Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Turkey BEATS USA in Final Group Stage + Timberwolves TRADE for LaMelo Ball + Celtics SHOPPING Jaylen Brown

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Turkey beating the USA in final game of group stage, Timberwolves trade for LaMelo Ball and Jaylen Brown still in trade rumors. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 00:00 - Introduction6:30 - Turkey def US19:53 - Charlotte Hornets trade LaMelo Ball to the Timberwolves48:48 - Celtics reportedly looking for a big man and are willing to trade Jaylen Brown (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You joke was beepers, man. But look, we advanced. We won the group. We get to advance. Now we play Bosnia, Herzegovina for a chance to go to this round of 60. Man, this is, ooh, Lord, this is some bulljad. But anyway, thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap.

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and then Turkey comes back with two goals of their own, and then to start in the second half, we get the quick goal and tied up. We had so many shots on goal, and we just kept, kept missing, kept missing. and in the closing minutes, Turkey got that goal in there to win three, two. To conclude group stage play, USA will now play Bosner and Herzegovina

in the round of 32, clenching the first place in group D. There's absolutely, well, it was something. I wanted to win. I wanted bragging rights. I had to call us. Hey, this pride turkey, Joe.

We got these. We got them. That's what I said when they jumped off to that good start. I like the back and forth, man. I like the action. You know what I mean? I like the action. I ain't like that Turkey got us down at the end,

but for the most part, you know, from a competitive standpoint, I thought we was going to pull it out. That would have been three in a row first time since we're in. Yeah, yeah. And I think the thing is, Joe, I think because the U.S. scored so easy, so early, I think they kind of relaxed.

And if you notice Turkey kept the pressure on, once the turkey fell behind one-nothing, they kept the pressure on throughout the entirety of the first half. We kept the pressure on them for the entirety of the second half, except that last goal they were able to. to get that goal in there. Look, and I know for the most part, there was really nothing at stake.

You want to brag and rights. You want to go undefeated in group stage, but it is what it is. And now, so now the rubber really meets the road. And so this is where all the bragging rights come in at Bosnia and Herzegovina. They played them in the round of 32. Hopefully you can get an opportunity to go to the round of 16 and then we'll see what happened.

But Bosn, now you focus all your attention. There's nothing you can do about what you, you know, Uruguay and, I think they play, what they play, Uruguay, Uruguay or Paraguay. But they play one of them Guis, but then they play Turkey and they played Australia. And they played Australia. Yeah, it would have been nice to go undefeated in group stage,

but that didn't happen. And so now you focus, your attention on Bosnia and Herzegovina and see if you can advance to the round of 16. Oh, Cho, you saw this, and I was, I don't know if you heard what I said coming on. It seemed like because the U.S. scored in the first three to four minutes of the game, they kind of relaxed. And then Turkey put the pressure on. Turkey kept, I mean, they kept attacking.

They kept the ball in our end. They kept getting shots. I was like, well, God, damn, get them all out of your end, USA. Man, I was like, man, they're making me mad. Yeah, it's a little difficult, especially tonight. I know Turkey doesn't have much to play for it, but obviously they're going to play hard. Again, we have a few players, some of our starters that are out,

Uncle Joe, they're on yellow cars, and we don't want to, we don't want to chance and get yellow in this game, then that means they have to miss the next match, and the next match is very, very important. And obviously, just like basketball, soccer also is a game of momentum. It's also a game of runs. And obviously, in that first half, you know, after we scored early, obviously, you know, Turkey had had all the momentum and the runs.

They were much more physical. They were much more physical on the ball, knocking us off the ball, and just wanted to get to it a little bit more. In the second half, we got a little better. obviously we got two goals, one from trusty and one from Burke Halter. And I mean, we look good. And it just, you can tell that some of the starters weren't planned because we were a little shaky. We didn't look, we didn't look as polished and clean and sharp as we did in the first two games.

Yeah, I mean, you look at Tyler Adams, Florian Ballagun, Chris Richards and Anthony Robinson. None of those guys played, as you mentioned, Ocho. They had a yellow card and didn't want to pick up the second yellow card and obviously missed the match, the most important match. of this tournament thus far when they play Bosnia and Herzl Gavina. All that being saying, look, we still, look. And I, you know, I was joking like, man, we're just about to be fried turkey.

You know, turkey only known for, they got two things. Yeah. They're a transplant and whirl and derbis with their praying, and they just spend an hour, and hours and hours, and hours. And I didn't really know. I heard people say whirl and derbis. It wasn't until I got older than I realized they're actually praying. They're doing a chant.

And they do that six, seven, eight, ten, 12 hours, Joe. And so that's what I knew whirling derby's. I didn't know they were from Turkey. But anyway, look, now this is the most important because you're on home soil. We've got to, somehow, Ocho, we got to get to. And I don't really want to put the cart in front of the horse. And that's because I need the horse to pull the cart.

Yeah. Damn it. Yeah. We got to, we got to get to 16. We've got to. It is an absolute must on home soil. And it ain't no telling, it probably won't happen again in our lifetime where we'll have the men's World Cup on American soil.

Yeah. So they've got to come to, oh, Joe, they got to come through with this. They got to. Uncle Joe, I want you all to understand how difficult it is, you know, to get to that round of 16. It's about playing solid, mistake-free football. I mean, that's what it's going to have to be. You're going to have to be solid.

I'm talking about almost damn near perfect in all three, phase of the game, midfield, your backline defensively. When you're attacking offensively, inside, inside 18, anything inside of that box, always wanted to make the extra pass. You have to do almost everything perfect, and the margin of error is so small, so small, once you're playing against better opponents or opponents that are just as good or better than you, every, every, every moment counts. Every single moment in possession counts.

Hey, but now the real deal about it's starting. Yeah, you win and you advance. You lose, you go home. In the group stage, you know, you got three games in group stage. Once you lose, now moving forward, you're taking your ass home. Well, the U.S. won't have far to go because they're on home turf. Yeah, hey, we can't, hey, we can't let nobody come on our front porch now and try to fight us. Now, they ain't what I'm saying, yes.

Yeah, I'm with your name. Hey, they come with where they think you the strong is there. You gotta come through. I'm like, um, man. Hey, you know, how do you feel, Joe? You know what it's like to go into somebody else building and kick their ass. Ocho, you know what it's like to go in somebody else stadium and kick the ass. But look here, they're in our country.

Yeah. The whole country. I don't care what anybody say. That seemed anticlimactic. And I'm looking at the thing of the crowd. And I know, you know, everybody was excited. Ocho, you were in attendance at the game, left a little bit early. But at the end of the day, man, that crowd was stunned.

I don't care what they say. Yeah. They were. They were. Hey, listen, that. When we get to that round of 32, I mean, what, we got a round of 32, we got a knockout state. Man, we got to get to a game, man.

