Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Timberwolves beat Lakers, & Shedeur has fallen to Day 3 of the NFL draft!

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

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defeat the Lakers to take a 2-1 lead, 116 to 104. The Lakers wasted a master performance by LeBron. 38 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 blocks, 2 steals, 5 of 9 from the 3-point line.

But it was not enough because 3 of the Timberwolves, Ant-Man finished like Ant-Man's supposed to do. That's what your best player's supposed to do. He's supposed to finish. But Jaden McDaniels, Julius Randle was sensational. Naz Reed

chipped in. So did Mike Conley. And they come away, get a game of a 2-1 lead, 116-104. Joe, let me go to you first. The Timberwolves, I thought LeBron, in that fourth quarter, he comes down, hit back-to-back threes. And then the game undone. Turnover to miss free throws. Joe, watching this game, tell me how it played out in your eyes.

Just seemed like it's two heavyweight fighters, man, just really going at it. It's like backyard basketball, Uncle Ocho. Like, they really kind of take the centers out of the game, run, play in the five. They spread the floor, and it's just penetrate and kick basketball. Things that you learn in grade school, you know what I mean? And it's just read and react. And that's pretty much how they've been competing this, you know,

pretty much this whole series. But, like you say, J. McDaniels, baby, he going to come out, he ultra-aggressive. What he shot? I mean, how many field goals attempts he had? 22, he was 13 for 22 tonight. Like, I like to see that. I like to see this young talent come out, initiate, you know,

be that aggressor, and put the onus on the Lakers, man. When him and Ant-Man attacking like that and applying pressure, you know, and that pain on that rim, you know, they're able to get easy, dump down to Rudy, spray out threes to these guards, Devin Chinjo's, you know, coming off the bench, playing great.

Hey, it's a problem. Minnesota bringing it. They bringing it over to you. Them boys ain't playing, man. Yeah. Hey, they came to play tonight. Obviously, I thought, I think something was wrong with Luka.

I'm not sure what was wrong with Luka. He wasn't on. He wasn't efficient as he normally is. But LeBron was vintage tonight. LeBron was vintage. 13 for 21. He had 38, 10 rebounds, four assists. He didn't have much help.

He didn't have much help. He was playing on both ends of the court too now, playing defense, playing offense. Outside of that, man, listen, I'm changing his name, Anthony Amazon Edwards, because he delivering every time. He coming to the party. He on time every time, Monk. And obviously, Jaden Daniels

was excellent tonight. Will he be able to keep up that consistency night in and night out? It's doubtful. DeVincenzo coming off the bench and contributing. Naj Reed hitting some key threes, obviously, in the game as well. It was a good game.

Like Joe said, it looked like a heavyweight fight. Both of them going back-to-back. But when it came down to the end of it, the Timberwolves pulled it off. Yeah, I think the thing is McDaniel has been the key. If you look at the first game they won, look at how well he shot. He didn't play particularly well in the second game. Nas Reed didn't play well in the second game. He's the X factor. Now, if

you're going to get your third option, and he's going to give you 30 points, it's going to be especially, especially if your first two options are doing what they're supposed to do. Ant-Man gave you 29. Julius Randle gave you 22. Now your third option, which is Jaden McDaniels, he's going to give you 30. It's going to be

hard to overcome that. Unless LeBron, unless Luka, unless AR can match that. So let's just say for the sake of argument, they kind of matched that tonight. But the difference was DiVincenzo and Nas Reed. So they gave you 21. So I'm looking at it right

here. You got 25 off the bench from the Timberwolves, and you got 8, 11, 16, 19 from them. But it was a timely shot. It's too many – Joe, it's too many turnovers. The Lakers, I think, had five or six missed free throws in the first half. A game you know that's going to be tight.

Every possession matters. Every point matters yeah you when you go to the line and the clock is stopped you've got to capitalize if you have an opportunity to make free throws and just too many turnovers because when they turn the ball over minnesota's making them pay the ultimate price on the other end go look at points off turnovers and look how many minnesota had and look how few the lakers. When you turn the ball over like the Lakers are, and this is a young team, they can get out and run. Lakers don't have the legs that the Minnesota Timberwolves have.

You're asking for trouble. You're really asking for trouble. I thought the Lakers played really well the third quarter. Again, kind of got away from them. You know, they had a lead. But, look, you know everybody's going to make a run. I mean, it's a game or run. That's what basketball is.

You make your run. We make ours. Okay, we go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And then we go on another run. You go on another run. But I thought the Lakers just turned the ball over too much, Joe. I thought they turned it over too much. I thought they missed too many free throws.

And they let the Timberwolves get into a rhythm, especially like the last four minutes of the game. When you had an opportunity, LeBron had an opportunity. It seemed like he was going to take a three. He took his eye off the ball. He smoked the layup. I mean, he smoked it. Good when you smoke one in the first half.

When you're on the road and you're playing a team like this, and you know it's going to be nip and tuck, every possession matters. Every point matters, and you can't give away, you can't come away with empty possession. You can't. The one thing I really do like is,

man, when we watch sports, Arkan Ocho, we watch for what? We watch for guys to come out there, not only display their talents, but as long as they're competing at a high level, right? Yes, sir. These dudes out here competing. You hear me?

Yeah. They compete and they take on the challenge. And the only thing that concerns me about the Lakers is down the stretch when they go with Braun at the five, they have no rim protection. So, Ant-Man, when he get to the cup, because he going to get to the cup. Yes. He'll get fouled or spray out for three. Yeah. Because what they're doing is they're putting Luka in the pick and roll.

Yeah, they're seeking it. So, they're picking on Luka. So, now, Luka can't stop him on the initial move. So, now, if somebody slides to help, it's an easy kick. But a lot of times, he's like, bro, that's a Gabe Vincent. That's a Dorian Finney Smith. I'm going on the top of y'all.

The one time he got that steal. Hold on. When he got that steal and he dribbled out to the three-pointer. I don't know what Luka was thinking. I'm like, Luka should have been on the block. So when he looked to come baseline, he should have already been that big. Like, nah, don't come this way looked to come baseline, he should have already been that big. Like, nah, don't come this way.

Man went baseline and snatched the screws out that thing. Hey, Joe, y'all think Luka hurt or was he just tired tonight? He said food, something he wasn't feeling right. He wasn't feeling well. That's what they said. Yeah, he kept holding his stomach or something like that. It's hard to tell. And I don't know if he initially came out there with the undershirt on that he had.

