Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: UConn goes back-to-back, Caitlin Clark criticism, Ceedee Lamb holdout?

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the climactic end to the NCAA Tournament as the University of Connecticut takes on Zach Edey and the Purdue Boilermakers for the men's national cha...mpionship,  Diana Taurasi drawing heat for her recent comments about University of Iowa superstar Caitlin Clark, and a potential holdout by CeeDee Lamb looming over the Dallas Cowboys offseason. 0:00 Introduction04:30 UConn beats Purdue to win 2nd straight Nat’l Championship20:30 Diana Taurasi gets heat for comments on Caitlin Clark38:00 Dawn Staley’s style and which coaches have the best fashion43:30 Potential holdout could happen with CeeDee Lamb51:20 Only 4 QBs drafted in the top 10 have been all pros since 199057:45 Anthony Richardson says he's “on a mission” after missing most of rookie season after shoulder injury #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:05:44 No, I was not very nice today so no I was not very nice today Ocho my patience is thin because you put me in a bad situation you tell me you're going to be able to do something do it if you can't do something in two weeks don't tell me you can get it done in two weeks don't lie what happened if
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Starting point is 00:06:20 So don't say, well, we didn't order enough. That's your fault. Right. Because when we ask you to put the P.O. in, which is the preorder, you should have factored that in. OK, OK, OK. And don't tell me if we're going to clean, we're going to have this cleaned up, Mr. Sharp, and don't have it cleaned up. Because now that's me.
Starting point is 00:06:38 Because ain't nobody saying anything about the online. They're asking me. This is about me. So don't put me in a bad spot because then i'm gonna put you in a bad spot so let's get right to it ocho yukon the uh the men are back-to-back national champs they be produced 75 60 for the second straight national championship national championship and i remember when dan hurley in 2020 said you better get us now because we're gonna come yeah and he wasn't lying They came on like gangbusters.
Starting point is 00:07:06 UConn became the eighth program to repeat as national champs. The first since the Florida Gators did it in 2006, 2007. And before that, Duke was the last team to do it, 1991, 1992. And the last team to repeat as national champs before the 1991 season, you guessed it, the UCLA Bruins, who won 10 straight. Damn. They went from 64 until 73. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:07:35 That will never be. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let me show you my basketball knowledge. Was their coach Mr. Wooden? Yes. See? You thought I ain't used to that.
Starting point is 00:07:45 See, I'm almost off the game now. Do you know where he went to school at? Who? Coach Wooden. I would assume he went to UCLA as well. No, he went to Indiana. Who he was at? No, he went to Purdue.
Starting point is 00:08:01 He went to Purdue. They used to call him Indiana Rubber Man. And he coached the Sycamores, Indiana State, I think from 46 to Purdue. He went to Purdue. They used to call them Indiana Rubber Man. And he coached the Sycamores, Indiana State, I think from 46 to 48. Okay. Okay. And the UCLA, the Wizard of Westwood. Other programs to repeat. Oklahoma
Starting point is 00:08:16 State did it in 45 and 46. Kentucky did it in 48, 49. San Francisco, the Dons, led by the great Mr. Bill Russell 55-56 and the Cincinnati team Oscar was on that no Oscar was already gone
Starting point is 00:08:32 Oscar was gone Oscar was in the NBA Oscar was in the NBA in 61-62 because that was the year he had a triple double so UConn claimed his sixth national title to break the tie with Duke and Indiana who has five UConn, they've never lost in the title game, have they? I think they're perfect 6-0.
Starting point is 00:08:50 One of the teams, I think they're perfect 6-0 in the title game. So congratulations to the UConn Huskies. I hate you, Molly, and I know you're going to be insufferable tomorrow, as you are most days, especially when it comes to UConn, men or women. uh congratulations and uh we'll discuss the purse Ocho you watched this game
Starting point is 00:09:11 tonight what did you like about what you saw from the Huskies I mean obviously I heard so much about Zach Eady obviously and so I was expecting him to dominate the game that's what I was expecting someone of that size some of that stature i hear i heard about him all season long i heard about how good he was but what i did hear is that his style of play wouldn't transition to the nba so obviously me not understanding that because i don't watch the game of basketball much so i tuned in tonight right so i'm gonna see let's see what he does i'm expecting him to dominate i'm expecting to see ke expecting him to dominate. I'm expecting to see Kevin Durant-ish type stuff. I'm expecting to see Wimbayama.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Did I say his last name right? How do you say it? Wimbayama. That's what I'm expecting to see. So after watching him tonight and then watching UConn somewhat dominate, well not dominate him, but just dominate the game in general, I got a better understanding on
Starting point is 00:10:04 why it probably wouldn't translate because he's very, very slow-footed. He didn't play fast. There was really no- No, that's not what he is. That's what I'm looking for. No urgency. There's no urgency to his game, man.
Starting point is 00:10:17 He plays with it back to the basket. Now I understand the terminology. It won't translate. The Huskies yeah but them boys nice man them boys nice Tristan is it Tristan Tristan Tristan Newton yep Tristan he gotta see me one-on-one he gotta he gotta see me one-on-one I mean I mean you can't expect any more from Zach Eady. He gave you 37 and 10, but they only had two guys in double figures. They had a guy with 12, and then you have a four-point guy,
Starting point is 00:10:49 a five-point guy, and a two-point guy. That's not going to get it done. When you got UConn, you got 11 points, 15 points, 20 points, and 11 points. They got 13 points off the bench, and Purdue got two points off the bench. You got a few people in double-digit scores for the Huskies. So, and I mean no disrespect, the Purdue team is similar to what, is Edie having to score all the points, is it similar or fair to say Edie is similar to, like, Kaitlin Clark having to do everything and everything on their shoulders?
Starting point is 00:11:22 Okay. But the difference is, you have to get him the ball. Kaitlyn Clark has the ball in her hands. So she's able to score. Not only can she score, she can create for other people to score. But it's very similar. Nobody outside of him,
Starting point is 00:11:38 they normally make, in the tournament, they're averaging about eight threes made per game. They made one tonight, if I'm not mistaken. Last time they made one three. What were they? They had ten last game.
Starting point is 00:11:52 They had ten last game, if I'm not mistaken. Something like that. And they had a bad night shooting. A real bad night shooting. And that's what you needed. Go ahead. I have one question. You would know better than me as far as the development of a basketball player and a person's skill set.