We got, look, man, look, my heart can't take it, Ocho. Man, if we lose a game, if we lose the Bosniel, we lose in the round of 16. A game like this, Ocho, I can't take that, man. I ain't even lie to you. We got, we got to get past round of 32 first, right? That's what I'm saying. Even if we, Ocho, can you imagine losing it in the round of 32 like that?

Hey, I'd be hurt. Yeah, but I can't take that. I know. Ocho might come on here and share the tip. I might cry. USA, don't do it like that, bro. I might. Joe, this come around every four years, Joe. I cried when the Steelers beat the Bengals.

Ain't no telling what might happen. What might happen. Yeah. I mean, a game of this magnitude on our home turf. I mean, look, I watch the World Cup every four years when they come around and watch the men when they're all different places. but here, what was it that last time? Wasn't that cutter?

It was in Qatar? Yeah, and they moved it because of the, I don't know how they ended up. That's another here, there are temperatures. That would be like having a World Cup in Vegas or Arizona in the summer. Like, what? Yeah. And Qatar and Qatar, excuse me. I mean, they had their change in the name.

It was cutter or Qatar. So Qatar, you know what I'm talking about, Chad. But, man, we got, we got to get past Bosnia. And I know Bosnia is a very good team. and but hell we're a good team too damn them. Hey. Hell.

We got to match them on. We got to match them. Hey, we got to match them. Hey, we got this, bro. We got this. We got this. I can't wait. Well, I can't wait. Hey, what day they play? Ash, when did they play?

When did they play? Hold on. See if you got up here. No, Ash doesn't have it up here. When did they play a game? When did the 32? July 1st, Wednesday, Ocho. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So I got, I'm going to Portugal, Columbia,

Saturday, Miami, Saturday night. That's, that's going to, hey, what you talk about, an atmosphere? You should, you two need the experience? The back to Columbia and Portugal crowd? Man, listen. It's going to be like that? Joe, you that made me take my shades off, Joe.

And you know, you know I got one bad eye. Huh? Hey, hey, hey, I like that little Dita jacket you got on, bro. That's nice. Oh, I appreciate this. Boy, I appreciate this. My bad, I know I know I'm off topic, but I, you know, I like that little Dita jacket. What size is that?

What size is that? I mean, it's your size. What's up? Well, it's a snatching off your ass size. That's what it is. That's why I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. Give me that.

Go ahead. Come on, USA, hey, don't let us die. We, hey, man, y'all have got a, they don't got our hopes up so, so. high because they're playing so well. And Ocho, you were talking about, look, we first game, we had never seen them be this aggressive throughout an entirety of a match. And we see them not have a letdown against Australia. They win consecutive matches this the first time and damn there, and that, look, and for me and look, anything can happen in a given game. It doesn't mean, but I'm saying, I was like, man, I really, really was hoping to go undefeated in group play.

Yeah. They really give them some, now, look, if I'm not mistaken, I think, I think, I think Argentina, I think they lost in group play last year, the last World Cup of Joe. Matter of fact, and they lost to a team, I don't want to see. Was it Saudi Arabia? It was Saudi Arabia. Two, one. That was a good game, too, boy. Yeah.

And so look, anything, I don't be like it. Well, you know such and such did this. Man, you know such and such had a dog and his name was lucky and you got a dog named Lucky and he worked a hundred billion. You might be, man, shut up. I ain't trying to hear all that nonsense, man. Hey, Chad, I know y'all can tell I'm hard about this, man.

I was, man, I was about to come on here and talk to us. I told you, old show, man, this turkey league hood. I told you, when you're going to have fried turkey? This big give it. You always got to have a regular turkey and a fried turkey. The one thing about soccer is, you know, there's some teams at the bottom. There's some teams at the top.

But is whatever team plays best that day. Yeah. And, you know, it's not guaranteed that the better team going to win with the better players. It just, dude, the margin for everything. error so small, Joe, man. It's like, yeah, man, it's crazy. It's really going to ramp up and get crazy around at 32

because don't nobody want to make no mistakes. Don't want to make no mistakes. Don't nobody want to take no chances. Nobody wants to play free-flowing football. They're playing nervous, always passing the ball back, not taking nobody on. I mean, there might be one, I mean, maybe two or three teams that they have so much.

death where they can take certain chance and know that they're covered on the back end. You know, I know we can go, we can get away with attacking and being aggressive and being out of position because our defense got us. Yeah, everybody feels like that. Yeah.

But anyway, the USA men, they lose the turkey tonight, three, two, and the final minutes of play. And now the real fun begins. It's the round of 30.

the USA play Bosnia and Herzegovina. And we'll see. They play Wednesday, July 1st. That match takes place and we'll see if they can advance to the round of 16. But before the round of 16, there's the round of 32. So the USA wins Group D stage with two wins and a loss. And they advanced along with Australia. And we'll see just how far this thing can go.

We are home soil. Our men are playing very, very well. I thought they played really well. couple of minutes, the opening minutes of the game. They scored so quickly. And then they would seem like they're on the defense of the rest of the half. And then they came out. And then, you know, when you get opportunities, Ocho, you see, and Joe, you see they

had many, many opportunities to extend the lead, to go up three, two, to possibly go up four to, and it was just a little bit off. And give turkey credit, they hung around, they hung around, hung around. And in the closing minutes of O.T. Excuse me. E.T. extra time. They slide the gold in and they win them.

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app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I am Rapaport Podcast. They win the match. So they have something positive to go back home, Turkey, and talk about, and USA, we advance. And so that's what it is.

Well, we had a big trade last night. The Charlotte Hornets traded Lamello Ball and Josh Green to the Timberwoods for Naz Reed and a series of draft picks. The Hornets will receive a 2033 unprotected first round pick, three second round picks, 2029, 2032, 233.

Charlotte also get first round pick swaps in 28, 29, and 30. The Timberwolves now have number one and number three picks from the 2020 draft. Joe, did Minnesota just become a dangerous back court in the Western Conference after pairing, Mello and Ant Man, together in Minnesota? man i don't know how dangerous they gonna be unc and ocho but they damn show gonna be fun

they'll be exciting huh oh man they're gonna be fun to watch i would dig her ready to say that joe they might they might not be the most dangerous but they're gonna be entertaining as hell oh man hey hey because you know you got to understand both of those guys probably ranked top five top ten and signature shoes that's out right now lamello with puma uh and man with adidas and just the aura that they both carry. I think they're going to make each other better, bro. I think it's definitely going to help. If y'all notice, we always talk about a copycat lead,

whether it's the NFL, whether it's the NBA. You see what Minnesota got going on. They're trying to surround Rudy with all these tweeners who can do a little bit of everything, kind of like how San Antonio, obviously, Rudy ain't no damn whimby, but, you know, they play. Hey, I kind of see it. Same way with New York. New York got cat at the five, but then you got OG, Hart, Bridges.

