Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho & LaDainian Tomlinson react to TCU BLOWING OUT Belichick's UNC & Saquon NO. 1 in NFL's Top 100!

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the TCU vs North Carolina opener tonight, Cowboys Lamb and Diggs defend Micah Parsons rumors, and the great LaDainian Tomlinson joins the show & much more! 06:55 - TCU-UNC17:15 - NFL Top 10037:15 - Thurman Thomas is upset with NFL’s treatment of RBs (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Man, I don't get to see you often. And now that I have a chance to see you, I got to tell you, It was a pleasure. It was a pleasure of playing on the same field with you. It was a pleasure of watching you. And I get the chance to tell you, brother, I love you, man, and I salute you for all you've accomplished, man. So it's, for me, it's an honor.

For real. Thank you, old child. I appreciate that, brother. We classmates. You know, we came in together. We ride and down together, mate. So I love you, man. That's what's up.

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They got the ball go right down the field. I said, okay. I said, Coach Belichick might have got a mistaken. Mm-hmm. But come to find out, all he did, they just pooped on the field. That's the only stink out there because, boy, they stunk it up tonight. Uh, 48 to 14, the horn frogs travel on the road. Go down to Chapel Hill.

Who, Chapel Bill. They need to pray for it because they're going to go get real ugly. They're going to go get ugly before it get better. Ocho and LT. But 48 to 14. to 14. TCU really had their way with them. Over 500 yards of total offense. They did a great job. They threw the ball well. They ran the ball exceptionally well. And North Carolina, look, I don't understand it's Coach Belichick's first year there, but you see the talent, the discrepancy.

Now, I'm not saying TCU is Ohio State. No. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying their LSU or one of those programs, but they have more talent than the Tar Heels. LT watch this game I know you had a vested interest in this game You're a great alum of TCU What did you like about what you saw from your ball club Well to your point Your point on we have a veteran team man

You know we have guys that have played a lot of football And you know when you have a veteran team guys That have you know been in some tough games Have weather to storm You're supposed to win a game like this Versus a team you know in UNC who has brought in a lot of transfers. It's a lot of turnover. They still don't know what they have yet. So I'm just keeping it honest. We were supposed to win this game. But what I like for my team,

like typically, we can throw the ball all over the yard. But lately we have had a trouble, we've had a little trouble running the football to close out games. And you guys know, as an RB, we got to be able to run the football. So that's what I love the most tonight, is when we had to run the ball in the second half, man, we dominated. We controlled a lot of scrimmish. We had like three or four running backs in there running the football, and I

think that bodes well for us in the Big 12. You took the ball the first player to drive, the first play or the drive in the second half, and you go 75 yards. The guy goes 75 yards untouched. So it was a harbager of things to come. Ocho, you watch this ball game. Yeah.

There's a lot of fanfare. Everybody's talking about Coach Belichick. We know what he's accomplished at the NFL. level. They started going through all his accolades, the six Super Bowl wins, the nine Super Bowl appearances, the 17, 18 division titles and yada, yada, yada, but now he's at, he's coaching players. And I think for, to a certain point, all coaches have patience. But I think you have to show even more patience now, even though some of these guys are getting paid. It's not like an NFL roster where every single guy is getting paid. But watching this game, Ocho, what did you, is there

anything, is there anything you can take positive from what you saw from North Carolina? I mean, the only thing I can take positive from North Carolina is the head coach of Bill Belichick. That's the only positive thing I can take. You're playing a TCU team. Obviously, you can see the discrepancy in the level of talent at each position. And one thing that Bill Belichick always harped on, he always harped on is turnovers. You can't turn the ball over. You can't make mistakes.

It's one thing, do your job and everything else will take care of itself. Now, I'm not sure North Carolina schedule. And I'm not sure the team they have coming forward, but when it comes to a team that's evenly matched, you know, from skill set, from from skill set, whether it be defensively or offensively, we would get to see a better outcome from Bill, from from Bill and that coaching staff. Coaching can only do so much, huh? Yeah. LT. Coaches can only do so much at the point. You have to go out there and execute.

And it's a team game, but it's 11 individuals on the field and you got to win your job. You got to win your individual battle. and then the outcome of team comes into play. They weren't out coached, but they were out class because of the level of talent that TCU had tonight. Obviously. I think they looked a little. Go ahead.

I think they looked. Yeah, I was going to say, I think they looked a little better when the backup quarterback came in, Max Johnson. They looked a little bit better. He threw the ball a little bit better. They had a little bit better rhythm to their offense. And if you guys know, that's Brad Johnson's son.

So you know he has the pedigree. in order to play the position so maybe they make that turn to this young man who obviously has played a lot of football. He's been to LSU, Texas A&M, so he's played a lot of football. I agree. I agree.

They have a question on. LT and I have a question for quick. Would they really make a move already from the starting quarterback after just one game or do they give him another chance? Will they make a move that fast? The way he looked? Yeah, he really didn't look good.