It seemed like he—I don't know. Like I said, I wouldn't really pay him attention. And then I don't think he started the second half. Right. Because Gabe Business started the second half, and then at the timeout, he ended up coming into the ballgame. So he might be a little under the weather, but at this juncture of the year, Ocho, don't nobody care. I'm just going to be 1, under the weather, but at this juncture of the year, Ocho, don't nobody care. I'm just going to be 1,000 with you, Ocho.

Joe, you played at a high level in the NBA, Ocho, and you and I, we played football. When you're in the playoffs, nobody gives a damn whether you got an injury, whether you got a C, you got the flu, food poisoning, whatever the case may be. Get your butt out there on the field or the court and deliver. That's what you make the big bucks for. That's how you got that name.

That's who you are. And that's the expectation that people have. And I believe that's the expectation. And Luka's not going to make excuses. He knows he's going to have to play better if they're going to have a chance to win this series. Absolutely. Yeah. So, I mean, listen.

How you feeling now? I feel good Y'all down one No no no Y'all down one too? The five is Obviously it's not happening in five I feel good

I feel good with the Lakers It can still happen in five It may not be Don't do that Joe Don't do that It took me a little while for it to register the one thing

that concerns me you know this young wolves team they went to LA they did what they want to do they got to win so they got

home court advantage and as long as they can take care of home court man they gonna be tough to beat bro like we need

Bron needed 50 tonight to win he needed 50 I'm sorry. He the only one that seemed to really have a rhythm. I thought Austin Reeves had a pretty good rhythm there for a second, but man, you need people to put pressure on that

rim, man. Get in that paint to be able to sprout for threes. We needed Rui. I mean, something you never know. I can never tell what I'm going to get from Rui. Eight points is not nearly enough. Four rebounds. Bro, I need more than that.

I mean, bro, you got 38 points. I mean, you got 38 minutes, and you got eight points. LeBron, you got a guy on 40-year-old legs giving you 40 minutes. He was a minus 19. He was the highest plus minus. He was the highest minus on that night. Yeah. It's just tough to overcome.

Look, Jackson Hayes, he can't play. The problem is that you don't have no protection from the rim because Jackson Hayes can't play long enough. And the thing is that they're allowing Gobert to play 24, 25 minutes, and they got rim protection. So if somebody beats somebody up at the dribble, you saw, who was that? Dorian Fitton-Smith and Rudy Gobert

saying, let me get that. Let me hold that right quick. I don't know what you thought. And then somebody told you. And then it's like, if Randall Grunson, like he's being a bull in a china shop, like, he really causing havoc down there because they're too small to deal with him and Rudy. You know what I mean?

Right. And when he played Randall at the five, like, he deadly at that position. You know, going off the bounce, creating, getting to the cup, getting fouls, going to the free throw line. Kind of get himself going. You know what I mean? Yeah. But what I don't understand, Joe, I've never seen a left-handed, most lefties,

going to go to that dominant hand. If you think about all the lefties, you think about Julius Randle. Yeah. Think about James Harden. Yeah. Think about Marcelonis. Think about any left,

Manu Ginobili. Bro, you know they want to go to that dominant hand and they let Randle spin every time to the left. Make him go right. Yeah, yeah. And I get it, Joe. It's a lot easier said than done. But you're not going to be – I'm not going to allow you to beat me.

If I'm a boxer, you might knock me out, but you ain't going to knock me out with your dominant hand. Now, you might catch me with something I don't see, it ain't gonna be your dominant one so you might slip that uppercut on me or choke or you by hey you might hit me with the left hook but if i know you got it right i ain't gonna get yeah you ain't gonna get me so you know you want to get to that left hand he wants to get there i'm not letting him go and then once he picks up his dribble and he fakes right okay go ahead and go that way but i'm not gonna let go. And then once he picks up his dribble and he fakes right, okay, go ahead and go that way. But I'm not going to let you

fake me right and I go flying out the sky like I'm David Thompson and come back left and lay it up. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that, Joe. Am I wrong in that assessment, Joe? No, you're not wrong, but like you say, it is a little harder than what you say. I mean, he's been ultra aggressive.

He was 9 for 10 from the free throw line. He got to the free throw line 10 times. So, which lets me know, you know, when he caught it, he took advantage of the mismatches. You know, he took advantage of being one of the bigger guys in the game at the time. And, you know, he's helping them, man. He's giving these guys wide-open shots just by him being ultra-aggressive

like they're on offense. Yeah. Go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead. I'm just trying to look at some stats because I don't really have it on my computer like I would at home. Yeah. The league is in trouble.

Hey, Joe, the next game in Minnesota. Yes, sir. Hey, Uncle, it ain't looking good. It ain't looking good. We got this one. Listen, LeBron, like Joe said, LeBron going to have to score 50. Luka has to. I'm not sure if he got a tummy ache.

I'm not sure what it is. Hopefully, he's able to recover and come back to playing how we know he can play. Awesome reads. Give us something like we did tonight. But we got to show up. We got to show up. Uncle, it's not looking good. Look, I think for me, when I'm

looking at this, do I expect LeBron? Can LeBron do it? Yes. I've seen him go 30 and 40 in back-to-back games. You're asking an awful lot because the next game is probably going to be Sunday. So, if you think about it, think about the layoff that they had. They played

and then now all of a sudden he got two days off. So when you're older, you need more time to recover, Joe. You need more time to sit in those Thermaltake boots. You need more time to sit in that cold tub and that hot and that red table. You need more of recovery.

So I don't know how quick, now look, I know immediately after this game, he went straight to the locker room, put them feet, put them puppies in the bucket of ice. He got ice bags on his knees. He got it on his back. So he's doing everything he possibly can to start the recovery process as soon as possible.

