Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc GOES OFF on Jordan Love in LOSS to Eagles + Brian Daboll FIRING is a SHOCKER + Aaron Rodgers is STINKING IT UP in Pittsburgh
Episode Date: November 11, 2025Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Philadelphia Eagles going on the road to beat the Green Bay Packers on Monday Night Football, the New York Giants fire Brian Daboll..., and Mike Tomlin assess Aaron Rodgers play on Sunday night and much more! 03:10 - Eagles beat Packers23:38 - Giants fire Head Coach Brian Daboll50:35 - Mike Tomlin assess Aaron Rodgers play last night (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Ocho Eagles, 10, Packers, 7, a scoreless first half.
The first time in nearly two years that the NFL has had a scoreless first half.
But the Eagles make enough plays, a big play over the top of 36 yards,
Jalen Hurts to Devante Slep,
former teammates at the University of Alabama,
and that was really the difference in the ballgame
as they win 10-7.
Ocho, I'm going to let you take it.
Go ahead.
Unless you're a defense guy.
Unless you're a deep as a guy,
that's the only way you enjoy it.
Your microphone, where's your microphone?
You muffled.
Oh, shoot my head.
Hey, I'm glad.
I'm glad you said something.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah, yeah, I say unless you're a defensive guy, that's the only way you enjoyed this game.
That's the only way you enjoyed this game.
You expect a lot, you expect a lot of points, especially from the Green Bay Packers,
the way we talked about them before the season started with all the weapons that they have,
joy and love, actually continuing to get better, you know, year to year.
And it was bad, huh?
It was bad.
Saquan almost got loose a little bit, so I expected him to finally make, make his visit to the party
having a big game and do some and yeah and do some of the things that Jonathan
Taylor's been doing as of late but that didn't happen um it was a close game it was a game
where the team with the fewest mistakes was going to win the team with the fewest mistakes
were going to win and in the end there was an opportunity for green bay to be able to tie it
and it just it just didn't happen it they missed I'm not sure if you enjoyed this game
maybe you might have liked it uh based based on what you saw but I'm not going to call it the snooze
Fest because I was hyped before the game started.
Oh, my goodness, the Packers playing.
Oh, the Eagles playing?
It's going to, I thought maybe it would have been a bar.
It's going to be a barn burner.
Hey, it was upsetting.
Yeah, it left a lot to be desired.
I mean, we're thinking about two teams, two quarterbacks that's been to the Pro Bowl,
one quarterback that's won a Super Bowl.
He's been a Super Bowl MVP.
I don't think either quarterback played particularly well in this game.
I thought Jalen Hurts made the throws that he needed to make.
especially that big one to Devante Smith.
Could have put a nice ribbon on that bow,
a nice bow on the box had he hit to drop that one in the bucket to AJ.
I don't care what y'all say, Eagles fan.
Ain't no way AJ coming back next year.
But we'll talk about that another date and time.
I just don't get your love.
The mistakes that he makes, they got a third and seven.
You run the over concept.
I'm going to dangle this cheese out here in front of you.
hoping somebody go to the short route no right don't you throw it they did the
Eagles played it exactly how you draw it up I did they jump yeah they dropped
must grave on the old on the short route and you got the end cut coming in
behind him for the first down and he takes the seven yards when you need nine I'm
confused bro and and and I was like damn I wonder what um what the floor is
thinking and then he went looked at it on the iPad he said you got to be eating me
You've got to be itting me.
And then he's getting, I mean, he steps up in the pocket.
Instead of all these guys breaking free.
I mean, he got the Charlotte Cross breaking free.
He got the end cut breaking free.
He got the overbreaking free.
And he takes off running like he's Lamar Jackson.
Bro, throw the ball.
Ocho, the contract that he got, he earned that.
But he's not meeting expectations of what they happened.
And I told you, I said, even with this micro trade, are we sure
They're better than the Rams.
I've asked you that.
I said, oh, are we sure?
Yeah.
And that was a hard one back then.
It was.
To answer that question, honestly, it was a hard one.
Especially, you know, with the way the season started,
the expectations that they did have,
the expectations that we had watching Jordan Love
and what he's been able to do as of late.
I mean, you would think,
yeah, they're going to be right down running with the Rams.
Jordan Love is just a little bit too inconsistent for my fancy.
throws that he's miss nocho if that's a rookie quarterback or second year quarterback yeah i kind of
give him a little leeway yeah i kind of give him a little great but when you've a pro bowl
quarterback when you have the level expectations when you've earned the money that you're making
you can't make those mistakes bro you get in fact and you're going to do what you do you try to pat
the ball to uh josh jacob jacob okay they coming on a blitz you hit the guy leak out
either break out or break in you can't keep straight up the field bro you got to give him a
I ain't going to throw you to football.
Yeah.
This is why I can't coach, Ocho.
Some things they shouldn't have to tell you.
You know damn well, Josh Jacobs.
You're not going to run no route if you're sleeping out
and you're going to keep straight up the field.
You're going to break out or you're going to break in
because you got to give him my angle to throw you the football.
So I don't blame Jordan Love for that for missing that throw
because they're like, bro, if you break out, you get me,
I mean, think about it.
You got brawn on your hip.
But you catch this, ain't no telling how far you're going to go.
Right.
The Eagles, the one thing they're going to do, they're going to make plays.
They're going to find a way to get the ball.
I thought Green Bay did a great job of Jalen Hurts, get the ball, gets going,
picks up a big, and the guy comes in, punches it out.
I was like, okay, Green Bay, you might be on to something.
But you know, you've got to protect the ball for four quarters when you play the Eagles
because they're very opportunistic.
They'll find a way to get the ball out.
Ocho, I just need you to help me with one thing,
and then I'm going to let you go.
Talk to me.
It's fourth and one.
Why are you trying to go in a hurry
when you've already gotten?
