Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Thunder beat the Nuggets in G5 to go up 3-2, & the Pacers advance to the ECF!

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Shai Gilegeous Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Nikola Jokic and the Denver Nuggets to go up 3-2, the Indiana Pacers beat the Cleveland Cavaliers to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals & Stephen Curry is officially out for game 5 vs the Timberwolves & much more!01:47 - Introduction03:53 - Nuggets v Thunder21:00 - Pacers v Cavs40:43 - Steph officially out for game 545:39 - Mavs wont trade number 1 pick according to ESPN56:20 - Anonymous source on the Nuggs says Russ is immature(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to erase an eight-point deficit to win by seven, 112-105. Y'all know me. I am your favorite unk, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co-host, the Liberty City legend, the bingo ring of fame honoree. He's a pro bowler, an all-pro. That's Chad Ochocinco Johnson. And joining us tonight, I'm sure he's excited about his former team,

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They were the best team in the NBA all year. But to see them execute the last two games in clutch situation, the last five minutes of the ballgame, the game within five points, they've been sensational. The Thunder beat the Nuggets to take a 3-2 series lead. OKC double-digit score in Game 5. Shea, 31. J-Dub, 18.

Hardenstein, 15. Chet, 14. Caruso, 13. And Lou Dort had 12. This was a total team effort. Jokic came out. He was very, very aggressive. He wasn't looking to get everybody else involved.

He was looking to dominate this game, and he did. But he didn't get enough help. 44 points, 15 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, and he did it on 17 of 25 shooting, 5 of 7 from the 3-point line, 5 of 5 from the free-throw line. As I mentioned, 15 points, 5 assists, 2 steals. He only had 2 turnovers, and he carried a heavy workload 44 minutes. All the starters, Christian Brown,

43 minutes. Jamal Murray, 42 minutes. Yoke, 44 minutes. Michael Porter Jr., who gave them nothing in the second half, along with Christian Brown, they scored zero points between the two of them, Ocho. And they missed they were 0 of 6, I think, in the third and the fourth, in the second half. Aaron

Gorin had 37, played 37 minutes, had 13 points. Remember, you watch this game, and going into the fourth quarter, I know the Nuggets were very comfortable because normally the last time they were here in the second game, they got blown out. And it's like, here we are. We got an eight-point lead heading into the fourth quarter. We're playing extremely well. But the Thunder got a gear

that they can get to it. I don't know if the Nuggets are not hitting on all cylinders, they can get to that level. What impressed you the most about what you saw from OKC tonight? Well, you know, OKC, I always had them winning.

I definitely had SGA as MVP. I do like the Joker. I mean, when you win 68 games and the next team is in their 50s, I don't even know how many games Denver won. And the MVP's usually on that team. They have a really balanced team. They all play defense. And I think Joker is probably

going to be kicking himself in the butt, meaning he should be doing a little bit more sprints. Because if he's going to play 44 minutes in the playoffs, and sometimes if you look at the game, it's too easy. So sometimes if it's too easy, you're not doing those extra sprints. Because you're already getting 40 and 20 anyway, right?

And these are those games where you need to close out the extra defensive slide, the extra drive. And I think if Joker was in a little bit better shape, he pulls out this game by himself. But he did a lot. Ocho, you're watching this game and you see the Nuggets. They played extremely well for three quarters. They played really well.

Then they get outscored 34-19 in the fourth quarter. Jokic was doing all he could. Murray had 28, but it was a very inefficient 28. He had 27 shots to get it. He was 3 of 13 from the three-point line. Christian Brown, 43 minutes,

3 of 12 from the field, 2 of 8 from the three-point line. Michael Porter Jr. had played 29 minutes. He was 1 of 7 from the field. He was 0 of 5 from the three-point line. You can't play that many minutes

and only have two points. Christian Brown had eight points in the first half, none in the second half. They got no contribution. And when you get that kind of contribution, they had six guys in double figures. OKC did. When you watch this game and you see late in the game,

the two big guns, Shea Gilgis and Jalen Williams, take this game over. What impressed you most about what you saw from OKC, Ocho? Hey, honestly, I really think it came down to fatigue. Both teams leaned very heavy, very heavy on their starters. Obviously, obviously so because of the playoffs and the severity and the meaning and the importance of this game. OKC rotated their players in short spurts,

where they only had really one player over 24 minutes. You look at Denver, they had four players that played over 37 minutes. And obviously, when it came to those last five minutes of the game, you know, it was time to close out or they were switching late. It showed. Listen, Joker did what he could do. He just looked tired. But even when he is tired, he still show up to the party.

He still give you work. Yeah, he still give you that work. I don't know what Michael Porter Jr. I don't know. I don't know Porter. Michael Porter Jr., right? Yeah. Man, what a young boy like that doing, man?

Nothing. Getting cardio in. He has a sprained left AC joint. Oh, so he hurt. If we've ever had those, we know that's very painful. But if you can't get the job, at some point in time, if you can't get the job, it matters at some point in time. If you can't get the job done, you say, coach, I just can't get it done. Because you not being a threat, now you allow them to load up on Yoke.

You allow them to load up on Murray because they don't view you as a scoring threat. So now if you're not a threat, you are no good to your team because now they can go two on two, two on one, two on one. They can load up on Yoke. And you see that's what happened later in the ball game because, yeah, he hit a fadeaway three that I don't know how that ball went in, but it did go in. But Porter and Brown are going to have to give them more if they want to get back and come back to OKC for game seven.

What do you think they need to do in order to win on Thursday night in Denver to make sure they have a game seven, I think, Saturday or Sunday? Probably a lot more body movement. You know, the Joker had five assists. That's not normal. I think he needs to have 10 assists, you know, for them to— They can't make shots, man. You know, in order to get assists, they got to put the ball in the basket.

That's true. On the flip side, they got to put the ball in the basket. That's true. You know, Joker probably took it upon himself. But, you know, I feel like he's not in the tennis assist range, and I think that's going to be difficult. Like you said, it's going to fall on the players. They're going to have to step it up.

Because I'm looking at Jamal Murray. Think about it. He had 28 points. It took him 27 shots. Yeah, that's not – Christian Brown had eight points, but he had 12 shots. Michael Porter Jr. had two points. He took him 27 shots. Yeah, that's not. Christian Brown had eight points, but he had 12 shots. Michael Porter Jr.

Had two points. He had seven shots. So, and he was all five. So Christian Brown and Michael Porter Jr. They were two of 13 from the three. And so look, the thing is that you have to have,

if I'm playing the Denver Nuggets, what am I going to do? Am I going to make Jokic a score or I'm going to let him be a facilitator? But I can't let him do both because if he's doing both, it's going to be hard for you to beat him. Now, like you said, if he had 44 points and 10, 12 assists, would they win this game? But that means players are making shots because it'd be interesting to see how many potential assists he could have had had guys made those shots.

