Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Texans MOVE PAST the Steelers + AJ Brown LEAVES jersey for Quinton Mitchell + Bears Jaylon Johnson joins NIGHTCAP

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Houston Texas going on the road and blowing out the Pittsburgh Steelers and advancing to play the New England Patriots, AJ Brown left his game worn jersey for Quinyon Mitchell sparking speculation about AJ Brown time in Philadelphia, and Chicago Bears cornerback Jaylon Johnson to talk about the huge win against the Green Bay Packers to advance to the next round and much more!   05:25 - Texans beat Steelers 27:45 - AJ Brown left game worn jersey for Quinyon Mitchell 43:40 - Jaylon Johnson joins (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #clubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And they did what they've been doing all year long, putting pressure on the quarterback, shutting off your run, and then really hunt your quarterback. They forced to take a three takeaways from Aaron Rogers. One, two of those back for touchdown as they win by the score of 30 to 6. They move on to face the New England Patriots on Sunday.

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She just won a Golden Globe last night for the movie she was in with Leonardo DiCaprio. So obviously we'll want to talk about that, but she's in this movie The Rip, and I can't wait to see it tomorrow night. Again, Ocho, the Texans, move on to the advance to the division. the round of the playoffs, thanks to a 30 to six demolition job on this Pittsburgh Steelers.

They beat them up, Ocho. Houston dominated the game, going on a fumble return, a pick six. Even though C.J. Strau, he was like a double agent for a little while because he was up in Pittsburgh and the Texas. But the Houston defense held the Steelers to 175 yards, including just 146 passing for the Steelers. Yeah. So, this might have been the last throw of Aaron's career.

might have been a pick six. Because if you remember, the last throw of Tom Brady's career was a pick six by Logan Ryan, if I'm not mistaken. Obviously, he went on, went to Tampa one, a Super Bowl with Super Bowl MVP

and had him in the playoff each of his three years there. But that was bad. Tonight was bad. And Ocho, yeah. And I know, look, and I don't want to be the bear of bad news,

and I don't want people to think I'm piling on. But when is a number, nothing going to be where Mike Tomlin's never had a losing season. Right. He also hasn't been close to getting back to the Super Bowl since he went to the Super Bowl last time and they lost to Aaron Rogers in 2011. Yeah. That was the last, that was the last chance they've been to the Super.

That was the last time they went to the Super Bowl. And that was the last time. They realistically had a chance. Chance, yes. I mean, they go to the playoffs, but ain't nobody picking those Steelers. Yeah. Go ahead, Joe. Well, you also have to realize, I mean, because of Mike Tomlin and his decision,

not to have a quarterback to back up Ben Rostersburg or not wanting to upset him, not having predecessor in place when Ben Brothelberger time was up. I mean, it's hampered them. It's hampered them in having a chance or even being able to compete. Yeah, having winning seasons is okay. But the ultimate goal at the end of the day is the one to compete for a Super Bowl trophy. And they haven't been able to do that because of the issues at the quarterback position. and we've seen many teams throughout the league struggle until they find that centerpiece.

And until you find that centerpiece, I mean, this is what it's going to be. Now you get Aaron Rogers, who is, you know, up in age, but he can get you. He's 42. Yeah, he's 42. He's nothing like what he used to be. No, he tripped over his own feet tonight and got set. Yeah, it's nothing like you're getting the goddamn Aaron Rogers of young when he was in Green Bay. If you had that, hell, I mean, it would look completely different tonight.

tonight's game you know C. Day Stroud didn't play well well. No, he didn't. See, C.J. Stride didn't play well and people would look at the box score and it being 30 to 6 and you look at the numbers and what Ceday Stroud, he was 20 for 32, you know, at a TD, he had an interception. He threw for 250 yards.

I mean, think about it. The Bibles, I mean, he was one time it was not his fault. The center snapped the ball and it doesn't look like he was ready. But the other time on the flea flicker, he fumbled that one. and then he had another fumble. And then all of a sudden, he took his eyes off the ball twice and it was low.

So he really had four fumbles. Yeah, it was three. And they got two of them back, but that could have been, that could have been disastrous. Go ahead of. Think about this. Think about what if they were playing the team with a much better offense than the Steelers? What they got their playing one on Sunday? Yeah, bingo.

Matter of fact, what if the defense is having a bad game and they just can't stop anybody? Oh, they had lost. You know, you would have lost this game. Uh-huh. you had three tone overs, three toneovers going into the third quarter, you was only down by one point. Down at one point.

In the fourth quarter, obviously, it was a 23-point swing simply because of what the defense did. And then obviously offensively, you finally got one in. But defense won this game for them. CJ Stroud is going to have to play better, especially protecting the ball

and get a little bit more offense, excuse me, get a little bit more offense going. because when you play them Patriots, as great as that defense is, the Patriots have so many different moving pieces, so many different moving pieces offensively, it's going to be tough. It's going to be a tough album.

As great as that goddamn Texan defense is. Yeah, and the thing is that the Patriots offense is better than the offense they face tonight. So if you allow them to have short possessions, which means short fields, Ocho, they're going to cash those in. I don't think they struggle. they can run the ball better. I think they protect better than what Pittsburgh does.

Pittsburgh don't have any playmakers. I mean, after that first, the first series, DK.K. D.K. Ocho, he got a force block. DK. 6-3, 6-4, 230 pounds. And he let that man blow that play up in the backfield, Ocho? Yeah. Come on, Ocho. I'm not, listen, I'm not saying you got a pancake the guy.

But ain't no way, no DB. I would not allow a DB. And because D.K's weighs more than I did and I played tight end. There's no way I'm allowing a DB to blow me up and make that play in the backfield. No. That's just not want to. That's just, he just didn't want to. Petri came to play.