Starting point is 00:12:08 Is it too late? Speaking of easy, is it too late to develop a skill set where it can transition into the NBA? Or is it too late to learn a new bag of tools that would help him play at the next level? It's too late, huh? Will an elephant ever be able to run like a cheetah? No. No no hell no wimby yama you look at wimby you say well look at wimby he can put the ball on the floor but he's been putting the ball on the floor he's been shooting three since he was seven eight years old so you see the maturation zach eat is never played like that so you're asking the guy to redo his game now now we saw brooke lopez
Starting point is 00:12:45 brooke lopez came out of college with as a back to the basket player right but he saw where the evolution of the game was going right and he turned himself into a stretch five so can it be done sure is it highly likely no look there are shooting coaches out here that could probably work with him. But I give him a 10, 15% chance. Because it's all, it's a mindset. Yeah. Yeah. Because you have to understand, Ocho, that's what he is.
Starting point is 00:13:17 I mean, you see, I mean, he doesn't, I mean, he doesn't, I mean, Brock Lopez could drop step, left hand, drop step, right hand. He could turn around, shoot the jumper. He's back to his back, basically. And as Klingon kept pushing him further and further against the basket, the jump hook kept coming up shorter and shorter. So he's going to have to evolve his game. He's going to have to work on other aspects of his game.
Starting point is 00:13:40 He's going to be able to have to turn over either shoulder, right shoulder, left shoulder, left hand, right hand, drop step to the right, or drop left. He's going to have to be able to do that, but right now, he's gotten away because he's so much bigger. You remember when you were the kid, and the kid that was so much bigger, they were able to do things?
Starting point is 00:13:57 Right, right, right. Just because of their size? Well, in the NBA, because the game is played in so much space, it's an up andand-down game. And he's not that good of a defender, so he's not a Rudy Gobert that's going to impact you on the defensive end. So he has some work cut out for him if he wants to transition. What do you mean?
Starting point is 00:14:19 To the NBA. I don't mean nothing. Because you're talking about Paul, though. You're talking about transition. Transition to the NBA right what do you mean he's not that good of a
Starting point is 00:14:26 good of a defender you're 7 7 what 7'4 7'5 7'4 7'4 do you see the guys
Starting point is 00:14:32 letting the ball fall in his face yeah he need a little bit more just a little bit a little bit more aggression that's it a little bit more
Starting point is 00:14:39 he need a little bit of um ah what's his name god damn keep getting in trouble why is slipping my mind man who draymond he need a little draymond in him that's what he need he need a little bit a little bit of that who draymond is huh that's who draymond is yeah i'm just saying because i'm i'm thinking about his the size he has how can i'm not saying it's a... I'm not saying it's a waste. I'm not saying he's a waste. But
Starting point is 00:15:05 knowing that you want to get to the next level, you should have been working on your game so it's able to transition to the next level. And the fact that now you're done, and I keep hearing, you know, a birdie here, a birdie there, to have that kind of size and not be going to the NBA or being
Starting point is 00:15:22 a lottery pick, shit. I'm sorry. Something ain me right. You have to think about it. He was, it takes a special type of person. He was college, he was AP College Player of the Year. So he's a two-time AP College Player of the Year. Jerry Lucas, I think Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
Starting point is 00:15:43 Bill Walton, Ralph Sampson, seven-foot-four Ralph Sampson who played out in Virginia. He was a three-time AP. So you're talking about very, very elite company that Zach Eady's in. Now, that'll be like telling Patrick Mahomes, you know what, Patrick Mahomes? Yeah, we know you won Super Bowl. We've been MVP. But all of a sudden, we want you to be like a read option type quarterback.
Starting point is 00:16:08 How willing do you think he's going to be able to do when he's had success doing it his way? But listen to what you already said. Patrick Mahomes is already in the NFL. He's already had success in the NFL. We want Edie. Well, me personally, after seeing him tonight, seeing his size, seeing how much he didn't dominate.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Ocho, the man had 37 and 10. Ocho, you realize they only scored 60 points. Right. He had 37 of them. You know what I mean. I'm talking about like dominate. Dominate to the point to where I got to put up 60 if my team wants a chance to even win.
Starting point is 00:16:47 I'm going to need from that extent. I'm trying to think the last guy that I've ever heard of that scored 60 points in a college game was Jody Meeks. When was the last time somebody scored 60 points in an NCAA Division I game? Jody Meeks? Yeah, from Kentucky. I think he broke Dan Ilse's record at Kentucky. He dropped 60 in a game. Yeah, Meeks? Yeah, from Kentucky. I think he broke Dan Ilse's record
Starting point is 00:17:05 at Kentucky. He dropped 60 in a game. Yeah, I don't see it. I'm watching the game and the people around me kept talking about, oh, he's doing all this, but he's not going to make it to the NBA. There's no way he makes it. His game, his game style isn't going to transition. I'm like, man, what are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:17:22 At that size, there's a team, there's an NBA team that can use that length, that can use that height. I mean, and then you just said he's not a good defender. Well, goddamn, what's the good part? What's the good part about a game that will transition in the NBA? Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about there. Eddie Howes dropped 61 in 2000.
Starting point is 00:17:47 When did Jody Meeks do it? Wait, Eddie House? You talking about Boston Celtics, Eddie House? Yeah. Hey. So that's 2000. We're in 24. So let that sink in.
Starting point is 00:17:59 Okay, okay. So that's not a normal occurrence to see a guy get that number of points. Yeah. He averaged 28 and 15 in the tournament, so he probably averaged, what, 29 and 14 because he only had 10 rebounds tonight. So he dominated. I mean, if somebody told, okay, in the NBA,
Starting point is 00:18:20 he's going to give you 10 and 29 or 12 on a nightly basis, they would actually gobble him up. Right. But if you look at Giannis. I'm using the wrong word. I shouldn't use the word dominate, but okay, okay, you're right. What's the record for Kentucky? I thought he scored 60.
Starting point is 00:18:40 He scored 54. So Eddie House was the last guy D1. I'm thinking like, you know, Kentucky, Duke, Carolina, teams like that. She said somebody from North Dakota State and Utah Valley scored. But I think the thing of Ocho is that, look, he's a big guy,
Starting point is 00:19:02 and he's going to have to go, he's going to have to get with someone that would really work on with his feet. Because you look at Joel Embiid, you see how big he is, but Joel Embiid played soccer. Look at Akeem Olajuwon. Akeem Olajuwon played soccer. Anthony Davis was a guard, hit a growth spurt. David Robinson was short, grew 13, grew a foot.
Starting point is 00:19:24 So you talk about guys that were used to handling the ball, had footwork. They weren't always as big as they are. And so when you're that, see, here's the thing, Ocho. When you're that tall, hey, just get down to the paint, son. We're going to dump you the ball. Just turn around and lay it in. See, everybody's kicking the ball down the road.
