Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Stingley becomes highest paid DB, Keon Coleman joins the show, Aaron Rodgers still making a decision

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Stingley becoming the highest paid DB in the NFL, Keon Coleman joins the show and discusses his rookie season! Myles Garrett also elaborates on why he staying in Cleveland and much more!06:14 - Show start08:46 - Stingley Signed to new deal31:27 - Keon Coleman joins53:00 - Myles Garrett on staying in Cleveland(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He was sitting courtside, Ocho. I don't know if you've seen the scene. We're not going to show it. He was taken out in a wheelchair. But I just want to say our thoughts and prayers here at Nightcap go out to Tracy Morgan and his family. Hopefully he's okay. I'm sure he was taken to a local hospital for a diagnosis and evaluation. But hopefully everything turns out. This is not the time to try to crack jokes or try to diagnose him because we're not professionals. And that's not what we do here. So I just want to say our thoughts and prayers.

I go out from Ocho and I and here at Nightcap that Tracy Morgan has a speedy recovery and everything is OK. But we're not going to show that scene. But we just want Tracy to get well soon. One of the great comedians of our generation. Ocho. Yeah. Here's something we will talk extensively about. The Texans made Derrick Stingley Jr.

Three years, 90 million. This deal makes him the highest paid DB. You was talking about this, Ocho. They got to that $30 million threshold. $30 million is a high mark for defensive back. Easily toppling the previous mark set by Carolina Panthers' J.C. Horn, who signed just a week ago for $25 million. David Muguleta.

Congrats, Dave. Athletes first. The deal is on behalf of Stingley. Ref, three of the highest paid cornerbacks and two of the highest paid safeties. The LSU team of 2019, Ocho. Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase,

Justin Jefferson, and Derrick Stingley Jr. have contracts totaling $600 million. It's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing. With an M, six on the mill. Yeah.

Hey, Derrick Stingley is worthy of that contract. He's worthy and he deserves every single penny. I'm not sure to the extent that people understand how good Derrick Stingley is. Listen, if I could right now, I would break it down in PowerPoint presentation so you get a better understanding on why he got the deal he did get. He's electric. Technique sound. Man-to-man. Off coverage. Rarely out of position. Ball skills. Elite. There's really no weakness in his game. In the run game,

he'd come up there and smack you too. Oh, yeah. Listen, when I talk about an all-around corner that does it all, he is much so deserving of this contract. Listen, at some point, people in the chat, if you listen, if you watch him, just watch Derek Stingley highlights from college,

even at LSU, and watch him even in NFL against some of the upper echelon receivers. And you'll understand why he got that money. He's the real deal. Obviously, he plays in Houston. He doesn't talk much, so he doesn't get the notoriety or the cameras always on him. But man, listen, he might

not talk, but he play a big game. He play talk. He ain't saying nothing. He play through all that talk. He play loud as hell. Can you imagine if he had personality to go with it on? Imagine if he had a personality like Deion or something like that. See, Ocho, see, Vegas, you want everybody to be like you and I, that can talk and still go out there and play.

Some people, they talk and get themselves out of their game. Right, right, right, right. You and I, we talk to get people out. That's what we grew up doing. Yes, sir. I was always the smallest, so I tried to talk somebody out their game. So it was natural for me to go out there and bull jive and say whatever. Because whether I said a little or a lot, not a lot, I still had to play.

Yeah, no matter what. So if I didn't say anything, so what? If I don't say anything, y'all going to go easy on me? No, F y'all. Yeah. All y'all. You too, punk. But he's good. David Muguleta, I know Dave very well.

He gets the deal done. Rocky Arsenault, I've been knowing Rock for a long time. He did Chase and T. Higgins. The first person I knew he had was Marshall Falk. So that's how I met him at the Pro Bowl one year over there with Marshall. He also did Zeke Elliott. He's a New

Orleans native. So that's how I know Rock. But David Muguleta gets the deal done. And he got it done. Athletes first. They do big things. They got a lot of clients over there. And I love when the brothers are doing things and guys shaping up with those guys. And so I appreciate

David and what he's been able to do. Congratulations on this deal. But Stingley, congratulations to you, bro. You earned this. I believe people earn what they deserve. Yes. He earned this with his play.

Yes. On the field has been exemplary. And this is what I love the most, Ojo. When guys don't have to look, bro, I've done it. You reward me because guess what? If I wasn't living up, you release me. So why I got to come to you and ask you about my money? Right, right, right, right, right.

And I don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear, well, you signed the contract. How many players do they cut with years left on their contract? That signed the contract. And y'all been sitting there sitting up, I know, oh, oh, he signed. No. So it needs to work both ways. I ain't got no problem.

I got no problem. If somebody underperforms and you want to move on, move on. But when they overperform, come on, man. Reward them. Break bread. Reward them. And matter of fact, listen, we talk about

Patrick Sertain II got his deal. J.C. Horn got his deal. Derek Sinley got his deal. Chad, y'all know who up next, right? Sauce. Sauce is up next. know who up next, right? Sauce. Sauce is up next. And Sauce talked about, he tweeted, if I'm not mistaken, about how come we as DBs aren't paid as well,

compensated as well as the defensive ends. You know, defensive ends are seen in a different light as far as game changes, being able to impact the game much more different than that of a corner. But when you think about it, there are some corners in today's game that could impact a game too by shutting down one side of the field.

Patrick Sertain is in that group. I think Derek Sweeney is one of those where teams have to be cautious and going at him depending on who the receiver is or who they are playing. And I think Sauce can also be in that group as well i think i think a lot a lot of people probably wouldn't agree people will argue about sauce and listen sauce is very good he had a down year he had a down year this year but the first two years were really good it's hard

don't you yeah it's hard if you're not technically sound, if you're not technically sound, they're going to try your ass. Hell yeah. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. But this is the thing. To me, you might not agree with me. Some of the people in the chat might not agree with me.

But as a receiver myself and a former DB, you know, I played both sides of the ball. I believe that the defensive back position is the hardest position to play in football. It is. Simply for the fact that you were doing everything at full speed, which is possible to do in reverse, going backwards with somebody, some of the elites, the Jamar Chases, the T. Higgins,

you know, the George Pickens, going at you full speed, the Tyreek Hills. I mean, come on, man. Mm-hmm. You know, so, I mean, that's, listen, I'm always a fan and enthusiastic when it comes to defensive backs and their play, especially when they get rewarded like this. No salute to Stingley. Sauce Garden, you up next, baby.

You got to reset the market. You're going to reset the market again. Let's go for 32. What you call him going to be? Hey, Trent McDuffie. I hate that McDuffie hadn't made a Pro Bowl or been an All-Pro because now you're talking about $13 million in his fifth-year option as opposed to $22, $23 million in a fifth-year option.

And so that's the thing that I really hate about it. But it's kind of like basketball. You're on one of the first three teams of All-NBA. You're a defensive player of the year. You're All-NBA selection. That increases the value. you're on one of the first three teams of all NBA, you're defensive player of the year, you're all NBA selection, that increases the value. But, man, so much is contingent on things that are outside of your control. Like the media votes on, you know, the all pro.