But he is 40. He is. There's no way around. There's no way to escape that. So I don't know if he's going to be able to give you another virtuoso like he gave you tonight. They really need Luka to play better than what he played. Hopefully that bug will be a 24-hour bug,

and there'll be some signing that'll be gone. But I don't think, if you think about it, they didn't play bad. I mean, if you look at the total. I mean, I'm looking at LeBron. LeBron had 38. Luka had 17. That's 55. And Austin Reeves had

20. That's 77 points. They didn't play bad. No. But the problem is that you ran into Julius Randle had 22. McDaniels had 30. That's 52. And then you compare that with the 29 that Ant-Man had so now you're at 81

and the auxiliary you got 9 from Mike Conley you got 11 you got 10 so we're gonna need okay 3 they cancel each other out well they got to have 2 other guys

that go double figures that means the Lakers gonna have two other guys that go double figures. That means the Lakers are going to have to have somebody that go double figures, 15-16, to offset what Nas Reed and what who's that? Devin Chinzo, what they gave you. I mean, look, they hit some shots. I mean, Devin Chinzo hit a crossover,

crossed Fanny Smith up, made him touch earth, and then stepped back and held his leg up. Mike Conley got a rebound, ran out and banked it. I don't know how he banked that from that angle, Joe. I still don't know how he did it. The basketball guys, baby, he living right.

He living right. Basketball guys give you some grace. That's why I said, if you remember when they had COVID, he ended up winning the horse competition because he's appendectomist. He can shoot either hand. If they were to have a horse competition,

I would probably pick Mike. It'd be very interesting if Luca, Mike Carley, and Steph Curry were to enter it. It'd be very interesting because all three of them can make some crazy, ridiculous-ass shots. Yeah, they do, man. They do.

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That's how you make an offensive player exert energy. You make him work on the defensive end. So, hey, oh, you think you're going to drop 40 on me and coast on that end? No, you're not. Right. Because I'm going to try to give you 30. Right. I'm going to try to make you exert energy,

and now I'm going to put your ass in the pick and roll. I'm going to make you fight over picks. I'm going to attack you because I'm going to make you exert, burn some of that energy so you don't have as much on the other end. I agree with you, Joe. I think, and the thing is that when you say go off, they need to go off in an efficient manner. You can't take 20 shots and make four and say,

well, I had 25 points. That's not good. You need to go off like LeBron. You need to go off in an efficient manner for it to mean something. And so I agree with you. I think those two guys, Luque and LeBron, probably need to team up for about... In order for them to win this series,

that 77 was good, but they might need to be around the 85-90 between the three of them, Joe. Somebody going to have a 40 point, somebody going to have to have a high 20 or a low 30, and the other guy's going to have to be in the mid 20s.

In order for them to come, I can't count on the other guys. I can't go in and say, well, I know Fannie Smith is going to give me 12 tonight. Well, Rui is going to probably give me 16. I can't go in thinking that. Right. You know, we put a game plan together, Ocho. I'm like, okay, Ocho is going to give me his eight. Who's going to give me probably five to six?

Okay, I can rest his soul, Chris Harry. He probably going to give me four. One's going to probably be about 30, 40. So I can pencil that in. I kind of know what I'm going to get. Outside of your top three, I'm not sure what I'm going to get from Rui. I'm not

sure. I'm not really counting on a whole lot of points from Vando. I'm going to count maybe one three from Gabe Vinson. I don't know what I'm going to get from Rui. I'm not sure. I'm not really counting on a whole lot of points from Vando. I'm going to count maybe one three from Gabe Vinson. I don't know what I'm going to get from anybody else. And so it's hard because those guys go off and they can still possibly lose. But I know if those guys don't go off, they don't have a chance.

Yeah. And listen, it's damn near just as three. I want to say two, man, because sometimes, you know, Reeves can get hot. And when Reeves is on, he's on. But I like LeBron's approach to the game tonight. He didn't come out trying to facilitate. He came out and established dominance early, which he didn't do in game two.

Luka was on fire. He allowed Luka to stay in rhythm. But LeBron approached the game differently tonight. You know what? I'm going to get myself in rhythm and let the game come to everybody else, as it will, as it may. Luka wasn't feeling well tonight. Something had to be wrong.

Whatever it is, they got to fix it for the next game, which is Sunday, right? I think so. I think the next game is going to be Sunday, Ocho. Yeah, if the next game is Sunday, I think it would behoove LeBron to approach the game in the same manner and being very aggressive early in the game.

I think he had 16, what, in the second quarter? Something like that? Yeah, he had 20. LeBron had 14. He had 14 in the second. He had six in the first, 14 in the second. He didn't. Yeah.

He was like, okay, I think Ocho might have had five, seven. He might have had like seven in the second and the third quarter. And then he had a back-to-back three. Then it looked like he was about to let another one because Luka got a pass up to him in a hurry. And he just fumbled it. And then the next thing you know, they come back down. Because when he smoked that layup, they hit a three.

Then he fumbled the ball, and then they come back and they get enough. So those are swings and points and in momentum when you do things like that. And you know what normally happens like that, Joe. You smoke one-on-one in, they come back and get points on the other end. You turn the ball over and now they right back at you in your kitchen. Yeah. You got to take care of that rock, man, especially in the playoffs. You know,

every position, you know, is valuable. But here's my thing. You got, Ant-Man ain't even shooting no free throws tonight, man. He still ain't... To me, he had 29 tonight, but he still ain't had one of them games, one of them signature games. You know, I'm looking for him

to go out about 40, 45, Ocho Yerman. I'm hoping so. Because if he go for 45, Jaden Daniels not going to get 22 shots. So I hope you're right. I hope you're right. It might be okay. He might be one of them efficient ones. You know he was the best three-point shooter in the NBA this year.

He was five. No, he had the most. Yeah, he had the most threes. He wasn't the best. He had the most threes. Listen, he was five for 10 from the three to nine. He's shooting that three ball now. Yeah.

But if you think about it, McDaniel was 13 of 22, 12 of 26. I can live with that, but he made about three in that fourth quarter. He made some threes in the fourth that basically just, okay, the game's over. And that's what you do. You want the closer. You want your closer. When he come in, Mo Rivera.

When the Yankees got to the ninth, sometimes he got a four-hour save. But most of the time, Ocho, when they open that bullpen in the ninth inning and they enter the sand, man, and he come out of that bag and he – you know, he got one pitch and all he thought is that cut fastball, that cutter. Yeah. That's my closer. And that's what you want.

You want your closer. I will put the ball in your hands. Deliver it. Get us this win. He put the ball in that man's hand, and he made every right play. He hit the open guy, or he finished at the rim. So I cannot complain about, you know, they had a lead. Because look, the Lakers are like, okay, we're going to make it.

Y'all going to earn this one. Close ball game. What did they do? Three. Instead of being, now you're up five. What did he do again? He come back, two point. Another three.

