Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Thunder ROLL Lakers in Game 1 + Pistons IN CONTROL of Cavs + NBA Ratings BOOMING + Jr Smith Gets TRAMPLED in New York

Episode Date: May 6, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the Thunder beating the Lakers in Game 1, Pistons stay on track with win over Cavs, NBA ratings booming and Jr Smith g...ets trampled after Knicks game Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP   00:00 - Introduction03:00 - Thunder beat Lakers27:45 - Pistons bet Cavs57:25 - 2026 NBA Playoffs deliver most watched 1st round in 33 yrs1:03:40 - Clip of JR Smith getting trampled at Knicks game (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:05:22 It's one of the first time that he scored under 20 points. 18.6 assists, two blocks. Austin Reeves was atrocious. He was 3 or 16, 0.05 from the three-point line. He had more turnovers than he had field goals made. And I thought that was really. And you know what? It might not even made a difference, Joe.
Starting point is 00:05:42 I mean, I don't think we can expect LeBron. James, just be this efficient. I thought Roy played unbelievable game. DA got in foul trouble, so he really wasn't able to stay in for extended stretches. But he had a double, double, 10 points of level rebounds. You'd like to see that total go a little high. I thought Marcus Mark played okay.
Starting point is 00:05:58 He did a pretty good job on SGA. But with Austin Reeves giving you these numbers and the bench basically non-existent, you're not going to be able to be okay, see, because when their bitch comes in, they're going to be giving you max production. Joe, what is it about the thunder? Because we talked about it. You might be close. Three, four point.
Starting point is 00:06:15 They got a three or four point lead. And the next thing you know, you call a time match and down 14. And we saw that tonight on several cases. It's the pressure, man. It's the pressure that those guys bring. Not only at you offensively, Uncle Ocho, but defensively, bro. They fuel off them turnovers that they create. Look, we know OKC can score with the best of them.
Starting point is 00:06:37 But, man, listen, let me tell you something. They're trying to lock you down defensively, bro. They try to lock you down defensively. Hey, and I'm with you, if AR can't give a better effort to that, now we know he, you know, basketball is a rhythm and time and game, fellas. And he has been out for an extended period of time, at least a month. So, you know, when he first came back, he may have been playing out for drilling. But, you know, it takes a while, bro, for you to gang their rhythm back.
Starting point is 00:07:01 But I think that was probably the biggest difference. Like you say, I don't know if it would have helped. And I do think Bron can play like this the whole series. I think he can be efficient like this. I don't know if it was just me, but the game seemed real easy for him tonight. Well, look, Lou Dors, I mean, Lou Dors is a tremendous defender, but at 6364, he's not going to cause LeBron any problems.
Starting point is 00:07:24 LeBron is going to be able to get down on the block and be able to get whatever shot he wants. You know, he got off to that great start. I think he had 10 points in the first quarter. Excuse me, got another six in the second. Then he was relatively quiet in the third quarter and hit a couple of shots in the fourth. But that's not enough.
Starting point is 00:07:40 like I said, I thought, I thought DA was playing really well, but he got him foul trouble. So because I think he's a better offensive player than Jackson Hayes. Jackson Hayes is a better defender than he is. You'd like to be able to combine those guys and have create one player,
Starting point is 00:07:55 but unfortunately you can't do that. But yeah, I think you just, I think this Oklahoma City team, Jay Mitchell, he just comes in and just, I mean, right before the half, just think about it. He ain't made a three-pointed all night. and then with four seconds left for the half,
Starting point is 00:08:11 he gets an A.m. A.m. Yeah. And that is, this is who, this is who they are. And like you said, Joe,
Starting point is 00:08:19 I don't know, even if LeBron continued to play at this efficient level. And Rui keeps shooting the ball like he's shooting the ball. I still don't know if that is enough to overcome them because they're bench. You're basically getting nothing. And with Austin Reeves coming back,
Starting point is 00:08:36 what has done is kick Luke Kinnard out of his. Well, I think for the Lakers, bro, they got the turnovers. I mean, you get six turnovers between Smart and Reeves, and these are the guys who are handling the rock. I didn't think neither one of them played well offensively. Now, Mark is smart, you know, his game is really not predicated on what he's going to give you offensively. I think what he gives you offensively is great.
Starting point is 00:08:59 That's a bonus. But, I mean, hell, he's done a hell of a job on Shea, Ocho. Now, he held him to 18 points. Think about that. When was the last time he broke Willis? record of 120 plus games or at least 20 points. And now he held him under 18. So kudos to him for that.
Starting point is 00:09:17 But, you know, they had 17 turnovers. Marcus Martin only had two, but Austin Reeves, you got three made field goals. You got four turnover. He just looked out of sorts. He just looked out of sorts. I agree. I agree. What you like, Ocho?
Starting point is 00:09:29 What did you think about the game that you watch? I mean, obviously, what I did think is being that O'KC was off so long, Unkin, Joe, I'm thinking, before the game, started. If the Lakers are going to get a game, this would be the one. Yeah. This would be the game they do get because I think maybe, maybe the thunder come out, maybe a little rusty. Maybe they're not going to be in rhythm and the Lakers have a chance. LeBron playing very efficient. And the thing is, Joe, you said it, that pressure, that goddamn defense. Not only are they having their way offensively, but hell, they're getting points defensively too,
Starting point is 00:10:04 you know, making you mess up, you know, getting points in transition because of the defense that they are playing and goddamn Austin Reed even even even if he did play well tonight on I don't think it would have been enough I don't think it would have been enough and not only that when got them okay C goes to their bench they still getting production from the bench they're still getting production no matter what the no matter what the star in five do man the leg of the Lakers I hate saying they one-dimensional but yep they damn show is one-dimensional well I mean you playing against the defending champs fellas hey look I know I know I know Mark is
Starting point is 00:10:38 hell, Shaded 18 points, but he wasn't out there forcing that. Hell, he shot 53% from the field. It wasn't like, I ain't going to say he just shut him down. Now, I do think the Lakers are using that defensive strategy that they use against Kevin Durant. Yeah, yeah, trap him a lot, make him get a ball up. Yeah, we know Hardinstein can play, make. We know Chick pretty good.
Starting point is 00:11:01 We know Lou Dork can make shots. But hell, you're going to have to live with them guys being you, man, versus, you know, versus Shade going for 35, you feel me? So I thought Shade was actually great. He wasn't forcing anything. He just kind of took what the defense gave him. But if I would have told you, Shay was going to have 18 points
Starting point is 00:11:22 and only going to get to the free throw line, shoot three free throws. You're like, man, I really like the Lakers. Because that's what they did. Think about what OKC normally shoot from the free throw line. They're normally in the 20s. They shot 12 free throws. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:37 Hey, you see in that first half? Yeah. Hey, you see in that first half? You know, Shay, I'm not going to call the foul baiting. We see Shay was flared in a little bit on some of the shots down in. They're not, they go on the floor. They let them play. Hey, I'm happy with that too, because you can't call all that shit, man.
Starting point is 00:11:57 You know, some of them, some of them main files. He, you know, he flailing, you know, trying to get to the line. But that's what the great scores in this game do. You know, hey, but for me, but for me, Hey, but for me, man, you know, kind of like I've been stressing over last season all way through this season, Jake Holmberg, if he plays at this level, Anka-Ocho, this is why they'll be hard to beat, bro. I mean, he can do a little bit of everything, shot blocking, rebound, and scoring, playmaking. And at his size, he may not block everything, but he'll alter some shots, too.
