Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc FIRES BACK at Asante Samuel, Tony Baker & Mannie Fresh join; Ocho has Ro Sparks

Episode Date: March 29, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the best pop culture moments of the week, including Unc firing back at Asante Samuel, Tony Baker & Mannie Fresh joins talk sports, movies, & music, Ocho finally has RO Sparks, & much more!Timeline:04:20 - Tony Baker joins the show18:00 - Unc and Ocho respond to Asante Samuel44:00 - Mannie Fresh joins the show1:02:00 - Ocho has Ro Sparks1:04:00 - Ritchie McKay’s viral haircut(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I can see you. Oh, that's it. That's it. Thanks, man. You got the light and you got a phone, but it's okay. The light too bright?

I got the space shuttle. I got the beam me up the helium here my man i can damn it if you're good you're good you're good bro how's everything everything good though man i ain't got no complaints man i'm golden i'm back on tour so you know getting getting getting my pockets replenished just bought a house every every morning as ask the man upstairs man to make sure that cup continues to run its over. You're going to be all right. Come on. Come on, man. I bought my first house, though.

I need every dollar. Oh, did you? Yeah, man. I just bought my first house. Right. Southern California. So you know they're going to charge you $8 million for one and a half bedroom, zero bath. Congratulations.

Tony, did you always want to be a comedian? Were you a class clown? Were you funny always? When did you decide to say, you know what, I'm going to be a stand-up? You know what, man? I was always funny and didn't realize it because I'm the youngest of three boys.

So I'm trying to crack jokes at the house, but my brothers would never laugh. They gave me nothing. So I would go to school. I would go to school thinking I wasn't funny. So I'm making the kids laugh, but it didn't even register. Because I was like, man, I ain't funny at home, though. And then, you know, when we young and we teens and we in the girls, you don't want to be funny. You trying to be all funny.

You know what I'm saying? You got the Jodeci boots on. You just like, yeah, they girl. They'd be like, you funny. I'd be like, no, no. I ain't trying to be funny. You know what I'm saying? And so I never really paid attention to my funny until I got to college.

And then that's when it clicked. But you know women like guys that are funny. But Tony, you know women like guys that are funny. One of the things that they say are sense of humor. Laughing right up out the drawer. I'll find that out later. Mm-hmm. I'll find that out later.

But let me ask you this. When did you get into the voiceoverover because that's kind of how i stumbled upon you you were doing voiceover cats dogs uh uh uh i forget what's the uh scotty scotty and how did you get into the voiceover you know what it was uh we always had pets growing up so you know i never lived without a animal in the house somewhere until i went to college and so i was always wondering what they was thinking about just looking at cats and dogs and like what y'all thinking about and so i did this uh i did two videos it was one of this uh goat in brazil

just harassing the hell out of everybody, man. He just crammed... Oh, real? Oh, Cramilton? Cramilton, man. He just... He knocked this lady over. He had grocery bags

and this dude tried to save him. So that was the very first one I did. And then I did this second one. This raccoon was eating out of a cat food dish and the cats was surrounding him, looking at him like he crazy. Like, yo, man, who's this man right here? And he them looking at him like he crazy like yo man who's the man

right here and he's looking at them and then he dip off and then come back for one last scoop and then he run off yeah

and so that's the one that went viral and stuff I was like let me just do these for real and I just kept

doing them ever since live hey you you had a comedy special scaredy cat can you walk us

through the creative process and the prep you had behind the special and how everything came about okay so uh i started doing stand-up in 2008 so um really my voice though was just a vehicle to get you to come to me live so um i've been doing stand-up since then so you know i'm just doing when i started doing stand-up i'm doing everything i can get my hands on man every every show every competition every bringer show i'm just doing whatever and so um i'm just accumulating all this material i'm getting up

every night dog i'm like doing multiple stages a night and so by the time i started scaredy cat and i met these cats and i I still work with Brennan and Tony at Transit Pictures, and they was like, yo, let us shoot you a special. And I was like, all right, you know. And so they put it together because they do dynamite work.

And so we went to New Mexico State. That's where I went to college. And we shot the special there. You know, low budget, guerrilla style, independent. Just shot that movie. So that's about years worth of material that we just culminated right there.

Tony, who is your inspiration? When you grow up, when you like, okay, take a little bit of this, take a little bit of that. Who are some of your inspirations in the comedic space? Well, when I was growing up, I'm 47. So, you know, Delirious was the first time. Hey, hey, hey.

It just blew my head in. What you know about that? Man, come on, man. Man, anybody that knows that was around at that time that special just blew everybody's head off and so that's when I first

took in a comedy special for real and then as time went on you know I was called Raw but then I started watching like comedy

and I was like Damon Wayans Stenberg and Jerry Steinfeld are my three influences with a sprinkler Bernie Mac so those

those are like, those are my influences right there. And so I feel like I'm a combination of those three that I mentioned. And because I feel, my mom don't know like a lot of customs, so we can watch them dad together. Right.

You know, that's what I was about to ask you because I don't hear a lot of, I don't hear a lot of cursing in your comedy. Yeah. I try to keep it PG-13 for the most part. Like I don't want to, I don't want a lot of cursing in your comedy. Yeah. I try to keep it PG-13 for the most part. Like, I don't want to get too clean because I don't want to get stuck in that box. But, you know,

so I try to keep it PG-13 so my mom won't cringe up. So, but yeah, Stenbad, Damon Wayans, the way he would just, like, storytell it through the character act out. Yes. And then the way Seinfeld like storytell and do the character act out. Yes. And then the way

Seinfeld just just details every like little basic human experience that we have

talking about socks for like 15 minutes talking about toothpaste talking about cereal I could do that type of stuff too. So those are my three influences right there.

I don't think people understand how difficult how difficult stand-up comedy is. I think they think people are funny, just stand on stage in front of a crowd, and it just works. Not understanding that the material has to hit, you have to engage with the crowd, you have to have stage presence. There's so many factors and variables that go in for a comedian to be able to stand up in front of people, have said material, remember said material, and the delivery to be on point yes so my question is how different is your approach when it comes to doing stand-up versus the content you put

on social media or do you just approach both the same way well uh the way i write is like i think of a premise like i'll be, I'll be at the grocery store tonight. And I'll be like, man, look at this lady right here. And then next time I get on stage, I'll be like, man, I was at Whole Foods and seen this lady right here. And so I write it in real time like that. I keep the premise in mind. All right, I'm going to say this. And then I start, I keep doing it the more I go up.