And that's the difference in this ballgame because late in the fourth quarter interesting to see how many potential assists he could have had had guys made those shots and that's the difference in this ball game because late in the fourth in the fourth quarter when it got time they made their shots okc made their shots and that's why you got six guys in double figures and you look at the rotation the nuggets are playing eight guys okc are playing 10 guys you see the difference yeah 18 minutes 11 minutes even i uh uh isaiah joe only played five caruso gave you 24 minutes jaylen williams gave you 10 minutes luke doran gave you 28 uh gave you 28 minutes and then your big guns uh gil just had 39 33 for hartenstein jaylen williams had 38 and uh chet hungren had 34 but that's what you have to have in a situation like this ocho you

gotta have your big guns to go. Hey, hey, uh, but that goddamn Lou Dort when he hit them three threes back to back? Mm-hmm. Like, look at that, Jaden Williams. Like, everybody collectively as a group, um, they play very well offensively in transition on both ends of the floor defensively.

Um, I think honestly, Meryl and Unk, I really want to ask you based on the way they performed tonight the way the Thunder performed tonight what are the chances you have them winning a chip this year even though they're young

can we get out of this series first get out of the Western Conference I don't mean no disrespect but I really think this series is over I don't think it's but I really think this series is over I don't think it's over I think it's going 7 what? I think it's going 7

you think the Thunder gonna let us in the public I can see it going 7 with uh cause you know the Joker's a different he a different beast

you know he got 2 games away that's how he looking at it and now I didn't necessarily think the Pacers was gonna be like a number 1 seed or beating a number one seed.

I was going to be good. But, you know, all the other teams are stacked. Giannis, SGA, right? And so, you know, I think the Pacers are coming out the East. And so I did have SGA. I did have OKC winning. I did have them favored to win this year. So I'm just going to be honest.

I did have them favored to win. But if they go up against Indiana, you know how that go. I'm facing town. I totally get that. I think that, look, Peyton Watson, I mean, guys were bad. I mean, the reserves came in. They hit three shots. They're 3 of 15.

Peyton Watson was 1 of 4. Russ was 1 of 7 Strahler was it Straither? Straither was 1 of 2 I mean 1 of yeah 1 of 2 so that's 3 of 13 shots

that's not good enough no that's not nearly good enough when you look at what they got what they got out of their bench they got 15 18 they got 22

you gave them 10 they got 22 so the thing is is that it's hard for yoke yeah and that's the thing about the playoffs it's really hard for your big guys to get a rest because the game get away from you just like that they take yoke out or they take murray out and gone now okay see goes on a run and that's's really hard. But, you know, Yolk knows he's going to have to probably play another 44, 45. He might have to play 46 minutes in order for them to have a chance. But they're going to have to shoot the ball better. 13 or 46 won't get it done. You shooting under 30% from the three?

And you taking that many? Yeah. Nah, they need to be somewhere between 35 and 38% if they're going to shoot that many threes. And they got to help, too. You got to have something from the bench, huh? Something from the bench got to happen. And the thing about it is, you know, Russell Westbrook at times,

you know, he's up and down. So he had somewhat of a bad game tonight. I doubt he has a repeat performance of that, you know, come next game. Because obviously you're back against the wall. You don't have a choice but to win this next game. Yeah. I think he's going to show up. He's going to deliver.

Joker's going to be Joker no matter what. And the MPJ got to show up. Michael Porter, whether you heard it or not. I think they got to drive the ball too. Sometimes that shot not falling. If you look at the pace of the game when they won, it was down seven and Hallenberger hit that layup. It was down seven for 45 seconds.

And what did Hallenberger start doing? He started driving. And actually, even in the first quarter, they were actually down that game. And then when the young fella McConnell got in the game, he started driving the ball to the basket. Once he started driving the ball to the basket, changed the whole game. You see what I'm saying? And I think sometimes guys are afraid to use that extra energy

to get to the teeth of the defense, that makes sense yeah it does but you look at uh that's not that's not michael porter jr he's basically who he's a wing player he's using the catch and shoot uh things like that he's not looking to put the ball on the floor obviously murray put the ball on the floor kristin brown can put the ball on the floor. Christian Brown can drive the ball. Gordon can drive the ball. Yoke can do some of everything. But that's, I mean, other than Russ, we talked about this at the beginning of the series. You've got to ride the Russ rollercoaster. I mean,

you're going to get a game where he gives you 17 points and six rebounds and five assists, but you're also going to have a game where he plays like this, and he's not efficient, and he's going to turn the ball over. You have to accept everything that comes along, the good, the bad, the ugly, and the indifferent. That's who Russell Westbrook is.

That's basically what he has been his entire career. Yeah, he can give you 30, but he can have a double. He can have a trip dub, but he probably don't have seven or eight assists. That comes along with it. Okay, we're understanding that now. We know where we are. We hope we know what we are. We know what we, we hope we know what we're going to get from Russ.

This. But the other guys, I need Murray to be a little bit more efficient. I need Kristen Brown to give me more than what he gave me tonight. Michael Porter Jr. Two points won't get it. You cannot play 29 minutes

and give the team two points. That will not cut it. Two points, four rebounds, two assists. Not nearly enough. That's not nearly it. Two points, four rebounds, two assists. Not nearly enough. That's not nearly enough against this team. Maybe, hey, maybe against the Clippers.

That was good. And if you go back and look at how he played in game three, he was great. Yeah. He was great in game three. He was one of the reasons that they won. But this effort that they did. Go ahead. Go ahead, Bella they did, that, uh,

go ahead, go ahead, Bella. I was going to say, thanks for having me on Nightcap. I got to catch this connecting flight. I'm over here. I'm in Dubai.

You're in where? Dubai? I just left Saudi. Now I'm connecting Dubai, coming back to LA. You know, they told me I'd be on the Nightcap.

I was like, man, I got to get on the Nightcap. But I want to say I'm honored to be on Nightcap. I love everything you do in the media, you already know so good to see yes sir have me again i would love to come back on a nightcap absolutely appreciate you stopping by for a few

months a few months uh metal thank you man appreciate it go catch that flight thank you my guys all right bro yeah i told you look yeah 34 to 19 they got outscored they were up by eight they lose by seven um and you you think about it they scored 28 28 30 and then they dipped to 19 that was not the quarter that you wanted to have your lowest scoring output give the give OKC credit they're a great defensive team uh they can they switch everything they can guard you know you got Jalen Williams that can guard Lou Dort that can guard even when they come They switch everything. They can guard. You know, you got Jalen Williams that can guard, Lou Dort that can guard. Even when they come in, you know, Caruso can guard,