First of all,
they missed your first,
the first fall start
on the quarterback sneak in the first quarter.
They missed that one.
The damn show missed the one
on the twoish push.
I'm trying to figure out
how can I see things
in real time,
the official that the damn game can't.
We'll get to that a minute.
They're not supposed to call it.
They're not supposed to call it.
They're not supposed to call it.
You got fourth and one.
Yeah.
This is the money down.
Take a time.
Time out. Give me your best fourth and one.
Give me your best four.
Okay, what do we like on fourth and one?
What do you like on fourth and one?
We got three options right here.
I like this.
What one do you like?
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receivers when they go when they go double tight when they go jumbo formation they got four
line they got one center guard tackle extra offensive lineman that extra offensive lineman is a
tight end you got to back your ass up you're the z receiver the guy to the open side now
he's the ex receiver boy look here sometimes oh chose what i get upset about some
Sometimes I'll be watching these guys play.
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Boy looking here.
This is why, chat.
I mean, it's common sense, Ocho.
You've got an extra lineman.
He's on the ball.
He's now the tight end.
You've got to back off.
Yeah.
The open side is now the ex-receiver.
Mm-hmm.
It's just common.
It's just so, it may, maybe, maybe it's me because some things you just, oh, Cho, you, it's just common knowledge.
I could just like, really think on the fly and just like, okay, yeah, man, I'm supposed to be on the ball.
I made the mistake one time and it cost us a big play and I promise I'd never be in that situation again.
I know who's supposed to be on the ball.
But if he lines up on the ball, Ocho, ain't no harm, no foul.
I'll back up off the ball.
Instead of having a play where now all of a sudden, we're having an ill, you have an ill,
legal formation because me, I'm supposed to be on the ball.
You're supposed to be on the, no, no, no, no.
You get on the ball.
I'll get off.
A lot of times, guys, I like to be on the ball.
A lot of times guys don't like to be on the ball because you're closer to the defender.
I like being on the ball because he's going to give me an opportunity to get my hands on you.
Because I'm going to throw your ass out of the way.
You know, you know what that tells me too long?
After after one, two, three, three, four, four days to prepare.
after three days of two days of real practice,
five days of fast Friday,
I mean one day of fast Friday,
that that actual play that they did call on that fourth and one
is one that they didn't go over many times.
One that they didn't rehearse very many times.
One that they didn't go through and walk through on Saturday mornings.
You know, when we talk about situational football,
in case this comes up on four down
and these are the plays we choose from,
this is the alignment that we need.
That's why that happened.
But they rushed it, Ocho.
Why are you, Ocho?
This is the most important, this is for the game.
Oh, yeah.
Why would you rush it?
I would, I would rather take a time out because the likelihood of you getting the ball back.
If, uh, uh, and if you do get the ball back, Ocho, you're not going to get it back with a whole bunch of time.
So now, and you're looking at the position that you're in, look where you are.
Bro, I'm like, you got to be kidding me.
You rush that on fourth and one.
Normally, Ocho, if I'm going to invest some.
I'm thinking this is my last.
I ain't just fit to go,
hey, put it around right there.
Oh, too, I'm going to think about this.
Okay, let me think about this.
Okay.
This is my absolute last here.
And it got to be,
you got to be the best option.
I mean,
the Eagles,
the one thing they don't,
they're not going to do.
And you can think about Siriani,
whatever you want.
They're not going to beat themselves.
They're not going to beat themselves.
They're going to line up properly.
The alignment is going to be
where they're supposed to be.
If a guy's on the.
ball he's gonna be on the ball if the guy's off the ball he's gonna be off the ball
defensively they're gonna be where they're supposed to be man man man i watched the
situation where they had uh they ran 22 men they ran what we call cover five ocho 22 man yeah
man i watched uh uh my uh uh uh uh mitchell man i thought it was a con foo movie
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i'm like damn son oh jo don't laugh back
Man, what kind of move?
Hey, what kind of movie was?
I thought it was a car food movie.
Ha, ha, ha, who, ha.
And he ain't moved.
Quick, and Mitch, like, stabbed it with one.
And he just standing up there, like, bro.
You got to be, yeah.
All that dancing is fine if you're at the disco.
But when you're on the football field,
you got to be moving forward because the quarterback,
because as he's going back and you're still at the line of scrimmage.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And remember, we're going to be moving forward.
we had the conversation.
Josh Jacobs said, we need a dog.
We got some good, we did,
and all the receivers got mad and they need a dog on you.
They need to go, they got, they got good,
they got quality receivers.
I think Watson is the best, but he can't stay healthy.
He got so much speed, he got hamstranged,
he had his knee, he can't stay healthy.
Well, listen, listen, what we're looking for
when we talk about a dog, they have such good
quality wide receivers that are really good at doing different things.
All this is a little fine-tuning up.
It ain't nothing but a little fine-tuning.
Well, they need to come see you so they can get to fine-tune it.
Hey, and let me tell you something.
Everybody, every, if you think about it, everybody that came in that wide receiver
workshop in July, you see what they're doing this year, right?
A J-JSN, J-S had my eyes wide open, being able to see him in person.
I saw him at Ohio State.
I seen him at the Rose Bowl, you know.
I saw him, I saw him a little bit last year, but I was not expecting this.
I didn't expect what I'm seeing now, you know, and just, listen,
Dubs, Wicks, uh, Jaden Reed, come on back down here, man, bring them, bring them boys with you,
man, let's politic together, continue to work on our craft, continue to work on our game,
and get better for situations like the day, for nights like the day, where plays,
where plays don't come, come often, and the ones that you do,
you got to make a difference these are the reasons why you get paid to me and these type of games
are the reasons why you get paid the big bucks look for me I think the way the eagles are going to have to win
they're going to have to win the game more on jalen hurts arms than say one legs as opposed to what
it was last year teams are not going to let him run while uh last year it seemed like every game
we've coming out here and we're like man how y'all keep letting this man hit his head on the goalposts
from 60.