Starting point is 00:12:29 I just think from top to bottom, they're so complete as a team, and the Lakers got to play so damn perfect. just to stay in the damn game. I'm like, man. Yep, you're absolutely right. And the thing is that when guys get broken down on defense, now all of a sudden the guy lays it up, okay, DA comes to challenge the shot, goes unfettered to the basket.
Starting point is 00:12:53 So now you get a easy put back, or you get Chet, dunking the home. And so now, okay, you get broken down on defense, guys rotate, now you're getting guys kick for a wide open. Okay, you come to trap, a chat at the top. at the top. Well, you're in the middle of court. You see his eyes getting big like, God.
Starting point is 00:13:09 Oh, y'all doing this? Y'all really going to do this to be? Ah. And he, a check was the beneficiary of a lot of those passes from Shay from him getting doubled, too. You know, I don't know, man. OKC just got too much. It's just going to be way too hard for the Lakers.
Starting point is 00:13:30 I honestly think to win a game. I ain't I do I agree yeah I think I think if they if it ain't go I don't think it goes past five it might not go five because think about this
Starting point is 00:13:43 you held shade of 18 right he only shot three free throws he had seven turnovers and you lose by 18 yeah with no J-dove yeah see LeBron James is 12 of 17
Starting point is 00:13:56 three of six from the free throw line he only shot one free throw he missed that because he had an A and one four rebounds I don't like the four rebounds because he got three of those in the four quarter. Yep, yep, I was saying that. Because there was a long time. He went almost three, almost three full quarters and didn't have a rebound.
Starting point is 00:14:11 I agree. Right. Which is very disappointing. Hey, hey, but when you think about it, I know you like how he came out, how he started the game. Oh, oh, he was super aggressive. Super, I loved it. I'm like, okay, this is my life.
Starting point is 00:14:21 Yeah, he had 10. I can, I can live with this. I can live with this. But if Austin Reed, you know what, this was the game for us to win, all lost to Reese had to do his play like he'd been playing in the regular Civa. That 23 points that he gave us, that might have been enough to get us over the top. With your LeBron playing the way he played, with Ruin knocking down threes, come on. I mean, you got to be able to guard somebody.
Starting point is 00:14:46 If Marcus Marr, I mean, Mitchell. So, I mean, what are you going to do? If you can't guard Mitchell, Mitchell, Mitchell Cook. Hey, that, that rhythm and timing. We can't take that for granted, man, because that's all it is for AR. You know, if this is regular season here, he'll be. He's splick out out there. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:15:03 He won't be, hey, he'd be getting to it. But I just seen a lot of miscues, just little small indecisions that he was making that was kind of costing them, especially them turnovers. They was crucial. Some of them turnovers, yeah, they were crucial. And he forced up threes, Joe. I mean, those three are good, I mean, I mean, you try, I mean, just because they hit a three on the other end, that don't mean you try to force up a 28-footer to get it back.
Starting point is 00:15:28 And that's, that's kind of how they been playing though. He's been playing like that all season. It's just, you know, during the regular season, hell, he was making them. He was in rhythm. He wasn't dealing with nothing. Hey, you see he got banged up tonight when they hit him in that, uh, they hit him in their rip. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:45 Hey. Hey. Hey, so, I mean, hey, uh, uh, well, more so for onk, this, this is not considered a failed season, even though they made it this far with Luke and Austin Rees being out, you know, the back half of the season, right? Well, no, I mean, but it, no, it's not. not, but at the end of the day, whenever you got LeBron James on your team, the expectations will slip through the roof.
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Starting point is 00:20:10 I mean, shoot. I mean, and I think you can, we can agree to Joe, I think is that if they were to repeat, I mean, we got to, now we got to start looking at, okay, where are we putting this Thunder team? Against all,
Starting point is 00:20:27 some of the, some of the greatest team ever. They're going to be. Because they won, what, 64, 65 games last year. They had another 62, 60s, 62 wins, a 62, 63 win season this year. They're going to have the back-to-back. They got the raining and they're about to have a back-to-back
Starting point is 00:20:42 MVP, regular season MVP. They win it. They're going to have a finals MVP back-to-back. At some point in time, we're going to have to start looking at them okay. We know the 80s Lakers. We know the 80s Celtics, the late 80s, early 90 pistons. We're going to have to start looking at them in a historical turn. I think it's going to depend on,
Starting point is 00:21:04 how they finish, meaning like, are they going to sweep through every round and get to the finals and sweep through the damn finals? If that's the case, Uncle Ocho, now we really got,
Starting point is 00:21:14 we really got to have a real discussion. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because they swept through the first round. Obviously, you know, this is one game, first game, but I think we all pretty think
Starting point is 00:21:26 they're going to beat the Lakers unless Broncan go for one of them 50-point games. But, well, no, no, no, no, no. he's going to need by two or three of them. One fidget point game was only going to get you one victory. You still need three more.
Starting point is 00:21:40 So he's going to have to have a 2018 season, Joe, where he average 34, 8, and 8, and he had 8.40 games. He's going to have to have a series like he had against Toronto, a series like he had against the season. But he's capable, though. Like, I thought tonight, with him having 10 of the first 16 points, I said, oh, shit, bro, I'm probably going to get at least 40 tonight. With 40 points, you know, that would have kept you in the game.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Now, I wouldn't anticipate Austin Reed's playing like this offensively. You know, him and Mark is smart not making shots for real. But, man, that'll give you a chance, give you a fighting chance. The problem is, Joe, as you get older, you just can't sustain it. You see, man, after like a couple of trips and that pace picks up, you see how he walks up to court? You see how his chance be up and down? You can't sustain it. checking about. I mean, the mind willing, but the body just ain't able. I know, man. I know. I know.
Starting point is 00:22:36 It's tough. I just figure with them having a few days of rest coming off their series, I thought this would have been a great game for him. Obviously, he was super efficient, but probably go for one of them 40-point games, man. Because if I'm him, I'm thinking, yeah, I want to get some of these other guys involved and hopefully somebody can have a breakout game and I can match him on our squad, but the rate he was going to start the game, it just looked so easy to me. I'm like, hold on. Damn, I know OKC is a pretty damn good defensive team,
Starting point is 00:23:08 Ogden Ojo, but he was making, man. It made a matter of fact. Because Jay Will, J. Dub is a little taller. Yeah. So he might bop, but Lou Dohert is not tall enough. Lou Doort and Houston wasn't tall enough, and he ain't gross since he got the OKC, so he still ain't big enough.
Starting point is 00:23:25 I mean, the way LeRom made a look at the, at the beginning, you know, and I didn't have them to win the series. I said maybe they would get a game, maybe two, because Oklahoma has too much to deal with offensively and defensively. I said maybe it got to be tonight's game because it's not to have so many days off. It got to be tonight's game.
Starting point is 00:23:49 And man, man, them boys ain't miss a beat. They did, man. I mean, because think about it, they led a large part of the first quarter. Yeah, they did. And then what you call them, and then what you call them hit him with a run, and now you go in, you down at the end of the first. And so this is what they do to you.
Starting point is 00:24:05 The end of each quarter, they go on a little spurt. So now of a sudden, a game that was close that was tied, you're down four. Okay, you're back and forth. You back and forth. They go on another spur to end the first, the second quarter. Now you look up and you find yourself down like,
Starting point is 00:24:20 damn, we down eight. You play good all the way through. the third quarter, they go on another spurt. You look back up and start the fourth. We down 14 damn points. And we play in pretty good. That's the crazy part. And when you look at it, the Lakers are not built to come from behind.
