Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Udonis Haslem CLAPS BACK at Draymond Green + Sterling Sharpe JOINS and CONFIRMS CHILDHOOD STORIES

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Conor McGregor’s lackluster return to the UFC, Paddy Pimblett beats Saint Denis, England ends Norway’s run and Jude Bellingham enters Golden Boot race. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 00:00 - Introduction11:21 - Udonis Haslem claps back at Draymond Green31:50 - Sterling Sharpe joins (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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hey he's a six-time pro bowler three-time all pro he's in the ring of fame and one of the greatest binkled receivers in history he he's number one for the time being chase chase chase chase is chasing it but as we speak you're mic mute though cho but as we sit here today he's in the number one spot. I don't know how much long he's going to be able to keep chase off him, but that's him. That is Chad, Ocho Sinko Johnson, and the Little Rock Arkansas native, University of Arkansas alum. He's a seven-time NBA All-Star from the Atlanta Hawks, a shooting guard. They call it Mr. Clutch, ISO, Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from.

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We got one half of the first brothers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame joining us. That's my brother, Sterling Sharp. He joins us in about 30 minutes, but first, we've got an aide. Joe, what we got? I don't know if we're going to be able to control them tonight. Because as a matter of fact, let's just take a look at the video. Ocho slips, finishes, four moves for his second. Fantastic football.

Team Celine, back in at 5-4, trailing by one. Chad Ocho Cinco with the finish. What a quick touch from right foot to left foot, left foot finish. This man has been spending a lot of time under soccer football. ball failed recently and you can see it's paying off. He doesn't even celebrate. I don't even know what's going on. Hey, hey, they need to get rid of that damn goalie.

Eddie Bad Joe? Ain't nowhere in hell. Man, that goal ain't worth two dead flies. Come on, man. He dropped out right there. The man goes to the far post. He dropped out there near post. Man, just come on, man.

It's fall out. Hold on, hold on, hon. And you know, this is only one place the ball could go. Like, the goalie's covering the, he's covering the near post. So I know. You know, when I go from right foot the left foot, the only place I can put it is for a post, and it hit the post and went right in.

I mean, hey, listen, I didn't celebrate because it's what I do. I'm used to scoring goal. That's why I just turned around and just, you know, hey, calm me, call me. I mean, I'm used to. Hey, I like the little right to left, though. I ain't going to lie. Hey, Joe, you know, I kick, I'm right footed, Joe. Yeah, okay, okay.

Yeah, I'm right. You slew footed. You slew foot it. You said your feet turned out like a dog, Joe, you know what I'm saying? Hey, that's why I'm able to stop on a dime. that, but be go like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Joe, I'm just showing you.

My first goal was with the right foot. I came back and gave him on my left foot just to let him know. You should have got the hat trick, Ocho. I mean, I mean, what they find the goal in? They found them at Costco, a Home Depot or something? Hey, Joe, it wouldn't have matter. It wouldn't matter who was in goal, Joe. Oh, so they could have Virginia and goalie.

You got him up. Hey, I'm getting one right by him, huh? I'm getting one right by him. Hey, I know a Home Depot goalie when I see one here. They drove back. Hey, we need one. You know, they jump right in the truck. Hey, you got that man at the heart, at the heart went out.

Hey, we need you for about two hours. He clocked out. Yeah. We're not there. Hey, got about six gold put on his head and went right back to work. It's what I do at any level. At any level. Okay, all right.

Okay. No, you look good. You look good, though. I give you that. Hey, you can finally. finally. You did something that we can show and we can be proud of.

But see, you got to understand. Like, I keep telling people, they think I'd be bulljabing Uncle Joe. Like, I'm a better soccer player than I was an NFL receiver because I put the time in. The only problem is I don't have a platform to show how good I've got that soccer

until moments like this comes. Speed and YouTube had a content creator, you know, soccer game. So now all the work I've been putting in, now I get the show. Hey, that's what's up, bro. When you play football, you're playing against other professionals. Right.

These are not professionals. Well, uh, what do you want me to do? If you're on a real soccer field, a little lit, huh? What you want me to do? That's what I'm saying, though. You say, I'm 48. I can't play against professionals. No, I'm saying even in your prime.

Oh, okay, okay. Put you on a real field against the real guys. Oh, no. You said when they gave the play. Yeah, see, I wouldn't look the same. You got to think, you got to think, how long I've been retired. How many years has been?

Probably about, shit, probably about 13, 14 for sure. You have to understand. Since I retired, I've literally been trying to get better at playing soccer. So I've been, oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. And I'm going to get better. Hey, and I, Joe, and I still got a long way to go. What you, hey, what you'd be doing? You're doing your little ladder drills and all that.

You keep your feet right. No, no, no. More, I train. I train with friends of mine. His name is Andy Herron. They trained down and right by my house about two blocks away. at Flamingo Park. Yeah, it is called Flamingo Park.

I do it every morning, every morning, trying to get comfortable and make the ball in my feet become one. You might need to go get Ronaldinho trainer because ain't nobody been able to handle the ball like Ronaldino. Listen, in order for me to look like Ronaldinho,

I would have to be reborn in Brazil. It started like three. In the favelas as a little kid and playing barefoot, I'd never look like that. Yeah. Ain't nobody ever look like. like that but him.

Nah. And he was doing that on the game. You know, I see, you know, they show videos of him just bulljiving around. Yeah. And him turning flips. He got the ball tucked in this thing. And he's kicking it. He's doing what in that in that video.

He's doing that in an actual soccer game. Yeah. He would take the ball kick it, then kick it over the guy's head and then punch it. I'm like, yeah. Y'all let this man do y'all like that? There's very few people that can pull those tricks off in the middle of the game because you don't want to mess up. Oh, yeah, for sure.

You don't want to mess up. He kicking him with his heel in the net? Hey, hey, what's there, like a celebrity game you played in? Yeah, Speed. Speed had a content creator game on YouTube. Oh, man, that's all right, bro. I like to see y'all coming together, bro, and you, you know, you're getting some highlights. I like to see you doing your one, too.

You know what I mean? Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Like I said, Joe, he finally made us look good because basketball, we used to let people's questions. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait until you see the big three celebrity tournament this time. Hey, hey, hey, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I need to make sure you course side because mind you, I ain't stopped playing. I've been, I've been practicing basketball too.

So I'm put on a mean demonstration. Oh, okay, okay. Listen, listen. I don't care about no sidebest this year. Okay, okay. I'm getting, I'm getting to the buckets. Okay, that's why I was just from the sake. See, me and uncle, don't want you coming back on her cop and no,

please talking about all, I don't mean, they had sidebed. I don't want to hear that shit. I don't want to hear that. I want you to come on here. And you know what I mean? We'd be able to, you know, glowed a little bit. You know what I mean? You see my boy, Ocho, out there?

I need you to do me a favor. I need to make sure you cross side, right? And I'm going to do your move. And when I do your move and I make the shot, I'm looking at you. And I'm a point. Hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm sorry, but just the one and only. If you meet another, he's a phone meeting, Ocho. You gave me down.

Hold on. Ocho, so you're going to do the end and out. Yeah. In between, behind the back. I'm going to do. Dribble, dribble, to the right, to the right twice, I mean, twice to get him going. Yeah. Come back with the left, then step back and hit him middy.

Okay, okay. I know it by hard, Joe. I know that. All right. I want to see this. Oh, yeah. Hey, I'm going to be locked in. When is it?

When is it? I'm going to be locked in because I got to come, I got to come check you out. I don't know. When is the big three are celebrity? Oh, that's the champion. That's right before the championship game. They do the celebrity joint. Yeah.

So, okay. Then yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So how many months we got before that? Shit, they've got at least another month of basketball left. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little probably a little over that. Yeah, yeah, Joe.

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who like everyone else didn't have a ton of context because you weren't there, but was really outspoken about it. And it really bothered. me was Udana's has him. And the reason it really bothered me is because, man, everybody can have an opinion and your opinion is what your opinion is, but, you know, I saw Udonas Hazam get into it with guys on teams that was younger than him before, a la Jimmy Butler. I had seen that before and then he came out and he like, that's ridiculous. You get into it with your young guy, I can't, but I would never, I can't believe you did that. And it really

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Heat culture or Heatway. Maybe they don't have fights. Like, it really threw me for a loop because, you know, I don't really care what most. people say but when I have respect for certain guys I it it does matter when you have respect for God's face and so when I saw that I was just like damn man this dude doing what everybody else doing acting like he and so when I first

saw this I was like damn this is two young guys you Donis Haslam raised and yeah they're not on the same team no more but if you raised this young guy in the light of what you were saying about me and now he punches this young other young guy that y'all kind of co-raised are you going to have that same energy and the reality is i don't really want them to have the same energy because i love bam that's my brother love bam's my dog want a gold medal is gold medal together so i actually wouldn't want uh someone even had that same energy towards bam however i i just i just was wondering like man i what you i wonder what you don't times I'm going to say.