And then I edit. Okay. And do it like that and so uh because like the way my mind works i'll forget it if i don't if i don't like write it down or do it right yep and so uh that's my approach to like stand up my voiceovers and like the content it'd be in the moment man like when people people used to send me before i kind of stopped doing voiceovers because instagram keep pulling them off my page and i want to get my page deleted but people would send me videos all day long they still do and so they'd be like hey man hey so man did and so i'll look at the video maybe once, twice, and then I'll just think of the whole scenario. Like I got a voiceover where it's these two cats.

It's one outside the window and one inside. Yeah, hey, Curtis. Let me holler at you right quick. Yeah. Because the one outside looks like he's been about that long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He want Curtis to come outside so they can give him these tippity-pack. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He want Curtis to come outside

so he can give him these hibbity pats. Yeah, real. And so, when I'm looking at that, I'm like, oh, I got the conversation right here.

He's like, Curtis, man, why don't you step outside? Let me holler at you. And then, and then he disappeared for a little bit. He fell, he fell,

he fell. I'm hurt. I'm hurt. Help me, man. I'm scared. I'm hurt. Help me, man. I fell. Then you come back. Why you ain't help me? Help me.

You told me, Scotty, you freaking me out. You freaking me out, Scotty. You freaking me out. Yeah, man. And so, and I like production value, too. So, like,

if I do a voiceover of a giraffe running from a lion, I'll be outside running when i record it so you get to think like it's like it's really like that's what's really happening yeah like you can hear me running outside and be like oh man it's not like he's really running so some people appreciate those little nuances right give me tony give me a Mount Rushmore comedian. Okay. I'm going to give you... Top four.

Okay, I'm going to give you two of the ones I just named. I'm going to give you Stembad. Okay. And this is my personal one. I can give you a comedy Mount Rushmore, or I can give you my personal one. Hey, I want yours. Who are your Mount Rushmore comedians?

Tony Baker, Mount Rushmore. Gotcha. Damon Wayne I feel like I feel like his HBO specials are underrated we know

we know Damon is the legend yeah but I feel like his comedy specials don't get talked about enough man it's crazy

so I'm gonna give you Damon Wayne I'm gonna give you Sinbad as well I feel like Sinbad don't get talked about enough to be that funny and that

clean and that consistent is crazy. And his crowd work is bananas. Got them two on there. I'm going to give you Dang, man. Because I want

to throw Eddie on there but he only got two special but they was monumental Eddie yeah Eddie Murphy Eddie Murphy oh Murphy

okay okay okay he only got two of those I'ma be like I'ma slide him off okay I'ma put I'ma put him on the legendary Mount Rushmore

but since he only got two I'ma slide him off and then I wanna put George Carlin on there because yeah I love Carlin I want to put George Carlin on there because, yeah, I love Carlin. That's my boy. George Carlin, man. George Carlin, man, just, I can listen to him all day

and the way he breaks something down is just... Hey, I got all his specials. All of them. Oh, man. That dude was crazy, man. You got to... There are very few comedians that you go and see where you have to think. He makes you think.

He forces you to think. Yeah. And then not only that, not only thinking, you're going to walk away having learned stuff. Yes. He's very socially conscious. Yes. He's very socially conscious. He's going to talk about things in real life that you're dealing with.

And you think like, damn, he put that in perspective. You know who I think one of the greatest storytellers, especially of this generation? Chappelle. Who that? Chappelle. Oh, yeah. And he he could take the way he could diffuse our audience and talk about things that you shouldn't be talking about. And before you know it, his SNL, when he did SNL a couple of years ago, it might have been the greatest monologue in Saturday Night Live history. If you haven't seen it, go back and look at his monologue. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what's dope about Smith-Pell? The way his comedy transformed. If you go back and look at the Killing Them Softly or Early Specials, it was more rapid fire, more jokes. But he developed into this monumental storyteller where he's just listening. He's just like, man, this dude. Breaking it all the way down to where the jokes sneak up on him.

It's like, I don't know if that's made it more comfortable in his approach to where he could just be like, y'all gonna rock with me anyways, so let me just sit down. Take my time. Yeah, you don't understand, but his transition is just crazy.

Patrice O'Neal is another dude that I feel like. Yeah, yeah. Classic. If he didn't pass away, This transition is just crazy. Patrice O'Neal is another. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Classic. If he didn't pass away. Oh, man. No, no telling. No telling where he would have went.

What about prior? What do you think about prior? You know what I feel about prior? I would put him on the Mount Rushmore of the best comedians that ever exist because when you look at Def Comedy Jam, it was 27, 35 Richard Pryor's on that thing. He birthed so many comedians that if you were young and didn't catch

Richard Pryor and his Pryor, you would go back and look at a Richard Pryor special and be like, yo, this reminds me of Def Jam. That's because they were born from him. Asante Samuel saw the clips of us debating him in prime and he responded to us, Ocho. That's your problem, pimp.

You're also brainwashed at Shannon Sharp. I'm not worried about what everyone perceives to be true. Like yourself, I stand on facts. You have yet to talk about the facts. You can easily be manipulated just like everyone has because of marketing. I bet you won't debate me. the facts. You can easily be manipulated just like everyone has because of marketing. I bet you won't debate me. Big facts. Dana Sharpe, safety has the short

safety has the short middle. Nobody is in the deep but me and the receiver. You don't know the truth, pimp. You just talking out your with no facts. Let's talk or you scared like everyone else, bro. Hey, I didn't know he answered you like, okay, I like that. I like that.

Hey, listen, we can have a club, Shay Shay, right? Listen to me now. Stay with me. We can have a club, Shay Shay. DB edition. A good conversation. PowerPoint presentation style. Film up there to support each of your opinions and facts that you might have.

It ain't no opinion. He's not time. What are we debating? Let me finish, baby. Let me finish. Listen, I'm giving you the ultimate content right now, something that's never been done before, a format that's never been done before.