Give it to me. Give it to me. Now, come on now. Come on. I've been waiting for this. I've been waiting for it. So I cannot complain because Ant-Man did what he was supposed to do. And I'm thinking, if you're a coach, you are J.J. Redick.

Joe, you ain't thinking J.J. McDaniel about to give you a 30 bomb? No. Joe, you ain't thinking no, no.

Give me the stats. How many times did J.J. McDaniel have 30 in a season? It was a career high for him. It was a career high for him.

Okay, we'll see. But listen, when you got your main guy, Ant-Man, pushing for him, pushing for his co-star, you know, feeding main guy, Ant-Man, pushing for him, pushing for his co-star, you know, feeding that confidence into him like that, like he going to perform like this at home.

You know, he going to have some career high gains. I'm looking for him to have another one. I'm not. I'm going to be honest with you because he's a starter, but he's a role player. And role players, and I will concede this, they normally play better at home. Yeah. Your third, fourth receivers, they normally play better at home. Yeah.

Crying back at them as opposed to on the road. And so we understand guys are very familiar in their environment. Got no problem with that. But I'm not counting on him to give me another 30-piece. Julius Randle, like you said, he's a bulldog. You're asking an awful lot because you don't really – because if you ask LeBron to bang with you basically the whole night, he ain't going to be giving you nothing on offense.

Not that point. Not the bang. Not the bang. Not the bang. Because Julius is trying to bang. That's why you had them little mishaps at the end of the game. Miss layup, just a fumble on the ball. Because I knew

if he had caught that ball clean, he probably going to let it ride for three. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the one he smoked, he smoked that one. He like, man, I ain't got it. I ain't got it in me. I ain't got it in me. I ain't got it in me. I ain't got it in me tonight.

But I thought, look, we can sit here and say, yeah, they missed too many free throws. Yes, they turned the ball over. But somebody forced those turnovers. Now, to miss free throws, that's just lack of concentration. You can't miss six free throws in the

first half. You can't. six free throws in the first half. You can't. Because now you're trying to stretch the lead. But those turnovers, some of them, I mean, Luka dribbled the ball off the back of his foot. Rudy Gobert snatched it. Rudy Gobert took the ball out your hand, Luka. Really? Are you wearing them down?

Can't have them. You're wearing them down, huh? You're wearing them down. And three, you know, from you picking up from game one, picking up that energy and effort, making him work on both ends of the floor, at some point, this is the plan is to wear him down to where he make those mental type of mistakes. And, you know, it helps the Timberwolves.

And that's kind of what's been happening. That's how you have to do it. I mean, you got a guy like Lucas. He's immensely confident he sees a couple go in now he's going to start he's going to be like okay okay okay I got it but and the thing

is with him if you watch him he can miss three or four threes and then he'll go on the hot stretch and he'll make four or four the shot that he had on Julius Reddick he had no shot he had no business making that I don't even know why first of all I don't even know why he took it for. The shot that he had on Julius he had no shot. He had no business making that. Man. First of all, I don't even know why he took it. Listen, it was some

elite shot making. I'm talking about tonight. I'm talking about them dudes who were making some tough shots, bro. This is why we watched, man. The game was definitely fun to watch tonight. Them dudes competing at a super high level which is why we're starting to deal with a lot of these injuries in this postseason, too, by the way.

Yeah. Guys are playing hard, man, and you having these freak accidents. I mean, you know, one little injury could, you know, derail some team's playoff hopes. You know what I mean? You're right, and I think the thing is that, first of all, the Lakers are really challenged defensively because you got a 41-year-old guy

that was an All-NBA player, but he can't move like he once could. Luka and AR, they're not good defensive players. So you got three guys, really, that are not defensive. First of all, when you put those guys out there, Rui is not known as a defender. That's not what he's good at. Dorian Fanny Smith is

okay. I wouldn't say he's an elite defender, but I think he's okay. He's adequate. So you got a bunch of guys that don't defend at a high level, and they can't protect one another. So now I don't got no... When I put LeBron at the five,

yeah, he back-line defense. Or Rui playing the five. Whomever. Four or five doesn't matter. Yeah. Because when Ant-Man come through there, it's Ole. Ole, he come through there. You ain't finna put me on your card. I ain't finna be on your card.

I have your poster. Because don't nobody buy posters no more. They got cards. And so you're not finna have Ant-Man signing over the top of my knee. Listen, I can't believe Luka jumped with that man all the way. He was thinking about Luka out here tripping. Hey,

I tried. You know, in the playoffs, Joe, you do things you don't normally do. Hey, Ojo, you know what I'm saying? You go over the middle like, damn, that's really high,

but I got to give it an effort. No. Hey, Ojo, you know you're going to get blown up like, damn. Hey, how far you back. How far you back? How far you back now?

I can't. Joe, I'm looking like, dang. Yeah. Okay. Now, look at me. Hey, look, I would have been already on that block over there before he even went baseline. Just to let him know, don't even come this way. I'm cutting you off.

That man come baseline. Boy, I knew it was over with. Hey, I got to catch you, Mocho. Hey, you jump. I'm going to catch you and run the other way with you. You ain't going to jump. You ain't dug it on me. I'm going to run the other way with you. Man, what you doing?

You're not going to put me on no poster. Nobody want that smoke when that young boy come. I'm not going to put me on no poster. Nobody want that smoke when that young boy comes. Nah, I ain't going to get no. I'm not going to be on your highlight. I'm not going to do it. I'm not. I'm not.

Your game four is Sunday. Probably. Nah, it's probably going to be the late game. Probably going to be the late game. What time do they play, Ash? Ash is going to look up the time. What you thinking, Joe? You think they're going to be, what, the third game?

They're going to be prime time. They playing in middle. I don't think they're going to be prime time because it's going to be the second game. Oh, it's the second game? It's the 3.30 game. It is. It's not. Well, I guess 5.30 would be considered prime, but it's going to be the ABC game.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you got Ant-Man and Luka. Yeah. Because ain't nobody else got stars like that. You got Ant-Man, you got Luka, you got Braun. Yeah. Ain't nobody else got three superstars playing like that. Not Boston, not Indy, Milwaukee,

not the Knicks and Detroit. So nobody has what they have. Okay, so New York, Detroit is the 10 a.m. game. Lakers, Minnesota is 12-30. Then you got Boston, Orlando. 10 a.m.?