And he says something back. Well, here's the thing. I'm not going to read the whole thing, but you D tweeted at Money Green. I see things just don't change. You was on some sucker-ish for years when you swung on Joe and pool and you on some slucker-ish now.

I usually don't engage, but since you went so far to the left to get my attention, here it is. If you think your big 32-year-old, three or four rings, at the time, have it ass, swinging on a 23-year-old Jordan Pool at the same time,

then you're even more delusional than I thought. As you can see right there, he said, look, Bam is 28, Tyler Hero is 26. And he goes on, he says, call it heat coach or whatever you want before I let one player disrespect pro, Spow in front of the squad. Cut his legs out, disrupt 15 other guys with trying to get a coverage.

I'll kick his ass. I owe that to Zoe, the Tim, Glenn, and the rest of the OG. I don't really vibe you. I think you know that unless it's me in prime talk hoops, I won't mention you at all. But you brought basically saying you brought it to be. So that's what it is, what it is. Me personally, I don't think, look, I see it from both sides of the equation, Joe, but I look at it like this.

And the one mistake that Jordan Pool left. Oh, Joe, you know if you got tension. Okay, somebody on one end of the field. And y'all talking. Man, F you, Ocho. Ninja, F you. You ain't going to do nothing. All that woman, all that talking.

As long as you over there, I'm over here. We good. What I'm not going to let you do, Ocho and Joe, is close the distance. And you still got that hostility. Yeah. That was Jordan Poole's mistake. Yeah. First of all, somebody got that hostility.

You don't let him walk up on you. You get off the first one. Now, if he's still standing out that, you might have to take off running. But if you get off a clean shit. shot. Yeah. And he's still standing. You're going to get your ass who up anyway. Hey, well, two things you got to have, right? I'm not sure where Jordan Poole grew up. I don't know anything about his background. I don't either. Oh, you always have to understand, for one, spatial awareness. Yes. Spatial awareness, you know, and understanding and having

self-awareness, especially when you, when you get into it with somebody, I think maybe Jordan Poole thought, well, we're in a structuring environment, you know, we're at practice. I don't expect anything like that to happen here. But that's what most of the time, Will not. It happened. So, I mean, it happened. What they do that at? Joe, what did they do that at?

You argue, you don't see pickups. You know all of a sudden if two people, and obviously, I'm saying a football field, but in a basketball court, the basketball gym is only, in practice gym is only so big. So you could hear everything he's saying. And that man getting closer and closer. And y'all still, the elevation is in both of you guys' voice. Right.

Yeah. And you let that man close the distance to be. be able to get that shot up on you yeah because because if you see the video Jordan pool kind of pushed him first and then that's when it came with the you know but yeah yeah yeah yeah now you know I don't really know bro I think in certain situations certain guys he wasn't thinking that draymond was going to know he ain't thinking that man this my damn teammate yeah we're going to have disagreements we're going to be pissed at each other but see basketball and football different do you have fights in the locker rooms yeah but I bet you in football hell let's

52, 53, you're on the damn team. It's way more fights in football than it is in basketball, especially doing teammates. Y'all play a gladiator sport. You know what I mean? It's just a difference. And you know why, Joe? Because as you said, there's so much testosterone

and ain't nobody willing to let nobody punk them. So somebody might be willing to take an ass cutting just to prove a point. You're not been to punk me. Especially when you start that, when that voice start elevating, You know, though, Joe. We've all don't have been around.

We don't been in a fight. I ain't been in no 15. I ain't no professional fighter. But I've been in enough fights and I've seen enough situation. I'm like, okay, let me try to defuse this because I already see where this thing is heading. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ain't nobody backing down. And ain't nobody going back down unless somebody try to let cool a head prevail.

I'm like, hey, man, come on, bro. We don't need this. Nah, I'm going to see if he really owned what he's talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You really got to have somebody to step in and de-escalate the situation. Yeah, because even though we teammates, you know, man, when them emotions get high, boy, you ain't studying all late. You ready to go back yard.

Damn that team, man, I don't know you. I ain't never seen you before. A day of my damn life. Bang, bang. God, you act reckless. And there are certain key words, all that. Hey, suck my, you know what. You'll be your, whoa.

Whoa. As a matter of fact, we have one trigger word down in Miami. Actually, two trigger words down in Miami. me, if you call anybody this, it's time to go. I don't care where you're at church, your school, graduation. It's all. You call somebody a fuck, nigger?

Yeah. Man, listen, hey, I would tell your grandma, I take a church hat off. I'm glad. I'm glad I know your trigger word now. I got you. Hey, hey, listen. Hey, Joe, don't, don't play with yourself like that.

Yeah. Oh, this fuck, man. I'm like, oh. But I, and I get with Bams, say, Drayman, you 32, 30, 33 years old. That's a 23 year old. He ain't expecting that he's not expecting this OG. But you have to give half the, you have to like, okay, we're in the art,

the mere fact that we're in an argument lets me know that hold on, this ain't normal. Yeah. Have you seen, have you ever seen Draymond getting the argument with Clay? Have you ever seen him get an argument loon? Have you ever seen him get no argument with Steph? So you got to, hey, you got to like, okay, I got to maneuver this man. Hold on, wait a minute. And he getting close and close.

And like you said, Joe, he pushed him. Man, that man don't walk up on you. Yeah. He don't close the distance. Yeah. No. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's, it's super unfortunate, but I disagree with Dremont

because it's a whole total different situation. Yeah, that man wasn't talking about you. Yeah. I mean, what the story is is the legend is that he was talking about how he was cooking him. Yeah. In practice. Yeah. Tyler Hero allegedly took screen, uh, uh,

saying stuff and somebody took a screenshot of it. Right, right. That's a whole different. I don't believe BAM would have just got into an argument, nothing. All of a sudden, they stay teammates and they just get, and all of a sudden they get into an argument about something. I don't see that happening. I don't know people get mad and people say things, you know,

sometimes, hey, and a lot of times when people get upset, they've been dying to tell you that anyway. Yeah. They just did, they just did an opportunity to never presented itself, Joe, for them to tell you how they really. felt about you. This was the opportunity to really tell you how they really feel. And then the other reports came out that says, you know, uh, uh, Jimmy Butler, allegedly distanced himself for ban because they felt bound with untouchable, the,

the heat organization. And I read there are other people in the heat organization. I don't know. I mean, I'd just be reading it up like, uh, whatever it is, it is what it is. But I'm just saying I don't, I don't agree with Dre on this one. I understand what he's, his point he's trying to make. Yeah. But it's too, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. The question is, if Tyler Hero doesn't say what he says about Bam, does Bam have the reaction that he has?

I don't believe he does. He could, I don't know Bam. No, no. All I know is Bam what I see on television. I don't know the man. Nah, it's certain stuff you can keep in house, even if his room was about you and maybe you even know them to be true. But when somebody posts something about you, bro,

it's different. Hey, when we see each other at, here, at least we gotta rap about it, you feel me? Yeah, for sure. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know if Bam just felt the way and just stole off on him, but damn, bro, this is how you been feeling the whole time?

Well, that seems to be the consensus that he walked up and, hey, he wasn't really pow. Damn, you didn't even know what's wrong. You need to get wrong guy. You just said, what's with Powell? But like I said, I don't know, bam. So I, and that's the thing. Also, Joe, and Ocho, you know this.

You got to know a person's disposition. You got to know who you can joke with. Yeah. You got to know who you can play with. You gotta know who you could like, certain things like, hey, certain people, you can't make no jokes. Right. About their family, by the kids, about anything.

You make a joke about guys, uh, uh, uh, a play and do be ready to fight. I, yeah, hell my grandma could have caught that one. Yeah. And what way, hey, shaw, hey, let that go. Oh, I'll let it go just like you let that ball go. You know what I said? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

But you got, you gotta know, because everybody don't play like you play. No, no. You got to be aware, it's all about self-awareness, knowing who you can joke with, especially in a locker room with 53 players. You know who to play with?

You know who not to play with. I had this problem. You know how I play around. Remember, well, you don't think you was there yet. When Zeus, Orlando Brown. Orlando Brown. Man, Joe. I had left.

I had retired when he came back to Baltimore. Yeah, boy. Yeah, yeah. I had already retired, Ojo. It's a story. story, Joe. We had that warming up before the game start. You know how the players warm up.