Two players, actually three because you're a part of it too. Three players. You got Prime and Sonny Sanders and you. You're one that loves to been done before. Two players. Actually, three, because you were part of it too. Three players. You got Prime, Asante, Sanders, and you. You're one that loves a breakdown film. He's also one that loves a breakdown film.

Now, just picture this. You think Cat Williams did a whole bunch of numbers? What you think you, Asante, sitting down, you know, going over, okay,

you want to prove it? Prove it. Die in the sky, don't lie. I'm just throwing the idea out there because the format has never been done before. I've given Coach Time and myself have given Atante Samuel more attention since he's been retired than he's ever gotten. After tonight, I'm done with this. There's nothing to debate.

My bad. There's no one going to say he's in the realm of time. He's in the realm of Darrell Rivas. He's in the realm of Rod Woodson or Charles Woodson or Darrell Green or a male blunt. He's not. I don't give a damn what he says about the film. He played more. Look, bro, you had an unbelievable career.

Congratulations. You're just not time. You're not time. You're not Rebus. Hold on. Did he make an all-decade team? Because time made all-decade, and he's one of the 100 greatest players of all time. Let's see his resume.

Let's see his body of work. I complimented him. I said, Ty, don't believe in wasted motion. The T-step worked well for Asante. I gave him a compliment. Let's see his resume. So he didn't make all decade.

Four-time pro bowler. One-time all pro. How many pro bowls did Ty and me? How many all- did Ty and me? How many all team? Yes. Same number of Super Bowls. But one guy was a defensive player of the year. One guy as a defensive back swung the balance of power.

How many DBs can say swung the balance of power? He go to one team to keep the other team from going. He go to the other team and keep that team from going. Bruh, you had an unbelievable career. You went to a Pro Bowl. You an All-Pro. You're not

time. And that's not a knock. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. But I don't know why you're getting mad at me. I tell you what, go find a GM, go find a coach,

go find a player that says Asante Samuel is the equivalent or better than time. That's all you got to do. Hell, your son won't say you better than time. And he a junior. Let's be real, man. You coming,

I'm the wrong one. What you doing? Where you going? I got that. I don't know what you're talking about, bro. I don't know what you're talking about bro I don't know what you're talking about I complimented you I said you had an outstanding career I said a T-step served you well

I just said you weren't tired That's okay If somebody says you know what Shannon You had an unbelievable career Shannon you were the A-pro boy. You were first-team All-Pro. You're an All-Decade player. You're in the Hall of Fame.

But you ain't Gronk. Okay. You ain't Travis Kelsey. Okay. But you ain't going to go to no other tight end than me talking about you ain't that. If you want to say Gronk, if you want to say Kelsey, Shannon, you not that. I ain't finna fight you. But you ain't going to go no more.

You ain't going to go no more. Because when I left, every record that a tight end could have, I had it. Catches, yards, touchdowns, most yards of the game. Hey, so hold on. Now that you mention that, when I'm going to come, when we factor in the numbers and statistics, does that play any factor in Asante's case? Or it doesn't matter?

Just curious. He had more pass breakups and fewer interceptions. How many pick-fixings did he have? All I know is when I left the game, I had every record that a tight end could possibly have. Ain't nobody had them but me. Now, they done came along and broke them. Gonzo broke them and Gates did

this and Gronk and this and that. But I don't know why he mad at me. I gave him a compliment. I said he had an outstanding career. I said the T-step for him served him well. Mm-hmm.

I like the convo. I like the dialogue. I would love, especially for not the casual fan, but for people that are fans of the game, I wish we could dive a little bit more. I'm obviously not here on the show. I'm just asking you, find a general manager, find a head coach, find a receiver,

because he talking like he was that. I guarantee you, when you find somebody that say he a top 10 cornerback, if we go back and study history, top 10 corner. So we got Time, we got Revis, we got Mel Blunt, we got Rod Wilson, we got Daryl Green, we got aneel Williams, we got Mel Blunt.

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I just named seven guys. Which one of those seven guys are you putting him? No, I ain't asking you. I just named seven guys. Which one of those seven guys are you putting him in front of? Oh. You heard me? Yeah, I'm listening. I'm asking you. Oh, I forgot about Champ Bailey. You put him in front of Champ?

You ain't answer the question. Are you putting him in front of Champ? You heard me? I'm listening, yeah. Where would you put him? I asked you. I asked you. Yes.

I'm asking you, where do you rank him? Based on what you saw. I just asked this man a simple question. I gave him seven, eight names. He told me where would I rank him? I just asked this man a simple question. I gave him seven, eight names. He told me where would I rank him. I asked you. Yeah, because listen. I get it.

You're going to probably bump into him. Hold on, hold on. Hey, hold on. It don't matter who I bump into. Okay, well, you got to be one of the guys that I mentioned. Brother, he addressed you. Why are you asking me the question? He addressed you, so I'm asking you where you're at.

I already done said it. He's not in front of Tyne. He's not in front of Revis. He's not in front of Rod Woodson. He's not in front of Charles Woodson. He's not in front of Mel Blunt. He's not in front of Nils Williams. He's not in front of Champ Bailey.

That's seven. That's seven guys. Okay. Now, dude, who is he in front of? Is he top ten all time in the history? Dick Night Train Lane, Emil Tunnel. Is he in...

Hey. Hey, uh... Uh... I'm just asking. He got all these facts. Who is he in front of? I'll tell you what. Who is he in front of of the list that I just named?

You name all time, like all time. He talking like he all-time great. That's the problem. Nobody got a problem with him saying he's not good. We're talking about, he talking about, you talking about all-time great. The guy that I list, he's at the front of the line. Time it. Mel Blunt, defensive player of the year.

Charles Wilson, defensive player of the year. Rod Wilson, defensive player of the year. There have been a lot of guys. But number two, one is at the front of the line. Yeah. He talking like he in that group. They're a group. Look, we go into a room.

And the Hall of Fame, okay. We go into a room. We all into a room. But there are certain guys at certain tables. We in the room, but there are certain guys at certain tables. We in the room, but we not at that table. He not even in the room. He on the outside.

Hey, y'all know I played, right? Yeah, but this for big dog. Keep it a stack. So I will chat. Y'all tell me are the guys that I list, who he better than? I ain't mentioned Pat P.