You got, you know, you got all these tweeter guys around them. So I can kind of see that's what Minnesota is going because they got rid of their beef. I think they, they, they, they, yeah, Joe, I think the thing is that they need more scoring. They need consistent scoring. They need somebody that Ant Man that can absorb some of these double teams from Ad Man.

Ant Man was facing constant double teams. And so to try to lighten the load on him, he has a guy that can stretch the floor. They haven't had this type of guy in a very, very long time. He can shoot the three. He is good of one leg shooting three as we have in the NBA. He can put the ball on the floor. He got a nice blow game.

He can finish. Now, look, he ain't much on the defensive end. But he's going to put so much pressure. He and Ant Madden going to put so much pressure on you on the offensive end. And he says, this is what we need. This is a scoring lead. League, excuse me, league. You're not fend to hold somebody to 80, 90 points consistently.

You might have a game, maybe two games where you keep a team under 100, but you better be able to score on the other end. Because if you counting on your defense, 90 in the night out, Joe, like this was, the 90s, the 80s, the whole team's under 90 points, that issue ain't happening in today's game anymore. Nah, no, no. I see Lamello, Uncle Ocho, he's going to make the game a lot easier for Ant Man. You know what I mean?

Because Lamello is a past first point guard who can score. You know what I'm saying? So it's going to be nice where he's probably going to have 16 assists, 12 points. or it's going to be other nights he may have 27 points and 8, 9, 6. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's one of those guys who are going to be able to fill out the game, but he knows he's going to always have to get Ant Man going. So I think his high IQ for the game is so underrated.

I'm glad he's been put in this position to where he can kind of showcase what he can do on a playoff caliber team, you know, who's trying to, you know, ultimately win a championship. Now, I know they want to do anything they can, bro, to please, and man and try to keep them around. I think this is step in the right direction. Now, although I don't think they're done because you got to have, you got to have some size.

Yeah. You got to have something. You ain't got number of Rudy. That ain't going to, they ain't going to get it. No. I think, but Joe, concern with that thing is because you know, Melo take a lot of bad shots. Yeah.

Now, the thing is, he's not a prototype. He's not the old school point guard. Mello's looking, I mean, what are the average? Now, I am not surprised by this trade. when they went and got when they got went and got Kobe right they really love Con Cinepp they like okay

we're more conventional now they want to build around C Cinepple they want to build around Brandon Miller they want now so we got Kobe we got Cinniple we got Brandon Miller I like what we got right now and so I am people like

oh I am not shocked by this and plus mellow injury history yeah because guess what Joe, Ocho, in two years, he's going to, he's looking smack dab at 300 million. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. So, look, Joe, I think they're thinking more about that, having to give a guy that third contract. Right. Okay, the rookie contract is easy. That's a no-brainer. He's sliding here. This is what he's going to make.

Now we got a rookie, now we got him on the second contract. Is he an all-N-B-A selection? He's in all-defensive selection. He's an MVP. If he a defensive player at the year. Because now that makes you get a super max contract. Now we get to that third contract, Joe. That's $2.9 and that's $300.

And at this third contract, hell, we still ain't no damn playoff. There are you. You know what I'm saying? So you're right. These teams are trying to get away from that. But to kind of piggyback on what you were saying about the Kobe White thing, I think he plays so well in those playing games, Uncle Ocho, and not even just then.

but since he came from Chicago, I think he's been so consistent. He was just great in those playing games that I think they really looked at it. It was like, you know what? Hell, if we do have to get off Lamello, that's cool. I feel like Jacobi can run this point. You know, we like Khan Knappel.

We like Brandon Miller. You know, we like the high-energy guys that we got. And maybe we just move forward because if you're fighting to get into the damn play in and understanding, you know, hell, the heat doesn't get better. The east got a little thicker, too. You know what I mean?

So why not move on, why don't I move on him now when he's probably at his highest value because he's just coming off probably his best season statistically in the NBA? Melo can score. We know Melo can score. Yeah. I mean, you don't realize how tall he is. He's legit six, seven. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Can get his shot up. It's very unorthodox, but he can get that shot off. He can put the ball in floor. He got way above average handles. He can finish. He got a float. He can finish.

So I, but I am not surprised by this based on the simple fact. His injury history, he's going to come up on a third year contract. And as you said, Joe, now we're in the play in. Now we fighting for nine, nine, ten. Nah, hell, nah, three hundred million for that. Nah, let somebody else deal with that. Yeah, hey. Go ahead, Ojo.

I'm going to say, I mean, he's one of the few players that Charlotte's had that could put butts in the seat. Yes, sir. They come in to see Lamela because he's unpredictable. He's exciting. He's entertaining. He's polarized this. You don't know what's going to happen.

So to let a figure of that magnitude go and then you pair him with someone who just is polarizing as he is on the court, off the court. Not only the Minnesota got to worry about is they got to make sure, you know, you know, he dry out the right way. That's it. Let me, Ocho. Yeah. They traded Luca Donchick. Now, with them training Luca Donchitz, he's a six-time first-team all-N-B-A selection. Do you think who is untradable in the NBA?

Nobody. Everybody can get it. Wimby? Because once they traded Luca, the NBA was on notice. Everybody in the NBA was off. They traded a guy 25 years old that was a five-time first-team all-NBA selection, a rookie of a year. And he's a potential, he's all top five.

MVP selection every single year and they moved it. Yeah. I'm not surprised by this. Everybody got the green light. And so guess what? They moved him. Why? Man, he on the second contract.

That third contract going to be $350 going to be $400 million. He has some help. We know he's outstanding. Led the league and scoring again for the second time. Over 33, what, 32, 33, 33, 34 points a game. Yes, sir. He's done that. But, man, injury.

is starting to creep up. There's some habits that he has. The working out habit, there's some habits that he got that, you know, you know, Ocho, I mean, look, he's a phenomenal talent. We're not taking that away from him, but to give $350 and it's kind of hard to get him to,

like the old mute, my grandma said, boy, can't get you like a mule, can't get you to the G-HR. I mean, go or stop. If we can't get him to G-A-Hodd, he's on a rookie contract or first and second contract, what the hell we're going to do when he get to 300, 350?

Nothing. Yeah. I'm just saying they should or they shouldn't have. I'm just trying to have a business as these owners how they're thinking. Yeah. And listen, but we all know Minnesota was looking for a point guard. Yes.

They needed a point guard. They needed somebody who could control things. We've seen the double teams that M-Man was getting who could take some pressure off of them. And this is one. This is one guy who I definitely think going to help. But I think from Minnesota, what they're really looking for, Unka-Ocho, is for Jayden McDaniels to take that next step. Yes, yes, yes.

He has to take that next step. I know we talk about it all the time, and I tell you, he's going to need anywhere from a nice, efficient 16 to 22, 24 points of night consistently, bro, for them to be effective. And still be that defensive paralysis, like a Scotty Pippin type. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes.