Fans and coaches and stuff vote because the players only have a third of the vote. Yeah. So it's tough tough and i really want these guys to get what they what they've earned and uh you know i think trent mcduffie is one of the better corners in the football league absolutely and i want and i want his play to be to indicate that right um but that's what happens you know quarterbacks ain't got to do that no that'd be quarter the quarterback be getting that money ain't been nowhere in their first team or second team or

10-team All-Pro. Yeah. And they get that money with no hesitation. Yeah. And listen, they will always treat the quarterback position that way. That's obviously the most valuable position on the field regardless who has and

touches the ball most of the time, it will always be that way. Especially when you got the special ones. How many years did Josh Allen still have on his contract? I think he had four. Man, listen, they don't play. They do not play when it comes to quarterbacks, especially the elite ones.

Oh, you're going to get your money. Yeah, and I like that. I ain't got no problem with that, Ocho. You know, I ain't going to never have no... He was a rookie season, second season once again, blah, blah, blah. Oh, Ocho, he was.

He was our first team all pro last year. Oh. McDuffie. Yeah. Oh, so he next, Ocho? Yeah, he gonna get Oh so he next Ocho Yeah he gonna get his bag After this season After this season They gonna come see you

They gotta come see me They gonna come see you Hey listen I want the knock on the door To be real loud too I want the knock on the door To be real loud Don't be

Don't be Don't be shamed Uh uh Ocho I want you to have me Have my check out of the door I don't want nobody to know Hey Hey One thing about it They gonna know Uh-uh, Ocho. I want you to have my check out of the door. I don't want nobody to know.

Hey, one thing about it, they're going to know. For sure. Yeah, that check coming from that entity, they're going to know. Yeah. And look, these guys are so good now, Ocho, and the money. I mean, you know what, Ocho? It slipped my mind because I have a thousand things going on. I wanted to call Prime. I wanted to call Ty today.

Hey, Ty, man, you see what's thinking the guy? Ty, well, how much did they have to pay you? Ooh. Ty, I already know what he's going to say. Man, they had to give me a part of the team. They would have had to do something. They had to give me a part of the team. Now you know Prime.

Yeah. That's different. That's the thing that I wish. And these guys are unbelievable. But I just wish, you know, sometimes I just wish we could transport those guys that you and I played in the era with. Right, right.

And so the people today can actually, not highlights, because highlights don't really do it. No, that don't do you no justice. That don't do you no justice um i tell it to you all the time you can hear the passion in my voice my voice start cracking when i talk about the randy mosses i talk about the tara lowens i talk about the marvin harrison the jimmy smiths what people don't understand watching highlights is one thing but i gotta take my shades off if you had the opportunity To see these people play in person Up close

You will understand As great as the receivers are today They cannot touch No disrespect No disrespect They can't touch them individuals Because you got to look at it It's different

The guys you're naming They're the three best of all time You just named Ross You named Moss Rice And, and T.O. Right now. Hey, being able to see it in person, man, you don't understand. Being able to see them boys up close in person, and as great as Jamar Chase is,

as great as Justice Jefferson is, we can go down the line. The Tyreek Hills and all of them, though, they was on a different stratosphere. It's different. It's like, I'm in the NFL with you, and I'm on the sideline like this in awe of watching Moss play, bro. You had to

watch him. I'm on the field watching T.O. I'm in awe. I'm like, golly, boy, I'm really sharing the same field with these boys. When we played Jerry Rice, he was in Oakland. I'm in awe. I'm like, golly, boy, I'm really sharing the same field with these boys. When we played Jerry Rice, he was in Oakland. I'm a legit. I got questions under my glove to add Jerry after the game.

Like, Chad, you can probably look that up. Chad, somebody look that up for me real quick. See if you can find it. I had the questions for Jerry Rice in my glove after the game i was i was young i'm like oh man i'm getting ready to share the field one of the greatest of all time this is these are the things i don't want to forget but i want to ask him oh i'm man man listen when i tell you i was a student of the game even though i acted a fool you think i was able able to talk trash on Wednesday and just go out there just off a whim without studying, without knowing my opponent?

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And you tell me who you think. Now, before you go and look and see who has the most touchdowns, who's the closest to Jerry, think about when Jerry played. Jerry didn't play where they throw the ball like they do now. They ran the football. So just think about that. But these guys are really good. Chase, man, Chase could have played in there in the era.

There are a lot of these guys. I think that's one of the compliments you can play. You can pay a guy. When you say, son, you could play it in the 80s. You could play it in the 90s. You could play it in the 70s. You could play it in the 60s. When you tell a guy he can do that.

Yeah. You see, that speaks volumes. But these guys, congratulations, guys. Everything that you get, that you worked hard for, that you put yourself in position to achieve, congratulations. Ronnie Staley says he's very happy to give the Ravens a bargain on the deal. Ronnie Staley, who

is considered the top available offensive tackle this offseason, chose to resign with the Ravens for a team-friendly three-year $60 million deal on March 8th instead of testing for agency. Staley says Staley's decision, as he explained, came down to loyalty. I knew I was going to give Baltimore the best bargain that I would offer any other team.

But that being said, I still wanted to be happy with what I'm making and make sure I'm getting the value that I feel like I deserve. I think it was a good balance to help the team and something I'm still happy with. Ocho, at one point in time, he was the highest paid. Yeah. And, you know, injuries. And he took a pay cut. Yeah.

They cut his salary down. Yeah. And when he had an opportunity to hit them over the head with the hammer. He hit him. A little bit. But guys, now think about it, Ocho. Yeah. He stayed for three years, $20 million.

Yeah. You know you go in the free agent market, they're going to overpay. Oh, every time. Now they're going to give you, they might give you five years, $25 million. Yes, sir. But he said, you know what? I'm comfortable. Yeah.

A la Josh Allen. Mm-hmm. What can I do with $60 million that I need $80 million to do? Considering. Yeah. I'd already got this big deal because at the end of the day ocho i want the guy to do what's in the best interest of him right he's like i a i was a first round draft pick got money they gave me a contract extension and they believed in me because when i was going through that i missed the better part of a year and a half almost two years years, they stuck with me. They stuck by him. So, listen, that

happens very seldom, too, huh? That happens very seldom. You know how they treat you once you get injured. You understand how they treat you once you get injured. Now, when they take care of you the way they took care of him with great understanding, then mentally, subconsciously, you know if an opportunity like this

presents itself and they're willing to pay you, that loyalty comes into play because you never forget that. No. You never forget that, what they did for you, when they don't have to treat you like that because any other team you hurt, ah, you know, they put you out there. The Ravens are good about that though, Ocho. Yeah, they put you out there by the pasture.

You know what happens when they put you out to the pasture. I can't speak to how everybody else do it. You know, we see things, Ocho. But I was fortunate enough to play for two teams. Very great team. Great ownership.

I played for Mr. B in Denver. He was great. Had a different type of relationship with him than most players have with their owners. Right. Got into a situation

where I needed some help with something. Yes, sir. He said, he gave me needed some help with something. Yes, sir. He said, he gave me his personal attorney's info. Yes, sir. I called him.