Yeah.
I y'all let him hit his go head on the goal post twice from 50 plus.
Now there's like,
we're going to shut this water off.
You're going to have to get water elsewhere.
And the elsewhere is going to be in the form of Jalen Hertz,
his legs and his arms.
But they do a great job.
Jalen is rare that Hertz turns the ball over.
They got it out tonight.
You know,
they got him going down and then boom,
do get a,
get a,
uh,
with the peanut punch.
He did a great job of getting it out.
But if I'm the Packers,
it's a team game.
But you know the frustration is starting to get billed, Ocho.
Bro, we held that team to 10 points.
We held that team to 10 points.
We held Sequin Barclay to 60 yards.
We held the quarterback to under 200 yards passing.
That's got to be enough.
Well, it wasn't enough.
So you're going to have to find ways that, like,
you're going to have to create more turnovers.
You're going to have to put the opposing quarterback under the rest.
Now, great, that's a good idea.
That's a good offensive line.
The big right tackle.
He got Nick, came out, but you see when the rubber needed to meet the roll on that fourth down,
he brought his ass back in the game, because Lane Johnson, because that's how much it means to it.
But this Green Bay Packers team, man, they got to do some soul searching because the Lions,
hey, hold on, they got to, they play the Lions on Thanksgiving, don't they?
I think that's the Thanksgiving Day game.
I believe so.
Yeah, it's three games that day.
The Packers, Packers, they got.
At Giants, they got at Vikings at home, at Lions on Thanksgiving.
Hey, and just so you know, they got the Bears twice.
The Bears ain't no easy winging.
Oh, no, not, no, no, no, no, no.
Oh, and you go to Denver.
Well, they're going to beat, they're going to beat them.
Okay.
You see that pass rush?
Who you think got a better pass rush?
Us or the Eagles?
I mean, you know the Broncos pass rush is number one right now.
Exactly.
Hey, talk about forget the pass rush, defense as a whole on all three levels.
They got the rest of the game.
And the Vikings again.
The Eagles remaining schedule, lions at home, at Cowboys, Bears at Home, at Chargers,
Raiders at home, at commanders, at bills.
Ooh.
Hey, they, they, it's two games where you kind of, you kind of can almost, you know, with the way the Eagles play and knowing Jalen hurts how opportunistic he is and that he doesn't turn the ball over, it's two games you could already knock off right there.
The ratings of commanders, you would probably say, you know what, they're going to win those two.
Now everything else, what's up in there?
They got the lions at home Sunday night.
Then they go on the road and cowboys.
They get the bears at home.
That's a Thursday night game.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That's a Friday game.
It's Black Friday game.
Then at Chargers, which is a Monday night game,
or the Raiders and the commanders, the bills,
we don't know what bills we're going to get.
Would Josh Allen protect the football?
Because when he doesn't protect the football,
they're very average.
Look at the games that they lost.
They lost to Atlanta.
Josh turned the ball over.
They got blown out.
What was it, 39?
They lost Sunday to the Dolphins.
What happened?
Turn the ball over.
Hey, they got to be there.
Not only turn the ball over,
but the damn dolphin jumped out on them.
They jumped out on them and having to play from behind.
And how did they jump out of your mistakes?
Got a turnover.
Turn over.
You got to take care of the football.
Look, I think the thing is we've done it.
We've kind of built these games up, Ocho.
We saw early on, we see how the Packers look.
We see all the Eagles look.
And we were expecting, same thing last night.
We thought, oh, man, we're going to get some point.
No, no, no, no, we're not.
So I'm just going to like, you know what?
I'm going to have no moving forward, chat.
I'm going to have no expectations of games going in.
If they score 75 between the two of them, I'm happy.
If they score 12 between the two of them, I'm happy with that too.
So I'm done with the expectation to get my hopes up because this was some bulljive tonight.
Hey, let me tell you, it was some bull drive.
And one thing you said, one of the reasons why you can't coach,
But in a Bible, in a Bible that says, order my steps and by in which a way I should walk.
And in God, these people, Brian Dayball, Brian Kelly, you know, these people keep getting fired and we keep talking about it.
And you're really not seeing God's vision.
You're not really getting the message because he's not sending it clear enough to you, but it's clear enough to me.
And he's trying to order your steps, but you refuseing to walk in the path in which he's creating for you,
which is a head was he the head coach that in for me see the Eagles remaining schedule chat is
come home the lions they got the lions uh Sunday night and then they're at the cowboys
then they get the bears on a black Friday and then they got the uh charges on Monday night
and then they have the Raiders and the commanders and then they're at the bills uh on the 28th
commanders and then there are commanders which will be we don't know where that's going to be
probably nothing um because at that point in time the commanders will be eliminated from the playoffs
and so nobody's going to they're not going to get flexed into a sunday night or anything else
of that nature so that's where the eagles are the eagles have the lion's sunday night at cowboys
bears at home at charges on monday night uh raiders at home at commanders at bills commanders at home
So they got a formidable schedule,
but they get to have the type of team.
They've been here.
They're battle tested.
So they're not going to be,
they're not going to get too high.
You know,
look,
it's a big time win on a Monday night.
It got a,
and hey,
I'm sure Seriana's telling them
it doesn't get any easier.
We got a tough one again next Sunday night.
We played Monday.
We got a short week.
So,
and the thing is that, you know,
the thing with the NFL now,
OCHO, they're breaking down film.
So, hey, you can get your IP,
you can get your iPad right now
and start going,
and over what the lions like to do.
Hey, on, on the plane, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't have it like that,
old Joe. We weren't able to get stuff until Monday.
You know, they'd have a couple of, uh, cutups already broke down for us and
we could see certain things now right, you get a head start.
They don't got a head start.
They're working ahead of schedule, but the Eagles moved to seven and two.