And the question, is how close was the quarterback battle because it said, I mean, they said he won the battle. So how close was it? Was it a runaway or was it a last second decision? But I agree with you, LT, because this young man is played at the top, he was a starting quarterback in the SEC. He was starting quarterback at LSU. He was a starting quarterback at Texas A&M. And for him, I'm surprised that he didn't win the job outright. I think we need to give Mr. Lopez a little credit, but he didn't look good tonight. Now, let's, okay, it's one game, game is not going to determine, but it's not going to, you can't have a long. Oh, Joe,

you only got 10, 11 games. Yeah, I can't wait for five games in to say, okay, I'm going to pull the plug. Now, it's a lot, you get a, you get a lot quicker hook in college than you do in the NFL because you have 17 weeks, uh, as opposed to like 11 weeks. And, but look, they don't, they're not good. We, yeah, yeah, yeah, make a long story, short guys, they're talking about or if they'll have a short leash, a long leash, they're not good. LTU mentioned it. When you get to 70 train, you got 70 new guys, you got 30 freshmen. Come on, man.

What do we expect? What do we expect? And you're playing the ACC. You're playing the ACC. You see how Miami looks? Oh, yeah. Miami looked at last night, man. Yes.

Oh, you got, you got Clemson in that division. And that, excuse me, in that conference. So North Carolina, the Tar Heels is going to have. have to be on their best behavior. Now, I'm not saying, look, Wake Forest. We'll see what Wake Forest has and NC State. And there are a couple of other teams, the Dukes. But right now, Carolina needs a lot.

I mean, what I was most disappointed in was their defense. Because that's where Coach Belichick, that's where his son, Steve Belichick, they cut their teeth. They're normally, hey, when you come home, I already knew what my grandfather hat was supposed to go. So when he took it off and handed it to me, Ocho, I wouldn't put it right on the hat right because I know where it was supposed to be. The tarhield are supposed to be able to hang the hat on what, Ocho?

Defense. Yeah. You got the greatest defense of mine and his son. Hold on. Hold on. LT. Listen, you got the greatest defense of mind, right? Yes.

He was the greatest defense of mind, but he also had the tools out there on the field to be able to execute everything he brought to his mind. Yes. But now you're at the collegiate level. You might have. He'll need horses to run. Hey, listen. They didn't stop nothing.

You got to have the talent there. You have to have a talent. You got to. You can't you can't have a beautiful mind with a tense and finish. Right. They didn't stop nothing. Alti, you remember you guys remember

we used to be in the game and some of the defense, watch the run, watch the pass. Yeah, but you can't stop either one of them so it don't matter what we do. Right. You're right. We're going to do one of the other.

but you can't stop either one that was that was the tar heels tonight they couldn't stop anything guy had one carry 28 yards 11 carries a buck 13 with a 75 yard a touchdown 7 carries for 28 yards I mean 35 for 258 I'm like bro are y'all talk about the receiver the receiver had what 10 catches for 11 for 11 13 yards yes sir yes sir they didn't stop nothing nothing so to your point like they got a hang they had on something like that that's bill bellichick's mo you know to be able to take something away and tonight they didn't have the horses to be able to take anything yeah and and and in horse racing look a good friend of mine bob baffer he trained two uh triple crown winners american pharaoh and justify but at the end of the day yeah

that has plays a role but he had the fair breads to run so whether your west is old de wayne and Lucas, Shug McGahey, Bob Baffer, it does not matter. If you do not have horses to run, you cannot win significant races. In football, look, and I don't take anything away from Andy Reed and all these great coaches, but you got to have players. At the end of the day, it is the gyms and the Joes. It ain't no X of the Nose because you can have all the minds you want to. It's the gyms and the Joles that's going to determine how good those X's and Nose actually are.

time every but not a not a great start to coach bellichick's college career college coaching career they lose at home 48 to 14 and um outside of that opening drive that game what really wasn't close and they took a knee they took a knee on a goal to go situation or they could have had a uh a family a party style nuggets a 50 piece on them yeah they're gonna be all right though um they'll t they're gonna be all right. They're going to be all right. I don't know if they're going to be all right this year. Yeah, no, they're going to have some, they're going to have some ups and downs, but they're going to compete. They're going to compete. Bill is the type of coach that even if you're losing, even with losses like tonight, even with loss like tonight,

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Any surprises, are you surprised? L-T, Ocho, are you surprised that Sequan beat I, Josh Allen, and Lamar, to be the number one player in the NFL this season. Voting on by his peers. LTF, Rock. I'm a bit surprised. So am I. Because we're living in the world where it's all about the quarterback,

and we know that. And rightfully so. I mean, Josh Allen is the reigning MVP, okay? So you would think that, you know, he would get the most votes from his peers. And even beyond Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson with the type of season, that he had last year, man, he had one of the top seasons from any quarterback in history.