Those guys came to play. Hey. Petri headache. Petri is thumping. Hey, do you see how small Petri is? He's not a big dude. No. Petri is not a big dude, but he plays like he's 6.5.

Yeah. He plays like he's six five. You know, and he's very reminiscent the way Petrie is. plays and comes to the party, he plays down in the box, he supports, he supports coming down on the run. He reminds me Ryan Clark a little bit.

If you remind me, Ryan Clark, Ryan Clark had no regard for his body. Oh, he coming to the party with no regard to you or his body. He's a 90s. He's a 90s type of safety.

Those guys was physical. The Rodney Harrison's, the steep. Now, he's not as big as those guys. And you look at you, like, oh, man, I'm about to run.

Okay. He's too little. Yeah, he looks small. Okay. Next thing you know your heels up in there, you're like, well, damn, what happened? He doesn't knock you on your ass. That's what happened.

Yeah. But let's take the, we're talking about the Texas, but let's take the Steelers. Everybody loves to hang their hat. Mike Tomlin's never had a losing season. He's never had a losing season. Right. What is that?

I thought the objective was to win and win a championship. So now this is where we are, because no coach has ever started his career like this, never had a non-winning. What is that? How close are the Steelers? Steelers, Steelers, be realistic with yourself. How close are you would you say you to winning a championship

as currently constructed? No, not nowhere near. Now we're not even close. No. They're not even close. Defense front, okay. It's okay. They're really good against the run.

They compression. they get exotic with some stuff. But offensively, because you got a 42-year-old guy, because now because what happened, Ocho, he reverted back. He didn't look like the old Aaron Rogers. He looked like an old Aaron Rogers. That's what he looked like. And people like, well, if you go up and they had to stand up there,

he average, what, 3.7 yards of air distance, which was the fewest in the NFL. You know what happens when you get like that? You don't want to get hit. Yeah. And they've got to find ways to get the ball out your damn hand quick. you don't trust your offensive line and they work scheming ways

to get the ball out your hands because they know you can't take a hit. Yeah. Because in order for you to take in order for you to push the ball down to field, Locho, you would have to take one right here occasionally. Yeah, you got to.

And at 42, you ain't trying to do that. No. You know what else? If I have a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, as old as he is, being that he's not the same where he used to be, he's not in position, nor do you have the skill set or the quality of play to be able to elevate those around him.

So those around him need to be that much better. You got to get better players around him. That's why Tom Brady left New England. He got with a young Chris Godwell. He got with a young Mike Evans. They got an Antonio Brown. They brought in Grom. They had Kate Aughton, that young offensive line.

They drafted Tristan Worth. Look at that young defense that they had. They had a JPP. They had a Devin White. They had a 54. his name. They had those young guys. Carlton Davis,

Jamel Dean. They had his dad was a, he's a safety, his dad was a safety in the league. I forget his name also at the top of my head, guys. Sorry about that. You're about Winfield. No?

Yeah. Antonio Winfield, Jr. Yeah. Yeah. Levante David. You see? Yeah. So now as you get older,

you need more help. So instead of, for 20 years, Tom Brady was able to elevate. I ain't mad at it. That now he, same thing with Peyton. Payton went out with the Demarius, rest of soul. He got with a young Eric Decker.

He got with Emmanuel Sanders. He had a Julius Thomas. They redid that offensive line. They have Barr Miller. They go get to Marcus Ware. They go get to leave. They go get a seat, TJ Ward. Look at what they did.

They had those young linebackers in there. Trevathan and Brandon Marshall. That's what that's what, Aaron Rogers needs. So if you think you're going to get that guy to elevate your team, no, you need to have pieces in place that can elevate him. And there's no harm in that. There's no harm in that.

Nobody is the same as they were in the beginning. Right. And the biggest thing is also is coming to grips with that. That's the hardest thing when you're a great player is come to grips that I've not what I used to be. But Pittsburgh's not even close. And I get it. Mike Tomlin, he's great, very, very.

matter of fact, you know where he stands, have great sayings. But Pittsburgh, if you being honest, if everybody's being honest, y'all not close. But you know what? Also, I think Mike Tomlin will probably know that and understand that if this is Aaron Rogers last year, that means I'm even that much further away from being able to win the championship. Yes. So not having losing seasons. Yes, that's the great thing. But that's not the end goal at the end of the day. I think Mike Tomlin, I love him to death as a coach. I think he walks away. I think I'm not, I don't, I don't see the runies actually firing him.

I don't think they make that decision. I think they have a conversation where they allow him the grace to be able to leave, you know, to leave the game or the team in general. I don't see that happening. I don't see Mike Tomlin walking away from 16 million a year. So what, what you, what you, hold on this. That's, hold on now, but talk to me now. What, what, what do you think?

I think he won't come back. But I don't think they're close. We're going to be in the same situation. The same situation again, the same situation we've been in for the last 15 years. Mike Tomlin hasn't had a non-losing season, a non-winning season. Because there have been times he's been 500, 8-8,

so you didn't lose, but you didn't win. But okay, I get that. He's 10 and 7 this year. We're going to be right back here again next year, having the same conversation. The same conversation we had in 2012, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 17, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. We've had the same conversation, chat. Pittsburgh Steelers fans, you know it, terrible towel fans, you know it.

How many years consecutive have we had the conversation? You know, I close. I just want you, but also I want you to know this, T.J. T.J. Watt ain't getting younger. Cam Hayward ain't getting younger. Right. You got, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, J. Ram and Peasy Jr.

Okay, they can lock it now they're doing good. The transition has been seamless for Ram from corner to safety. Hell of a job. I've always liked it because he was unafraid to tackle. I love that. I love that about a guy. I need my corners to tackle.