Wiggins can guard, Wallace can guard, Joe can guard. They do a great job. Chad Holmgren and Isaiah Hartenstein doing a great job of protecting the paint. Shea is great at deflecting, getting deflections and stealing the ball. So they're a very good defensive team. I don't want to take anything away from them. But I do think that Michael Porter, he and Christian Brown are going to have to play better if they want to force a game seven

and come back to OKC. Do you make a coaching change? I mean, does a coach make a change? And with Michael Porter Jr. really not giving you anything, do you have somebody else play? Remember I said, and Joe said, you and joe said you don't want to mess up that and take the production that russ gives you off the bench i made that recommendation a couple of days ago remember i mean at this point you you definitely got to do it

i'm just sitting back against the wall you you you're gonna go home one or the other if he's that if he's that injured hell you can have Russ and then Russ can give you, what, two points? Russ gave you four. Russ gave you four in 20 minutes. But guys just got to be better. Guys got to be better. I mean, the bench

for the Nuggets were two of eight from the three. That ain't good enough. That's not good enough. But OKC is one win away from advancing to the Western Conference Finals. And thanks to a 1-12, 1-0-5 victory over Denver. Game six is back in Denver on Thursday. Great balance scoring from the Thunder. Six players and double figures led by what we presume will be the MVP,

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Listen to Ali and Me, now on Audible. Tyrese Halliburton leads the Pacers to the second straight Eastern Conference Final. 31 points, 8 assists, 6 rebounds, 10 of 15 from the floor, 6 of 10 from the three-point. I think in the second quarter, that's what did it. They were down by a minute and 19, and then Hallie hits like four or five threes. Flipped the momentum. He drove the basketball. He was

sensational. He won this game for them. And everybody, I don't want to take anything away from anybody because I thought Neesmith played well. Nembhard played well. Siakam, again, Ocho. Yeah. Siakam, 21 points.

Neesmith, 13 points, 13 rebounds. Miles Turner, 10 points, 7 rebounds. Nembhard, 18 points. Halle was sensational, plus 27, the highest plus minus. They shot 50% from the floor. They shot 43% from the three-point line. And they win this game. They go on the road.

Three games. All three games in the number one seed building, they won the ball game. And they won it in clutch situations. Playing great. Halle was putting the ball on the floor, getting to the basket. Or he was shooting

that rainbow three that was splashing nothing but net. Evan Mobley played great. Again, tonight, he was 8 of 12, 24 points, 11 rebounds.

You got 11 points. Darius Garland, he's still nicked up 4 of 16, 0 of 6 from the three. He had 11 points. Donovan Mitchell played 38 minutes,

8 of 25 from the floor, 4 of 13 from three, 15 of 13 from 3 15 of 21 From the free throw line 35 points I thought What really hurt them Yeah Is that

Donovan got fouled On a three point shot And he missed All three of them Won't you Yeah He missed all three of them Max Struess

Got great cardio And he didn't give you No points tonight 0 of 9 0 of 6, no free throws. It's bad. Yeah. At some point in time now, we got to start holding Donovan Mitchell accountable.

Now, we say he's a superstar, and he has yet to get past the second round. Now, they won 64 games this year. Got a very similar situation in Utah. At what point in time do we say, all right, Donovan, all these acrobatics and 70 points and 57 points in a playoff game and 50 points in a playoff game,

at some point in time, we need to see that progress and you move on to the next round. Go ahead, Uncle. I mean, hell, Cleveland just shot 38%, man, from the field at ninth. They were 25% from three. Hell, they had 23,011 turnovers.

I mean, it took goddamn Donald Mitchell. Shit, he had 35 points. We were 8 for 25. Yeah, he took 25 shots to get it. Took a lot of shots to even get it. And obviously the inconsistencies with scoring and poor shooting from the perimeter, it killed

any momentum for them or a chance at a comeback, regardless. The goddamn pace is everybody in double figures. That's how they do it. They do it by committee. Everybody in double figures and everybody contributing. So, I mean, no disrespect to brother,

to brother Donovan Mitchell, but he can only do so much. And obviously, Darius Garland is hurt. You know, it's evident. You can tell. But, you know, without a full roster,

there's really no way they're going to play. I call them the four-by-one team because that's what they do. They run up and down I call them the four-by-one team because that's what they do. They run up and down the court like damn four-by-one. They're looking to push the ball, make or miss. They'll take it out the net or they'll take it out of bounds, but they're looking to push the tempo.

They were doing a great job because they want to keep the ball out of Halliburton's hand because he's the point guard. He's the guy that's looking to push the tempo. They did a great job, but he got it going in the second quarter. And I think he had like 15, 15, maybe 15, 17 points in the second quarter alone. I think it was 15. I think he had 15 in the second quarter. And I think they were all made threes.

And he was sensational. He got it going. And then once he got it going, they settled in. And I think the thing was is that once Cleveland couldn't blow them out, they couldn't get any more separation, Ocho. He's like, man,

we were up by 819. We had the crowd into the building and here they are. They're still standing. We just hit them with our best. We hit them with a flurry that lasted about 10 minutes

and they're still standing. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. LeBron James tweeted, Hallie effing hooping. Where's the lames who said he was overrated? Quiet as hell. That boy nice.

Even more someone everyone would love to play with. Mind the game, pod. Tyrese Halliburton was voted most overrated by the players, and now he's on his way to his second straight conference finals. I think, if I'm not mistaken, they are the first four or lower seed to make back-to-back conference finals ever. Right.

That's right. What do you think it is, the reason why he's received so much hate? I don't even think, honestly, when it comes to this, if you ask all the players in the NBA, I guarantee you none of them voted. I guarantee you none of them actually voted for this.

And it's something that's construed up. It's a player's poll, Ocho. That's like saying, let me ask you a question. So the NFL, when they say the top rating on the players, you think they vote? Hold on, we ain't talking about the NFL. I'm just asking. Players, players. So if they don't vote for this,

they're not voting in the NFL, correct? Or when the baseball have a poll, who's the best player they voted? I don't remember ever voting. Did you vote? You didn't have that poll. Did they have that when you voted, when you played?

I have no idea. How far did the top 100 go back? I think it goes back probably like 2012, 2013. Oh, for real? Yeah, I just... Because if you ask the NBA players about this Bo stuff, you ask them if they voted... Of course they're not going to attach their name to it

because they're smiling in the man's face. Oh, okay. I see what you mean. Yeah. You think I'm going to say, yeah, I voted him most overrated? I just doubt it, man. I just think it's something that— Let me ask you a question. Well, how did they come up with his name?

Of all the players, there are 450 players in the NBA. 30 teams, 15 players per team. Listen, you notice they picked the top dogs, right? They picked the top dogs. So he's a top dog. I think it's just his game is not pretty. It's not aesthetically pleasing to most. Okay, well, say that.

That's why they said he's overrated. But let's not be disingenuous to say that the players didn't vote. They voted. I don't think they did. I'm just being honest with you. He can't be as good as he's been all season long, and all of a sudden, some players in the NBA that respect each other, unless it's a personal

issue, are going to say, oh, he's overrated. It's the fucking NBA. to say, oh, he's overrated. It's the fucking name. Oh, my bad. It's the NBA. It's the NBA for one. And you respect the player that's as good as he is and has done what he's done. But the problem that you have run into, Ocho, a lot of players are comparing them to who? Point guard,

Steph Curry. Who's another point guard? Shea Gildress. Who's another point guard? Luka Doncic. So when you... Okay, I like that you just said that. Comparison, like I always say, is the thief of joy, right? Okay, your comparison to Steph and SGA and all these other point guards, you wouldn't say he's

overrated. You'd just say he's not as good as them. Everybody just named. Aesthetically pleasing. Look at Shea's game. SGA's game. Smooth as goddamn butter. Look at... Got all the little kids, little infants. Can't FGA game. Smooth as goddamn butter. Right. Look at Shea. Got all the little kids, little infants. Can't even walk yet.