Starting point is 00:24:43 They're not. Once they get down, it's like, damn, they get down by 10 or 12 points. I'll be thinking the game over with. They just don't have enough firepower. I wouldn't necessarily say five power. They just can't get stops. They can't get multiple stops against us. OKC team.
Starting point is 00:24:59 That's the problem, Joe, is that they don't have the defenders that you can turn up the intensity. I mean, LeBron played the passing lane and got to steal, you know, got to steal. But they didn't get a whole lot of runouts. And you got guys that can handle the ball. So it's not like a Houston where guys, you see when they was down game three and they got six points in the final 30 seconds because they don't have guys that can handle the ball. But in a situation, in a situation like what they were. with dealing with tonight, shake and handle the ball. They got ball handles in that situation.
Starting point is 00:25:31 So it's just going to be tough. I mean, they got to basically, they got to go into the third, the fourth quarter, up a couple of points and then get it to clutch situation. The last two minutes, they need to, they still need to be up five points. In the last two minutes. Yeah. Hey. Because, look, they just don't, they just don't, they just don't.
Starting point is 00:25:57 don't have enough. Jared Vanderbilt suffered a full dislocation of his right pink finger. Pershams, Lakers lose game one, but Vando tonight, no timetable is set for a possibility of his return. Man, the next game. Huh? Man, if he don't wrap that thing up right here next to that finger, man, and go play some ball? And plus, it's his right hand. It's not a shooting hand. And maybe that would have. Yeah, he's good. Because he's shooting, Joe. Yeah. He ain't played for six minutes. It was like he out there raising some hell now. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:26:31 So how much are they going to miss it? Right, right. Yeah, man, you know, take, a, tape, a Joe, man, take them two together right there, man, you're going to be just fine, man. See, the thing is, though, in basketball, even when you, even when you tape them, they're going to get hit because that's just
Starting point is 00:26:47 part of the game, you know, trying to rebound, grader, yeah, yeah, using your hands for defense. It's just so much. So I know it's going to linger, but he ain't an offensive guy, man. He'll body that they need, their energy and effort. That's what they need for me. Yes.
Starting point is 00:27:01 So I'm sure he'll be playing next game. I can't see him sitting out. Well, you know, that's what we do, Ocho. We take the fingers together. People don't realize how hard to catch a ball when you can't spread your fingers. Because you used to being able to do this, and now all of a sudden you're doing that.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Yeah. And just that little bit throws it off. But I played with a thumb guard because I had, you know, I would dislocate or dislocated my thumb one time. So I played with a Yeah. Hey, you never know how I'm pouring that thumb, you know, boy, until you hurt that, my boy, please.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Yeah, until you can't use it. Oh, you ain't got to tell me nothing. Try brushing you, try doing anything without the thumb. Your thumb will be hurt. Hey, hey. You try to brush your teeth like this here? Hey, you tried to, you try to shower with your four fingers. They, they throw them in that damn big toe, boy.
Starting point is 00:27:50 Hey. Hell, yeah. But the Lakers lose, even though the OKC did not play. their best game, they still find a way to win by 18 points, lets you know just how talented, how good this team is. When you can play sub by your standard, subpart basketball, and still win by damn near 20? You're damn good.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Yeah. You legit. Yeah. You legit. I agree. The boys. SGA had 18 points, which is the first time he scored under 20 this season. The last time SGA scored under 20 points was in game three.
Starting point is 00:28:27 against the Denver in the 2025 play. Hey. So damn near a whole year. He had seven damn turnovers too. Hey, I'm telling you that that defense that they play, bro, it confuses you, man. Yeah, hey, we, you look at statistically, you look at Kevin Durant's turnovers. Hell, how many he had one? He had eight, eight, nine damn turner.
Starting point is 00:28:48 Yeah, nine, I think. Yeah, because it scores, bro. The last thing you really want to do is get up off that damn ball. You know, you got, hey, guys who like, to score the ball, bro. They're going to hold on to it as long as possible to see, are you going to continue to bring this trap? And I thought they confused Shea a few times,
Starting point is 00:29:05 obviously because he has seven turnovers. I think the Lakers got a good strategy, defensively, Uncle Ocho. They just got to find a way, bro, to string some stops together. So they can stay close. Once they get down by 10 or 14, it's a wrap.
Starting point is 00:29:23 It's a wrap. And you got the offense to be able to crawl back into the game. You don't. And the problem that they have is that they turned the ball over Joe, and they take some ill-advised shots at times. I'm looking like, Austin, why would you take that shot? I'm like, and then I'm looking at like Rui, I'm like, and I thought Rui played okay to do.
Starting point is 00:29:48 Yeah, he did. I really did. I thought he made some big-time plays. But I'm like, that's not the shot that we need right now. now. Yeah. You know what? You know what?
Starting point is 00:29:57 Because all you're going to do, they already got the momentum. And I guess, I guess sometimes, Joe, you want to quail some of that momentum. So you want to come right back at them. You hit him right away. But the problem is if you miss, now they're right back at you and what was the 10, 9, 12. And that crowd started going crazy and they never was really able to overcome that. Go ahead, don't you want to say? I was going to say it all come down to shot selection.
Starting point is 00:30:20 You know, when you're in, you're in a situation like that, you know, being confident, being able to get to your spot instead of just taking LVIA shot because they hit one. Now, you try to go down and get one, but if, let's, let's not get it from three. I mean, put the ball on the flow. Take somebody to the hole. You try to get yourself back into the floor of the game or get yourself back in rhythm instead of just shooting them goddamn shots up like that. Hey, shots come far few in between against this OKC team.
Starting point is 00:30:46 So when guys see a crease or an opportunity, Uncle Ocho, hell, they're trying to get one off. Hey, hey, them boys sitting down, man. They guard. They got great guys who play individual defense, but they are great defensively. They are a great team defensively. So it's going to be tough. I think they're going to always make it tough on Reeves and smart.
Starting point is 00:31:10 They got to find ways to continue to be effective. Obviously, we know smart will, but they got to find a way to get Austin Reeves into a rhythm, bro. A-Sail. And DA is going to have to stay in the game. He's going to have to just keep his hands up. and not foul because it really hurt because I thought he was playing really good.
Starting point is 00:31:27 He was hitting a turnaround jumper. He was doing great on the glass. He was challenging shots. But when he goes out, now that's a big body that you don't have in the game. And at least you can give him the ball. He'll face up. He can put the, you know, he can shoot the little six to eight footer.
Starting point is 00:31:44 That's not Jackson Hayes game. Jackson Hayes is a lob put back guy. And if he's not getting those, have some turnovers, some ill-advised turnovers tonight. But look, it's one game. I don't want, I'm not sure they can, I'm not so sure it's going to be, it might be much worse.
Starting point is 00:32:04 What's that? Yeah. Thursday? But we go. Hey, well, which, which game you're going to? You're not going to, you're not going to submit yourself that type of. Game three. No, I'm going to game four next Monday.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Okay. So that's like the game they might get swept it. That might be, oh, man. And the thing, hey, Ocho, man. Yes, Every time I've seen the Lakers play, OKC, they lost. Hey, how about you just don't go? I thought about it.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Yeah, just don't go. You just went. When LeBron, when LeBron, when LeBron broke the score and record, they played O'KC. They lost. I was at that game. I mean, he had like 30. I think he had like 36, 38. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:52 He sent me that ball. Hey. Hey, but you just went to a game and they won? Yeah, but not when they play OKC? Hey, it's two teams when I watch them. Hey, Memphis, they beat hell out Memphis, be it playoffs, be it regular season. Right.