I'm like, God, Lee, man, dude, big as hell. Mind you, me being my funny self, I wouldn't have jumped on his back. You know how people would jump on your back? Yeah. On his back. You didn't know him? No, I ain't know him.

I ain't knowing. But I thought, you know, when he saw it with me, he was gonna be cool. Yeah. Man, Uncle Joe, man, that niggie tried to whip my ass on the field, boy. I had to run to the locker room just to finish warming up. I had to go get Big Willie.

I had that big Willie come out and talk to him. And Orlando Brown Jr., he talked about that story all the time every time I've seen him, man. Hey, rest of pop soul, man. Hey, everybody don't play the same, though. I learned the hallway because he was, hey, Joe, he was dead serious. No, he wasn't a guy that, that really messed around like that play like that. And I'm like, I'm just playing, man.

He's out, I don't give a fuck. Who the fuck you think I am? He'd be jumping on my back. Yeah. And he squared up with me. And man, I took off to the locker room. Hey, hey, hey, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just. I bet you didn't jump on nobody else damn back, did you?

Well, yeah, Ray, Ray Lewis. Yeah, you saw what I did. I didn't. Come on. Come on. Hey, but you're right, but you're right, though. You don't know, bro. And you take a guy's demeanor for granted.

He may have been thinking like, man, I ain't never seen Bamb pissed out. He ain't going to do nothing. Yeah, mess around and find out. And what happened if the day that you want to joke, he's having the worst day of his life. Ooh. You're going to catch the repercussions up. You don't know what somebody endured while they were a child.

Oh, man. You don't know their background. Because remember now, when you deal with an individual, lady deal with a guy, guy deal with a lady, you're not just dealing with her. You're dealing with her past. You're dealing with her trauma. Yeah.

So you don't know it might be a situation that somebody has said something to him and he wasn't in a situation. where he can defend himself like he can now. Yeah. Now you put him right back in the situation that he'd hoped he'd never be in, but he can defend himself now.

Yeah. Now you got hell on your hands. Now you got to, hey, you got to be a hostage negotiator to talk his ass down. I'm just saying. And now you got a black eye. Yeah. Plan.

Now, now it's, it's, it's, it's, because I'm like, like, you walk around a little. team y'all still gotta be teammates and this man no whipped you i mean how that worked oh how that worked hey i'm just saying i'm just chat i don't know because i've been on team when we had fights and you know i ain't know everybody know i was the guy i was kind of like the divorce of reason you know i'm trying to keep peace with everybody the defense offense but then sometimes hey you say somebody mama and his mom was up It's up.

Hey, I have, how many fights? You didn't know that? Don't you never had no fights in training camp, especially training camp, no. Nah, hell, no, man. Oh, Joe. Man, it's 100 degrees. We're going to be out there two hours.

I'm saving that, you know, that you? Yeah, I had one fight. I never forget. I had one fight with our safety at the time. I think it was, I don't think you don't know if you remember. His name was Medu, Williams. He was really, he was good. He was nice.

I do. I know, yeah. Really, really solid safety. And we got into it. I forgot what it was. Maybe he hit me after a play or something like that. But yeah, it wasn't long. We just, you know, a little scuffle.

Yeah. That was it. I was the only time, only, only time I ever had a fight. And I was in training camp at Georgetown. And probably we had that fight. We was tired of playing against each other. Oh, yeah, yeah. And he probably, probably overly aggressive.

Yeah. Oh, Joe. Huh? He was overly aggressive. I think so. I think he might have been. And knowing that, okay, we got the pads on, if anything, just thud me up.

Of all players that actually hit, Don't hit me. Hey, Joe, don't hit me. We need to, you know, Sunday. You know, and I just, you know, well, Marba, Marma said, well, Marma hit that whistle. Man, two motherfuckers don't get you all that. And then that was the end of it right there.

Dang. No, I ate. Because I already know, well, we're not practicing hard enough. If you got that kind of energy to fight, we're not practicing hard enough. Let's go. Another 30 minutes. Bro, we are there out of 45 already.

Yeah. And in two a day? Oh, man. No, bro. Now, if you brought, you know, you have a joint practice, Ocho, that's something in time to different. Yeah. Now, that's always a fight.

You know, not a what you want to do, man. Hey, let's get out of this practice. Every play, Joe, br-quh, quack, quack, hey, hey, hey, hey, cut it out. Hey, get his ass out of there. Somebody in there to get in there. Hey.

Next play. Same thing. Same thing. You know what's funny, Joe, Uncle Joe? What's it? Every year on ESPN, they have these long think pieces about joint practices and everybody fighting. Mind you, I've been retired now 13 years and every joint practice, it's a fight.

And they get on ESP and acting like, oh, my goodness. I can't be they fighting in training care. Hello, have y'all ever been in an organized activity with two different teams competing with pads on? Hey. That's going to always be a fight. And plus, hell, y'all tired of playing against each other. So once you do play against somebody else, all that testosterone started to come out because that y'all playing a sport that's built off contact.

Yeah, y'all looking for it. Y'all looking for the confrontation. Oh, Joe. Yeah. Joe, we play a sport that was built on intimidation. That's a good one. That's a good one. We're trying to, we're trying to, we're trying to, we're trying to,

break a move a man. We're trying to break a man's spirit. Yeah. Yeah. That's what football was founded on. You got a plot of land. I got a plot of land. My job is to try to get as far as I can on your plot of land. Your job is to try to get as far as I can, you can on my plot of land. I ain't going nowhere because I know if you keep sitting up shop on my side, pretty soon you go on the real estate and I ain't going to have nothing. Hello. Hello. I like that. And it is so funny, if you think about it, Uncle Joe, I mean, obviously, y'all see me in person.

Joe, you see me, you see me, you know, for years, is the intimidating factor is I wasn't able to do it because I'm not imposingly intimidating at all. Don't, Uncle Joe. I tried to intimidate as well, but I played the middle game. Right. Trash talking. Now, if I get you out your game, I'm going to get you out your game up here.

Not with this, because I don't have that. So I had to use talking trash to get you out of the game. If I can get you to, if I can get you angry, I got you. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I got you by this much. I just need to get you angry. I need to get you to converse with me, which is why I never wore a mouthpeen, Joe.

I ain't where mouth is no purpose. If I can get you in a conversation, yeah, I got him all game. But you know what? Even, and no matter where I've been, you know, we play in cards, we're rolling dice, I say, look guys, hey, somebody going to win, somebody going to lose. Somebody going to be talking ish, and somebody going to get upset. We're going to keep our hands to ourself.

That's up. Ain't nobody here got, I got kids. You got kids, you got kids. But I don't see none of them right here at this table. Keep your hands to yourself. We fine. We find. You know how they're cool.

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where are you he muted hey you muted spank you muted you still mute right about now Yeah, you got. All right. I'm in New Jersey. I'm getting ready for the O.J. Anderson golf event tomorrow, followed by Cooling the Gang on Tuesday. That's right. Cool in the game.

Yeah, Cool in the game. Cool in the game performed at our first Super Bowl show. Our party, we got a reality. Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay. That's right. Yeah, they perform. So, hey, you know what, man?

Everybody asks that you've been retired. You've been retired three decades now. So what's a typical day for sports? Ooh, in the summer, now it is hot, a typical day is, bro, you got to get up early to get out there and get that golf in before it get too hot. You don't want to be, hey, bro, you know, we don't want to be reminded about being in the tobacco field. So we got to get out there and get it in early. Yeah, I'm good.

But that's pretty much it, man. I get a chance to enjoy my friends. My daughter is self-sufficient now at 32 years old, so don't have to. to really worry about her. You know, I got my brother out of the house. I got my mom out of the house. My grandma out of the house, man, I'm living for me right now. My sister is still in the house, but she good. I'm living for me right now. You keep talking about your friend. You got one friend, AG, and Fee Lee, and Fee Lee and West Michigan. My question is, why you put my business in the street? Uh, yeah.

But you know what? And people are, and you always call me, say, man, people always ask you when they see you. Say, man, I heard your brother say this on nightcap, man. Is that be true? Is that true? You say that's the number one question that you get when people see you. And they're like, man, your brother said this about your grandfather. And is that true, man?

