Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to 49ers beating Aaron Rodgers & Jets, Tyreek body cam footage released

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets taking on Brock Purdy and the San Francisco 49ers on Monday Night Football and the release of the police bodycam footage in the detainment of Miami Dolphins star Tyreek Hill.03:10 - SHOW STARTS06:00 - 49ers beat Jets36:20 - Tyreek Body Cam56:50 - Watson sexual assault(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We really greatly, greatly appreciate that. Appreciate that. Appreciate that. Listen, I'm late. I'm late again. But this time, this time, I had to do number two. I had to do number two. So I'm not sure if that is a good excuse for being a little late.

Hold on. I'm just trying to figure out. Help me out with this. Yes, sir. So right before you had to come on, you're like, you know what? I'm on. You didn't have to do it like 10 minutes ago, 15 minutes ago, even five minutes ago. As soon as I get ready to hit this, they're counting us down.

You're like, hold on. It wasn't me. Listen, as soon as I get ready, they're counting us down. You said it wasn't me. Listen, I understand the importance of the show. I know where we're going. I know where we're headed. We're going to be like the temptations. Now I know sometimes act like Eddie,

but you have to understand when I sat down, I had a little turtle head. Oh Lord. Yeah. So when you have a little turtle head, you, you know, you, you can't, you can't play, you can't play with God's creation. So I had to go, I had to little turtle head. Oh, Lord. Yeah, so when you have a little turtle head, you know, you can't play with God's creation. So I had to go, I had to get that out. So I ain't do it all the way.

I just went halfway. So I still got something left in me, but I'm going to finish the show. Yeah. I mean, the people knew you was probably full of caca. So they're not surprised. They're not surprised you only pinched half of it off. My grandma used to tell me I was full of shit all the time.

Yeah, they're not surprised you pinched half a lo-fi. You ain't getting a whole lo-fi. Ocho, the game that we just watched, the 49ers drug the Jets 32-13. They spoiled Earl Rodgers' return. He was able to play a full night. Even though Kirsten McCaffrey, C-Mac, was ruled out before the game with an Achilles and calf injury, Adam Schefter says there's a real chance McCaffrey doesn't play

next week against the Vikings. Ocho watched this game. The 49ers of all the teams that we saw play, the 49ers for me were the most impressive because I think the Jets' defense is going to be really, really good. Now the offense, hey, I think they'll get it going. Brees Hall, when he formed that ball

early in the game, Ocho, it kind of took some of the steam out of it. But the 49ers, the way they can run the football, the way Purdy was throwing the ball, he had some drops in there too. Yeah. He had some drops in there. IU dropped the touchdown right before the half. Wait, listen, he dropped

two big ones. He did. He dropped two big ones. I did. He dropped two big ones. I think one of the problems, obviously, remember when Jamar Chase, I hate to bring this up, remember Jamar Chase went into the preseason and dropped ball after ball after ball after ball after ball and then had a historic season once it came? I think Ayuk probably has to get acclimated to the ball, game speed, game tempo. This is why I tell you preseason is so important. When you miss those times, you get acclimated to the ball, game speed, game tempo. This is why I tell you preseason is so important.

When you miss those times, you get acclimated to the ball. And listen, obviously, it would have made a difference in the game. But I'm more impressed with the Jets. I'm more impressed with the Jets because watching Aaron Rodgers move the team up and down the field with a few drops, a few penalties that backed them up a little bit. They look promising to me. They look promising to me. I know somebody will say, well, damn, they only score seven points.

Well, damn, they only score 14 points. I'm saying how the offense look as opposed to how they used to. Again, they're going against the top NFC team. They're going against the top NFC team. You take away some of those drops. You take away some of those penalties. It's a different game. Now, the 49ers still might have won.

Oh, the 49ers won this game. Yeah, but what I saw from the Jets tonight was promising. Promising. If you're a Jets fan, you should be happy. I know it's a loss, but you got something to bit off of. I agree with you, Ocho. That's not an easy offense to defend. And I know you're looking at, well, they ain't got no Christian McCaffrey.

The one thing I can tell you about this offense, because I spent the majority of my career in this offense, Ocho, and I can tell you, because I played for Kyle's father, Mike. And they kept highlighting Bobby Turner. He's the running back coach. He's the run game coordinator. And if

you notice, could you tell Christian McCaffrey wasn't in the run game coordinator and if you notice could you tell christian mccaffrey wasn't in the game if you look at you look at denver you look at we had td we had orlandos gary we had mike anderson we had clinton porters we have ruben drones in that zone running scheme you get one cut yeah you started you run hand. You run handoff. We run handoff strong, handoff weak, toss strong, toss weak. You get one cut. If you notice, ain't no dancing. No running back in that system dance. You get one cut, and you come downhill.