You hear me? So, you know, I'm very surprised. I mean, Sequin obviously had a spectacular year and, you know, got close to the Russian record of a single season, but he didn't get it. And so, you know, that holds weight that he didn't get it, but he did win the Super Bowl. So I think players at the end of the day are giving him credit for being, you know, going over 2,000 yards and winning the Super Bowl championship

and being the catalyst for that Eagles team. And office a player of the year. That's right. And I think that had a lot to do with it. Look, I think he deserves it. Sequin has really elevated the running back position, the value, the value

of the running back position. So hands down, I salute Sakewan, man, for being the number one player. Respect. And we've talked more about the running back position. in 24 and leading into 25, then we have at any point in time in the last decade, guys,

because of what we saw with Derek Henry, what we saw with Saquan Barkley, what we saw with Josh Jacobs, what we saw with Joe Mixing. There were a lot of running backs, like, hold on, Jonathan Taylor. Hold on. They still got some.

Jamir Gibbs, don't forget, Jim Gibbs. So they're trying to say, look, there is still value when used correctly. So y'all want to put them behind, y'all want to put them behind, no quarterback, so, so offensive line, look at all these guys that we mentioned, Sequan Barkley,

look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line. Derek Henry, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line. Joe Mixer, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line. Gibbs, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line. Josh Jacob, look at his quarterback. You see a real current theme here? Yeah. But see, y'all, but when a quarterback doesn't succeed, boy, they make a excuse in the

world. Now, all of a sudden, the running back knows to see, oh, man, he over the hill. There ain't no value in him. No, you're right. Ain't nobody running behind that ain't got no line. And if I sit my defense and your quarterback can't beat me, I am not going to let your running back beat me. You saw what the Chiefs tried to do in the Super Bowl guys. They say, we are not letting Sequin beat us. Josh, uh, uh, uh, Jala Hurd said, okay, you know what? I don't drag no beer, but hold it's gingerill. I got something for y'all. I got something for y'all. Go ahead on Joe. Are you surprised to see Seiquan to the top?

You got two backs in the top 10. Top 10. Yeah, most definitely. I wasn't surprised at all. Obviously, Sequan is a tier one back, and those tier one backs are the reason why the value of the running back position is now prevalent because of players like Sequin. Obviously, being in the perfect situation, Eagles, opposite line,

and he's one of the reasons why they were able to reach the Super Bowl, actually take them over the hump and getting back to the Super Bowl. Obviously, we have to give credit their defense as well. but Josh Allen had a great season. Lamar Jackson had a great season. But I think the number one spot was given to Saquan not with just his play on the field, but what he does also off the field

and the fact that he was able to win the ring was the cherry on top. So it was a no-brainer as far as your peers picking him as number one. Yeah. So Saquan Barclay voted by his peers as the number one player in the NFL in the top 100. Lamar Jackson was second. Lamar Jackson was second last year. Josh Allen is number three.

I think he was outside of the top 10. Jamar Chase was way down. He's number four. Patrick Mahomes was number four last year. He's number five. Whoa, whoa. What you mean way down? I think it was 35 last year, Ocho.

Chase was. Yeah, he was, yeah. Oh, I thought you said way down. No, no, no. I was saying compared to where he was last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lamar was two last year. I think Josh Allen was 12.

I think Jamar Chase was like 35. Patrick Mahomes was four. Joe Burrow was a little outside of the top 20. think Derek Henry, Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett was number five. Justin Jefferson had coming off that sensational year. He got in, I think you got Nick, but Justin Jefferson has been a top player. He's, he's been Mr. Consistent. And, you know, defensive player to your passion and certain. But I think with mainly with Sequin and Derek Henry, what they were able to do. One guy went for 2000. The other guy went for 1921. First time I got his rush for 1900 yards

didn't win the rushing title. So that just goes to show you. how well the other guy played. Because normally L.T., you get 1,900 yards. You're like, yeah, I got that rush. I got that thing in the bag. Yeah. What? Absolutely.

And let's keep this in mind, guys. The easiest way to win games is still running the football. I mean, because you take away the chances of turning it over and crazy things happening. When you can run the football and impose your wheel, you know, cut down on the game, you help your defense and all that kind of stuff. So I think at the end of the day, that's why we're starting. See, just a little shift.

I'm not saying we're going completely back to when you, when we. No, not 30, no, no, no, not 90, $30,000, no. We ain't going to never get back there. No, we ain't going to never get back there. But I think there is more teams that's starting to focus on the run game a little bit more to control games, especially when you have a young quarterback or a quarterback who can manage things at the line of scrimmage. Like all the ones you mentioned, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, all those guys. guys that have good running backs as well it's not going back because you see where these quarterback

salaries are going you're about to have a quarterback making 70 million you're not paying the guy 70 million dollars to turn around and hand it to a guy that's making 10 million that ain't happening we pay we pay we pay you 70 million to throw it to a guy that's making 40 so that's why you're never going to see and plus why would you because guess what I can get a rough in the passer I can get illegal contact I can get unnecessary roughness I got so many people things that can go right if I just throw the football. You see deep... But you're still putting that $70 million quarterback in jeopardy

if you got a defense that's in there. Yeah, but for $70 million, I'm in jeopardy. You see what Josh Allen, you see what Josh Allen just got this offseason L.T? 330 million, a quarter of a billy, guaranteed. But you know, you got to think about too, you got to remember this NFL to LT. This is the passing league. And backs that can take that time.

time off the clock that can get the defense of wrestle on the sideline, it's only a handful of them. It's only a handful of them like they can really carry that whole office on their back where you don't even have to throw the ball when it comes to crunch time and you want to buy some time and take some time off the clock. It's only a few now. Oh yeah, there's

only a handful of guys. I remember when Peyton Manning came to the Broncos, I mean, he got like 96 million for five years. I mean, just think about that, just and what? for the longest time, 25 million was pretty good money for a great money for a quarterback.