Did your grandfather really say this? Your grandfather really do this? Yes. When I don't, when I see the clips myself, I usually con. comment like, yeah, he, he did say, he did do that, you know, he did say that. Like, you told the story about granny hooking being the eyelid, sitting behind her as she's fishing throwing the pole. I'm like, that happened. I'm like, he, he kind of glossed over the story where you set the field on fire and then went back and told Papa that somebody did it. He said it was you, boy, I got the punishment for

that. You know, so it's interesting because you're three years younger to me. It's just interesting of the stories you remember and how you remember with the accuracy of, you know, you couldn't tell about the beating that I got for you setting the field on five because you didn't experience that. Hey, hey, but he used to tell it, though, didn't he. Hey, Joe, let me tell you. If you want to know where the Lindbergh baby is, don't tell him. If you want to know where Amelia Earharty is, don't tell Shannon. Because if Shannon

know it, you don't have to bribe him, he's going to tell it for free. He's giving you up for free. Hey, I told the story, I was telling Joe and Ocho the story about we watched it. We watched, Papa gave us two dollars to watch the truck. You watched the body,

I watched the time. You take it from All right, first of all, Joe, we watched the car totally wrong. You're supposed to watch the car from the top down. We started from the bottom up. So by the time that diswashing detergent that we were using to watch the car, by the time I got to the top, you know, the brake dust and everything had already just eating that detergent up, right? He came out there and looked at that best, and he was like, boy y'all first of all he threatened us because he's like boy y'all y'all know y'all needs your ass well for doing this

okay that's first thing you see and then he was just you know because it was one of the few times that he allowed us to do something without instructing us so it didn't go well uh i i don't even think we got the two dollars because let me tell you something else I don't know if Shannon told you guys this, but what he would do was is he would pay us $2 to wash the car and then charge us a dollar to take us to the store. And there was no, you know, oh, Joe, you know, you'd be like, hey, man, give me some of them skittles and get me a Rizica. No, sir. There was no buying for somebody. If you didn't pay the dollar, everybody had to pay that toll. So he was a true.

See, when I tell people that, they're like, man, it wasn't like that. He told me, because he came back there because Spang and say, hey, go tell Papa, we don't finish with the car. Joe, I go in the hive just like he instructed me to, just like a good little brother supposed to do what his big brother tell him to do something. So I go get Papa. I said, Papa, he's done. He come out there, he put his overalls on.

He got one strap hanging. He come out there. I should be shot. I should whip y'all ass is what I should do. That would he said. He said, he said. anything he said anything but yeah he was like man Joe he was he hold on you didn't tell him the one about about how he used to

sometimes he would make you feel so stupid now I for lack of a better word Joe we washed the car now it's time to wax it so instead of saying a go over and grab the wax he says hey spank go get that jaywax like whoa j what's the jay wax so i'm looking joe i'm like this so i'm looking at the jay wax

and i'm like i'm looking at the wax but i'm looking for the jay wax boy boy get that jay wax eat him up jay wax eat him up because it was it was so close to me if it was a snake it would have bit but he he did things like that but it's amazing, though, that Shannon has the memory being three years, because when

Pop-Bar died, you would have been, what, nine, eight, nine? Eight, eight. I'll have been nine my birthday, but I was in. And so for him to remember, and he was not in the fire as much as I was. I mean, if I were to start a podcast and start telling these stories, these folks would arrest Barney Port. They would dig him up and arrest his ass for the thing. Joe, Joe, this is, I'm telling you, you start back.

because I don't want to talk too much. But Joe, I used to sleep with him. Shannon slept with my grandma. I slept with him. He would wake me up at two in the morning. Make me ride with him to the truck stop. He got eggs, grits, toast. He got the pancakes with the syrup.

He got coffee. And he would look at me and say, yeah, you don't want to eat this because you're going to eat cereal in the morning. He takes Spanke to watch him eat, Joe. Guys, the reason he nicknamed me Spanky is he couldn't say Sterling. So he was like, that boy, their name Spanky. I ain't calling him whatever that you named him. I don't know where you get that fancy name from.

His name Spanky. And to this day, there's two people that still called me Spanky. My brother and my home boy, Calvin McNeil, are the only two people that called me that. Hey, what about we got in trouble for? Wait, which place? Which is crazy now how we got in trouble.

If he showed you a way to do something, you had to do it that way. So you couldn't cut. I'm like, it's cutting grass. So he... You can't get that wrong, though. Yes, you can. Yeah, because if he was going

from the house to the well, and you went from the road to the chicken coop or to the horse pen, he lose his mind. No, it is now. It wasn't in. It wasn't it. Because he's going to come out there.

The first thing he'll ask you, who told you to do this? So, so. You know, Joe, we got to push him, but we can't grass. We thought we did. Hey, fellas, he asked more rhetorical questions than anybody on the planet.

Hey, hey, who told y'all to do this? Because I know if you answer this question, whatever answer you give is going to be wrong and there was consequences and repercussions. For any answer you got, for any answer you gave, let me tell you. Yes. Hey, let me ask you questions, Mike.

How was he about me? Oh, no, no, no. Could you be late? Bro, you know, you said Harold Green is my best friend. bro, the only falling out me and Harold have ever had was he was late coming to my house bro, we leave and driving to Atlanta.

He's supposed to be at my house at 7. He gets there by 735, bro. I'm steaming. The one thing Barney Porter was not going, you wasn't going to be as late. That's not going to happen to him. He is not going to have you attempt to be late.

Because if you don't respect Barney Porter's time, there was consequences and there was repercussions. it's always that way. You were going to respect you're going to respect his time because you respected him. He was that way.

He was definitely that way. But yeah, Shannon, boy, let me tell you. But this podcast thing, I know you guys, man, y'all doing a heck of a job and I enjoy it. But Shannon, man, you're talking too much. You're putting all our business in the street. That's why I'm just doing to write a book.

Because, boy, it's like, look, Shannon. my sister got so fed up with Shannon talking about us growing up in a house without running water that she almost disowned. But people, but see, when we tell them because, you know, Grandma Lou had the old little house on the prairie,

the prime pump that you pulled the water in and the water comes down. Yeah, we had to lower the bucket. And when I tell people that tell my man, that's from the 50s and 60s, I say, how are you going to tell me something I experienced? But how about this?

I ain't telling you about the experience that I read about. I'm telling you about a little. Tell the boys about what we put in the well to keep the bugs out so we didn't bring up a well, bugs when we brought up the bucket. What we put in the other? Catfish. Put the catfish in the way.

What did they do? Catfish would eat the bugs. See, the catfish would come up and eat the bugs. So when you lower the bucket, you ain't going to get a bucket full of bugs. You're getting pure water. I can't tell you if it works. I'm just telling you what we did.

Hey, uh, with Jim, rest of soul, Eugene, our first cousin, Eugene, uh, brother-sister kids,

uh, we was walking up, walking up, walking in the war on Sammy Kirkland house. Big old red waltz beside the barn. Everybody, and we, you know what?

I don't know what made them, Joe. Man, let's see who can hit that waltz mess. Now, I'm the youngest. Arnell is the oldest by seven. Eugene is the next oldest by

six. Spank is the next oldest by three. Land is two years old to me. I'm the youngest. This had to be. I could have been no more than six. At least. Yeah. I probably about six. So so we take a turn. We tried to take Joe. We were firing at that day,

bro. And just right on cue. Eugene hit it. They take off. They go on. Why take off but it's a little bit too late? Man, they told me up. Then what they got me?

Yes, they need. They love them, Joe. Hey, Joe. How did it get you? He can run fast enough. I couldn't run fast enough, on Joe. He, he, you got to realize I'm six years old. Rn.

13, U.G. 12, spanking nine, landing up. He, he, he, he, he, he, he likes to talk about what kind of athlete he was. He ain't never had wheels, though. He was always, he was always a dump truck. on the highway. He was always in the way. Hey, so I take off running. I pay, they stop running. They laughing. I run straight to the high because I won't get them in trouble.

I walk in, hey, so by the time they get there, they're coming in there. I'm out of breath. I breathe a hard time. I'm like, Papa, Papa. Papa, they throw in the wall since. You should have run. But Papa, I dare. I said, Papa, Papa, I did.

Like you should have run fast. That joke, hey, he was very matter of fact. He had, he did not have an empathy or sympathy bone in your, in his body. If he told you, if he promised you something, set your clock back. It was going to happen. If he said, I'm going to tell you, well, he didn't tell you that. Or if he looked, or if he gave you that looking church. Your rest of your day was ruined because you knew it was got.

It was like, I don't know. exactly when because you know like on the 4th Sunday man was the time that we got a chance to work on our athletic moves because all our cousins would come over our aunts and my grandma would cook so we're eating we

getting cake oh Joe we doing it up big dog we doing it big yeah so you don't forgot about the look you got when the pastor was praying or no when one of the deacons either deacon Joe Shaw

or Deitha Nathan Nainer were playing. Nathan, you lost to Mr. Yeah, he told him for Mr. Leo. So when you kind of was nodding off that dozing, because you should have gone to bed early. And when you, you know, when you wake up, you look. The first thing you do is look over in that Deacon corner to our left to see if he looked.

