Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Tomlin names Russ the starter, Jerry praises Dak, Sean McDermott's bulljive

Episode Date: March 25, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson discuss Mike Tomlin naming Russell Wilson the starting quarterback, Jerry Jones saying the Cowboys can win the Super Bowl with Dak Prescott and much much more! 0:00 Introduction03:30 L’Jarius Sneed leaves Chiefs, signs with Titans14:50 Mike Tomlin says Russell Wilson is in “pole position” for starting QB job28:20 Jerry Jones says Dak Prescott can win a Super Bowl42:00 Sean McDermott says it’s narrow-minded to say the Bills haven’t been successful without a Super Bowl49:15 Robert Saleh likes the quietness of the Jets offseason53:00 NFL concerned about the dip in scoring across the league58:40 Jerod Mayo says all options are still on the table for no. 3 pick #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am your favorite unc, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, route runner extraordinaire, Liberty City's own. Yeah. Run routes like they were on clouds. Bengals ring of fame, honoree, Bengals pro bowler. All pro

multiple times. Led the league in receiving yardage a couple of times. Yeah. He's missed the result. Hold on, hold on. I got one for you. What you got?

Led the AFC, second player, only the second player to ever do so, lead the AFC four years in a row in receiving yards. But go ahead. Chad Ochocinco Johnson. Please, please make sure you subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed you can listen to us through the night through the club Shay Shay feed but we would greatly

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News cap. We learned over the weekends the Chiefs are trading LeJarrius Sneed to the Tennessee Titans for a 2025 third-round pick. We know LeJarrius Sneed had one of the better seasons this year for defensive back, although he was not rewarded for it with a

Pro Bowl or an All-Pro selection. Just look at what he was able to do against some of the top receivers that the Kansas City Chiefs faced, and that speaks for itself. But it seems to me a lot of Chiefs fans are upset because they didn't get more. It's like if you're going to only get a third

for him, you might as well keep him. But Ochoa looks, I think from my vantage point, because he doesn't have a Pro Bowl on his resume, because he doesn't have an All-Pro on his resume, he wasn't going to command the ransom that team gave up for Jalen Ramsey or what a team gave up for Stefan Gilmore.

Had he had one of those pelts on his resume. Now we're talking to first, first or late second round of, excuse me, a late first or second round pick, but because he didn't, he got that solely because he's been very, very good.

And the chiefs wanted to reward him. He's been a model citizen in their organization. And I don't want him disgruntled playing on the franchise tag, knowing that we can't pay him. Ain't no sense in us fooling him and saying, hey, if you just play this year for us on the franchise tag, we'll take care of you next year. They know that. He knows that.

Let him move on. You got three Super Bowls out of him. I don't really know what else you could ask. He's been great for you on and off the field. So I think it was a great trade for them, and I'm happy for him. Yeah, I'm happy for him as well. Obviously, to me, I think he's one of the top three chats. Stay with me real quick here. I think he's one of the top three cover man-to-man corners in the NFL. Man-to-man. I don't need no help. If I need to follow your best receiver the entire game, all four quarters, I can do that. He's one of those that will allow the defensive coordinator for the Tennessee Titans to be able to do more defensively because he can lock down one side of the field and not need safety's help or need any goddamn bluffing and all this salad dressing that defenses do. You know what?

You got number 10 all game. He's able to do that. I'm happy for him. He has the Super Bowl rings. Now you've been compensated for the work you put in. Now you're getting that check. Now you can play the game you love. Your family is set. And you're good. Right. You're good.

There's really nothing to complain about. And the Kansas City Chiefs understood that there's no way, whether he had a Pro Bowl, whether he had an All-Pro, we know the type of caliber player he is once you turn that goddamn film on. Yes.

And the Tennessee Titans knew that as well. And so what? Oh, we're going to play you. So now he has an even better season. He goes to the Pro Bowl. He becomes an All-Pro. If you couldn't pay him this year with none of those on his resume, how the hell are you going to pay him next year with those on his resume?

So I agree with you, Ocho. I like to tell guys this. Okay, you got your rings. It's kind of like a normal person that works a nine to five. You made all the money. Now go do what you like to do. OK, he's got the Super Bowl rings. Now let's see how much money you can go make.

Because you got the jewelry. Now let's see if I can secure my family, family, family. Right. For multiple generations so congratulations he had the big play against the Ravens got beat hey he got up first of all

he gave up a play then the guy stood up oh the guy stood up over him Zay Flowers remember he stood up over him that backed him up Zay Flowers come back runs the shallow cross Legere punches it out on the goal line. Touchback. Ball comes

out and the Kansas City really never really felt threatened after that point. And then you remember Ocho in the wild card game with Divisional. In Divisional when he got that quick jam on Tyreek. On Tyreek. Tyreek in the dirt. Yeah. that quick jam on Tyreek. On Tyreek, yeah. Yeah, Tyreek in the dirt.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, that quick jam with that freeze to get you. If you ain't. Oh, yo. Listen, you better be dipping. You better be dipping that shoulder one way or another because once you quick jam and he watching the ball, there's really nothing you can do because as a receiver,

your ass got to be inside looking at the ball. Especially because you're on the road, so you can't hear. You got to look and see at the snap so you can't hear you gotta look and see you can't hear nothing yeah and yeah if i'm tyreek how many times you think somebody tried to put hands on tyreek and run the risk of missing him and he he do this to you oh no yeah yeah not not very many not very many but you know you know they play that soft shell too now yeah you know they play that soft shell so he's willing to get up there and challenge like that knowing that he does have a little help behind him. But neither here nor that.

You never, ever, ever really see anybody get their hands on regardless, whether there's help behind him or not. But LeJarrius, he's the best I've seen at this in the new school. Now, guys did that a lot. That was something that they did a lot because you had to get physical because I believe the receivers were a little bit more physical and you had to play through contact because they allow the DB to be a little more handsy than what they do now.

So you had to play through that contact. So guys had to quick jam you because you didn't want one of those guys to get ahead of steam and you got hell on your hands trying to get him down. Yeah. But, uh, and you know, the question is, oh, Joe, how much did this trade impact Chiefs' chances of 3-peating? Well, I don't think it impacts them at all. I don't think it impacts them at all. They still have a nice core of defensive backs there.