No, 10 a.m. which means it's one. One. It's one East Coast time. Okay, okay, 10 a.m., which means it's 1, 1, 1. It's 1 East Coast time. Oh, okay, okay, okay. As you're looking at it. Okay, okay. As you're looking at it at a specific time. But no, it's 1 o'clock, and then it's the 3.30 game,

and then you got the 7, and then you got the 6.30 game. So it's going to be— They're going to bounce back. I'm not overly concerned. I'm not overly concerned. I love the confidence. I love the confidence. I love the confidence that you have in your Lakers. I like it.

We're going to have a very interesting, a very different conversation on Sunday night, Joe. Mark my word. They need to win game four. We're going to win. They don't need to. We done won. Okay. Hey, you saw just a sample

of what Go James is capable of. You just saw a sample. Yeah, I know what he can do. Okay. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Matter of fact, matter of fact, how confident are you? As a matter of fact We gonna get my money Cause you tell you You gonna have my money

In Green Bay Hold on hold on hold on Hold on hold on Scale of 1 to 10 Scale of 1 to 10 How confident are you In the Lakers Winning game

Winning game for Sunday 8.5 8. On a scale of 1 to 10 8.5 8.5 what If it ain't that cool You're cool

That don't cause It's that cool Hey you better Look at some of them profile items you was talking about you better send some of them

to get them right you gonna need it yeah you gonna need it uh no excuse me before we get to the rest of these

NBA games we gotta start to talk about what happened not only yesterday, last night, Ocho, you and I were at Lambeau Field for the first round of the draft, but today, rounds two and three

has passed, and Shador Sanders hasn't been selected. 102 picks, five quarterbacks selected. Cam Ward went number one overall. No surprise there. We knew that once he had his workout, they canceled all other official visits.

That told me everything I needed to know. Boom. Now, Jackson Dart, Tyler Shook, Jalen Milrow, Dylan Gabriel. Now, for context, I want to provide context, because that's what we like to do. Daniel Jeremiah has Shadur, the second-ranked quarterback, four days ago. Now, for context, I want to provide context to the whole joke because that's what we like to do. Daniel Jeremiah had Shadur, the second-ranked quarterback, four days ago. Cam Ward was the eighth overall best player.

Shadur was the 20th best overall player. Jackson Dark, the 36th overall best player. Tyler Shook, 75th overall best player. Jalen Milrow, 86th. Dylan Gabriel, 148th. Mel Kiper Jr., the guru, just four days ago, had Shadur ranked over Cam Ward. He had Shadur as the fifth best player. Cam Ward as the sixth best player.

Jackson Dart as the 28th best player. Tylee Shook, 46th. Pro Football Focus had him second behind Cam Ward just yesterday morning. But we saw today Cam Ward went first. The Giants traded back into the first round, Ocho, to take Jackson Dart in 25th. Tyler Shook went 40 to the Saints. And we thought there Shadur could possibly be nine, go nine to the Saints there.

Nope, they take Tyler Shook. Jalen Milrow, 92nd overall to the Seattle Seahawks, and Dylan Gabriel, 94th to the Browns. Now, they were talking about, well, Shadur arm, you know, you're outside in Cleveland, and then you got Cincinnati. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't start that shit. No, no, no, no.

Give me a second. I'm going to tell you. Give me a second, Ocho. Baltimore outside, Pittsburgh outside, Cincinnati, Cleveland. I don't see where Dylan Gabriel Arm is any stronger than Shador. I could be wrong. I could be. I could be.

But I don't know. And I know I'm going to turn it over to you, Ocho, because I know Joe got questions. I'm going to turn it over to you. I'm going to say this before I do, Ocho. In all my years that I go back to, like, really following the draft and understanding where players are getting drafted,

back in 87, in almost 40 years, I've never seen anything like this. Yeah. I've never seen anything like this. Yeah. I've never seen nothing like this myself. Obviously, I know I only played a short time, but I've been around long enough to know. Obviously, the 11, 12 years I did play,

and all the time I've been retired and enjoying the game and watching it from afar and understanding how good players are, regardless of what scouts may say. The eye in the sky doesn't lie. I watched Adore play from high school. To college. To Jackson State. To what he was able to do at Colorado.

I want everybody to understand. That. You're never bigger than the program. You'll never be bigger than the program. No matter who you are. And they will show you. They will than the program. You'll never be bigger than the program no matter who you are. And they will show you, they will always remind you at any given time,

if at any point you think you are bigger than the program. And that is all we're seeing right now. Joe, that is all we're seeing right now regards to who you are. There's some things I think Prime might have said, I don't want to quote it, but he said it's similar to... There's some places I don't want to go we're not gonna go bingo what

archie manning said when it came to eli same thing no different anyway i got something today i really want to read chat i want you to listen to me real quick i'm not here to to stir up i'm happy for everybody that got drafted i want you to listen to something real quick. I'm not here to stir up. I'm happy for everybody that got drafted. I want you to listen to something that was sent to me on Instagram. Chat, y'all stay with me real quick and just listen to me very, very closely. What we are witnessing, once again, is the machinery of a system that has never quite known what to do with a free black man, much less than a free black family. The NFL, with all its pageantry and power, finds itself uncomfortable, even threatened, when the likes of the Sanders family walk into a room, not asking for a seat at the table, but daring to bring their own. Dion Chador, this family, has refused to shrink to fit the confines laid out for them.

And so the machine does what it has always done. It seeks to diminish, to distort, to remind them and us that there is still a place for black folk. It is not at the head of the table. But the tragedy, you see, is not in their refusal to bow, but is in the nation's fear of black excellence unchained. The fear that has always been the real danger, not the power of our stride, but the shadow we cast when we stand upright, unafraid, and unapologetically ourselves. Yeah, I was talking I was talking to my sister She said

Well you think Shador I said Libby I'm gonna be honest with you If he don't go in the second round I think he might slide out of the third It's all a game It's all a game Look Pocho

Your draft It's a game Your draft story My brother's draft story was a lot different than mine. My brother didn't have to wait long. Yes, sir. First round, seventh pick, boom, he gone. On the plane, on the plane to Green Bay, boom, you, second round. Hey, with red flags, with character issues, school to school. Bouncing over and over.

Why'd he go here? Why'd he go here? Um, bad. Still, second round. We taking a chance on him. Me. There ain't no off the field issues we should do. Nope.

No issues, no nothing. Oh, he's arrogant. Good, great. Oh, he's cocky. I have a question. What was Johnny Manziel? Cocky. Oh, give you one better.

