Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc, Ocho & Johnny react to Miami BLASTING Florida + is it time to FIRE Billy Napier?!

Episode Date: September 21, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Johnny Manziel react to a full slate of college football, Miami blows out Florida, Oklahoma beats Auburn and a UAB player stomps on the Tennessee’s kicker’s foot in frustration during a loss and much more!02:30 - Miami beats Florida19:25 - Oklahoma beats Auburn28:25 - UAB player stomps on Tennessee’s kicker’s foot40:00 - Belichick disastrous at UNC49:05 - Clemson looses again58:25 - Indiana destroyed Illinois (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, you can check out Johnny on his podcast, Glory Days, featuring Johnny Manzell. Please make sure you go subscribe, subscribe, make sure you like it, and check out Johnny on his own personal podcast, Glory Days, featuring Johnny Manzelle. Miami Hurricanes beat the Florida Gators 26 to 7. Is it time? Question is, Johnny, look, Ocho, you talk about this all the time. Florida used to be a place.

I mean, you look, you get the Tim Tebow's, and you get the Percy Harvins, and you get Joe Hayden, and you get the Pouncey brothers, and you get all those first-round draft picks. They still get a couple, but they don't have the level of talent. But that doesn't mean they don't have the level of expectations.

That doesn't change. Once you become a success, the fans expect you to have that level of success, for perpetuity, because that's all they remember. And right now, it's really tough on Bill and Napier. Does he survive the entire season, or is it time for them to move in a different direction? Johnny, you take it, Johnny, you take it first.

And, yeah, this is a tough look for the Florida Gators program for them. I think everybody in Gainesville is used to that program being at the top elite level. You're used to what you've seen in the past. what they have going right now, what the preseason expectations were for this team. They don't get tossed around by in-state schools like this, ever, this consistently in the past. So for that, you're struggling.

A change needs to happen at Florida. I think everybody from one end of the spectrum to the other at the University of Florida is uttering for that. I know my boys behind the scenes are just kind of shaking their head in disbelief. I mean, DJ Lagway was supposed to be their guy. This is a guy that you're looking at the top of the SEC quarterback rankings at the beginning of the season. He's out there. Tonight, 12 to 23 for 61 yards.

That's supposed to be an opening drive. You exactly right. That's supposed to be what you script all weeks in the walk to. First 15 is supposed to be 61 yards. To play quarters of football and get 61 yards of passing offense, you ain't going to be doing a lot with that. That's complete and total and utter dysfunction from top to bottom on the offensive side of football.

When we put this in perspective, Ocho, Bethune Cookman's quarterback, Timmy McLean, had more passing yards, 86 against Miami and a loss on fewer pass attempts. Yeah. Hey, on, listen, Redale Anthony ain't walking through that door. I kill your ain't walking through that door. Neither is Fred Taylor and Tim Tebow has already graduated.

Emmett Smith, Richie Carlwell, anybody else you want. All the way down. Yvonne Kurtz. Yeah, I think things need to change. Even if you do change the head coach, Uncle, still could be the same thing. If you don't have the players,

if you don't have the money, you got to pay, you got to win now. That's just, that's the landscape of NFL college football right now is to be able to bring recruits in those that can contribute and play right now. And until you do that,

until you have boosters and you have support behind the scenes to be able to pay some of the players to attract them to come to your school, it will never be like the Florida of old back in the 90s, back in the 80s, back in the early 2000s, where you can compete with the Miami's with the other teams in the...

The Bamos, the Ohio space. Yeah, that's long going on. That's long going. You got to play to win. Now it's kicking even more, Johnny, because you've got to go into the portal. You've got to entice some of these kids that's in the portal that's thinking about it.

saying, you know what? I got a little extra. Hey, okay, I'm making a million here. I'm making $500,000 here. I wonder if I can go to another school. Teams are looking more so now at Portal than they are high school seniors because they want someone that already knows what it's like to be in college. They already have study habits.

They've already gone through the process of being on a college campus or playing college football. So that's kind of direction. If you look at it, everybody, teams are starting to try to move in. Hopefully they can entice someone to leave an Alabama. and come to their school. Leave an Ohio State and come to their school. Leave a Michigan or Texas A&M

or whatever a program is, offer them more money and get them to go there. Okay. There we go. I'm going to say entice them how. Listen. Oh, it's money. Oh, okay.

And $5 and $10 million in NIL or whatever they want to call it is not enough, Johnny. You've got to have a pool $15, $20, $25, $30 million because one player on your roster is going to command probably a $4 million. dollar salary. Yeah, he got, he got to be that boy. Commanding four million dollars. You got to be a difference maker. You got to be a difference maker to be able to command that kind of money. You look at the landscape of college football right now, and the players that command four million a better, he that boy.

Jeremiah Smith, that's that boy. Man, listen, if it was last year, Jeremiah Smith was top five as the goddamn freshman he was coming out in the draft. He can command that kind of money. So players that command that kind of money, you've got to be special and be able to change a program, the trajectory of a program right away right now. It ain't that many of them. I'm just going to be honest. I'm going to be honest with you.

It ain't that many of them, right now. Not right now. Not like that. I think you got to recruit, John. Let me tell what you think. Look, Billy Napier, I think he's a really good coach because he was on that staff with Nick Sabin. They had Dan Lannning and they had Kirby Smart and they had a pair of fuel and they had all Mario Cristobo.

They had the coach at Ole Miss, Elaine Kiffin. If you go back and look at that staff and what they had, if I'm not mistaken, Dan Landy was a grad assistant. Kirby Smart was the head coach, and they had, you know, they had all these guys that are coaches now in the end of a major college program. Billy Napier, if I'm not mistaken, was the receiver coach. But you've got to be able to recruit. And can they entice Urban to come back?

Urban left because he had hard palpitations. And then he went to Ohio State and they got better. they got good medical staff at Ohio State and a little bit more money and they had better talent. I'd back up the Brink's truck if I was Florida to get Urban Meyer back. I'd do anything in the world

to get that man back there and get something. The good news for Florida with the way the college football landscape is right now, though, is if a couple of these guys get together and say enough is enough, we're tired of this, you can go get $30,40 million in a pot in a Gainesville alumni.

You can go to a collective and get enough money and be like, listen, we're going to hit the transfer portal really hard this offseason. And in 12 months, your roster and everything can look completely different as you go into fall camp a year from now. So that's the one thing that Florida has. They have the pedigree. They have the history.