I think someone else is just going to step up and sneeze place. Obviously, I think they're probably going to be able to draft well. That's something that Andy Reid and that organization has always done extremely well on the defensive side of the ball and the offensive side of the ball. But again, the pieces to the puzzle, only one piece really matters. That centerpiece, that nucleus. As long as Mahomes is still there, they're going to always be in contention. We have to remember that this is the NFL, excuse me, this is the NFL driven league that is run by the quarterback position. Having pieces around, having a great corner and all that stuff run by the quarterback position. Having pieces around,

having a great corner and all that stuff is fine and dandy, but Spags will do the job he needs to do with the players that he has. And obviously you might not be able to do some of the things, or you might not have a luxurious need on your hands, but you're able to condense that around different, not formations, different, how do you say it? How do you say it? Youense that around different, not formations, different. How do you say it? How do you say it? You know how you can, you can only hide your player so much. Yeah. Yeah. So they're not exposed. Fags knows what he can and can't call based on the personnel that he has. I'll put it like that. I think also, if you look at McDuffie, who was a first team all pro corner, Jalen Watson, who's the nickel was the starter before McDuffie, who was a first-team All-Pro corner, Jalen Watson, who's the nickel,

was the starter before McDuffie got there. So you don't feel that if we have to start Jalen Watson that I don't feel that, obviously, there's some, but we're like, hey, he started for us the lion's share of the season a year ago, and we went to him and won a Super Bowl. So we have to put him in,

and Joshua Williams was, I think, a high draft pick for the Chiefs. The Chiefs, Brett Beach and, as you mentioned, Ochoa, have done a great job of drafting. You look at their drafting players, Kalafas, you look at McDuffie, Brian

Cook, Joshua Williams, you look at some of the guys that they've drafted, Rasheed Rice. They've been great. Now, the only thing is, Scott Moore's got to take the next step. This is his third year, Hojo. He's a junior now.

Hey, this is the make or break of year. This is the make or break of year. If you're going to arrive on the scene for any position, whether it be quarterback, whether it be DB, whether it be tackle, center, linebacker, this is your year.

This is your year. Because at this point now, you should have had it figured out. Yeah. You should have had it figured out. The speed of the game, the offense, there are no more excuses. Once you hit your third year, you got to hit the floor running. You got to hit it running. Yes.

So they still have their nucleus. They have CJ. They have my homeboy. They have Andy. They have Trav. Pacheco. Pacheco. They're going to be going to be. It's interesting to see what they're going to do with McKinnon. He's the third about third down back. Really do everything. Can catch out of the backfield. Does a great job of a blitz pickup. It's going to be interesting. I don't think he was going to get more than a one-year deal.

The question is, does he want to be that one year to be in Kansas City or be somewhere else? All things being equal, if the money is comparable, I'm coming back because I know I'm going to win. I know my role. I know what to expect. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see what happens with him. But congratulations to LeJarrius Sneed.

Job well done. Earned a big payday. Oh, yeah, but wait, wait, wait. Before you even go nowhere, before you even go nowhere, I know LeJarrius Sneed, I know you're going to see this, and I've done this to all DBs and all receivers. You know I play both sides of the ball, so if you really want to get some work in, if you want to get some

work in this offseason to make sure you go into camp, you're going to go into the OTAs on point. I'm available. We can do some one-on-ones. The one-on-ones that I do is old school one-on-ones. We start on the goal line and we do as many routes as possible until we get to the opposite side of the field.

That's the kind of work we get in. We take a five-minute break, then we bring it on back. Yeah, that's a different kind of workout. That man choked me. And you shit. You crazy as hell. You crazy as hell. The Tennessee Strangler.

Listen, his last name won't be Sneed if he cover me. You hear me? Yeah, it will. Because I'm not the one or the two. He got something for you. He got something for you. No, he don't. He got something for you. Nah, no, he don't.

Yeah. He going to show all that little back shoulder pain. That little back shoulder pain that you going to try to run. That little stutter. Hey, I'm going to tell him. When he hop, let me tell you what he going to do. Now, when he hop, he going to try to open you up. He going to try to run the quick stand on you.

So just stay right there. Stay right there. You know what? In the matter of fact, I'm going to hop and I'm going to take off. Huh? I'm going to hop and I'm going to take off. Huh? I'm going to hop and I'm going to take off. Hold on. You're on the goal line.

Where are you going? Fifth row? Who said we was on the goal line? You just said we started on the goal line. No, no. We start on the goal line, work our way out. Okay. Out.

Not in. Oh, I thought you said start on the goal line, then go back. Okay, we start on the goal line. No, no, no. Then we go to the team. Yeah, we do. That's the way I used to do my one-on-ones in the offseason. I start on the goal line, then go back. Okay, we start the goal line. No, no, no. Then we go to the team. That's the way I used to do my one-on-ones in the offseason. I start on the goal line.

You play man-to-man, you can play off either way. And we move the ball down the field. Wherever I catch it, that's where we start the next rep. And I never go deep. I ran nothing deep ever. So, Rob, three from one to six. Guess what? I'm going to go ahead and pick it, and I'm done with you for the day.

Yeah, what I'm going to do, I'm going to go ahead and pick it. I'm done with you. Pick who? Pick a poker? I'm going to pick the ball off. Pick your nose? Man, you ain't picking nothing off here. Shoot.

Hey, Snead, I know you're going to see this, but you want some real work. Real work. Hey, did I hit the prime on you to the end zone. Oh, Joe, Mike Thomas said, Russell Wilson is in the pole position at quarterback and the team has been transparent in the pecking order. When it comes to letting fields know that he'll have a chance to compete when they feel it's the right, is it, it, it is the right time. Yeah.

Wilson has a lot of experience in terms of what it takes to be the guy over the course of a 12-month calendar. I just think there's something to a younger guy that, like Justin, can learn from Tomlin saying, okay, the pecking order, pole position, that means you've earned the right to be in the number one spot. To be the starter. That don't mean that's the way it's going to end up now. That's right. That's right. That's right. Now, what kind of leash is Mike Tomlin giving him?

How long is the leash? Is it a short leash or is it a long leash? Is it a medium-sized leash? A million dollar leash ain't that long. Oh, I'm with you when you're right. A million dollar leash

ain't that long, Coach Hill. Listen, a million dollar leash isn't that long Listen a million dollars Isn't that long But what The situation Russell Wilson is going to Is in his favor Yeah

By much You know God God say He has favor right Well he has it for Russell Wilson Because the situation That he's going into Is in his favor