Baker Mayfield. What was Baker Mayfield? What was Johnny Manziel? Oh, give you one better. Baker Mayfield. What was Baker Mayfield? What was Baker Mayfield? Okay, now, what I will say, when it comes to college and you watch film, that motherfucker, oh, I'm sorry, Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield, boy, they played, boy, they were absolutely awesome.

But again, you can't take away what Shadur was able to do at a Denver, Colorado team that won one game. They come back the next year with Shador and win four. And I'm not sure what they won this past season. And then the next year, I think they win nine. Yeah. What did I hear, Ocho? I heard someone says that his confidence doesn't match his game.

So in other words, he does a lot of talking, and his game is not indicative of the type of bravado. What? Hey, okay, Ocho. So my question is, do y'all even think he'll get drafted at this point? I mean, what we do, we do three rounds already? Oh, Lord have mercy, Joe. Hey, look, that's what I started

thinking about. I'm like, hold on. I'm only watching. I'm trying to see two get drafted. I'm like, hold on. You know, I'm hoping, I'm hoping, I'm hoping he goes in the fourth round because here's the culture.

Okay, let me ask you this. Teams that needed a quarterback, what did they do? They took a quarterback in the second and the third round. Yeah. Well, if you already took a quarterback in the second and third round, what's the likelihood

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Especially at this point, Joe, I've never ever seen anything like this. No, I haven't. I'm not talking about black and white. I ain't talking about none of that. I'm talking about based on what I've seen on film with my own eyes. Based on where he was ranked. Compared to other quarterbacks outside of Cam Ward, what are we looking at? I'm not a scout.

I'm not a GM, but I do have conversations. I do understand and know the game. You're not telling me everybody that has drafted before him, what are we talking about? Again, I'm happy for everybody that got drafted.

I'm just saying. We're not trying to diminish anybody. We're trying to make sense of what we're seeing we should do. Because I think the thing is, Ocho, if there's an injury that we didn't know about, we saw Will Howard, the cornerback out of what you call him, he had a propensity when they gave him the scan. They say he has a high risk for knee injury.

So he slid down. Okay, if there's a red flag that we don't know about, but I don't, the guy got great. He was on, I think, the honor roll. I think he had a great GPA. He's never been in trouble. The numbers speak for themselves. So for me to see a guy rated this high with no issues,

that's what's puzzling. Like I said, Ocho, you and I don't know, excuse me, what those 32 teams and how they view him. You know, they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You think that's good? I don't think that bad. You like red? I like black. You like this? I like that. So I don't know, Ocho good i don't think that bad you write like red i like black you like this

i like that so i don't know oh i don't know based on the rankings of all these people that get paid to do this and it's their opinion it's subjective but nobody i don't think anybody really has your door pat cam wards like mel caperiper had Shador one as far as quarterback. Most everybody had him two behind Cam Ward. But to see this precipitous fall, this precipitous drop, and guys, I mean, some guys had Dylan Gabriel when he had him ranked, the 148th best player. Mel wrote the 86th best player.

Tyler Shook, 75th. Shador almost never got past the 20th best player in the draft. He was 20th on some people's board. He was the fifth best player on some people's board. And he's a day three possible. Well, that's it. It's day three. So you get you get one two and then you go you know around four through seven listen i've never seen i've never seen collusion like this

before ever i've never i've never seen it and and you know what it is let's call a spade a spade for those that are watching for those that in the chat i'm not saying there's anything wrong with those that were drafted before him i'm just saying based on my knowledge of the game and understanding of football and what i've watched throughout the years especially from that specific position now the only thing i can say the only red flag for them it's his approach to the game and his confidence i'm assuming that they don't like that but how do you not want a player to feel the way he feels how do you not want a player that believes in himself and his skill set and what he's done and worked his ass off to get to? That could be the only thing.

But that can't be a bad thing because there have been other players that have come before him that approached the same game with that same demeanor and same attitude and belief similar to him. So to me, it really makes no sense. But again, nothing. similar to him so to me it really makes no sense but again nothing and they will always time and time remind us in certain instances that you will never be bigger than the machine or the program and that's all this is that's all it comes down to and it could be a uh it could be a good thing for him too you know what i mean if he do get an opportunity he carry that chip on his shoulder man you know what i mean oh yeah for all the doubters naysayers, the people who didn't believe in him, the teams who continue to pass up on him.

You know what I mean? You use that fire and desire when you touch the field, bro. You know, you let them know what's up. So, I don't know. It could be a blessing in disguise. Tom Brady. But see, people that were Tom Brady, he went in the sixth round. But Tom Brady wasn't as rated as high as Shador.

Tom Brady was a backup basically his whole career except the last six, seven games of his senior season. Right, right. So that's the difference. And like I said, Tom Brady turned out to be what Tom Brady turned out to be. I had a very similar story to Shador because people are like, well, if he was that good, why didn't he go to a D1 school? Well, with my grades, I couldn't have got into juco only place i could get into because there was no there

was no uh you know you didn't have to have the same standardized testing grade to get into a division two school as you did a division one because my year old show 1986 it would have it that was the first year prop 48 so you So you had to make 700. Remember I told you my credit score was my fault? That was also my SAT score. My fault. Now they give you 100 to put your name on the page. I don't know. I might have got that wrong. I might have

left the ER. I might have left the ER for my own name. I'm not sure. I'm not sure, Joe. Hey, don't hold me to that now. Don't hold me. I'm laughing with you because I was a Prop 48 when I went to college, too. I didn't have my ACC score. And, you know, it was challenging, bro. You know, we didn't take the SAT.

We took the ACC. And, you know, back then, Ocho, you know, I played a game. I played a game that Friday night. And then my sister drive me to Georgia Southern to take that test. Man, they're paying me that damn test. And I'm looking at all those students. They writing. I'm just sitting there like, I don't know nothing on here.

Listen, I ain't even got no business laughing. I don't even have no business laughing because you got to understand, I had my red flags and my character issues going to the league because of my reason for bouncing around from school to school you got to understand i graduated from bti hell i didn't graduate from goddamn high school all the time my grades are so bad listen joe joe don't laugh joe i swear for god listen we family we feel like we're talking my dream my dream was i wanted to go toU. So I'm coming to high school. My,

I told my grandma, I said, mama, I want to go down to FAMU right there in Tallahassee. My grandma say, listen, baby, it ain't looking good for you.