I called him. Name was Rich Slifka. As a matter of fact, Mr. Bowling left him and Joe Ellison in charge of his estate. I just go to show you what he thought of Rich.

Yeah, yeah. Pat told me that I was expecting your call. Tell me what's going on. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, call. Tell me what's going on. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Got me my money back. There it is. And then I played, go to Baltimore, played for Art Modell.

And I know a lot of people, Cleveland, they still mad at Art, so forth and so on. But he was great. He was great to his players. He really was a great man, and I miss him. Unfortunately, he didn't get an opportunity to see me go into the hall, but everybody knows I have the utmost respect and profound respect for Mr. Modell. He hated calling him Art. He said Art was his father or grandfather.

I mean, Mr. Modell called him Art, and that's how we referred to him Art. He said Art was his father or grandfather. I mean, Mr. Modell called him Art. And that's how we referred to him as. But it was great. It's great to see teams reward their players. Because a lot of times, players are more loyal to teams than teams are loyal to players. And it's nice

to see a player's loyalty rewarded or reciprocated by said team. But remember what you said now. The loyalty was shown to the player first. Therefore, it was easy for the player to reciprocate that back to the team. Now, what I would love to do is I would love for fans to have that same type of loyalty to the players as opposed to their team and wanting what's in the best interest of the

players as opposed to their team and wanting what's in the best interest of the players as opposed to their team first. Fans haven't been able to separate the two. It's all my team, my team, my team, my team and always leaving the players. And they raise the price, raise the price, raise the price,

raise the price every year. And then y'all wonder why the players they want more money. Because they see y'all wonder why the players, and the players wonder why the players, they want more money. Right. Because they see y'all paying more money to the Harlem. Yeah. Yeah. So anytime I see a situation like that,

Ocho. We ready, Ash? Okay. We out. And so anytime you see a situation like that, Ocho, I love it.

I love, I'm big on loyalty. Yes, sir. I, Ochoa, I love it. I love, I'm big on loyalty. Yes, sir. I'm big on that. I give it. I also want to reciprocate it. If I can do something to help you, I will. Now, I don't do things, like for the most part, but I do stuff, Ochoa.

I'm not really expecting anything in return back. Right, right. That's why I only give the amount of money that I can say, you what i can i can i can go i can go without this i can eat this yeah i can eat this now if you come to me i come to you i say ultra bro check this out bro yes sir man i need like i need 50 wait what wait say it again say it again i knowcho, I need 50. 50 what? 50 bands. Oh, yo, you good? You good? I can get that to you.

Now, my thing is, Ocho, if you come to me and ask for it, you shouldn't have to come back to me and ask for me back. I need you to be mad enough like you brought your ass to me. Right. All humble. Hey, Ocho, let me ask you. You should expect me to come back. Hey, Ocho, let me ask you, you should expect me to come back, hey, Ocho, I got your bread, bro. I brought

that back. I got to trace you down about my money. Let me tell you what you'll never hear. You didn't know. You didn't know money had a smell, did you, Ocho? But you asked for your money back. Oh, you want that old funky $100 bill back? Yeah, I want my funky ass money back. It wasn't

funky when you bought it. That's how you be treating me by funky hundred dollar bill back? Yeah, I want my funky ass money back. It wasn't funky when you bought it. Hey. Hey. That's how you be, that's how you be treating, that's how you be treating me by that little $5,200, that little $5,200.

See? Hey. You be, you be acting funny by that little $5,200, huh? You know? See,

that's what I'm saying though. But guess what? If I owe you, you be running that cash in the ground every time. I honestly nothing. But guess what? If I owe you, you be running that cash in the ground every time. Nah, honestly, I'll tell you what.

I'll tell you what. Honestly, if you owe me $5,200, I'm going to let you slide for the simple fact I know if I ever needed it, I know you got it, so I don't even want it right now.

I don't even want it. I wouldn't even want it right now. I won't buy it right now. You hold on to that. I got you. I got you. I mean, I could do something

with that. What? What you going to do with $5,200? you I mean I could I could do something with that What? What you gonna do with 5200? Think about it What you gonna do with that? Give it to me Give it to me And I'll tell you later

I don't wanna tell you I don't wanna tell you right now Give it to me Give it to me And I'll tell you Hey Ocho You know that 5200 you own with me? Let me tell you what I did with it

That's what I'm gonna do I me tell you what I did with it. That's what I'm going to do. I don't know what I'm going to do right now. I got you. I got you. I told you last night. I told you last night. I've been treating myself this year.

I decided, you know. Why you ain't treat me? Huh? Why you ain't treat me? No, I'm just saying you're not in the fashion the way I'm in the fashion. 2025 is the year. I can't get into it because I'm 5200 show. I can't get into it. I want to get into fashion.

I want to get some red bucket jeans too. Alright, Ocho, joining us now Bill Zoom. Had some injuries this year as a rookie, but hey, still had a strong rookie campaign. Let's welcome Buffalo Bills rookie Keon Coleman. Keon, what it do?

How y'all doing? Keon, what's up, boy? Where you at, baby? Well, Zane, I'm in Texas right now. Oh, man, listen, I'm going to be there tomorrow, man. We're going to slide to whatchamacallit. To what? Wait, you in Dallas or Houston?

I'm in Houston. Boy, hey. Boy, you in Houston? Boy, what you doing out there? You good? You're not married, are you? Nah, nah. Okay, you good.

You good. You good. You going to put some pictures on the wall anytime soon? Yeah, this is just a room, man. This is just a room. This is an office space. Okay. I mean, you know they hang pictures on the office.

In the office. Not yet. I need some more pictures of like the other areas on, you know, some crazy. Okay. You come out, obviously, you know, second round draft pick. Your rookie season. What can you take from this season and how do you build on that going into season number two?

Really just stay hungry. I think that's really the thing I came with, you know, come out of the season with, stay hungry. Unfortunate injuries and stuff like that, so just continue to take care of your body. And then, you know, the on the field stuff, you know, just continue to be where you're supposed to be at. And, you know,

the play's gonna happen. You know, the playmakers gonna make the plays, you know, just continue to be where you're supposed to be at. And, you know, the play is going to happen. You know, the playmakers are going to make the plays, you know. So all that's going to fall in line. Just continue to work harder. Yeah.

Hey, listen, you had a good rookie season, 29 catches, 556 yards, four TDs. It was a good showing. How's your confidence going in year two?

And what do you think the difference is from playing in college and the transition into the NFL? Well, the difficult, most of the time for players is the learning curve. Normally, you don't arrive, as we call it, to year three. What do you think you need to improve on going into year two? So the game slows down for you. When the game slows down for you, that's when you know you arrived.

So for one, the confidence. Confidence you, that's when you know you arrived. For one, the confidence. Confidence is always on the 100. Got to be. Standing at 1,000 at this point, so I'm really confident going into the next season. My connection with Josh and all that, let's continue to turn in the right direction. Confidence is real high. I've been getting after

this offseason training and stuff, but the biggest difference, college to the NFL, just got to be more technically sound, bro. Everybody's, you know, that much better. And what makes it even worse, the D-line, that much faster. So that's all it is. They get back there faster, the ball going to come out faster.