Starting point is 00:19:41 Remember what we talked about? We had the Tebow topic. So if someone working with it with fundamentals, well, when you get to college, they'll work with you. College said, well, hey, we try to win games. When you get to the NFL, they'll work with you. Now you get to the NFL and you have an unfinished product
Starting point is 00:19:56 that people want to... Hey, you got to be able to do this. This is elementary. This is one-on-one. Okay, I got you. You're basically going to have to strip Zach Eady down and change his whole game. Because now he's going to have to play on the perimeter.
Starting point is 00:20:16 He's going to have to be able to shoot threes. Unless he's like, okay, I'm going to be a defender. I'm going to be Rudy Gobert. Yeah. Well, hell, if I'm not mistaken, Giannis, when Giannis first came to the league, he didn't really have a mid-range game. He wasn't able to shoot from three. Now.
Starting point is 00:20:35 He's okay from three. He's okay from mid-range. But you see what he does? Yeah. Downhill. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:42 He coming down here every time. Yes. You see Zach Eady doing that? You already told me he was slow afoot. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, he coming downhill every time. Yes. You see Zach Eady doing that? You already told me he was slow afoot. Yeah, I mean, watching him tonight, he moved very lethargic. I'm like, come on, man. If he was like Shaq. Come on.
Starting point is 00:20:56 Shaq. You see how nimble Shaq was? Man, Shaq. Boy, you remember Shaq, the little clip of him and Jordan? Him and Jordan playing around? Yeah, the All-star game yeah and to be that side to be able to move like that right right
Starting point is 00:21:09 and so yeah I just think the thing is yeah look will somebody probably draft him I don't think he's a first round pick will somebody take a fly on him in the second round sure probably non-guaranteed contract get him in try to work him down and maybe you can make something out of him hell ain't nothing look at uh nicola yokich was a second round pick
Starting point is 00:21:28 he's about to be a three-time mvp in five years i wonder how does he even slip that far especially yokich he got himself in shape huh he was a little he was a little doy he wasn't in the greatest of shape he got himself He's still not in shape. Oh, he's in shape now. No, you ought to see him when he first got to the league. He's in shape now. He was a big boy? He was big? Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. He changed his diet. He ain't drinking a case of
Starting point is 00:21:56 sodas a day. He ain't eating bull jive. But you see, as skilled as any big we've had around the basket. Touch, he can shoot to three, he can shoot to mid-range, he can left, right, tremendous touch. He's very efficient. Yeah. Very efficient.
Starting point is 00:22:12 Congratulations to the UConn Huskies. UConn moves into a tie for third with six titles with North Carolina. Only UCLA with 11 and Kentucky with eight have more titles. So congratulations to Coach Dan Hurley and his Yukon Huskies on winning back-to-back national championship.
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Starting point is 00:26:07 and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho, it's time for our next segment, and it's called News Cat. Let me grab my ashtray. Go ahead. Diana Taurasi draws heat for a recent Caitlin Clark comment.
Starting point is 00:26:44 DT, Diana Taurasi, told Scott Van Pelt, look, SBP, reality is coming. There's level to this thing, and that's just life. We all went through it. You see it on the NBA side. You're going to see it on this side. You look superhuman playing against 18-year-olds, but you're going to play against some grown women that have been playing professional basketball for a long time.
Starting point is 00:27:06 The response to her comments was swift and many call it a hater. What I don't understand. Oh, Joe fans. We want people that have played the game to comment about people play the game. Yeah. And the minute they comment a minute,
Starting point is 00:27:22 people that played the game or that's playing the game comment and they say something about a player that you don't like, now it's hating. Now, look, there are some instances in which I do believe old timers are hating. Right. But I don't believe that's what she's doing. You and I have talked about it. When a rookie comes in, you've won an award. You would highly sought after. We got to see why.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Yeah. We ain't hating on you, but we don't see why. Right. I think, you know what, for me, I respect Diana. I'm going to call her DT. I respect DT and what she had to say. I just don't, I can't watch what Kaden Clark has done. Forget the accolades.
Starting point is 00:28:08 I can't see what Clayton Clark has done. Kayden Clark has done on the field, on the field, on the court, week in and week out for the past two years and even utter some of the comments that Mr. Rossi said. Because obviously there's going to be a
Starting point is 00:28:23 transition period going into the NBA. Going into the WNBA I understand that I understand that but saying that maybe it might you know her skill might not transition or just that's not what she said I mean hold on read this guard read what she said wasn't saying Clark's it wouldn't succeed at the professional level, but rather suggested the future rookie could struggle making the transition. Why? Why does she have to struggle?
Starting point is 00:28:55 Why does she have to struggle? Because all rookies go through it. You think, so you don't think she might come in and be okay based on the situation, based on the team she goes to? She's going to Indiana, if I'm not mistaken, right? She's going to Indiana. Aaliyah Boston was the number one pick last year.
Starting point is 00:29:11 She's going to be playing with more talent. But what did South Carolina do? Kept her from going left. Right. So now, if that's a college, so what do you think the pros are going to do? You think, who has better scouting departments? Colleges or pros? Obviously the pros. Obviously the pros gonna do you think who has better scouting departments colleges pros obviously pros obviously pros but again you have to understand the clayton clark that we just saw
Starting point is 00:29:28 and the kate and clark that you're gonna see where they're going to help her with some of the things that she struggled with in college things are going to be a little different i'm i'm just saying i to watch what she did in college i would have been very hesitant to make these type of comments but again this is someone that played the game this is someone that's very experienced this is someone that was very good at the game so she has the right to do it I just for someone that played
Starting point is 00:29:53 that god damn well and made that kind of impact I just would say 18 year old or grown women that had kids and playing for mortgages is there a difference between college and pro in the NFL? Yes or no?
Starting point is 00:30:06 Is there a difference between college and NFL? Oh, hell yeah. You know that. Okay, then. You know that. Hey, listen. What did Jamar Chase do
Starting point is 00:30:14 when he was in college? And what did he do in the NFL his first year? Look at Justin Jeffries. What did Justin Jeffries do? Hey, did you see the preseason game? How many...
Starting point is 00:30:23 Jamar Chase dropped 10 passes in his first three preseason games, didn't he? So there was an adjustment period. Yes, you remember that? Yeah, you remember it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. There was an adjustment period. I gotta get my head around quicker. I gotta
Starting point is 00:30:39 get in and out of breaks. I gotta locate the ball quicker. It happens, Ocho. Yeah. If players that play the game, if we can't critique players that's coming into the game, who can? I mean, you're right.