They are in a great conference. They're just not good right now. You look at their schedule this year and what they've done. 10 points the first week. They score 16 points the next. That's 26 points. Then they put 55 against Long Island, which honestly not a lot of us. And then seven tonight.

So it gets three good real schools. That's 28 and 7. What is that? 35. 35 points. They've 35 points in 12 quarters of football. What are we talking about here? That ain't enough to beat nobody.

There's high schools out there that could probably come up and whoop up on them right now. But here's the thing you're talking about, Johnny. You say there's enough money to get in the, to put together to create a pot at a portal. You're going to probably have a, to buy Bill and Napier out of that contract. That's going to cost you $20, $30 million.

You're right there. Take the A&M path, man. Stroke that check and get it gone. Florida ain't got that money like Texas A&L. Texas A&M got deep pockets. I mean, their pockets go all the way to the ground. My advice to them, oh. My advice to M.

Go play that lottery with the Alabama lady we talked about a couple weeks ago. Hey, they, I think it all comes down to, especially if you get a coach like Urban Meyer, if you get him to come back for whatever reason, if it does happen, I think it's possible to get the money. And with Urban Meyer coming back, I think players will probably gravitate and want to come to Florida. For sure.

Price is right. If the money's right and they allow him to do things his way, and which he did when he was there and he was winning at that time, he could turn that program around pretty fast, especially in the offseason with the transfer portal, he can do that. It's harder now to Ocho. They don't let the student athletes get away.

They got this thing called the internet. They got this thing called the camera phone. They got this thing. So the things that he got away with at Florida and some of the stuff that he got away with at Ohio State, I'm not so sure. Now you're going to be able to get away with said things. And so they keep her close eye on it. Now, do I believe if you were to come back, as Johnny mentioned,

the Alumni Association wouldn't be willing to get together to pay this man $11, $12 million, what it would take to get a coach of that caliber back in the folds? Absolutely, I believe they would. And they say, you know what? If that means we got to spend $25, $30 million about a Bill and Napier out and another $70 million over six years to get Irby back in,

and plus another X amount of dollars to put in to try to get these top guys to come here, okay, it is what it is. But we want to win. It comes down to do you want to have a good, college football program. It's really that simple. You're going to spend it and figure out a way to make it in the back end and figure it out over time.

You want to be good. You want to compete now. You want to look up in five years and say, okay, we can get into the playoff or you still want to be doing this. Because whatever this is right now for Florida is. And in the front of you're the little dog in the state right now. Now that's tough for them to swallow. It's tough for them to have to sit there and look at because the product that they're

putting on the field, it's, you don't want to. to kick people when they're down, right? But you have to call a spade a spade and call it what it is that this team, this program, there ain't nothing special about it. You let you come in and walk over you and then turn around another in-state rival smacked seven points, not even competitive. And John, it all comes down to those that actually have the money to be able to pull this off. This investment is long-term anyway. It's not about right now. Are you willing to invest the money to see your program turnaround? It's not going to be an overnight. It's not going to be an overnight success.

It takes long term because the people that have this kind of money are all about business. They understand how business works. You pour the money in now and you wait until things gradually improve year after year, especially if you get a coach like Urban Meyer back, things are going to turn around pretty fast. Yeah, the question is that Urban at his age, he's been away from the game for a while. He has a nice cush job at Fox.

He gets to talk about football a couple times a week, maybe go interview a coach here and there, and he doesn't have to... What about Jimbo Fisher? Okay, yeah, now that's the... Hey, Jimbo say, hey, I got a pocketful of money. I can use the other pocketful, too. Hey, my left pocketful, ain't got nothing in the right.

Let me get this right one. You know what? Now that you mentioned that, I like that. I like that. Hold on. He got... He's not coaching anywhere in the state of Florida really well. Hey, he was the head coached at Florida State.

Hold on, I got one. I'm just throwing this out there. Just possibility since we're throwing names in the hat. What about another Floridian that knows Florida very well in Prime? Coming on back down to Gainesville. Obviously, I know it's not Tallahassee, but I'm just saying. Yeah, since we put names in the hat, that's not a bad option. Yeah.

That would make some numbers. That would move the needle, Prime being in the SEC and in Florida. That would be... Absolutely. Yeah, he definitely. Colorado will be holding on for dear life to try and keep him. But it all comes down to the brass and who's running the show at Florida and what they want to go after. But this hire and what they've done with this staff, this is definitely not working.

I think the original question to sum up, the whole thing is, you know, this Florida team and this Florida program is not competitive in the SEC whatsoever. And that's just not acceptable for a program of that caliber. No, and the SEC is getting better. It just is. The days of, I mean, you got Oklahoma came there. Texas came in there Georgia is good hell look at Vanderbilt

Vanderbilt hell he's looking good Vanderbilt might put foot in Florida this year so they're going to have to do something and guess what in two weeks Miami and Florida State the Keynes are off next week while the nose will have to beat Virginia

if that happens we'll get a top 10 canes and nose Hey that game Johnny that game now the way Florida State playing this year the way the Miami Hurricane playing this year, it brings that old excitement of the early 2000

when they would meet up on. Yeah. It brings that same excitement. Defensively, offensively, both of them playing very, very well. Hell,

goddamn Florida State put up six to six today. Now, I understand who they were playing. It's nothing to hoop and holler about, but I understand who they were playing. But obviously,

the first three opponents, first two opponents, man, they did a number of them as well. They did, they put foot in Alabama. Yeah. Listen,

their offense, their offense is going. You look at it every week, From here on out, I'm putting some money on Florida State every week, over on points, over on whatever you want to do. But they look good. You're supposed to go out and do that versus teams that are inferior. Inferior for sure you're supposed to. But the fact that you can go out and do it, your offense is clicking, you're rolling.

You're not having any three and outs, any lapse in judgment, that type of stuff. When you see that week in and week out, you're like, okay, these guys are dialed, these guys are clicking. So when you do get to a matchup like that, it's going to be one for fireworks. The bad news for Florida as well, just to add on a little bit of salt on their whole grave. Play Texas. And they play my Aggies. Mississippi State, okay. Then they got Georgia, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Florida State, and that will be the season for the Florida Gators.

So I don't know if you hear about that list, those teams, what their schedule looks like, but it's really, really looking like a, maybe a three or four-win team for Florida this year. I definitely don't see how Billy Napier survives that. I don't. I don't see how they, I mean, if by some miracle they won six games, it's not enough. It's still not enough.

It's not enough. Based on the standard in which Florida holds themselves, including alumni, the academic, I'm talking about academic, the sports program in general, he's not going to be able to survive. As a matter of fact, the dolphins in Florida are in the same boat.