And then it went to 30. And then they're like, no, 30 ain't nothing. Now you're at $60 million. Yeah, $60 million. And guess what, LT, we know this, Ocho. They're gonna add another game. Oh yeah. It's gonna be 18 games.

I give it five years. They're gonna add another playoff game too. That's coming. Because YouTube, YouTube won't on this action. They want to become a network. And the only way to come a network, you got to have live sporting events, mainly the NFL. Guess who else want to go on to get in on that? Netflix, Amazon. Amazon said, you know, look, we love that Thursday night package. We really do, guys. We don't want you to think we're greedy, but we are. We like Black Friday football,

that Friday game after Thanksgiving. But, I mean, we could really use a package. And you're talking about somebody that's sitting on hordes of cash. Somebody that's sitting on 30, 40, 50, 100 billion in cash. And the one thing, hey, hmm, money talk, cash screams. Yeah. So we're going to see what's happening, but it's coming. It's coming. What was it?

He said, coach, what's you call him? Say about 2025, he closed. They wanted to be a $20 billion industry. They're close. 20-30, absolutely. They're going to be $25, $30 billion a year. Easy. So let's sit with that one for a minute because I got a question.

Okay, so that means that the season going to have to be prolonged a little bit because the players going to want another buy weeks. Two-by weeks. We used to have two-by-weeks, LT, before you got the league back in the mid-90, you had two-by weeks. Yeah, we had two. Yep, in the 90s. Wow.

Yeah. You had two-by-week. You got to have it. But Ocho, LT, man, they're going to be playing the Super Bowl of God-day going to St. Patrick's Day. Right, right, exactly. And that's what I'm thinking. Because you started out the Labor Day.

If you got two by weeks, think about it. You're already at the second week. You're already at the second week in what you come. So now if you add another playoff game, you're going to be damned in St. Paddy's Day. You damn show up the President's Day in February. You're going to be the third. Hey, you're going to be the third week, fourth week,

well, there's only four weeks in February anyway, but you might be playing on leap year. But that's what the money is, because what else can you do? The only thing you can do is give them another game. There ain't nothing else you can do in the game within the game. You can only give them an additional game to create additional revenue. Revenue, yeah.

And these owners, the one thing we know about them, they can know, that's one thing. You've never heard somebody say. People have said, I got too many pairs of shoes, I got too much jewelry, I got too many cars, I got too many homes. Name the person that's ever saying, man, I got too much money. Yeah, you're right. But listen, you got to remember, too, if they are adding the game, even no matter how long it is, if the season goes in the second, third week of February, the players understand they're getting a bigger piece of the pie too.

They're getting a bigger piece of the pie. Now, I don't know, we don't know what it's going to look like yet. All I want that pie, Ocho. I don't want any. Don't franchise me. No franchise tax. I won't lifetime. If I get 10 years in the league, L.T.

Ocho, I won't lifetime health benefits. That should be a bare minimum, Ocho. LT, that should be a bare minimum. Because let's just say for the sake of argument, you get health insurance for five years after you retire. Yes. The average career is about two and a half to three years. Okay, you retired 25.

bro you ain't going to have no illness nothing really major some at 30 you need that issue 65 down the road yes I mean you can you can you know you can prolong it you can take the for the five years anytime you want to but but at 30 from 25 to 30 nah nah nah no I won't if I get 10 years I won't lifetime health benefits I won't and guess what I don't want you to be able to franchise me yeah no and all this Well, they got to pick one or the other. You know how this works. Oh, show, you know how this works.

You got to come to the table, and the owners are going to tell you you going to get one thing. Which one do you want? Do you want lifetime benefits? Well, then that's what we're going to work out of deal to make it happen. Well, I say, you get one. And then the players going to have to get one. You want an extra regular season game or an extra playoff game. You get one.

Hey, listen, the players got one. person on ALT that a fight for them one person you put me in you put me in position of power to represent the players i'm gonna get us lifetime benefits no franchise tag and what's the other one guaranteed contracts that's my three hey listen i don't know we're fully guaranteed i'm tell you i'll t i'm telling you once i put that suit on once i put that suit and that tie on then you put me in the right room and i flip that switch boy it's a wrap but But the players have got to get something. But they bargained for petty privileges way back when, LT.

Because see, you bargaining and talking about, well, I don't want to do two of days. Well, I don't want to put the pads on but so many times during the course of the year. Bro, you play the game of football. You play tackle football, but you don't want to tackle? Yeah. Yeah. So you bargain for predated privileges. Go look at what Roger Goodell bargained for.