Understanding you're not always playing against a guy across from you. You're really playing a guy that's got that head start on calling the defense a play. So you're really playing against the D.C. So understanding their tendencies and what they like to do, what they like to take away from certain guys, that's really, you know, who you really be going against. So once you master that, then, you know, you'll be all right. I like that.

I like that. Keyon, there was a report that came out that some team, I mean, you don't have to name the team if you don't want to, got upset with you from eating fruit snacks in the meeting. Can you elaborate what was said and what made you feel like they got upset with you for eating fruit snacks? I mean, the fact that they even mentioned it, it was like, you know, because it was a certain look, man. You know that look when you're in the meeting room with some of those people. And it's just one of those looks and then

after they was like, well, I think they stopped at me and was like, you know, please, you know, just wait until afterwards to eat this nice. I'm like, I ain't really tripping. You could have waited until after to say that. You didn't have to interrupt the meeting for that, do you feel me? But I'm like, cool. You know how you get all them

formal meetings at the con. I had like 15 of them in one day. This was like number 15. It was all great business, but I was hungry, bro. I ain't going to name the team. It ain't that serious. Right. You went viral for a lot of your comments that you made during the draft process at the combine.

Were you surprised by how much attention your answers or the questions that were being asked? Are you surprised at how viral those moments went? I mean, with social media nowadays, bro, everybody kind of just looking for a clip or something that's just different. And it's rare guys just be themselves, you know, in those type of situations. They're more tense or, you know, get a robot answer. I'm just me, bro. Stuff is just going to be said. It's just, I'm going to be myself 100% of the time.

And, you know, I mean, they did blow up, but I mean, I couldn't say I didn't expect it. It kind of just happened. No, it ain't like I was planning for it. It just kind of was conversation here and there. And I give you my response and what I think I should say. And you just go from there. I think that's what, that's why so many fans, including myself, I talked about it too, about some of the things that you say,

the way you carry yourself. You're authentic. You're organic. You're not politically correct. You're not a robot, which most of the time the NFL wants you to be. Obviously, you understand there's a fine line you don't want to cross, but you're able to be yourself. And what makes it good for you, why I know you're going to be a superstar, because when you have that organic mentality and you're authentic the way you are and real and a lot of people can relate to you and you can play on the field as well that takes

you to a whole different level so you got that it factor that you can't even teach so you were ahead of the curve anyway so my next my next thing I want to ask you is how do you approach how did you approach learning the playbook as a rookie? Because I'm thinking about my rookie year when I got to Cincinnati.

Boy, I struggled, boy. I struggled, and I really couldn't touch the field the way I wanted to. How did that go for you, your rookie year? I mean, it wasn't,

it wasn't like, it wasn't, I wouldn't say it was hard for real. Right. The plays, the playbook, the formations,

none of that really was hard it made even more sense from the college playbook you know I played in a pro style system at Michigan State they got the Florida State it was a number system

so just the combination of both and putting myself to the task and if I got the Florida State to learn it that fast it helped because I got two different systems to combine and learn as one system

so it was it was pretty small okay okay uh yeah it wasn't that simple for me Keon I ain't different systems to combine and learn as one system. So it was pretty small. Okay, okay. Yeah, it wasn't that simple for me, Keon. I ain't going to lie to you. Because the number system, like most people learn the number system, 2, 4, 6, 8 is to your right. 1, 3, 5 is to the left.

Well, Tom Landry, it was a defensive coordinator. So when he got to be a head coach and he started calling plays, it was reversed. So 1-3-5 is to your right. 2-4-6-8 is to your left. So I hear something with an even number. I'm all-in to the right. I got this one.

Hey, Sean, where you going? 2-4-6-8 is to the right. Ah, damn. So I stayed, uh, uh, uh, yeah, it was tough,

but I'm glad you were able to pick up because the, as Ocho said earlier, the quicker you can pick it up, the quicker you can let your ability take over and you're not thinking. Oh yeah. And you're like, damn, am I running the right route?

And you go, cause you want to, like you said, everything is sped up. Yeah. And you hesitate. You beat in this league because everybody's good. Yeah.

Yeah. Let me ask you this. How did you get used to playing into the cold? Because, look, you got cold in Michigan, but Buffalo is a different animal. I mean, it's just three feet, four feet of snow on you overnight. I mean, once it's below like 32, below freezing

technically, cold and cold, right? You just gotta, you gotta, you know, you got the whole routine. It's a mental thing then.

Yeah, like, you should be more excited for the game than you is to think about the cold. Because it'd be cold all week anyways yeah yeah the game come you know you might not always practice in the cold but it's like

but you can make it a few hours in the cold like this is just your profession like but if you go you go through a little routine my best advice i'll take a shower before even hot games but you can cold games take you a shower If you're a Vaseline guy, Vaseline that body down, close them pores. If you're a Tiger Ball guy, whatever you use, use that. Once you hop out that shower, them pores open. Use that Vaseline, get right, get your feet, get your hands and your feet

that the main two things. Get cold, it's a wrap. It's a wrap. Gotta keep them toes warm. The toes And your fingertips Let them two get cold Them fingers get cold Y'all be catching like this

You be trying to Fit it to your body Yeah And the shoulder pads Already brick Like it's cold as a bro Yeah You gotta hold that baby

You gotta hold that baby You gotta hold that baby Keyon You'll figure it out But the cold really fun though Cause nobody on the Digital side really be trying to hit, because they're everywhere. But they just trying to push you out of bounds and stuff,

so you catch it, you just be off to the races. Yeah. Hey, listen, I know you're not a scout. I know you're not a GM. I know you're not in the front office. You were a rookie last year, but based on how well you guys played offensively, obviously having Josh Allen,

and you know your defense, if you were a GM, if you were in the Bills front office, in the war room draft day, what do you think your team needs to improve if any area needs improving? I think there's always room for improvement, though. Yeah, always.

We did deal with quite a bit of injuries. You know, but on the defensive side of the ball, I'll go D-line and corner and probably look for another guy at safety

that can play that higher bit safety position. Right. So up and down, in the box and... Yeah. Okay, okay. I'll go D-line.

Anywhere on that D-line, I'll go one or two D-linemen. Give me a corner. Actually, I get two corners. You always need depth back there. Right, right, right. So I'll give me two corners. And then I'm going to give me another receiver

that can play different positions like that. What do you think? I saw reports, and it might be possible. I'm not sure if it's true or not. But maybe Stephon Diggs reuniting, coming back to Buffalo? I don't know. My ear don't be in that door. I don't know if you know anything about that.

When he come back, I'll be happy to have him. There's another guy in the room to learn from. Listen, for me, from the outside looking in, add another weapon like Stephon that knows the offense, that knows Josh Allen, most of the pressure

wouldn't be on him just being there to contribute in a way, obviously being a veteran presence, you know, for some of the young guys, I think it would be a good look, you know, for you guys. So, hell, I mean,

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You got this guy. There's an expectation to win. There's not a hope. You don't hope to win sometimes you have quarterbacks man if the defense can hold them to 17 if we can get a couple of big play commit uh create turnovers in special teams we can win you go out there every week with 17 as your quarterback expecting to win what is it meant like playing and having 17 calling plays in the huddle? I mean, it's real fun. You know,

we have a lot of fun even throughout the game. We be joking around. You know, it's a place where we all can be loose and still be professional and get our job done.