They shooting threes. Yeah. So it's different. Halliburton, you know, his shot looked like Sean Marion. You know, it's not pretty. He looked like Horace Grant when he shoot. I mean, it's just what it is. But he gets the job done.

Yes. In not a beautiful way. It's like you see a woman, you see a nice woman she you know she's cute and all of a sudden she turned around it's like ah it's not what you thought it was right but it it gets the job done right you you know i mean i thought you'd be yeah yeah but i but i think But I think the thing is, for me, I do believe, you know, Ocho. Yeah. There's a reason why when you vote, you go into a booth so nobody else knows what you're doing. I don't like that.

We need to get rid of that. Oh, my bad. I keep cursing. We need to get rid of that. Look at that. They got, I mean, Tyrese Halliburton got Rudy Gobert, Trey Young, Jimmy Butler, Bradley Beal, Draymond, Ja, Jewel Randall, Embiid, Giannis, Dylan Brooks, Paul George, Tyler Hero. All these guys were on there.

That's, man, I just, I don't know. No one who reached the NBA is overrated. True. Because what are you basically, because, I mean, if you're in the league, obviously, there's level to everything. Everybody that works in a Fortune 500 company isn't a CEO. They're not the CFO. They're not the COO.

So, obviously, there's levels to it. And I think that's the thing is that you're thinking, like I said, but every one of the players that's on this list has the ability to make players that didn't make this list look foolish. Bingo. In the NFL, the worst player on his best day

can make the best player on his worst day look bad. Absolutely. That's the NFL. That's NBA. That's MLB. The best pitcher can go out there and pitch six, seven, eight shutout innings. But then the worst pitcher can pitch seven, eight shutout innings. The best pitcher can go out there and pitch a third of an inning

and gave up eight, hit five runs, and he's gotten pulled. So when you look at it they're all professionals yeah in any in any profession professional can make another professional in said profession look foolish and you know what i think especially when it comes to the one percent nba nhl uh nfl i think the thing that separates all of the players is consistency, young. Yeah, for sure. Whoever can do it at a consistent level for a very long period of time. Some people are inconsistent with it. They can do it on one night,

but can't do it on the other. Correct. But consistently, just really, really good and really never fall up underneath that medium of, God damn, what the hell was that? It's just always good, and then sometimes it's great yes but you do realize like to be great is boring because you're doing the same

thing over and over over and over and i mean what do you think what do you think you think steph curry going to the gym and kicking the ball in the hoop? No, he's shooting threes over and over and over and over again. And he's warming up the same way over and over and over again. And LeBron James is doing the same thing over and over and over again. And Tiger did the same thing. And people are like,

that's boring. Greatness is very monotonous. Yeah. Because you're going and doing it over and over. It's the repetition. And so you don't do it so you can get it right. You do it until you can't get it wrong. Oh.

Mm-hmm. And that's what great, that's what great, Tom Brady did the same thing for 20 plus years. And he probably saved, I mean, he enjoyed doing it, but it was boring because he's watching film. He's going out there. He's getting his band. He's getting his body loose. because he's watching film. He's going out there. He's getting his band. He's getting his body loose. And he's throwing outs. And he's throwing sticks.

And he's throwing goal balls. And he's throwing overs. And he's throwing flat routes. And he's throwing post routes. He's doing that every single day. And the funny thing about it, too, is you talk about people that are great and great at what they do. And it's not even just sports, huh? It's not even just sports.

No, no, no, no, no. It's things that people can apply to their everyday life. But the hard part about it is nobody wants to continue to do the same thing over and over, let alone have the discipline

to do it consistently until they become great at something. Whatever it be. Whatever it be. Everybody looks at shortcuts. How can I get to my end goal faster? How can I get to my end goal faster? How can I get to my end goal faster? Never really wanting to put the work in,

but wanting the end result right away. Because we can get a microwave society. Hey, it never lasts, huh? Win a microwave society, Ocho. Because what I can do, I can stick it in the microwave for a minute and it's done. I ain't got to put it on the stove. I ain't got to watch it. It ain't got to simmer. I ain't got to go back and check it. I just put, hey.

Hey, but listen, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because anything that has instant gratification is not sustainable at all. It's like a one-hit wonder. It's like a one-hit wonder it's like it's like a one-hit wonder i mean i i wish i i you know what i wish we could like have a like a beyonce somebody that's been great for an extended period of time and to beyonce what i mean what did you do because all you hear is about how hard she worked she knows what she wants she goes in the studio and she's like okay i got it and she does this over and over, over and over,

over and over, over and over. All the greats did it. And people are like, man, how do you eat the same thing? Because I want the same result. I don't expect anything different. You think LeBron James expected anything different

than the greatness that he's displayed for 22 years? You think Tom Brady expected something different from the greatness that he displayed throughout his NFL career once he got in there? Of course not. That's why he did what he did. And you try to find ways to improve upon that. Tom didn't always do the TB12 method. He found somebody that's like, okay, I'll try it.

He had success. He never left it. LeBron got Mike Macias. Jordan got Tim Grover. Kobe had Grover. Boom. And so it is a greatness requires

not a commitment but a singular focus. A singular focus. requires a, not a commitment, but a singular focus. A singular focus. Jordan didn't have no race car team. He didn't have all this stuff while he played. Kobe didn't have all these.

Kobe was not trying to win no Oscar while he played. He had a singular focus. The greats have a singular focus. Now, they've branched off now. And when you see guys trying to build

their brand, then that's fine. But you have to, like, I think you get to a certain point, you're like, well... And I don't really know how much of their doing is that. Let's take LeBron, for example. Savannah's like, I've always wanted to be

a housewife. I want to support my husband. I want him to be the best at what he can do. I got this at home. Don't you worry about Bronny. Don't you worry about Bryce. Don't you worry about Zuri. I got this. You handle that.

Okay, now he has other endeavors. Maverick, you handle that. Rich Paul, you handle this. Randy, you run the day-to-day. You make sure I get from point A to point B, wherever we need to be. Boom, boom, boom, boom. He focuses on what he focuses on.

You see? Everything is from LeBron. All LeBron do is come down and eat. Hey, Savannah might hand him his jacket or something. He got a driver. He ain't driving. I told him one time, hey, I saw him him his jacket or something. He out the door and tell him he got a driver. He ain't driving. I told him one time,

hey, I saw him driving. I hit him up. I said, bro, hell, I didn't even know you have driver's license. I ain't never seen you drive before. He sent me a boy in the back laughing. I'm like, damn, bro, you can drive? You got driver's license?