Look at what they bargained for. Different. Now, Roger Goodell ain't taking no hits. he got lifetime medical he gets use of the jet you see what he bargained you see the difference between bargaining what I'm bargaining for and what you bargaining for he won't benefits

they think a long term too even though he's making $30, $40 million a year he wants someone else to pay for those lifetime benefits but uncle why you think I mean think about it why as players the current players why aren't they thinking about lifetime benefits

why isn't that area of focus I'm not, I'm not going to get a debilitating illness. I'm not going to get anything that's going to disrupt what I've already got. I remember, and I'm not going to call anybody's name because I was in the league when free agency actually happened, LT. And there are a lot of guys, man, you give me a million dollars. Damn them benefits. I buy my own health insurance. Now, I ain't telling what somebody told you.

I'm telling you what I know. Because I was in the league with the Reggie White and the self-joiners when they filed that petition and it came and we got free agency. And that's what a lot of guys say. You give me a million dollars. You give me $2 million. I buy my own health care. That's right. And that's my point,

that's my point, because most players feel like that. We invests it. Absolutely. We never think about what's going to happen, you know, after we retire 10, 15 years after we retire. We never think about that.

We are warriors. We only think about what's happening now and getting as much money as possible for us to live off of. And see what happens. You get a situation where, you get a divorce or you have a couple of kids outside and next thing you know 5,000 10,000 15,000 a month the wife take half she takes half your pension so now you have the person that you

went into the relationship with now long term because if somebody would have told me when I was 25 30 35 40 that I was going to have both of my hips replaced I wouldn't have believed it So now you're talking about $125,000 surgery per. Okay, you get, I mean, some of these cancer drugs, you're talking about $30,000, $40,000 a month. A what, whoa. A month, a month. A month.

A month. Yes. So like L.T. To your point, LT, we don't think we think we're invincible. And things that happen to normal citizens that didn't play in NFL. that ain't going to happen to us we're not going to become a burden we're not going to have Alzheimer's we're not going to have dementia we're not going to suffer Lou Gehries we're not going to suffer things that is a stress when you have to have 24-hour care boy that he

well that'll eat that'll eat up a savings and so they don't you don't you don't think about things like that but I wish the players would think give it more care more consideration when they think long term and said, like, you know what? Okay. Yeah. But a lot of, and plus guys, other sports, they think about the guys that's coming after them. You see, Kurt Flood, he never benefited for free agency, cost him his career, but everybody else that did. You see, nobody is willing to risk anything that might cost them. Right. And the thing is, Ocho, and I told, T, I told Ocho this, sometimes you've got to plant a tree realizing that you're not

going to benefit from the shade it produces sometimes you've got to fight for something that you're not going to be the benefits of what you're actually fighting for think about all the people in the 60s that fought for civil rights never got a chance

come on now that never got a chance to sit to go to a segregate non-segregated place that never got an opportunity to do anything but sit in the back that never got an opportunity to see a black president that never got an opportunity to some of the things that we get afforded sometimes you have to be willing to sacrifice some things for the betterment of everything and i don't think enough people think of it like that well said well said my grandfather

worked in the cotton field so that it so I could be living in this house right now yeah you know we didn't pick my my my uncles and aunt my uncles my mom my uncle's older uncles because they were born they were born in the 40s so they you know they picked cotton my grandmother my mom is the oldest girl so my grandmother was still having kids the oldest girl what she had to do take care of the boat take care of the other kids until they got big enough to get their ass in the cotton field my grandma pregnant and still picking cotton my grandma my grandma's grandfather was dipping, dip in tar, unless you're from the size, you probably don't know what that is, but he was dipping tar. So it was, it was a different way back there, excuse me guys.

Ash told me, a lot of y'all in the chat asked me why I get off camera and my nose. It's really hard for me to blow my nose because I got a plate in my eye, and I have to be very, very careful because I end up blowing the plate out. My nose will start bleeding if I blow my nose too hard. So instead of just blowing it, I just wipe it. And I don't want to be on camera wiping my nose in front of the world to see. So that's why I just remove myself to the side. So I do have a plate that's had to be replaced a couple of times because I had a fractional orbital. But that's why I'm doing that, guys.

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Rather than rewarding running back for production, once their rookie contract expire, has happened at almost every position. The NFL's 1991 MVP, my dog, Thurman Thomas, is upset that teams are instead letting them go and moving on to the next younger, cheaper player. You still deserve a contract. The first team has to put you through hell yet. I'm still ready to go. Haven't had any injuries.

And I give me my damn money, Thurb, told the Associated Press, with such a turnover, it's a reason why only three running backs, Barclay, McCaffrey, and Henry are averaging 15 million per this season as compared to 26 wide receivers. It's not even the receiver money. It's like we're hanging with the punters and the kickers. You're right.

They're looking at it like, Ocho. The best year is on the tire of a car is when it's brand new. Yeah. You drive that car all over the city. You put 50,000 miles on the car. The tires ain't the same. That's how they look at running backs, LT.

That's how they look at y'all. They're like LT. Yeah. Hold on. LT, we gave you the ball 270 times. And you caught 100 passes. That's 300 times. And you did that one, two, three.

Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. That's how they think. Yeah. But listen, but the Thurmond Thomas' point, that's how they think with the tier two and below running backs. The tier ones are the ones that are still making the big money. Not as much as the receivers.

Not as much nowhere near the quarterbacks, but the tier ones that could change your whole offense, your tier ones to LT's point that can kill that time and let your defense rest for a little bit, especially in garbage time when it's time to end a game. It's only a few. It's only a handful of those. That's why it's only a handful.

Make 12, 13, 14, what? But think about it, guys, to Thurman's point, where does Saquan Barkley have to do to go get that money? Was it with the Giants or with it with someone else? Oh, no. Where did Derek Henry have to go, Ocho, to get that money? Was it with the Titans or was it with the Ravens? And remember last year, he played on $8 million deal.

He had two years for $16 million. Oh, but it came back. They came back to him. Yes. So really the only guy that's ever gotten money at the running back position, you've got to go back to Zeke. And Zeke was probably the one that really hurt because he was never the same after he got that money.

And everybody looked at everybody looked, that Zeke, and they say, hold on, look at that offensive line he got. He got two for show Hall of Famers, a potential Hall of Famer that retired, the center retired because he's like, I don't want to do it anymore. And Zeke just stepped off a cliff, yards per game went down, yards per carry get down. Don't remember, he heard his knee too. He heard his knee real bad. He didn't hurt his knee every year, Ocho.

But, yeah. But see, but see, this is how you solved that. For one, the running backs that. are game changing. The guys that can hit a home run from any spot on the field that can catch the ball and do everything, they're going to be the ones that have to change the game.

And when I say change the game, guys, I'm meaning sign shorter deals. Strike when the iron is hot. Running backs, two or three-year deals. You know, because think about it, most running backs, they can perform and perform at a high level early in their career.

Like it doesn't take long for them to, you know, kind of become a staple in the offense and get going and become one of the top at their positions. It don't take long. So why can't you come back to the table after two and three years and then sign a shorter deal, a two-year deal?

Two-year, let's say two-year 50 million. Oh, you ain't going to get that, Ocho. That's true. Let me tell you why they're not going to do it, Ocho. I mean, L-T. because in order for me to give you a big signing bonus, I need to prorated over the life of the contract.

So even if you want a two-year deal, let's just say, oh, LT, you want a two-year deal for $40 million. And I want to give you, I want to give you, I say I give you $20 million to sign. Well, I only get to pro-rate that over two years. So now that's 10, so let's just say for the sake of argument, I give you $2 million.

So I give you $2 million, that's $12 million. And guess what? Now, that's 28 million, that's 30, your next, that next year is 38 million cap here. They're not going to let that happen. So, and plus when you are running back and you had a, uh, uh, uh, your first round draft pick, I got you for three years. Five years. I got you for five.

Now, if I'm nice, if I'm nice and you on time and you haven't been injured, I'll do the deal after three. But if not, I know I got a fourth year, a fifth year option, and two franchise tag. So I got you for seven years and I ain't got to. do nothing. That's nasty work. It is absolutely. That's that Jerry Jones work you talk about right now. The next

running back that's going to hit big and there won't be any question about it. There won't be, we don't really value the running back position because we know what you can get. One of the few players, one of the few running backs in the NFL that can hit their head off the goalpost from anywhere on the field, that's brother that's Brother Jamir Gibbs down there in Detroit.

Yep. Oh, he, I'm talking about he's going north of 17, 18. Oh, absolutely. B. John Robertson going to get paid too. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's another. They got to go above 20, though, guys. Like, in order to reset the market for future guys in their position, that everybody ain't going to get that. We know that.

Everybody's not going to get that, but the special ones, they got to get that. You kid, 20? I'm surprised that they did this for Sequin. Because think about it, guys, he got a $50 million quarterback. You got a $50 million quarterback. You got a $20,000. You got a $30 million, a $30 million receiver, a $28 million receiver, yeah. Yeah, and you got a $20 million running back.

And you got, look at Lane Johnson, what he made, look at what My Allotta made, look at what Dickerson's mate. They pay it. Yeah. They did, they just redid, a, uh, uh, uh, brawn. You know you got to see that, that man child in the middle, Jalen Carter. You got to see him. You got two guys on the edge that in another year, you're going to have to see one of

him. Listen, Jalen Cardiff, and reset the whole market at every at every position. Well, I don't know if he's, I don't think you're catching Micah, but the number CJ, Chris Jones, Stone Co. Jones for the Kansas City Chiefs,

he's at 31 and a half for DT. So he's way over everybody else at the DT position. Yeah, most definitely. What you're talking about the guy that's 24, 25, but he don't realize how good he can be. He still don't know how good he can be. You know, you know why he's not going to catch Micah? Or he might not, he's going to overlap,

he's going to leave, overleap Chris Jones. Yes. Because Howie and Jeffrey always pay early. They're not going to wait. They're not going to wait. They're going to pay early. You're not going to turn it down. And plus, Ocho, the sacks. DT, though, like I said, the thing is what spoiled us was Aaron Donald.