For sure. The dolphins at the gate is, is basically in the same boat. I think, fam, you could be Florida right now. I think the biggest thing, Ocho, and Johnny, when you look at it, you're in the SEC, unless you're Kentucky, you're a football school.

It's really that simple. Yeah. You're in football school. And you want to compete. Because the one thing the Florida doesn't want to become is what Vanderbilt used to be in some to occasionally they still are.

Everybody's homecoming. You open the season, and they got a homecoming queen. That ain't good. Fresh meat. You know what I'm saying? Fresh me. The first game of the season, you're somebody's homecoming.

Bro, they're like, damn. But if you go back, if you look at Florida, they just, they don't have, Florida used to have two or three guys going in the first round. They don't, they don't get, I don't, maybe, maybe, you know, when you spread it out, Jeremiah Smith is going to Ohio State and, you know, a lot of these guys from the state of Florida, they go other places or they don't go to Florida. go to Florida State or they go to Miami or they go to Alabama. They go

to Ohio State. They go to Georgia. They go to Oregon. They go every place except Gainesville. Yeah. And you've got to keep a few. I ain't say you're not going to get them all because even when Florida was at its best, they didn't get them all.

But you got to get some. And they're not getting nearly enough or nearly enough of the good ones in order to make a difference in the program or enough of that's a guy that's in the portal but something's got to change and normally you can't get rid of all the football players the first thing you change is the coaching staff and i don't advocate anybody losing their job but i just don't see how billy napier keeps this job johnny yeah no it's it's not the fit like

you you have to have some semblance that things moving forward are going to be okay that we're going to get this ship righted and that they have given them some time and this even last year going back. It hasn't been great. So at some point in time, you know, these decisions behind the scenes are probably already. They're being talked about. They're being, they know it's a band-aid. They don't want to rip off. But at the end of the day, sometimes waiting longer just makes it worse. Oklahoma beats Auburn 2417. The sooner's racked up a school record 10 sacks against former OU quarterback Jackson Arnold, including multiple in the final minutes to seal the win. John Matera has been throwing up the money side. And with a Nick

nickname, Money Mateer. When asked about the nickname, he joked. They're the little different person that Johnny said, the difference between the first Johnny and me, Johnny, I'm going to church in the morning. Johnny, damn, Johnny, I know you went to church at least once or twice. Yeah, man, I grew up in the church. You went to something called a church, church is chicken.

Man, I grew up in the church with my grandparents, my mom, my dad. We would go to church every Sunday when I was a kid growing up, go play family scrambles on the golf course afterwards. We were definitely a house that was raised by the Lord. So more than anything, man, Philippians 4.13, you know, I can do all things through Christ who strings me. It's my dog.

Enjoy church in the morning. I don't think anything that is said as a slight. I get he's trying to be funny. It is what he is. Continue to keep playing well, young fella. And all as well. Oklahoma has a good team right now, first time being foreign. know for them in a while.

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the experience, the career, and what I did on the field in college football. So he is playing at a very high level right now. He is a leader of a great school with a great program. And, you know, when you come into it and beat a team like Auburn and your second year in the SEC against the quarterback that you've known that's been in your room, you know, this is a game that definitely meant something to them. So for them to come out and be in this position, you know, for OU, it comes down to what it comes down to every single year.

And that's that game that happens in Dallas that's split down the middle and the Red River. And you never know what's going to happen or what it's going to be. We don't know what Texas really is. But, you know, for now, OU looks pretty good and they look like they have a competitive team that's going to fight through this SEC and has a chance to go into the playoff, for sure. Johnny, do you feel like every time there's a white quarterback in college that the little athletic and can run just a tad, They compare them to you?

Probably. I mean, people always see flashes and shades of me a little bit out there. The kid from Arizona State definitely moves around like me a little bit. I think he's playing as high level as anybody is in college football right now. The one thing I was talking to guys about today is, man, the quarterback play as a whole in college football, I'm missing the mid-20, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 14, 15, 16, 17 years.

Where's the boys that multiple guys went out and played like Deshaun Watson or RG3 or me or Baker or whoever, Marriota? So many guys at so many different schools that were out there really doing people dirty. And I turned the TV on on this Saturday, especially today. I'm begging and hoping and pleading to see any quarterback out there doing something dirty. Playing high-level, high-caliber football. even from the guys that we expect it from, right? The guys who we talk about all offseason

that are at the top of the rankings of everything, you don't see it from DJ Lagway. I see sellers at South Carolina today on a third and long miss a wide open crosser that's just like, these are those you have to make that other guys are making. Right now, my favorite quarterbacks to watch is my guy at Baylor, Sam Levitt from Arizona State,

a couple guys sprinkled here and there that are, like, making some plays. Marcel Reed is really making it shake. He's throwing the ball really well and running it. Other than that. You expect the Cluvenick to play well at Clemson? He's not playing well. Like, Arch isn't playing well.

He can hop on flex on Sam Houston all he wants. Corny move, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know where he got that from. I'm sure not only did his dad call it, his grandfather called him, and both of his uncles called him. Say, what the hell are you doing? Yeah.

You started over a guy from Sam Houston State. You're supposed to help them up. You ain't got no business playing Sam Houston State. I did have a play versus Sam Houston State at home where I trucked somebody in the end zone and I got up and I kind of stepped over him a little bit. But I didn't flex on him. I didn't get in his face. I just was a little hype after it.

So I'm sure some people are going to come out of me after that. But this, for what Texas is right now and the way that he's been playing, it should be suit and tie buttoned up. I got to learn how to throw a shallow cross. Hey, the funny thing about it too, and Johnny, you think about all the quarterbacks, all the quarterbacks that have been hyped up, you know, in the offseason,

going into the collar season, nothing really pops out on film. Most of the time, especially back in the day, obviously when Johnny was playing, there was always somebody that gave you a little excitement. You couldn't wait to watch when that individual would play. And there just hasn't been that. To me, honestly, I was kind of fooled by the,

media, by the analysts, by the pundits, because I thought Arch Manning was really the second coming of Christ because that's- He couldn't beat the seventh, the guy got drafted in the seventh round, don't Joe. He couldn't beat him out. Come on now. Listen, listen. You hear what you just said? Guy got drafted in the seventh round and he couldn't beat him out. But again, the way they talk about somebody, that's all I have to go off of. The small sample size I saw when he came in, when it was hurt, I can't go off of that. I'm basing everything off what these so-called experts say, and they had me thinking like, okay, I'm locked in on the first week of Texas