Yeah. Junior, he's getting better and better. He's getting better and better. Junior who? Joy Porter, Jr. Hey, he's nice, aren't? Joy, poor, Jr., yeah.

He did much. better. And he talked just like his daddy. His daddy had more mouth than a pohawk had air. And he had to talk chirping just like him, oh, yeah. And he's going to be in your face all game, too. And he's going to follow you too, huh? Yes, I like that. He's going to follow you.

I like that. Now, back to the Texans. Here, let me pull up this dance because I don't have my board like I normally would have it if I was home. Just the second chat. CJ was 21 of 32, 250, one touchdown, one of the exception.

He was sacked. He was sacked three times. Woody Marks had an outstanding game, 19 for 112 and a touchdown. Chub ran the ball, well, 10 for 48. They had 31 rush attempts, 164 yards, and a touchdown. I mean, over 400 yards of total offense, that's saying something against that defense, because the defense is pretty good.

But I was surprised the ease in which, But after a while, you know, the levee or the dam can only hold so much water before it gives. And you see, they write back on the field, Ocho. They write back on the field. They write back on the field. And next thing, you know, that last touchdown, Ochoe, that was fatigue. That defense was exhausted. Oh, yeah, it was tired.

It was exhausted. If at any point, Ann Rogers, in that offense and the creativity could have got a string of drive together, just to string up just to get him boy some time. Let us rest. Come on now with the three and out. Come on now with the three and out. And going into the fourth quarter,

they had a chance. The Steelers still had a chance going into the fourth quarter. And at that point, it was too late. They couldn't hold them on. The deepest couldn't hold them up. I thought the only way the Steelers could win, they got to pick six or they got a scoop and score.

As far as moving, moving the ball? Nah. Nah. Oh, Joe. Did you realize the Texas was 10 or 15 on third down? Oh, shit. The Steelers was two or what?

Two or 14 on third. Two or 14? Yeah, two or 14 on third. You ain't putting no game like that. No. Steelers had 175 yards. 13 first downs. There were two or 14.

There were two or three on fourth downs. Yeah. At 56 total plays, 175 yards. 175 yards. When you take away the sacks yard that they lost, they have 175 total yards, Ocho. A team led by Aaron Rogers, one of the great NFL quarterbacks,

one of the great players of all time. They have 175 yards of total offense. Hey, it's bad, boy. They're not good, Ocho, they're not good. And you're pinning your... Ocho, think about it. You pin your hopes. Uh-huh.

on a 42-year-old quarterback with no auxiliary pieces around him. Yeah, you know what? I wouldn't even say you pin your hopes, but you understand what he can do. That better in presence, knowing that he's been in his position before. He's been the playoff games. Can you muster up just enough to give us a chance?

No. Not when you don't have anything around it. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I was watching, man, I was watching D.K. on that ball. He bumbled him. Oh, show.

I don't know how he has his hand. I need to see him up close. I need to have a conversation with him. But see, you know, you have. He's not, you know what it is, Ocho? Not a natural. He's not a natural catcher. He's not a natural catcher of the football.

I would do you think of the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can tell, you can tell when a receiver is a natural, natural catcher of the football. I mean, he's not one. He's a receiver, yes, but he's not a natural. Natural catcher. He doesn't pluck the ball.

Yeah. Like some of the guys just pluck it. You see Chase, how he plunk. the ball. Look at Pooka Nakuwa, how he just plucks the ball. Some guys, they just pluck the ball and they're like, damn, bro. How you just make that look so easy? Yeah. And the other guys fight it. It's like they're fighting the ball.

And there's a certain, there's a certain art to catching the ball. It is. That's an art. There's a certain art to it where I know people on the outside looking in, listen, you're a receiver, you're in NFL, you've been catching the ball all your life. but some make it look easy than others. Yes. There's a certain state of relaxation. Yes. Not really relaxed.

Right. I don't know how to make it make sense, you know, put it into words for myself. I only speak for myself and other other like natural past catches of the ball. My body was always relaxed, but there was some tension to myself that I had to where I, I just, I wanted to look pretty. Yeah. You know what I mean? Everything was with hands. I hate catch with my body.

I hate it. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that natural pass catchers, like you say, they relax. A lot of times the DB are looking at your eyes. When the ball is looking at your eyes, and what happens? Eyes get big.

Okay, ball's coming. Yep. That's why you got to have laid hands. You got to have. You got to relax. Instead of running five, six, seven yards with your hands out like this here. Right, right.

Because he's going to rake. Oh, yeah. I want to wait to the very last minute. The last minute, yeah. And at all pause, I'm trying to, that's why on the goal ball, Ocho, the first thing I'm trying to do is I'm trying to stack you. Yeah.

I'm trying to get you at a trail position. So that way you have to come through me. I don't want you. I don't want to dance with you. I don't want you hip to hip to hip. Yeah. Hipped to hip. The quarterback got to throw down their perfect pass.

You know who's the best receiver I've ever seen in the history of this game at always being in a. relaxed state when they catch the ball. Chat, watch Randy Moss on deep balls. Most of the time, when you watch receive was kept deep balls, what's the first thing? They're stumbling all over the place. Right. They're out of the control most of the time, even if they do make the catch.

Every time Randy Moss caught a ball, his body was always relaxed, and it was with such ease. Every time, whether there were two people, whether there's one person. And for the life of me, even when I caught deep balls, I was always in a state of as much as I wanted to relax, I couldn't. I was always out of control, or I'd be falling with it. He's the best I've seen at being able to run and jump. Yes. I can't, look, bro, either I'm jumping, if 10 yards, 15 yards, I could jump at high point it.