He's like, yeah, yeah, I can drive. But greatness, it requires all-encompassing. Yeah. And that's why most people think people that are great, they're at their you-know-what. They got total vision. But if you notice, you ever seen penguins and pigeons hanging?

Birds of a feather flock together. You don't see penguins and pigeons hanging? Penguins hang with penguins and pigeons hanging penguins hang with penguins pigeons hang with pigeons eagles hang with eagles hawks hang with hawks that's why you see people of a certain status because you know why uh uh uh brian billig once told me he said he said uh shea you know why movie stars marry other movie stars? I'm like, I don't know. Maybe he don't understand it.

He said, because the other know what it's like to live in that world. They know what it's like to jump in and out of character. What do you have to lock in for six months and be something? And then all of a sudden, so now when I'm irritable and I'm moody, guess what? My partner did the same thing just last year. So I know he's going through she knows what i'm going through i can relate to it yeah i can relate relatability makes sense it makes sense but hallie burton hallie put on a show tonight he was sensational and uh they won this game clutch situation they've been great all game long.

I mean, you look at two games, Cleveland probably kicking themselves in the butt. Had it won, and they came back and lost. And Indiana came back and took both games. Could we get a rematch of the semifinals of last year in the Eastern Conference? Knicks, Pacers. Pacers go into MSG, win a game seven. It's going to be very interesting. I think Brunson got Nick last year, but he's full go.

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will face elimination without their best player. Does Golden State win this game tomorrow? I think they weigh the white flag. Honestly, I just honestly think that. I mean, I think they weigh the white flag. I don't think just honestly think that i mean i think they weigh the white flag uh i don't think they have a chance of winning the game without steph if they do have a chance we're gonna need jimmy butler to be jimmy butler we need him to be playoff jimmy correct we need buddy hill to be buddy hill that we saw score 30 i forgot what night that was he got to come out he got to have an out-of-body experience you you know? No, he got to have that game seven in Houston where he scored 33.

And then he came back the first game, and I think the first game of the series, when Steph got hurt, he dropped 22. Yeah, he going to have to have something like that. So, if anything, it's going to be a two-headed muscle. It's going to be a two-headed muscle from Jimmy and Buddy, if they're even going to contend and make it a game in general. If not, you know what? The fat lady might as well start singing.

I don't know what song she's going to sing, but she might as well start singing. I think the thing is, though, man, Ant-Man, he get you down, bro. He don't let you up. He from the South, he knows that old saying, killing that with a sledgehammer. Oh, yeah. Don't wave at him and shoot him and hope he don't come back. When you see him right there, you get your sledgehammer, you hammer his ass. You make sure. Bro, that's overkill.

No, it ain't. And that's how Ant-Man is. He had an opportunity to dispatch Book and KD, and he did it. He had an opportunity to dispatch Yoke and Murray, and he did it. He had an opportunity to dispatch Luka and LeBron, and he did it. Now, he's going to do it. I believe they opportunity to dispatch Luka and LeBron and he did it.

Now, he's going to do, I believe they're going to win. Steph got hurt, but it's going to be a nice pelt on his wall. I mean, he got to say, hey, if you know anything about hunting, I'm not a hunter anymore, but hey, they like trophies. And so they go, you know, they try to

go into Africa and they try to get the big seven, the Cape Buffalo, a lion or leopard. Yeah. And whatever the case may be, and they put it on his wall. That's what he's going for. He a big game hunter. And normally, hey, when he sets his target on something, when he sets his sight on something. I like it.

You don't miss. I like it. You don't miss I like it you don't miss um it's very unfortunate and we you see what's happened it's a war of attrition that's what it comes down to

injuries you see Steph get injured Donald Mitchell got nicked uh Jay uh uh uh Jason Tatum is out mm-hmm

ain't nobody feeling sorry for you? They're not. Hey. It's unfortunate. Unfortunate. It's unfortunate. And sometimes when it gets down to this, it's a war of attrition, don't you know?

Yeah. Who is the healthiest? Who can stay the healthiest the longest? That's what it comes down to. Actually, in any sport. We ain't even talking basketball. Whether it be football, NHL, no baseball,

especially your most important players, your Steph Currys, your Jim Tatum's. You know, they give you a chance. Just having them makes your job easy. Now you just buy somebody else an attribute. Do their part. And when you mentioned, you said a playoff Jimmy needs to show up. Even if he

shows up, he's going to need one more person to come along with him. Yeah, that's why I said he got to be buddy. He got to be buddy. Maybe it's Kaminga. Hold on, I forgot about Kaminga. He done had two games. He had two good games back to back. The guy

wasted. Because you know, hey, Drew Randall and Ant-Man, you know what they're going to give you. Yeah. So one Jimmy can't outdo both of them. So somebody, Buddy, Kamingo, somebody positive is due for a game.

Brzezinski, he hadn't played well. I'm not breaking news. I'm not interrupting your normally scheduled programming to tell you this. He hasn't played well. He's going to have to play better if they're going to have a chance to win this ball game. Yeah. So, they got their work cut out for them tomorrow. I mean, they would love to be in a situation, but

at this point in time, even if they win game five, I ain't bringing Steph back. I'm not finna run the risk of hurting that man. That's why I said they weighed the white flag. There's no need. There's no need.

Especially being down 3-1, there's no need to bring him back and put him through that and making him exert that kind of energy to even get us back in this series. Get healthy.

Hey, get ready to enjoy your off-season, Steph. Take you about two weeks, two weeks, a month off go on vacation you and Aisha take the kids on vacation somewhere relax don't even worry about it check back in when you get back

on the 1st of July yeah according to ESPN Tim's McMahon the Mavs won't trade the number one pick. The Mavs plan to select Duke Ford's Cooper flag and will not entertain

the possibility of trading away the pick for a proven superstar. Yes, there's no need. There's no need, especially not them. You want to piss the fans off even more?

Do you want to piss them off even more? I'm not sure there are superstars that you would trade him for. Giannis? I mean, Giannis is a good one, but I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. I like the fact of having Kyrie coming back healthy. You got AD, you got Cooper Flagg.

Let's see what they could become before we think about going to get Giannis. And I would have told Giannis to go into Miami, but that's neither here nor there. Rich Paul also says Cooper Flagg going number one overall to Dallas will allow him to develop on a reasonable timeline as a rookie. I agree. I think the thing is, it would be more reasonable had Kyrie not gotten nicked. Well, if Kyrie hadn't gotten nicked, they wouldn't be in this situation to select him.

So that's not here nor there. But I think he might have to pick up that a little sooner because Kyrie's probably not going to come back until January of 26, because he's coming to suffer that knee injury. So him, AD, I mean, when you're the number one pick,

Ocho, expectations are there. I don't care how long, you can say, okay, a year, two years, three years,

but the expectations are you're the number one pick. Excuse me. And when you're the number one pick, the expectation, you're supposed to be franchise altering. You're supposed to be generation. You're supposed to be damn near transcendent. You don't think that?