And he's looking at it. He look at you and just get on, amen, amen. Amen. You don't forget all about it. Boy, you get the brakes beat off you. About 9.30 that night. get the brakes beat off. Yeah.

Damn. He was, he was different. And I think, I thought Spank, Spank had the most of his ways. I think once we grew up and the way we grew up.

But now that I sit back and think about it, I think I'm more like him than, you more public. You more public. And see, see, Barney Porter would have never done a podcast. Don't know.

He'd never done a podcast. Barney, would have never done a podcast with you two guys either. So there's two things that Barney Porter would have never done. And he always kept self close to the vips. Like he would say things to us that he wouldn't say to other cousins or to his sons. Because I spent more time with my uncle Thurman, who was a farmer with him and him. So I learned how to be a man from them to.

But his, you can say you are more like him, but maybe would say that. I think my matterisms, I think the lateness, I think the, but you're saying, you public. You're public, though. So you, you have a persona where you ain't like, you know, you ain't jovial all the time. You ain't, you ain't on nightcap. You ain't on You ain't on nightcap You ain't on club

Shay all the time So you kind of have to be Barney Porter would have never done a pocket Bonnie Porter ain't ever coming out letting you know what he think He ain't ever doing that He And

And if he don't like something He's going to say he don't like it And he really don't care What your act or reaction is This is what he believed So if you don't like it, you don't like it over there. It was just five.

You know, there's a scene which is really crazy about this movie, lean on me. There's a scene where the assistant principal said, you can't throw the fire chief out. And Joe Clark says, yeah, he's saying that too. But you know where he's saying it? He's saying that in the parking lot. That's how Barney was. He gave you his mind and there was no retort or, you know, let me come back to you on that that was this is my way and there's the road over there.

Hey, hey, that's. Yes indeed. Yes indeed. Y'all know how it is. Hey, they remind me. I'm telling you remind me so much when I hear I talk about his grandpa. It reminds me a Nolan Richardson, bro, when I played at the University of Arkansas. Hey, man, it wasn't a lot of, you know, Kiki, hi, ha, ha, patch on your back.

You know, good job. That it wasn't, hey, man. It was not a lot of that, bro. I'm talking about when he came in, when he came in my mother's living room, so you're going to send him to me as a boy. I'm going to send him back as a man. That's what happens.

Barney, we do this a couple of times at our golf course. We be sitting around, and they'd be like, talk about words you've never heard your parent or guardian say. So I'm like, my grandpa, good job. Never heard him say that. That, uh, yeah, uh, that's right. Never heard him say that. Not to us.

Not what I'm saying to us. never heard him say good job never heard that was right never heard that uh keep doing what you do no whatever you did was wrong until he stopped doing it whatever you did was wrong until he stopped doing so i told jo the story the last probably the last two years of his life how did papa on his knees he couldn't sleep in the bed so he he he knelt down either on the sofa or on in the bed, well, on the side of the bed, he couldn't sleep in the bed. He slept on his knees. Hold on, but why he couldn't sleep in the bed? And I usually don't say that because usually when people say, honestly, they're getting ready to lie. But he couldn't sleep in the bed because

he thought somebody put a root on. Yeah, my grandpa, yes indeed, my boy, yes, sir. And I ain't going to, and I'm not even going to tell you that somebody came over did some things outside his bedroom window and a half a jar of frogs and lizards and snakes, I ain't going to even tell you all that popped up. And I ain't going to even tell you that the person that did this opened this jar and said, Barney, if you see how this frog is dried up, if that whole frog would have dried up, there ain't nothing nobody could have done for you. I ain't even going to tell you that. Because I know you're not going to believe it. Because I know you're not going to believe it, because us standing now we don't

to this day we still don't believe it do we change and that's what happened that is a true story damn you think stuff like that is real roots and okay now the Bible I read says no so I'm going to say no I'm going to say that ain't real

I'm going to say that ain't true but in 1975 it was it was it was 1995 yeah because if you the problem was is that what he says

He believed it. That's right. Right. He believed it. So people like, man, I ain't scared of the dead because the dead can't do anything. They can't hurt you. They can't hurt you. They can't hurt you.

I tell you don't ever see anybody walking through a cemetery at night. They're always in the herd. You know, they're walking through the cemetery at night. Everybody always in the herd, always. That's a, uh, uh, and I told a story about when he got into it and that was, uh, you that had to be that might have been 74 75 when uh he was in the he because the front porch was like right here his bedroom his bed as you walked to the doors on the right yes yeah and well his brother kept thumping me thumping me on my head yeah and he had a saying joe oh cho he said

don't he he detested it he despised it yeah if you thump a kid on his hand you'll make yeah yeah and he was learned Now, I ain't saying that ain't true either based on your grades in high school. So I ain't saying that ain't true. But no, he was as adamant about that as being late. He did not play you. Hit the kid anywhere else. Do not thump the kid on the head.

Don't do it. Which is really weird. But yeah, he would, that was him. That was definitely. He kept thumping me and I kept out like, oh, stop, stop. And you can hear him. Joe, he always, he get up putting them coeralls on. You can hear the change in his

pocket. He got that one strap. He come out there. My folks, one. Now, he's talking to his own. He talked to his brother. He, he, he's talking to his brother. You hit that boy one more time. And, you know, when he said

that, like, everybody was, like, bristled because he wasn't threatening. My grandfather was never really threatening like that. And, hey, Hey, you hit that boy one more time. And everybody, like, froze. And I drew a blank because I had never seen that side.

Actually, that might be the only side, the only time that that came out. Because I don't think he ever, he and his best friend, Virgil Williams, I don't think they ever had any. No, I think that might have been the only time I ever. ever seen my grandfather mad. And I'm talking my old school southern mad. And what y'all won't remember is back in the day, when old folks got mad, they handled it

with a straight razor or a pistol. That wasn't going outside throwing fist. They were getting ready to somebody was either going to the hospital or to the morgue. They were getting it in. And I think that's the only time I saw Papa, that was, yeah, he was done. Because what did he do?

And Shannon was the baby. So he was a little bit, he was a lot of bit different than how, if he had been thumping me on the head, my grandfather would have said it were. But Shannon was a little bit different to. He, he made sure, like if Shannon would have had to go to the truck stop, Shannon would have got to eat what he ate. So, so, you know, Shannon, well, you know, as the baby, Shannon, I am probably more proud of what he turned into because Joe, he wasn't supposed to be.

He ain't supposed to be there. He ain't supposed to be where he is right now. He ain't supposed to be as successful as he is right now. He ain't supposed to be as articulate as he is, even though sometimes he get his words mixed up and he gets excited and they don't come out right. It's okay. I know what he's, I know what he talks. Joe, oh, Joe, I know what he's saying. I know what he's saying.

But he was, for that time, he got enough of what that time was. Man, it's, it is, and these stories are, these are just a few of the stories. I mean, when my, my grandfather was going to kill his own brother over my brother. That's how he thought about Shemann. That's how he was, he was, he was, basically my grandfather's baby, even though my uncle James is his baby boy.

That's how he thought about Shannon. So he's going to kill his brother. No, he didn't pray about it. He's going to kill his brother over Shannon. Yeah, he's going to kill his brother over Shannon. That's how. And he left, Ocho, he left. Check this out.

He left his baby. He left. He never came back. And when my grandfather died, he went going to church. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That is that, yes, sir. Now, I'm talking about that, it's kind of funny. You know, as spiritual as they were, man, look, when they hated, they hate it. When they were angry, but there was no, I'm sorry, ain't no coming back from that. They, you know, because.

They hold a good. They hold the bridge. Oh, boy, what you're saying, man. Hey, uh, uh, yeah, my, my, I'm trying to think. Grady wasn't like that. No, Grady was total. They were the total. I don't know how they got together because they were the total opposite. Now, granted would get mad.

But that's why. But she wasn't like, yeah. My grandpa, yeah. Papa, you never saw him without that 45 in the back pocket. You never saw him anywhere. You carry straight raises too. Yeah, hey, boy.

Hey, two things a man should always care. A wallet and a straight razor or a gun. That's the two things. A wallet or a gun. freight raiser or a gun. I was five, I was five years old, Ocho and had a wallet.

I had a bill put in my back pocket. And because, and because we were robbing him, he didn't know it. He started carrying a chain on his wallet. Because we were taking money out through the buy ice cream. I've already, I'm telling y'all this.