For one Remember the organization You're going to You're going to a winning organization You're going to a winning organization. You're going to a winning coach. They have the pieces offensively where you'll be able to hide any weaknesses that he may have. Any weakness that he may have at this point in the career will be taken care of. Russell Wilson is going to be fine. And I'm saying this as a as a as a Bengal legend and allegiance to my bangles,

he is going to be fine. So, and again, it's a good thing. It's a good thing. Patrick Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith for a year. Yep. There's nothing wrong with Justin Fields,

who I believe is going to be the quarterback of the future for the Pittsburgh Steelers sitting behind Russell Wilson and taking some of the small nuances and what it takes to be a leader from someone who was a perennial playoff, playoff quarterback. Yes. And a quarterback and a Superbowl champion. Nothing wrong with that. But let me tell you,

can I, can I play devil's advocate? The difference between Patrick Mahomes situation and Justin Fields, Patrick Mahomes came in as a rookie. Justin Fields going into his fourth year. Yeah, I know what you mean. Aaron Rodomes came in as a rookie Justin Fields going into his fourth year yeah I know what you mean Aaron Rodgers came in as a rookie Justin Fields is going into his fourth year and right he's been a starter for the lion's share of his the better part of his career so it's a different mindset being a rookie not starting not all of a sudden being thrust in

as opposed to being a starter and going to the bench and waiting your turn and see maybe this is a good thing though the fact that he had to come in it was thrown to the Sharks the fact that he had to come in it was thrown to the Wolves and matter of fact he went to an organization can you tell me the last time that the Chicago Bears

organization from top to bottom have developed a decent quarterback? No. At what point? At what point at any point in their historic franchise have they done right by any quarterback and put the pieces around them so they could succeed

offensively? When? When you think of the Chicago Bears, what do you think about? They're calling the monsters. They think of the monsters of the midway. The monsters of the Chicago Bears, what do you think about? They're calling the monsters. They're calling the monsters of the midway. The monsters of the midway. I think of goddamn Refrigerator Perry. I think of Jim McMahon, Walter Payton, and goddamn the Peanut Punch.

But it was the defense, the 46 defense. Richard Dent, Mike Singletary. Mike Singletary. McMichael, Wilbur Marshall, I think Leslie Frazier was on that team. Doug Plank. Wait, which Leslie Frazier? The DB.

Wait, Leslie Frazier, that was my D coordinator at Cincinnati? Yeah, he played in the league. Wait, I ain't no Les Frazier for the goddamn Bears? You serious or you bull jiving? I will lie to you, Joe. Man, I ain't no Let's Play for the goddamn Bears? You serious or you bull driving? I will lie to you, Joe. Man, I ain't no Let's Play, though, DB.

Damn, I wish I'd known that while he was in Cincinnati. I would have lined your ass up on out here, man. Let me see what you got. He put something on you. That old man. Yeah, he was hell. He was hell back then, huh? He didn't have to hold up long.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That D-line was crazy. Yeah, that D- he was here he was here he was here back then huh he didn't have to hold up long oh yeah yeah yeah that d-line was crazy yeah that d-line was crazy damn that's a good one that's dope that's dope to know that's dope to know yeah so uh it's gonna be very interesting it's different uh it's one thing ocho to be to come in and says okay i don't really know i don't know what i know and he has to learn the offense. It's not like Russ has a substantial advantage over him other than he's been in the league a lot longer. He kind of understands the nuances of it, but we both have to learn a new system and go from there. But

to go from a starter, hey, you did it. When you went to New England, it was a different role for you. You just came. Hey, offense up. You head to the field. Now was a different role for you. You just came. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, offense up. You head to the field. Now, you stand on the sideline.

You got to keep your legs warm. You got to keep your mind sharp. You might not play for one or two, three series. Then you're going in on third down. You ain't got no rhythm. It's different. At all. At all. And you know what's so funny?

Now that you just brought that up. I always thought about it You would think so if I had the choice during that time Obviously if we were in control of our destiny in general for me per se Work during that time when I got traded to the Patriots many people say, you know I wouldn't that's not a place I would have chosen to go to huh? If you think about it from all four listen from my offensive perspective people say man are you crazy boy you're going to play with Tom Brady but but listen Tom Brady also had players that

were already there that understood the system Deion Branch for one you had Wes Welker stay with me now you had Julian Edelman too Gronk Then you had Gronk and you had Aaron Hernandez. I'm like, come on now. God, I mean, it just it just it just it just wasn't the right fit. Sometimes in life, sometimes in life, some people say, oh, you just plug a player in and you just go. It just it just it just didn't it didn't it didn't fit. It didn't fit what you did because that offense worked from inside out. Inside out. Thank you.

How come it's only us that understand that? And unless your last name is Moss, that's the only way. If you were an outside receiver who predominantly plays on the outside, you're going to see that type of production that we're used to seeing. But it worked, though. It worked. It worked. But Moss, you're talking about one that type of production that we're used to seeing but it worked though but Moss he talking about one of the top three receivers to ever play the game all time

unless you Moss and there will be no recreation or reincarnation of him and nobody else but you know what I'm trying to say but again it was a great experience though it was a phenomenal experience but that's the difference. And a lot of people say, man, why would LeBron do a podcast with JJ?

Because there are certain things, nuances to the game, that only somebody that played the game could possibly understand. Me, if he was like, he should have did a podcast with you, to do what? He and I can't talk basketball on that level, just like he can't talk football on the level you and I have in the discussion. Right, right. Because if I say LeBron, they came out in the over front.

And they look like they're going to go over what? Over what front? You know what I'm saying? Over front or under front. You know what I'm saying? They're going to run cover five, which is 22 million. He don't know what cover five is? Over front or under front. You know what I'm saying? They're going to run a couple of five, which is 22 man. He don't know what a couple of five is. Right, right, right. If we say they run, you know, they're going to run six kick, six kick. So there's nuances to a discussion. Do I have a general knowledge and an understanding of basketball, yes, but there are certain things that only a person that have played the game

could possibly understand. You and I have a conversation saying, if you look at the Patriots' offense and the way it's always been, it's been an inside-out type of an offense with the exception of the two to three years that Randy was there. But if you look at Brady,

he mainly worked between the numbers. Numbers, right. And that's okay, but there are certain nuances to a discussion that only someone is like... We were having the discussions, Ocho, about

Michael B. Jordan. He says it's hard finding someone to understand that you got this craft and you got a gift, and you need somebody to understand your sacrifice. I'm always understand that you got this craft and you got a gift and you know you want you know you need somebody to understand your sacrifice i'm always a believer that's why movie stars marry other movie stars because they know what it's like to sacrifice because they've been in a situation where they've asked somebody that wasn't in the business to sacrifice and they couldn't possibly

understand yeah so when you and i have a conversation, a more nuanced conversation, we don't really get too in depth because that's, that's not what we try to do. We're not trying to, I'm not trying to impress you with my football knowledge. I think it goes without saying, playing the game the way I played, as long as I played, I think most fans understand that I have a great understanding of the game of football, the X's and O's. Just like LeBron, I mean, you're talking about the brain. There might not be four or five players in the history of the game that has a better understanding of the game

that played the game than LeBron. And then J.J. played, you played 14, 15 years like J.J., obviously they can have a nuanced conversation that LeBron and I could never have. And especially that's just about basketball. They don't talk about anything else other than basketball.