Hey, hey, hey, they're going to need him to really turn the corner, you know, this upcoming season. Well, and they're hoping that with Juilliard's off out of there, because when they pass the ball to Julius, he's like, man, who got the ball? You ain't getting it back. What? If you get it back, it's going to be with four seconds on the clock. Bro, you had the ball in 12 seconds. And all you did was, peep, beep. And then shoot a wild shot and didn't look at the referee.

They said, they said. They said Julius ran to the Brooklyn, man. Hey, they said that man to Brooklyn. And not for a first round. They traded him and a 28 pick in the first round for a second round pick. They traded that man for a 1974 Pinto. Right, right. I couldn't believe it.

Oh, man, come on. Joe. You know. When you want to get rid of something, you don't care where they go. Or you don't have to care what. That's like somebody giving up four, 500 million dollars to their ex and a divorce settlement. Do you really know how tired you must be of somebody saying, yeah, I got $500 million for you by? Yeah.

Yeah, I got a billion for you buy. Yeah, I got a billboard for you buy. That's what they said. Yeah. We really don't want anything in return. Because think about it. For every Draymond Green and Nicole, Yokic and Jalen Brunson, second round picks that turn out to be, well, we know Yokic

is going to be a Hall of Famer. Draymond Green is training that direction, two MVP, a defensive player in the Air Force championships, and Jalen Brunson is what he's done. He's definitely training in that direction. How many second round picks we actually think going to do something? I mean, you got way back win when it was like four or five rounds. You had Willis Reed, if I'm not mistaken, the second round pick. But for the most part, in the mock common draft, that ain't happening.

So for them to give up a first round pick, even later first round picks, basically you're trying to get guys in a lot. Look at the guy that's one MVP's. Most of those guys are early round picks, at least top 10. Yeah. So I'm not surprised and considering how poorly Julius played against San Antonio. And, you know, I, I, go ahead. Hey, you got to get San Antonio credit now.

They're a hell of a defensive team. You know what I mean? I think, you know, now I know Julius didn't play, he didn't play his best ball against him. But it must have been something more than that. I'm sure it is. You know what I mean? Because they got out the first round,

you know, they was able to beat the Nuggets. I thought they played well in their series. It's just, man, you played against a hell of a team, a hell of a San Antonio team, bro. And the power forward, you should be able to do, you should be able to have your way against Bacel and damn, and capsule. I'm sorry, Joe.

as a six nine power forward. Those are twos and threes that are guarding you in the post. Hey, hey, them boys playing big, though, these ain't no regular two.

I get, listen, listen, listen, I understand what you're saying, but these ain't no regular. So you let a, you're going to let a six,

you're going to let a six, two, three guard, a two guard, or a point guard, guard, guard, guard you in the post. I'm not. That's six,

nine and a half. I'm not. And you got Bacell and you got counsel. And I know Castle is unbelievable. but that's the problem Joe, that's the problem. They paying this man $35 million. That's supposed to be your advantage.

Him. Yeah, yeah. Especially when you hobbled because Amman is hobbled, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand that. And then we cut it. I think that's why they go.

Remember, Gordon was kind of hobbled in the first round against him. So now that would have been the matchup. So he had an advantage and he kind of took advantage of that. Yeah. Now when Ant Man is still kind of hobble, we're paying you. You're supposed to be the difference maker.

Remember, they traded cat for you. Yeah. The boy just got him one. Now they feel, not he looking like, oh, love, we traded, oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to move on. Got to. And like you said, and my thing, if you hear about Kobe said, you know, when you get in, you go get, bro, you're not Kobe.

You're not Kobe. These guys got to stop thinking. Oh, Kobe said, And I appreciate Kobe and partaking, rest your soul, Kobe, in partaking wisdom on these guys. But the problem is these guys actually think they're Kobe. Yeah, they got the Mamba mentality. No, they think they had the mentality.

They got King Snake. They got Brown Snake, no venom. See, what made the Black Mamba so deadly is that the Black Mamba isn't the most toxic snake in the world. Right. That's a crate, that's an inland Tai Pan, that's a common brown. They're probably two or three at the viper, maybe the Govoon Viper or the Russell's Viper has more toxic in Africa than the Mamba. But the Mamba is one of the few snakes that will bite without provocation.

He's looking for a problem. Kobe didn't need any reason to do something bad to you. Right. So that's what I'm saying. People like the black mom, no, the black mommy is not even close to being one of the most toxic snake

in the world. And now that I'm starting crossing snakes to get even more toxicity. You bleed out of anything that has a hole, you bleed out of it. Hey, if you got a pet snake,

I do not want to come over your house. You know, if it's venomous. Snakes and spiders. Hey, Joe, you scared of snakes and spiders, what? Nakes and spiders. Why don't play with those snakes and fighters?

I know what they have on me when I see you. Yeah. I know what they have on me when I see you, Joe. All right. Yeah, because I love me some spot. You know in high school he used to call me a rackinophobia. No. Yeah.

Yeah. Because you used to get down on all fours and get busy. Come on. I'm doing right, did it? Hey, hey, see how you don't get left field? Hey, Joe. You see that? You know what about?

You know what about it? Ocho was talking about arachnophobia, which is we're a spider. And so now we talk about it's, oh, you get out of all. Come on, Joe, where are you going with this? Hey, hey, hey, hey, y'all got a chill, bro, for real. Y'all can't be trying to stop. Stop trying to point. Like one of them little kids in class.

See, see? Come on, man. How do we go in talking about spiders and snakes? And you're talking about getting on forward trying to get busy. Because that man said he's arachnophobia. So I'm saying, I'm saying. and a ratman. Yes, that is the fear of spiders.

What did he say he was? They used to call me a rectophobia. Rectophobia. You know exactly what he's saying. Now y'all see, y'all see, Ocho and I've been trying to tell y'all. I said, I ain't never been number one. Nah. You know, I'm just here.

Joe, that's between Joe and Ocho and Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe took over. Chad, Chad, anytime somebody is in denial, like, the way the E-Board be, That's how you know they're number one because they can't wait to try and deflect and put something on me. That's what you know they number of way. We're not deflecting.

You said it. We're showing you that your innocence is not who you truly are. Yeah, y'all check them out, Chad. Go ahead. Keep going. What you're saying? Joe. Joe. I'm a police officer. I pulled you over for speeding.

You got me side the road talking about what about all those other kinds. Look out there. I said, well, you know what? Joe, if I had to pull you over, I could have got one. of them. But I got you side the road. Uh-huh. That you, what?