Starting point is 00:33:14 They beat the Hawks. I saw him beat the brakes off the Hawks too. Okay, Lakers. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I haven't seen them have one of those, like, I was almost going to go to. the game they played it was a Saturday game and they played the Warriors that was the game Joe he dropped 56 on the Warriors I was like damn it do it he going a hey he going to do it that was I mean he was having
Starting point is 00:33:40 an unbelievable because he was having an unbelievable season that year that's the year he average 30 he going to a A A and him and our joy L and B was going down for the going back and forth for the scoring title uh the pistons beat the cabs 111-101 and 101. Cage Cunningham had 23. Tobias Harris kept up his hot streak. I got it. He had 20.
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Starting point is 00:37:54 Well, we know LeBron was a part of that. Game two is Thursday night in Detroit. Donovan Mitchell scored 23 points, ending his NBA record streak of scoring 30 plus points and nine straight series openers. Jared Allen was limited to two points and three rebounds coming off a 22 and 19 performance in an elimination game against Toronto. I thought that was really the difference in the ball game. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Is that he really didn't give him anything. Joe, I need you to help me out. What is it what hard in these turnovers? Man. Oh. What, he got 43 in eight games? He got 43 turnovers in eight games, Joe. What he had, seven in night, huh?
Starting point is 00:38:36 Hey, listen. Do y'all see the pressure that them boys putting on him? Everybody know now. You know what it is. Okay, Ocho, they pick his ass up full court. They wear him down, bro. That's what they do. And you know Detroit, look, his greatest K is offensively,
Starting point is 00:38:51 he's one of them guys who pick up full court. look at Ammon Thompson. Assue Thompson. He's a guy who pick up full court. Their youth comes in the player. Hell, how old is James? They got to be like 34, 35, 35, 34, 35? I'm assuming.
Starting point is 00:39:10 35, 36. But, yeah, them young, hey, man, them young boys picking up full court, making them work. Yeah, they're making them work, okay, Hocrow. They're making them work. So, you know, hey, hey, they got it. You're making Donald Mitchell work too. Yeah, yeah, because, hey, look, at one point,
Starting point is 00:39:26 Neither one of them was really playing well. I think they was able to get back in the game here. They tied the game in the fourth quarter, and then Detroit took off on another run. But I just, I don't know what it is about Cleveland, man. I mean, Jared, I mean, Allen coming off that huge game and then how he can come out here and get you there? Two and three.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Come on, bro. That's it. Did he get hurt? Because he only played 18 minutes, but damn. And looking at his numbers, that was 18 more than he should have played. Right. I think what happened Struz came off the bench
Starting point is 00:40:00 and he caught on it caught hot He called fire Maybe they were playing Mobley at the Five a lot But I think you know Struz came in Gave him great energy Stroda did too
Starting point is 00:40:10 Cleveland They got enough to win They just can't get consistency from From certain guys They're big They can't get You need your bigs
Starting point is 00:40:20 Well if you really think about it You need your bigs Them bigs Mobblin and Allen You need them consistently be dominant, Uncle Ojo. You need them too, bro. They should be
Starting point is 00:40:33 with those two guys together should give you somewhere, somewhere between 30 points and 20 to 28 rebounds a game between the two of them. Yeah. You got two seven footers. Yeah. They should own the glass. They
Starting point is 00:40:49 got 12 rebounds between the two of them. I agree. They got 16 points between the two of them. That's not enough. And considering they only play with one big, they played them with Duren. So that means Tobias or somebody else got to take Mowgli.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Yeah. Mowgli. With Tobias Harris on you? You're simple. Hey. Hey. But hold on. Only one of them is an offensive presence though, Unk.
Starting point is 00:41:21 Jared Allen more of a defensive presence. So having, having me, between the two of them, having him 30 me, Alan might give you a game like that, what, every so often? He should be a joke. Even, I'm not counting on him because I'm not running play for him.
Starting point is 00:41:38 But I don't think it's asking an awful lot for him to give us 12 points and not. Of the glass. Only to give us 18. I don't think that's too much. It's not. And when you look at it, Detroit didn't even really play great.
Starting point is 00:41:52 You know, and for them to win like this. Like I said, I think we'll like four. or five minutes left, Uncle and Ocho. It was a tight game. I seen Hardin at the line shoot two free throws, but I don't know, man. You know, Cleveland got to find some consistency somewhere just to get a game. It's going to be tough to beat these boys because they've been tried and tested in their first round, you know, sometime they'll wake you up.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Tonight with James Hardens, 181st playoff game of his career. It was the 45th playoff game that he's had as many or more turner. than field goals, which is exactly 25% of his career postseason games. He's turned the ball over as many or more times than he's had many fields. Yeah. Yeah, man, they keep track all that up? Absolutely. Hey, he got a tone that down.
Starting point is 00:42:48 I'm saying he has a tone that down because the turnover that I've seen that he had, bro, they laid. They laid the easy buckets. They led to points. And you're right. He has a final way to cut that down to about two, two, maybe three. You know, in order for them to even stay in the game in this series, bro. Them turnovers, man, these young teams going to fuel off that.
Starting point is 00:43:14 Yeah, yeah. But you know what I know. But here, the thing that he's running into, Joe, and correct me if I'm wrong. See, when he's in Houston, he had to do a lot more. Bro, you would a better team now. Even when you were in the clippers, you were the better team. You shouldn't have to think that I have to do more because you have more help. He's still thinking he's in Houston where he doesn't have the help that he has now on Cleveland,
Starting point is 00:43:38 that he has with the clippers, that he had with Sixers, or he had with, let that seek out. 45 of his 181 games in the postseason, he's had as many turnovers or more than made buckets. That is James Harden, one of the greatest scores this game has ever seen. Joe, we were having conversations just five to six years ago. Who's a better one-on-one score? James Harden, Michael Jordan, or Kobe Bryant. We were having serious discussions. Not just us, everybody was.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Yeah. Because we watched James Harden go 25, 30 straight games, are giving you 30. He was the first guy with a 60 point triple double. We watched him just go crazy. And we like, have we ever seen, I'm talking about ISO. Have we ever seen anybody that's a better ISO score
Starting point is 00:44:44 than James Hardin? Maybe not, bro. Not. But we get him in the playoffs. We saw him against the Warriors. I think he got the record. I think he got 14 turnovers in a game. Joe.
Starting point is 00:44:59 how many playoff games did he have double digit turnovers? I think he got like five or six. Which is crazy. And I understand he's going to have a high usage rate. He's led to league in usage. He has the ball in his hands. But when you turn the ball over that much, it's going to be hard to win.
Starting point is 00:45:22 And you know what's crazy is James is a great off ball. He can play off Donovan Mitchell. He can play off the ball. It ain't like he can't catch a shoot on the Ocho. He can catch and shoot with some of the best of them. But the problem is that what you have is, once a guy like that gives the ball up, I'm faceguarding, bro, y'all are playing four-on-four.
Starting point is 00:45:41 So he understands that's going to keep him, he ain't going to be engaged in the game if he just continue to play off of Donovan and Mobley and Allen. So he, you know, certain situations, certain situations, he kind of force it. You know what I mean? So I think he has to find a happy medium in that, and they got to find ways
Starting point is 00:46:01 and take some of that pressure off of him, get him some easy bastards because he'd be forcing some stuff out there from time to time. But here's the thing, though, Joe, and it's really hard, and I think you've got to give him to Bronz some credit. When you used to having the ball,
Starting point is 00:46:17 James Hardin has had the ball in his hand for a decade. And now you ask him to give it up and play off of it. It's harder than you think. It's like being a number one receiver and all of a sudden, don't you know, they say, well, go to number two. two or go to number three.