Right. He could run and jump over his shoulder and catch the ball. I couldn't catch the ball like that. Right, right, right. Because I keep jumping like this here, the ball goes right through the wicked. he's the best I've ever seen at it being able to run and be 30, 40 yards down the field and jump and catch the ball.

I'm like, well, damn, if I couldn't hop on it, yeah, he'd probably going to break that one up. It is what it is. I'm just letting you know. So, but the Texas, man, this is going to, this is going to be a dog fight on Sunday. Turnovers. You play.

And Ocho, in this game right here, you play in triple. Yeah. We normally say you play double, you pay in triple. Because both of these defenses are outstanding. Whichever defense can create short fields. Yes. For their offense, that's the team that's going to win. If C.J. Stroud plays Sunday like he played tonight.

And also, what's being, no, what's a note, Nico Collins, he left with a concussion. He took two blows. I tweeted he's probably done for the night. That's the second blow to the head because he got up after the first one and was woozy. But the magnitude of the game, I'm good. Hey, I got a two fingers.

How many fingers I got up? Two? Okay, okay, you're good. You good. That second one, I say he's done. Is he going to be in concussion protocol? Is he going to be cleared? Because, boy, you're asking,

that's a steep mountain to climb. without your best offensive weapon. Yeah. Well, even without him, Christian Kirk was cutting up. He was cut in. Higgins still was okay. They still have some other threats

and some other weapons over their offensively. Boy, that secondary New England, boy. Oh, they're nice. Yeah, man. Gonzales Jones, I like a little slot number 25. Yeah, I would get rid of say, did you see Gonzales stat line for last game? Yeah, a bunch of zeros.

Man. A bunch of zeros. Hey, and that would be a great, a great matchup. If Nico Collin can go against Chris Gonzalez, that would be a great matchup. So, listen, it's going to come down to not only that game is going to be one in the trenches, but the game is also going to be decided by quarterback play. And C.D. Scott is going to have the match Drake May,

who has been phenomenal all season long and in the playoffs, you're going to have to match him because the defense the defense is going to show up he definitely he can't play he can't play like he played tonight that's not

uh oh joe let's go let's transition right quick after disappointing loss in the poor performance AJ Brown left his game worn jersey for teammate Quinion Mitchell a gesture many believed could signal his final parting gift AJ wrote

all pro Hugh Love bro proud of you. Many people believe the gesture seemed odd for Brown to give Mitchell his game worn jersey after not having a great performance unless Brown wasn't planning on coming back next season. Ocho, we know guys exchange jerseys all the time. Are we making too much of this or are you reading the tea leaves like a lot of other people are reading the tea leaves? Well, honestly, when you leave a jersey like that and you leave a last, game without talking to the media, it lets me know he's probably not going to do the exit meeting. He's probably not going to do the exit meeting because all the players, you see each other the

following day anyway, because everyone comes back to be able to pack your bags. And the fact that he left the jersey with a note on there probably lets me know, you know what, I'm skipping the ex meeting. I'm not going to be here anyway. I'm not going to be here anyway. And I think he's already had his mind made up or he might be upset. There are probably conversations that are going to be had between AJ Brown and Lurie and Mr. Roseman and what they're going to decide to do with him next year.

But listen, I heard some comments from Jayne the Hertz that, you know, he talked with AJ Brown after the game that we're good. So if there's anything you want to know, you might have to ask him. But I don't think reporters have the opportunity to ask him because he's already made his mind up. Yeah. Ocho, normally a gesture like this? Yes.

You fold a jersey up, you leave it. You don't leave it for all to see. Hey, bro, I left that for you. Yeah. You want to show, we don't have done it now. I mean, that's how it's normally done. Yes. Already discussed it.

Hey, hey, what, hey, oh, that's tough, man. Especially, I hate that, if that is, A.J. Brown's last game. I hate that this is what we're left of it from him as a Philadelphia Eagle, as one of the better receivers in the league. And, you know, having somewhat, you know, by his standards, having a day. down you're like this and collecting anybody any receiving any number one though those are barely number two stats yeah he's a number one oh joe when we talk about him now i'm not he's a number one yes he's what chase is he's what pick is or cd is he's what jeta is whatever uh nico collars he's that

he's that guy he's their guy and for him to have the kind of season that he had and it culminated when they absolutely needed him the most, he didn't show up. When they absolutely needed him the most, Ocho, and that's what happens. When you complain, we're not getting you the ball, we're not giving you the ball, okay?

There were several times we gave you every opportunity. Even as bad as you played up until that point, Ocho on third down, you dropped that one. If you want to say the win was playing, so many, I misjudged it. Okay, I'll concede all that. Although I don't believe you misjudged it, I'll give you that just for the benefit of the doubt.

Ocho likes to give benefit of the doubt. Or like he said, he liked to play, let him play devil's advocate. Ocho, but when I threw you that end cut, okay, now what? Yeah. That ball hit you in the hands. Yeah, right through your hands. Right through. He had another dig.

He dropped that one. He had the goal ball on the, right side. He dropped that one. I don't know. Maybe he didn't see it. Maybe he saw it late. Maybe he saw the safety. But all I know is in a playoff game, you got to have that. I'm laying out for that. Yeah, you got to have it. I'm just saying, it is what it is. Like I said, maybe he misjudged it. Maybe the wind caught it. He thought it was going to, you know, land in his hands and the wind caught it and blew it down. Or maybe it took it farther. But don't you got to lay out for that. It's the playoffs.