Uh, the Eagles have, if the playoffs were to start now, the Eagles would be the
number one seed, Seahawks would be number two.
Lions number three, Tampa number four, Rams,
even though they have a tie for the first best record.
Seahawks, actually Seahawks have the tie break over them.
So the lions would be in the fifth seed,
the Bears would be the sixth seed,
and the Packers would be because of five, three, and one,
they would be the seventh and final seed.
So that's what we are with that right there.
Packers remaining schedule,
at Giants, Vikings at home, at Lions on Thanksgiving, Bears, home, Broncos on the road, bears, at bears, at Bears, at Bears, at Bears, Ravens at home, at Vikings.
So, that's a formidable schedule right there.
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Dayball 2040 and 1 as Giants head coach,
his 336 winning percentage puts him behind Ben,
uh, Ben McAdoo, no, he had a bunch of a cheesecake factory,
that big menu he had.
And Ray Perkins, uh,
Fire two of, uh, fire two of the three head coach, uh, coordinators and flip, flop, play calling with others.
Replaced five or nine position coach, started seven different quarterbacks, had a renting record with none of them.
He's fired as the Giants because he didn't win.
It's really, it's really that simple.
No owners, uh, uh, John Marron, Steve Tisch, you fail.
How's the general manager still there?
Because he hired him.
How is he still there?
Daniel Jones is gone.
Sequin Barclay is gone.
He drafted Evan Neal.
So you think you're going to get an improved product.
When the general manager, the guy that's making all the decision, he's still there.
I'm not saying Brian Dayball should or should not have been fired.
We'll discuss that at a minute.
But I'm trying to figure out how Shone has been able to keep his damn job.
Hey.
Honestly, regards to what coach comes in there,
they're probably going to get fired.
They've gone through multiple coaches.
Yeah.
They've been going through multiple coaches.
And for Brian Dayball to get fired,
it's kind of somewhat understandable.
He's had leading games and multiple games this season.
He had leading games early in the game,
and they lost on the back end.
They lost on the back end.
I'm talking about bad games that they should have continued
to be able to have.
some type of success after having the leads they've had
and they squanded every like everyone you mean you didn't win not one of those
I think they had four degrees going into the fourth quarter right yes I mean
they had a 26 eight 26 nine lead over the Broncos they had a 2010 lead over the
Bears they had to leave with the Cowboys with like 14 seconds the guy comes
on your a big big field goal and they end up winning in an overtime
time, yeah.
Oh, here it is.
Week two, they led 13, 3, lost 40 to 37.
At the Saints, they led 143, lost 26, 14.
The Broncos, they led 26 to 8, lost 33, 32.
With the Bears, they laid 20 to 10, lost 2420.
Yeah.
And one thing about it, we always say coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches.
You can have 100 coaches, 100 different coaches coming there.
and all the 100 are going to get fired.
Yeah.
All 100 are going to get fired.
And listen, some accountability has to be put on the players as well, you know,
but obviously the coaching staff too.
And the one person who oversees all that is Brian.
So at this point, it was time.
No, Brian don't coach the team.
He ain't got no say.
He probably didn't have any say over the Final 53.
He probably had no say in free agency.
He probably had no say in the drive.
Hell no.
He happy to have a job.
Hold on.
So it sounds like somebody, they run this over there like, like, like, like that team.
They got that star in here.
Of course.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
That's why I laugh when Jerry told me he thought about hiring Sean Payton.
Man, you actually think Sean Payton's going to come in there and the only thing he's going to be as a coach.
He ain't going to have no sale to final 53.
He's not going to have any sale with a draft.
He's not going to have any sale free agency.
He's just going to stand there and coach.
And then when things go wrong, they're going to blame him.
Just like all the coaches he fired.
How many coaches have he had since he fired Jimmy?
who took a message with it
he had who that
Dave Campo
he had Dave Campo
he had
Chan Gayley who was my old position coach
he had Wade Phillips
Jason Garrett
Mike McCarthy
now he probably had more than that
right
until
you know hey John Mary
you know what you have a lot to say
about what the fans
what the fans were saying
because you was reading all their mail
when they were calling in
and talking about Cap and all that
you read the mail.
Let's read some of the mail
of what they're saying about you.
See, if they're happening with you
and what you've been able to do
with this franchise.
Yeah.
Because y'all ain't,
y'all have been close.
Since y'all got rid of,
since Eli retired,
you bungled that.
Eli had all those consecutive starts.
Then you start Gino
and then you start Eli again
after you don't break the man's street.
And they did that.
Of course they did.
You know, you know what they're doing.
Oh, Barry Switzer.
Barry Switzer came after Jimmy.
So it was Barrett Switzer.
Then I think it was Parcells.
Campo.
Oh, they had 10 coaches.
Okay.
So Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer,
Chan Galey, Dave Campo, Bill Parcells,
Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett,
Mike McCarthy, Brian Shotton.
Okay.
Jimmy Johnson had a 550, a 50 winning percentage.
Barrett Switzer had 625.
Chan Galey was 18 and 14.
Dave Campo was 15 and 33.
Bill Parcells was 34 and 30.
Wade Phillips was 34 and 22.
Jason Garrett was 85 and 67.
Mike McCarthy was 49 and 35.
And Brian Schottonheimer right now is 3, 5 and 1.
No, but, no, but what we're saying is that ownership plays a large part in the success of a team.
I'm glad you just said that.
Look at all the teams that consistently win.
The chiefs.
Look at the chief.
Look at the Ravens.
Look at the Patriots.
Yep, the Ravens.
Well, obviously, I'm going to throw the package in there because they're a winning organization, not actually going, not actually,
you know, getting
Lombardi trophies
but always being in contention.
Always being in contention.
And another thing, if one thing
that can overcome bad ownership
is a great quarterback.
Yeah, but you got to pick him
and sometimes they'll mess that up.
Hey, yeah, that too.