But with him back there, bro, it's like, it's a blessing. I say it's a blessing to be able to be blessed with a quarterback of that talent. As a rookie,

as a younger guy, most guys come in and be great, but struggle because the quarterback is not up to par. But my quarterback demands greatness, and he demands you to be where you need to be, and that ball will come on time. Even if you ain't expecting it, it's still there.

It's always going to be a catchable ball. It's not easy playing with a guy like that because you have to stay active. You might think he's going to be on one side and like, damn, how you get way over there and your ball coming out? It's like, it's like. You ain't got time to say damn. Run. Take off. Take off.

Hey, when you hear the crowd go, ah, you start looking. Find it. You got to take off. You better come on the other side to feel me on that rock. That got to be an awesome feeling, being able to play with somebody that's elite, one of the best in the game. Listen, probably top three,

top four in the NFL that can extend plays and play off script. So regardless of when the play breaks down, you still know you have an opportunity to get a ball. That has to be a great thing.

I got one question that really has nothing to do with football. I think, if I'm not mistaken, Buffalo is known for its wings, yes? Yeah, they got some problems with football. I think if I'm not mistaken, Buffalo is known for its wings, yes? Yeah, they got some probably wingspots out there.

So if there was a wing spot, I know you've only been there a year, if there was a wing spot and you had to choose where to go to

get wings, where would you go? Barbell? Oh, they got this place called, it's Love, something, I don't know the name of it, I just know where it's at called it's Love something I don't know

I don't know the name of it I just know where it's at it's downtown in Buffalo but either there or Barbelle I need them to add that honey lemon pepper and that hot lemon pepper I need both of those flavors

on all the menus okay that's the only flavor they missing for me hot lemon pepper and honey lemon purple. I need both of those. So they ain't got no Wingstop out there in Buffalo, huh?

Nah. We ain't got that. Okay. I don't think so. I ain't seeing one. Well, you ride across the bridge from Toronto. You travel across the bridge? That ain't right across the bridge.

That's an hour and a half, man. Man, Toronto ain't no hour and a half. Man, how you going to tell bridge. That's an hour and a half, man. Man, Toronto ain't no hour and a half. Man, how you gonna tell me? It's an hour and a half? Because when I came to Buffalo, I went across the bridge. And you heard him? What'd you say, Art? What'd you say, Kia?

That traffic ridiculous. As soon as you cross the border and you get down to Toronto, traffic ridiculous. Oh, that ain't no change. Because when we went across there, it wasn't no hour. Because, you know, we land. Hey, drop the bag.

Where y'all was staying at, dude? Where y'all was staying at? Y'all was in the city of Buffalo? No. Where y'all was staying at? I don't think so. Because, man. Y'all had to be.

Bro, we was like a 20-minute cab ride. From what? From Toronto. No, you must be talking about from the border. Once you cross the border, that ain't Toronto. You gotta drive to Toronto. Hey, I don't know, but they tell us we was in Toronto, so I took their word for it. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Kion.

I'm trying to figure out, if you flew in for a game, y'all playing the Bills, what you were doing in Toronto? What's in Toronto? Oh, my on, Keon. I'm trying to figure out, if you flew in for a game, y'all playing the Bills, what you were doing in Toronto? What's in Toronto? Oh, my bad, my bad. My bad. Hey, my bad. Long said it.

What we got going on over there? Hey, my bad, my bad. Hey, that was a long time ago. I don't remember. I know. What's the name of the spot you went to? I don't remember. Yeah, you remember.

You remember? I might need to go there. You can't hold on. That was before you were born, Key. I can't even remember that, Key. I ain't going to watch it. I ain't going to hold you. You just remember going there.

You don't remember the sign. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything was a blur. Mm. Mm. Mm. But let me ask you this. You're Seminoles.

So are you more Florida State or are you more Michigan State? Because your Seminoles fell on hard times this year, Key. Man, I can't even answer that question.

I mean, I spent more years at Michigan State than I did at Florida State. But Florida State was a real iconic seven,

eight months that I was there. So, I'm both. But Michigan State, you know, got a whole new culture style come from the West Coast. So, it's a different program than that I was there. So I'm both. But Michigan State, you know, got a whole new coach that I've come from the West Coast. So it's a different program than when I was there. But, you know, some of my same guys still there

in the weight room and stuff like that. So I'm both sides. I'll be watching somewhat. But, you know, most of the guys that I was like, my younger guys when I was there at different schools, so I was like a different team split. Right. Okay.

You still thinking, you still thinking, you still like, you supporting them? Yeah, I support players more because teams change. Yes. Coach,

all that change. I mean, that's like my favorite player was Kobe. If Kobe would have ever left, we'd get deleted, you know? So that's just me.

I root for my young guys that was under me and that I played with. And, you know, I got a guy in Alabama that I watch, watch Bama games. Now, a guy in Alabama that I watch Bama games. Now, I ain't never really watched no Bama games.

But he there, and he got different guys in different areas. I watch their games to support them. Right. Hey, you, sometimes you wear two mouthpieces, right? Yeah. I know I'm not tripping. What's that about? What does that come from? Is that from Little League? Is that something you've always done? I remember seeing you do it in Florida State.

If I'm not mistaken, I think you did in the league too, right? I did a few games, but man, by the time I'd be forgetting, I don't even wear

my hoodies in the game. You feel me? So I just have them. And if I didn't put them on there before the game, then they probably wouldn't ever be a problem. But at Florida State,

I used to wear the Apple Watch with the, whatever Apple Watch band, they used to send me the bad colors. Right. A team, and I just had to wear it.

Like, I just had to be trolling wearing these team colors. It was like, it was fine at first when I did it. Now, everybody's just throwing like random colors.

It don't hit the scene. Okay, okay, okay. When it's all close to team colors, it looks fine. Okay. I got you. I got you.

Are you a talker? Do you talk trash during the game? Do you like, hey, bro, you about to find yourself on the waiver while tomorrow is trying to deal with me. I got you. Are you a talker? Do you talk trash during the game? Do you like, hey, bro, hey, hey. You about to find yourself on the waiver while DeMar is trying to deal with me. Nah, I'll be chilling, bro.

But if they say something to me, then it's zero to a minute quick. I come there to do my job. I'm like, whoo, whoo, whoo. But the moment you say something, it could be something nice. I don't want to hear it. Just don't talk to me. Right, right, right. So you have me say something, then I'm on 10. Like, all right. Now it to me. Right, right, right. So you have three stuff, then I'm on ten.

Like, I don't know. Did you have any issues with any DBs this year that really talked trash to you? Or was everybody kind of straight? Nah, only,

only, uh, Willard, only person said so. And we can't hide our hand it, but, I mean, shit, that was the only person

that really told me something all year. Okay, okay, okay okay okay okay Keon man thanks for joining us tonight bro we really appreciate it continue your success

hey build on that rookie season you got your sophomore season your quarterback's back in the fold it's time to take that next step bro

it's time to be hey when we talk about these top receivers it's time to make sure Uncle Ocho have your name in that discussion yes sir I will be

trust him alright alright congratulations on your rookie season we'll see you down the road have your name in that discussion. Yes, sir. I will be. Trust me. All right. All right. Congratulations on your rookie season. We'll see you down the road, man. Take care. Appreciate it. Hey, if you need a DB for some one-on-ones, let me know.