I heal up after the season. But I'm just confused by, and the thing was, Ocho, after every game early, he was sitting there, and he would answer every reporter's questions about the offense. And when he laid an egg,

Sunday, which he did, he had nothing to say. Yeah, he didn't want to talk. Ocho, he had been talking all year. He had been contaminated, in the locker room. Everybody having, how many times

did they ask Sariani? Ocho, you never had Mike Brown have to ask you to tone it down. Mike, Mr. Bowler, rest his soul,

Art Modell, rest his soul, never had to ask me to tone it down. Right. You had all of this to say when you weren't getting the ball. Now I want you to be

mad enough to stand. You had some opportunities to say, Jay, what happened? That ain't how you do business. Yes, huh? That ain't how you do.

do business, Ocho. We've all had games. We like to have that. But you can't ask for something and then when you get it, that's a horrible look. Yeah. That is a horrible, horrible look. Eagles fans, I think they're probably fed up with it. I know some of his teammates fed up with it. Because you know what, Ocho, you know what I'm fed up with? If I have to answer questions, you ain't asking me about the game. You got me asking questions about AJ Brown. Yeah. Yeah, I think some players probably would be fed up with it. Some, you know, that are friends of his, you know, outside of the game of football, probably not.

They maybe have a better understanding on what he's going through, depending on who it is. But you have some like linemen, like linebackers, like those that are on the deepest side of the ball, that might be sick of it, you know? He's not, he's not, I'm just saying, for better context and perspective, he's not the first one to walk out and not wanting to talk to the media. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think Cam, cam, um, was it the Super Bowl after the Super Bowl loss? Yes. Cam skipped out on the, on the, on the, can't do that. Yeah, you can't do that. So the frustration is built up and, and most of the time, they tell you before you talk to the media after bad game, cool down, take some time before you

answer questions, but actually just leaving and not talking to them at all, you can't, you can't do that. Let me ask you question, Ocho. before he talked to the media when he wasn't catching balls, did he calm down before he had a conversation with the media? So just like you stood up there

and you talked to them about how you would like to have the ball like you would be a part of their offense? Yes. Because they want to say, well, they involve you today, AJ, what happened? Yeah. Oh, yeah, hey, listen, hey,

that Philadelphia media at their game like that and you got the big of him, man, it's too, it's too. I think, I'm thinking, thinking the Philadelphia media and the New York media? Yes. Boy?

No. Yes. I agree. Boy, having to deal with them. I agree. Oh, Joe, you get no disagreement from me. Absolutely. Hey, boy, hey, because they love blue collar.

They love, especially Philly. Let's just take Philly. We'll talk about New York media at a later day time. Philly, like lunch pale, blue collar, hardworking guys. guys that punch clots. Sanitation workers, construction workers, late,

you know, I'm saying late, that's what they love. That's what Philly is, hard hats and lunch pails. They love those type of guys. Right. And my only thing is,

but I think, you know, look, I didn't know that I was going to be in the media like I was, but as I got, gotten money,

and people started saying, man, you really should do media. You really should do media. And I'm like, okay. So in my off time, I would go do CBS of anybody. I would go, you know, I wasn't in the playoffs. I would go talk or when someone wanted to talk. I would talk, Ocho. Right, right.

But it's, it's, I've just always been wired like this. When things go good, I got to stay. If I were, because, boy, they had, hey, they're breaking down. All right, we good. We got everything. We did. Hey, you don't, you want to ask me any more questions? I had a good game today.

Hey, we played well today. Yeah. But when things went bad, Shannon Sharp had one catch, Shannon Sharp had two catches, Shannon didn't have the type of numbers that he used to see. Shannon didn't impact the game. We lost.

Now, I got to be mad enough to stand there and tell you, I didn't play well. Let's start with that first. Shannon didn't play well. We didn't play well as a team, but I feel if I play better, I'm the...

I'm the party starter. Right. I'm the one to get it kick started. I'm the one that they look to get everybody going. That was my job. Right. I'm the drum major. They take their keys from me, and I let them down.

And that's on me. I wasn't ready to play. And in turn, they fell off my energy, and we seemed as an offensive unit, we weren't ready to play. You've got to stand there. And sometimes, Ocho, you've got to stand there and face, the music and it's not always easy. Anybody can talk when you win it?

Yeah. Again, Ocho, when you got a buck 50 and two tubs, bang got that Ocho up there. Hey, buddy. Oh, he up there hammered, oh, da-da, oh. I'm that, what damn, Ocho? But when you lose, you got to stand up there,

and I'm not saying you Kiki-Kin winning, but, hey, you got to have a tone. Yes, I'm disappointed because I let the team down. Yeah. And you, you know what? And the funny thing about it, you're talking to the choir. how many winning scenes I had in Cincinnati in 11 years? Yes.

So I had to have those tough conversations. I had that media savviness to be able to navigate, you know, in front of those reporters, whether they had a good game or whether I had a bad game. And you got to understand, for me, it was even worse because I created a circus in a fun way. So it was even worse for me and much more difficult to stand there and have those conversations when we were losing. But I think the fans in Cincinnati know the decade that you was there, although you didn't have the winning that you would want. Yeah.

They don't feel you ever quit on the team. Oh, never that. I can't, Unk. I got to play for them stripes. My name is on the back of the jersey when we on TV. There you go. I ain't had a choice. I got to come to the party.

I got to be the life for the party. I understood that. I would do everything I can to do what we can, to do what I can. to make sure we win and make everyone else and job around me easy. Easier. My quarterback Carson before every game,

but your job is going to be easy today. Coach Lewis, man, go ahead and relax, man. See, you get you a cigarette, smoke on the sideline. I got you. They used to smoke on the sideline. They don't let them do it anymore.

That's why I said. I said, I said, coach, you could be letting dogs. They used to let them wear suits on the sideline. You can wear fadoras. You can wear all kinds of. Now you got to wear. NFL issued equipment. Yeah.

Because, you know, they tried to sell product. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Because, you know, coaches used to have, you know, advertising with shirts and suits and manufacturers. So, oh, that's a such and such, suit and such.