I don't know, but I'm saying, right. I i mean when you think about it ain't nobody said oh lebron gonna be able to develop on his own timeline shack will be able to develop on his own timeline kareem will be able to magic will be that is not what they said alan irons is gonna be able to develop on his own timeline ad will be able to develop on his own timeline. AD will be able to develop on his own timeline. That's not what they said. So, it's going to be... No, I think he can play. I think he's sensational. Oh, yeah. He's nice. Yeah, I mean, he's a big kid. Can shoot the ball. Can put the ball on the floor. He gave the U.S. team all they can handle

when they were getting ready, gearing up for the Olympics. So, he's going against NBA talent. He's played at an elite program. He knows the expectations. When you play at that program, you're number one overall. So nothing is going to surprise him like, man, I didn't know they expected that from me.

Yeah, you're number one overall pick. And when you're number one overall pick, they have lofty, lofty, lofty expectations. Yeah. And I believe he can reach them. I do. Yeah. I think he's going to be all right.

He's going to be all right. Shoot, he's always been that guy for a very long time. And just obviously his childhood dream is making it to the NBA. Being the number one overall pick, I don't think there's any pressure on him. At the end of the day, it's still basketball. You've been playing and you've been doing it real well for a very

long time. So this is what you wanted. Now you got it. Yeah. You got to show why you're number one overall. It's just like in any sport. You got to show. I need to see why you're number one overall pick. I got to see why you're the first round draft pick. I got to see why you won the Thorpe Award or the Player of the Year, the

Heisman Trophy, whatever the award is, we need to see it now. Yeah. Oh, okay. I see why you won that award, but okay, you got that. You like that. Okay. We good? Because you know the coach, you go, hey, what you think about the draft pick? He can play. He's going to be good. I mean, once

he figure it out right now, you can see he's processing it. But once he figured out right now he you can see he processing it but once he get it down yeah oh he's gonna be yeah he could be all right he gonna be you won't have to worry about it yeah i mean how many times can you think you could probably count on two hands or has it been more than two hands where a player's gone number one and it's been absolutely atrocious in football or or basketball? Basketball. Anthony Bennett? No, I said absolutely.

Anthony Bennett, he was out of the league in a year. Is that atrocious? What? Yeah. Well, goddamn. What year was this? Like, what, the year LeBron left? 2013? He's got to be old, huh?

2013. There have been a lot of guys, Ocho. He went number one? Number one. He was that good? Good and terrible. He was good enough to go number one and bad enough to be God of the league.

It must have been up here, though. It had to be something mental. I don't know what it was. Who else? Michael Olofkendi? Kwame? Greg Oden? Greg Oden was injured.

Yeah, Greg Oden knees. I remember that. Look, Kwame, I don't think Kwame was bad. He just, for whatever reason, he went to the wrong situation. He went to a situation where Jordan wanted a vet. And Jordan, like, fuck you, he should know know and there are things that kwame didn't know and there was no one there willing to teach it right and so he didn't get he didn't get like if he went somewhere now that had that that had us let's just say kwame had gone to the uh the spurs yes sir where they'll

give guys they'll work with a guy and give you an opportunity to grow. Uh-huh. I mean, sometimes you go on the team, Ocho, like you go to the Patriots, the Patriots ain't giving nobody no time to grow.

You come in as a first-round pick, just issue up and be ready to play. Right. That's it. And so I think that was the thing

with Kwame. I think he went to the wrong place. He needed to go somewhere where they were going to give the rookie, give a first-round pick or a high-draft pick

an opportunity to mature, to grow. That ain't what Jordan, Jordan's like, I ain't got that kind of time, bro. And, and think about it.

He went, then he goes to Kobe. You know Kobe, you know what Kobe on? He on the same stuff Jordan on. Yeah, that's, that's too back-to-back. Okay, Markel's fault.

Oh, no, but he bounced back, though. False, right? Yeah, Ocho. You do realize, like, when you're number one overall pick, they expect you to be an all-NBA and all-star. Oh, yeah, Purvis. He grew up there. I mean, I yeah, Purvis. He grew up there. I mean, I know Purvis personally.

He's from Savannah. Went to Louisville, led him to a national championship as a freshman, beat Duke. Damn. Well, they call him Never Nervous,

but then he stayed hurt so much they say Out of Service Purvis. Man, you know how they do, man. You know they be giving you a big day. Hey. But yeah, it's just the expectations, Ocho. With anything, when you go first overall, because Ocho ain't the one.

Yeah. You the first. You the number one. Yeah. Baseball, you look at a guy like Josh Hamilton had talent out the yin-yang. I watched him

in the home run derby at old Yankee Stadium. He hit it out the stadium. Uh-huh. But the demons got a hold of him, Ocho. And, you know, even though early on

he got selected number one overall from the Rays, he got tangled up. He got clean. Came back, hit 350, won the MVP.

They got him again, Ocho. Yeah. Now he, you know, broke. Yeah. Once he get a hold of you, man. Every day, Ocho. Think about it, Ocho. You can be sober for 10 years straight.

One time. You have to drive by a bar, a package store every day for the rest of your life. Yeah. Not turn around, not put the blinker on and go inside. Every day. You can't be around it. Yeah. If you were an adult,

man, you can't go hang on the corner with your boys if you know what they do. Right. My girlfriend always tell me and my brother, boy, association brings on assimilation. You hang around people long enough they're doing stuff, you start to do it also. It's hard to run in that circle.

It's hard to run in that circle where people are doing things that you know aren't right, and then you just walk away. Because eventually you're like, shh. Man, it's just one time. And that's the time to get you. It's just that one time that you decide. So birds of a feather do flock together. Penguins and pigeons don't hang.

That's what I'm saying. Because you know a lot of times, Ocho, you know, you with your boy, man. Man, I've been knowing, man, being Ocho, man, we grew up in the sandbox. Right. I've been knowing Ocho, man, Ocho, 163rd and 5th. Man, Ocho, man, I know his grandpa. His grandpa, my grandma go to church together. So it's that tie.

Man, Ocho cool, man, Ocho good people. Yeah. That's why. Associate with someone long enough. Association brings on assimilation. That's a good one. I'm just thinking and just hearing examples

just throughout life in general. I'm not even speaking in hypotheticals. I'm just saying you see certain people hanging with certain individuals and them knowing, well, that ain't your company.

That's not the kind of company you need to be keeping because you don't even rock like that, so why are you even associated with that? Ocho, I don't want to turn my back on you, Ocho. I've been knowing you, man. Ocho, I've been knowing you all my life. Right. Ocho, we went to church

together. I still go. You don't go no more, but I still go. Hey. Hey. So that's the problem that people were what do you hear ojo yeah he started hanging with that wrong that crowd yeah yeah and got it caught up in some some foolishness some bull job that he shouldn't have been in and all it takes is one. All it takes is one time. One time. That's how it always happens. That's it.