I'll lock you up. Oh, my God. Bring your cleats and bring 10,000. Wait. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Bring my cleats and what? Bring 10 racks. We ain't going to run it for free.

Oh, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what you do. You might as well wire that 10 to me. Because if you ain't never seen my DB, if you ain't seen my DB skills, you ain't catching nothing. And make sure Josh Allen there. Because I don't want no excuse

to say I ain't have my quarterback. My sister could throw him on V-Day open. It don't matter who back there. Get open on who? You. You, man, boy, you done bumped your head. Boy, I'm a child of God. You come out here soon, right? Huh?

What size you are? I wear 11. All right, I got some cleats for you. I'll bring you your own cleats. All right. You training in Houston? I'll be everywhere, wherever you need me to be. You know what? I'll come down. I don't want to get no excuses. I'm not coming down there. You got to come see me in Texas, bro. I come to Texas. Who's the down. I don't want to get no excuses. I'm not coming down there. You got to come see me in Texas, bro.

I come to Texas. Who's the quarterback? I don't want no excuses. It don't matter. All right. A blind man can throw it. I'm that open. Okay.

Okay. All right. Say less. I'm going to see you in a minute. All right. Yo. All right, bro. Congratulations again.

See you down the road, bro. Appreciate it. Keion Colvin, Buffalo Bills wide receiver, rookie wide receiver, going into his sophomore season. We're expecting great things from him coming the upcoming season. Ocho, Miles Garrett explained his change of heart. He had a John Q moment, a change of heart, and explained why he's staying in Cleveland.

I think I had some frustration, and I feel like that helped us grow and have a conversation where difficult, difficult, but needed to be had that created a little more discourse, help build some relationships and reaffirm them. Now I feel like we're in a better place. Now we can have, we can move on and grow from there.

Despite Garrett's explanation, the perception surrounding his decision to stay remains. He was prioritizing money over winning. And NFL Network Kyle Brandt said Garrett should have been more straightforward about role money played instead with the Browns. It was about money, and the money said we want to win, and we want to do it now. Eli, I ain't got no problem with that. I have no problem, Ocho, with him getting that kind of money.

But he know, how you going to win now you ain't got no quarterback? You're in the same position. The only difference that Miles Garrett is in now is that he got $123 million guaranteed, $100 million over the first three years. That is the only thing that has changed. Nothing has changed towards him winning. Who are they going to win with, Ocho? I have a question.

Yes. You know, you understand, you know why you wanted to leave. You understand why you wanted to leave. You understood also when you asked to talk to management, they told you we're not talking. We don't want to talk to you and we're not training you. No, the owner didn't want to have the conversation. He said talk to Andrew Barry,

who's the general manager who's running it. He wasn't finna have no conversation either because you know what we finna do? We know how to get you to want to be here. We're going to pay you. We're going to pay you. He had no more guaranteed money. All the guaranteed money that he had signed that big contract

that made him the highest paid defender at one point in time was gone. Now, instead of pretending like I'm looking greedy and asking for a contract, you know what? I want to win. I ain't got no pouch on. Look, and I don't want anybody to take this the wrong way. I really don't have a problem with that. Right.

But everybody that's looking at this objectively and realistically knows that Miles Garrett is in no better situation today. The only better situation is financially. He's in no better situation. They're not even close to the winnings. Also, you got to think about it. Him wanting to trade and saying, I don't want to be here,

they wouldn't let him go anywhere. They wouldn't let him go. So, I mean, you stuck between a rock and a hard place because they already said, we not trained you. Ocho, he knew it. Listen, even when they want to trade,

when players want to get traded, sometimes they'll come to him and offer money. Hey, and guess what? Carson Palmer. Carson Palmer really wanted to be out of there since they couldn't offer him enough money, could they, Ocho?

Now, he refused to come. Remember, he said it at home. That's when you want to get up out of there. Since they couldn't offer him enough money, couldn't they, Ocho? No, he refused to come. Maybe he said it alone. That's when you want to get up out of there. Right. Yeah. Miles, it was always about money. Miles wanted more guaranteed money. Miles wanted to be the highest paid defender.

I got no problem whatsoever. But I want people to objectively say, you tell me that Myles Garrett is in a better situation and is in a situation that's more conducive to winning today than he was a month ago. Right. No. I mean, we all understand that. We all understand that. But also, management doesn't want to lose that centerpiece of that defense. Management doesn't want to lose the identity to that defense.

That defense, it was good. It was good. I'm not sure what the numbers were last night, but if you look at them across the board, they are good. Denzel Ward, Miles Garrett, along with the rest of the supporting pads. They can be as good as they want to. If your offense ain't no good, you ain't going nowhere. What are they going to do with the quarterback position?

We will find out. Listen, we'll find out. Listen, we'll find out in April. We're going to find out. We're going to find out in April. You bring somebody young. You get a veteran presence in there to probably start this year. They at least give you a chance.

Maybe Kirk Cousins. I'm not sure what's going to happen. You know? So, I'm, listen, I'm just excited for every goddamn body. People getting their money. I just. I ain't got no problem with that money. Yeah, I don just excited for every goddamn body. People getting their money. I ain't got no problem with that money. Yeah, I don't. I don't.

But my thing is, now, unless you get one of these rookies and he's like Jaden Daniels, you're really not going. Now, look, it was reported that Russell Wilson was scheduled to visit. I saw it last week, so I don't know if that visit happened. Thursday, right? He was going to the Giants first. Oh, it was last week. I think so.

Chad, y'all can correct Ochoa and I if we're wrong, but I think I read it last week that he was supposed to have a visit to Cleveland and the Giants, and I don't know which day each visit was scheduled, but that's what I read. Now, the situation, it's also being reported, I don't know if there's any truth to this, that in the process of getting his money, he wanted him to work something out with Nick Chubb. Right. I don't know.

You know, you read, I read. I don't know what's true. All I'm just saying is what I read. And I hate that I brought that up because that was in the paper, and we don't really know if that's true. And if it is, that was a very noble and honorable thing to do. One of the guys that's been there as long as you had...

I think he came... I think he came a year before... No, he came a year after because I think he came with Baker. I think Chubb was the second round pick with Baker Mayfield. I'm almost sure of that. But he's been one of the leaders in the locker room.

He's been one of the leaders in the locker room. He's been one of the leaders in the locker room. And Miles felt that he wanted it. If they're going to win, I want Chubb to be a part of it. Yeah. I like it. I like it. Chubb coming off of his second year at the ACL tier. I'm sure he's going to have a better season this year.

If we can get Chubb back to the Chubb we're used to seeing, regardless of who's at the quarterback position, I think that makes things a little easier for them in that area, simply because to me it's almost a comparison. I'm not saying Derrick Henry, but he ain't too goddamn far off. If you watch Nick Chubb play over the years. He ain't that far off. You know what, Ocho?