We talk about a lot of other things other than football. So this works for us. But yeah, I think the thing is, but hey, you heard what he said. Being transparent, Wilson just got a lot of experience in terms of what it takes to be the guy over the course of 12 months of a 12-month calendar and i just think that's something the younger guy justin can learn from but he didn't say justin feels not gonna have a chance to compete he said when it comes to letting justin the fields know that he'll have a chance to compete when they feel as the time is right.

And we know when the time would be right, when things aren't going well. When things aren't going well, they're on a skid offensively. They're on a skid in losing games. Then they will obviously make a change. I mean, it's common sense. We understand how that works. Yes. When the fans are booing.

Now, do I think it will get to that point? I doubt it. I doubt it. I doubt it because right now, we already saw a clip of Russell Wilson doing exactly what? He's already out there. He's already out there putting in the work. And I guarantee you,

the receivers, the running backs on that team, he's got everybody's phone number. And at some point, the next thing we're going to see is a video of all them getting work in before they even go back to the offseason program. So when it is time to get together

in a structured environment as a team, they already had it eight ball. Yes. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, there are certain things having had the relationship with a quarterback because this is new to them. I really didn't have to do a whole lot with John because I spent five, six years with him. So in the offseason, there's no need for us to work because he was far beyond that. He got four kids, young kids. He ain't got time for that at all. And I'm not trying to spend any more time in

Denver because when I was back in Denver, I didn't go back to Atlanta. When I went to Atlanta, I didn't go back to Denver until I absolutely had to. So it was like, man, I can't wait. When I was up out of there, I was up out of there. But you have a general understanding of where he likes to put the ball. He has an

understanding of where you like the ball, how you like to catch the ball, give you an opportunity to protect yourself, because that's all I've asked any quarterback that I've played with, Ojo, is just allow me to protect myself. I understand that there's going to be times, hey, it's not like he's playing in a phone booth

that he's protected and the elements are not on him. Rain, wind, snow, whatever the case may be. But just give him an opportunity if you possibly can. Now, if you're getting taken one to the chops, hey, it is what it is. And that's what the understanding is. But I

commend Russ and these guys that go to different teams and they get bring the receivers in and you got an understanding of how they run the routes the timing of the route now you know it's a little different though joe because ain't nobody air you get a free release ain't nobody putting hands on you anything like that ain't nobody ain't no uh d lineman just beat the offensive lineman clean and now you got to run for your life everything is perfect but you kind of get a general sense of how he runs the route and the timing and what's the timing going to be.

Three step, five step. Very few teams take seven steps now. Because everybody's in the gun. So basically you take three and a half and you let the ball go. Right. Oh, yeah. You good? You want to add anything else to that?

No, no, no, no. I didn't say my piece no no no no i didn't hey i don't say my piece i don't say my piece i don't say my piece jerry jones says dak prescott can win the show again jerry jones says i think there are a handful a handful of more quarterbacks playing who haven't won a super bowl than will win a super bowl i think dak is one of them. I'm firm there. He's one of the ones who can. Now, you remember immediately after the season, Jerry says, we're only going to go as far as Dak cares us, and this is as far as he could carry us.

Why does Jerry keep doing this? Chat, if there's anybody that's a Cowboy fan in here, I apologize. I apologize that you have to go through this for my owner who seemed to be in denial, who really doesn't understand. I need to do something different for a change. I need to change up my philosophy. I need to change up my way of thinking, the way I'm running business, because maybe if I do that, maybe the results on the back end will be different. Let's talk about Super Bowls real quick. Okay.

One, it's very, very difficult to win a Super Bowl. Yes. It's very, very difficult. I think we as fans, even myself, even as players, we've been spoiled with Tom Brady and their success. Now in today's era, we're spoiled with the consistency that Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs have, being that they have three. So let's go through a few quarterbacks real quick that have won a Super Bowl. We got Drew Brees. He has one ring.

It took 20 goddamn years. We got Aaron Rodgers. He has one ring. It took 17 years so far. I'm not saying he can't do it. No, no, no. He got more. Aaron Rodgers. He has one ring. It took 17 years so far. I'm not saying he can't do it. Oh, no, no, no. He got more. Aaron came in.

Didn't Aaron come in in 2005? Wouldn't Aaron come in in 2005? No, four was what you call a draft with Eli and him, right? Eli and Big Ben and J.P. Lossman and Phillip. I'm right, right? You got one. He got one, but Aaron Rodgers played

like 19 years. 19? Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. I'm off a little bit. So that's one ring. See how long it took though, right? Brett Favre

played 20 seasons. He has one ring. Went to two Super Bowls, one ring, correct. Two Super Bowls. Kurt Warner played 12 seasons. He has one ring. Went to two Super Bowls, one ring. Correct. Two Super Bowls. Kurt Warner played 12 seasons. He has one ring. Now, if I'm not

mistaken, how many Super Bowls did Steve Young win? I know as a starter. He played 15 seasons. Yeah, but he won. He was on the team that won in 88, 89. He won one of the starter. As a starter.

Yeah, okay. That's all I'm saying. As a starter. One ring. Do you see how difficult, how difficult, these are some of the greatest quarterbacks of all time

to win a Super Bowl. And it took so long. Peyton. It took so long. You got two. Obviously, you know, Peyton has two. And we know what Mahomes and we know what Tom Brady have done. It took so long. You got two. Obviously, you know, Peyton has two. And we know what Mahomes and we know what Tom Brady have done.

It's so difficult to even get to that place to where you can host that Lombardi trophy. But if you look at all the names I talked about, they didn't have an owner. They said the front center of attention. You know? of owner that's at the front center of attention. They didn't have any distractions in the offseason that's already adding added pressure and fuel to the fire and they're even trying to play fucking football. So now you go into the season

and the first thing you hear about, well shit, your goddamn owner said, you're the one that can get a Super Bowl. Here you go. I believe in it. Come on, why? Why even add that food to the plate and just let the fellas play fucking football. Let them play football, man. It's simple. Take a backseat. You don't always have to be in front. You know what? I blame the goddamn media. Stop asking them questions. That's calm. That give them material. Stop asking them questions. Look at, look at Jerry notes. Look at his copious. That's calm. That gives him material. Stop asking him questions.

Look at, look at Jerry notes. Look at his copious notes. He's taking, he ain't even taking no notes. He does. He does scribbling stuff on there. He does scribbling stuff.

Man, leave that man. Them copious notes, man. That's fine. Hey, come on, man.

Listen, I mean, you got no, like you're a third year law student. Listen, I'm not, I'm not, I'm a fan of football. I'm a, I'm not, I'm a fan of football.