Dan Reeve, I mean, Coach Reeves would have, you know, a suit deal. Yeah. Oh, remember the classic, the iconic picture with Lynn Dawson for the Kansas City Chief sitting in. Oh, we smoking on the sideline? No, sit in the locker room. I have time. Yeah.

Lynn Dawson, smoking the cigarette. Oh, that's an iconic picture. Yeah, the guys used to smoke at halftime, Mottoe, you'd go, like you would go, and guys would be outside the locker room smoking. Oh, that's, well, that's, in the early 90s. Now, they went away from that.

In the 90s? Yeah. That was more so the 80s. It was. 60, 70s, 80s. Right. But when I got to the league in 90, I'd never forget,

uh, blending the old Coliseum of the Raiders. Uh-huh. Man, I'm walking to the thing. Uh, Greg Townsend, sitting on his hill. Tell me. For real?

What up, Shaw? Yes. That's crazy. Yes. But a lot of guys, there are a lot of guys that smoked. I had teammates. Oh, we got a lunch break. They're going straight to the car.

Yeah. You know what? When I think about it too long, when I think about it, I think about back then the 80s, I mean, 70s, 80s, early 90s. You think about today and today's game. I mean, not cigarettes, but they smoke with something else. They spoke a weed, yes, for sure. You know, they spoke with something else.

So it's kind of the same thing. It just wasn't going on at halftime. Right. Yes, yes, yes. But his cap hit is, AJ's cap hit is 23.4 million. Yeah. A trade dead cap hit is 43.5 million. A pre-June first trade means Eagles would take it on the fourth largest single-season

dead cap hit in history, a $20 million. half here. The question is, are the Eagles that fed up with AJ Brown? I personally believe they are. You think so? I do. I personally believe they are. Yeah, I think they might be at a crossroads where they don't want to deal with the problem anymore or don't want to be. He doesn't want to be there. Yeah, he doesn't want to be there. And also, what you can do is not going to be able to replace AJ Brown. Now, you can get pieces to help you offensively. Yeah. Maybe make up some of the production or lack thereof production, but we, We know what it can do. We know what he can do when it's on the offense that is flowing the right way. Right.

Think about the way they look when they established the running game and were able to throw their way into games every week because the running game was doing so well. That Super Bowl run. Yes. They didn't have that this year. There was no authenticity creativity. Everything was very, very vague, you know, and the fact that I could sit here. and watch a goddamn Philadelphia Eagles game and tell you what routes are going to be

The rock combination they're going to run here. I'm like, what do they're doing? And if I can do it, and I'm sitting at home, what do you think the people that watch film all goddamn we can do it? I agree. I think, Ocho, for me and chat, let me know what you think. I think the easiest marriages to get out of

is that when both people want a divorce. The hard one is that when one wants to stay and the other wants out. But when both parties realize that, is best for us to terminate this marriage, those should be easy. But hold on. Also, you know what happens? You know what sets in after when both won apart and your motherfucking think the grass is green on the other side? Because the grass is really green as bad as you may think it is over here in Philly. But one thing you know about Philly in that

organization is they're built structurally to always have a chance at a goddamn Lombardi every effing year. Every year. Ocho, you know the, we got a very special guest joining us tonight, Ocho. What's our nephew? He tackles two passes defenders,

defended, and he's a part of the cardiac bears. Here you know, hey, corner C-B-1, JJ, Jalen Johnson. Jay, how you doing, bro? What's up, man? Good to see y'all again.

Good to see, hey. Hey, when you come on nightcap, you normally have to get to come back later to see it. because you had a pro bowl all pro season or your teams in the playoff. That's just the way it pans out. No doubt 100%. So that game is not going the way you want it.

They're going up and down the field. Jordan Love, three touchdowns in the first half, 20-1-3. I mean, so what's going to, so walkers through the locker room at halftime, what did Ben Johnson say, what was some of the leaders saying? And then the start of that fourth quarter, what was the sideline like? honestly it was it was honestly a crazy turning event like we of course come out we turned up we ready to go and then we go down 21 3 and it's like man everybody shut the hell up ain't no more talking ain't no no no wrong yeah now ain't no more hoorah and i just remember

uh kevin byer the whole time he was like man talking ain't going to help us execute like we need to stop talking and doing all this and settle in and then really just a halftime that was the biggest thing like it can't get no worse than this like i mean at the end of day it's 213 almost 21 blow but I think too, like coach showed us a video like a whole breakdown during the, during camp of the Falcons and Patriots game when they went up 283 and all that and just shows like the composure. Yeah, he showed that to us early. So just like talking to Joe Tooney telling him because he was on the winning side of it

and then Jared was on the losing side of it. So having both of the NBA their perspectives on it and then it really just, he brought it back up like this is that moment. Like think back to the conversation that we had and what it took for them to get back in tune and there's one possession out of time. time defense gets stopped, offense started putting points on the board. And that was really it. So when we came out on defense, it was like, man, we got to get stopped.

If we figured if they didn't score no more, then we'll win the game. So that's all we were focused on really on defense, just executing and playing more aggressive. Hey, what has, what has it been like that entire culture has shifted because of one man? Obviously, having a quarterback like Caleb Williams, and you get someone, a coach, a player-friendly coach, as I like to call it, in Ben Johnson and coming to there. Is he the sole reason for the reason you guys are having, the kind of success you guys are having? I mean, it's hard to say the sole reason.

I think, for one, just the timing. I would say of everything. The only person get credit for that is God, of course. But I think really just the timing of when Ben got here, when Caleb got here, when a lot of these pieces all got here. I think it would be different if he got here three, four years ago. The team looked different. Situation is different. But I'll definitely say his leadership, his.

competitiveness has definitely changed the trajectory of how we looked at approaching games. And again, too, I mean, you can be as good leader or you want, but you're dialing it up on offense as well. And he's always been doing that. I think just the way he controls the game, even going into that game, he's like, if we win it, we want to receive, we want to control the tempo, control the ball. And it's like, no, man, I ain't never heard nobody say this. Oh, we want the defense go out there, set the tone.