I just don't know. That was a serious injury that he's coming back from. Yeah, man. And he had an injury in college. the determination, I just hope he can get some resemblance of being the back that he once was.

Yes, yes. Most times, we don't see power backs. We don't see power backs. It's been very few power backs have the longevity of Adrian Peterson, of Derrick Henry. We're talking about not contact, collision

backs. Run to collision. They'll run you over. I mean, they're not really trying to run nobody. They're trying to punish you and make you turn it down because that tackle that you make in the first and second quarter, you're going to be a little bit more apprehensive in the third and the fourth quarter. And if you notice, as the game progresses, those guys get stronger. Yeah.

Yeah. Bro, you ain't got to run on me but one time with a bus. I'm going to dodge that bus the next time I see that mofo coming. Every time. Every time. I've never seen a running back. There have been many of them. I've never seen a running back run as violently as all day.

Adrian Peterson. I ain't never seen Adrian Peterson. Mary Ann Barber didn't have the same type of success or acceleration or, or I'm trying to have the longevity, the longevity, but something about Adrian Peterson, he played. What did they do wrong to you for you to run the ball like that? Angry. What did they do wrong to you for you to run the ball like that? Angry.

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Be small, red like that. that oh my goodness and b-boy played beast mode had a long beast mode had a long career yeah he had it but if you go back and look at the guy that i that comes to the top of my head i don't know how many people in the chat old enough to remember was earl campbell earl was like that but earl only lasted like seven eight, and I don't know if y'all have seen Earl. Earl has been in a wheelchair for the last 20, 25 years. For real? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So now Earl has done great off the field. He got a meatpacking, hot links, and stuff like that.

Stuff like that. So he's done really well. But Earl ran to contact. He was a collision back, not a contact, because contact and collision are two different things. And normally those guys that run to have collisions, they don't have a longevity. Adrian Peterson played, what, 12, 13 years.

You see D. Henry play the number of years he's played. I mean, he went for 2,000. He was on a pace to have another 2,000 yards. He got hurt at rushing for about 1,100 with eight games to go. Oh, yeah. So he was on pace to get another. Had a knee injury. Bounces back from that. Go get 1,500.

Comes to the Ravens. Goes to get 1,900. That's crazy. I've never seen anything like Derrick Henry. I can honestly say I've never seen anything like Derrick Henry. I can honestly say I've never seen anything like Derrick Henry. A guy runs like that, that goes over 2,000, and then comes within 80 yards from having 2,000 again? Right. That's crazy.

It absolutely is. Crazy. But hopefully Chubb can get some of what he lost don't show from that injury because you know every time what yo the injuries they take a little bit out of you every time it does take a little bit out of you every time yeah yeah it does but listen i'm even even even as a bengal fan i would love i would love the the the browns at full strength and whatever they do make, whether it be in offseason acquisitions, whether it be through the draft, I would love them at full strength when they do play my Bengals.

So there are no excuses about, oh, we didn't have a quarterback or our running back was hurt. I want to make sure Miles Garrett is there when we put up 50 points. I want them at full strength. I'm sure we have people in the chat that are Browns fans. I love you. I love you dearly. I want them at full strength. I'm sure we have people in the chat that are Browns fans. I love you. I love you dearly. I love you dearly. But come this season, we know who's

running the AFC North. I know we have Ravens fans. Who? Ravens. I know we have Ravens fans in the chat. And you know how I feel about you. And I tell you this, I've been telling you this since 2001. I love every last one of you. Huh know how I feel about you. And I tell you this, I've been telling you this since 2001. I love every last one of you.

Huh? Every last one of you. Oh, Joe, y'all ain't won but a handful of games. Damn. Let me finish my speech. We know this year, 2025, the AFC North

is coming through the 5-1-3. Now, if you need me to come sit with y'all at M&T Bank, what's it called, M&T Bank? Yeah. Yeah. What's the area code of Raven? 443?

I don't know. Chat, anybody from BMO in the chat? What is it, 443? I know we got Raven fans in the chat. Definitely. Definitely. I love every last one. But y'all don't run, man, look, first of all, we already know Cincinnati don't run nothing but they rock, my. Hold on. Y. I love every last one. First of all, we already know Cincinnati don't run nothing but they rock, Miles. Y'all don't run nothing.

Ain't nothing coming through no Cincinnati. Stop that. One thing that you can learn about my organization that you can see that we proved we've done something historical that we've never done before that was out of character. 14. You're right. 14. 14. What's that. 14. 14.

What's that? Baltimore. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, it is 443.

I remember. Yeah. I used to have a, I ain't never had no Ravens. I think I had a landline. I did have a landline. That was 20 years. Man, hold on. First of all, Ocho, you make me say I had a landline yesterday.

That was 20 years ago when I was in Baltimore. But the way you said it, like it was yesterday. So you don't have a landline in your house right now? No. Why not? Who going to call me on the landline? People call you on your cell phone. I was just asking. I was just asking.

When was the last time you seen the pay phone? Let me tell you what I did. Y'all remember this right here? Hey, hey. I can't see it. That's a no-key. B and O. That's a no-key. That ain't no B.

That ain't no key. That's B and O. A who? Hello? Yeah. Yeah. Baby. Yeah, yeah.

Come on. Coming. Tall, big booty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. Yeah. I saw her. I saw her. She got like two kids.

Not bad. Yeah. She still look good. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-uh. Hey, hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Let me call you back. This is my brother calling. Let me call you back. Hey, Joe, let me get that right there. Hey, that's... Hey. Hey, that just had a conversation been going too, huh? Yeah. Oh, Joe, let me get that right there. Hey, that just had a conversation be going, too, huh? Yeah.

Look what I did. Look at that right here. Look at that right here. Who that again, Joe? That's us? Who that again, Joe? That's us? Yeah, that's y'all.

And guess what? In the end zone, I win. What? What number is that, I win. What? What number is that? What number is that? That Bengal jersey? I don't know. We call it rerun.

You remember how rerun was chasing that truck on What's Happening? Right. That's him. That's him. That's my rookie, ain't it? I don't think you were there yet, Ocho. Okay. October 7, 2001.

That is you. That's your rookie year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was there. I'm trying. I wonder what Darnay and P-Dub did that game. Nothing. Nothing.

Not a damn thing. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. I know. I don't know about that. I know nothing. They didn't do nothing. Who won the game?

I lost one game in 14 years to the Bengals. Did I score? I don't think so. Y'all beat, y'all beat. When we came to y'all, y'all beat us. I think y'all beat us by like three points. Yeah, that was me. That was me.

That was me. Hey. No, that wasn't you That was me. That was me. Hey. No, that wasn't you. That wasn't you. No. But, no, I look. I don't want people to think I got a problem. I don't got no problem with Miles Garrett.

I just think the thing was that was his play all along. He played it perfectly. Yeah. He played it. He played it perfectly. Right. He did. He did.

He did. Look at it right here, Hocho. What's that? I know that's not a camcorder. Hey, you better know it. Hey, you know, as soon as I seen the bag, I knew what it was, huh? Hey, I know you got, you were the free meat. Hey, be like Spike Lee, do the right thing.