You know what? Maybe had Ocho said, what he said, what you said, we could have appointed at Ocho. But you said that we're talking about spiders. Ocho said, they used to call your boy, arachnophobia, which is the fear of spiders and arachnid. You talk about, yeah, because you

was on all four getting busy. It's like, where did this come from? Yeah. I must say, well, I must say, I probably You didn't her, you were exactly right. I know, I know. He didn't, he didn't. did at the past four shows in a row. Yes. You went all the way in left field.

And who's counting? Listen. We counting because you quit to point it on me. Man, I told you, man. Hey, Ung, Ocho, man, me, chat, we already know y'all big freaks. Ain't nobody, listen, the thing is, it don't make y'all no bad brothers, man.

We still like y'all the same. Ain't nobody judge y'all. We just know what it is. No. The Bible teaches us judge you not. At least you'd be judged. So that is, we're judged free. That what I'm saying?

We can't judge you? But it's the fact that you quit, man, man, man. You know you saying you was hell when you was well. Hey, so we know now, hey, I so Joe didn't play back in the day. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Listen, man. Listen, listen.

Listen, listen, I know this man if he claiming he was any type of insect or anything, that mean he was doing something freaky. That's just who he is. That's just who he is, bro. This man said from a freaky, this man said because the man said he was an insect, he had to be

doing something freaky. Yeah, you know. You know what? Get your mind. Don't get your mind out of the gutter, man. Yeah, y'all see this? Y'all see this. All right. Chad, my bad. My bad, my bad. My bad. Your damn right. Right. I'm a shit. I'm a chill. It's too late now. It's too late.

Hey, yeah. Say, damage, you already done. Yeah. It's been done. The business has done that. But hey, you know what? Damn it. Damn it.

Hey, you know what? Damn, you know what? Damn, when we be number one, damn, I'll be number one. Damn, I'm number one. I'm number one. I'll be number one. Oh, Joe.

Now I think, hey, guys, a chat, I think I know what happened. Well, I think I know to get that heat, to get the heat up of him, Joe might have set me up with the video. Joe might have set me up with the tape. Okay. Why?

He might have sent somebody to infiltrate us, Oh, Joe. I think so. I like that. Man, listen. Hold on. You think my character gives off that type of vibe? Oh, for show.

That's, that's, that's a lot. Man, they're shady. Nah, nah, nah, we may, hey, we might be a little shysty in the way we move sometimes, but shady, I wouldn't say shady. Okay, Shite. Okay, Shat. You know.

All right. Yes. Yes. Yeah, like, if we owe you something, if we owe you some money and something, we may not pay you, you know, that type of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You owe me still. I had to, I had to forget about all that. My bad. Yeah, but that's okay. Joe, like you said, you being number one, I still look at you the same. I think you as, you're as clutch of the NBA player that they've ever created. A big shot taker, a big shot maker. Yes, sir. That's you. So anything outside of that, you take it? You take it to make. making big shots, I still hold you in high regard.

Same, same over here, Joe. Huh? Hey, I don't look at you no different. You hear me? Listen, let's be number one. I'll be number one. I'll be number one. That's you, that's you cool.

Yeah, I take that with you. Hey, hold it down. Hey, you know what? Hey, it's so bad. He's so delusional. He's the type that need therapy. He need counseling. Yes.

But he don't even realize it. He the type need to be in them like them LAA classes. Yeah. We're not an alcoholic, but you're out there drinking six in the morning. You're drinking 12 in the afternoon. Then you're drinking again at night. That's what Joe is. He got to go to the freak Anonymous.

I saw Joe Johnson and I'm a freak and people clap for him. He's like, well, hell, y'all are you talking about it. I'm going to stay a freak. Y'all was supposed to boom. But hell, once y'all started clapping, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing. Listen, listen. Hey, I can't believe you an Ocho on here tonight acting like that, man. Damn.

My light went off, man. It's all good. Like I said, that don't make you no bad, brother. And I think, I hate that. Look, I think the thing is with Knows Reed going to Charlotte, because there's two parts of this, a big guy that can stretch the floor. Oh, yeah. He's another stretch guy.

Look, they got guys that's going to be able to shoot the cup off the ball. Brandon Miller can shoot the three, but he can elevate. can finish above the rim. Knieple, we know, the most threes by a rookie in NBA history, he can shoot it. He's only going to get better. Yeah. I like Kobe White.

He can shoot the three. He got great hagglers. He can penetrate. Hey, look, the East, and then like I said, they beat Miami. Ended up losing, I think they end up losing to Orlando. Orlando.

They might, I'm not, obviously, they're not no serious contenders. They, I don't, this move does not put them above the Knicks, and I don't think it puts them above Detroit and some of the other teams. I think what Miami did, I don't think that puts them above Miami. But I think they can cause some problems because like you said, Joe, the other night, after the All-Star break, they had one of the best records in the NBA. Yeah, yeah.

So that's definitely something they were playing great ball. Yeah, they were playing great balls. So I think they added some great pieces. I guess what they're going to do with Miles Bridges, I think, okay, Ocho, because if you bring over uh, uh, big boy, Nas Reid. I think it's time, I think it's time for Brits. I think it's time of him to get paid.

Well, it is. He's on expiring contract, a little under $23 billion a year. That makes him very, very enticing to someone because they only have one year on that contract. I don't, I don't think that could be they keep him and he plays out of his mind because he can score. He's another dude bad. He get hot.

Yeah. Are you? He get it going, and you know what? I, I, I think was underrated in this because Lamello had great chemistry with those guys, bro. You talk about C Cinepple, the rookie year that he had, Lamello had a lot to do with that. You know what I'm saying, with him getting assists off of Conniple,

him getting assists off of Brandon Miller. I just thought it was a great match, but obviously you weren't going to be at the top of the damn E, so it's going to be hard to pay a guy 300-some M, so I don't get up off of him why he got some great value, some great years left in him. Because at least for the next two, three years, he in Minnesota,

they'll really get a chance to kind of see what they made. If you think about it, Joe, when you go back to Minnesota, cat seven foot, let him go. You trade, let him go, and you trade it for a six and nine and a half Julius Randall.

I don't know how tall Knopf reads, what, 16, 611, you let him go. You're kind of small now, Oonkin, on your joke. Yeah. You're kind of really small. Yeah, man, 64, 6.4.5. You got Mellow 6, 7,

you got Dissomu, you got Jane Daniels, we got Rudy Goberra. Then they're going to need a big to back Rudy Gober up because you're not getting, you're not getting offense for Rudy. Rudy is there to anchor your defense. So now you're going to need any points on the offensive end and you're going to need another, you probably need another defender. And Joe's random wasn't a great defender.