Starting point is 00:46:32 What you mean? Hold on. What you mean? What you mean? Now ain't the first read. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm used to hear it. Hold up.
Starting point is 00:46:38 I used to hear you tag something. Yeah. I'm here to you say Z out. Whoa, whoa, hold up. Now you said X dig, Y shallow Z out. That means I'm like, I'm third. Right. So that'd be you, if Ocho is available.
Starting point is 00:46:55 So that means if he's available, I ain't going to get the, I ain't getting the ball. But if he's not available and here come to why, I still ain't getting the, whoa, hold on time out, man. It gets, people don't understand. And people are, oh, it'll be eaten. No, it's not. Right. When you've been the man and all of a sudden you're not the man. Hey.
Starting point is 00:47:20 Because guess what, Ocho? All they still see is hard on the back of that jersey. They see 13 or whatever number he is and they expect you to do exactly what you're doing, even though you don't have this ball in your head to be able to do it. Right. How do you expect me to get you 1,500 yards and I'm catching 50 passes down for my night? The hell? Hey, hey, they got to take, they, see, taking the ball out of his hand,
Starting point is 00:47:45 it's going to take his usage rate down, which is going to take his scoring down. And then everybody's going to be like, oh, damn, well, this ain't the same James it used to be. Well, of course he's not. He's playing on a much better team. Now he's probably just getting. giving you 19, 20 points a game versus giving you 27, 28. But damn, your usage rate
Starting point is 00:48:05 that ain't the same, bro. We don't need that. But guess what, Joe? You give me 45, 50 with seven turnovers. I'm overlooking that hot. What turnover? I ain't, you don't turnovers. Now, Joe, you give me 19 points
Starting point is 00:48:20 and you got seven turnovers. I'm looking at your stuff with a microscope. Yeah. So for so long, he put up those goddy numbers. man, you ain't even thinking about no turnovers. It's kind of like Luca. Luca has a high turnover ratio. But he's so proficient at scoring the basketball,
Starting point is 00:48:39 man, damn, I don't damn them turnovers. Right. And you don't really think about them until they late in the ballgame or they cost you a game. And then you're like, well, damn, Luca had this many turnovers. But you wouldn't say anything
Starting point is 00:48:52 when he had dropped 45 at that point. And so I think that it's hard for Jay. It's hard to reinvent yourself. When you've been this way one time, basically since he left O'KC, he's been the guy. Yeah. He's been the guy. He's used his offense has been his defense,
Starting point is 00:49:12 Uncle Ocho, because he could outscore anybody he's played against. But now, you know, with that toning down a little bit, hell, man, hey, you got to sacrifice a little bit. You know, you say you want to win. Your numbers may not look as gaudy as you will want them. to you know what I'm saying so no but that's that's the sacrifice that comes on with it you got to be willing to you have to give up something yeah and you know Katie going to okay C I'm excuse me going to yeah warriors even Steph sacrificed his game Katie sacrificed some of
Starting point is 00:49:47 his game Clay not all of a sudden he went from the second option to the third option yeah but in order to win if I'm trying to win a championship if my goal because everybody says they want to win a championship. Right. But a lot of times, Joe, they want to win a championship their weight. I want to win this championship,
Starting point is 00:50:03 but I still need to get my 32. I ain't trying to get 24 in the championship because y'all ain't going to do me the same. And you know what? And you know what, Uncle Joe, that add even more pressure. Not only is it the playoffs, right?
Starting point is 00:50:15 Yeah. Then we're taking the ball out your hand. Then you got to, now you worried about turning the ball over. And then on top of that, you got to be efficient because you ain't got the ball being able to shoot like you want to,
Starting point is 00:50:26 like you, did before. That's correct. Yeah. Hey, look. But he's aggressive. I mean, think about it. He went to the free throw line nine times.
Starting point is 00:50:36 Donald Mitchell only went to the free throw line twice. Shot two free throw. Oh, oh, you know, can't nobody seek out contact better than James Hardin. You watch the game. I'm talking about he uses your aggression to his advantage. Every time, I'm talking about every time. You make a mistake on defense, okay, Ocho, he's going to make your ass pay. He's going to go on to the line.
Starting point is 00:50:57 You come out there with one of the wild-ass clothes out trying to stop me. Yeah, I'm going right by you. We touch shoulder to the shoulder. I'm coming up through like this. Yes. So. Hey, don't be reaching out when he out there like this here because all he going to do is. Yeah, he has mastered craftiness.
Starting point is 00:51:16 He's super crafty. Yeah, he a lefty. He already got an advantage. We know how lefties are any damn way. We feel like they got the advantage. All of them. I had never seen one that wasn't crafty and scored in the basketball. So I think James got to figure it out.
Starting point is 00:51:30 Hey, I got a question. Do you think he still got it in him up to give you a game where he go for 40? Yeah, he can. Yeah, I believe he could. I still believe he have it in it. Yeah, I think he can give you a game like that. He could, he can rewind the hands of time. We saw it in Philly.
Starting point is 00:51:49 When he was there in Philly, gave you that 50-point game. I think of what, game six, game five, game six. we've seen him have a monster have a monster game. What's his highest output game with the Clippers? I wonder it's going to be hard to do that against this Detroit team though.
Starting point is 00:52:12 Yeah, yeah. Because they got, I mean, because you got Cade or you got Thompson on it. And both of those guys are elite defenders. Yeah, man. And they ain't giving up nothing easy either. And I'm talking about it's so physical out there just to run a pick and roll.
Starting point is 00:52:29 let alone trying to score 20 points. I don't know if he can give you 40 in this series. It'll be tough. He'll have to be hot as fish greed, boy, I'm talking about. Whoa, whoa, whoa, what I'm talking about? You say give you 40. I thought you said could he give you 40. I thought you'd talk about like any point in time,
Starting point is 00:52:45 but you're talking about it's what I'm talking about. He's going to need one in this series. Oh. He can summers it up once, especially if I'm shot star falling early. He definitely could summon it. I mean, it up once. But the thing is, it's the, you know,
Starting point is 00:53:03 I look at Paulo and how Paulo gave your 45, but Paulo was doing it in a, hey, he was getting to the middy was going. His, a three ball was going. I mean, he got like three and ones back to back to back. And then they play up off it. And now they drop off him and now he pull up with the three. He just had one of those,
Starting point is 00:53:21 he's just having one of those out of bodies. I don't, who are we. And I think he can give you 30. I think he can give you a game where you get 30 and 10. Yeah, I think that's possible. But you know, what I see is James Harden Footspeed, it ain't fast as these guys for the pistons, man.
Starting point is 00:53:42 You know, like he crafted enough to get by you and get a foul, but if you're telling me he can go 12 or 16 or something like that, that's going to be tough, man. That's going to be tough. I don't know about that. It's going to be tough. His most, his highest sporting game at the clippers is 32. 30.
Starting point is 00:53:59 he got 33 and a 32 and one of those was an old time game. With the Clippers, that was it? That's the highest he ever scored with the Clippers? Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. But he did have a 50-point playoff game against in Philly, right? Yeah, he did.