I ain't mentioned Mr. Sherman yet. I just gave y'all a couple of names. I want you to tell me who he better than than the list I listed. Who y'all put him in front of, chat? Y'all put him in front of Dion? Y'all put him in front of Revis?

Y'all put him in front of, champ? Y'all putting him in front of Dion? Y'all putting him in front of Revis? Y'all putting him in front of Charles Woodson? Rod Woodson? Y'all putting him in front of Mel Blunt? Who are y'all putting, Champ Bailey? Who are y'all putting him in front of? Asante Samuel? Who? Hold on. I'm trying to see I'm trying to see

What the chat talking about No I want you to see What the chat talking about You played against it What you talking about You played against Charles Woodson You played against

Pat Peay You played against Sherm I ain't playing against Sherm But you know I did my thing everywhere I went. You hear me? It was like Halloween. If I knock on the door, I'm coming to get some candy.

I'm asking you a simple question. Of the guys that were mentioned, who is he in front of? I wouldn't say in front of, because you mentioned you know the greats but he has he has the numbers to be in the room i know i know that much and you base everything off numbers when you talk about let me finish before you say anything when you talk about mj in comparison to my to to michael jordan when it comes to the base in any other sport we always bring up the numbers but all of a sudden the numbers are ignored when it comes to nowasing any other sport. We always bring up the numbers, but all of a sudden the numbers are ignored when it comes to now talking about the...

And none of the... Hold on. In comparison. He got four Pro Bowls. All those got... Hold on. This dude got four Pro Bowls. Listen to me.

I'm not finished. Okay. But again, now we understand, but when we do a comparison based on greatness, you know... I'll tell you what. Guess what? You have a former coach.

Your former coach had three Pro Bowls and 62 picks. You're taking Dick LeBeau? Oh, and you know what? What you know about Dick LeBeau? Hey, what you know about LeBeau's what? What you know about Dick? You just told me numbers. Yeah, I mean, listen, that's what everything is based off of, right?

No. Okay, numbers. Okay, let's go all pros. Let's go Pro Bowls. Let's go all decade. Let's go Defensive Player of the Year. Right, right. That's part of numbers also, just not picks.

Okay, okay. Okay, I got it. I mean, I look at it like this. If you get six picks and you give up eight touchdowns, you're done. Okay, I see what you're doing. I thought the job of a corner is to take away more than you give up. That's a great combo.

I'm just waiting on this man to tell me who is he better than than the list I renamed. Now, we're going to have, guess what? Let's have the conversation. Hopefully, Lord spare both of our lives, we're able to have a conversation another 10 to 15 years.

I'm going to need to see a gold jacket on his back because all the guys that I've been to, now, hey, Jalen Ramsey's going to be coming up. Richard Sherman's going to be coming up. Pat Peay's going to be coming up. Richard Sherman's going to be coming up. Pat P's going to be coming up. You see, what he's trying to do, oh, it's all about marketing. Bro, you played on the Patriots. Ty Law played

on the Patriots. Ty Law got a red jacket and a gold jacket. So don't do that bull job about marketing. If you, who was on TV more than the Patriots, Ocho? Oh, during that 20-year-old? During that time. Who?

Yeah. Oh, so now it's marketing. Time ain't no marketing, bro. Yeah, he marketed himself to know how to parlay that. But that man on the field, you better go check them tapes. Either you can or you can't. That's a great conversation, boy. That's a good one now oh

that's a Millie Brown Mike Haynes Mike Haynes got nine like nine Pro Bowls you better go check that's a great convo well let me grab me a water

Asante go ahead bro Asante you had a great career bro you're a good career, bro. You're a good player. You just said, all I said, you weren't tired. And you had to get personal. I don't know why.

I mean, if you wanted to come on nightcap to get your name out there, you could have did that. Hey, hey, hey, hey, listen did that. Hey. Hey, listen. That is a great combo, boy. You hear me? What's a great combo? This one? I like this. Obviously, it's not me as the individual, but

I'm just saying. Is he better than Stephon Gilmore? At some point, hey, Chad, don't y'all want Ocho to chime in instead of just talking

about this is a great combo? He ain't said nothing about it, man. I'm not listening to you. You tell him. This is nightcap fucking Ocho. We don't listen to each other.

We go back and forth. I've been chiming in all the time. No, you ain't saying nothing. I'm listening to you. Now listen. You see what he said, Chad? He's listening to me.

He addressed Shannon Sharp. He sent a long message to Shannon Sharp So I'm just listening Where did he address Shannon Sharp What was Shannon Sharp speaking on On what, on him On Nightcap Nightcap, Unc and Ocho Right, so is your job to answer back

I get it Chat, y'all see, Ocho don't want to chime in he for florida ocho might bump into it y'all know me i'll give a damn i mean and what is bumping i haven't what up what you see here's the problem here's the thing with shannon sharp whatever shannon sharp say on nightcap shannon sharp if he bent bumped into said player shannon sharp is mad enough to stand on that. Bro, you not Ty. You not Charles Woodson. You not Rod Woodson.

You not Darrell Revis. You not Mel Blunt. You not Mike Haynes. You not Daryl Green. You not. Facts. Now, of the 10 guys that I named, find a coach, find a receiver that says Asante Samuel is better than any of those guys.

See, the way you make it sound, see, you're being mean. Ocho. Ocho. You hear how you make it sound? You make it sound like Buddy was trash or something. I didn't say he was trash, Ocho. I'm just saying the way you talking,

like you acting like we just sitting here talking about some old bum. I'm just curious. Ocho. Who can I say? Yeah, I mean, listen, I played the game. Listen, I played the game. Ocho. Who could I say? Yeah, I mean, listen, I played the game. Listen, I played the game. Wait, stay with me. Stay with me.