But I think you're going to need some defensive guys. You got all those guys with offensive weaponry. Now, Edman going to hold his own. Yeah. But Mello is really. not a defender and I don't and I hadn't seen enough of disamble to see if he's a really defender we know jane jane mcdaniels and we know uh rudy those are your defenders hey hey but we do know they that they young buck tian shannon who made his uh playoff

debut he a he gonna be in a rotation this year oh joe you know what i mean yeah but i think i think with minnesota because rudy is a defensive big and the way he played against denver against yokech you know what I'm saying the defense that he put on yokeage in that first round bro they helped them get out of that round so you you know you got to try to hope if you do run into that problem again he can kind of duplicate that type of performance but man when you play san antonio you play okay c you're gonna have your hands full you're gonna have your hands full but listen when you got all those guys surrounded you know like they got rudy i just feel like your backup gonna have to be some type of a shooting

threat on the ocho you got you got you got you got you Gotta have a big who can shoot the ball, bro. You know what I mean? To be able to mix up coverages and give different looks. But those guys, Ant Man, Lamello, McDaniels, Iyo, like two of those guys going to damn, they're going to have to be special. They're going to have to be pretty damn good on a night-to-night basis. You know what I mean?

And I think the thing is if you look at teams that have bigs, the bigs are opposite of what the starter is. If you look at look at cat starts, but Mitchell Robinson is totally different. you look at Wemby and Cornett is totally opposite. You look at Rudy Gauberra. Nas Reid was totally opposite. Yeah. So you're going to have to get somebody.

I agree with you, Joe. You're going to have to get somebody that's an offensive threat. You can't have two. You can't have two defensive threats at the big position. Because listen, you already know what's going to happen

when you meet the cream of the crop, meaning the spurs. Wimby going to be playing damn free safety and their defense is going to look elite. They defense going to look elite because if your five man ain't no threat, that's why the Knicks were able to win, bro, because Kat was such a threat.

You know, if you're big, if your five can't shoot, your ass in trouble, boy. The wolves also discussed, adding, discussed Jalen Brown with the Celtics before Trader Lemelo, per John Kowaziz, uh, Czznik, uh,

I forgot, bra, you got this name. I don't know with the C-Z-Y-N. Krasinski. Let's go with Krasinski. John Cresensky, Minnesota thought Mello as fitting more what they needed and far less compensation going out.

Man, listen, if I'm J.B., Jalen Brown, I really don't give damn what happened. You got to be hurt, huh, Joe? Every time something come up, it's always his name that's in the conversation to be entreated. This ain't the first time. Close your eyes.

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willing to trade jb to get it this is the problem that i have j b gets mad at stephen a jb gets mad at at places like nightcap and others get mad at the boston celtics you can't get mad at organizations for covering you being brought up because guess what you arrived in boston one year before jason Tatum. Jason Tatum, name has never come up in a trade when Boston were trying to acquire someone. Your name has constantly come up.

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That is fact. That's why Jason Tatum name doesn't appear. This ain't got nothing to do with anything else. Take Stephen A. I get it. Y'all upset Stephen A going back and forth, and I've had conversations with Stephen A. Bro, you don't need to do it.

Stephen A is who he is. He's going to do what he want to do. He's grown. We're all grown. But y'all can't get mad at Stephen A. Y'all need to get mad at Brad Stevens. Y'all need to get mad at the Boston Celtics organization for continuously putting this.

man in trade discussions. Not us for discussing it. Go ahead, Joe. Yeah. No, hey, listen, I don't understand why they're trying to get out of J.B. so bad, Uncle Ocho, because I just feel like him and Tatum, I mean, arguably when they're healthy,

they're the best duo in the Eastern Conference. You know what I mean? And unfortunately, you had to deal with some setbacks this season, which was Jason Tatum, one of your key guys. But man, listen, I think J.B. I think he is pissed off at the Celtics. Yeah. Yeah, I think

I think he is pissed off at the Celtics. I don't care. Yeah. Hold on. Joe, before you go into farther, Ocho, before you chain, let's talk to the sound. Jay-B. is in France. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Leader behind that was ESPN. ESPN is unethical. And Stephen A. Smith is the head face of that.

But, you know, the organization, the players, they were all in the grants. They all knew what I meant by that. Our team was basically salary dumps. You know, we lost a lot of players. And for us to emerge and still be in the same position, we got to start to understand like success doesn't always mean. So in other words, the optics, remember he said,

he said he felt that this was his best year. His best year, they got beat early. optics is everything. Optics is everything. Joe, if somebody's walking on the train, if I shove someone off the train tracks, without the context of you knowing the train is coming and I saved them, you're like, man,

why shall you put that push that person on the train tracks? Yeah. They're looking at like, bro, you scored less, you rebounded less, you assisted less, and you won a championship. And the year that you scored more did X, Y, and Z, you lost and you said that's your best season. It's just the opposite.

I knew what you were saying. But the optics appeared into the Boston said, no, no, no. You said the Boston said, no, no, they didn't. They didn't. They didn't. Your teammates mighta, the organization, the front office, that's what, think about it.

Here's a guy that's a finals MVP, an Eastern Conference MVP, just two years ago. In every year, damn near, who names comes up in a trade, discussion when it involved the Celtics. It is, J.B. You know what else, Uncle Joe?

What's that old joke? When it comes to players like that, that where the level of talent is almost equal, where you really can't go wrong depending on who you choose, some people might say Jalen Brown better. Some people might say Jason Tatum is better. But when it comes to the organization, wanted to take someone on and the person that they rather

have long term would be the safer pick. Jason Tatum, he says, safe. There are no issues, no problems. I'm not going to say he's he's, you don't hear from him much. So hold on, hold on. So, so just because J.B. a little outspoken. Yes.

That's a little scary. Hey, Joe, that's a little scary that organization. Yep. Okay. Yeah, I get it. I get it. You hit the devil on the head. Yes. Yes. And I'm glad he brings light to attention to issues that are prevalent, prevalent. I'm glad he's in the

I'm glad he's trying to help the underprivileged, the black underprivileged community. I'm glad for that. But if you think teams like that, you're crazy. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. In Boston at that? Hey, it's one of the top sports cities. And they all about winning, Joe.

They're not about controversy. No. That's a huge, that's a big, that's a huge market. They love their Celtics, boy. No, no, yeah, they love them. they love Bill Russell with all that but what did they do to his house? The greatest winner in sports history

they treated him just. What do they do to his house? You better read his book. Why was that? Broking his house and defecated on his floor. Yeah, Bill Russell, they did that to him. Yes, he wrote it in his book for the longest time he never told anybody.

Y'all would stop playing. You dead ass? But look, we don't, we don't, look, we don't need to really get into the history. And I think the thing is that sometimes Jalen Brown is great as he is, when guys, why you think they didn't like Ali? Oh, yeah. Ali spoke about it. He said, y'all want me to go fight big Kong.

But they ain't never turned no dogs on me. They ain't never put no water holes on me. They ain't never called me the end word. Yeah. Y'all do that here, but you want to send me over there? Hey, well, Ali was a trip, boy. Yes. And that was a tab.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Kareem was in college when he went to the summit in Cleveland in 1967 to speak out against what they was doing to Muhammad Ali. He was there with Jim Brown and all those others. Go look at it. Historically, historically, when guys have been outspoken that looked like us, and try it. No, no, no, no, no.