Starting point is 00:54:18 Okay. Yeah, he had like 245, 244. And that was against Boston. Remember he rewinded the hands of the time back against Boston? Hey, everybody at that, oh, James, James, and then he came out there that game seven and gave you like eight more. Hey, hey, you're talking about Brun, do a lot of walking. I'll be checking James out too now.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Oh, yeah. Yeah, you'd be out there chilling. You know, see, here's the thing. When you know the play ain't for you, you just kind of just, you know, you're just walking around. You're just out there here. I notice that a lot. I noticed that a lot. Because when the play for you, hell, you're in another gear. When it ain't for you, Uncle, Ocho, you out there, you give me that false ass. Ocho, how do we do when the rock, when the rock, they call our number?
Starting point is 00:54:59 We sprint out the hundred later, Ocho. Hey, man. Spring. I'm down to get the delay of game. The play ain't for me. I'm like third of the progression. I'm down there getting the delay of game. Get you the line.
Starting point is 00:55:08 They're like, hey, come on. Hey, you get in the ball. You give everything away. And you all hype and happy. Hey, unc, you get into the line, you know, restrap your glove. Hey, the hell, the man guarding you, he know the damn play for you. Damn, Sharpe. Or he knows, he knows, he knows it's coming.
Starting point is 00:55:29 I think the thing plus Joe, or not Joe, I think the thing with Bron. Braun be so hyped early, especially if he get a basket and the next thing you know he gets a steal or in transition he laid up, but you expect, I get your, look at game three. You see how he started out?
Starting point is 00:55:47 Over and down, up and down. Then all of a sudden, you got a, hey, you got to pay. But it's hard. It's hard. Because people don't realize, like, when you run it, when you run it around, you don't breathe.
Starting point is 00:56:03 Yeah. You like, . People like, think you'd be Yeah, nah, yeah, nah. Yeah, no, they don't breathe the goal though. But he's got to do a better job, though, Joe.
Starting point is 00:56:20 He's just got to do a better job taking her to basketball, and their big's got to do a better job than what they get. Hey, you, come on, man, I can't get no damn 16 points and 12 rebounds from my two bigs. I got two seven footers. They got one. I know, man Cleveland got to do better I mean this is
Starting point is 00:56:37 I mean this carbon copy we've been talking about them you know being consistent being big I mean I think Mobley got the talent Uncle Ocho to where hell he can get you 22 to 25 a night
Starting point is 00:56:49 I think that should be a given bro considering the talent that this kid got he's just not aggressive a lot of the time you know what I mean it's kind of like he defers a lot to Donovan and James Harden and you don't need
Starting point is 00:57:02 bro. He got to be aggressive. He has to be one of the guys. He got to feel like he is the guy. Yes. And it's just hard, Joe, when you're a young player and you've got veteran players, James has been an all-star. He's an all-N-B-A. He's an MVP. Donald has been an all-star and an all-N-B-A selection. It's just hard for a young player to say, you know what, hey, it's my time now. Hey, she, they got to insert themselves, especially when the two veteran players not shooting well, they're not efficient?
Starting point is 00:57:37 Shoot, you take the league. Well, maybe you're not allowed to do that. No, you can. It just depends on your demeanor. He just doesn't have that type of game and it's just not his mindset. You know, it's like he'll be a great piece to a team and he occasionally, you know,
Starting point is 00:57:54 had these monster games. But when you look at him and you watch him play, you're like, I mean, here, look at tonight, bro, he was the highest, plus minus. He was a minus damn 18 tonight. Dang, you can't have that from your big. You know, not one of the guys who you're relying on,
Starting point is 00:58:11 not, you know, for scoring and defense. Like, he's a guy who you can go to. Hey, oh, he scored. In the last series, they went to him at the end of the game. You know what I mean? It ain't like. Yeah. In game six, the overtime to get overtime.
Starting point is 00:58:25 Yeah, they went to him. And, you know, he made a strong move, scored with the left hand. I just feel like he has to assert himself a little more. I agree. I agree, Joe, but I think the thing is that this joke is here, man, I'm like, bro, you too, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:58:45 I don't know what it is about Donald Mitchell's game. It's that, and like I said, it's one game. Let's see how it plays out. Yeah. We've kind of seen this movie, man. I don't know what it is about, I don't know what it is about him. But it's, look, Joe, when you really think about it,
Starting point is 00:59:03 it ain't been a whole lot of small, I don't know, I talked Donovan. Yeah. Five, six, three. Yeah. They've only been, they've only, if you really look at it, they've been really two guys that have been six four under that lead their team to championships.
Starting point is 00:59:17 That's D-Wade, that's Steph Curry. Yeah. All the other have been big-ass guards. Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Michael Joy. Yeah. Guard let and Isaiah Thomas. Now I take that back, free Isaiah. So think about the end of history of the game
Starting point is 00:59:33 where you getting a guard that's, leading your team to a championship. Hey. It's only been done by three in the 80-year history. Well, Donovan's comparison. Donovan? Donovan, six-two. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Six-two. That's it? He played big, though, bro. Yeah, oh, he got bunnies. He got long-ass arms. I don't know if y'all really pay attention, but to basketball players, when you short like that, and, like, Donovan, okay, if he's six-two, six-three, he got about a
Starting point is 01:00:06 six, eight wingspan. You feel what I'm saying? Yes. So. Joe, you watch him. Hey, I was like, bro, I don't know when you started doing this, but he'll get the ball. Yeah. And come over the top.
Starting point is 01:00:19 And you know, you know who they compared, they compared him to D. Wade. That was Dway move. He stole Dway move. Man, that was his comparison coming into the NBA, Dwayne Way. He stole it about that. That is, I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, he stole that from Dway. That's D.
Starting point is 01:00:37 It's your real. He said a friend of mine got five for talking about flop. I feel like that's what I got to do at this point. I'm just not getting the calls. I don't know why. I don't, and I don't flop. Maybe that's why.
Starting point is 01:00:52 Don't have to say that. They found, you remember, J.B. Jalen Brown complained about Joel and B flopping. They're buying $50,000. So I guess he's talking, he's making reference to J.B.
Starting point is 01:01:05 talking about flopping. and got fired, but he says, hey, maybe that's what I need to do, excuse me, to get some of these calls, is flopped a little bit. They fine him for that? Oh, you can't criticize the officiated. They're fine. I don't necessarily think he need, it's not really flopping. It's more of like a little subtle flare.
Starting point is 01:01:24 You know, I, like flopping is just that out of control, like just, I don't act like somebody in them punch you in the back of your head. Yeah, right, right. That's flopping. Like, you know what I mean? But the great scores, bro, they do. They got a little flailing in their game now. I mean, hell, he better take a page out of James Hartman book
Starting point is 01:01:43 because he do it with the best of them. But as you get older, though, Joe, they don't get you them calls. But you know what? And if that ain't your game, bro, it's hard to play like that. Okay, Ocho, you know, I was a guy who loves scoring the basketball, but I ain't, hell, I probably ain't averaged about three to four, maybe five free throws. You know, these guys not averaging, she'll, 12 free throws a night.
Starting point is 01:02:06 man she's like one time shot 24 25 free throwers hell bam it's like they contact seekers bro like I wasn't I wasn't one of them guys I wasn't one of them guys who used to seek contact like that I mean yeah I make contact but I'm trying to initiate it I ain't necessarily trying to you know receive it and then flare I'm you know I'm using it for momentum so it just depends on you know some guys understand it and some you know just natural born scores No, not me. Ocho and I were a lot of like,
Starting point is 01:02:38 I wasn't seeking no contact because I ain't want to get close to you so you can grab me. Because I already know what you're going to do. You're going to grab the hole in your holding beat. Don't, don't. So I already know what you're going to do. I ain't playing bumper.
