Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Travis plays both sides of field, Tyreek Hill antics, Shedeur Sanders criticism

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NFL stories of the week, including Travis Hunter playing 100% of the snaps, Shedeur Sanders criticism on patting the Football, Dolphins growing tired of Tyreek Hill drama, & much more!04:19 - Travis Hunter says he can play every NFL snap24:00 - Dolphins tired of Tyreek Hill drama33:16 - Shedeur Sanders patting Footballs50:37 - Julio Jones retires53:13 - Ravens owner Bisciotti: "We have a small window with Lamar(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All of them. If they give me the chance and the opportunity to do it. So we were talking about the challenges that come with it. You've got to be in offensive meetings. You've got to be in defensive meetings. You've got to be in wide receiver meetings. You've got to be in defensive back meetings. How is there enough time to do all that? How did you prepare for that when you played college?

Well, we kind of got 24 hours in a day. We probably sleep for about eight of those, so we probably got 16 more. And all dedicated to those. Yeah, all of them dedicated to football. Ocho.

The issue is not playing both of them. Can you play both of them well? Right, right. Because I can put anybody out there to play both sides, but how well can they play it? There's a difference.

There's levels. There have been great guys in college that couldn't play it that next time. And you're asking, because see, for me, it don't do him no good. For him to go out there, like, oh, he playing both sides of the ball. How well will he play both sides of the ball? That's the question. Do I believe he's going to play every snap? No.

No. He's not. You know what I like? I like the belief. What is it? I like the fact that he believes he can actually do it. Most of the time, that's where it all starts. In anything you do in life, believe in that you can do it. Manifesting,

not only doing that, not only believing in it and manifesting it, then working your way into actually being able to do it. Has it been done before? Absolutely not. Which is why you and I... They used to play both ways back in the 50s, the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s. I think Chuck McCarrick, rest his soul, was the last two-way player. He was a middle linebacker and a center for the Eagles. He was the last full-time two-way player.

Concrete Charlie. And I think one of the reasons why me and you and everyone else is debunking his ability to play full-time on both sides of the ball is because of how much extreme... What's the word I'm looking for here? It's a physical grind. Because guess what, Ocho?

He plays both sides of the ball. He gets hurt and miss a game. Guess what I've got? I'm down two players. Oh, yeah. That too. But listen... I'm down two players, Ocho.

Listen, I like the confidence, though. Oh, yeah, for sure. That's part of it. That's half the battle is believing. Everything you do, believing you can do it.

What I do, what I would love for him to do is you got to focus on one thing. You got to be great at one thing. You're not going to be

able to be great at both. You can't be great at DB and great at receiver. You have to become a craftsman at one or the other. Now, I don't know which one it's going to be. Me, personally, I like him playing both. I enjoy it. I enjoy watching him play both sides of the ball. Will he be able to do it at that level, at an elite level, at the next level?

I don't know. That's very, very difficult. When you look at the level of talent you're going to have to see week in and week out. That's the hard part. Because the level, the level, the level, the level field evens. Yeah. Everything evens at the next level. Because there are a lot of guys that are just as talented as he is.

Wait, say it again? I said there are guys that are just as talented as he is. Yeah, just as talented. In the NFL. There may be some that are even more talented. Everyone is just as fast. Everyone is just as quick. Ladder movement, short-air quickness, no matter what you do.

Everything. Everybody is exactly the same. There's one thing that separates everybody. Your technique and up here. It becomes a mental game at that point. I like it, though. It's exciting. I'm curious.

I'm curious to see where he goes and not only where he goes, but what they allow him to do. How are they going to use him? People talking about they don't hit in the NFL. Yeah, they do. Man, please. I know the rules have changed a little bit. You know, they can't hit

like they did during our day, but they still hit now. They still hit. I tell you, you know what? I wish all the fans that say they don't hit, they would sign a waiver and go out there and say, No, no, no, no, no, no.

Fred, okay. Who's a safety? Okay, G.J. Watt. It's not. Oh, no, no, no, no. Oh, Joe. They said they don't hit. So I want them to go out there.

It's one thing to watch the game from the stands. It's one thing to watch the game from the stands. It's one thing to watch the game of football from TV. But to put on some pads as a fan and not understand how fast the game is and how fast them mofos is moving? Man, don't do that. You played 11 years. I played 14 years years i understand the collision and people see everybody thinks something easy if you've never done it or maybe they maybe they

have maybe they have done it um but we talk about peewee high school college that's in my pro High school, college, semi-pro, but it's different. It's different. There's levels to this. As you go up, you play flag, you play popcorn, I mean, peewee, popcorn, or whatever you want to call it. Then you go to JV, you go to high school, you go to college. Now, there is no higher level than the NFL. So all the people say, look, the NFL,

hey, we'll allow you to play. We want you to sign this waiver. Whatever position you want to play, if you want to play running back, you want to play wide receiver, you want to play quarterback. Huh? If they want to play. Man, please.

And so, no, Joe, not again. Hey, we're going to have practice. Okay, who you want to go up against? So you want Fran Warner? You want Zaire Franklin? You want Roe Connolly? Okay. You want Pat Sertan?

You want Jalen Ramsey? You want Stingley? I'm talking about who do you want? Who do you want to guard? Who do you want to go up against? Now, just one time, and we'll say, okay, now, tell me what you think. You think they're still hitting NFL?