Mm-hmm. Well, listen, if some teams can use this damn service and I do think the Celtics are going to trade him I'm talking about before the season, for show, for show. And now it's coming up in too many different situations. It's always, Joe, but they help me understand. Why is he upset at the people talking about it? You need to go have that organ to talk with Brad Stevens.

You can't get mad because we cover it. Yeah. It got out some way somehow. I mean, he know it coming from them. We know where it's coming from. The knock is always coming from inside the house, always. But the problem is Stephen A is low-hanging fruit. You're letting the organization that keep putting your name in the trade discussions.

They didn't say they would trade Jason Tatum for John Yonis. They didn't say, they didn't try to engage Minnesota with Jason Tatum. They didn't do that. All these trades, if you go back and study Boston over the last five, six years,

anytime a trade has come available, whose name has been the first and foremost. Yeah, he is. Jaylor Brown. Never Jason Tatum. But I'm just trying to figure, look, I get it.

He has this back and forth with Stephen A, and he felt Stephen A took personal shots and said why he's not marketable and why he's not this and why he didn't make the Olympic team and he said, you got two guys that are on my team that, uh, that, uh,

that I'm, uh, holiday and Derek White and I didn't make the Olympic team. I get, I get all of that. I do. I really do. But I'm just saying, I just think his frustrations is pointing in the wrong direction.

That is just me. I could be wrong. Joe, you might have a different opinion. Ocho, you might have a different opinion. you can't have a different opinion. But you can't get mad that we're talking about something that your organization keep putting you in. Thanks.

Why you, we talked about this. Why are you mad at how hard I hit your quarterback when y'all keep running his ass on quarterback powers and quarterback's needs? If you don't value him, why should I? Yeah. If your organization keep putting you in trade discussions, why are you mad that we're talking about it

and not mad at them for putting your ass? bad it's been for putting your ass in the trade discussion. Right. That's all I'm saying. You got access to get him over there in Atlanta or no? Man, we've been out of great roster over here. Hey, listen, I think

we love to have him over here, Joe. I ain't going to lie to you. That'll put us at the top of the Eastern Conference. I don't know about the top, but I hear you, though. Hey, I know one, I know one thing. Wherever you go, it's going to be motivating. And listen, with all the chirping that happened when Jason Tatum went down and they're saying, well, the Celtics,

they're not going to be in it. And what he was able to do with the Celtics and have it at the number two seed and playing out his mind, same motivation. Whatever drove him to do that, it's probably going to be time. It's going to be time, time that.

Whatever. Hey, hey, listen, wherever he end up at, Uncle Ocho, he's going to win. Hey, man. That boy going to be so determined. You hear me? Determined. He's going to be so determined.

And pissed off. They won't ever say this. But I believe deep down, they didn't think he could be this. Not what I tell him. Nah. They'll never say it, don't you? They'll never say it, probably, we knew this, we knew that. Because if you knew this man would be this good, why the hell you put him in this kind of,

y'all, y'all make a single little man, 35. He still can't be no more than what, 29-ish? Yeah. With that being said, he just gave it 28, 29 points, 6 and 6. 6 and 5. Deep down inside, they didn't believe he could do this.

That's why they unloaded everything. And keep it and keep and keep and keep the ship afloat like that. That's why they traded everything. It was like, hey, ain't, we're not going anywhere. We're not going to do anything. So why should we keep holiday? Why should we keep Brazinger's?

Why should we try? try to resign Al Horford. Hey, uh, JT's going to be gone for at least this year. They probably didn't expect him to come back. He fought extremely hard to bring his ass back. Probably wish he would have said to make sure because in game seven,

what was the game seven when they really needed him, he couldn't give him anything because it was sore. It was tender. Wish he had to stayed out, but he wanted to come back. Hopefully it's, it's healthy now. He's had some time to rest.

He can get back to training and be 1,000% once the season starts. but boss y'all ain't fooling me i know what y'all think of him you tell me every time his name come up in a trade discussion and you moved all the pieces the question is it has been very interesting and there's no way to definitively know if the roles were reversed are they getting off everybody if jason tatum is 100% healthy are they getting off everybody we'll never know never know that's crazy it's just hard to bring man I mean, what all the rumors going on, this damn given that he's going to get traded, but it's just, man, it's so hard to break them two up, bro.

Like, how you get to the mountain top with these two, and because of an injury, you know what I mean? It kind of sets you back to the point you're willing to get rid of J.B., who has been consistent on both ends of the floor. If you don't have him, you don't beat the damn Mavericks, the way he picked up Luke of full court 94 feet and going at him, offensively and defensively the way he was, bro. Like, his value is high.

I bet you're just, boy, look, they're on the phone right now. They're on the phone right now trying to figure it out on, Joe. But the thing is, but here's the thing, Joe. He got a 300. He's due for, I think, this year, you can give him a two-year, a $140 million extension. He got $300. You can add another two years for $142.

You're trying to do that right now, Joe? Now, see, I tell you how you turn your head. That's my note. Oh, Joe, you're trying to do that? Listen. Yeah, I see the way you lick your lips. You say it. Hey, hey, hold on.

Listen, listen, listen, listen. It only take one team. Yeah, but that team you go to. Hey, Joe, that's important now. You're going from Boston. Where you go from there? But listen, listen. You know the value this young man going to bring, bro.

Yeah, he outspoken. But damn, man, when he hit the flow, he's going to be competing playing at the highest level, bro. Are you kidding me about this? Joe, oh, too, before you go, what did, what was reported came out of Milwaukee? Why wouldn't they do a one-for-one deal with draft picks? What did, what did Jimmy Haslam say? We felt maybe in a year he would be unhappy and we'd be right back to square one.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So are you sure, Joe? That means, hey, but that's, that means, yeah, they, they weren't willing to give him no extension. That also means people are leery. Is he going to be happy? Bro, you're an all-star, your all-N-BA selection, you're a finals MVP.

It seems to, what's enough? Because if you listen to him talk, he feels he doesn't get the credit that he deserves. Even though being an all-NBA, being an all-star, being a finals MVP, being an instant conference MVP, he feels

that's not enough. He's like, well, I knew I were going to be first-team all-N-BA. I mean, I mean, you can only have five. Hey, y'all got J.B. Ben, he's going for MVP of the league next year. I don't know. On whatever damn team he on watch, this boy, I'm going to go crazy out here. I'm telling you.