Starting point is 00:30:56 That's a tough critique right there, boy. That's a tough, that's a very, very tough critique. You don't think there's levels? Even in the NFL, there's levels to NFL. You know't think there's levels? You don't think there's levels? Even in the NFL, there's levels in the NFL. You know I know it's levels, but I'm just saying,
Starting point is 00:31:09 I'm giving you small examples of players that came from college in the transition when it was time, when the bullets was flying for real, they showed up and they showed out. And I just see,
Starting point is 00:31:18 I see Kaitlyn Clark as one of those ones that's going to transition just fine based on her skill set and what she's able to do, especially being able to shoot the ball and create her own shot off the dribble. I do think she'll have some success because she led the nation in scoring, led the nation in
Starting point is 00:31:33 assists. And I remember having a conversation about Trey Young, and I said, Trey Young will be able to transition even though he's small. He might not score, but he'll get you 15 assists in a night. And so maybe we can't look at Kaitlyn Clark and say, well, if she doesn't score 30, she's not having success. Hers might be, it might be 15 and 10. It might be 14 and 8. And that's the,
Starting point is 00:31:57 but I believe she'll be able to transition. Now, you go, she ain't finna go score 30, and she ain't finna drop 32 and 8 like she did a senior in college. That ain't happening. Well, the fact that she has a better supporting cast around her, she won't have to do that and she will be able to facilitate
Starting point is 00:32:13 like she does, like she did at Iowa. She'll be able to facilitate with a better supporting cast. So when I think about it, I think, to me, if I got better players around me, then all I have to do is just be efficient, facilitate, and take the shots
Starting point is 00:32:28 when they're there. That's it. It sounds easy with me sitting here saying it, but it's different when it's game time. Listen, I'm excited to see her. I'm excited to see Sister Angel Reese as well.
Starting point is 00:32:46 Miss Buckers, Miss Page is coming out too. She's coming back. Oh, she's coming back? Yeah. Well, shit, they going to repeat again. Carolina, Carolina just losing Cardoso. I mean, Carolina, you're right, you're right. Miss Page got knocked out.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Damn. Hey, I'm excited. I done started watching basketball now. Now I got the itch. I'm finna really get into it so I can really understand the game. And here's the thing, Ocho. If I know you can shoot, I ain't finna let you get no open shots. I'm fighting over those screens.
Starting point is 00:33:19 You see what South Carolina did? South Carolina said, we're not going to be lazy. We're not going under any screens. Trying to go up. Trying to go up go I'm going to we fighting over the top right and I'm going to push you to your right because I know you want to go left left and what you normally
Starting point is 00:33:32 do when you go right you're looking to go all the way to the basket so if I know that and I'm just watching her casually what do you think the scouting department is doing so I do I think she's going to be able to succeed in the NBA sure right sure because I think she's a phenomenal talent but I think she's going to be able to succeed in the nba sure right sure because i think she's a phenomenal talent but i think there's going to be a learning curve
Starting point is 00:33:49 and i think all all players go through it right um jordan had jordan didn't have that mid-range game i mean he was just flying through the air yeah he developed that okay okay okay okay yeah colby developed that shot in order to expand and open up his game. LeBron developed the three ball because he knew there was going to be a time that he wasn't going to be able to jump over everybody. And he can
Starting point is 00:34:15 still get downhill occasionally. He can't get downhill with the same velocity drive after drive after drive like he once could. So he developed that three ball. He also, with Hakeem Olajuwon, worked on his footwork. He turned that turnaround.
Starting point is 00:34:30 So you just have to keep expanding your game. And that's what the greats can do. And I believe she is a great, she was a great college player. And I think she'll put the time in to work on her game, to expand it. Because they know what she likes to do right now. Hey, they know, man, look here,
Starting point is 00:34:48 man, Ocho just want to run these speed aisles. He gonna hit them seven steps and he gonna fall off the table. So now Ocho got, okay, I gotta go, I gotta dig into my bag. I gotta set him up. Okay, that's what you think I'm gonna run down, but you think I'm gonna fall off the table and run that out?
Starting point is 00:35:04 Now I'm gonna hit you with this bang A with the same steps when you go when I do this right here that nod you go to that out you drive the out I'm coming back the other way listen the more to it especially when you think about a player like that who's had
Starting point is 00:35:19 so much pressure had so many guys watching her you already know she has the want to, and the will with all to want to improve the game. So I'm sure she's going to add some more tools to her box because the more tools that she has to a toolbox, the absolute truth, the more she will be able to do.
Starting point is 00:35:35 And the more impacts you'll be able to have. Right. And I think the thing is, because she'll be playing with better talent. She won't have the workload that she had in college. And I said Carolina wore down because think about it. They didn't have anybody else that was going to be able to take you off the dribble. Everybody else, everything was contingent on her.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Kaitlyn, you got to score. Kaitlyn, you got to set me up. So we got to run picks and we got to try to backdoor somebody. I got to try to get the ball to Kaitlyn backdoor somebody i got to try to get the ball to caitlin she's got to look ahead get the ball up and so you see they started wearing her down because raven johnson just she just got so tired raven johnson just started picking her pockets yeah in broad daylight police everybody watching gone laying the ball up because she got tired that's a heavy workload and you you see Zach Eady.
Starting point is 00:36:25 He wore down too. The man that played, he had been out of from the lead eight, he had missed only eight seconds. That's a lot to ask a man that size to get up and down the court continuously. And you see he started, you know, leaving
Starting point is 00:36:41 shots short. But shots, yeah. But I do think Kaitlin Clark, and I don't think Diana Taurasi was hating on her. Do y'all realize that Diana Taurasi is a three-time champ in college? Yeah. A player of the year. A most outstanding player. She's a three-time WNBA.
Starting point is 00:36:59 She's a WNBA all-time lead scorer. And if I'm not mistaken, does she have five gold medals? Does she have five or four? I think her and Sue Bird got like four or five. Two thousand four, eight, twelve, sixteen. She got four. I think she got four. Four or five.
Starting point is 00:37:19 She got a bunch. She got five gold medals. So you're telling me somebody that has five gold medals, she's a three-time champ in college, a most outstanding player. She's a player of the year. She has three championships in the WNBA. She's a finals MVP. She's a
Starting point is 00:37:35 WNBA MVP, and she's the all-time leading scorer. And she's jealous of what? Many could say, I mean, she's on the very short list when they say GOATs of women's college basketball. Her, Cheryl Miller, Stewie, Candice Parker, Maya Moore. She's on a very, very short list.