It's like, no, let us get the ball, let us control the tempo, let it take some of the time off, and things like that. definitely ahead of it. He's an officer-minded coach. He wants to attack. He's an office-in-minded coach. He wants to attack. He's like, oh, they think they got a defense now we want the ball.

No doubt. We want the ball. We're going to show them. We're going to take this ball and go right down to their field. There was a throw. And I know you saw it on the sideline. That one that Caleb, that's your season. If you don't make that, that's fourth and 11.

If you don't get that, JJ, your season's over. He fought. He's rolling to his left. He backs and stumble. and throws a dime for 15 when you saw that. He's more accurate going that way. That's the crazy part.

Like it's backwards as it sounds, it's like you don't even want to flush him to his leg because he would still get it off accurate. But when he threw it, it was just like, man, what the? Ooh, okay. It was just like, one of those was like, you thinking like, man, it's over.

He out here doing the crazy stuff and it works. So I think, I can't even say it works. That's just part of his game. Like at this point, it's not even something that you can just say is that, that just happens or a magical Dini. It's like, nah, he's, like, he's legit at that. And he does it in practice.

It's clearly been doing this forever. So it's just really who he is. And it's funny because I think it was yesterday came in. I've seen him. It might have been a day. I've seen him. I was like, hey, man, sometimes I've got a looking man in the eye and just say, say, good job.

You're doing a heck of a job because some of the stuff he does is crazy. That's not something you'll see every day. I mean, I'm looking at you guys. You guys were down with less than two minutes to go to the Raiders 2419. you win that game. You're down to the, you're down to the, you're down to the Bengals with 19 seconds. You win that game.

You're down against the Vikings with four seconds. You win that game. Second and goal, 2716, Green Bay, 418 on the clock, and you win that game. How have you guys been able to maintain your composure when all scenes lost? Like, damn, how we find ourselves in that situation?

And somehow, you guys make a play defense, you get a stop, and then when you turn the ball back over to Caleb in that office, they cash it in. I think execution brings confidence, and I think at the end of the day for us, we've been able to execute it down the stretch over and over. And with that, you naturally have confidence where it's like, all we got to do is give my opportunity to close the game out or put it in our hands to close the game out. I think that's really the mentality and the mindset.

As long as there's time 1 o'clock, we got a way to win. So, I mean, it's just one of those things where it's switch force. I mean, for a long time, it's been the exact, obviously, where we find ways to lose the damn game. So I think for us in this building and this culture and what we have now, we find ways to win. There's a viral video going on where you're kneeling down, tricking on Christian Watson on the final player of the game.

Walkers through that moment, what was going, what were you saying to him and what made you do that? Yeah, I mean, of course, everybody's seen the prayer video when I prayed for him when he injured his knee. But really, I think for me, it was just really going back in And I don't even say checking on him, but just telling him, like, way to push through, way to battle back and come back from what he's, what he injured and all that. And, of course, just competitive. I mean, he's still fast and still runs, still blazing.

I think it's just a blessing to just see him out there. So, I mean, of course, after the second game and we don't, or second and third game, we don't have to see each other no more. Definitely wanted to take that time and tell him like, no, like, I'm proud of you and how you bounce back. And I feel like that was something I don't want to say old him, but felt like it's something I had in my heart to do. A lot of been made about being. in the locker room saying after Packers after the win. Yeah. I mean, and then you see him, I mean, he almost like, I mean, he ran up to

you know, normally the coaches they run up there, they shake each other hand. They lead in, good luck, hey, wish you the best. Man, Ben read that thing like this here, like, hey, like he stole the man TV earlier that day and they didn't want the man to slicking me in the life. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it's one of those things where it's like, it's good to see that competitor. I feel like people pick and choose when they want people to be competitive.

and they want the coach to be aggressive and competitive. And then when he shows it, it's all he's this, he's that. It's like either you want the competitiveness or you don't. I mean, at the end of day, too, it's a rivalry. Coaches have hidden rivalries. I mean, they've been competing for a long time against each other. I mean, the end of the day, it is what it is. He's embracing that Chicago nature, too, at the end of the day.

Yeah. Hey, you guys obviously had the Rams coming up and obviously not wanting to give a game plan away. But I think what do you guys think defensively? to be able not to stop, but to contain Devonty Adams, Poo and Nacu, and Mastaffin and those boys offensively. I think guys like me got to strap up. I think it's kind of just as simple as that.

Because, I mean, it's not so much too high you can play. They're going to run the ball. So, I mean, it's not like you can just hide and try to just do all these things. I mean, at the end of the day, guys who get paid to cover or go out there and cover. And, shoot, the rush got to hit home as well. So, I mean, hopefully there's some, we're going to have some.

I mean, it's Monday. So, I mean, we got, we got some time to figure out how we're going to be executed. But I know, especially for me, this is a pride game. I go into this game more than, more than excited, more than willing and able to go handle whatever needs to get handles. I mean, for myself, I'm just preparing myself for that. But I know everybody on the back end, we all got to, we all got to step up and really take pride in this game. Because, I mean, it's going to go through, it's going to go through Puka, it's going to go through Devante. And the big boys up front got to handle the running back and the quarterback.

So that's really how I'm looking at it. Yeah, because you, I mean, you look at it. that's like, well, it ain't know, like, well, I follow this guy, you follow that guy, because both of the guys can. Hey, he got a line that to go against whoever comes to. And the other guy led to meet your touchdown. So, hey, either one of these guys, you know can go off on a given. And Pook is so physical.