Donald, yeah. Because D tackle's not supposed to get 20 sacks LT. They're not supposed to be getting 15 sacks. You start to run. Give us about seven and eight sacks. We have it. Be disruptive. Yeah.

But I agree. But really the only guy, but you got for the longest time, nobody even approached Christian McCaffrey's that 15 and Zeke's 15 for years. It wasn't until Christian McCaffrey got a new deal from the 49ers. That leapfrogged.

And then, because remember, the Giants didn't want to do anything with Saquan. They made him play on the franchise tag. And then they ended up letting him go. And when he let him go, he still didn't get past the 15th. It wasn't until 2,000 yards.

It wasn't until offensive player the year that he got, he broke the $20 million barrier. Think about it. Derek Henry, he was on an $8 to $10 million year contract. So he goes for 1921 and 1617 touchdowns before they finally put him at the 15. So somebody going to, hey, in order to break the, to leap wrong, say quad, boy, you, hey, you're going to have an LT season, 32 touchdowns, office to play out of your MVP. LT, if you want somebody get $25 million, they're going to have to be the season because LT had damn 1900 yards, 30 plus touchdowns.

He caught another 50 passes for another 500 yards unless you're going to have a season like LT had. Yeah. That was the 05 season, right, when y'all came and played us? It was 06. Yeah, the 06 where we played y'all. Y'all jumped up on the, like, I think it was like 21-0. Godly, that thing was rocking there. I don't know what happened.

We lost, man. But y'all just go ahead and walk them down there to L-T. We just, we just, hey, hey, they're over there dancing. Hey, we're on the sound like clapping. Like, okay, they're good. It's first quarter. Y'all did good. LT, when you look around the league today

and there's a lot of running back, what running back reminds you of yourself? Man, that's a good one. I mean, you know, I see traces of myself in different running backs, you know? Like, I think when I think about the jump cut, you know, the balance and spin and stuff, Saquan kind of has that low center of grass.

gravity, being able to bounce from hole to hole and then hit the whole, explosiveness. But when I think about, like, coming out the backfield, you know, I came out the backfield a lot. Gibby, man, give me coming out that back. Because here's the thing that people misunderstand. When you're coming out the backfield, you've got to come out fast.

You can't come out tipping, looking. You got to come out running, man. You know, and so, because there's matchup. It's either going to be a safety or lie back on you. most of the time. So come out running, scare the daylights out of them, and then cut off of them. You know what I mean?

That's what Gibby do so well. So I think those two, I mean, there's a little bit of Christian McCaffrey, some things that he does as well, man. Yeah, those are the guys. I don't think people understand how difficult the running back position is when it comes to those tier runoffics, LT, like you, Jemir Gibb, Seqon.

Derek Henry is a little bit different. He does not like you guys from a... No, no, no. Here is the old-school Belton back. He's an old-school Bel-time-back. Yeah, yeah. But you are Jamir here, for example, and you, too, LT, being able to get the ball and be at, be fast,

being able to come to balance and be able to re-accelerate right, right in and there, and being able to set linebackers up, set safeties up, still make a move, and not move and not lose any, not momentum, but what's the word? No wasting movement. That's what I'm looking for. No waste of moving. everything in one in one transaction one transition everybody can't do that man i told a man stop let the l t run that damn texas route on y'all knock his ass down he didn't do it over looking

across your damn face he's going to run two routes he's going to run the flat he'll come up and make you think he going to run the texas across your face or he going to break it out on your ass and haul ass on you man knock him down i got to a point though you know where they allowed me to step that scene if you if you stay if you stay inside i just stay in that seam i did differ like that up in my oh how one time went by 70 on you called us up we played y'all i think that was my i think that might have been my first year back my first year back in denver where you hit it for like 200 and had 10 catches i said what day i'm like where he come from man it's uh it was like the running back position now l t you see a lot of guys because a lot of

teams run a two-back system that's not what you had you had you were old school tight-in full back in front of you uh low kneel leading no yeah leading the weight that that's that's that's that's what you had in today's game it's more of a two-back system how different is l t's career if he had to split, if he had to split reps. What do you mean if I had to? I wouldn't do it. Like, duh, I was selfish. I ain't coming out the game, though.

You know what I'm saying? And that was part of the reason why, like, I prided myself on being able to do everything. So you didn't have to say, oh, he can't, he can't block, or he can't run this route, or he can't catch. I prided myself on that. and I wanted to take every rep. I was just that competitive

because I believe if I was on the sideline something was going to happen. That, you know, like I couldn't control. So I couldn't do it today, man. And here's the other thing. Like when you're the Bell Cow guy, you're thinking the long call, huh? Ocho, you're thinking, okay, in the fourth quarter

is when I really got to get going. Let me, you know, let me get my yards. I'm going to step out of bounds here and there. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to save myself, but in the fourth quarter, when the boys, a little bit of time, we'll give him the stiff on, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to run through a couple of tackles.