I'm a fan of, of, of liking players to see succeed at their individual craft and position. For Dak to succeed, for Dak to do well, he needs no added pressure for the person that sits high and looks low the way he's doing. You don't need that. you don't need that you don't need that in the offseason like come on man the fucking position as itself is already hard enough to get to a super bowl is already hard enough it's not a joke it's not something you say hey one in one one breath you know what we all in we're gonna be all in and then you've done nothing this offseason right pertaining to you being all in. Now you come back two weeks later, three weeks later.

Oh, I believe in that. Well, hell, I believe in them too. I believe in them. Why you even mention the fucking word Super Bowl? Let's get past the playoffs first. Let's start there. God damn. I Ocho just said

we got a poll up say which happens first Cowboys win Super Bowl or the next Haley's Comet. Now the Haley's Comet happened in 1986. I remember because I saw it because I was in the sixth grade and my science professor Dr. Prentice Burkholder,

told us it was coming. So I made sure I looked up into the sky and I saw it. The next one arrives in 2061. God damn. It only happens between 75 and 79 years. Right. It was like 77 and a third,

76 and a half. So they just like, okay, it's kind of hard to pinpoint. So let's go between 75 and a half. So they just like, okay, it's kind of hard to pinpoint. So let's go between 75 and 79 years. So the cats seem to think that Haley's comment is going to happen before the next Cowboy Super Bowl. Listen, man, like it,

I'm not going to say it bothers me, but if I'm a Cowboy fan, it would bother me. I'm a fan of football in general. I'm a fan of wanting to see the players on the Cowboys succeed. But you know what? I'm going to let you take it.

No, I want to keep on talking. I want to keep on talking because I'm a Cowboy fan because I already know. Because there's nothing, nothing makes you feel more let down than expectations. That's the number one killer, Ocho,

is expectations. Because if you have expectations, like if you got kids and you already know one of them bad, they can call you like, I already know which one it is. But if you got this one that's been a model citizen, you have these

expectations. Oh, that's going to be my athlete. He's going to go to the NFL or she's going to be the doctor or she's going to be the law. And then all of a sudden, instead of going to law school, she got three babies by the time she's 20. Or all of a sudden, he ain't, he

flunked out of school, not college, high school. you're so disappointed because of the expectations that you had see Cowboys fans have these expectations that they believe every year their team is going to win the Super Bowl and when

it doesn't happen now the Cowboys fan had these expectations because of who who was the person leading them astray? Oh, he give them false hope, man. Every time. He give them false hope. And I'm trying to understand.

I'm trying. I would love to know how many Cowboys fans are happy with the way Jerry carries himself as far as from a media perspective and always being in front of the camera. Ash said, no, she's not happy. Ash is a Cowboys fan. Oh, for real? Yeah. the camera. No, she's not happy. Ash is a Cowboys fan. Oh, for real? Yeah.

She said, no, we're not happy. I don't understand, man. Listen, I love Jerry from a business aspect. And even I, obviously, I'm not in his position, but if I was in his position and things weren't going

the way I want them to, I mean, I would be able to see the light. I would be able to see the light. I would be able to say, I would be able to see the light and saying, you know what? If I want things to change, I think they might have to start with me. Because it always starts with

yourself and looking in the mirror. That goes for anybody. Ain't that what Mike said? Start with the man in the mirror. Asking him to change his ways. Bingo. This is like a life lesson for people in the chat that's watching let's say your life your life ain't ain't going the way you

want you know you have plans you got goal you got aspirations but for some reason she just keep falling by the wayside it started with the person right there what am i doing actually said what am i doing wrong change up your routine. You know, stop doing it. Maybe stop drinking. Maybe stop smoking. Who knows what it may be, but Jerry, you got somebody around him. If ain't nobody around him going to say nothing because they don't want to mess up their money. Jerry got to see it for himself.

Okay. Like, I'm there and about to cry because for me, this is not, this is not. But the kids are just like him though, Ocho. You hear Steven? Who? Steven and the kids. just like him, though, Ocho. You hear Steven. Who? Steven and the kids. He got a Jerry Jr., Steven, and a Charlotte. That's the daughter.

You know what the funny thing about it? They might not be the same. They might understand what it takes. They might. They might do. They might do. They just can't say anything because they understand that Jerry runs the show and he called the shots.

Ocho, How do we? We're not taught. We don't have any abilities. Everything that we're taught, we're taught that. We don't have senses. We're taught to love. We taught, you follow,

like what time it is to eat, where you go to the kitchen, where you go to the bathroom. You didn't just automatically know that. So when you see somebody do all the things that what you think they it is to eat, where you go to the kitchen, where you go to the bathroom. You didn't just automatically know that. So when you see somebody do all the things that you, what you think they're going to do. Stephen Jones be the same thing. Every year, this team reminds me of those Super Bowl teams.

So we're taught, Ocho, we're taught. We're creatures, we're taught Ocho we're taught We're creatures We're taught things I think I need to go on down there And holler at Jerry myself You go right ahead I go ahead and holler at him Baby you got to Come on now We need you to take a back seat

Ain't nothing wrong with that Well you gonna get the credit Don't worry about it I'm gonna make sure you get the credit No you won't No you won't I'm gonna make sure you get the credit No you won't

No you won't That's Who got the credit When No, you won't. No, you won't. I'm going to make sure you get the credit. No, you won't. No, you won't. Who got the credit when them first two bowls? Jimmy. Jimmy. And then even when he won in 95, what did they say, Ocho? I don't know if you remember. They say you won with Jimmy's players. That's why he would have been so bad right now.

See, Ocho? You see? That's why, man, the egos, you're dealing with alpha alphas. What you think caused Tom Brady and Coach Belichick to break up? I need to get more credit than you. I'm tired of people saying Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. Well, it was Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. I'm tired of people saying what happened was Tom, Tom, Tom.

I would show you I could win one without you. Shit. You know what I'm saying? Shit. Jay said, I'm going to win one without you. So he you so he would he would he would that would be his the three super bowls that jerry have they mean a lot to him the problem jerry has such success so early in his career within his first six seven years he had three to win one with a mike mccarthy or a coach because if you get if you get Bill Belichick, you're not getting credit. He is.

If you got a Sean Payton, you're not getting credit. He is. He is, yeah. If you can win one with one of these guys, that's just a coach in theory, a figurehead. That really has no power, but go ahead. None. That would mean more to Jerry than the other three.

Listen, I would love for him to win it. And not because of Jerry. I would love for Dak. I would love for Dak. Micah fucking host pull that motherfucking trophy up. CD Lamb. You know what it would do for the organization?

What? What? Oh, Joe. Financially? Do you do real money? Financially? Even though they're number one. Yes, they're number one. Yes.