And you know what? People's perspective on the game won't change until they're actually in that situation. And since the situation, hypothetically speaking, they will never be in, therefore, that's why they comment the way they do from the outside looking in. That's why they talk down on players the way they do because they've never been in that's why they're tore down on players the way they do

because they've never been in that position. They don't understand how difficult it is. So it's easy to talk, you know, from the couch or if you watch the game and you study the game and have never actually played it to understand how difficult it is. I don't think people really understand how great Saquon Barkley is.

Forget the number he's brought up. I don't think they get it. They don't understand how great Saquon Barkley is. Forget the number he's brought up. I don't understand. I don't think they get it. They don't understand how good Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, all these dudes that they talk about, you know, on Twitter and X and they don't understand how good these dudes are. Oh, I'm not

saying that you can't catch, but I'm saying catch the ball when a dude gonna drill you. We have to focus. We have to lock in on the ball when a dude going to drill you. We have to focus. We have to focus. We have to lock in on the ball. Bring it in. Man, come on, man.

It's so many. Man. Hey, Ocho, they don't hit no more. I tell you what, we're going to hand the ball off, and we're going to block it just like we would if that was Derrick Henry or Saquon running the football. We're not going to turn him loose on you. We're going to block it all the same. And mind you, remember this.

And when they block it all the same, there's always one free man that the running back has to do. Absolutely. Because the quarterback is not blocking anybody. Always one man that the running back has to beat. And that's your man. You got to beat him on your own. It's different, man.

And you got on pads I mean you you're not used to juking nobody hey as a matter of fact you see the guy from the Hawks they had the two guys

that he went to lay the ball up and he ended up tearing his knee for real yes you talking about like a half time yes you know how to have a competition you gotta make so many points

one guy on one end one guy on the other end they gave him 5 4 3 he got the ball went to lay it up reel him up out of the wheelchair that's funny what's the thing

I don't think people realize when people like well damn man you bigger than I thought you don't look that big on TV hell I'm small compared to a tight end and then you multiply that a guy running full speed

if you ain't never been used to taking no hit or you haven't taken a hit in a while a guy running full speed. If you ain't never been used to taking no hit or you haven't taken a hit in a while, you're not taking no hits. No, not at all. Because as I got older, I didn't want to, look, I was a guy, I would take a lick.

I would, hey, okay, I'm cool. Right back up. If I got older, I started getting year 12, 13, 14, I put that blink on, though, Joe. I ain't taking that lick no more. I'm good. Listen, as you get older, you get by the year 10 and on,

you make business decisions. Absolutely. Hey. Put that blink on. Hey, turn it up. No, I'm good. Hey, it's second to one. If we can't get second to one, third to one, I don't know.

Something's wrong. I laid the ball. Okay. Pour him down. Something like that. Okay. Okay. I can't hear you.

Hey, I got two. Hey, back in the day, Ocho, two guys coming. Okay. You over here. You over here. Okay. You see them? Yeah. I think you the lesser of the danger.

Let me get you. Let me get you. I will get you. Back inside, that's a problem. You, not a problem. But I'm really anxious to see Travis give it a go, playing both sides. It's important where he goes.

It's very, very, very, very, very important where he goes. And I hope the team that drafts him understand his beliefs, understands his wants, and they use him in that manner. Because he's an exciting player. He's a generational talent. And they need to be able to use him in a manner

so he's able to display that at the next level the same way he did at Colorado. I'm not so sure it's not more of a mental than a physical focus because you have to be on your A game all the time, especially on defense because, you know, sometimes the wide receiver, you're not getting the ball, so I ain't really got to focus. They ain't throwing me the ball.

I'm lasting the progression. But as a defensive player, as a corner, you lie. You have one slip, Ocho. You hesitate a little bit. You got to smell the deal. Strike up the band. That's it. And now you're coming.

Hey, what everybody do after they get a touchdown, what they do, Ocho? They look up at the jump, Ocho. Yeah, that's you. That's you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You did that. We just saw that. Yeah, the jump, Ocho. Yeah, that's you. That's you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You did that. We just saw that. Yeah, but you look

at him there. Yeah, that's you. But I'm anxious to see what he can do. He believes he can do it. Do I believe he can play every snap, offense and defense?

I don't. Do I think he can play one side and then the half packages? I believe it's easier if he's a DB for them to install packages at the wire position.

Right. I believe that's easier. But's a DB for them to install packages at the wire position. Right. I believe that's easier. But let him try. Yeah. I like it. I think you're drafting him knowing that's what he wants to do. One of the reasons he went with time, time told him he would let him do it. I'll let you do whatever you can do.

He showed time he could do it. He did it. He won the Heisman Trophy. One of the great seasons of the wide receiver. He had, what, 13, 14 on the yards. A DB. He had a bunch of pass breakups. Had a forced fumble.

Key interceptions. Good tackler. Oh, he going to come up and tackle tonight. Let's see what he can do. No problem whatsoever. Given. I think you got to get. I think you have to give him that deep down because now he's going to feel some type of way.

Oh, yeah. You already knew you already do what I wanted before I got here. I expressed my interest in it. I said it over and over and over countless times. And you bring me in. You draft me this high wherever it may be and then when i get here you tell me well we don't think you you know how they play that game monk well we don't think you well we we think you're better suited at come on now

don't don't don't play that game i'm gonna tell me he would love that opportunity so where do you think he goes, Ocho? Yeah. Oh, man. Where do you think Trav goes? I don't know. Cleveland? The Giants?

I don't know. Because, listen, when you talk about Cleveland, they need a quarterback. When you talk about the Giants, they need a quarterback. So, I don't think any of those two teams are not passing up on Shador or Cam Ward. Now, listen, somebody might come up from low and surprise us on draft day and come and grab a quarterback early, and then it frees up Shador somewhere else. We keep forgetting.