But having a great,
having an elite quarterback
can overcome some of the bad decision making
that happens all the way upstairs.
I think the problem that Coach DeBah
ran into, Ocho, is that
he realized early on
the only guy that can save my,
job is the quarterback that we drafted in the first round.
But in the process of doing that, he put him in harm's weight.
Cause, Ocho, if I'm drowning, I don't give it down by drowning you to save myself.
I'm trying to keep my head above water.
So if that means you got to go down, I got to stand on your shoulders.
So be right.
And that's what he did.
He put this kid in the harm's way because he's trying to save his job.
Because at the end of the day, yeah, I drafted him.
Hell, I want to coach him.
Mm-hmm.
So, and so in the process of putting him in harm's way,
he subjected him to some hits.
Jackson Norton, I said this,
and now I was early on, man, the chat,
they always wanna let somebody live.
Now you got your guy in the blue tent,
damn near every game.
Because you wanted to let him live.
You like that fire.
I want my quarterback to have energy.
Okay, now look at your quarterback.
Y'all still like that, John's player?
Because you have a lot to say.
I said, you can't run like that.
that you can't know you can't have your quarterback being susceptible to those kind of hits that's
why they're protecting his ass in the pocket once he leave the pocket tee off on him he's a running
back now look at it but y'all had a lot to say we had that kind of energy in a long time and you
might not have it again hey listen hey honestly too and as a as a fan of the game but but watching
jackson dart once he came in but that yes absolutely it was a
But you've got to be smart, though, Ocho.
Yeah, you do.
Now, that comes on him, and that's going to come.
He's going to get that with experience and understanding.
You've got to pick and choose your battles.
And when you pick me, buddy, you got to pick them wide.
Well, I hope they knock some sense into it because they damn don't knock some marbles out of it.
Oh, yeah.
You got to make business decisions.
You got to make business decisions when you got that ball in your hands.
And you cross that threshold and you become a runner.
Man, them, eh, them boys is not playing with you out there, man.
This is not college.
them grown men
They're trying to break you
Because that's their opportunity
Because they can't hit your ass in the pocket
Like they want to
But what they can do is tee off on your ass
When you're out of the pocket
Absolutely
They give you something called a protection
Where you can slide and they can't touch you
Now you try to be a hero
And I get all that
You get up and get the fire
Get the first down and you do all this
And you get the crowd hiking and all that
Okay
Okay Billy Badass
I've seen it
I know what they're going to do
oh yeah
quarterbacks are not used to taking hits like that
they're not built to take hits like that
so why would you subject yourself
to taking that kind of punishment, Ocho
you're not going to take that kind of punishment
hold on and it's a funny thing about it
and some of the play calling ain't helping no
some of the play calling
didn't I just tell you I'm driving
hell yeah
trying to save my damn self so if you drive it in the process so be it oh chope yeah long as you
save my ass thank you why you think he calling those flays oh joe and and and and i get it i get it
but jackson dart needs to be smarter and they need to put an emphasis right also hey son get down
you get the first down hey i get it it's it's the crowd crowd gets energized but the crowd to get you
effed up.
Yeah.
They get you effed up.
A, trying to do, trying to do,
a trying to do what they want, huh?
Yeah.
You're exactly right.
Let me ask you a question,
don't you?
Who do you think will be a good fit?
Who do you think will be a good fit for the Giants?
No.
Okay.
I see how much money they take from your New York.
You make,
on $1.5 million, you bring home
$747,000.
Kick rocks.
Yeah, you're right.
Can I coach from a Vegas?
I do have all my meetings from Zoom.
I'm trying to think of a collegiate coach
that would resonate very well with growing men
that are in the inner, hell, brother, Lane Kiffin, huh?
Lane, you like John Gruden?
Yeah.
Oh, Lane Kiffin to John Gruden?
That's the only two I can think of off the top of my head.
Mike McCarthy, I heard Mike McArthur.
Carthy name thrown around.
What about, what about, uh,
Hey,
for that city, though,
that city,
that city,
that city needed a coach like a Lane Kiff and a John group and that's a,
a little bit fiery,
you know,
a little bit has,
has a little personality to him.
Uh,
the offensive.
I think they would fit for Washington.
He was the head coach in,
uh,
in Arizona.
Cliff Kingsbury.
What about Cliff Kingsbury?
Now, he normally works really well
with mobile athletic quarterbacks.
We saw what he did with Kyle.
We saw what he did,
what he's done for Jayden Daniels.
But would he work with a Jackson Dart?
A guy that's mobile.
He's not quite as athletic as Daniels and Kyle.
But that might, hey,
what are you like?
well I mean the thing is it might be a part I mean the question is his thing is they threw it out
because you know what the commissioner wanted to hear it like no you're not going to do that
you're not going to be the arbitrator man suing you and you hear your own appeal no hell no so the question
is with the NFL how is that going to play out because this thing's going to court so do they get
a settlement and a part of the settlement he can come back in coach or is it a situation where
we're going to get you money and you're done
you can cover the league but you're not going to coach in the league
I like
I like the John Gruden route
John Gruden and obviously Lane Kevin who coached him in college
I think that you just not hear what I said
he has a pending lawsuit
against the NFL
Let me tell you
There are certain rules that have been
Regardless of stuff like that going on
Well they can make it happen
If the NFL says, we're going to offer you a settlement,
but you cannot coach in the NFL.
Oh, okay.
Well, hell, you know who else has the lawsuit against the NFL
and it's still coaching?
Brian Florence.
BF over there in the middle?
Yeah.
Yeah, he's coaching.
Is he a head coach?
Okay.
Now, the question is he's had good defenses.
You think he's going to get a job with that lawsuit?
Who's going to hire him?
Because you do realize if he sued the league, who is he suing?
One of those owners.
All the one owners, yeah.
So it's going to be a very interesting situation to see how this plays out.