game, and I'm looking like, well, this can't be, well, maybe, I'm like, right now, right now the guys you want to flip the TV on, like, damn, maybe I'll watch this guy play quarterback. Casalanos at Florida State is a guy who will get you up to the U.S. a little bit. Baylor in their offense is slinging the ball around the yard a little bit. San Levitt at Arizona State definitely has a little bit of something to him where he's making some stuff plays and extending some plays. Marcel I think is a guy who's developed passing the ball where A&M's offense with their receivers

and what they have right now are really, really exciting and that's not me even being a homer. That's just straight facts to what Kriber did in that game and what they're doing offensively and Colin Klein has them doing. I think that's an exciting offense to watch. But as you go around the whole country, there is nothing that really, really jumps off the page

where you're like, damn, that guy right there, I got to turn the TV on Saturday for that. I'm not so sure people even know who John tier was, and now he's the favorite for the Hodgman. The guy came in, he was an unknown. And I'm not saying unknowns. We saw that. We've seen Jane Daniels come out of nowhere. We've seen Joe Burrow come out of nowhere. Hell, Johnny, you came

out of nowhere, but I'm like, damn, at least some of the guys that were favorite were playing well, but other guys just played better. All the guys that were supposed to be at the top, they're playing like, man, Starfry. I'm like, what the hell is? And, like, for me, when I watch, when I watched Arch last year, and when Ewers was out, you look who he played. Now, bro, I can't get excited about San Jose State. I can't get excited when you're playing inferior teams.

If you are what you said you are, I give you a prime example. Look at Trevor Lawrence. He came in and he beat the start out in the previous year. That's what a number one overall pick supposed to do. That's how you're supposed to look. You don't suppose to keep a guy goes into some. seventh round, keep you on the bench for two years? Right.

Oh, Joe, how can I say, how can I say, man, I'm him and I got to wait two, I got to wait a year, I got to wait two years before I get on the field. Mm-hmm. Ain't no way. Tea, like, huh? You got, I can see now, if you wait behind Peyton Manning, that's one thing. You wait behind Cam Newton, or Andrew Luck. I get it.

But the guy got to be drafted high. You sit, you sat behind a guy that got drafted. I think he got drafted a seventh round. he was a low round draft pick put it like this he didn't go in the first three rounds right so i'm like can i ask a question would uh would with texas fans and sart would they take quen yuer's back right now yeah crazy and all we heard last year play arch put archie in crazy sometimes you have it and you don't even know it and i know right now that texas offense with ken yuer's behind behind the wheel.

They'd be undefeited. The most popular guy on the football team is the backup quarterback until he had to get his ass in and play. And then he become unpopular just like the starter. Yeah. UAB player Stomp. What happened?

Did you see this? Did you have a player to stop on the Tennessee kicker's foot? After that's the point? Yeah. After nailing a field goal to have Tennessee go up 20 to nothing, a UAB safety,

There are Bryant, stomped on the kicker's foot, Max Gibber's foot. Brad was called for unsports like conduct. Really, guys? He stepped on his kicking foot. Yes, Ocho, I'm talking about, wabop. Ocho, he hit him with a quick run by, stop on the top of the foot and dip out.

Almost like a daff up, but you just dapped his top of these foot up. I ain't see that. He got to be a guy. He got to put it out of you got to watch that. I'm surprised. Look, I'm trying to think if that would have happened in an NFL game would they, they'll probably throw an NFL

player out if you did that. No, they'll just throw it. They're flagging. Just, oh, that's unspoken. I don't know, Ocho, an intentional act like that. Yeah, you got to do it. He didn't, he didn't try to be inconspicuous with it. No. No, no. He wouldn't, he

tried to hide it at an old, Ocho. I mean, he got, he got him good, too. If they didn't throw him out in college, they definitely wouldn't have thrown him out in the game, but you got I think the thing, they're probably, they're going probably, I think they're going to suspend it for the first half or something. Ain't no way they're going to let that slide, Ocho.

Huh? Oh, somebody. But, yeah, Ocho, that was, I mean, that was, you, he can't even say, well, I was trying to get up off the ground. It was, it was like, you remember the old Indomac and Sue, how he was stepping on people. Oh, he wasn't playing. It was more, it was more, at least Adomacin Su would say I was trying to get up and I lost my balance.

Right. He can't say nothing because he could have just kept running off the feet. He took off, he stopped. Oh, yeah, let me get this while I made it. It took off a gig. It took off a gear. All right, that's funny. John, have you ever seen something like that in the game?

You ever experienced something like that, high school college? I just looked up the clip right now. You know, he's, the play ends. He's got to be getting ready to jog the sign line. He takes a peek and sees it. He's like, you know what? Yeah, pull it up on Joe. You got to see it.

Then you say, okay, I'm a, I'm a stop. on his shit real quick. Fuck him. If you see it on show, when you see it, you're going to say, yeah, they might have thrown him out

the game. I'm looking at it up right now. Man, I couldn't, because I'm like, I was wondering why they show, why they showed them? Like, okay,

the guy made a kick, so why they're showing it. And then I realized why they were showing it. It was a, it was definitely an egregious act. I'm like, bro,

what are you doing? Well, he kind of comes by like slaps on the slaps on the holder a little bit and then just runs right by him and does a top of the footstorm. That's some WWE shit right there.

You vowed it, though, Joe? Crazy. That's a new one. We're seeing some things in college football this year that are one-on-one's first time for everything type stuff. Yeah, I found it. Number one.

Number one step don't know. Yeah. I'm surprised they didn't throw him out the game. And the referee, the referee standing right there too. Yes. because, I mean, if you targeted, I mean, targeting it, throw you out of the game. So what do you think he was trying to do?

He stepped on the man's kicking foot. And then the guy sold it because the guy started hopping around like he had stepped on a nail. You're just trying to give a team a little advantage? Yeah, yeah. I mean, everybody on the sideline probably like, yo, we see you, bro. We see you.

Look, I've seen some egregious acts, but I don't know. Normally college, they try to, try to sneak it. it, you know, in a pile, anything goes in a pile. The guys will do a whole lot of stuff in a pile. But not something so wide open. Like you said, Ocho, the referee is standing right there.

Yeah, he tripped. He's dead it right there. I've never seen that before. That's, for me, that's the first. That's the first. I agree. And I was like, bro, what are you? Johnny, what's going on with this new era?