Let's double that. Let's triple that. Oh, Joe. Jerry, if you're such a businessman, how are you not understanding that? You know what? You know what? You know what? Damn, I could really double and triple my net worth if we were to actually win a Super Bowl.

But if I did things a are a little different. Maybe, just maybe, it can happen. But as long as I'm eating, as long as I'm number one, you know what, I'm just going to keep doing things my way.

I'm doing 400 mil a year and we ain't even come close to winning the Super Bowl. But now, I get out of the way. I might make 500 million, but I'm not going to get the credit for it.

Hmm. Nah, give me the phone. Give me the phone. Give me the phone. I ain't the smartest. Listen, I ain't the smartest apple in the motherfucking bunch. But I can see the light

at some point. You ain't got to be the smartest. You got to know. Well, hell, goddamn, doing the same thing over and over and over and over after so long

at some point, you know, like my grandma say, a hard head make a soft ass. A hard head make a soft ass. You're going to keep getting the same results. Yeah.

But, but like I said, they're learning. You learn how to run a business through your father or whoever. Like, oh, my mentor. You hear people say, my mentor. Or you take the mannerisms of said

person that you watch closely and the success or the... and you try to like, but that's what they know. So, good luck. Sean McDermott, head coach of the Buffalo Bills, says it's narrow-minded to say we haven't succeeded without a Super Bowl. McDermott says a Super Bowl isn't the only measure of a coach's accomplishment. Yes, it is. And Josh Allen says, yes, it is.

And a team's accomplishment. Yes, it is. I don Allen is a compliment. Yes, it is. And a team is a compliment. Yes, it is. I don't know who the hell told you. See, that's when you try to sell some bull jive. You try to sell the fans bull jive calling it sauteed spinach. No, it ain't. It's bull jive.

He said, I think like anything, when you talk about the Bills, whether it's Josh, myself, our team, we've had so much success. Really? Okay. To say we haven't had success or Josh hasn't had success, I think we'd be kind of narrow-minded. That's what the NFL is.

College is where you try to take young men and try to mold them and try to mold them into what they're gonna be boy i'm paying you money here uh-uh hey hey all right you think me to tell me i'm paying you 40 50 million dollars and man he got to go well he had to go last year after that after last year two years in a row you had home field against cincinnati they beat the brakes off you you had home field against patrick mahomes and the kansas city chiefs and you said that's what you wanted against this team because every time you face this team in the playoffs they beat you in their place you say

i want a man in my building. He'd have to go, Joe. Yeah. That's what the NFL is. This is a resource business. The NFL is a bottom line business. And there's only two things on the menu that you can order. Wins and losses. That's it. That's it.

That's it. I think maybe from his perspective, maybe his lenses on what he's talking about. Listen, the regular season success can be the only thing he's talking about. Because in the regular season, they are phenomenal. They are great until they meet the juggernaut of the Chiefs. Right. That's been their Achilles heel.

That has been their Achilles heel. And the window of opportunity for the Bills I wouldn't say it's closing but if you're going to make it the pieces you have right now give you the best chance to do so well they've lost a lot of pieces look at the defense that they had they had a script down that deep script down that deep yeah they look They lost Gabe Davis. Look, we can dress it up. Diggs isn't happy. He's not happy with his role.

I don't necessarily think it's money, but his role. Maybe he wants... Look, the worst mistake that you can make, Ochoa, is measure your success by somebody else's. Man, look at all the targets Justin Jeffers will get. Man, look at all them targets Justin Jeffers will get. Man, look at all them targets Tyreek

get. Look at all these targets. Man, I should be, I should be, I should be. Boy. Man, Ocho, you make yourself sick. I know. I feel you, but listen, for a player of his caliber, regardless of what people may say, regardless of what

the chat may think about Stephon Diggs, he is your best offensive weapon. He is. No, he's the best. Allen's the best. Well, he's the quarterback. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he's the best weapon.

I mean, it's okay. Come on now, you know what I mean. Oh, you're talking about other than the quarterback. The quarterback already has a ball in his hands all the time. So the offensive weapon would have to be the weapons he has to use at his disposal. I think what you're calling him. I think Justin Jefferson is a better weapon than Kirk Cousins. Cousins is just more important.

Okay. All right. All right. But I get what you're saying. You're saying, look, if we get this guy the ball, he opens up the offense, and he makes everybody else's life a lot easier. Wide open. Wide open.

And what they do is, is the fact that he does make it easy for everybody else, is they allow teams to take him away instead of not forcing the issue, but putting him in position to always continue to make plays instead of allowing him to fall by the wayside because, you know what? Well, Stephon Diggs, look what they're doing on film. They're covering you. They're making sure they take you away. There's nothing we can do about it. We're going to try

to work everyone else into the offense and hope we can have success that way. Instead of saying, well, fuck what y'all doing. We finna put our best player in goddamn position and make sure it gives us our best chance to win and move the ball down the goddamn field and the chains. But no, they decided not to do that on the back end of the season. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche

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You've had a top five offense for the better part of two to three years. Defense is, is it was, has been good enough for you to win and it hasn't gotten done. So ultimately your, your ultimate success. Now you can talk about, Oh, we,

we got some great men and we got great fathers and we got great people in the community. I don't want to hear that. Cause that ain't what we paying you for. And I, and I, and I'm, I'm happy. I'm glad that, you know, you have great men and great men in the communities and we got great fathers, but I'm not paying you seven, $8 million a year and I'm not paying Josh Allen $45 million a year to be no great man in the community. I'm paying him to bring me a damn Super Bowl.

And I'm paying you a king's ransom to do the same. So save that. Now, when you want to go speak to a boy's home and tell him that they're winning in life and things like that, that's fine. I'll accept that then. But don't you sit your ass down in front of no reporter and talk about, oh, we winning here. No, you have not. He's on the right track.

I can say that. He's on the right track. Because every year. Do you know what's going to happen? Every year, they're one game away. Or two games away. Oh, Joe. Every year. Even if you're on the Joe. Or two games away. Oh, Joe. Every year.

Even if you're on the right track, you can still get run over if you're heading in the wrong direction. Ooh, that's a good one. God damn, I should have had my notepad. God damn it, that's a good one. I mean, yeah. Hey, hey. Boy, that was a fire right there, boy. That was a bar.

I mean, bro. I mean, people kill me with that. Well, oh, we win it. Bro, you know what what sports are about you know this is a bottom line business and all of a sudden you want to get philosophical and there's some people like well shut he is winning he's creating great men hell go join the military the military creating great men. Discipline, structure, fight to the finish. Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. Oh. He ain't got me running hard with that bull jive.