There's nothing good for you. I'm going to give you your options on where you might be able to go, but it definitely wouldn't be FAMU. I ended up, I ended up at Langston university, NIA school. Obviously I'm, I'm sure we have some people in the chat from,

from Oklahomaed up at Lace University Get there the first semester I get thrown out For fighting I get thrown out For fighting Man

I never forget Rest his soul Dr. Ernest Holloway Rest in peace Shit me back to Miami I come to my grandma I told my grandma What happened

Look you know My roommate I think my roommate Stole my pal My pale grand money My grandma say Listen baby I've done all I can With. I told my grandma what happened. Look, you know, my roommate, I think my roommate stole my pal, my pal's grand money. My grandma said, listen, baby, I've done all I can with you. I washed my hands. I got to sing you to your mama out there in L.A.

Let me see what she can do with you. That's how I ended up at Santa Monica College. 1997 with Steve Smith. Boom. That's two years down. So I played with Steve that first year. Lo and behold, here I go again. I'm not going to class. I'm thinking, you know, I'm a skill set. It's going to get me through the door.

Man, the people don't play that. They don't play that out there in Santa Monica. Oh, no. Hey, Joe, I'm in. I'm ineligible the third year. So I got to sit out the third year. So that's three years down. I'm at Southwest doing classes. I'm at West L.A. doing classes. And I'm doing classes at Santa Monica just to get my grades together so I could play in 1999. That's four years. I go out there. I get my stuff together. I have one for one scholarship. I had two schools offer me a full ride. One for one. San Diego State Aztecs and Coach Dennis Erickson. He was at

Oregon State. Man, I, hey, Joe, I squeezed through the crack. I got to Oregon State, man. All I needed, Joe, I just needed to be on the big stage just to show them folks I could play football. That's it. Once I got to Oregon State, man, I played. I was there four months. I ain't

going to none class. I ain't going to no classes. You already know what it was. Yeah, this is my last shot. My singular focus was straight football. Hey, Joe, I showed out at Oregon State that little four months I had. Man, I got drafted in the second round despite

all my issues, all my troubles, all my off the field stuff. I ain't looked back since. They ask me, they say, well, Shannon, your grades, what are the rest of them? I say, these ain't looking too good, and the ones that are coming tomorrow ain't going to look much better. So I don't know what y'all hoping for, but that's all I got for you.

That's it. That's it. Listen, my freshman year in college, Ojo, I got a proud 48, so I couldn't play the first semester. Yeah. As a freshman, I can go to the games. I got to sit in the stands. I got to watch the dude.

I got to watch my homies grind out there. You know what I mean? I can't compete. I'm like, so it built up a fire in me. So when I did get eligible, I just took it out on everybody in the SEC, bro. You know what I mean? Yeah. Sometimes when things get

delayed a little bit, you know, you can must up some fire to continue. You can must up some fire that when you get out there, you can let them know what's up. You know what I mean? Yes, for sure. That's why when it goes back to Shadur, man, you know, wherever he goes, bro, I'm sure he'll be happy. And

hopefully he wore that chip, man. He let them know what's up. You know, put get back in that lair. You're absolutely right. And the funny thing about it, too, wherever Shador comes, wherever he goes, I love the saying, it's not when you get drafted. It's what you do once you get there. Absolutely.

And I understand the competitor. I understand the competitor that he is. And wherever he goes, whoever and wherever he goes, if it's a team that doesn't have one of the elite superstar quarterbacks, his competitive nature is going to kick in. And there's a chance that he can beat those quarterbacks out, despite whatever odds or collusion they have against dad. When he gets a chance, he's going to show them.

I know that. Just the competitor in him, he's not going to hold his head. He's not going to let it down. He just wants that opportunity. And once they open that door and he closes behind them, after they play. They, after, after they plan the game, they played these past two days, man, child,

please. Yeah. From like I said, I went through something very similar and I just remember having a conversation with my brother who came in there that night when I didn't go in the first three rounds. And I say, man,

I went to the East West shrine game. I went to the blue gray. I went to the, I went to the combine. I said, man, them guys that Spank, I went to the East-West Shrine game. I went to the Blue-Grey. I went to the Combine. I say, man, them guys that they drafted ain't better than me. I say, they're not better than me, Spank. I say, I saw them. I see all of them. I say, I went to the East-West Shrine game, and I was the best receiver there.

I said, all I want is an opportunity. Give me a helmet and some shoulder pads. And, hey, whoever comes, hey, I'm going to throw all y'all ass in the water. Whoever swims back to shore, that's who get it. Yeah, I like that. That's it. Hold on. And what about the reports?

What about reports? Now, this has happened. Multiple players have done this. He didn't throw at the combine. Yeah, but he threw at his pro day. At his pro day. Yeah, there have been a lot of guys that don't throw at the combine. Yeah, but he threw, but he threw at his pro day. At his pro day. Yeah, there have been a lot of guys that don't throw. Because I want to throw the guys that's familiar with me.

I'm familiar with them. Right. Because it's not like they're going to bring a guy in. You're not going to bring a guy in on a Sunday, and he hadn't thrown to those guys. So, I want to see, I know how my guys run routes. They know how I throw the ball. Boom, it's a perfect marriage. Because I want everybody to look good, I want to see, I know how my guys run routes. They know how I throw the ball. Boom, it's a perfect marriage because I want everybody to look good.

And possibly, Ocho, there might be some guys, if I don't throw on my pro day, if I don't throw, guess what? The scouts are not going to come to see them because everybody's not going to be a first or second round pick. Might be some guys get picked up as a free agent. So I want to cast them in a good light. Yeah. I just look.

It's tough and nothing. When you're going through something, yeah, people are like, you're going to be all right. Hey, at that point in time, you ain't really trying to hear that because you can't see. All I can see was what's in front of me.

Because it takes a special type of a person to see beyond their circumstances. All I can see is right here. No. Not where I wish to be. Not where I'm going to be. Because that's why a lot of people make decisions based on where they are currently, not where they wish to be. It's tough.

It's tough. And I heard what you said, and, you know, like I said, I heard people say, well, I mean, he's extremely confident, but his game doesn't match the confidence. Coach Prime. Look, and I don't know if anybody that's selected now was even in the NFL or selected or in a position when Prime was there. So I don't know how.