I've already asked. I've already asked for forgiveness. So I'm telling y'all, as y'all, as y'all know, I've already asked God for forgiveness. But, man, you know what, Joe? Ocho, fellas, I will say this. A lot of people can pinpoint one or two things. I don't think I'm here this way, you know, getting the chance to play golf all over the country,

getting a chance to enjoy my NFL friends, my celebrity friends, without that upbringing. I don't think I'm here. I don't think that discipline of I'm, we've been working, you know, because in the Bible it says, you know, do things not for your human master but for your heavenly one. But I've been working for God all my life because the way Barney Porter had you do stuff, oh God had to be pleased

with the work we did. God was thoroughly pleased with the work we did because that's how we was raised. There wasn't a number. How much do we make for catching chickens? $1,000. So if there was 14,000 chickens in there

have to see me, me, Shannon, Arneal Eugene, Laney, Robbie Bernard. So the seven of us had, you know, 10, had 12, 13, 14. Every now and then we get an 18. We love getting the 18, 19,000 chicken house because that's $19 in our pocket. But we getting up in there, bro, and a couple of the older guys from Clifton were catchers. So they would catch. So a good night, old Joe, a good night is you carrying six, three in each hand.

Now, you want to catch hell. You had that night where you got four in one hand and three in the other, and, and I'm talking about you like, you know, 12, 13, 14, 15, bro. I'm like, weight strong has never bothered me. That has never been a problem. But that's that upbringing, man, because you didn't go in there going, oh, man, I hope Uncle James, I hope Uncle James or I hope Earl don't come tonight, man. And we were like, we need to get it. We need to get this money. And we plan on getting, you know,

because we used to get jeans back in the day, but they were all blue. They were all the same size. They were all the same length. So regardless, if you had six pair of jeans, they were identical. So you didn't wear them out. So, man, Joe, I'm telling you.

But we call chickens, that's after you don't work in the field. I mean. You don't win. We were. You don't got there, seven, got in the field at seven, got home at five, you eight,

hey, we go play basketball, fit back down, because they're going to come get you when they get caught. Now, we ain't playing, now, now, Ojo's three days.

He ain't playing basketball down at the direct. That's me and him out in the yard working on our game. That's me and him playing. Yeah. And then because, you know,

back in the day, you had to wait until it got dark to kick, so chickens would all gather in one spot. So, you know, we're getting picked up at 9, 930, depending on where we're going,

get picked up at 9, 30, 10 o'clock at night. And then we're in the house, in the chicken house, about 11. And we need me get up out of there by 1. 1.30. We need to be in the car on the truck, you know, getting back to the house. Because we got 7 o'clock, we got a 7 o'clock. Mr. Joe, the Tatum brothers. Are we going to go in the back to the field again?

Or we was doing doing school, too. Yeah, we had to get, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yes. But I mean, y'all, y'all had to be sleepy in school, man. No, no. Well, Shannon was, as you can tell. She was sleeping.

He was sleeping. I was not sleep, old show. But the thing is, man, and I'm going to say this again, when you don't know any better, that's all right. That norm is okay. Man, that norm is not hard. That norm is not difficult. I don't ever remember us complaining about it being too hot.

I mean, because you got to understand. Into the tobacco field, you got on long sleeves. You got on blue jeans and long sleeves in the chicken house. and a hat on your head to keep the talking about it. And the chicken house, you got on blue jeans and long sleeves. So everything, yeah, because so, you know, when you don't know any better, that ain't nothing wrong with this because, I mean, we, because when my grandfather was alive, we were working for Barney Porter, the fact that he was feeding and clothing us, as he used to say

all the time, that's, that's your pay right there. That's your pay. Yeah. You know, it didn't. It sounds like, it sounded like Denzy. selling fences. Yes. Yeah. That's exactly right. Yes. He's, that's what,

yes. Yes. That's what. Yes. That's good. You're not going to get no pay. I feed you. And he's, and he's, and clothing you and put a roof on your head. And he said it. You know what you said something earlier you said you're proud of me because I wasn't supposed to be here. Tell him what grade used to tell me every day. Which part? Because first of all, somebody was going to get him in that glob of mouth of his. So they were somebody, somebody going to kill him. Yes.

Somebody going to kill him. And then, you know, you know, and even, you know, I'm going to say it. When he, you know, his senior year, when he, he was all this and all that, and, you know, they weren't calling or coming to see him, I wasn't worried about him because I was like, you know, and I wasn't in college to go to the NFL. I was in college because that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to play pro football and that's what I had to do. but Joe which is really fellas which is really crazy

is when I got drafted bro the draft came on and the phone rang so you know I'm in the car headed to the airport when he got drafted the first day went by and we were over at our good friend Melva and Jim Bowler

Peter and Michael Bowler's mom and great family I just saw Jim and Melva the other day as a matter of fact Jim and told me to tell you hello we were over at house. So when we get back to my house, he's disappointed and he's hurt. So get up the next morning, we go over to the University of South Carolina to work out. I'm like, bro, let's just go get it in.

So we end up working out. And the whole time I'm driving down there, he's just telling me, but I just want a chance, man. I just want a chance, man. So he's gone from, I should be in the first three rounds to I just want a chance. Well, to me, I didn't care. Because I'm I'm like, bro, you're going to live like I live, whether you make it or not. You know, I know you want to play and you want to establish your own. I got that. But, bro, you see what I'm driving? You already drive?

Hold on. He had a Mercedes before I did. So he was in the NFL. And, you know, since we put in each other's business in the street, bro, I paid Shannon's bills in the NFL until my daughter was born. so he was in the NFL and I was man what I told you by drosonit ain't nobody asked you that hey

I just hey I told you but you started it that's why Libby don't want you write the book because he would have to come out with all this and you know the first story

Libby going to tell is you you stealing the ring saying it's your fire truck just yeah I try to get married in kindergarten Joe you don't have to

I really, I didn't care. You know, at that time, I know, you know, I know how important it was to him, but I didn't care. Because I was like, brother, where I live? However I'm living, you're going to live the exact same way, brother. This ain't me living this way and you're going to be over in a mobile home. And there ain't nothing wrong with a mobile home if that's how you prepared to live. But I was just going to make sure that just because he was my brother and what we had gone through together, bro, whatever I got you, and I mean, he'll tell you, bro, I had one of the, I had one of

I had the first SL convertible in the state of South Carolina. My brother wrecked it. No, he did. They told him what you know. He didn't. Hey, do bad he was going by what you're in a look. Hey, hey, fellas, he didn't wrecked it. He jumped yard is what he said.

What he told me that out. What he did was is he ran into someone and hit the Mercedes emblem and snatched the Mercedes emblem out of the grill. so he calls me and he goes, hey man, I, uh, I junkyard your stuff, man. Wait, what? I, yeah, bro, I junkyard your stuff, man. What, what are you talking about? Your car, man, I, I, I wrecked it.

You, you wrecked my, my new car? Yeah. I said, well, that's all right, bro, we get it. You know, you are, yeah, yeah, I'm good. Well, you coming back? No, no, I'm going to stay down here for a few more days. I was like, boy. You kept driving it?

Yeah. What? Man, I'm in a convert of S.L. Brand new. Man, hey. Hey, Joe, Ocho. And they're sitting on the back cover like they're in the parade, too. Hey, Joe, Joe, hey, man.

Hey, so, well, man, you know, just come on back. you know, you coming back today? No, man, I'm gonna stay a few more days, man, I'm just gonna come back, you know, when it's over. Because, you know, I'm gonna come back when it's over. Oh, you're gonna come back when the party over? Black Holly spring break?

Okay. And did that lead right? Hey, Joe, didn't that lead right in the freak nick? See, he ain't tell you, but he's with me with freaknik, though. He's all, man. This is a tomato. Yeah, I can't, hey, Joe. I was like, hey, boy, yeah.

Mm-mm. I'm building a name for myself and I don't need my name over here. That's what I didn't need. I need my name over here. But no, Joe, hey, growing up with this dude, man, it was, hey, Joe, he told a lie and I like to call out lies. He said he beat the time he beat me in basketball. He ain't, he ain't ever beat me in basketball. I beat him, Joe.

I beat him, Joe. Hey, hey, hold on, OG. How bad you used to do it, my dad. Okay, so, so Joe, okay, so you ISO, Joe, I used to ISO back in the day now. So, hey, Joe, Joe, I was bigger than him. So, of course, I'm going in the post. So just so I could, we could make the game go longer, I kind of can't play him hard. So what he figured out was, if he, if he score first,

I'm going to win the game. So what he started doing was he would score and then run in the house and be like, man, I beat that big old joke. I can't believe that big Joe. I'm beat him. So now Joe, I'm hot. So now I got to go in. You know, I got to go in the house, Joe.