Stay with me real quick. I played the game on the other side of the ball. So I know. I played against Prime. I played against Zant. I have an understanding of both and how good they were. Hold on. Great as Prime was and how good they were and what they great as Prime was and how good

Zant was. So it's hard for me to sit here and say, you know, the way you doing it when I saw it with my own eyes. I understand how great Prime is, but then I know what that young boy was doing as well when he was playing. All I said, I said, he was good. i said he was a very good player had an unbelievable career

he used the technique he used the technique that time doesn't approve of. Two things can be true. Yes, sir. Okay. Some guys like to play press and open the gate. Some guys like to press and put hands. Whatever technique works for you. But he was talking as if he was the equivalent

because he posted his stats and time stats saying, look at our stats. Right. So he's posting those stats as if he's the equivalent. And I said, he's not. I didn't say he wasn't a good player. I said he went to Pro Bowls.

I think he was an All-Pro. I know he won Super Bowls in New England. That's what I said. Right. He took offense that I didn't co-sign him. I don't need no marketing. I don't need't co-sign him. I don't need no marketing. I don't need to co-sign. I think everybody's known.

I didn't have an opportunity to critique time when he played, when he went back for those two years, because he was mainly a safety and he didn't start the game. Okay, that's fine. But I've never had a problem critiquing any player. I critique Tom Brady, Peyton Manny, you name a

player, Ray Lewis, receiver, T.O., Randy. I've never had a problem critiquing because I'm basing it on my not intimate knowledge of the game and film study. When I was at CBS, I would watch film.

How many times when I was at CBS or Fox, you ever heard a guy called by Shannon Sharp, don't know what the hell he talking about? No, that ain't what happened. See what y'all trying to do. What are you doing? That's not what I said. Nope, nope. I've never said,

I've never, see, the difference is, Skip tried to say I said. I've never seen the differences. Skip tried to say, I said I was better than Tom Brady. I said Tom Brady wasn't playing well. Why would I, as a tight end, compare myself to a quarterback? Okay, right, right, right. I would need to compare myself to Gronk, to Kelsey, or a tight end. That's the only way you can get an equivalent. I said, I said.

Yeah. Asante had a great career. Pro Bowls, Super Bowls. Now, God, like I said, you want to say, Shelly, you ain't Trav. You ain't Grump. You right. You got me.

Right. You got me. But I'm just confused. Hey. But look, bro, I gave you 15 minutes of fame. Fame that you never would have gotten had you not mentioned me or time. Enjoy it. Now, go back to your solitary life.

Nobody's going to. When was the last? I'll tell you what, Ocho. When was the last time? Prior to last night. When was the last time you heard somebody mention Sante Samuel. Take your time. I'm going to go get me some water.

Take your time. Hey, Chad, y'all keep going until it's rested. Hey, anyway, Chad, we back. It's a little upset. It's a little upset.

Other than that, it's a great conversation. I like it. i like the dialogue i like the back and forth i like players also what we already talk about having a belief having not not not only belief in what you can do and what you've already done and bringing it to the forefront bringing to the forefront and supporting what it is you've done in comparison to someone else who is also great and that's okay now a lot of people won't see it that way as as you can see it include none one thing i i will always do see

is if you were bad at what you do then i will always come out and say that but i played against both and i understand how good both were I understand how great crime was obviously catching him on the tail end of his career and obviously playing against Asante during his prime and understanding how good he was how much of a student of the game he was and what I'm not going to do is diminish what I was able to see for years while I was playing and understanding watching film I'm here and understanding how good he was and how savvy he was technically, you know? So it's different coming from someone that actually played on the opposite side and understand how good he was. You know, so it's hard to say, oh, he's not good.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I had to go against this. I had to go against that for years. So it's different. It's different. You know, especially a lot of people in the chat of some of the comments on twitter on x whatever it may be their feelings are always different as well because it's based off who you know and what they've done hey that was good i just asked you a simple question which oneoud of last night and today, when was the last time you heard somebody mention Asante Sanders?

I'm supposed to know. I be on nightcap. Every time a tight end break a record, who record they sitting there? The most 150-yard game, the most this, the most that. Every Sunday in the NFL season when a tight end does something, who name is up there? When they have them named, he just

passed this one. Who name is also up there? Ocho? Ocho? Don't worry about Ocho. Hey, Chad, all I try to do, I try to, you know, try to go back and forth, but Ocho, you know, Ocho Hey Chad All I try to do I try to you know Try to go back and forth But Ocho you know

Ocho's like hey We did We did go back and forth That was a good one though No you You laughing I'm saying for real That was a good one

I don't That was a good one Manny Manny Manny Fresh What's up bro What's up Whatanny Fresh. What's up, bro? What's up? What's happening, Chad?

What's up, baby? What's good? You good? Yeah, man, listen. I just left New Orleans, man, about three days ago. I'm feeling good. That's my second home now. For sure.

I saw you. I mean, I saw you claiming some wards and all of that, bro. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Every bit of it. Fresh, when you look back at your career, not that your career is done, when you look back at all the people that you've touched

and you've made beats for, what are you most proud of? Relationships, bro. Relationships. Better than the beats or whatever to bring people together and keep them together. You know, even like right now what's going on with my crew, like for us to get back together as men and go back out there 25, 26 years and, you know, and still getting. So I always tried to be the mediator for everybody. You know, even when I was doing a beat with somebody who was beefing with somebody i was like listen bro that's that's foolishness you know put that down and let's get it when like did you always want to be did you always want to be a producer what

did you always want to be in the music so how did this come about how did you get into and then it wasn't like you was just like any, you had some of the hottest rappers. Oh yeah. The Wayne's and the Juvia's and the hot, you had it all fresh. Yeah. So I started out as a DJ and even right now, you know, I'm a DJ. My dad was a DJ. So what got me to this was my dad.

You know, I used to have to hook my dad's stuff up. I used to have to, my dad was a street DJ. So, you know, like them holding the wall balls. Right. What a DJ do. Like, you know, like them holding the wall balls. Right. What a DJ do. Like, you know, a DJ actually puts you in a good mood. Like, you know, if your bills do, you're going through something, it's the DJ's job to make you feel good. Make you forget about that.

Forget about all of that. And, you know, and that spirit just came on me to be like, you know what, this is what I'm supposed to do. Yeah. And so outside of Pops, man, growing up, who were some other musical influences and how did they shape you or shape the sound? Your sound was different from everybody else. How did the sound develop you as a producer? Growing up in New Orleans, bro, it was music all over.