We're not even talking about Abdul Carter. Hell, who's to say he don't go first? You know? You just don't know, especially with those four. Ain't no telling how it's going to go, but I know he's you just don't know especially with those four ain't no telling how it's gonna go but i know he's gonna go in the top five i just don't know where and who knows what's gonna happen on draft day with some other team and some conversation that they might that they might feel a player is up there that might be a generational talent and a franchise changing

player to them and they go up and snatch him and chain the draft all the way up. According to Adam Schefter, the Browns are more likely to pick Travis Hunter at two in the draft. He impressed Cleveland at his pro day. The Browns are exploring a potential taking Travis Hunter at two, then trading back into the first round to land Jalen Milrow. It's possible that Milrow could be picked around with their second pick,

but it would be gambling end of the season with Kenny Pickett, FQB1. Milrow was invited, and he has accepted an invitation to the NFL draft. You think, is he, Milrow has a chance to go in the first round you think that's what they're

saying oh i don't like that man i don't like when they i don't like when they bring players in and have them sitting there like that all day and ain't no telling where you're gonna go it's not it's not for certain you're going in the first round they they put the camera on you where everybody's getting picked i don't't like that. That's embarrassing to me, man. I would be cautious. Let me tell you why I'm cautious. I'm cautious because I watch Anthony Richardson and I watch a supremely guy

that size run 4'5", 4'4", whatever he ran, jump out of the gym. He's a 50 plus percent completion guy in college. Hmm. out of the gym. He's a 50 plus percent completion guy in college. College, NFL is harder to get completions than college. If you're 50 in college,

you see he was 46, Richardson was 46. There are times I'm looking at mirror, I'm like, bro, what was that? Now, I'm like, bro, what are, what was that? Now I'm not saying that with some time, but how much time are you going to grab it? Cause you're going to Cleveland, bro.

They're going to need you to be at least by year two. You got to go. You're going to need to be ready to go. Got to go. Because Jimmy and D Haslam, they look, look, look, we bit the bullet on this one.

Deshaun, we gave up three first round picks. One of them was CJ Stroud. One of them was Will Anderson Jr. And the other one was Tank Dale. That's crazy. Oh, that's crazy.

One was offensive rookie of the year. The other was defensive rookie of the year. And they both gone to the Pro Bowl. Now, we bit the bullet on that. We signed off on Deshaun. But you brought that to us. Now, we just gave what you call them, $140 million, $160 million, whatever we gave.

Miles. Miles Garrett. We took Trav. We traded back into the first round, which means that we're possibly going to have to give up next year's first round. Okay. Listen, the Browns have been missing for a long time on their first round picks. They've been missing for a long time. I know oneround picks. They've been missing for a long time.

I know one thing. They can't miss if they go with Travis Hunter. You can't miss. You won't miss. Now, they've missed with quarterbacks, but you're not going to miss there. So, I'm ready for it to see. I'm ready to see how this thing plays. I'm tired of trying to play expert and'm ready for, to see how this thing play. I'm trying to,

I'm trying, I'm tired of trying to play expert and like, Oh, he's going here. He's going there. Cause you don't know. Like you said, somebody might come zooming up the draft board because somebody like,

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The Dolphins are reportedly growing increasingly frustrated with Tyreek Seals' antics on a word about the culture he's creating in the locker room. They have begun to hear teams out potential trade scenarios, but will only act on a deal where they feel they're getting fair value in the return. I tried to tell you this, Ochoa. You didn't want to...

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You trying to tell me what? About Tyreek. They were getting tired of that. Oh, well, listen. I think Tyreek ain't slow. He's pretty smart. If you know they're tired of it and you keep on doing it,

what does that tell you? He doing it on what? He doing it on what? You think he do it on purpose? Absolutely. Absolutely. At this point. Absolutely.

TikTok, you know, some of the stuff he's doing. Well, he's the one that touch him talking about, oh, define that your team trying to trade him. You're the one, the last game of the season, season you talk about your peace out you got to go do what's best for you i don't like when god i don't like when people become a victim in their own story be a victim in someone else's story you can't be a victim in a story that you created you created this you wanted out of kansas city a situation. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He wanted to get paid.

He wanted to get paid. That's all. He wanted to get paid. They were going to pay him. But you got to realize, Tyreek had years left on the contract. Now, when they came to him and they asked him when he restructured, he said, no, I don't believe it. I signed the contract. Then the next year, he wanted to redo his contract.

Even though he had said he had the year before, he signed the contract. I got no problem with that. You go to a guy that was injury prone. Ocho, tell the people at home, how did Tua come into the league? He limped into the league. Remember, he fractured his hip his last year. Yes, sir.

He was injury prone in college. Where they're not nearly as physical as they are in the NFL. So what do you think is going to happen, Ochoa? He's going to deal with some injuries here at the next level. That's what he's had to deal with. So now, and then, look, I get it. You know, you're A.

But you tried to sell us. Ain't nobody believe that T was on the home level not his accuracy not his being able to throw none of that okay you want to hype your quarterback up you're like hey i believe in him we get all of that you played the wide receiver position i started wide receiver with the tight end i get it i want to give my guy confidence let you know i believe in but i'm trying to figure out ocho what, what is it? Like you said, his first year there, he was second in the league in receiving. The second year there, first year there, he was second in the league in receiving. The next year there, he was one of the few guys that's ever had 1,800 receiving yards.