Right. I got, I got. Oh, Joe. Hey, oh, Joe, you know, he doesn't, he, he, so he, I got to let him score because now got to work on my moves because we ain't playing organized sports in high school we only playing me and him so i got to let him score so he's score one nothing so you know he's going to take it out he dribbled it two times he take off running to the house be that big old joker i can't believe that big that joke was sorry i keep boy you ain't going to never you ain't going to never play on

anybody team joe what that joke used to have me so high Did I lose, Joe? I throw the ball in the hog pen. He's going there to tell granted like a, like a tautile to tell him. Y'all done, your granny would be like, y'all done playing? Well, no, he threw the ball in the hog pen. You know what? Somebody going to either hit that boy in his old big mouth or they're going to kill it.

That's what they go. No, Granny, I'm going to kill him. I'm going to be the one to kill him. Hey, hey, hey, when you think back to them days, bro, like those are like golden days, golden times when you think back because they mold you into the people who y'all are today because I totally understand those type of... You know, in the times, especially in the last year or so,

having to go back and think about, you know, us growing up, they were so special, Joe, because at the time, you're thinking this is all, we're going to ever be able to do. You know, we're never going to be able to play organized sports. You know, we're never going to be able to really fulfill what talent we think we got. So, you know, man, let me tell you, you want to see some moves. You should have been there on 4th Sunday when all of us together playing dodgeball or kickball or softball.

Man, look, you're talking about athletic. Bro. bro, athletic was, I mean, it was an understatement for us just because it was one, it was, it was literally once a month that we got a chance to do it. And, you know, those times are real special because you're like, this is my NBA championship. This is my Super Bowl. This is my MLB championship. You know, this is the, this is the best it's going to get. So this is going to have to hold on for a month. So we got to put together this. type of energy and effort because it's got a hold of us for a month.

So yeah, it was very special times back then. Very special. You realize it's now that we sit down and we call and we think back to bending those saplings and granted would say, boy, y'all stop bending them saplings. Them trees, you're going to break them, they ain't going to be able to grow.

And we're sitting on there. We come on and say, you better not have to take them clothes off. You got red bulls on you, probably. And that we sit back and think about it, Joe, and no choke. It's like, and every time, like he said, no, he would, you know, we fight and everything. And I would tell my grandma, my grandma never punished him.

She said, son, it takes on. We never really falls. It was usually two legs past. I hit you. You start crying. And that was pretty much the end of it. You know, and then I feel bad because I'm peaking on a weaker kid. And I'm going to need him again tomorrow because we're going to be right back on the,

out there on the court tomorrow. So I can't punish him, but I got to let him know what he's doing. Right. Only for him. He was cheating. Oh, he was cheating. Only for. But see, you know how I get him, though?

I let him do something. I let him do something. And then I was threatening to go tell Pop-A. He'd know that be the end of it. Because, so when he cut me on my thigh, with the jeans, he had a, he had a, uh, uh, uh, a knife. And he was sharpened it.

He was sharpened it on the file. On the file. He sharpened on that chain's on file. Man, that thing was so, so he's like, see I shot my knife field. So I went to put on two pair of short, a pair of jeans, Joe. Man, that joke was, he hit me with it.

And I, I read, I said, dangling. Yeah. I felt with that. Down to the white knee. And I saw blood. Oh. Down to the white knee. Joe, I said, yeah, I got to tell Paul.

Oh, hold on. No, you don't. Hey, Joe. Yo, no, you don't. That's why I got this. I got this cut right here. Because I had to let him cut me back so he wouldn't go and wrap me. Yeah, y'all had to cut it back.

Oh, that joke and that would never. Hey, Joe, what kind of fool is this? You cut me and I can't get my cut back. And I get a cut back. I got a $2 bill and I got two-s and I got two-s and up. He would have never made it in the mom. That joke was, boy, he'd been giving up for the letter right. He would have never made.

But. Yeah. Joe, hold on. You think I would let that man cut me and I can't get no cut back? Damn. Hey, he said he got to get your gift back. No matter. What he did me, I stuck a pig fork in his leg.

He took it and stuck it right back in my league. Y'all are understanding. There is no right or wrong. When it got to Barney Porter's desk, all parties involved were wrong. There ain't no. There ain't no, well, you shouldn't have it, no, y'all both getting it. And just to keep from getting it, like he used to be like, hey, y'all get out of bed on Saturday morning. Y'all get up.

I ain't raising no lazy youngs. Y'all get up and watch the sunrise. Watch the sunrise. Yeah, y'all boys get up and watch the sunrise. I ain't raising those lazy youngs. Like, ooh, Lord. Hey, hey, who, who's,

hey, y'all ain't having when your grandma should tell you go out there and give me that switch and you bet. No, sir, we were never, we were never that lucky. but we were never that lucky hey our grandparents were equal opportunities they did their own hunting they did their own scalping

they did their own switch getting bro and no because they knew we wasn't going to come back with nothing of significant they already knew us that well so no we ain't ever had to go get our own but then but then too around our house you get hit with anything yeah I'm talking about you'd be like

I'm looking at at this light cord right here. And I don't know how many times the light cord got snatched out. And I'm like, hey, how do you do that? Hey, hey, hold up. O.G. Real, like, I'm telling you, man,

I've seen my cousins and them get beat with stitching cords, yeah. I'm talking about, I'm talking about, look, look, they get whooped so bad. I ain't even get hit and I'm crying. You cry because you don't want to get hit. Yes, you're crying because you don't want to get here. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we've been down that road. Absolutely. Yeah, we were, see, the thing is, is if somebody got in trouble, we all got in trouble. If he did it, we got in trouble because we older and we let him do. So we all got it. I mean, there was a, there was a line. Did I say, that's how I get it.

There was a line. You don't want me to tell Papa, it's going to cost you. There was a, yeah, that. The girl gets us, the girl gets us. The girl got suspended, somebody got suspended from school? Huh? Oh, who got suspended? Oh, so you don't know.

Well, you may not tell Barney Porter you got suspended for school. So they got to get on the bus just like they go into school. Get, so and drop off and just walk around the whole. Walk around downtown. Until school is out, get back on the bus and come back home. Well, you had to pay for my, it had to pay for my secrecy. Right. Oh, you know, pay.

Oh, sure. I should have killed. Hey, Ocho. Hey, hold on. How much you charged? Oh, Joe. In 1975, 76, January, I should have killed him way back then. Because, bro, that's joking.

But it was just like you were in constant. It was like you were constantly nervous because, see, the thing was is everything I did. I did with him. Right. Yeah. But he never got the punishment. the punishment. Like, like, not one-hirt.

Like, you know he did. I was just, but you let him do. So come in. Because you, you let him. I was his response to. Granny used to make him take, he wanted to go date. Granted say, you got to take. How am I going?

How am I going to keep him for sitting Granny garden on five? He's playing where imagine. The wind blowing in 700 miles an hour. We don't know what. could happen, but you're going to blame me. So I'm walking around the truck because I'm trying to explain myself

to him. Because I don't deserve the beat down. See, this is what happened. So I'm walking around the truck. My sister knows that the more my grandfather walked behind me, the matter he gets. So she's just like going to make the decision

that I should just go catching, hold him, so he can get this overweed. because the more he walk away, the heart is going to get worse. So. You had to tell you. I made a good little come up.

I had a good little hustle old show. Plus they were dating. You know, my aunt, Maryneux, she passed away. She was the one, and she would always take me with her. But she already knew large milkshake, cheeseburger fries, leave me in the car, when the hat part down, I'm cool. She comes home with this.

piggy bank, well, it was a smiley face. And so she would put the spare change that she came across in there, but it was for him. So, I should have killed him for the money back then,

but I didn't. There was, you know, it's tragic in some ways, just thinking about like we would get a gun. We would get the, you know, the shotgun or the 12,

okay to the 30-30 and we would hey granny we're going hunting she'd be like y'all be careful that was that was the extent that was the extent like every every gun we had in the house to the guild there was never

there was never and it never darned on us like you hear kids somebody had an accident he told you no time this ain't nothing to play with dead is a long time that's what he told me he said hey hey boy dead is a long time he said so if you go messing with he has 45 his army 45 on the seat he go if you go messing with this right here

dead is a long time now i ain't know what that meant but i understood that that gun was not to be touched and when you talk about our guns being loaded i'm talking about one in the chamber i'm talking we we ain't we ain't cocking nothing when we grab it it's time to go to work yeah we ain't cocking nothing It's in the everyone in the hole as we grew up. And we were, we learned how to swim. We all got thrown in the same clay hole. Hey, yeah, I'm throwing you in, get yourself out. But that was the thing, Joe.