I mean, this new wave of players. Young boys out here, wowing. They, that race a little different than the old heads back in the day for sure. I don't, they don't know how to act. Man, I couldn't even, I couldn't even fathom doing something like that and growing up when I grew up how coaches were. Man, coaches grab you by your hell.

Maybe people aren't getting their assholes enough. Maybe people aren't getting their ass chewed out enough. They're not. To go through punitive. But anything like that would have happened from a middle school, high school level, I'd have been running, running, rolling up down until I puked. I'd have been getting my ass. Yeah, you can't grab a kid.

You like this? You like that? You really want to act like that? I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you on this field right here all day for hours that you're not going to act like that. You're going to treat people the right way. You're going to respect the game.

It's like that. Just don't have that. And it starts from a young level of football, right? It starts from kids are playing ball earlier. So you're getting coached. And people are growing up and being raised in the game the wrong way from a very early age. You see it all the time with these shows they have now about, you know, younger kids playing football the little tight show and stuff that you see it's it's crazy you know the purity and respect

and level of the game and playing it the right way is definitely not there from a whole are there are there guys out there that is this speaking for a whole collective when things like this happen of course not but stuff like this is happening more often you look at it you're just kind of like shake your head like back in the day we didn't see stuff yeah i don't know if you could i don't know if coaches now johnny could grab your face mask They used to grab your body back of your shoulder pads like, so what the hell are you doing? Yeah, hit you upside your head.

And you go home and tell your grandparents and tell your parents, it's like, well, the first thing out of your about, what did you do? Yeah, yeah. They're like, they already know, for the coach to do that, you had to have done something. But you're right. I mean, today's now, you're afraid the kid,

the kid is going to transfer, the kid is going to leave school. The kids' parents, going to come up there because of the thing, if they, if they behave like this at home, they damn sure going to behave like this at school worse. Yeah. So, you know, I remember I told my grandmother, Coach Graham, me by my face mask. I came home and told Grady's like, well, I guess that means you're going to quit.

Like, nah, I ain't going to quit. I need you to go tell him, don't do that no more. Nah, I ain't quitting, but I want you to tell him to make him afraid to not do it anymore. Yeah. Man, my grandma was like, boy, please, you probably, you probably. was doing something you ain't had no business. Yeah. Well, you still could have told him

don't do it no more, but that's the thing. Coaches now the way they, and I've got, look, some things needed to be done away with because some of the stuff that, you know, coaches had was getting out of hand with it now. I understand there's a certain level of discipline and order that you structure, that you got to have, Johnny and Ocho,

you've got to have a certain level of it, but sometimes coaches, they go too far with it. And, but now, you know, know all that you can't the kids get water breaks every team at all the good programs okay look at the real programs throughout the history of the game how they were coached how things were done attention to detail got to have things matter you have to be hard you have to have discipline you have to be tough hard nose like there's so many characteristics of what winning football teams and programs have had and coaches that have gone out and done it and there's a reason

some teams and some coaches are the way that they are and because they care about those things and there's reason that other people aren't. And that's just what it comes down to. People think that it may not matter, but it does. It absolutely does. Because I'm not so sure how much, how different Coach Saban was than Coach Bryant.

Yeah. There's a reason why that's the winning this college football program as far as the national championship and the Polaro in 1936. There's a reason why. That's not an accident. there that a team has two statues out front of their head coaches. Oh, yeah.

And the funny thing, too, Uncle, when you think about it, Johnny spoke on the earlier about today's era of kids, especially going into college. They're wired a little bit different. They have money. Their mentality is a little different. Will a Nick Saban style of coaching will you be able to get kids to respond to that? Will they respond to that now in this era? I know he's not that far removed from the game of football.

But I'm just saying, if everybody had that same coaching style, I don't really think it would work. It's so hard, it's so hard, right? Because in this day and age, you don't want to do something to have a kid leave because it feels such a huge,

but at the end of the day, at the end of the day, the way I was raised, the coaches that I was around, it didn't matter. You were all held to the same standard and the next guy was up. If we're hurting because of that,

that person that left or got suspended or was not on the team or whatever, he hurt the team. So you look at it as a whole. collective one heartbeat type of thing but at the end of the day you're going to continue to coddle kids and do things a certain way and let things slide to the point of where it hurts and leaks through and infects the whole whole betterment of the group no at some point in time you have to put your foot down and be like listen this is right this is wrong you're going to do what

you're supposed to do or you're not going to play in this program and if you can't abide by that see you later i don't care what we're paying you i don't care how good you are i don't care what it is that's just the way of how coaches were with me and I know how important coaching was for my life, for the game of football, it means everything. A good coach that cares and is passionate about it that pays attention to the details

versus one that's not, how it makes you better, what it does for you as a whole? What are we talking about? You either coach it or the condone it. And then, you know, when you're coming up, like, bro, you're tripping. It was the players.

Man, cut that fooling this out, bro. You're killing us. If you get kicked off the team, you want our best players. Maybe the best player. Come on, bro. Cut that fool of this out. Because sometimes you have to have your teammates tell you

because they can get through to you when your coaches can't. They can get to you through. They can get your peers sometimes can get through to you when parents, coaches, whomever can't. Because, you know, peer, that's what it's safe. Association brains on assimilation. And so sometimes the peers, like, bro, come on, man. And cut that foolishness is out, man.

Coach ain't picking on you. You just keep doing dumb ish. Yeah. But once you cut the dumb e-shot, we're going to be okay, bro. You're too good. But I've had, I've been on, had coming up in junior high and pop pee-wee and high school, the guy's better than me, but you couldn't tell them nothing. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, Joe, you know what I get when I go home, when I used to go home? Hey, tell them, sharp I was better than you. What, not better than you in the fourth grade? Wasn't I better than you in eighth grade? What's not strong? The fourth grade? Yeah, bro, you had me.

You got me, come. Yeah. I told y'all, I told y'all that could have been me. Well, right now we're 30. So I don't, and I don't really want to go back to the fourth of the eighth grade. But yeah, you had an opportunity, but you want to be cool to walk the streets. Hey, listen, we all have the same 24 hours, though. Bill Belichick experiment at UNC is even bigger disaster than experience.

They got blown out by UCF, 34 to 9. Tar Heels only managed 217 total yards. 2.5 yards per carry against the night squad, picked the finish dead last in the Big 12 preseason poll. This outlook bleak for the four games in the Coach Belichick's coaching era at Chapel Hill. They're not two and two, but the two wins have come against Charlotte and Richmond. Now, guys, should we have concerns about Coach Belichick's? tenure off the field.