Starting point is 00:38:00 Yeah. I mean, it's tough. It's tough. It is tough. Just normally, especially one with the accolades that she has. I would have me personally, I would have taken a different approach and up and uplifting, you know, that young lady before she even came to the WNBA. But but to each his own. It's OK to critique because you have the resume to do so. So I understand it. Some people will look at it as hating. I mean, I don't see
Starting point is 00:38:26 it as hating. It's the same, Ocho. It's the same thing. When people say I don't believe Tim Tebow's game is going to translate to the NFL. People say they were hating. I'm looking at the way he throws, his mechanics, so...
Starting point is 00:38:41 You mean, man. No, but I'm just saying, Ocho, you can't, listen, you can't run power and you can't run traps with your quarterbacks all game long. At some point in time, I'm going to force you to throw the ball in order to beat me. Yeah. You can't hide them all game.
Starting point is 00:39:01 No. It's the one position. It's the one position you can't hide. See, I can hide corners. I can play cover too, give him help over the top. If I got a weak offensive lineman, I can slide protection or I can put the back in the gap to chip. How do you hide your quarterback?
Starting point is 00:39:18 You can't. He going to get exposed at some point, especially if he can't throw. Yeah, and think about it. Many people say Tim Tebow's on the short list. He might be one of the greatest college quarterbacks to ever play the game. Some people say he's the greatest. Some people say there's an argument
Starting point is 00:39:36 to be had. But in the NFL, his game didn't translate because he had that elongated throwing motion for such a long time and see you'll always revert back to what you feel comfortable doing right so when he was out there with just he's out there with tom house and he's in shorts and t-shirt he's letting it rip but when he got in a stressful situation what would he do? Go back to the wind-up. Yeah. See?
Starting point is 00:40:06 Yeah. And that's the thing. And so it's not hate. I'm just off. And people are like, well, you hating on Lamar. I'm like, bro, I came in as a seventh-round draft pick. I left with a gold jacket. I'm happy. I want to see
Starting point is 00:40:22 him win. Right. Because I think he has an opportunity with a championship. Now we have to start talking to the man. We got to start putting him up in that top 10. Ain't a whole lot of quarterbacks that got multiple MVPs regular season and a Super Bowl. Yeah. That's why we put Mahomes up so quick.
Starting point is 00:40:38 That's why he wrote like, bro, you do realize dude 27, we got two Super Bowl, two Super Bowl MVPs, and two 5,000-yard passing seasons. Yeah. Well, we got to zoom him past a lot of guys. Now he got the third. Now you can make a case. You can say, you know what, man? It's him and Joe, well, who you put in second place.
Starting point is 00:40:58 Some people might say Joe because Joe has four Super Bowls, four Super Bowl and three MVPs. Mahomes has three Super Bowls MVPs. I think Joe has three regular season MVPs or two. I think he had I think Joe had two. I think Brett got three. Rodgers got four.
Starting point is 00:41:18 And Peyton got five. Does Joe have three? Two. Yeah, so you... He got three Super Bowl MVPs but two regular season. So you can make a case right now, Patrick Mahomes at 28 years of age
Starting point is 00:41:35 is the second greatest quarterback to ever play. Now, who would you put one? Who would you say is one? Brady. Brady, of course. Yes? I'm just making a show.
Starting point is 00:41:43 I'm just making a show. Sometimes, sometimes people nah nah nah I ain't that foolish come on now and so that's the thing Ocho you look at a guy and you say okay well how well does this game translate is he going to be able
Starting point is 00:41:58 to make the necessary adjustments to be able to pull himself up out of that I like that so look at how look at what tebow looked like in college and you had a great understanding that it might not be able to transition in the nfl because of the elongated throwing motion but when you look at caitlyn clark what do you look at in her game that says okay you know what maybe it's not maybe it's not going to translate when she gets to the next level. I don't think she was saying her game isn't going to translate.
Starting point is 00:42:27 I think DT was saying it's going to take some time for her to get her footing and to have a level of success that we think that the fans think that she should enjoy. Right away? Yeah. Ain't nobody thinking she's coming to the WNBA at average 30. Because you look at Diana Taurasi, she has 14 total all, she has 10 first team all WNBA selections,
Starting point is 00:42:51 four second teams, and an MVP in 16 seasons. She was a real deal, boy. Yeah, I think she okay. She was a real deal. She was a real deal. So if anybody wants to say anything about Ms. Clark or anybody else, she's very qualified to do so.
Starting point is 00:43:09 She's very, excuse me, she's very, very qualified. DT has one MVP. Lisa Leslie has three. Candace Parker has two. Lauren Jackson, the greats. I think Seattle Rain, what's their, The Australian, she had three MVPs. Um, so.
Starting point is 00:43:30 Kalen Clark goes, she had four dogs. Simply. You could have four regular season MVPs. Wow. Hmm. Yeah. She was the first.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, cool. Cool. Bad. And it wasn't the first four in WNBA.
Starting point is 00:43:47 But they were loaded. They had Hurd, Sheryl Swoop, Tina Thompson. They were loaded. Yeah. Yeah, they were loaded. So, go ahead. What'd you say, Ash? Finals MVP.
Starting point is 00:44:04 I don't think you yeah alright Ocho Don they call her Louis Vuitton Don is the most stylish basketball coach we've ever seen Staley is one of the greatest college basketball coaches of all time
Starting point is 00:44:19 she just coached the Lady Gamecocks to a national championship her third since arriving. She took over the head coaching duties in 2008. And the win means the Lady Gamecocks ended the season perfect and became only the 10th team in Division I history to end with a perfect season. Is that men and women?
Starting point is 00:44:42 Because I thought UCLA had a couple of them. I know Indiana was the last one in 76. I think it's women. I think it's just women. So I'm not mistaken. I think, I think what you call it was the first team to go undefeated, Texas in 86. Great Clarissa Davis team.
Starting point is 00:44:57 But you know, UConn has had like four of them. Tennessee's had a few. I think Kim Mulkey's, Baylor Bears, they went 40-0 one year. Yeah, just women. Yeah. Yeah, because UCLA went like 88-1. 88-1?
Starting point is 00:45:19 I think Kareem lost two. Did Kareem lose one or two games in college? I think because the Elvin Hayes, them beat them at the Astrodome one year when Kareem lost two. Did Kareem lose one or two games in college? I think because the Elvin Hayes didn't beat him at the Astrodome one year when Kareem had a toothache and then they waxed him in the national championship. Kareem went 88-2
Starting point is 00:45:35 in his three years in college. Woo! Dang! That's why people, I mean, he lost one, I think he lost one game in college. I mean, high school at Power in New York. He lost two games in college. I mean, high school at Power in New York.