Last year, he was Nick. It got up to a bad start. It started the first game of the season, Ocho, with the traffic stopping, so forth and so on. I don't really know what happened, but hey. Bro, I... Oh, my. I just don't get

these guys. I don't get them. Hey, listen, you never know what's going to happen. All this stuff is going on. You know, Tyreek is not happy. Obviously, he continues to do what he does on social media, probably trying to egg on a trade in in that manner in in a fun entertaining way you know using tiktok then you have the draft coming up punk ain't no telling what's gonna happen draft day ain't no telling so you know some something

might happen there you know it changed things up i'm just like that's what's so exciting to me because you just don't know yeah you just don't know there's nobody for certain you know what he was so great in college he's absolutely going number one you just don't know yeah uh who who are you talking about going number one on Man Oh you're talking about I'm saying Yeah you just You just You don't know

It could be Listen Tennessee Tennessee need a quarterback Don't they Yes I mean I don't know man Ain't no telling

I think the thing is Ocho This is what we see Yeah No matter how great you are They'll move your ass. And they'll say, because they're not going to let you become bigger than the team. Not only bigger than the team, they won't let you become bigger than the game itself. No.

Mm-mm. No. Because Kansas City, they traded Tyreek and went to three straight Super Bowls. Well, but this. They want to. You got to understand why they went to three. They got that special dude over there, too. So they got that special... So what does that tell you?

Why receivers ain't doing nothing without what? No matter who he is. Tyreek had 1,800 yards. Waddle had another 1,200. Did they win a playoff game? I was just talking about the Super Bowl factor, but I got you. No, you better have that guy to pull that trigger. Oh, yeah.

You better have him. It's L.O. Because think about it. All those years, New England, how many Pro Bowl wide receivers they had? If you take Randy Moss out of the equation, Wes Welker, I think Troy Brown went to one. But I don't think Troy, I could be wrong. I don't know if Troy went with Brady.

I think he went maybe a year before Brady. Maybe I'm wrong. But if you go back and study it, they have a whole lot of Pro Bowl wide receivers. That's why people really fell in love with Tom. They're like, they've been going to all these Super Bowls, and they got all these wide receivers here, wide receivers here, wide receivers over there, Pro Bowl, All-Pro, and he doing that. You better have that guy.

It makes a difference. There's a reason they make the big bucks. It makes a big difference. He's the foundation. If you get him Ocho, I can build. If I got a solid foundation, I can put whatever I want on it.

If I got a great foundation, I can put a 20,000 square foot home or I can put a thousand square foot home. My foundation's solid and it can hold it all. Well, foundation is so important in all aspects of life, huh? It is. Well, you just said a word there and don't even know you said it. I get Gronk was there, but y'all do realize that Brady went to how many soup bowls before Gronk arrived? Don't do that. Don't minimize that, man.

Gronk is, hey, Gronk for me is one of the two best tight ends. Some people got Gronk once, some people got Kelsey. I got Kelsey. Hey, I'll debate you. Look at the regular season, look at the postseason,

blah, blah, blah, so forth and so on. But Tom, come on now. All I know is Deion Branch won Super Bowl MVP. He went to Seattle and we never heard from him. David Patton. Y'all know where David Patton went after he left New England? Nobody look at the receivers that he had early in his career. Yes, he hasn't bought them.

When they left New England, did you ever hear from them again? He take it undrafted. Y'all do realize Wes Welker was an undrafted guy. Y'all do realize Edelman was a seventh-round guy. What round did Amendola get drafted in? Because I think he went to the Rams first, Ocho. I think Amendola was with the Rams first, if I'm not mistaken. That man was really turning look they were good players but I don't know

if they're going to be what they became without being there yeah wow so he was an undrafted 3-8 Amendola Amendola was nice too huh Wow. So he was an undrafted free agent. Who? Amendola.

Hey, Amendola was nice too, huh? He was the Cowboys, then the Eagles, then the Rams. He was nice. Get David Gibbons. Do y'all remember what David Gibbons went once he left New England?

What about David Patton? Deion Branch was a Super Bowl MVP. He went to Seattle. Did y'all ever hear from him again? Yeah. Edelman was a quarterback. Oh, yeah. I can't say.

Yeah. I just look. I don't. 7-11. Chris Hogan. Yo, God. Oh, always open. Buffalo Bills.

Yeah, 7-11. Yeah, and with the Dolphins. When he undrafted, he was like a lacrosse or a field hockey player. Hey, he was nice. He was nice. He was nice when he got with Brady. He was nice. He was nice. He was nice when he got with Brady. He was nice. Goddamn Chris Hogan.

That's a good one. Big discourse was created over the weekend when draft expert tweeted, lots of double taps and hitches from Shador today. NFL defenders closed windows quickly. This was a concerning workout. Andre Sisco said, boy, better stop patting that ball. We was a concerning workout. Andre Sisco said, boy, better stop patting that ball. We're breaking all that early.

But Darius Slayton jumped in and said, I promise he can pat the ball just fine if a DB was so good at breaking on the ball and pass, they'd have eight plus picks a year. Same guy that followed the two-man dagger concept and give up digs in the third and long every season, all season long,

talking about, boy, pat the ball, what a joke. I said the exact same thing. I said the exact same thing. Right. All the experts, the DBs,

oh, they pat no back, they're going to drive on that. Man, listen, they're not driving on nothing. Man, stop playing. This is a timing game. It's always been a timing game. It always has been. Quarterbacks have been patting the ball since the beginning of time it just it's a part it's a part

of rhythm it's a part of rhythm throwing as well sometimes you hit sometimes you don't sometimes you pat sometimes you don't sometimes the pat is for the timing of the actual throw waiting for the receiver to get open it's it's it's a part it's a part of the rhythm when you're playing. Hey, when you throw, hey, when you, when John Elway throw that skinny route, right? Yeah. He hit that seven, when you hit that seven step, the ball is gone.