That's when, because that was something that Marty Schottenheimer instilled in me and pose your wheel throughout the game. I mean, I hear it playing in my mind like yesterday. That was something he always said, and we live by it. Yeah, y'all, I mean, you went to the perfect situation because Marty going to run the football. Marty going to run it Marty go put that ball in your

belly LT that's what that's what Marty going to do Hey but here's the thing though y'all so in college think about it I was a perimeter run

like you know I was a sweep guy you know get on the perimeter do my thing man when I first got to San Diego and Marty came in he started talking about running power and going down the A gap

and I used to bounce that thing so much that joke he used to get mad and he used to get stamed Stay in the A gap. Stay trusted. I'm like, coach, ain't none to hell. I got to bounce it.

You know what I'm saying? But I had to learn, man. I had to learn how to be an inside runner. I didn't want to embrace it at first. But I'm glad I did, man. It did make me a better, obviously a better. Hell, y'all running that power. Y'all pulling Gar and tackle and damn little low kneeer.

Hell, you kick it out, pinning down. It did, here come low deal up in the hole on the linebacker. Now you want to want to walk with the safety. Hey, sir. Hey, Zoh, Zoh, gonna clear it out every time. Hey, them old school, them old school fullbacks like Sam Gash, I play with, I play with the gasher. And Lo Neal, they come with bad intention.

Head first. Oh, yeah. Neck roll it all. Hey, low used to say, hey, before the play, you said, hey, daddy, get on my hip and don't dip. Let's go. That's what you did. Hey, let's get a little kneel, man.

Hey, get low kneel like one carry game on third and one. You're good. Yeah. Yeah, you're good. You good. He bought it. Hey, he bought it. He bought in.

LT, man, you look like you don't, you don't lost weight. Damn, you don't trim down. Oh, Ocho, man. I'm on his intermittent fasting, man. No, no. You know, I get my workouts every day, man. I feel good, man. You got to come.

I'm at playing weight. Yeah, LT, you might be on the 200, LT. I'm about 2.10. You need to come holl at your boy. You know, I'm a nutritionist right now. I'm a nutritionist. What that died like, though? You know the same thing I ate when I played?

McDonald. Don't, don't, hey, LT, don't food with you, you know, 11 NFL teams already hired me to help with their nutrition, so the players stop getting hurt. No, none of that soft tissue injury, no, non-contact, no, none of that. None of that's happening. No, you, you charge it too much, Ocho, you know, I'm on a budget now.

No, I charge $20 a week. That ain't nothing. That's still too much. I mess with you. $10 I mess with it. Hey, LT, so when, what time you eat your first meal? About one o'clock. So you get all your meals in between what, one and seven, one and eight?

One, one and eight, yeah, one and eight, man. So you're going about 14 to 16 hours fasting. Yep, yep, I do. So when do you work out? You work out in the morning, so you're working out on the empty stomach. So you're doing fast to cardio. I am, yeah. Okay.

I am, man. So I usually work out about 9 to 10 o'clock in the morning. I get up early, get the kids off to school, you know, and then, you know, see, I will modify with coffee, so I'll have coffee in the morning by 10 ounces. That's it. Damn, but do you know how much 10 ounces is? Ten ounces. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, by 10 ounces. That's a can of Coke. A can of Coke is 12 ounces. You've got two fewer than that. Boy, that coffee went through you and got nothing on your stomach. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I love that coffee, man.

And so then I'll get my work at home. By that time, by that time, you know, it's around 12 o'clock. And once I order food or cook food, it's one o'clock. So, yeah. L.D., you're going to go ahead, Ocho. I'm going to say, you smoke cigars?

Yeah, absolutely. Yes, sir. I got a cigar lounge in my house, Ocho. What? Yes, I got a cigar lounge in my house, Ocho. Hey, boy, you rich. I got to leave home to go to the cigar bar he got one in the house yeah no him and Joe both of them got properties

no my brother goes he go on the back he go on the back porch he's got no lounge in the house you go to the back porch and blow it out and LT people always ask uh me it was me you in time and carissa and uh we had picked somebody and I had picked them to win. And Time told me I didn't do that. And you said, he did, he picked them. I said, Time, I swear for God and two white men, I picked them.

And y'all, oh, my God. But they don't really, oh, LT, the conversations that we had watching the games, me, you, and time, I'm glad because this is what kind of what my mind this is what I envisioned with nightcap to be, was kind of, you know, yeah, we talk about games, but we talk about a lot of other things. Man, Ocho, I was,

that was some of my best work, LT said, man, LT told me I need to be a comedian. Say, I don't know why you play football. You need to be a damn comedian. For real, this man said two white men. Like, why I got to get two white men? Like, they're the stakeholders?

Yeah, that was. Back then, you know, back of the day, you were live before them now, because it was hell to pay them. You're liable for them. But, man, That was some fun times, man. Time and I talked about that, man.

That was some great time. LT, thanks for joining us, man. Congratulations on the frogs going down to Chapel Hill, 4814 over the Tar Hills. Come back and join the later this season, LT. I definitely will, man. It's always a pleasure, my brothers. Love y'all, man.

Appreciate it, bro. Have a good one. No doubt. Yep. I'm Dan. He's Ty. Hello. And we're the solid verbal college football podcast.

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