Starting point is 00:45:45 He lost two games in college. And then you know what he did in the NBA. So for the South Carolina Sweet 16 matchup against Indiana, she donned a $3,150 blue LB jacket colored with Pharrell camouflage print ahead of our squad's final four game against NC State. Louis Vuitton, Dom Kane, Correggia, the trench coat, LV23,
Starting point is 00:46:11 Yoshi Kusama. You know what I'm saying? You don't know about Kusama. Yeah, you're right. I don't know about it because I don't know. I don't wear anything over $1,000. You know what's going to happen? If it hasn't happened already, if it hasn't happened already, I mean, coaches don't get NIL deals, but maybe she can be the first coach sponsored by Louis Vuitton and wear it and have it given to her each game.
Starting point is 00:46:35 Now, what we might not know is they might already be giving it to her and she's really not paying. And she might be, you know, a muse for Louis Vuitton as the first head coach on the sideline donning Louis Vuitton. Yeah. Staley coached the Lady Game cards to the victory in a cropped monogram denim jacket, a logo tee,
Starting point is 00:46:58 and a pair of brand monogram denim tie-and-mouse sneakers. LV, hook us up. Nah. Hook LV. hook us up. LV, hook up on Dickies. If y'all watching, Dickies, holla at me, man. Is she the most stylish coach of all time?
Starting point is 00:47:18 Of all time? I think she's up there. What about Pat Riley? Listen, Pat Riley, Mr. Patino. Is it Patino? Rick Patino, yeah. Rick Patino looks like he's supposed to be in Goodfellas. He's also one of them.
Starting point is 00:47:34 Miss Mokey. Miss Mokey is very essential. Man, stop it. You don't like her fashion? Her expression of fashion? That's art. You like all them colors? You like Crayola? You talk about, I'm from Miami. expression, that's art. You like all them colors? You like Crayola.
Starting point is 00:47:46 You talk about, I'm from Miami. Yeah, you're right. You know how we dress. Yeah, y'all like them bright-ass colors. We love them bright, especially when you're
Starting point is 00:47:54 dog-skin and you got on that neon and that pink and pastel colors. In the summer, that linen, the linen, the green,
Starting point is 00:48:02 the pink linen. Oh, man, yeah. Yeah. Like, it's different. It's different because, you know, the green, the pink linen. Oh, man, yeah. Yeah. Like, it's different. It's different because, you know, fashion is expression through your eye on how you see it. So, I mean, I like it.
Starting point is 00:48:11 It's different. Yeah. As opposed to everybody else's society. You see one shirt, you walk out somewhere and 50 other people got that motherfucker on. Yeah, God. What is wrong with me?
Starting point is 00:48:22 Three times already. 50 other people have the exact same shirt on. I apologize. Man, I'm sorry. Now I see why Don don't be getting upset. Don said, I ain't finna sweat my LV. Y'all must be out your mind. Y'all better figure that out.
Starting point is 00:48:37 Are you talking about not calling no time out? Hell, no. You don't be up there yelling and screaming with sweat, taking a jacket off. Man, Don said, man, I ain't finna mess up this. Man, this outfit cost me five, man. Y'all better, girl, y'all better figure that out. She gave them girls that look.
Starting point is 00:48:52 Yeah. Ain't calling no time out, man. Y'all, all right now. Man, Don be here. That thing, Don, was hype yesterday. It was so good to see. Because I think she knows she squandered a great opportunity last year. Had a team that was undefeated until they faced UConn. But she didn't have the shooters last year that she had this year.
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Starting point is 00:52:34 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho, the Cowboys might be beheading for a potential holdout by CeeDee Lamb. The Cowboys will start their spring workouts April 15th and bar the contract extension. Excuse me. CeeDee Lamb won't take the field. The Dallas Cowboys are staring down the barrel of three potential market-setting extensions. Michael Parsons, CeeDee Lamb, Dak Prescott. Beyond pinch and pennies.
Starting point is 00:53:12 Now, remember, remember, Jerry said he going all in. And what he meant by all in was all in on the guys that he ain't got. Right. First, he was going all in. Then he was like, nah, nah. Steven said, you know, clarify. We go all in on our got. Right. First, he was going all in. Nah, nah. Steven said, you know, clarify. We go all in on our guys. Okay. So, Dak Prescott has
Starting point is 00:53:30 grown accustomed to the football field without C.D. Lamb on it. Of his 590 passes he threw last season, 590, 94 except, almost 95% came with C.D. running the route. They connected 133 times in 2023,
Starting point is 00:53:46 fourth most completion between a duo in NFL history. So you look at the numbers, right? You look at the chemistry between Dak Prescott and CD Lamb. You understand how vital and important CD Lamb is to the offense, especially for Dak Prescott. So as the owner, as Jerry Jones, as Stephan Jones, you understand you want to work the numbers. You want to do right by CD by any means.
Starting point is 00:54:10 But what I don't understand is you knew at some point it was going to come to this. And I never understood, even with the offseason program coming up, you want your players at your offseason program. You want your players happy at your off season program. Obviously missing time, CD, he knows routine, he knows the offense, but still you just want to get those extra reps with your quarterback, with your
Starting point is 00:54:38 offense, the camaraderie, the chemistry between everybody and have everybody showing up to the off season program. But again, here we are. Now we got a stalemate. We got a stalemate. Every time it's time for somebody to get paid, especially the skill position, especially the skill position,
Starting point is 00:54:55 we got to fight tooth and nail. We got to crawl. We got to come in late. We got to act like we can't show up. Remember Emmitt had to hold out. Remember Emmitt missed the first, that was way, I mean, I don't know if you remember, but Emmitt missed the first two show up. Remember Emmitt had to hold out. Remember Emmitt missed the first, that was way, I mean, I don't know if you remember, but Emmitt missed the first two games.
Starting point is 00:55:08 Ezekiel Elliott had to hold out. Ezekiel was, where was Ezekiel at? Ezekiel was somewhere. Cabo. Yeah, Ezekiel and Cabo chilling. Why? Why? I'm not sure why. I think I, for some reason, I think owners do it on purpose. I think they do it on purpose. Ocho, it's a blessing and a curse
Starting point is 00:55:24 because that was because the Cowboys do do a very good job of drafting. But when you draft good players and they perform, you have to pay them or you're going to lose them. You drafted Michael Parsons. He's been what you expected when you drafted. And some.