Starting point is 01:02:48 That's a, if you look at like big guys, like drunk, like to play bumping. Well, I call bumper car. Yeah. Yeah. And buck good off you. Jason Williams played like that. Gonzalez played like that.
Starting point is 01:02:58 Nah, bro. I'm 225, bro. I can't let you get your hands on me. You're a whole hell like me. And then what I'm going to do. I'm gonna be looking at coach like, hey, he holding, yeah. You're using your speed. I'm using speed.
Starting point is 01:03:11 Hey, hey, I'm swimming. Hey, you're, hey, I'm getting skinny. I'm half a man. Hey, you see this right? Hey, you never go to do this right here. You'll get this. You're going to get this or you're getting that. That's what you get.
Starting point is 01:03:25 That's it. Hey, Joe, I wax on wax on. Why? Why? No, hell no. They hold too much. But like you said, see, and that would throw me off because the first thing they do, because now I did,
Starting point is 01:03:40 what I would do, especially a defensive lineman, like if I'm trying to cut a defensive lineman off, I would grab him and slingshot. So I would take, I would grab him out of the waist, try to cut him off, pull him out and front. Yeah, right here. Ralph, you're something, bro, stop complaining, man. You don't big 300-pound ass,
Starting point is 01:03:58 call him, Ralph, tell him I held you. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Oh, shit. Hey. But yeah, bad, hey, all that you got to learn the tricks of the trade, don't you got to? You got to. And when you first coming to the league, you don't really know them. But I think, like, for me, playing with veteran guys, Antoine Walker, Paul Pierce, guys who love to score,
Starting point is 01:04:21 you start to find the little nuances of the game like, damn. You know, you start to pick up on it because, you know, they use it against you in practice and all that. So once you pick up on it, then you get it. You're right. You got to find them little ways That you can score and get easy buckets I was one of them guys Right hey look I'm trying to learn
Starting point is 01:04:39 Every day I'm a sponge I'm out here Anything I can pick up or I can steal from your game And add to mine Yeah I'm doing it Yeah I got some tools in a tool box
Starting point is 01:04:51 Joe you can use it in a big three Yeah what you got You gonna see when I use it on your ass Hey, it's the subtle stuff. It's amazing how many times guys will bite. Yeah. Bro. And they tell my man, watch his weight.
Starting point is 01:05:09 Bro, ain't nobody looking. It's a, you're a special DB. And you're a special DB if you're looking at that guy's waist. That ain't nobody. I mean, that's what Revis. And Revis had to be watching that. Because that joke was so patient. Yeah, he ain't going nowhere.
Starting point is 01:05:22 Revis ain't going nowhere. He ain't biting the first move. Hey. All he goes. gonna do is them log ass off. That's another one. He's walking in the knuckles scrubbing the ground, joke.
Starting point is 01:05:33 Like God. I mean, you look at that joke, I'm like, ain't no way that man arms that long and he's in the little. Yeah. That's a huge advantage, bro, when you got them long arms. For a D.B. Yeah. Man, and he's strong.
Starting point is 01:05:48 He's strong. His hands, his hands are really, really strong. So now he can control you. He can do this. Yeah, yeah. Because all he's gonna do, Hey, he going to get on top of you. He's going to, hey, he's going to ride you, and you're going to look back.
Starting point is 01:06:02 And as he's looking back, he's ride your ass right out of bounds. Hey, you know, in basketball, it's taught the same way. You know, watch his waist. You know what I'm saying? Hell, he can't go nowhere without that waist. Don't watch that ball. That ball is going to have you on that damn float. All over the place.
Starting point is 01:06:17 You need to watch his waist. He can't get, he can't go nowhere without that waist. Hey, I had a coach tell me, say, son, give him that little head. What man can resist hair? Hey Hey, oh, Joe, I, ah, ah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, they bite it every time. That head they go, right?
Starting point is 01:06:37 No, you don't, bro. I was going to go there. I was thinking about going inside. But you know what? You beat me to that point. Yeah. You got to bait them. But, yeah, you got to learn those trades.
Starting point is 01:06:51 It's trial, especially if you don't have a veteran player, a veteran player that teach you. I mean, I mean, the guys, they weren't receiving tight ends that I played with. They were blockers. So I got to learn everything. I got to, I'm trying stuff in practice. Hell, if it worked, I'll try it again. If it did work, got to scrap that.
Starting point is 01:07:11 Dude covered hell out of me on that plate. Yeah. You've got a trial of error. The NBA, the 2026 NBA playoff delivered the most watched first round in 33 years. Game seven. Of the 76th of Celtics on May 2nd is the most watched first round game 7 averaging 11 million viewers on NBC and Peacock. First round average 4 million viewers per game across ABC, ESPN, Amazon Prime video,
Starting point is 01:07:41 and NBC Peacock. Joe, what is it about this year's playoffs that got people and everybody, man, they got these games all spread out, man, I ain't paying all that money. Somebody paying something on you. You're me. Because they watch is the most watched in 33 years. Hey, it's exciting. I think it's the unknown for real.
Starting point is 01:08:05 I mean, as much as, you know, everybody got OKC winning it. Hell, you really don't know because San Antonio is scary. You know what I mean? I think with Jason Tatum coming back and giving Boston that edge, kind of catapulted them into, you know, making it to the NBA finals at the East. And now I think everybody is, is, is, intrigued to, you know, what may happen.
Starting point is 01:08:28 So I'm glad the ratings is up, but I don't know how to hell they up due to the games on all these different damn apps. Like, okay, if the ratings up, then Peacott and Amazon, they're making a damn killing, ain't they? Yeah. Damn. They be getting on us to my man, Uncle, you got too many ads. Hell, y'all don't tell them that works that. How many ads you see in the Super Bowl?
Starting point is 01:08:52 They run 200 ads in the Super Bowl. and $8 million of ad. And y'all sit right there and watch them. I got a little, I got like four or five ads in there. You're talking about, oh, man. And, hey, that's cold shatter. Yeah, that's cold shudder. Download the app to date.
Starting point is 01:09:12 Yeah. Hey. But I agree. I think you look at it. And Detroit, I think Detroit being, and look, they love Detroit, basketball, and they're back. Yeah. the Spurs, they're back.
Starting point is 01:09:28 Look, the Lakers are the Lakers. The Knicks are the Knicks. You got these fan bases that no matter what, Knicks, Lakers, Celtics. Philly? Philly, yeah, Philly. But when you get these young teams, like, oh, my team filing the playoffs
Starting point is 01:09:45 after a long time. Think about San Antonio had been to playoffs in a long, long time. They're back. You got Detroit. They've been in the playoffs a couple. But their fan base, man we got a realistic chance to get to the NBA finals right yeah yeah Orlando I'm I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad these
Starting point is 01:10:07 it's it's looking like this it's uh it all I'm glad the NBA because look they they spend these the Amazon and and and and and NBC and Peacock they spent a lot of money he has spent a lot of money what seven billion seven billion dollars damn that's why you want your superstars playing. That's why. That's why you want your superstars playing, Joe. The product is the product that's on the court, you know, they have the playoffs every single year.
Starting point is 01:10:36 But the product is on the court this year. It has people wanting to watch. I agree. I agree. We want to see this game. We want to see Ant Man. We want to see Brunson. We want to see Embed and Maxie.
Starting point is 01:10:48 That's why the number is going up. Yeah. But hell, if they, if they're not playing other product that's on the court, It's not good. Who the hell tuning in it? I agree, man. Outside of like avid basketball scene. I agree.