You know, everywhere you went, there was, you know, there was somebody playing something. So I just kind of put all of that together. And the way I call what I do is gumbo. I took elements from West Coast, you know, and down south and just made something that was mine. So, you know, you take a whole bunch of ingredients from everywhere. You know, when we was early New Orleans, you know, in the 80s, we like West Coast and East Coast songs. We didn't have our sound yet.

So, you know, and then Miami Bass came, and then we felt like the 808 is our sound. The 80s was definitely down south, you know, and I was like, okay. And I was like, let me take a little bit of this East Coast, a little bit of this West Coast, and mix it with some of this Luke. You know what I'm saying?

That's a good recipe. Yeah. Hey, right now, I'm going to think about the current state in New Orleans sports. You know, your Pelicans, your Saints. Yeah. Hey, right now, I'm going to think about the current state of New Orleans sports. You know, your Pelicans, your Saints. Yeah. How do you feel about the current state of sports in New Orleans? And what do you think, what is the vibe like? Obviously, during the season, I'm not able to be there.

I was there for Super Bowl. Yeah. That's my second home. You hear me? Yeah. So, what do you, why do you feel right now? One of the. Especially the yeah so one of the things you know let's just say new orleans is let's just say it new orleans is a party city so it's got a part on the athlete you know what i mean

there's a city where you know it never shuts down like you know so when you come there you got to come there with the you know like you got to be focused because you could easily get caught up into nothing close nobody ain't gonna tell you put that drink down you know what i'm saying and if you're athletes and you're hanging out with rappers it's just not gonna vibe it ain't gonna go right you feel me so yes that's one of the things we gotta fix like you know what i'm saying we ain't gonna say no the things we got to fix, like, you know what I'm saying? We ain't going to say no names, but we got a little bit of partying going on right now. So if we fix that, you're going to see an improvement in our teams, bro. Okay. Manny, when you look at it, you look at BG, Juvie, the hard boys, Lil Wayne, big timers.

How soon did you know that, you know what, that youngest one, the smallest one, he going to be him? Oh, bro, Wayne was the first one there one the smallest one yeah he gonna be him oh bro wayne was the first one there the last one to leave so you know when you when you when you and it was times where his mom might have took him out the group because he had bad grades or whatever and immediately he he improved you know because it was something that he was like i gotta figure this out like you know and he would beg his mom forever to get back into it but just like i said he and he knew like take for instance back that ass up um wayne knew to hang around for that song to get the last part of it to do that after you back it up then stop then what what what he was just like nah just this one of them you know what I'm saying?

And you get that from hanging around, to be like, I'm going to hang around because I feel like this is one of those songs. Right. So we couldn't get rid of him when we was doing that song. What about the bling bling? How did he come up with the bling bling? It was always a line that was used in a song.

You know, like he would. And I was like, that's kind of clever, you know, and I always thought like it was something that stood out about it. It was something about, you know, it was it was bling that, you know, Wayne was the first person that I heard to say bling. No doubt. You know what I'm saying? But it was something clever about it. So I just had I don't know, like something just woke me up and was just like bling bling. Every time I come around your city, bling bling. You know, when I wrote the hook, I was like, it's something special about this. Pinky ring worth about 50. Yeah. I was like, something special about bling. Yeah. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company,

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but not receiving credit. Can you tell us how the hook came out? Well, it wasn't supposed to get credit because I was just joking around. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I was in Circle House, you know, and there's some people. That's out here. Yeah, I was at Circle House, you know, when that happened. You know, I was with Bebe and them, like, you know what I'm saying?

And somebody just said, like, hey, bro, do you want to, one of the dudes from the guys who own Circle House, and the Circle, right? So one of them was just like, hey, bro, we, one of the dudes from, um, the, who the, um, the guys who own circle house and a circle, right? So one of them was just like, Hey bro, we got somebody in the studio. If you want to work with them, like,

you know what I'm saying? They working on something. And I just mentioned, you know what I'm saying? Something in playing like, you know, cause I think I was doing still fly at the time. And I was like,

Hey, how about if y'all try this? You know what I'm saying? I'm hitting the beat going, you know what I'm saying? It was like, going you know what i'm saying it was like oh we good i was like yeah don't worry about it you know and it was one of them songs where you hear and you're just like damn i remember that yeah yeah yeah yeah you know so in real life i'm not supposed to get credit it was me helping out okay but it's one of the moments where you say like i

never thought that song would have been that big, you know? And it turned out to be something huge. They took off. Man, if I put you under this gun and I say, Manny, give me your five best beats, what are they? That's tough, bro.

Yeah, I never even thought about it like that. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to say let's go from five to one. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'll start with probably go DJ. You know what I'm saying? Go DJ.

Go DJ. Yeah, I'll start with that. Give a DJ. I'll go from go DJ to probably, man, get your roll on. Yep. I'll go to get your roll on from there. I'll go to get your roll on. Let me see.

I would say them anthems. T.I., top back. I let my beat down low. Yeah, baby. You know what I'm saying? Hey, then where I'm saying? I think, hey, then, where I'm at? Damn.

I got two more? Yep. 400 degrees and back that ass up. Oh, that's classic. Classic. Yeah. Listen. How did you get linked up with Birdman and Cash Money?

Through me DJing in the club. I had a mutual friend that was like, hey, dude, some dudes are starting a label. Right. And I was like, I know of them because I DJed all over New Orleans. So when we met, I was like, hey, bro, I heard they had a record out already. But it was something that was kind of I was like, that ain't it, bro. You know, I started out with that. I was like, that ain't it so but if we gonna do this we go you know i'm like we gonna do it for real because i'm like i'm i'm all in i'm so we we finally got to a point where they

was like okay you know we we gonna get out the streets and we gonna do it the right way you know and when they made that decision we started making bounce records. And Cash Money, the first generation of it, was bounce-tort records. You know, it morphed into rap. BG was the first album that I did. Choppa City was like a rap album. And that changed the whole label. That changed it to, okay, now it's strictly rap on its own. Wow.

And I see them Wilfs behind you. What you got sitting behind you Oh, man This is my garage I got a couple of Rorys right here What? Yeah, man

That gets down For the get down Oh I don't wait Hey Yeah, let them Play it down, okay Is that an M3

That white Is that an M3 BMW Listen, what you call Let me bring you over here, man. Come on, let me bring you over here. It's a clown chute, a Z3. Okay, a Z3. The white one, the one you passed.