Ocho, you know as an athlete, we don't think anything's going to happen to us. We think we're invincible. We see stuff that happened out there in the real world and say, ain't no way it could never happen to me. I'm proof. Yeah. An anonymous player on the Nuggets says Russell Westbrook is immature, per Ramona

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I'll let you decipher them. Jay Williams doesn't want to hear excuses for Nikola Jokic. Oh, this, who said, oh, this is what she wrote? At Ramona Sherbert ESPN, Dirty Work, Ramona. How could you share and spread so many lies randomly for no reason and with such conviction? You're using his name for clickbait during the playoffs, How could you share and spread so many lies randomly for no reason? And with such conviction, you're using his name for clickbait during the playoffs, which is ridiculous. Trust me, I know the facts about literally everything.

Normally, I let you guys tell your silly lies. In peace. Enough already. Stop with the lies. Go Nuggets. Hey, you know, players do get into it all the time. Go Nuggets. Hey, I, you know, players do,

do get into it all the time. You know that. They do. I'm not sure why, why is this even, why is this even news? Okay, there's a disagreement.

Okay, I don't, I don't, I don't like the way you act sometimes. I mean, it's just, that's life.

That's sport. For people that have never been a part of a locker room or any type of organized activity, this happens all the goddamn time. Yeah. Leave it loose.

Uh-huh. Hell, shit, I'm sure with some time, Carson didn't like some of the stuff I did. I'm sure with time, Coach Lewis didn't like some of the stuff I did. What did they tell me?

Hey, well, I don't like that, but I need you to chill a little bit. Shit, Big Willie. Big Willie told me, stop talking to the Demons of Lime and TV timeouts. You don't have to deal with them. Hey, Big Willie, you shouldn't be that big with them. I'm just talking shit.

He said, yeah, you're talking trash, but we got to block them. Yeah, you're talking to trash the people you ain't got to block. So, I mean, okay, okay, I get it. There was something that, I mean, it happens. You have, you know, little riffraffs and, okay, they got into it. So what? Yeah, I've been very fortunate to be in locker rooms when stuff didn't get out um i think now you know i don't know if people pillow talk i don't know everybody

everybody can't wait and it's a certain player that knows all the goddamn reporters and always want to leak some stuff yeah oh it always it always comes from somebody inside the house. Yeah. Because I was, look, that's one thing. How was work? It was work. I mean, we practiced.

We met, we practiced. Oh, such and such, such and such call and say, I said, I don't know nothing about that. And I don't go no further. I know somebody called you and said this, but don't you call somebody else and say that. Right. Because I don't want that ish coming up because at the end of the day, you are a representation of me. Keep your mouth closed. What somebody else got going on that ain't got ish to do with you.

You worry about this house. Right. All that other stuff that's going on out there that ain't got nothing to do with you. Well, did you? I don't know out there, that ain't got nothing to do with you. Mm. Well, did you? I don't know about nothing. It ain't my business to know. It's my business to know Shannon's business and what goes on here, what you doing. That's my business. All that other stuff, what they're doing, I let them worry about that because I can't control their house.

I ain't in their house, so I don't know what you're talking about. Well, he said, well, she, I don't see that that's the problem right there. He said, and now you repeating it. I don't get down like that. I don't want to hear nothing about what's going on in somebody else's house. If it's not football related.

I ain't got nothing to do with it huh yeah no i'm a i'm like hey bro all i'm saying i ain't gonna go hey you need you need to tighten your screws down a little bit you're a little loose out here man sharp what you mean what you mean hey sharp don't go out but if Sharp know how did he know okay yeah so I'm gonna okay okay you right you right you right

you right okay that's all I'm saying cause I'm telling you you know I don't know how you do it wherever you were but Mike ain't gonna play that

Mike'll get rid of your ass yeah quick quick quick I don't know how you do it wherever you were, but Mike ain't going to play that. Mike will get rid of your ass. Yeah. Quick. Quick. Quick. Quick. So anything that's going to take your focus away from winning ball games.

Right. Not being attentive. You know, look here. That's one thing. Hey, you came to work at, hey, when you went to Dove Valley, Bronco Parkway, you went to work. All that other stuff. See, I try to warn them.

Because we had to see, we were one of the first teams that had cameras throughout the whole building. Yeah. In meeting rooms, big meeting rooms, training. I said, y'all do know y'all run out of here. Y'all get on the phone.

Y'all run out of here and you get on your cell phone. I said, okay. I said, okay. I said, hey, you know what I'm saying? Oh, hey. Hey, listen, I'm laughing because I'm guilty, boy.

Hey, you know how the bold people are like, okay. No. That's what my grandma, my grandma. Just a little nod, huh? Hey, anyway, hey, you brought back some memories, boy. You brought back memories Coach O yeah

for that time yes sir I didn't have to be I wasn't on special teams but on Friday so Friday there's like hey

and special teams coach would always say hey we're going to do hands teams so don't worry about it we'll go over it just be out there

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Man, Sharp. Man, you ain't never on the phone man you what i mean damn i said let me ask you a question where you think my girl think i'm at what do you think i think she's at because see y'all calling to check up if i got to do that i got to get me a new girl where do you think I think she's at? Cause see, y'all calling to check up. If I got to do that,

I got to get me a new girl. I don't, I didn't call to check up on you. Yeah. You don't call to check up on me. As a matter of fact, my phone was off. Now,

if something like, look, my phone was off. My nephew passed. They called, my sister called the Broncos. my phone was off my nephew passed they called my sister called the Broncos my phone was off they said Shannon such and such

Mike need to see you dang became I said yo what's up Mike say uh your nephew passed oh so your sister said

she's been trying to get in touch with you I said okay I called her called her she said she had my baby gone I was like alright I'll be there I said Mike I gotta go she said alright just let me know when you're coming back

I went home took care of my sister got that situated I came that was like a Saturday. I got back that thing that Wednesday. Right. I'm all business, bro. When I'm at work, I'm at work. I ain't talking to nobody on the phone.

I ain't doing all that stuff. I do all that stuff. And now I'll talk, you know, because it was two hours difference in time so i'm going to work i might call my sister or once i got done with work before it got too late because you know it's already you know seven o'clock my grandma going to bed if i wanted to talk to my granny i was like let me put granny on the phone right quick but other than that no i ain't about that all that talking and like i'm at work ocho what am I doing at work? Yeah, wait, boy, you better than me, boy,

we got two different approaches, boy. Hey, listen, when we leave that big team meeting and we got that

like that 10 minute break before we go to the office of meeting, I'm on that phone, boy. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm scrolling Twitter,

I'm scrolling, you know, because it's toward the end. You know, I got Twitter by that time, 2008, 2009, 2010. Man, I'm all on there, man. I'm having a good time,

you know, sending my tweets out and boom, I'm going to a meeting. Now, I don't take my phone with me to the meetings, but once I hit that meeting room, well, I'm strictly business. Oh, yeah, yeah. I never took a phone to the meeting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey a meeting yet when we got that break you know how black folks are when we get a break well we break oh yeah I ain't play boy you give me a break I'm going to Joan I'm going to Joan I'm bragging on somebody that's what I'm going to do

okay okay okay that's what we going to do then Austin Rivers said, cut the BS and name your source when speaking on another player's character. Let's take a listen to what he had to say, Ocho. Hey, listen, man. Y'all kill me with this anonymous s***.