But let me ask you a question, no, Joe. If he feels that they don't like him, how are he going to get voted MVP? His play going to have to have out of this world damn numbers. I'm talking about it on a night-to-night-night. basis. He's going to have to be in the 30s. As far as points, yeah, he's going to have to be getting to it. Ain't no question. Ain't no question about he got to have

undeniable numbers to where when you see him, you're like, oh, yeah. He ain't messing around. He's going to have to, because Shay's going to have 30 plus and win 60 plus game. Yogi's going to have a triple double and win 55 plus games. Yeah. Winby's going to have

outstanding numbers and win the high 50s, low 60 plus games. Yonis is going to have 30. and 10. So, Luca is going to put up 33, 34, 35 points.

Yeah. So unless he plans on putting up 32, putting up 30 plus points, and his team win at least 55 games, how are you going to win MVP, Joe? And I don't have the problem, Joe.

I don't, hey, listen, are he going to do exactly what I'm talking about it. It's going to be a fun season. Yeah, he's going to put up Bobby.

He's going to be trying to, that man going to be trying to put up 35. But I don't know if that will be conducive to winning. Yeah, I get, I get that. I get that. But what I'm saying is he, he has all these accolades now. He's won an NBA title in finals MVP.

Like, I can see him coming into, coming into the season, no matter what team he's on, bro, trying to be the best player in the league. But the problem is, Joe, the team he's going to go to is bad. They may not be bad. Wow. It has to be a team to have the assets to even get him. man i've been i've been seeing them with the rockets i've been seeing them with the spurs i've been seeing them i've seen them i seen them with uh minnesota i'm saying the teams i've been seeing

the way because listen if you're going to send a guy like that off yeah you want something damn good in return so he i don't think he's going to go to none of these rudiput team bro i'm telling you he had all of those he won't praise and adulation because guess what he had, Joe. He had all-star games. He had finals MVP. He had Eastern Conference MVP. And you still couldn't get on the Olympic roster.

Oh, man, you know what that was about. Joe, you're making my point. That's what he wants. Listen. We all know. At the end of the day, Joe, don't you want to be desired? Don't you want to hear your old lady to say, baby, I love you, boy, I shall appreciate you come along and get you, girl.

That's what he wants? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what he wants. He wants, you tell me that, but you don't show me that. You show Jason Tatum that you love him. You show Jason Tatum that you want him. You've never showed me just how much I mean to you like you've shown JT. And that's what he wants.

Hey, J.B, J.B is moving on his own time. Okay, Ocho, you see his shoe deal, he got his own damn shoe. That's why he got left off the damn USA team here. It's all Nike. Now, who are you with? We don't even know who they is. Yeah. That's why he got left out.

So he wants to do his own thing, bro. You know what I mean? And I think these are some of the hoops that he's going to have to jump through. You know what I mean? But I think ultimately it's going to make him a better player, bro. You know, he'll have a story to him. He's a phenomenal player. I mean, he could get better.

I mean, I don't know how. me, he gave you 29, he gave you 29, 6, and 5. I don't know. What you want to give you? I don't know if I, if I look at it in it differently, if he gives me 37 and 7, I ain't looking at him any different. I know what he can do. He's a two-way player.

He can play outstanding. He might be a better all-around player than Jason Tatum. When you consider everything, right. The defensive end and the offensive end. I don't know, man. Tatum got that six-nine frame. Okay, Ocho, 16. He ain't going to lie to the board, the board tall.

Yes. But not only is he tall, see, the difference is, Tatum, he's such a great score. He has a great feel for the game. He's patient. You know what I'm saying? He made guys around them better. J.B. going out getting 30.

He ain't trying to hear all that. You know what I mean? Like, he's going to get right to it. Just keeping it 100. You know what I mean? J.B. going to get right to it. Yeah, I'm going to, yeah, I might find you over there in the corner if you open, you know what I mean? But for the most, I'm from

I'm getting me buckets. Yeah. What, I mean, I'm trying to think where you could send him, and I'm thinking, does Orlando have the pieces? What if you put him and Ben Carrow together? Uh, uh, put Jalen Brown with Ben Carroll? They don't really move to needle for me for Orlando because they guard play. I like, I like black. I know he was hurt,

but they definitely need. They, you know, they guard play is awful. I mean, Suggs, he's a tremendous, he's not enough of an offensive threat to do anything. So down, I'm coming quick to double him. I'm coming quick to double bankero.

And Franz Wagner, being out, he's another big that can stretch the four. He can put the ball on the floor. He can shoot three. Oh, yeah, yeah. I agree. Orlando doesn't have the guard play

that really, that really, like, oh, man, or I think Orlando can do it this year. If they had better guard play, I might be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I just can't with the guard plate that they have. And then you got to think if you add J.B. to any of these teams, okay, Ocho,

hell, who are you taking off? You know, you're going to have to take off a key guy off one of these teams. You know what I mean? I don't know if what they call them have the assets. I don't know if, because they really got the two players that you really want, Wagner and Bankero. And I'm not so sure Orlando is willing to give up any of those guys. They're damn sure ain't giving up Bankero.

No, hell no. Hell no. So I don't know, man. I think it's getting worked out as we speak, though. I think we're going to see this. J.B. in a new uniform. Hopefully, it's a Hawks uniform. Boy, we get him and Jalen Johnson.

Shh. Hey. Oh, you can come on home, huh? Hey, hey, hey, who went to this poll, man? They got, they got, huh? Man, you won. You were in first place. Oh, no, come on, now.

Come on, man. Don't do that. Ocho was in second place. No, no, who won the poll in football? No, Joe. If anything, on that poll, I know I'm third. I can take that. Listen,

I don't know. Y'all can play crazy all y'all want to. But I tell y'all who ain't crazy. Me and chat. Me and chat ain't crazy. Hell, we can see. Oh, you must be being, you and chat, GPT. Because this is a boojohn.

No, me and chat right here. Me and the line. Yeah. Ash, who won? Man, that you. Ocho won. Wait, what you mean? I won.

I won what? The freaking man alive? The freaking man alive? The chat, the chat got a, they got a short memory, man. Yeah. Chad ain't crazy, man. I ain't went 40, what's that, 48%? Yeah, Ocho won at 48%.

Man, Joe only got 11%. Man, man, listen. Oh, now here y'all go. Now y'all pity the food. Now y'all miss the tea. Oh, I pitted. Joe got, I mean, Joe got your food, but it's all. Hey, Joe, like a politician, boy.

He got all the people fooled. Chad, y'all see how they try to jump on me, Tica, because they, man, they everybody knows all that. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I don't even know why y'all be acting how y'all act. Joe, you'll make a great politician, boy, the way you lie, boy. Hey, if you just be cool with people,

we wouldn't even really be talking about it. There's nobody tripping on you being a frigging dude out of the crew, man. You know what it is. It ain't what it is. Joe, you got a fool. give you credit you done a great job of fooling the people joe hey you put in the past we we know i'm big the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convinced the world he didn't exist the greatest trick the devil ever pulled hey use your suspects kair's saying it's that time to

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