Starting point is 00:55:40 So guess what? He's going to command the premium. C.D. Lamb has shown himself to be a top receiver. You're going to have to pay him. Now, Trayvon Diggs did you a solid? He went to the table. He negotiated a deal that he felt was fair with him. He got the money and he's like, look, see what happened. And I got my money. Boom. I got this knee injury. They were going to pay me what they paid me. You know, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:56:04 I get it. No problem. Right. But paid me. You know, blah, blah. I get it. Got no problem with it. But, CD's like, nah, bro. Y'all need to break bread. I ain't going to year five. Y'all need to go and do right by me. That ain't going to happen.
Starting point is 00:56:15 You know what? They're going to do it. They're going to do it. They're going to pay him, but it's going to be at the last minute, probably right before training camp, getting ready to start, an hour before training camp starts,
Starting point is 00:56:24 then they're going to go across the ticker, CD Lamb, and just got paid. I think they do it on, for some reason, I think they do it on purpose. I mean, as an owner, the numbers are the numbers. It's easy to say, I'm going to show up. Just get everybody in there.
Starting point is 00:56:40 It's easy to say, I'm going to show up an hour before practice. You want to wait an hour before training camp, but I'm to show up an hour before practice. You want to wait an hour before training camp, but I'm going to wait an hour before practice. Man, I don't know why they do it. And they do it consistently. Not just the Cowboys. Every good receiver has to wait.
Starting point is 00:56:59 They have to wait. I don't know why they do it. Yeah. Because the thing, look, pay the man. I mean, look, really, quarterback is really the only position that you get paid on potential. Because why else would you give Daniel Jones $40 million? Well, obviously, you don't have a choice.
Starting point is 00:57:18 This is another thing. This is very important. Timing in the NFL, depending on the player, is everything. The timing for Daniel Jones was perfect. There was no other option. So you really had no choice. You didn't have to do anything. You had a fifth-year option you could have picked up. You didn't have to do anything. You see? See, they
Starting point is 00:57:34 didn't even got you convinced they had to do something. It's the same thing with the Broncos. The Broncos didn't have to decide to give Russ an extension. He had two years still left on his deal. So what you mean they didn't have to do, decide to give Russ an extension. He has two years still left on his deal. Right. So what you mean they didn't have no choice?
Starting point is 00:57:50 They wanted to take care of Russ and understanding what he had done in the past and hoping that it can continue in the future with them. Why don't they do that for other positions? Well, listen, that quarterback position... You don't know what CD going to do? You know what that tells you? That tells you how important
Starting point is 00:58:04 the quarterback position is. Oh, we know that. That's why they take care of them. And hopes that, okay, we're paying you this. It hopes we want you happy. We want you happy and we want you at your best. And let's hope with us paying you, you're able to fulfill what we think you can do.
Starting point is 00:58:22 Yeah, but here's the thing though, Ocho. If you look at it, I lost my train of thought what I wanted to say. But if you look at the players and you base it on, so what are we doing? Are you paying him
Starting point is 00:58:38 for what you believe he had done or are you rewarding him for what he's done? Well, yeah, I think when it comes to quarterbacks, I think they're rewarding him for what he's done? Well, yeah, I think when it comes to quarterbacks, I think they're rewarding him for what you think he's going to do. So you look at Daniel Jones. Why did they pay Daniel Jones?
Starting point is 00:58:53 Think about it. That's what I'm asking you. I just told you. We're rewarding you in hopes you're going to do what we think you're capable of doing based on what we've seen so far. So you disregard potential. Potential. Potential means you haven't done anything yet.
Starting point is 00:59:11 So in other words, you're going to disregard, you're going to disregard the three years you saw. So the three years, that don't mean nothing, Ocho. I take the one year. You see what they do, how they do it, Ocho? Yeah. That they take one year. Now, Saquon Barkley had proven.
Starting point is 00:59:26 Boom. Nah, you know what? We're going to put a tag on you. We want to see it one more time. But Daniel Jones, we've seen enough. Yeah. Yeah. Here's 160.
Starting point is 00:59:35 The quarterback position. Again, the best offensive weapon for the New York Giants was Saquon Barkley. Yeah. Ray Charles can see that. But again, the way the game has evolved,
Starting point is 00:59:49 nobody values the running back position. They don't value it. Think about what they've done. No position has ever been protected more than the quarterback. They think so little of the running back. They say, now you can't even lower your helmet. You can't lower your head to run somebody over, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:00:06 Somebody gonna get hurt now. Somebody gonna get hurt. It's only one way to run the ball. Run behind your pants. Nah, we don't want you to run behind your pants. We want you to run through the hole like this here. Yeah, straight up. Like you are not Ricky Waters.
Starting point is 01:00:21 What's his name? Roger Craig. Roger Craig ran with the high knees. He also ran straight up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he sure was. Ocho, check this out. Since 1990,
Starting point is 01:00:33 59 quarterbacks have been selected in the top 10. Since 1990. 1990 was the year that I came out. Only four quarterbacks. Damn.
Starting point is 01:00:43 Whoa. I am. Damn. You old. I am. Damn. You gonna realize that you get to a certain age, that's the only purpose of life at this point in time. Oh, yeah, you right.
Starting point is 01:00:52 To get old. You right about that. I tell you what, I bet you take getting old versus the alternative. What's up? Oh, yeah, I don't want to talk about that.
Starting point is 01:01:01 Not yet. Oh, yeah. Not yet. Oh, yeah. Not yet. Oh, not yet. Only four quarter to. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Only four quarterbacks have been named first team all pro of the 59 quarterbacks selected in the top 10. Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes.
Starting point is 01:01:16 59. So we've got 35 years of data. Mm-hmm. And of the 59 quarterbacks that's been selected in the top 10, only four. Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan once, Cam Newton once,
Starting point is 01:01:34 Peyton Manning, I think Peyton Manning seven times, first-team All-Pro. Patrick Holmes twice. Now you see why they put such a huge importance on the quarterback position? Yeah. Because once you get one,
Starting point is 01:01:50 once you get one... She upset at me. About what happened? Because I said Peyton Madding, I think Peyton has been selected first team All-Pro seven times and she looked over here real dejected. It's been about seven though, hasn't it?
Starting point is 01:02:05 It's seven. It's seven. It's seven. I mean, think about it, Ocho. The man has almost damn many as many MVPs. He's been first team all pro. Pros. But Peyton, man, Peyton was nice.
Starting point is 01:02:21 Peyton was that dude, man. We talk about a student of the game. Yeah. And he a good dude. I mean, he's just a good. I mean, look, he's Peyton was nice. He was that dude, man. We talk about a student of the game. Yeah. He a good dude. I mean, he's just a good dude. I mean, look, he's just a good dude. I mean, just good to talk to about anything, talk about football. He talk about life.