Yes. Now play like that. There's no hitch and there's no pack because the ball is coming out all the time. Right. You got to dig route. You got to curl route. There's a pat on the ball. If he all the time. Right. You got to dig route. You got to curl route. There's a pat on the ball.

If you get to that fifth step, if you're not at your break yet, it just is. The corner route, the deep ball, when you hit that seven step, you got play action. There's a pat on the ball before you release it. You're taking five with a hitch. My point exactly. Whoever that was, for one, we talk about it in shorts,

and we talk about it on air. Turn on the goddamn film. Watch all 32 NFL quarterbacks on dropback passes. You'll see all of them take hitches, and you'll see all of them pat the ball. It's a part of the game. It always has been that's called nitpicking trying to find something wrong to say and then you loud and wrong loud and wrong well i'm well hopefully everybody gonna get their chance to see

um but also at this point in juncture, everybody's trying to find fault. Oh, something. Always. You know, he's getting his head around too quick before the break. DB's going to take key on that. He's not dropping his hips. Right. He's doing this.

He's tilting the route. He's leaning into the route. As DB, you know, I get it. I get it. I get it. Just for me, you hold like, Ocho, the way I look at it, game film is the most important. Very. Now, if I'm looking at a guy's game tape, I'm watching.

Now, if he looks fast, when he goes to the compound, I hope he runs fast. I hope he's quick. I hope he jumps high. So now that cooperates what I've seen on tape right now if there's something that i see on tape that i don't see when he tests i got to go back and evaluate okay what did i miss something on show right what am i missing then because at the end of the day i still believe tape is the most important and i give you a prime example. Ozzy, he took Terrell Suggs. Terrell Suggs ran 4.8 with track spikes and a jock.

I say, Ozzy, how you take this man with a top 10 pick and he ran 4.8? And he look me damn by. Turn on the film. Well, somebody got them 24 sacks. Somebody got the 24 sack. He said, son, you watching Bend the Edge? You don't understand. Quick.

I said, okay. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. And look, why am I arguing with Ozzy? Look at the Hall of Famers he's got got Ray Lewis, Jonathan Ogden, Ed Reed. Sugg's going to be a Hall of Famer. Lamar Jackson's going to be a Hall of Famer. Marsha Yonder's going to be a Hall of Famer.

So what do we do here? Yeah. At the end of the day, watch the tape. What do you see on tape? Everybody has things that they can correct. Absolutely. Y'all make it seem like Peyton and Tom and everybody. There's something you can get better at. But to say a guy is flawless is just not true.

No, not at all. Not at all. You can, listen, you can break down people's tape right now. You can break down people's tape right now that are in the league that are some of the best at their positions right now. And you can find flaws in their game. Absolutely. All you have to do is nitpick. You can nitpick.

You can nitpick on any and everybody. There is always something to continue to work on no matter how long you've been playing this game because you'll never be perfect. No matter how much you strive for, you strive for for perfection you will always fall short because you're human and there will always be human error in everything that you do so i i listen i understand what the guy was saying with the scout whoever whoever tweeted that out i don't think they really understand that the game of football in general before making that general statement when all all quarterbacks do this, they all do, based on the play, based on the length of the route. I mean, it made no sense.

It was so funny to see Micah going back and forth and Darius Slayton talking trash. That was funny. And most of the time, the quarterback, they have the ball. How many times do you see the quarterback bring the ball up with one hand and throw it? They bring the ball up here like this here on show exactly

and then that rhythm throw it's a pat and let it go yes a pat and let it go just to keep the time

and continuity of the play going like you know smoke route a slant quick out you can't hit you like that this damn show

going the other way it's coming out it's coming out right away yeah it better be early it better be early and outside too. Yes. Yes. You're absolutely right because when you're throwing one, two, three,

that ball's got to go. Now they're driving on that now. Yeah. And the funny thing about it, think about it. We talk about the good DBs in the NFL. Them first three steps, they're not even looking at the receiver. They're looking at the quarterback. Exactly.

They're looking at the quarterback. So once that arm is gone, that's why ball placement is so important because the good DBs are not even looking at the receiver until after that fourth or fifth step. That's how we get them on the sluggo because you do this. Oh, yeah. Your ass in the backfield playing around. And now they're throwing them from your on the sluggo, because you do this. Oh, yeah. Your ass in the backfield, playing around. And now they throw it over your head, sluggo rap.

Or they get the stutter go, because you wish it, and he drop his hip. And the quarterback does that. Yeah. Listen, hey, as a DB, when they double move you, you better have hell of a hips in transition. Oh, yeah. Nah, just tackle it. Beautiful hips when you're having a transition.

Just tackle it. Oh, yeah. Nah, just tackle it. Beautiful hip transition. We having a transition. Just tackle it. Just tackle it. Because what he's going to do is that he knows once you know he beat, you start to come up, he's going to get outside. He's going to get outside your brain. Oh, yeah. So you might as well just, hey, interfere with it. I'm not giving up anything cheap or deep.