Robert Sala, head coach of the Jets, welcomed the quietness this year after 2023 North. Damn quarterback. There's not so much buzz around the Jets this offseason which Sala is happy about. I think Joe Douglas has done a really good job adding some really cool pieces quarterback there's there is not so much buzz around the jets this offseason which solid is happy about i think joe douglas has done a really good job adding some really cool pieces to our

football team but yeah it's quiet last year was a little loud we welcome a little bit of quietness it's your damn quarterback yeah let's make it all the noise oh joe who was that listen he commands that type of attention. He commands because of who he is. He likes to be in front of the camera too. Thank you. He likes to be in front of the camera. I think the purpose of what Salah is doing here is purposely putting it out there

and we would like you to come back or when you do come back, let's tone it down a little bit. That's all. That's just a little message. So you put the message out there publicly to ask Aaron

to take a bad seat from the camera, from the talking, from the media. He will. He will. Especially after Saul came out like this.

I'm not saying it's a subliminal, but it's just a message getting out there. And there's only one person who makes noise over there in New York. There's only one person. Only one.

Yeah. Oh, Joe. Tell me the guy that had an Achilles injury that was supposed to miss the whole season and had something to say every single week. Tell me the guy that went on the Pat McAfee show and all he did was few conspiracy theories he never really talked about the game he was talking about all the other bull jive and then when people call him to the carpet it's people hating on him no if you keep your mouth shut you're not a medical doctor bro and what happened at COVID in 2020 we're moving on but you keep bringing up because remember he always thinks he's the

smartest guy in the room and he all oh i'm throwing i'm coming back if there's any chance i can prove medical professionals wrong that's what i'm gonna do and do you and i but he ain't coming back that was his way of still trying to garner some of the attention because out of sight, out of mind. Yeah. That's what the NFL is about. You can't help us win. You can't do anything. Ain't nobody talking about Aaron Rodgers.

No. We was talking about the foolishness that he was discussing, but we weren't talking about him on the field. Right. So the quietness, you need to talk a blabbermouth over there, your quarterback, because he's the one that's causing all the noise. He's the one that's beating on all the drums. He's the one that's banging on all the doors and making the racket.

Him. Ain't nobody else doing no talking but him. Yeah, that's why I said this was a message. This was a message strictly for Aaron Rodgers. The quietness. I'm enjoying the quietness. Strictly him. Let's tone it down a little bit.

Let's come into the season. Right path. Silence. Because you're going to hear that. Listen, the media itself is going to make enough noise simply because you're coming back. You're healthy.

You're in New York too. You're in New York. And you don't need to make no noise. The noise is going to make itself. it's gonna the noise gonna make itself we'll see once OTAs or mini camps or once they get in the training camp if it's still quiet it's quiet now ain't nobody doing no talking

but Jerry ain't nobody doing no talking Ocho ain't nobody doing no football talking but we'll see yeah yeah on football talking. But we'll see. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I hear the baby crying.

Shit. Hold on, hold on. Go ahead. The NFL is concerned about a dip in scoring. Competition Committee Chairman Richard McKay says, statistically, what gives us a little bit of score, what concerns a little bit is scoring. Scoring this year was at 43.5, still above the historical marker,

but which has kind of been that 43 mark. But we were at 49 points a game in 2020, and we went from 45 in 2021, and we went from 43.76 in 2022, and now we're down to 43.54. We know Ocho like numbers. That's matter most to the NFL. Money equals TV ratings.

TV ratings equal money. Dang, Don King. I don't know if you heard this, but Richard McKay, chairman of the competition committee, said he's concerned about the scoring dip. He said in 2020, the scoring was 49 points per game between the teams. And then it went to 45 in 2021 and it went to 43.76 in 22. And it was a dip again, 43.54. And what I said, scoring equals ratings equals money.

Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. But why is there a different scoring? It shouldn't be a different scoring because you're taking all the advantages

away from the defense. It shouldn't be a different scoring at all. You can't do anything. You can't hit nobody. DBs, they can't jam anymore. Everything is offensive. Everything is defensive pass interference. You can't hit the quarterback. You can't jam anymore. Everything is offensive. Everything is defensive passing interference.

You can't hit the quarterback. You can't touch the quarterback. I mean, there shouldn't be a dip in scoring. So now they're looking for other ways to increase scoring and handicap the game even more. Come on now. They said, I think they're looking for a way to the kickoff. I don't know what they're going to do with the kickoff.

I don't know. It's like, well, maybe you could go. What are they going to try to do with the kickoff? Because I don't understand how you make a dangerous play less dangerous. Right. You can't. You can't. All these safety rules, all this stuff they're putting in place

that they're trying to do. Huh? What? What? No, that they're trying to do. Huh? What? No, that they're trying to do. There's no way. It's impossible. The field, the dimensions of the field haven't changed in years. But the players have gotten bigger, stronger, and faster.

Yeah. There's nothing you can do. I don't care how much safety you talk about and how many seminars you put on, how well the stuff that they make now are better for the players. If you drive a car 100 miles an hour into a wall, no matter what you do to it, it's still going to be totaled no matter what. Yeah. But by admitting the league wants more scoring, the league invites speculation that certain calls are made or not made in order to heighten the scoreboard. You see? So now they're not going to be calling certain stuff

just to make sure. Well, that's the speculation for the longest time. Right. That when a defensive player did something, you called it. Offensive player did something. There have been a few. There have been a few. Look, I understand.

Oh, Joe, you know, you're not going to get every. I mean, you're human. You're going to err. To err is human. But there have been calls like, bro, how you miss that? The dude right there. Come on now. You can't miss that. Matter of fact, speaking of, there was one last year that was a clear PI.

The commanders were playing somebody. It was in the end zone, matter of fact. And the PI, I mean, it was a PI clear as day, but they gave God damn, I can't remember that play. I'm chad knows what i'm talking about though yeah but i'm like what the hell if i can see it i know they saw it and they

on the field with the flag in their pocket and didn't throw nothing because the thing is is that when you look at it says well we made some of these rules rules for the safety of the game. That's what they tell you, the safety of the game. I ain't heard nothing about that. Now, if scoring is coming down, but also the game and safety is going up, shouldn't

that be what you want? That's not what they want. Because they know with the scoring, it increases the revenue and we know what the scoring, it increases the revenue, and we know what the bottom line is at the end of the day. Yep. We know what the bottom line is. Absolutely.

So, so they want to get, they want to increase more scoring. Like, we don't have enough scoring. We want it more. You want, so 49, so that's that sweet spot kind of where you want to be. You want to kind of be like 50 points a game between the two teams.

So you really like the 28-21 ball game. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? You like the 27-24 ball game. Hold on, hold on. Come here. Hold on. Here, take her. Take her to the room.