I wouldn't, you know. Guys, I don't want to make this. Teams going to... Oh, Joe, you and I played this game. We've covered this game and we've been around this game a long time. These teams going to do what the hell they want to do. Now, they done told y'all, y'all ain't going to make a –

have this guy a quarterback or have this guy the coach. We going to do what the hell we want to do. They're going to select who they want to select, and they believe that, hey, we believe the guy – and they'll tell you, we believe Dylan Brooks is better than Shador. We believe Jackson Dart. We believe Shook. We believe Milrow.

We believe their upside is better than Shador. How do we prove that it's not? I mean, Dylan Gabriel did throw for, had like 150, I mean, he got what, 16, 17,000 yards. He got 130, 140 plus touchdowns. I don't know, but I'm just saying. It's, I just, I don't know what, I can't, I'm at a loss. I normally would have been able to have give you a good,

give you a good excuse or a good reason. I don't like to use the word excuse I would like to give you a reason why I think a person or a player slid. I have some intel Red flag, even though I won't tell you exactly but I would you know Hint around and then I'll let you deduce it for yourself Okay, I don't got nothing I don't got nothing. I don't got nothing. It's not about grades. He doesn't have a pre-existing condition.

He doesn't have, oh, the character issue that he has, he's extremely confident. He believes in himself, which is, I think, one of the most important things you can have as an athlete is confidence, a belief in you. Because if you don't believe in you, who the hell else will, Joe?

Nobody. Yeah. You always got to believe in yourself man almost i don't know all those all those days when i was training alone wasn't nobody there no coaches saw it no other players i did this i believed in me i believed that i was prepared for something greater even though the circumstances that i was in currently look it ain't i mean it should tell you something yes his dad gave him great opportunity, great coaches. He was whip-braided.

He had a throwing coach, whatever the case may be. Isn't that what parents are supposed to do? Put their kids in the best situation so they can succeed? So why would I, if I had the opportunity to put my kids in a situation that I think will enhance them or help them succeed. No, I'm not going to do that. I want you to get it out the mud like I did. What kind of sense does that make? None at all, man. So listen, listen, you, if you, you don't need 2020 vision and those in the chat, even if you don't like Shador, those in the chat, even even you don't like Shador those in the chat even if you don't like prime if you have common sense and you've been watching and then seeing what's going on

you know what it is at that at this point you know exactly what it is I mean it doesn't need to be said even if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before if you feel the players have gotten drafted before Shador at the quarterback position even if you feel the players have gotten drafted before Chidora at the quarterback position, even if you feel they are better, even if you do, you still know what it is. And if you don't, you're just being purposely, you're purposely being naive based on a personal vendetta that you might have against, you know, the Sanders family. This has never, ever, ever, ever, ever been done. No. Ever been done. I've never seen it.

And people saying, and people saying he's not good and he can't play at the next level. Like, stop, man. Stop. You know, quarterback is one of the hardest positions to find, which is why some teams haven't had success in eons. But all of a sudden, come on now. Shaduri even got prank called by someone pretending to be from an NFL team and said, have to wait a little longer. Man, whoever did this, man, y'all some clowns, bro.

I don't even know why you would do that. I mean, at that moment, guys on edge and you're just hoping that you get a call. I mean, that's the call you're really hoping that you get. Obviously, you want to get it as early as you possibly can, but just in there, somebody playing on the phone. Really, guys? Come on, man. Sean Payne says he's very surprised Shador hasn't been drafted yet.

There'll be this chip on his shoulder. There'll be this chip on his shoulder. And beware, because this guy is going to play in this league. Shador's in good spirits after not getting drafted in day two. God don't make mistakes. I got faith in God no matter what. Yeah. Check this out.

Tyler Shook was Justin Herbert's backup. He's eight days older than Trevor Lawrence. Was a freshman at Oregon with Bo Bo. He turns 26 when the season starts, and he's had three seasons that ended in injury.

So now you talk about, remember I said, does he have an injury history? Does he have red flags that we don't know about? Right. Here's a guy that's about to be 26, had seasons in three different occasions with an injury. All I'm saying, y'all chat, take and do with that whatever you like.

I think it's right. I think we have to, Ochoa and I, when we talk sports, when we talk, we have to give you context. Okay, this guy went here. Because I'm trying to explain. Well, Shannon, maybe he has a pre-existing condition. Maybe there's a character issue off the field.

Maybe he has some kind of a problem. We don't know. But we know one guy is about to be 26. I don't know about you, O one guy is about to be 26. I don't know about you, Ocho, but when I got drafted, I was 22.

I don't, I don't even know how old I was. I was 22. I turned, as a matter of fact, I got drafted in April. I was 21 when I got drafted. I turned 22 in June.

This guy's about to turn 26. Uh, it's, there's nothing, there's nothing we can do, we can just talk about it and then hope Shador makes the best of it, Joe let me ask you this what do you think, what's the equivalent of something like this happening in the NBA

do you know a player that was rated extremely high and not only did he fall out of the supposed to be a lottery pick, maybe a top five lottery pick, slid all the way out of the, supposed to be a lottery pick, maybe a top five lottery pick, slid all the way out of the first round, slid all the way out of the second round, because they only have two rounds in the NBA, and ended up having to become

an NBA free agent. The one person I can really remember is probably Rashad Lewis, him sitting in the green room, because you know that, to the draft, and I think he was probably the last one in the green room and I think he thought he was going to the lottery and I think he ended up going in the second round.

Okay. Yeah, that's tough, bro. Like, I couldn't imagine that. Like, it's already anxiety you know, from being in there. They told me I was going to be a top 10 pick, Anken Ocho. So I was invited to the green room. I'm sitting in there, look, even though you know, people have made promises and all green room. I'm sitting in there. Look, even though, you know, people, people don't make promises and all that.

But I'm like, man, you never know, bro. You know, right. You know what I mean? So, uh, but it was definitely a surreal feeling, you know, getting drafted, getting, getting a chance to shake David Stern's hand. Uh, just a memorable moment for me. And man, I remember it like it was yesterday bro but yeah outside of rashad i don't really know uh nobody who's kind of got left back there like that but there's got to be a tough feeling you

know what i mean and look yeah rashad had a great career from that bro he probably still wears that chip on his shoulders to this day you're probably you're probably right yeah um when you look at I mean Thurman Thomas Thurman Thomas ended up falling asleep he thought he was going to be a first round pick he goes in the second round Thurman's in the hall of fame he won he won the MVP in I think 91

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