It's kind of like, Ocho, I got a lawsuit to get you, but I want my job back.
Nah, you go ahead and take this money and go ahead on.
You ain't get no job back.
Hey, but honestly, knowing, knowing how the NFL works,
understanding the ecosystem that they do have
that that brotherhood they have amongst each other
I could still see
you know things working itself out in ways
we won't be able to explain
well if the lawsuit goes away it'll be explained
but it's just hard for me to see a scenario
okay this man got he won't 60 he won't 100 million
they say you ruin my reputation by leaking this stuff
right and you cost me $60,70 million dollars
that would level
on my contract.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, all that was all that's off the tapes.
You found a 10-year, $100 million deal.
$100 million deal.
Yeah, I remember that, but I thought he was still getting paid regardless.
No.
You don't give it.
They bought anything else.
Mark Davis didn't want to.
He said he didn't want to.
He said the NFL forced him to.
Forced him to do it.
Yeah.
Uh,
I hear people talk about Clint Kubiak,
the officer, the offensive coordinator.
Because get, he was the offensive coordinator
in Minnesota last year.
With who was his quarterback in Minnesota?
San Donald.
He's the officer coordinator in Seattle.
Who's his quarterback?
Oh, Sam Donald.
It's funny how that work too, right?
He's going to get some strong consideration.
You know, that's the head coach.
Hey, Clint, let me get a job.
Do you really, you have to understand also Clint has to look at the landscape of the New York Giants.
Understand what you're working with.
Understand what you had when you was out there in Minnesota.
It made things easy.
Oh, Cho.
You know, understand, understand the weapons you have around you now that you were over there in goddamn Seattle.
Seattle.
Yeah, now do you want to come and start all over in New York?
you do have Jackson Dard who was very exciting
Scatterball will be back next year
Malik Neighbors
but he should be fine by the start of the season
on. Who? Malique.
Yeah, he should be. He definitely should be.
But here's the thing to Ocho.
Ocho,
that's still a gold standard franchise
and my first head coaching job
is going to be with the New York Giants.
Who turns that down?
You just saw, you just saw,
What's the guy that was at Philly last year?
Yeah.
He was at Dallas OC for a long time.
Kellen Moore.
Oh, Joe.
He took New Orleans.
He took the New Orleans job.
Give it a choice.
You take New Orleans or you're taking the Giants.
Right.
I got you.
But see, it's so.
it's so few times that those opportunities
present themselves, you have to take them
when they do.
Yes!
You have to take them when they come.
Hmm.
But that's a bad, that's a bad one to go into.
Where was Klein Kubi at?
Because Kuw got three or four boys.
I know Clinton Klein, both of them coached,
but Klein,
He was play calling somewhere.
He's at the Cowboys?
Where was it last year?
So he's still there?
Okay.
He's their national talent.
Okay.
Have you got any other sons coaching?
Yeah, or don't see what I don't know.
I just know those two because they were little kids when I was,
when Koo was with me in Denver, because, uh, they were probably like five or six
when I got to Denver.
Maybe they were small, really, really, really young.
But look, there's going to be some names that's going to be, play.
He's the Opie at the Niners.
He was, yeah, he was going to have he been at the Niners?
Okay.
Okay.
You see how that thing, you see how that thing, you see how, you see how that ecosystem
to feed himself, Ocho.
Oh, hey, but listen.
I'm listening to you, I'm listening to ass run off all the names
and the different places that they're at.
Hey, it's amazing.
All those guys, hey, Coob, hey, Mike gave Coob his start.
When Coove got the job at the Houston, Texas, right.
Kyle was his O.C.
Mm-hmm.
Now, then everything, he had,
when they was in Washington,
Kyle was the O.C.
Sean McVeigh was there.
Mike McDaniel was there.
Rahim Moore was,
Rahim Morris was there.
Go back and look at all those guys
that was there.
And all they do is,
hey.
Yeah.
They do.
Well, hey, it's easy on them
because the wife taking care of
because they made not one
parent-teacher conference.
They didn't be to no recital.
They've been to jazz.
But it's tough, man, because, hey, coach is like, hey, you leave home and one, the next day, they graduate in high school.
You don't, you don't miss damn near everything.
Hey, it goes by fast.
And so, but I think they're going to be, they're going to be a lot of available candidates.
It's going to be interesting to see, like, how these lawsuits play out with Brian Flores, how they play out with John Gruden.
You know, like, I, I think they're going to be, you know, Clint Kubiak is going to get.
he's going to get some looks.
The way that office,
the way the office looked in last year,
and the way it's looking now.
Yeah.
Hey,
but will you be able to make that offense over there in New York look like that?
The Rams D coordinator.
They ball it out.
Hey,
I'm,
it just makes sense.
Paring the quarterback rehab,
because where he had success in college,
it just makes it makes too much sense to me.
And bringing in brother,
brother Kiffin from,
from Ole Miss.
No,
I wasn't okay without,
y'all hear what y'all want to hear.
No,
no,
they,
oh, but you was okay with the Broncos
scored 10 points.
No, I wasn't.
I was living at,
they only scored 10 points against that team.
Oh,
but I get it.
I get it.
I'm a Bronco.
You didn't tune in,
you didn't tune in that night,
but you're tuning in now.
And so you hear me talk about the offense
scoring,
uh,
offense only scoring 10 points or seven points.
I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
You're right.
I didn't.
I did though.
Everybody that was here saw heard me say,
this is Bo Nix.
That ain't good enough.
That's not good enough.
You never accept anything in a win.
You wouldn't in a loss.
Y'all heard me say that over and over.
And you tell me, oh, we're tired of hearing that.
but y'all hear what y'all want to see yeah i know win is a win anybody that's really never
played sports and only looks at win i get it that's why a lot of times oh cho like i used to be
like going back and forth i'm like what the hell am i doing i'm going back and forth with somebody
that never played football let alone played on the level that i played or played at the level
of which i played why am i talking to y'all about football if sometimes sometimes they don't
understand.