What's the one you passed? Nissan 240. Okay, 240. That's been a furious. Okay, the M3. What's that right there? That right there is an Acura NSX. Okay, yeah. Right here that's an M. So what is this? What's that right there? This right here is an Acura NSX. Okay, yeah.

Yeah, I remember them. Right here, you got a Corvette. Okay. Is that a split window? This is 6.7. Okay. 3 is the split window. You got a Shelby Mustang up here.

Okay. Got an Eleanor Fit. Look at that. This is a 993 Porsche. Okay. And you got the Ferrari right there. You got another one up there. You got another one back here.

Damn. Hey, what's that green? Is that a Porsche? Yeah, that's a Porsche. Yeah, you got the Rover truck right there. Okay, you got to have that Rover. Yeah. Hey, so you got a combination.

You like kind of old and the new. Yeah, I like a little bit of everything, bro. Okay. Right, right. I like that. Man, damn, man. Hey, can you joke your boy? I don't want to dj let you hook more like that i've been hustling for a long time

let me ask you this man who haven't you worked with that you would love to work with they dead bro marvin really you said marvin gaye hey all my favorite artists is kind of out of here already. You know? It's not. Oh, man. J. Cole. Let me say, yeah. It ain't too many people that I haven't worked with. You know what I'm saying?

I'm an old spirit, really. You give me Chaka Khan, I'm going to be all right. If I didn't work with them they they took something they sampled the music you know borrowed the music right right one way or another and i'm very grateful that it's like 27 years later and the world is still you know jamming these records man did you ever think that when you start when you was djing you follow your dad around to those old we call them juke joints holding the walls yeah DJing, you're following your dad around to those old, we call them juke joints, hole in the walls. Did you ever think that following your dad around and hooking his equipment up and you starting on your own,

that it would take you to where you are now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, bro. I'm somebody who I believe in saying it, you know, the power of words. I've always, it got on a lot of people's nerves that, you know, when you got somebody, you could write something on your refrigerator and they like, that will never happen. Like, you know, write down that, you know what, I'm going to have a million dollars. And

they like, take that, take that off, you know? And I'm like, let it sit right there. I need to, I need to see that every day. I need to keep on, but I was that person. Still, still that person. Feel for me is tell me what I can't do. And I'm approve your role. Hmm. I like that. Yesterday, man, if somebody asked us, which would be, which would look more awkward? Me with a beard or Ocho with a full head of hair? Oh, shit.

Both of them. Hey. Why y'all got twist, y'all? Why y'all got twist? Don't hold your head. That's you, Ocho. Hey, I look normal, though. Yeah, he do look normal, bro. You look like Old old spice commercial ready yeah hey look at me baby got with that splotch and beard that's you do for the whole spice

commercial it don't connect it don't connect to the goatee it It's off the head, way up the face. Come on, man. Y'all did me wrong. That's funny. My beard look like I got the mane. See, I still look the same with a forehead and a hair. Man, so what we got coming up? You got any projects at work? You got something?

Yeah, we on tour. You know what I'm saying? The Hot Boys is on tour. So, you know, look for us to come to your city soon. And the cool thing is i think we've done maybe five shows in all five we've sold out all the stadiums still selling out and there's no opening act none of that it's just us so like i said um i think we got maybe 20 more dates to do and right i i foresee like we probably gonna do 20 more after that. So, you know, we on tour right now

doing it big. Man, the biggest superstar in your city right now is Zion Williamson. Mm-hmm. He seemingly got his way down. They say he's like 264, which is as light as he's been

since he's been there. What advice, if you had an opportunity to sit down, and I don't know if you have, maybe you have, but if you had an opportunity to sit down with Zion,

what's some of the advice you would give him? Leave them beignets alone. Oh, little brother. But it's hard. It's hard to eat healthy in New Orleans. Like you said, you got gumbo, you got po' boy, you got etouffee, you got

everything, you got boudin, you got Etouffee. That's exactly what I'm trying to do. You got Budan. Destroy his athletes, bro. Yeah. That's tough. That's a tough one. Hey, man, thanks for joining us, man. We appreciate it.

For sure, bro. Thank you for all the beats. Because like you said, we gave you five, but you got 25. And you got anthems. They're not just beats. They're anthems. And anytime somebody pop those on, the club going to got 25. And you got anthems. They're not just beats. They're anthems. And anytime somebody pop those on, the club gonna get hype.

Thank y'all for having me, bro. Appreciate it. I appreciate it, bro. All the best. Thank y'all, brother. Appreciate it. Man, it's fresh. Man, man, hey, I might need to start DJing, don't you? I ain't got no garage like that. My garage got two cars in it.

A old-land, rare on BMW. He got some stuff, bro. He playing. I ain't got nothing. I ain't gonna lie to you, man. I ain't got nothing. Just do it like I'm doing it. Hey, keep it to yourself. You'll never see it on Instagram.

Oh, hell nah. Keep it to yourself. Hey, you put anything you put on Instagram On hell nah Keep it to yourself You put anything you put on Instagram They're going to try to come get it Hey bro, there you go So goodnight to y'all bro, see y'all Appreciate it, have a good one bro Alright bro

I'm going to tell you why I got good energy Not only did I take a nap, before I took a nap Even though I don't have a partner here You know I had to find out how these things work. Y'all should have talked to the Sparks. Y'all should have talked to the Sparks. Who? Who?

Hey, listen. Hey, I put one under my tongue, right? Yeah. I put one under my tongue because I just wanted to see what it would do for me. Yeah, yeah, man. My body would react to it. Now, when I ordered my Sparks, now I went through everything. Step by step. And I got

prescribed based on what I like, based on the questions I had to ask. Yeah. And it did wonders. And it did wonders, and I ain't even had nobody with me. Yeah. I'm on one of the Sparks just for the show. That's why I'm talking so fast, and I'm so excited and enthusiastic right now, and very

passionate about what we finna do. I'm telling you. Huh? Y'all got any crooked bridges in Florida? Nah. Man, I had one in my pocket. Right. And I leaned over there and dropped it in the water.