Right. But I thought he threw, look, I don't really take anything from anybody throwing the ball in shorts and thing. No. Because that's not how you play the game of football. Right. When you watch the guy in shorts,

no, is he Lamar Jackson as far as athleticism? No. No. Does he have a Patrick Mahomes arm? No. But he has an arm that's plenty good enough. Yeah. Are you telling me that Tom Brady,

are you telling me Peyton Manning, are you telling me Phillip Rilliver, are you telling me Drew Brees are more athletic than Shadur? No, they're not. No. And they got it done. I'm not saying he's going to be any of those guys, but we're talking about just athleticism.

I mean, there ain't no guy. I mean, is he accurate? Could I be in love with him? He's not just accurate. He's insanely accurate. Exactly. Insanely. Can throw every ball.

And every ball he throws is catchable. Yes. They got some receivers. I mean, they got some quarterbacks out there, you know, throughout the years now. They've thrown a very difficult ball to catch. I agree. A la number four, who your brother played for.

You know, tearing people's hands up, splitting the web of their fingers. You know, I mean, he was a gunslinger. That's what he was known for. But Shador is extremely accurate. He does a great job of throwing and has great anticipatory skills. Skills, yes. Great job of throwing guys open. That's the difference between college and the NFL.

Right. Even when you think the guy isn't open, you throw him open. Guys ain't going to be running or having no 5 and 10 and 3-yard separation in the NFL. Unless there's a blown coverage, a guy falls down or something but most of the time you're gonna have to fit a ball into a tight window and also something he doesn't get credit for we always bring up him not being a dual threat not being able to run but his pocket presence his pocket he has great pocket presence in his ability in short area quickness to be able to extend plays, not get away from people like Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, but extend plays to make throws downfield.

He's very good at that, especially if you watch. Obviously, we watched Colorado all last year, and we understand that. Despite all the sacks he took, because one of the issues, obviously, with him was their O-line. His line wasn't very good. Yeah. And there ain't no way around it, Oline. Offensive line wasn't very good. Yeah. Ain't nowhere around that, Ocho. His offensive line wasn't very good. It's not like

we're breaking news. You watch the game, and there's a time that he's going to have to know he's going to have to throw the ball away. Yeah. You're going to have to throw the ball away. You live to see another day. You don't want to take that unnecessary punishment, and you don't want to take your team out of field goal range, or you don't want to make it third and long or second and long. Throw the ball away. Live to see another day. You don't want to take that unnecessary punishment and you don't want to take your team out of field goal range or you don't want to make

it third and long or second and long. Throw the ball away. Live to see another day. That comes with maturity. The guy's only 21, 22 years of age. It takes time and he'll get better. The Peyton Manning that you saw, the great quarterbacks that you saw in their rookie season,

there weren't that midway through and at the tail end of their career. They were better. You get better. You learn more. Once you come to the NFL, you start studying tape. You start watching. You pick up things.

You self-evaluate yourself. That's what the really great ones do. They self-evaluate themselves. Like, damn, that's why that mofo covered me. Damn, I tipped off this route. But think about the names that you just said, the Tom Brady's, the Peyton Manning's, when they first started, where their years weren't exceptional as opposed to how they ended up. Who can say Shador doesn't go somewhere, right?

You see how he talked in that presser when he said, whoever's serious about me and won the franchise chain and quarterback, that's who needs to sign me. Who says he doesn't come in and have a season like C.J. Stroud did, depending on where he goes? Who says he's going to come in and have a season like Jaden Daniels did with the Commanders, depending on where he goes? But what if he has that belief where his presence alone

heightens everything else around him? Who the hell does Jaden Daniels want to go to the Commanders and turn the franchise around just like that in six months? See, they crowd-goes in Houston and turn the Texas around in six months. Come on, man.

I agree. Ain't no telling what's going to happen. But, hey, ain't no ain't no telling what's gonna happen but hey let's just give him an opportunity let's see what it let's see where he goes hopefully go someplace and has a good offensive coordinator good head coach have great talent

around him because if you go back and look Ocho what did CJ have around him Nico Collins Tank Dale. Yeah. Had Dalton Schultz. Yeah. Nice tight end.

Look at Jayden Daniels. Had nice feet. Hey, they had Zach Ertz. They had scary Terry McLaurin. Uh-huh. Well, listen, I like that you just broke that down. Now, look at the places that he had the chance to go to. We got the Browns, right?

We got Njoku. We got my young... Jerry Judy. We got Jerry Judy. We got my rock Judy we got Jerry Judy we got my rock runner I'm not I'm not sure who the number two is who's the number two receiver I forget the guy I know you're talking about

I he was okay but you know they once they got moved on from Amari right I forget the guy's name

I can't remember I can't remember myself but then okay let's say let's say it's not Cleveland. Let's say the Giants. You got Malik Nables. Yep. And Darion, I think Slayton is still there too, right?

You got Slayton who was just arguing with Michael Parsons. Yep. You know, come on now. Come on now. We can work with that. I just think the thing is that sometimes we have false perceptions that we think the guy coming in should be a finished product and that's the best he's gonna be now and they don't realize that these guys have that opportunity to get better that's not the best that that shouldn't be the best that they that they uh that they are. They should incrementally get

better. And you work at it, you study, you put the time in, good things normally happen. So what is Elijah Moore? Oh, Elijah Moore. Hey, Elijah Moore. I think they got him. Elijah Moore from Clemson.

He can run some routes now. He got some feet on him. He got some cardinals. Huh? Cedric Tillman. Where did Cedric Tillman come from? Tillman. I played with a guy named Cedric Tillman.

He went to Alcorn State. Hey, I know Elijah Moore. Boy, he can run some routes, boy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a smaller guy. Good in the slot. But you know, Jerry Judy is tremendous in that slot. Jerry Judy.