Starting point is 01:02:33 He love to have. I mean, I went to, like I said, my last Pro Bowl I went to in 01, after the 01 season. He was the quarterback. I think he, Brady, he, Brady, and maybe McNair might have been my quarterbacks. Well, I was just over there.
Starting point is 01:02:53 I don't know. I wouldn't say they were my quarterback because I ain't do, I was terrible. Damn, man. And boy, goddamn. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:03 I had some quarterbacks now. I had some quarterbacks now i had some quarterbacks doing my time marino elway uh kelly uh warren moon uh joe montana brady manny mcnerney i read the god i read the gauntlet don't you i read the gauntlet i did yes it hard i had well i'm trying to think well Well, you had Brady and Manning, didn't you? But Brady probably didn't come when you was there because Brady stopped coming because I don't think Brady came more than twice.
Starting point is 01:03:33 I know he came that one year. Yeah. But I don't think he... I'm not sure. I know Peyton was there. I know Steve McNair. I had Steve. Roethlisberger.
Starting point is 01:03:48 Mm-hmm. I had Carson. I'm trying to think who else. With Culpepper. No, Culpepper was the NFC. No. NFC. Man, that's a good one.
Starting point is 01:04:01 Now you jogging my memory. I can't even remember some of the quarterbacks. Yeah, but your list can't touch mine, list yeah you yeah listen you you played an error you played an error with them boys that's about boys real yeah i mean that hello let's see elway well you got all the famous too montana uh manning brady that's five oh Warren Moon Jim Kelly seven Hall of Famers
Starting point is 01:04:29 McNair we had some we had some dogs over there and back then they knocked the hell out of you at the Pro Bowl especially come fourth quarter man they tried to go hard
Starting point is 01:04:42 for that 10 grand but when that money time come in the fourth quarter, and Ray Lewis pacing up and down the sideline say, all right now,
Starting point is 01:04:51 time to go. Yeah. Time to play. We won them little 10 measly thousand dollars. Man, you done brought, you done paid for coaches and their wives to come over.
Starting point is 01:05:01 You about to brought some family. Man, please. Man, them little 10 thousand was going to go a long way. Yeah, I needed all that. I needed all that. I needed all that.
Starting point is 01:05:11 I think now they was making like maybe $50,000, $80,000. Back then, the losers got $5,000 on show. The losers got $5,000. The winners got $10,000. I think during my time we might have been at maybe $30,000. I might be wrong. I can't remember. It might have been at maybe maybe 30 some I might I might be wrong I can't remember might have been maybe 30 30 some for the winner but now what you think they make it now
Starting point is 01:05:31 Pro Bowl well now yeah yeah but yeah because now they got flag and they got um they got like skills competition and stuff like that so I don't know but the numbers the numbers never go down though so the numbers are still the same they just don't have to do as much yeah right they. So I don't know. But the numbers never go down, though. So the numbers are still the same. They just don't have to do as much. Yeah, right. They don't have a game. But you guys get a Pro Bowl nod. Anthony Richardson, go ahead.
Starting point is 01:05:55 I'm so glad you said that. Think of the Pro Bowl, the format. This is the format I think they should do this year. Now, I'm not sure if you could run right now. I think they should have the current NFC and AFC rosters that make the Pro Bowl and have them play against the old-timers. Not that old, but I'm just saying the ones that are still capable. Listen, stay with me now.
Starting point is 01:06:18 The ones that are still capable of moving a little bit just to make it competitive and fun. Even if it's flag football, I think it would be dope. Think about the concept. All you have is a bunch of torn Achilles, ACLs, and quad muscles. Man, ain't nobody moving like that. Don't nobody move like that. I know what you mean.
Starting point is 01:06:36 But they didn't took it down to flag football. I'm just saying, just think about the concept on how fun it would be if the former players knew, like, listen, we got six months to get ourselves together, and whoever makes the Pro Bowl, we get to be back out there again. I think it would just be fun to have some of the players from back in the day
Starting point is 01:06:55 facing some of the younger generation in today's game just lined up. I mean, we ain't trying to kill each other. Just out there having a little fun. Y'all go ahead. Have fun. Y'all let me know how that work out for y'all. I just think it would be fun. I coach. Okay, you coach.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Well, I'm going to play. I'm going full speed. I don't care. Well, y'all take off. Anthony Richardson is on a mission this year after missing most of his rookie season due to injuries. AR rookie season with the Colts did not go as he planned, playing just four games due to injury before being shut down to have season ending shoulder surgery. He underwent the procedure in October and began
Starting point is 01:07:29 throwing in February. Since his first throw post-surgery, last year's number four overall pick has made significant progress and ready for his comeback. I've never waited this long to get back to playing football. I'm just on a mission this year. Once that mission is complete, then I'll be good.
Starting point is 01:07:46 What do you expect from AR? I like him. I can't wait to see him. I can't wait to see him. Obviously, there was a very small sample size of what he did at Florida. Still went high for a reason. Potential. Obviously, what he can do.
Starting point is 01:08:03 Great arm. Very, very very very good arm obviously he's a dual threat he can run with the ball as well obviously running with the ball is what got him hurt messed up that shoulder a little bit but I think the sky's the limit for him the sky's the limit for him I'm excited
Starting point is 01:08:17 that he is coming back because he is going to be one of the ones that gets those Colts to that next level that next step and being in contention every year, similar to how Peyton Manning, I'm not calling him Peyton Manning. I'm not saying that. I'm saying he can have that Lamar Jackson type of effect in Indianapolis. And I'm not calling him Lamar Jackson either. I'm just saying he is that dynamic, whether it's throwing or whether it's having to use his legs, he is that good. so i'm excited to see him back and it's going to be exciting especially for colts fans
Starting point is 01:08:48 yeah i mean you know and now you put him in that mix when you see jay stroud and now you got uh trevor lawrence and jacksonville yeah uh the question is do they stand pat in tennessee with will levis but you know you got three guys with CJ with high draft picks. First overall, CJ Stroud was second overall, Anthony Richardson was fourth overall, and they're fairly young. So that's an opportunity for this division to be good for a
Starting point is 01:09:15 very, very long time. If the quarterback play stays at what we think, what we projected to be to get better, CJ even improved from his rookie year and his sophomore season from his rookie season. We know what Trevor Lawrence, but he projected to be to get better cj even improved from his rookie year in his sophomore season from his rookie season uh we know what trevor lawrence but he's just got to get over that hump too many mistakes i mean for them to have the record to start the season and then to miss the playoffs in this entitled entirety that's just totally unacceptable but i'm excited to see
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