Yeah. The bridge straightened out. I ain't gonna lie to you. I swear to you. I swear to you. The bridge straightened out. I thought the bridge was, like, widened. Straightened it is. The brain straightened out. I'm like, hey, I thought the brain was like, why did it straighten it out?

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Find out if a prescription Rose Marks are right for you at rose.co. And you know how the rappers always spread money. Yeah, they spread their bread out like that. Yeah, I'm going to spread the rose out. I'm going to spread the rose out. Yeah. Let's go. Hey, somebody's daughter in trouble.

I don't know who. Yeah, yeah. Yes, sir. Yeah, somebody goes, hey, man, y'all better stay away from ojo your rear ain't gonna need a lining just saying stay away from him doc the liberty flames got blown out their first round of the 2025 ncaa tournament by the oregon ducks unfortunately liberty head coach richie mckay uh that might not have been the worst part of the night. McKay was interviewed on the sideline by one of the reporters on the broadcast. Ocho, take a look at this photo.

Yeah. Bro, does he not know that we know that that's free? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, let young boy live his life, man. That's that good Beijing. You hear me? But Ocho, but if you notice, you can't do it. You got, first of all, you got to cut it down some because you can't have that much hair and then have that.

He got that thing looking like Carlos Buzer. Hey, Chad, y'all remember Carlos Buzer went out there and had that thing slicked down? Had a nice little beard. And maybe he didn't realize it. And maybe because the light, you see the light shining on his forehead. Maybe it's the light from the camera that's, that making it look worse

than what it really is. So if the light I'm glad it got blown out. Because you, can you imagine had it not got blown out and this is a closed game and he's starting to sweat.

Ooh. Man, hey. Hey, don't do that. Them Baptist ministers, them Baptist ministers be up there in that pool pit

and they got that spray for their basic. Yeah. Start dripping down. Yeah. Hey. Don't do him like that. Don't do that. Man, I'm just telling you, them baptist ministers them baptist ministers be up there in that pool pit and they got they start gripping down yeah hey don't do them like that don't do them like that

man I'm just telling you Chad know what I'm talking about man he wrong for that don't you you can't go out there like we we now

you know what our counterparts might not even say nothing but I guarantee every black person that watch that has something to say always

you know we ain't gonna let nothing listen we ain't going to let nothing slide, especially nothing like that. Listen, on national television? Oh, no. He got that good Beijing. Yeah. Oh, and you see him in church. You ain't going to say nothing to church.

But soon as you get on church ground, you say the joke here and there? I don't know what he thought that was. Oh. Oh. No. You see the Joker here in this hair? I don't know what he thought that was. Oh, no. Hey, Ocho. You see that? When you start getting them cow legs and you might as well go ahead and cut it down. It's just a matter of time. Just let it go?

Yeah, he got them T-tops. That's them T-tops. You know, back in the day, you didn't have the convertible. You had the T-tops. And like the Camaro. The Camaro. Yeah, there you go. That's exactly right. Camaro and the Ryder. Nah, man. Hey. And he just, Ocho, why he just put it, he should have just put it all over.

You can't just, it's too tone. Yeah. He got his regular hair and then this thing here jet black. Well, listen, maybe, maybe, what if it didn't start off that way. Maybe it got like that at the beginning of the game. It went like that. Stress, sweating, and that was the outcome of it. No, if that game had been close and he started sweating,

that thing would have been all down his forehead. Hey, you remember Rudy Giuliani? You remember how he started sweating because he had that rinse in there? Right, right, right. He started sweating and that thing was all over his face? That's exactly what would have happened to him because that's that spray. That ain't that beige. I got that color.

You know, I ain't got that rinse. This here ain't going to sweat. But he got that spray. That spray, you get hot and start sweating, that's going to start coming down your face. Wait, hold on. Now you just said something. You said something. I ain't going to let that go by.

You got the Beijing, too? I sure do. For real? Yep. Okay, okay. I like that. I sure do. I like that.

First of all, there are a lot of people got it. You ain't about to be 50. First of all, I'm not Pakistani. I'm not Indian descent. So my hair ain't going to be jet black ain't no 50. Right.

And I ain't the only one. There are a lot of there's a lot of mofos on television. Right. Y'all must be come on now. Hold on.

Hold on. This is what you need to do. Now, this might be one of the reasons why you ain't been able to find you somebody. Somebody actually won't. Now, if you're in your 50s,

you know, women love a little salt and pepper. So you might you can stop. They can put it on their salad.s, you know, women love a little salt and pepper. So you might, you can stop. They can put it on their salad, but it damn sure ain't going to be in my head. You better put it on your plate,

your food. Every chance I get, I'm going to joke and color the thing up, joke, color it up. You don't want to, you don't want to just, you don't want to let the, think about how you look, though, with the all gray. No, I don't have the all gray. No?

Mm-mm. Okay, okay. Listen, I'm just throwing somebody just to give them a different look. Give the women a different perspective of you. That's all. I mean, hey, the chat have seen me. I ain't trying to fool nobody. I mean, y'all seen me a couple of times when I can't get back home or get it colored.

Hey, I got that gray coming in. I mean, I don't know what it is. Right. These damn edges. Hey, Unc, I'm telling you, you should try it one time. Hey, somebody use AI or something and then change Unc hair. I just want to see how it look. You might like it

Man women love A little salt and pepper Now You know That just let them know That you seasoned I am Hey

Look I'll fit yourself Mocho Yeah Uh uh But I don't know You can't do that though I mean like I said Hey

If he'd have had All one color If he'd have had All that We'd have still Probably wouldn't have Noticed it as much Right Right But like a lot of times They do that spray To have the edge Edge is crispy one color, if he had had all that, we'd have still, we probably wouldn't have noticed it as much. Right, right.

But like a lot of times, they do that spray to have the edges crispy. So what they do, they use that spray to get them edges crispy. Right. So it's a little darker than the rest of the head of the hair, but that's too much. You got that thing looking like shoe polish.

Hey, I don't know if you ever shined shoes on, Cho, but my grandpa used to have me and my brother shine his shoes, and we had to shine our own shoes. So I don't know if y'all know this about that shoe polish, but hey. Oh, man, that's funny. That's funny, though. That is funny. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The Volume. Others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content,

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