Now, we've heard, now, it'd be very, very interesting if the situation, you know, he banned the scouts. Banning the scouts doesn't hurt Coach Belichick. It hurts the players that wants the scouts to come see them. And then he has a situation where they talk about his girlfriend and how she's this and how she's that. You read the articles, and so I'm not breaking news to anybody

that's listening to Ocho and Johnny and myself tonight. I'm not breaking any news, but it seems to be there of these articles that keep coming out how she's around and how he seems not like to coach Belichick because I can imagine, Ocho, do you think this situation he would have been a situation like this at New England? I don't know. We don't know.

We don't know. But I'm just saying he seems different now than he was in New England. Yeah. I think Bill Belichick has always been about business. The way he conducts himself when it comes to the game of football, that will never change. that would never change the way he approaches the game now the difference is in north carolina

in new england obviously you have the players you have the personnel to be able to execute and do the game plan schematically that you have also he banned the scouts but what the hell the scouts coming for what they come to watch they're coming to talk to you what the scouts coming to watch have you watch players have you watch have you watch unc play johnny have you watch north carolina play okay well what they come to watch okay they ban well they're really not to come see anyway. No disrespect. Now, as far as his girlfriend is concerned, obviously you have someone younger, someone you want to cater to a little bit more as opposed to those you've dated in the past who might have been of age and a little older that won

around. Obviously, wouldn't want to be around an NFL practice like that. Inside an NFL locker room are doing doing things in that manner. College, a little bit different, a little bit more lenient, different type of atmosphere, and obviously dating someone much younger, and you want more so cater to that, listen, I'm not in this personal business. I don't know, I don't want to talk much, much about that. But until he gets the players in there to be able to compete with everybody else, I mean, it's his first year. I would give Bill Belichick, one of the greatest of all time at the NFL level. Being at the collegiate level now, things have to start working in your favor when you can get the players you need to compete with everybody

else. That's, that's all to come down to. I think you look at it and you give him some time. obviously. This is a new league, a new situation for him. The whole process of what he's doing. And the college football game is much, much different than the NFL games. I don't think anybody was expecting UNC to be a playoff team this year. I don't think they've been very good or very competitive in the ACC, probably since Drake May was coming out. It was really probably the last time. I can't remember the last time I've turned on a North Carolina game to actually watch a football game. Their jerseys look pretty cool. Oh, the colors fine. College are nice.

You look good, but you get your ass thanked every Saturday. You are not a football school. So for me, it doesn't entice me. But I think as a whole, as you look at it from a college football landscape, Belichick has an opportunity to do something amazing. If they get the right players and the right people in there, it will be a great story. Right now, currently, with what they have on the roster and what it is in this transition, it's not going very well.

But I don't think you can really sit there and judge as a whole until you get an ACC, play you see how you stack up against other teams in your conference this is not a good look obviously using to a UCF team but UCF not a bad program they've had years in the past they've you know got a good thing going down there so i mean they both scoff frauds back yeah i mean you got a UCF is a is a solid program they're definitely more of a football school the north carolina is or has been in the past in my opinion so the girlfriend stuff you don't see it anywhere else in college football. I think that's the biggest thing. And from him. The media definitely jumped on it and made it a big thing, maybe even bigger than it is.

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point like, why the fuck would you do it? Like why? You know you're just adding more scrutiny and more things to the pot. Like, honey, sit in the suite. Yeah. I'll see you after the game. What are we talking about? It's obviously a problem. It's obviously an issue. People look at it and they're talking about it every single week. Doesn't make sense to me, and it's so un-Belichick, but at this point in time, with all that he's done, maybe he's just like, I am that guy, I can do what I want, and I'm going to do whatever it is I want.

They gave me the keys to this. I'm going to run it my way, and you guys can watch and hate from the outside. And the funny thing, too, about Bill, obviously knowing him personally, he don't give two you know what, about what nobody say, what nobody thinks. He don't care at all. at all he runs things his way and he can always continue to run him his way because his

way works and it always has now obviously they're not winning right now but them not winning had nothing to do with her it had nothing to do with her those that are watching and making stories about her being around yes it's being blown out of proportion because of who he is if it was anybody else it wouldn't be talked about but let me ask you a question he would always tell you guys distractions this is a distraction for its football team now he would say he would say let's limit to the distractions let's make sure it's about football now people are talking about things that are not football related so the biggest distraction created at inside the university of chapel hill is bill bellichick and what he had an extracurricular act i ain't saying there's nothing wrong with it he's a he's consenting she's consenting it is what it is but we've never seen anything like this right and i'm a load old and all both of y'all i I've never seen a Co. Saving or Vince Dooley or Bo Schembeckler or I've never seen any of their, I didn't even, you saw their wives after the game when they came down

on the field after a big game. You didn't see, man, if Alabama beat Eastern Michigan, you didn't see Mr. A coach Saban's wife on the field missed it. Now, they beat Auburn. They beat Georgia. They win the national championship. You're going to see Ms. Terry by its side. Yeah.

But that was the only time. So I think the biggest thing is, Ocho, given what we know about Coach Belichick and how he's run his programs and is 20 years in New England, matters to distractions. Guys, we don't need distraction. Him saying very little.

And for the most part, a lot of the things being talked about is his girlfriend. They're not talking about his team is bad. They ain't really anything good to say about it. But the distraction that he's allowing to be. created.

And so that's what's surprising, I think, to a lot of people, because we've never seen a coach of his caliber. Like, dude, like this. I mean, I saw, like, before the game, Ocho, like, he's on, like, he's on the sideline and she's back there, and they're talking. Like, they're going over game playing. I'm like, well, damn, this. I said, I don't know.

So I was just like, I wonder, I wonder what's going to be saying. I can assure you. even he's coach Belichick. I don't know if the alumni, I don't know if the chancellor, the president or whatever they call him at the University of North Carolina. I don't know if that's what they signed up for.

I agree. It's odd. It doesn't coincide with everything that he's been about, about football throughout the entire entirety of his whole career. So I agree. I would think that somebody within the higher ups of North Carolina are kind of be like, what exactly is this? What are we doing here?

Because if she's sitting there drawing some plays in the dirt and breaking down film and trying to get us some game playing out of stuff, and so be it. We'll take that wherever we can get it. We'll take it from the janitor. We'll take it from anybody we can get it throughout the organization. But that's not what this is. Clemson, which was the top five team to open the season,

is one and three after Syracuse lost at home. They lost at home to Syracuse, 3421. Dabo was seeing crying on the field after the game. Nick Sabin has some tough love advice for Dabo. Dabo needs to look at what he needs to do in this program to make this program continually successful. Do you have to change the portal? Do you have to change name, image, and likeness?