I was happy for Jerry. Yeah, he had a hell of a season, boy. Because, look, he wasn't getting the opportunities. They didn't have the quarterback. He got frustrated. I think the thing is, like, it's easy when you're a young receiver, Ocho, to get down. Because fans start booing you.

Coaches pull you playing time. All of a sudden, you normally play at 45 plays. You play at 20. Well, how the hell do you expect me to show you something in 20 plays when at least five of those, the quarterback's going to get flushed? Yeah. Another five, I'm not the number one option. I might not even be the second option.

I might be third option. And two of those are going to be screened. He's going to get sacked on another three. So how the hell do you expect me to do something with 20 plays and I'm really only involved in about seven of them? Hey, I'm excited, man. I can't wait for football season. When is the draft?

The draft next week, huh? Yeah, he was there last year. Elijah Moore, he's not there anymore, Ocho. He was there last year because I remember him catching a couple of passes against the Broncos. That's what a name. But, okay. Jerry Judy, Cedric Tillman, and some guy named Michael Woods, obviously, and Joku's there. Yeah. Okay. Jerry Judy, Cedric Tillman, and some guy named Michael Woods,

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Former Atlanta Falcons wide receiver Julio Jones, one of the best players in franchise history, announced his retirement from the NFL. Jones, a seven-time Pro Bowl selection, a two-time first-team All-Pro selection during his 13 NFL seasons. He twice led the NFL in receiving yards 2015-2018, and he's the Falcons' all-time leader in receptions 848, receiving yards 12,896,

his 60 receiving touchdowns marked second in Falcons history behind Roddy White. How will you, Ocho, remember Julio? Well, Julio Jones, one of the best to ever play this game. Now, we talk about top five. We talk about top. Listen, might be top five. Honestly, to come out of Alabama, man, one of the greatest ever. I enjoy watching Julio play.

Somebody, it's so funny, right? Watching Julio Jones play, there's a young fella down there at Ohio State that's from Miami who looks just like him. Jeremiah Smith. Oh, yeah, Jeremiah Smith, who might be the second coming of Julio Jones. But, man, Julio was awesome to watch, man, throughout his entire career. Some of the things he could do on the field. That 300-yard game he had against the Carolina Panthers was unbelievable.

When he snatched that goddamn ball off the top of Luke Quigley's head that time, when he snapped that ball away from Malcolm Butler in the end zone for that man, there are some great highlights of Julio Jones. Julio, I know you're going to see this, boy. I've always been a fan of yours. I've always showed you your love

and gave you your flowers while you were actually still playing. I'm still a fan to this day. You're going to get you that gold jacket because you're definitely a Hall of Famer. And you top five in my book. I would have to shuffle the five around a little bit, but you belong in it. I salute you on a great career. And that's it. He was nice.

He was nice. Consummate pro. Had a great career. I wish he could have finished his career in Atlanta. Bouncing around. He went to where? I think he went to Tennessee after he left that, right? Yeah, he went to Tennessee.

Tampa. He went to Tampa and he went to New England. No, Philly. My man. He had a... Tampa. Went to Tampa and he went to New England. No, Philly. Philly. Yeah. Man, he had a... Man, if only they could have closed out that Super Bowl. That 28-3 game. And he had an amazing catch that had him in field goal range.

On the sideline, right? On the sideline? Yep. Woo-hoo! Hey! Steve Bishotti, owner of the Ravens, said he's ready for his team to break through the ceiling and make it to the biggest game of the year.

Bishotti said he doesn't like waiting 12 years, and he thinks impatience is good for you when it comes to competing for titles. He also made it clear, I want to win now. We've got a window with Lamar. I know what we can do. I know that we work to put ourselves in position to win. We all get credit for that.

That's all you can do. I hate it that every year you just have to start back over again. But you know what? This is not for the meek. The Chiefs' bills have ended. The last Ravens season. What will be different this year, Ocho? This is not for the meek. The Chiefs, Bills have ended. The last, Ravens season, the last two. What will be different this year, Ocho?

I mean, listen, it all comes down to two things. Turnovers. That's all it comes down to. In those games, when they've lost, even though they've been able to overcome, Lamar's been able to overcome some of the turnovers, the early turnovers in the game, late in the game. Obviously, we know how it ended with Andrew dropping the ball and having an opportunity to tie the game,

not knowing what would happen going into the second half or overtime at that point. But still, listen about him saying, Bashadi in general, saying he's impatient, he wants to win now. As long as you have number eight at the helm, as long as you have number eight at the helm, you're going to always have a chance. Every time. There are a few quarterbacks in the league. As long as you have number eight at the helm, you're going to always have a chance. Every time.

There are a few quarterbacks in the league. There are 32 teams. There may be five or six quarterbacks that are going to be in contention every single year. You can have a goddamn blind zone. I guarantee they will be in the playoffs. The Baltimore Ravens is one of them. As long as number eight is upright,

alive and well, you got a shot every time. Now, all you have to do is just finish it off in the postseason. That's it. Eliminate the turnovers. That's been your kiddie's heel

so far once you made it. So they're going to be all right. They're going to be all right. He has nothing to worry about. Just the simple fact that the AFC North has run through Cincinnati. That's the only problem.