It never dawned on us to go get a gun and play with it. Because he had, first of all, if somebody told that somebody went and got a gun, you're going to die anyway. Joe, well, wish you were dead. He going to kill him. Man, look here. But when Papa died, the guns still was left because my uncle James took some of them. But the guns were still loaded.

I was nine, 10 years old, Joe. I go get the shotgun. I go get the rifle and go down there and try to kill squirrel and shoot the birds or whatever, whatever I could. At 19 years old, what 19 year old you know now and go just get a gun, go get a shotgun, go get a rifle and just walk off and go shoot it. It depends on when you live. You got to be in the country with nobody around

where the next house is miles away. That's about the only place. Yes. Oh, and the chickens, oh, we got in the trouble. Hey, they could, they could have ruined me because I killed Papa Bard Rock. Woo, boy, they're throwing the rocks. But let me tell you something now.

Let me tell you something. My brother should have been a baseball player, Joe. He should have been a baseball player because what. I was asking with that ball. That was not rock, Joe. Yeah. Hold on. I got to tell the story.

But one day we came up with the idea for entertainment. We in the road, our outside the house is dirt road. So it's grass, you know, all the rocks. So, Oach, we come up with the thing. He about 30, 40 yards away. So we throwing rocks at each other. You know, we're trying to hit each other. But this is our entertainment, bro.

This is our entertainment. Yeah. So we try to hit each up. So I think once or twice I might have got him on the leg or on the waist So bro we thrown probably Six 700 rocks trying to hit each other

So I'm down trying to pick up a rock And you know how you get that That the hairs on the back of that weird feeling Joe I looked up It was like in slow It was coming in slow motion With nothing I could do but take it Hey it was one of the only times

I ever quit a competition. It was one of the only times I ever quit a competition, Joe. I was like, man, I was trying to find, you know, you're trying to get that rock that you can get that index fingers, so you can get that spins. And I was down looking for it. When I looked up, it was like a slow motion.

Hey. What nothing I could do. Joe, I could kill birds with a rock. They'd be sitting on a branch. Yeah. that joke had a that that day's

that Daisy Air rifle how long I had that BB guns making 50 years old it's got to be 50 years old damn I'm saying it's got to be 50 I would have the bird lined up on the clothes

yeah it's got to be 50 I'm 61 it's got to be 50 years old it's got to be 50 years old but let me tell you hey Joe's about this long That was Andy Oakley and all the other great shots. That's one thing he can do with that BB gun, dog.

If it was out there, he brought it. All coming back. I'm all coming back with Blue Jays, Red Cardinals. Thank God there was none. Thank God there was none on the endangered species list because he was killing them all. You killed a Cardinals? He was killing them all, dog. Everything.

I was saying, would you all eat? No, he was just putting them on the clothes line. No, no, not the car. I put them on the clothes line so they can see you. It's a trophy. Trofen. Trofen. That's a trophy.

I'm a trophy on a joke. I'm a big name on a joke. Hey, the Cardinal, but that's one for free time. Yeah, my brother had a bunch of them on the clothesline. And a bunch of the Blue Jays, a bunch of the Robbins.

He ain't about it. Oh, John, I'm telling you, when I come back, I got my team. I got my team. The Robbins, we used to call them,

them old Redbelly Robin. Yeah, he used to have the clothesline. He used to have the clothesline full of him. That's my name. You can eat a robin, though, Ocho and Joe. You can eat a Robin. Yeah. More big red belly, big fat ones?

Yeah. That's another thing, too. I was trying to get a squir. I was trying to get quail, but I couldn't sneak up on the joke. That's another thing, too. He talked about all the stuff he ate. I didn't partake in a lot of the stuff that he ate. Because I would, if, like, chitlins, I never ate a chitlin.

I've never had a chitlin in my mouth. After cleaning them, I was like, no, this is not going down that way. We're not doing that. Uh, hog mall, pig cheese, pig feet. I ain't ever, okay, raccoon,

squirrel, yeah, I've never eaten a possible. I ain't never partaking that. I'm not, he boogey. Okay, do without.

Like, do like the people, do like the people across the river. Do without. Do without. Okay, I'll eat. Hey, Joe, I'm going to eat.

Now, I didn't like no chillers. I ain't like no hog mow, but I eat some livers and like, I eat pig ears. I eat pigtail, pig feet. Nope. I'll eat collard.

I'm not eating mustard green. Nope. Not going to do that. I don't like root a beggar. Joe, if I can't, wait, that's what I got to eat is that or corn flakes. I'll take the carnation, instant milk. I will mix it in water and I will eat me some corn flakes.

Yeah, but you ate that alligator turn. I tried it. And I was like, yep, never, I promise God, never again. Now I do. What, the alligator? Alligator turtle. Oh, no. By big, a wide turtle.

Somebody's a stab a turtle? Yeah. Oh, y'all call an alligator turtle. Yeah. Well, you got a saw shell, which is, I mean, his shell like level is real smooth. They streamline. Long got a long pointed nose.

That's a saw shell. And then you got the alligator snapping turtle. Yeah. You got a tail like a, it got a red guy back like an alligator. How you cook it? Hey, hey. I don't. I take them out the shit.

Hey, that's a conversation y'all need to have when I'm gone because I don't even know that. I don't even know. Yeah, we ain't eating that. Hey, and we go fishing, Joe, we go fishing. And we catch them because we're going to have to clean them. We throwing the fish back. Greatest you have to cut your own ass.

I see y'all throwing the fish. Well, she must have called about 200 looked like in that bucket. But me and Shannon were throwing them on the bank. Save yourself, fish and save yourself. They were flopping, trying to get back in that water. Grady was like, no, this ain't throwing them fish back. It shows what you do.

Yeah, man. Nobody tried to clean all that down. I promise God when I left Georgia. I'm not cleaning another one. I'm not cleaning another one. Did we get together with our cousins and we came up with this bright idea that the little fish, we're going to bite the head off

and throw them back in the water. What? You all got to understand. It's entertainment, man. It was entertainment. Whatever you need to do to entertain yourself, we did it. Hey, hold on, Unk, so you bit the head of the fish off and threw it back in the water. Yeah.

Okay, okay. Damn. That's how it all started, huh? Okay. Nah, no, no, that's the only fish that had in my mind. Don't know. You go, oh, too. Yeah, I know what you're going.

Hey, listen, I'm, I'm going to keep a PG. I'm a, we got, we got OG on. No, he came out of the water. Yeah. At ease hell, you had them on the end of a hook. So, no, I see where you're going, but no, we ain't going there. I see where you go. We ain't going there.

Yeah. But now, man. Babe, man, thanks for stopping back. Give us a few minutes of time, man. You good? You good, though. You need anything? I mean, you know, I'm retired, man.

Old Paul Huntsler, can you some, you know. Hey, Joe, I see, you know, I see the show nightcap doing good. I was like, well, I think the show doing good. And then they were like, yeah, I saw. Joe gonna be joining us. I was like, I saw Joe joining the show forever now. You know, and then I'm looking around his neck and I see jewels around his neck, Joe.

You know, I see them. I see Jew, see, hey, Joe, this what we used to have is right here. We used to just, we- Yeah, they were old-schooled. That got stole. When they broke them out, they stole it. Roots and hair bones, OG.

That's what we used to have, Joe. But as you can see, you know, nightcap, club, Shee doing real well. Oh, yeah. You know, I don't want to get rid of my eight for because this is the only, you know, I've had this since I got this. The first thing I bought when I got drafted. But I like what brother got around the net.

I don't want the chain. I just want what it costs. But the chain costs, I take the money, you know, and do what I want to do with it. Oh, yeah. Hey, hey, he come a long way from the farm, man. That man got patiques on APs. Hey, Joe, Joe.

He got, he got. really good memory, but that joke ain't been back near the farm in about 400 years. I think we were all slaves last time. Last time I've been home. Did you come back after Granny Field? Probably 20, 2013, 2014 when Kiar graduated, I stopped by. Yep, yep, yep. Hey, we got to get out.

We got to get out there, man. We got to go, you know, we got to go hunting that. I'm not going to. What I will do. I'll hunt away my golf ball. if I do get it out of the fair way, but that's about as much hunting as I'm doing. I ain't looking for nothing that day.

Anything out there living in the wild, you good with me. You are good with me. All right, man, get some sleep. I know there's a big time difference, man. Get some sleep. Always, fellas. I appreciate y'all having me.

Pleasure. All right, man. Y'all be good. All right. 150 years ago, they were hunting us down to kill us, and now they're hunting, down immigrants to deport them.

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