People don't realize how big Pooka is. People think because he lines up in the slot, Jay, is that he a small guy. No, Pooka big as hell. He got them Polynesian bones. Yeah. Pooka be out there with no tape. Pook will be out there just, just, just,

just boat rolling. It is funny because for me, I went to school with his brother Samson. So I, like, know the family, been around him, talked to him at the Pro Bowl. And it's like, if you knew his family, you'll know how, like, nice he is. And, like, it's almost true. He has plenty of, like, athletic family members.

They all play basketball, super crazy athletic. And it's like, for him to be the youngest of doing what he's doing, it's really no surprise to me because, I mean, shoot, we were trying to get him at Utah. Yeah. Look, you dealt with a core muscle injury. I think they call it a sports hernia. Is that what you,

because you end up having certain things. That's not what I had. That's not what you have. So what did you have? No, I had tour, so initially I tore my like adductor. So it's like with all those things kind of connected from the adductor going into the pelvic and then the core going into the pelvic. Once you kind of tear one,

you kind of more like I'm going to tear the other one. So in Detroit, I end up tearing pretty much the core part of that connection. And then naturally I had some damage leaking to my other side. side. So I really got both sides repaired, growing, and core. Wow. So you good now, though, huh? Yeah. I mean, as far as my surgeon injury go, but it's like the rehab is almost never ended almost for about a year because, I mean, all the scar tissue builds up and be in the position that I'm in, sliding, moving ladder. Yeah, you got a, hey, you got a, you got to, you got a, you got to drive, you even tear, you, but, hey.

So it's, it's been, it's been tough on me, honestly, because it's like, when you know you can't move, how you normally move, you start overcompensit. say now your mind is messed up and now you're like man do i got it like hang with my so now it's like for me that's really what i was fighting like the first three four weeks i mean being in pain taking damn numbing shots and like for the games to be able to go i mean it's really been a lot i've been probably just hey it's no it's been some stuff and people but oh man jails is not healthy you damn right i'm not all the way healthy but i think really just for me just continuing to just continue to attack the rehab i just got off the massage table a few hours ago so just trying to just

continue to get myself the best chance to win but i'm looking forward to a full off season and get really healthy. But you know, Jay. Hold on. Hold on. Go ahead, Joe. Hey, listen, if you talk about getting healthy in the off season, you, you might. I know, I know where to go for a look.

Where, where? To you. I'm calling you up. Hey, there you go. There you go. There you go. I got you. I got you.

Listen, on the field, off the field, but I'm also, I have a meal plan that you can have me next year as your nutritionist. I had you right. I'm already on it. I just had me and Mick Gritty, uh, Mick Muckuffin other day. See, that's what. I'm trying to tell you. I'll bring it to the facility.

Ask the guys about me. I bring McDonald's chicken plate breakfast every Saturday. You see? You see why he's so great at what he do? Huh? I've been taking notes. For sure, for sure. You got to get to keep what they want.

It ain't a little folk, dude. See, he's eating the chicken bread. And he was eating the, you know, grill stuff. He wouldn't have had that. Oh, that. No, but that's the part that people don't see. Is that what an athlete does just to be able to go out there. And then when you

don't put up the numbers, when you don't put up the numbers or you're not playing like you're supposed to play, they, the first thing they'd hollered, oh, he washed. Bro, the man had surgery. He just came back. He's having to take injections just to get his ass out there. But you know what? All they see is one with

Johnson in the back of that jersey. They don't care how you got there. You could have drove a bulldozer to get to the game. You're there now. Yeah, nah. And it's funny because It's like, that's what I'm glad, like, I'm not on social media because, like, I don't see it. I just kind of hear from my people that are on it, but it's just like, for me, it's like, I know what I'm going through.

And it's like, realistically, I shouldn't even have came back when I came back. Like, I took every measure to try to push my body, push myself. And it's like, oh, y'all see it. Oh, yeah, Jaylon's not healthy. It's like, yeah, but Jason's also still giving the team the best chance to win, like, regardless of me being healthy or not. But, I mean, for me, I ain't worried about it. At the end of the day, I know what I can do. and I know I'm getting better, and you can see it on the tape.

So, I mean, at the end of the day, that's all I can ask for. Well, we're glad you're back, man. Hopefully you get healthy, but hopefully the offseason will get you get to push that back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, no, I ain't going home. You got some big French to fry right now. I ain't going home right now. So, man, congratulations on the unbelievable season. Glad you got an opportunity to come back.

Stay healthy. Go out there. Hey, no doubt. You one step closer. No, that. One step closer. Man, congratulations. Hey, when y'all take care of that,

to get that win on Sunday, come to holl at us. I'll be back, trust me. All right, appreciate it. All right. I'll be easy. Jalen Johnson, quarterback, Chicago Bears. They play Sunday.

Take on the Los Angeles Rams. See, Ocho? Yeah. It's hard. Yeah, oh, yeah. To have surgery during the season and then come back. Because, Ocho, you rehabbing. Yeah, I know.

You're not trained. Yeah, I understand. You know, you know, well, I can't say I know I've had teammates that have had to do it. And you know, you know you want to get back fast as possible, because one thing you don't want to happen is whoever's your backup. You don't want him to get in there and start. Be bawling out.

Yeah, start bawling that. You don't want that. What you don't want is, oh, we win in games without him. Uh-oh. He do got a big number of why you, Ocho, now that you mentioned it, Ocho. Yeah. He do got a big number. And old boy ain't like we had substantial drop off.

Right. He's making 18, 19 million. Oh, boy, making two. Mm. Yeah, let's get this. Let's get this above books. That's why them quarterbacks, quarterback don't even let you take kneel down.