Oh, Joe, I had to catch myself.
I said, I'm going, I'm trying to explain
when we've got this concept.
They're doing this, blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, wait a damn minute.
They don't know the difference between a screenplay
and a screen porch.
And here I am, I'm on goddamn social media debating them.
Going, going back and forward.
Hey, sometimes, sometimes, the way you see the game,
they don't see it.
I know they don't.
A little bit different.
And that's why, see, that's why they have to have sound.
They need somebody to tell them what's going on.
I don't.
I know formation, I know personnel, I know coverages, I know all of that.
I'm not interested that they scored.
Congratulations.
I need to know why they scored, how they scored.
What coverage was the defense in?
That's what I'm looking at.
Okay, were you in 21 personnel, were you in 12, were you in 11, were you,
were you an empty set, was it a 50 protection, whether the jet protection,
whether the 70 protection, whether the scat protection, were you in jumbo?
and then I tried
and what is that?
Well, we didn't play the game.
Okay, then it was,
but they quit.
We didn't play the game.
You should know.
Captain Arbius,
well, it was Captain Arbius.
Why didn't you say it?
Hey, that's funny.
That's why, you know,
hey, and when I,
when I tweet something about your,
it's not that I,
either side.
I'm just saying what I noticed.
I tweet it in real time.
like how can I see that in real time official that the game they can't you can't that got moved
oh Joe that guy was that the guard before the sinner had even snapped the ball he was damn near
collide with the the packer defender yeah hey that touch push I don't know I don't know what
the rest looking at but it was something that they said they were going to be paying attention
to they were making the call earlier early in the season it seemed they've stopped calling it and as
playing as day, especially if you got, if you got two good ass, if you got two guys,
you can see how they're moving before the ball snap.
That's all you got to look at, Ocho.
Hold on.
His head is in front of the ball.
How is that possible?
Mm-hmm.
I'm like, but hey, he must have been looking at his men.
You're like, okay, why I say she wanted General Joe's chicken,
some moo-moo guy pan, fried rice, some egg food young.
Some boo-moo.
I had the General Joe's chicken.
I don't like the boo-boo-goal padded.
What the hell is that?
At the Chinese restaurant.
Oh.
Oh, Cho.
Mike Tomlin was asked to assess his quarterback, Aaron Rogers,
performance last night.
Let's take a listen to what he had to say.
Mm-hmm.
How would you assess Aaron performance tonight?
How would you?
Next.
Now see, Ocho, when I come in here and I say Aaron Rogers didn't play well, so forth and so on, as you get older, you just cannot allow, you can't summons it up like you once could.
Game in, game in, game in.
You can have those flash games, but they come far and few and far between.
Oh, you just, man, you don't like that man.
You just, every since he didn't take the vaccine, you got a problem with him.
It's like, I'm just telling you, based on Aaron.
Rogers having watched this man for 15 since 2004 I retired Aaron became the
starting quarterback I think in like 08 so for the better part of 17 18 years I
watched this man y'all make y'all make it seem like I'm just dumb like I just be
talking out my tail right I like I like I like Tomlin's answer too yeah like
Hey, listen, there's no need for me to go in death.
You know, you watched him, you watch his performance.
It was lackluster.
We can't win with you playing like that.
No, Aaron said it.
Aaron said I've got to play better.
So if I say Aaron needs to play better, he's not playing like,
he's playing like an old Aaron Rogers, not the old Aaron Rogers.
Oh, you hate it.
He come out and say exactly what I said last night.
Now, let me mispronounce somebody's name.
Let me, let me be wrong on something.
Boy, they kill my food.
They flood my timeline.
But when Aaron Rogers say exactly what I said,
you can hear a mouse peeing on cotton, a bail of it.
That's how quieted it, Yacho.
Mm-hmm.
If you watch the game, if you watched Aaron Rogers and you watched last night game,
I was like, Aaron Rogers missed some throws.
He missed DK early in the game.
It could have been a big play.
Because you know on the road, get a big play on the far cross.
The big post.
Oh, sure.
That's a big play.
A 40 yard, 40, 50 yard touchdown.
Touchdown.
On the road, now you got the crowd sitting on the hands.
Ain't under cheer about it.
He under threw Austin.
I don't know the way Austin was catching the ball last night.
He probably threw it back at it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what Joe.
I'm a little nervous.
I'm a little hesitant to say it was a short fire.
It was a short fire catch.
I'm just saying he might have to it.
But if you watch the game, I mean, look,
maybe you don't know if it's a three or five step drop.
You don't know if it's a zone read.
Maybe you don't know all that stuff.
But you don't know if a quarterback's playing well.
And you watched the game last night, even if you're a Steelers fan, even if you're the biggest
Aaron Roger supporter, you know he didn't play well last night.
And it's okay to say that.
But it's almost like, don't say anything bad about my quarterback.
Speak honestly about everybody else's quarterback.
Just don't say nothing bad about my quarterback.
I'm not saying anything bad if he just didn't play well.
I didn't say he a bad person.
I'm just saying he was a bad quarterback last night.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, and the good thing about it, too, would him not play?
playing well, it looks good on him.
Obviously, you can tell he's actually at the Steelers
and him take an accountability on not playing well.
You know, there were no point in the fingers.
No.
There were no point in the fingers.
I like that.
Which were some issues that he did when he was with the Jets.
When certain plays weren't made and when those players weren't made
and he spoke about it after the game, he actually pointed the fingers.
You know, so I'm glad he did that.
And the problem what he has, though, Joe, is that he doesn't have enough players
on the offensive side of football.
to lift him up when he's not playing well.
See, that's the problem that you run into.
Because sometimes, you know, you get guys that can take a simple route.
You're not playing well.
They can take a simple route.
They can make a touch, an acrobatic catch.