Starting point is 01:11:05 I agree. That's why we got to get the big three ratings up, man. We need more stars to come play. They're scared. I mean, who? Joe, how that's your boy, Joe? See, the thing is, the thing is a lot of cats, you got to really love it, bro,
Starting point is 01:11:23 because a lot of us are kind of up and age. And hell, if you don't play 12, 15, 18 years in the NBA, you ain't, because you ain't trying to keep your body in that type of shape. And you see that with a lot of these guys who retire, bro, they just kind of, you know, let themselves go. See, I love staying in shape. That's why I can still enjoy playing the game. It's when you got all these, you bogged down with all these injuries
Starting point is 01:11:47 and you stay out of shape is that the game is not fun to you no more. You know what I mean? But, hell, we're on a national stage, bro. You know, we just need a couple stars to come join the league, boost the ratings up a little bit, get us out there. You know, hey, Joe, listen to me now. You know, I check my availability, man. Hey, you don't need to worry about nobody with me, partner.
Starting point is 01:12:09 That's it. You don't need to worry about nobody with me. Come a year, Joe Brown might come out there and join y'all. Yeah, he might. I can see his ass going there. They'll pay him big money to come out there and play. I got to, I'm going to have to hit him, let him know. Hey, man, I'm still be kicking God damn.
Starting point is 01:12:26 Hey, don't forget your boy. Go run with me. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, this has been very excited because the game, you think about some of the closeness of the games. Games have been very, very interesting. Yeah, you've had some blowouts. But you think about all these game sevens.
Starting point is 01:12:43 Yeah. That's a, hey, more basketball. More basketball, yeah. Cleveland was a game seven. Philly was a game seven. Orlando, Detroit was a game seven. Now, we didn't get any game sevens in the Western conference. But you got some good damn games because they star-studded.
Starting point is 01:12:59 We got some good, great games. The West so stacked from top to bottom, hell, first round, you got Minnesota playing Denver. Hell, everybody wanted to see that. And then you got LeBron and Katie going head to head. The ratings would have been a lot better, too, with that. I mean, they probably were still high because of LeBron. But, hell, if you'd have had Katie out there and they had made that thing a series and they went by seven, Wee.
Starting point is 01:13:25 Yep. Yeah. Or mess around to get let O'S, O'OOOO Schiff's Steff here. But he wouldn't have, well, Steph, if you'd have been in the playoff, man, you wouldn't have been able to went to the Met Gallo, so it's, you did all right. You did all. Right. Did y'all see the video of J.R. Smith getting knocked, though, by Nick's fans.
Starting point is 01:13:48 I've seen that. Let's take a look at this video. Hey, that was funny. Jay, I were like, hey, cheer, relax, relax. Damn. Man, hey. Man, Yeah,
Starting point is 01:13:57 don't know. They don't love you going. Man, man, hey, let me tell you all something. Y'all know them damn them damn Knicks fans,
Starting point is 01:14:33 boy, they don't play about their nicks, bro. They, they're real fanatics over there. Hey, look, Ok, Ojo, I lived in Manhattan when I played for the Nets. And man, me and my son, we had these electric scooters. We used to ride down. through Manhattan, y'all know it's stay busy. I had a dude ride past me.
Starting point is 01:14:50 He was like, fuck the Nets, this Knicks country. You in Manhattan? Yeah, he yelled outside his window. Them four, hey, hey, they, they're four, their four don't play, boy, about their Knicks. So I don't know what J-all was thinking about being out there and Jim Pop like that. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 01:15:09 Especially after a game, like, weird, I mean, can you imagine you try to go out of your team win a big game, or you win the Super Bowl, the world series of the NBA championship and you take your ass out there to celebrate with them face. Man, they standing on top of cards. They flipping police cars. They, man, hell no.
Starting point is 01:15:25 Listen, bro. You better be ready. I'm going to be in my window. Oh, boy, they crazy down there. Oh, shit. We talk about if the Knicks make the finals, damn the finals. If the Knicks get out this round and get back to the Eastern Conference finals, they're going to act a fool, bro.
Starting point is 01:15:42 I don't even, Joe, look here. I don't even want it. I don't even want to imagine what that thing will be about to get to the NBA final Joe. Hey. You got to realize how long it's being, they got that National Guard out there. They are.
Starting point is 01:15:56 Ocho. Hey, Joe. Man, what you call it, about be out there with him, a Spike Lee and Tracy Morgan. Every day I do. Yeah, yeah. They would tear that city up, bro. They will flip it for a championship.
Starting point is 01:16:14 Do you understand? What a championship mean to the Knicks? I mean for the New York? Yeah. Man, hold on. It goes, if the Yankees and the Knicks, then the Giants. Jets, I'm sorry, Jets and Mets. Y'all, like there on the islands, y'all, Long Island, stuff like that.
Starting point is 01:16:30 But the Yankees, the Knicks, and the Giants? Lord, have it. Listen, not only would it be huge for New York, if the Knicks got to the finals and won it, That should have been huge for basketball, period, bro. But they're going to tell New York up. I'm talking about Brunson. They're going to have the whole next thing.
Starting point is 01:16:53 They're going to be on Mount Rushmore up there, like the whole team. Yeah. Oh, if Brunson takes this team and they win the finals, oh, he absolutely, he up there with Willis Reed and Clyde and, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Earl of Pearl, yes, he's there. Hey, I'm sorry, he's going to kick Patrick off. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:13 Yeah. Or champion, oh man, look here. Those teams like that, they revere champions over. Man. I don't care how to win a championship. Man, that boy would be, not only Brunson, but their team will be beloved in New York, bro. They won't be.
Starting point is 01:17:31 Hey, never had to pay for anything ever again, Joe. Never. Ever again. Never. Don't folk, don't play by them names. You see what it did for Jeter? You see what it did for Stray? Yes, sir.
Starting point is 01:17:43 Stray is a D-Line? and get loved. Can you imagine if Stray was a quarterback or a wire receiver? Man, that ninja had been mayor, a governor, or whatever he wanted to be.
Starting point is 01:17:58 Look at Jeter. Just imagine if Aaron Judge brings a World Series. Mm-mm-mm. Look at he. Look at Eli. Eli don't even talk. Hey, the Yankees still Elie don't got a paper.
Starting point is 01:18:15 The Yankees still got standing over there. Is he still over there, too? Oh, Giancarlo? Giancarlo Stad. Yeah, he's still there. Oh, is it? Yeah, he, he went on tighter than guitar strings. He always pulled it something.
Starting point is 01:18:29 Back, hamstring, quads up. I'm just picturing the goddamn Knicks, understanding, but New York City going to be upside down. Man. I'm talking about, I get, hey. Ben Stiller, Tracy Morgan. Yes, sir. Man, ain't no telling you what.
Starting point is 01:18:48 Them jokers do. Jimmy Fallon. Spike Lee going to lose his mind. Because Spike Lee ain't seen the championship since. Spike was probably 20, 22 when they last won the championship, Willis Reed. Man, Spike Lee loses his damn mind. Hey, Joe.
Starting point is 01:19:09 What's up? Now, y'all don't be surprised. Now, then say it at first. Now, then boy, when they got damn, they win that goddamn chip. And you see the goddamn statute of liberty being carried through the city. All right.
Starting point is 01:19:19 And, uh, all right. Yeah, you may, you might, though. You might, ain't on telling, boy. Hey, ain't, ain't no telling. Don't, don't put it past him now. Oh, my goodness. Spike Lee going to be out of his mind. Cause, hey, they won a game in Spike Lee over there to celebrate.
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Starting point is 01:21:51 And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast, Point Game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was part of you. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis come until he's like, you know, I love you, dog.
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