So you was there? You. Huh? You... Huh? You was there? Was I? I wanna see the footage. No, you can't do this, Ojo. No? Mm-mm.

All things will stop. Everything. Hey, I... Hey, boy, I could imagine, boy. This going right back to the vault. I could imagine. This is going right back to the vault. I could imagine. You still got a VCR? No.

I bet you ain't got no CD player. No, but I got a bunch of cell phones upstairs. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. A bunch of them. I'm talking about, I got to keep all my cell phones. I bet you ain't got no sidekick No I wasn't in the sidekick So Joe I ain't gonna lie to you

You had a beeper? A pager? Nope I bet you ain't got the Motorola block phone I do got It's in Glenville I got the big one

And the little Yeah the big one Okay okay I got the StarTAC I got a bunch of phones upstairs Okay okay okay Hold on just a second Keep on talking

Let me go upstairs right quick Hold on Alright chat listen chat while he goes upstairs and then and rummages through all all the stuff from the 80s and um i want to talk about my bangles i want to talk about my bangles and i want to tell y'all what's going to happen this year now i've always been right when it comes to predicting stuff and i'm rarely'm rarely wrong. Now, I think about last year, I was wrong twice in a 17, 18 game season, including the playoffs. I guess the playoffs all the way, right? I said the Eagles are probably going to win the Super Bowl. Again, they were going to play the Chiefs. Boom. I was right. So this year, the AFC North is going to go through Cincinnati. It's going to go through Cincinnati. So what's going to happen, the way it's going to play out is

we're probably going to score 40 to 50 points a game. 40 to 50 points a game and our defense is going to be adequate and just good enough to stop teams maybe allow maybe 17 to 20 points a game. That's how it's going to go.

I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know because it's the way the game goes and just the way things are flowing in general. For us as an organization to do something that's never been done before, that's out of character for us as a team and organization, it's going to reward ourselves. The football gods are going to reward us simply because we did something that we've never done before and we made history.

Okay? I think, I think, now I don't have the numbers in front of me, it's possible that we can sign Trey Hendrickson. I think it's possible. And so we're going to do that. Now that's one staple,

you know, that's one staple that we can have as part of the ecosystem defensively. If we can get that staple, you know. That's one staple that we can have that's part of the ecosystem defensively. If we can get that back, you know, I'm not sure. Secondary, we got some good dudes out there on the corner. Safety, I'm not sure what's going on with Vaughn and some of the safeties and whatnot. But outside of that, if you're a gambler man, if there are any gambler women in the chat, I'm telling you now, put your money, put your money on the bangles.

All right. We're going to be in San Francisco and I'm going to meet you all there sometime in February. And that's it. Outside of that, I hope you all had a good Monday. I had a great Monday. You see my jacket. This is a leopard or cheetah i'm not sure uh they all look the same um hello i love y'all i don't know what else to say right now oh this is the only one i can find you remember this one that's a razor that's a razor a star tech star tech right see i knew it was either razor star tech one or the other y'all got this. The antenna come up, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember them.

I remember them. I remember that. I remember that. Where your beeper at? I ain't have no beeper. Oh, yeah. I still got... But I got to get Shelly.

I'm with you. I have them, Ocho, because I know Shelly put them somewhere. But I got about... I think Ocho... Ocho... Thing went up. Shit. But I got about, I think Ocho thing went up.

Shelly put them somewhere, but I got like 17. I got the original iPod. You remember the iPod that hold 10,000 songs? Oh, the big, the big thick one. Yes. Listen, I got all my HBCU band music on that old iPod. I told you, it was thick too, boy.

Yeah. I got it. Hey, I keep everything. Old MacBook. Hey, what you be doing with all that, man?

I don't let nothing go. Hey, you see the big computer behind there on Joe? I got three desks, I'm two. Hey, listen, you can have a yard sale and make a grip, boy. Oh, no. You're going to sell it? No. I don't want nobody to get no information off here.

Oh, no. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Oh, no. I ain't want nobody to get no information off here Oh no Uh uh Uh uh Oh no What you got on there? You acting like 007 I don't know what's on there Okay okay

But I tell you what ain't nobody else gonna find out what's on there either I got you You don't wanna slip up huh? No I want everything I told you, Ocho. Yeah. I would need a crane in my casket. To carry my casket, six can't do it. Too many skeletons.

Too many secrets, Ocho. Too many secrets. I got you. I got you. I got you. Oh, DJ, who's Bazzata? Ocho, you had three catches for 28 yards. Wait, I only had three for 28?

Yep. Damn, I'm sorry as hell. I had more than you. I had three for 32. Hold on, I thought I caught a touchdown in that game. No, you can't. No. And you got tackled.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got tackled on that play. That might have been. That was my. That was my. That was my first year in Baltimore. I caught a touchdown. Look at 2000, Ash.

I thought I caught a touchdown on them. Travis Taylor had four for 66. I had three for 32. Codry had three for 31. Brandon Stokely had one for 23. Todd Heap had one for 18. Mo Williams had two for five. Yeah.

Ocho, you're having 10 yards of catch. Yeah. 9.3. Y'all have 153 yards. What, offense? Yeah, passing. Oh, that's bad. Yeah.

TJ led y'all with 63. You was next with 28. That's me. That's me. That's me. I was going to say, I would give him a few. Donny Scott had one for 20.

Danny Farmer had two for 16. Corey had two for 12. Peter Wark had one for seven. Ron Duggins had one for 20. Danny Farmer had two for 16. Corey had two for 12. Peter Wark had one for seven. Ron Duggins had one for four. And Lorenzo Neal had one for three. Hey, Zo. Who's Zo?

As a matter of fact, I just saw him at the Super Bowl, Joe. Zo? Yeah. Yeah, that's my guy, man. Lorenzo a funny boy. Oh, yeah. Hey, yeah. Inzo a funny boy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, in 2000, I scored. Had five for 40 in the tub.

That wasn't me. As long as we won the game, though. Y'all didn't win no... Y'all actually... Hold on. Pull up, Ash. Pull up Cincinnati's totals. I guarantee we won that game. Pull up their totals. I don't think y'all... Y'all might have not scored. Don's totals. I guarantee you we won that game. Pull up their totals.

I don't think y'all, y'all might have not scored. Don't do that. I definitely scored. Boy, we not, boy, they not. Go back and look at that film and watch Ron Burnett. If y'all see the highlights, go back and look at that here. In 2000, Ron Burnett went on Akili Smith. He got it.

He might not have played no more that year. Well, he must have caught him from the blast side huh boy hey caught him hey he was looking just like this

no he was like this and Rob Burnett he put his helmet right up on his chin ah what was the score I asked you that game a whole lot to a few

I know nah that was it huh 37 zip wait what zip zero Nah. That was it. Huh? 37-0. Wait, what? Zero? The first two games of the season,

the Steelers blanked them. Cincinnati blanked them. No, we beat, no, the second game of the season, we ended up beating Jacksonville. We came back and beat Jacksonville. That was the game Jimmy Smith had 15 for 291. Yeah.

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