The game has changed. You need to change with it. Otherwise, you're not going to put yourself in the same position other people are and have a chance to be successful. This is the worst start to Clemson since 2004 and the worst start ever in the Sweeney era. You know, he talks about, I don't believe in the portal, I don't believe in this, I don't believe players should get paid.

Okay, Davo, there are a lot of coaches that thought like that until they started getting their ass kicked by teams that were using the portal when the teams that were using the NIL. Now, one or two things are going to happen, Davo. either you're going to adapt or you're going to do like Coach Saban or you're going to do like Coach K or you're going to do like some of these others

you're going to go sit your ass down because if you think your way you think somebody's going to go to hey now you're going to still get some players but if you think a player you have an opportunity to go to Ohio State in Alabama and Georgia and Miami or Michigan

and they can get $2 million or go to Clemson and somebody oh get a Scott I just know bro that they're happening Hey it's not going to work Johnny, Dabo knows that. The landscape of football has changed. College football is different now.

Listen, y'all might not watch soccer, but like Liverpool and Man City, you have to pay to win. If you play, if you play FIFA, if you play Ultimate Team, if you play Madden, you got to pay to win. It's the same thing in college football. Dabo says some of the things you said in the past. That lets me know that you don't want to adapt to the times that we're in now. What means basically, you're trying to use a Blackberry. you try to use a flip phone it's not going to work two way every two way uh listen you still using that too hey johnny everything is evolved the game is evolved and if you

don't evolve with it it's going to die it's going to pass you by that chate decided because remember ocho he was supposed to retire once the players started getting paid once these players start getting paid it'll be a time for dabble to lead the game what dabble do got a raise. Now check this out. Dabo said most of the guys that's in the portal aren't good enough to play for Clemson. Well, Syracuse just beat Clemson with a transfer

quarterback, transfer offensive lineman, transfer a leader receiver, transfer a leading tackling. Hey. You might have players that ain't good enough to play for Clemson, and that'd be your problem. Why are you over there bumping your gums?

Yeah. Listen, he stood on business. He stood on business this last too. We won the conference eight out of ten years. I respected what he said, right? Because his pedigree of what he's done, his show him for itself. Of course, they've been at the top of the ACC which, if we're just being honest,

hasn't been a very strong conference or had really competition in anything for the last decade. So they're kind of cakewalking through a lot of it, to be honest. It hasn't been very competitive. You get to the ACC championship game. They're mopping people by 40. The teams are

battling to go seven and six. like, okay, yes, you've won the conference. Not a very good one, to be honest. Yes, you've been in some national champions. You've had some great players that have come through. Those days of what they were doing, Deshawn Watson, all the guys that came through. Defense of Lyman that they had, Ocho.

All the things. There ain't no players on that Clemson roster that look like that. D-Hop. There ain't it. So you're going to have to go and adapt and be like, we'll take, maybe you don't have to go to hit the portal and get 15 guys. But you better go take three or four.

You better go take three, four, or five. You better look around and start studying some film and seeing what guys are doing from smaller schools and go get you one. Because if not, people on your schedule are going to go get you one. And they're going to whoop that ass. Look at Georgia. Look at the teams that go,

the best safety in college football is Caleb Downs. He left the University of Alabama. Everybody gets, because, you know, he said, hey, this program, I, you know, I win, I do it. Okay. Let me know how that works. got for you. Now, we're going to check back with you in a couple years. Now, I understand. She's

absolutely right, Ocho. He's won the championship. He's won the conference eight out of ten years. What they've got to do it now? To my point. They paid you for that. Now, if you think that you're going to just be able to coach, well, I won eight out of ten years and we'll be having this same conversation three, four years

from now, that ain't going to happen, Davo, because what you've done is you've created expectations. Certain programs, you have expectations. Daum, you created that for Clemson. Alabama have expectations. Ohio State has expectation. Michigan

has expectations. Georgia has expectations. Oklahoma has expectations. Certain teams have created what we call expectations. If you think, because what you've done in the past,

that's going to be good enough? No, it's not. Boy, they fly a Coker. He won national championship. Look at the record that he had. Yeah. I have a question. Yes. Because of his resume, because of what he's done in the past,

how much of a leash does devil have if things continue to go sour this season? I think another year, two max. He got another year or two for sure. He's earned that with what he's done for sure. And you give him a chance to adapt. I still think this Clemson team will find a way to write this ship a little bit. You look at the rest of their schedule. I mean, North Carolina.

coming up, Boston College, SMU has a decent team, but they're still sitting at two and two. Duke, and then Florida State, Louisville, Furman, South Carolina. So, I mean, they'll be able to ride the ship, make this season look somewhat respectable,

but at the end of the day, it's playoff or bust right now. That's a down year for them, one that makes it really hard to go into recruiting and everything else that comes along with it. And that's the problem that you have, because South Carolina,

even though they lost again today, you know, South Carolina, you know, could possibly beat them again, could beat them. And you look, first of all, you're not making the college football playoff with three losses. That's not going to happen. And so now what are you selling? What are you selling them?

Yeah, you made the college, I think they made the college football playoff last year. So you could sell that. But you, you, it's been a while. He's going to have to adapt. You're tough to build on. You really are selling the past and selling a little bit of a legacy and you come to a good school,

good education. We have a good football program, but you're not selling it that we have a great football program right now. You have pieces that are on your roster that you can look at when you come to practice and you come see how the guys work, the facilities. You still have something great to offer, right? That's the positive thing for Clemson. You have a coach that knows how to get guys to the next level. That's a positive thing. I think you have a coach there that seems like a great person, seems like a good leader, seems like he runs a good program, one that if you're looking at from a parental aspect, you would be like, I want my son to go there and play for this man. He's going to come out better. He's going to get a good education. He's going to be

able to play high-level football. So you have a lot of things still going for you at Clemson. But at the end of the day, winning is what matters. Being at the top is what matters and having a team and selling point that you can go to the national championship if you come here and play for this school. That's a major, major thing. You're absolutely right. And, you're not getting that level of player. I mean, think about it, you lose, you go from Deshaun to Trevor Lawrence, you got Kristen Wilkins,

you got Cleland Farrell, you got Dexter Lawrence, you got A.J. Terrell, you go Sammy Watkins and DeAndre Hopkins and you go Martavius Bryant. You look at the level of talent that they were getting. Not getting that now. No, it was a fact.