Yes. Okay, there we go. I'm back. I'm back. The Don King is gone. Gerard Mayo says quarterback is a priority for us, but open to everything at number three. Gerard Mayo, the new coach of the New England Patriots,

says it's a priority right now. But with that being said, you really have to be in love with the guy to take him at number three. So really, all options are still open for us. Jacoby Brissett signed with the Patriots this month, and Mayo said he could absolutely be our starter. No.

No. Patriots fans, I love Jacoby Brissett. There's nothing against him. I love Jacoby Brissett There's nothing against him I love Jacoby Brissett I love what he's done During his tenure Throughout the league Nothing is open

With number three You know you have to Take a quarterback The Patriots fans Have suffered enough Not having somebody At the helm To replace

The big shoes Of Tom Brady So you have to make That number three pick right You have to make it smart. And it has to be someone that is going to be a generational franchise changing player. And you can't do that at any other position other than the quarterback position. And you can't mess up this time.

Mac Jones, things didn't work out well. I have nothing against Mac. It just didn't work out well. You had big shoes to fill. I like out well. You had big shoes to fill. I like Zappy. You had big shoes to fill. They need to make this move. Get it right the first time.

Get it right the first time so you don't have to do it again. So let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, something unforeseen happened. Chicago Bears select Jaden Daniels. And with the two pick the uh uh the commanders select select marvin harrison jr yes and with the third pick caleb williams is there

so they get caleb williams but they say you know what whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa wait a minute how you just skipped over the bears i just i said just um follow up. Stay with me now. Stay with me. I said, let's say something unforeseen happens. The Bears select at number one, Jayden Daniels. With the number two pick, Drake May or Marvin Harrison Jr. goes to the commanders.

And so Kayla Williams fall into the Patriots lap. But what they do with Kayla Williams, they say, you know what? We're going to let our special teams coach and our defensive coordinator call plays for it. How do you think that's going to turn out for it? I like where you're going.

I like where you're going. But then I get into the mindset of the game of football is all X's and O's, right? So regardless of who's calling those plays, stay with me real quick. Okay. If Matt Patricia is calling the plays as the offensive coordinator and it's something that he's never done, my mindset, well, shit, whatever's drawn on paper, I got to go out there and execute it regardless of who's calling it. Now I need those individuals that's on offense to make me look good because who gets coaches fired?

The players. Coaches. Well, that too. But I need y'all to go execute what we worked on all motherfucking week and we get out there Sunday and you have somebody else

in front of you outside of our own players. I need you to do it right regardless of who's calling it. Can you be mad if the guy you have, like you have a chef, but then all of a sudden your chef doesn't show up for work

and you say, I want my mechanic to prepare my food, and it tastes like crap. Can you be mad? Or you say, you got to do a job, bro. You got a job to do. Yeah, right. You're right. I like when you're going with it. But when I think about the analogy and the sense of football,

and the sense of football, Mack Jones is a quarterback. Right. Matt Patricia is calling the plays. Yes. There's an offense. There are receivers. There's a running back.

Right. Regardless of the plays that's called, we can't blame Matt Patricia on y'all not being able to execute the guy. He don't know what he's doing, Ocho. He's a D coordinator. You got a special teams coach. Neither guy has ever, first of all, a Joe Judge has never called a play except the special teams.

Hey, return right, return middle, return left, punt block, field goal block. That's different intricacies than calling an offense and a defensive snap. So now all of a sudden I'm asking people, the quarterback, you told me the quarterback is the most important position. Now you got people

that's never been in that position before, doing things they've never done before. And you ask, well, then why did he look so bad? Why did he look so good his rookie year? And then subsequently year after year, that looks worse.

It's not an accident, Ocho. It's not an accident, Ocho. It's not an accident. So let me ask you this. You think Joe Judge will ever get another job calling a play? Because if you good, you should be able to get a job doing something, right? You think he'll ever get a job again on the offensive side of football where he could potentially call plays? What about Matt Patricia?

I got another question for you. Eric B. Enemy was good calling plays, wasn't he? Here's the thing. I got another question for you. Eric B. Enemy was good calling plays, wasn't he? Here's the thing. They said Andy Reid called the plays. So how did he look when he went away from Andy? Who has to execute? See, there we go.

Perfect. Perfect. He went away from Andy. So the players have to execute the plays. The execute the plays in kansas city yes but here's the thing the guy that's calling the plays are you saying that joe judge and and matt patricia are the equivalent of andy reed no absolutely not but again the players have to execute the plays no matter who's calling the motherfucking play so let me ask you this so now i going to take who you think is a good. OK, I'm going to let Andy Reid, the office guru.

Now you got to call plays for the defense. So if the defense falls off, you're going to say, oh, they didn't make the plays. Or you're going to say, well, hold on. We put a guy in position that he's never been in before. And we expect what? How do you put somebody in a position when they've never been in a position and expect success? Forget, forget coaching. How can you put somebody that's in HR and says, we want you to run the company or put somebody in a position they've never been and expect the same level of success

that someone that's been in that position for a number of years and they've done it. That's all I'm saying. Yes. Yeah. I carry out the assignment. But you have to be able to put people in position. Right. To carry out said assignment. Yeah. See, my issue, what it is, is mentally my mindset is a little different so it's hard for me to even have the right thing to say on the topic because I'm thinking as a former player I wouldn't care my grandma was calling the plays and excuse me excuse me with this if there's something that she says or calls a play to be made I'm going to go execute that motherfucker I don't give a so it's kind of different but I see where you I see where you're coming from I'm not sure go execute that motherfucker. I don't give a... So it's kind of different, but I see where you're coming from.

I'm not sure if even the chat understands where I'm coming from with that. It doesn't matter who's calling the plays. You still have a job to do that you're being paid to do regardless of whether the person that's calling them knows what the fuck he's doing or not.

No. It doesn't work like that, Ocho. That sounds good in theory because guess what? As a coach, you got to put me in position. You study plays. Now, if we know they're going to be in cover two,

we're going to call a cover two beater, right? Yes, sir. So why would you call something that's not conducive for cover two if you know they're going to be in cover two? So you failed me as a coach. And you know what the good thing happens? Is when something like that happens, you need a quarterback with a wherewithal that knows,

well, he called this, do I have the ability and the power to change it to something that I like? It's great to have the ability. The thing that Patrick Mahomes and the really quarterbacks can do, they can get off script. I call a play, it doesn't work, I can get off script.

Being able to improvise, yeah. But you ain't going to do that 65 times a game, won't you? It's not going to happen. No, you need, no, no. You need your coach's help. You need your coach's help. And sometime the coach needs yours. Yes. It goes hand in hand. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core.

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