Seriously. No more of that. I don't want any more people talking about they heard such and such about a player due to an anonymous source. Or I heard this guy wants out or he wants to be traded. He wants to be signed here. He's unhappy. I heard that guy's not a pleasure to work around, says an anonymous source.

Enough of the anonymous. If you're going to speak on a player's character, if you're going to come out here and talk about a player's personal life and certain things about them, either say it with your chest and say that you feel this way or if you're going to quote somebody else, say their damn name. I'm tired of the anonymous s***. That's never going to happen because if you did that, you would never get any information.

Well, how about not having to get information and the people that have something to say actually come out and say it? If you don't like something, just come out and say it. It's pretty simple. You know, I think it's like keyboard warriors. You know, people on Twitter talking trash and, you know, you can't get to them. So they say whatever they want to because they know it's the Internet.

I think, you know, for media or analysts or pundits that have issue with players or players having an issue with analysts or players having a big issue with players, I think we need to be, like I told y'all, we need to start just telling the truth. Just being honest. Just being upfront. One of the biggest. I think we'll make the world a better place. Do you know one of the biggest stories in American history with an anonymous source? Have you ever heard of Watergate? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Watergate, Watergate, Watergate. You know that started with an anonymous source, right? Can you imagine had that anonymous source hadn't stepped up, what would have happened? Can you imagine? Can you possibly fathom what the CIA was doing with those taps to Dr. King. Can you imagine? Yeah. Iran-Contra, I mean, did that ring a bell or anything?

Hmm. Did you realize if it not for whistleblowers and anonymous source, you would have never known nicotine was addictive. And they was putting it in your tobacco and cigarettes and chewing tobacco for the longest time if it wasn't for an anonymous source. And the Tuskegee study. So be careful when

you tell people to shut up. Oh, can you imagine if people never said a word? What kind of predicament we would be in? Mm-hmm. Are we sure? And I get it.

I get it. You speak of this. I get it. But are you sure? That's what you want. Yeah. I mean, listen, they would never be quiet anyway

because, you know, people can't hold water, huh? People can't hold water. They just can't. I think in certain situations, they should. Look, I get it. But this has been going, you know people can't hold water on people can't people can't hold water they just can't i think in certain situations they should look i look i get it but this has been going they make it seem like it's like an anonymous source just happened in the last five years right do they understand first of all it used to be a situation where the reporters would never tell what a player was doing

and they saw it used to be you know what hey i saw that hey what a player was doing. And they saw. It used to be, you know what, hey, I saw that. And you see me, I see you. Keep it moving.

And it's not like that anymore, Ojo. It's not. Because everybody, everybody, see the thing is now, it's not about being right, it's about being first. That's a good one. I got to be first to get this story. now, it's not about being right. It's about being first. That's a good one.

I got to be first to get this story. Oh, it's competition. Yeah, just in case I am right. Yeah. Do you understand how much money these networks play for these insiders? Yeah. That's why they can't turn their phone off even after doing an interview phone going off the hook

I gotta take this call I gotta step away see people see you mad at the amount of you mad at the person that's delivering the information you not mad at the person that told y'all think

how many times have Adam Schefter been wrong when you say a trade's gonna happen a coach is about to be fired, or somebody's about to do this. You're right. We need basketball reporters, and they talk about, hey, LeBron James is going to leave Cleveland. And LeBron James is going to leave Miami.

And LeBron James is going to leave Cleveland. And Kevin Durant is leaving OKC. Yeah. Hey, think about it. Everything I've said, how many times I've been wrong? At this point, for me, I just don't say anything. Yeah. I just say it and just walk away.

Because if I say something, they're going to know. I'll let them discredit me. Well, you don't know you're not in the locker room. Okay. People might say I talk a lot, but they don't say I don't know what I'm talking about. But that's not my job. My job is not to break news. I don't know what I'm talking about. But that's not my job. My job is not to break

news. I don't get paid for that. I'm not an insider. I don't get paid for that. But I do like to get information so when I go on air and I talk about something or I come on here and talk about something, I feel very, very confident that people are not going to refute what I say.

Hey, it pays to know the right people. It does. Never burn no bridges off. You never know when you need people. I would never give. I don't give a damn

if they got me in a court of law. I ain't telling. Right. That person gave me that information. Right. It's going to my grave. Mm-hmm.

Hey, on the, hey, off the record, off the record, off the record, bro. Put it in your words.

Right. Gotcha. Done deal. But the anonymous sources are not going to go away. No, it never will. It's been around for a long time. Because people want to know, Ocho. People want to know.

Yeah. People want to know. Man, I wonder what Giannis is going to do. Now, the Giannis watch is what Giannis is going to do now the Giannis watch is on who going to make a deal who's interested in Giannis where does your Giannis

want to go he that might be the case I told you but people people going to want to know and not when he not when

I don't want to know hell I don't want to know what O'Sent's dropping tomorrow. Nah, I need some previews. I need somebody talking about it like a week or month in advance. And let me get a little trailer too. Yes!

That's how it works. But I get, look, I get it, Austin. That, you know, they're talking about Russ. Look, for me, I don't think this, this is not the first time that people have said stuff about Russ.

Russ is used to it now. And his wife, Nina, has every right to defend her husband. I ain't got no problem either way. The funny thing about Russ, Russ don't give two,

two you know what. He shouldn't. He don't care. Yeah. He'll respond to you when he get ready, though. He'll let you know he don't give two you know what? He shouldn't. He don't care. Yeah. He'll respond to you when he get ready, though. Yeah. He'll let you know

he don't give to you know what. Yeah, exactly. So, look, I mean, that's not, like, earth-shattering news. Look, Russ has a, you know, his personality, you know,

sometimes comes off as abrasive. But that doesn't take away from the fact he's one of the 75 greatest players that ever played in the NBA. Y'all, everybody, Everybody want everybody to get along. They're different.

I mean, people have different personalities. And when you bring, I don't care. Hell, you don't even get along. Everybody don't get along with their own family. You think I'm going to get along with somebody that I don't know that from a different background, different state, different social economics or whatever. That's just the way it is, Ocho. That's why it's so hard to win. Because

no matter what, Ocho, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, a Jehovah Witness, Muslim, whatever the case, Judaism, whatever the case may be. We got a common goal. So I got to take all these different religions,

all these socioeconomic backgrounds. Yeah. I got to take all these different personalities. I got to take all these, you know, orientations or whatever the case may be. And I got to have one common goal. Yeah. One.

It ain't easy. Nah. Because think about, you get your family, you got a family of five. Get everybody to agree to what y'all want to eat tonight. Shh. Man, good luck with that. And you think you about to get 53 players

or you about to get 15 players or a baseball 29 player to agree and everybody get along. No, it ain't going to happen. Not even realistic. Common goal. All I want want you want to win that's all i care about all that other stuff on show i don't care about i don't care about none of that until it starts to impact winning yeah bro i don't care that's your life you live it

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