You're not getting it if your pocketbook ain't open. He's not getting, if he ain't writing no checks. Yeah, a Tahoe ain't going to get it west upon a time. A Tahoe or Denali would get you something. Now, with the other kids giving you Lambo than Ferrari and McLarence, that ain't going to, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, do you want a denou, do you want a deniali or do you want a Cadillac or do you want a Cullinan it? The choice is yours.

He's cool on his, he, he cool on a smart car. Hey, hey, Ocho, I understand it clips of South Carolina, Johnny, and pickups might be handed. So maybe you offer a Shelby, one of those Shelby forwards. Yeah. They're nice. I almost got me one. Almost got one.

I might swing back around in two years, but I was like, you know, hey, right now I'm not in the pickup space and space. Hmm. I got you. I got you. Johnny, we're going to get you out here on this one. Indiana destroyed the fighting of line eye. 63 to 10 in top 25 matchups. If I'm not mistaken, it was the first time

both of these teams, teams had been ranked since 1951. Hosting the ninth ranked Illinois, Bloomington, Saturday night, the number 19 Hoosiers manhandle Luke Otmire and the fighting a line eye. They swarmed the quarterback all night, harassing him in the quick throws, and they beat them 63 to 10,

demoralizing Brett Bilemma's team. 63 to 10. You're not supposed to get beat 63 to 10 Johnny, if you're two top 25 matchups, and they're supposed to happen? You've been a top 10 team for most of the season. You have a lot of expectations going into it. You get 63 hung on you.

This is a humbling, humbling moment in their season and one that will define their season, right? Indiana gets a lot of flack from last year, getting into the playoff or are they deserving of being there? They get routed in the playoff. Everybody's kind of making fun of them. But what you do with that going to the playoff is you build off of it. you have good players that are experienced that have been there they know what it's like they

won a lot of games last year so you're building a culture that's hey we're winning some games we are not the indiana of old we are not going to be pushed around and bullied and when you go out and score 63 and 10 versus a ranked team that's something you build on in a positive way on the other side with illinois this is a wake-up call this is man maybe we were reading too many of those press clippings about how great we how great we were but we are what we thought we were. And this is a time for us to either come together, button up, and still go do what you want to do in the season.

One loss versus a ranked team that you look back and is going to be fighting for a playoff spot doesn't kill you. But you either shrink and hide and it changes your season or you come together strong as a unit and try to fix the things you need to fix because 63 to 10 is, that's a day that you'll remember for a while. Yeah, yeah. You get beat like that.

You're a, ain't nobody going out. I ain't no part. Hey, man, you're going to the, you go into the, you go into the, uh, the frat park. Hell, no. You think I want somebody, you think I want somebody to see me after this ass whipping I just took? Oh, no. I'll see y'all.

I'll see y'all Monday. I ain't need to leave my room. I'm having my roommate pick me something up. It's postmates for that voice tonight. Yeah, man. Yeah, no. Coming outside. No, man.

Hey, I, I, first of all, I wasn't really outside like that anyway, Ocho. But if we lost by more than a touchdown, No, I couldn't die. This is a bottle of whiskey on the couch and the Xbox type of night. You're going to be trying to need a box of tissue after this one because you're going to be sitting there looking at the mirror, staring at the ceiling, like, damn, we went out sad. Boy, those jokes who put nine tubs on us, nine of the bag.

Oh, hell, no. You're sitting on the sideline for the boys who didn't play, and you're just going flying by you in the end zone. All you see is refs raising their hands. all night. Hey, smell of the odor all night. Like, yeah, he got on sure.

Yeah, he got on sure. Thank you, Johnny, for joining us tonight. Make sure you guys go subscribe to the pot, Johnny, Glory Days, featuring Johnny Mansell on his YouTube channel. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Make sure you hit that like button. There it is on the screen.

Glory Days with Johnny Manzell. Johnny. Before I go, I am off to the great city of Las Vegas here right after this. I need a number from each of you. I'm hitting the roulette table. What we got? Hey, Johnny, do me a favor.

You like Frank Sinatra? You like the right pack? The rat pack? You know it. You know it. Do me a favor. Go and see the rat pack at the Tuscany Hotel and Casino at some point we're in Vegas. It's a wonderful show.

You like it and you enjoy it. I'm not sure. I try to get on to go. He's not listening to it. Maybe I can get you to go. I'm going to go check it out. I need two numbers for both of you because I go. I'm putting a rack on each of them.

I got it. And you need to teach me out of gamble, man. I got you. Baccarat's my thing. I'm about to go. Yeah. You want a number. See, I mean, I really never played roulette.

So you want, you. I'm not a one through, one through, one through thirty six, both of you. 27. 27. Eight. And eight. I split the profits. All right, Ben.

Enjoy it, man. Have a good with Johnny Manzell. Podcast Glory Day with Johnny Manzell. make sure you go check it out. Appreciate it, Johnny. Ocho, Brown's wide receiver, Jerry Judy said last week the 11-and-a-half-point betting line against the Ravens was disrespectful.

Judy just fired off double-barrow middle fingers during the pregame introduction. Judy would fired $14,491 for the gesture to the crowd and also the Ravens won 41-17. More than double what the spread was. Hey, hey, uh, there were a few fines that the NFL handed out that's like listen I understand the double finger

double barrel middle finger that won't get you every time they don't get you every time um they find Sequan Barkley $46,000 on for lowering his helmet he plays running back unc you told me that they didn't call it you say they don't he call that I saw the day I saw the day go by on Twitter

and I looked at the play I mean, what the hell is he supposed to do? Like, what are we doing? What is the competition committee or whoever it is, whoever's passing out these fines, it's still the game of football. Can't lower your head anymore, I told you. You can't change the way you play.

You can't change the way you play. You can't change the way you tackle. What are we doing? Hey, I thought you always spoke when I did play running back. They always say run behind your pads. And even when I wasn't a running back, I tried to, you know, I would go go into a crowd. I'm going to run behind my pants.

Right. You got to. I'm not going to give you all this to hit. Hey, and if you don't run behind your pads, you're going to get yourself hurt. Sure will. They'll slow your ass in half. Hey, then you will be running behind your pads because your ass be doubled up. Yep. Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient. Still using yesterday's tech, upgrade to the ThinkPad X1 Carbon, Ultra Light, Ultra powerful, and built for serious productivity with Intel Core Ultra processors.

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