No, they... No. Oh, Joe, check this out. has nothing to worry about, just the simple fact that the AFC North is running through Cincinnati. That's the only problem. No. Ocho, check this out. Lamar Jackson is challenging NASCAR legend Dale R. Hart Jr. for the number eight trademark. Lamar says it's too close to era eight brand name. Jackson filed a similar trademark opposition to Troy Aikman in 2024

and they're still battling. Ocho, Lamar versus dale jr who owns the number eight oh man listen dale jr we talk about an icon talk about an icon in in the racing world uh someone that's been around for a very long time listen lamar jackson still has a ways to go he's an icon in his own right and what what he's doing down in Baltimore, as a quarterback in general, he's continuing to cement his legacy. At some point, once he gets that ring,

he's going to solidify that. Still one of the all-time greats right now. But that Aiden Earnhardt, that Aiden Earnhardt there, it is different. I mean, it's so hard. That Aiden represent something else. It's iconic. That last name alone, huh?

I mean, when it comes to a number, the only number that's synonymous is 23. Yeah. Yeah. It's 23. That's really the only number that's synonymous with... Look, I understand they've retired. Magic was 33 in college, but Kareem had 33, and so he slid

to 32, and boom. Shaq was 30. What was Shaq? Shaq was 32 in Orlando, but he ended up going to 34. So I get it. But when you think of numbers... Yeah. It's going to be hard. I mean, you know, I think

Troy Aikman got a beer called... I think he has a beer called 8 or something. If I'm not mistaken, I think he does. Yeah, I think he has a beer. I think. Don't quote me on that, but I think I was reading something that he has a beer called 8. You know what hell i got my phone here i'll look it up

i it's it's e-i-g-t-h-s he does have a beer call eight yeah yep low carb low calorie i like it it is you know it's some it's it's certain players, like when you see their number, when you see a certain number, a certain player resonates with that number regardless of what team, regardless of the color of a jersey. You know, I ain't trying to too moan. Yeah. But when you see 85, you know, for the most part. I think Isaac Curtis.

Resonates. Oh, that's you? Oh, bitch. You're bad. I'm sorry. I'm just saying. Listen, I'm with you. When you see that 12, it resonates with Tom Brady.

When you see 15, for the most part, even though he's still playing, you think of Patrick McFarland. Or in 99. You know what 99 is? The great one. Gretzky. Or, you know, hey, in 99, you know what 99 is? The great one. Gretzky. Oh, yeah.

The great one. Oh, hey, listen, as great as he is, Ovechkin is only three goals away. You know that. It don't matter.

Three, three, three, three. Yeah, but, hey, the great,

well, when he get nine hard trophies in a row, talk to me. Yeah. Okay. That's different. Hey, speak. I think Ovechkin wear eight, too.

Lamar Jackson is one of those players, as he continues to play and play well throughout his career, whether he wins a ring or not, that number eight can resonate with him. When he's gone and done playing, that number eight can also resonate in remembering him as well. Yeah, you know, look, we're not saying anything, but the first time when somebody say 99, I'm thinking Gretzky. When somebody say, give me the famous 99, I'm going to think Gretzky. Now, if you want to say, if you're a Yankee fan,

you want to say Aaron Judge, or you're a Bucs fan, I know Sap, Sap, my boy. Sap, yeah. But come on now. Come on now. 99. 99. Yeah. Hold on.

I thought Dale Jr. was 88. How did he get? Why does Dale want? I thought Dale Jr. drove the 88 car. 88? It's too close to 8? Hold on. Hold on.

Lamar says era 88 is too close to era 8 oh maybe the spelling maybe the way it's spelled I mean I can't see it in front of me for context purposes he says era 8 era 8

I don't know that but I don't know. That's a stretch there. Yeah, it's kind of close. Usually when you trademark something, you want it to stand alone by itself. And that those two, it kind of coincides a little bit, and it's too similar.

Too similar. Hold on. Let me see I gotta look this up Jojo cuz I know his dad was the number 3

oh yeah the legend no he drove he drove 88 and he drove eight i think the 88 car was all white i'm not sure who the sponsor was i remember it was all white i can't remember who the sponsors were at the time you know i didn't been to a few nascar races on you've been a nascar yeah you sat outside listen that's one of the that's one of the best dates I done been to a few NASCAR races You been to a NASCAR race before? You sat outside? Listen, that's one of the best dates when you first meet somebody

and you want to do something different something that obviously the woman you're dating has never experienced take her to a NASCAR race and sit outside Man, they don't like that I don't know if they can take that noise though, Joe Hey Hey

It's different. Put your earplugs in if that's the problem. It's different. It's different. It's fun. Get your hot dog, get your beer. Obviously, I don't drink. I have my coconut ice.

Get my hot dog, my little popcorn. Sat there, great conversation. Watch the cars going. But that's neither here nor there. But it's just a great date. For anybody in the chat that want an idea on where to take somebody that they just met, somebody that you already know, NASCAR race. If she can't sit there with you, she don't deserve nothing,

none of the finer things in life if she don't like NASCAR. Dale has trademark 8, not 88. Okay. So he tried to... I don't... Yeah, I don't know. Troy has trademark 8 as spelled out. I mean, numbers are hard to trademark, Ojo.

Because they're like, well, who they belong to? You ain't created. Yeah. It's hard to trademark a number. I mean, slogans, like the three-peat, Pat Riley owns that. Well, he coined the phrase. He got copyrighted for that. Luke, I was hearing that.

I hear Luke Will tell the story. when I called him Lemon Pepper Lou. He asked Pat Bell, you think it's going to stick? Pat said, it's already done stuck. He went out and got Lemon Pepper Lou, Lou Will. You know, he got, hey, I'm just happy that he liked the name. That's it. I have, hey, I was just being funny, you know, because, you know, we are, we talk about, we go get the wings, don't y'all? Yeah. And I'm still, I'm still waiting on us to take that trip to go get

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