Give your prime example.
Devonte Smith tonight.
You see that catch that he made?
See, save you every time.
Yeah.
Sometimes guys make plays.
You're having a bad game, but a guy can make a play here or there,
and all of a sudden, you get to win and you didn't play well,
but you get guys to elevate him.
at you and help the ship rise.
He didn't get that last night.
I don't think he has enough of that.
Outside of D.K., I think Freymoot is a quality tight end.
Now, I'm not taking it over McBride or Leporto or anything like that.
He's a tier two.
Yeah, I'm not taking over any of those top guys, but I think he's a solid, he's a solid tight end.
But D.K. is really the only guy.
And if you double him, does Austin or any of those other guys put fear in you?
No, they don't.
They don't.
I mean, listen, Calvin Austin, the Third,
as fast as he is, as explosive as he is,
he should be one that puts fear in defenses.
He should be one that they just,
I don't know if they use him the correct way to do that.
But if I'm not mistaken, he was 4-2,
if I'm not mistaken, maybe 4-1, something like that.
Austin the 3rd?
Yes.
He can't play like Austin the 1st,
because I can't tell he 4-1, 4-2.
Man, go ahead on.
I can't tell you that fast.
But see, there's a difference between being fast and playing fast
because we've seen guys run 4-2 and they play like they run 4-6.
And I've seen guys run 4-6 that play like their 4-3, 4-2.
So running fast and playing fast, Jerry played fast.
Yeah.
Jerry ran 4-6-7.
but he played fast.
It's one thing to run four two
with shorts and a t-shirt
is another thing to run four-six,
four-five with shoulder pants and cleats.
Right.
Because that's what you play in.
So yeah, I get it.
It's nice.
Oh, boy, he ran four-two.
I put him in a helmet
and put him in some shoulder pads and cleats,
and now all of a sudden,
no, he played like he run four-seven.
Damn, son, I know you faster than that.
Yeah, and you know what?
There's a thing called, you know,
players that carry their pads real well.
And the thing, can you carry your pads?
Can you still be as efficient when you're in shorts and shirt when you had a helmet and
pads on?
That, that, that is a thing, which is crazy.
But guess what, Ocho?
When you run that 40, ain't nobody trying to tell your damn head off.
That too.
See, when you four to four, four, four, three, all you do is get to the safety quicker so
we can knock your ass out.
That's it.
That's it
And one of the funny things I ever heard
I forgot who said
I gotta make sure I say it right
Is I'm just fast enough
To make sure the person chasing me
Can't catch me
I don't care nothing about no four these times
All I need to do is be faster than the person
That's chasing me
That's it
That's as fast as you need to be
It doesn't do me any good to have all that speed
And I don't know how to use it
You can have an arsenal guns.
Don't know how to shoot one.
Can't hit them.
Can't hit nothing.
So what good is four to speed if you can't use it?
You can't control it.
Right.
And I run you sharp.
You probably can.
But I bet you'll chase me in the end zone.
I bet you that.
Hey.
But everything, you know how everything is big.
But I love the way because a lot of times,
this is what's rubbed me wrong about Aaron Rogers
is not taking accountability when he played poor
or showing up the receivers and talking about do this
and do all that.
Don't do that.
That's what rubbed me the wrong way about him
was a lack of accountability.
I got no problem with what he said.
He owned it.
He didn't play well.
He realized it in order for them to get to where they need to be
and where they want to be,
he's going to have to play better
because he's the only guy that touches the ball
every single snap.
And in order for them to get to where they need to be, Ocho,
he's got to play better.
Yeah.
But as you said last night,
they got a bunch of names,
but them names ain't playing well.
We'll leave it at that.
Ocho, a photo gone viral of Aaron Rogers taking a sack last night,
captured by Marcio Sanchez of the AP.
And we got, we got hitting that jaw, too.
Yeah.
It's a good thing he got that,
it's a good thing you got the new helmet on.
Man, you better get a motorcycle helmet.
Hey, that's a good hit, too.
Yeah, boy, look here.
At 41.
I wouldn't try to take no shots like that in my 20.
You think I want to take a shot like that in my 40s?
Like that in the 40?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
That's a good picture right there.
Ooh-wee.
That's a good picture.
He must, was he, was that, was that in the pocket?
Because I'm surprised they didn't call that.
Because, you know, you can't hit your head.
You can't hit a quarter.
the back with your helmet.
So he had to be scrambling.
Not, not, yeah, not, not, not the crown of your helmet.
No, that hurt.
No, he'd probably think that I wish I wasn't there, Rogers.
But hey, um, a, um, a, their whole shots hurt, man.
Oh, Joe, them the one that knock your ass out.
When you get hit, right, get caught, or you get need.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, yeah, in the right place, right here, right here around the decal.
That knee by accident, and it don't even look like it's hard either.
Hold on, let me get this out of the dope.
Man, that joke, Aaron's like, this ain't what I signed up for, man.
If Aaron 40, 40, 41, you're about to be 40?
If he about to be 42, if he already 40, is he 40?
He's 41 and he'll be 42 and seven of that.
Damn.
Yeah, Aaron said, damn this.
Aaron said, I don't made me $300 million.
I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't.
He doesn't say, I don't made $3.350, man, later for this.
I ain't, I ain't trying to do all.
I ain't trying to do all this.
The accumulation, those, chat, you know.
Those, those hits lad up.
Aaron Rogers probably what, $2.15?
You ain't trying to take no hiss like that.
Hell, running backs.
I mean, Derek Henry ain't really trying to take no earhole shot,
no jaw shot like that, man.
those those those ish adds up man I know that hurt I got my jaw hurt and I'm
thinking about it oh he bracing for that I mean at the last second you feel
that hit coming you try to brace for it but a ain't a ain't nothing you can
do it look oh that's the close-up oh you got to ooh wee
Yeah, I don't blame.
I don't want to see that either.
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