Downhill, yeah. And if you notice, it doesn't – look, Christian McCaffrey sets it to another level, but if you look at the guys that were in that offense, TD, six-round draft pick. Orlando's Gary, six-round draft pick. Mike Anderson, third-round draft pick. Reuben Drones, a mid-round draft pick.

Clinton Portis was a second-round draft pick. So you don't need to have – all you got to do is follow instructions. They're going to start it one way, and they go, Hey, hit your head on the goal post, son. And the wide receivers do a great job. IU blocking downfield. Debo blocking downfield. Jennings blocking downfield. Hell, Kittle is a second

offensive lineman. He's blocking. Think about it. They got a big run. They call it back. They withhold it. Get another touchdown run. They call it back and withhold it. They go right back down the field in that same drive. Run it right back down your throat. Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean,

it don't look like a just defense that we saw last year, but I'm sure they will get it together. I don't know what happened to Sauce. I think Sauce subluxed his shoulder on one of those feats with Debo. I know that look. I know that look when you hold your head.

I think he hit, yeah, I think it was Debo that he got his shoulder. You got to be careful. Get that shoulder. And the thing is, like, when you play the 49ers, you got to out physical them. Because that's one thing that Kyle Shanahan, he got from his dad.

We going to come out there and we going to put hats on you. We going to be physical. Now, if you beat us, you are more physical. You got to earn it. The thing is, a lot of times when people looked at the West Coast, they automatically assumed because the lineman was undersized for their team.

That was your first mistake. You better, hey, we dropping D's in the dirt. We coming. Yeah, but you know what else could happen? Now, if you watch the game, chat, if y'all listening, if you watch the game tonight, you can see when they did

play action, they ran the ball so well. When they did play action ball, not only were they wide open, but Brock Purdy was sitting back there with a cigar. Yes. He done went through his read twice. Yes. How do you go from one to three and come back to one to see if one is open?

So what I think the Jets need to do also to continue to complement that defense so you can come back to one to see if one is open. You haven't had that much time. So what I think the Jets need to do also to continue to complement that defense so you can get back to the top three defense that you were last year, we need to get brother Hassan Redick in the goddamn door. I would think we need to get brother Hassan, whatever you need to do.

You need all hands on deck. If you're serious about turning the franchise around, allowing it to be a winning culture, and actually competing in the goddamn AFC East, You need all hands on deck if you're serious about turning the franchise around. Yeah. Allowing it to be a winning culture and actually competing in the goddamn AFC East with the Bills and the goddamn Dolphins. The problem that they made, Ocho, you know the guy's disgruntled. Yeah. He wanted contract.

Yeah. It wasn't a change of scenery. He wanted money. So you thought that, oh, he don't like being in Philly. We're going to bring him to New York, but we're not going to give him no money. Listen, you know what they probably did? You know how this business works. They probably promised him a contract.

Before they even discussed, before he even came, understanding that, listen, I want to be paid by the Eagles based on my production the past few years. The Eagles said, you know what? We're not going to do that. We're going to let you go somewhere else. So I'm sure the Jets knew. Brother Woody Johnson. I got that name right? Woody Johnson, right?

Yes, sir. I'm sure Mr. Johnson understood that Sam Reddick was agreeing to come there. But he was on the assumption he was going to get a contract. Yeah. Woody knew that. You understood that. This is the games they that. This is the games they play. This is the business that they play.

You understand how good Hassan Redick is and what he can do for that defense and amplifying it even more than it was last year. He should have been in. Now looking at the defense tonight and Brock Purdy back there sitting by there listening to Frank Sinatra patting his goddamn ball.

Just make it happen. Just effing off with the football. He ain't just like hey. And I thought he made one mistake. He almost got it picked. All he had to do was take the full bat. All he had to do was take 24 in the flat. When he threw the seam route and Adam I think it's Adam's got his hands on the ball.

The running back wide open in the flat. All they had to do was take the flat and they're going to get a first down and they're going to keep the chains moving. Keep moving. Yeah, but that's the flat all they had to do is take the flat and they're gonna get a first down and they're gonna keep the chains moving moving uh yeah but that's the thing you got to um look you see what the 49 you you can tell team serious about winning i will say this jerry got the deal done you see what he did with that oh yeah see what he did with cd you see what the 49ers did they got big trent trist i ain't coming i used to say hey listen you know what hey we got a Super Bowl to win and we're not winning the Super Bowl without those guys yeah

yeah you gotta be if you can't listen if you can't pressure the quarterback Ocho you can't win in this league at all the quarterbacks are too good the quarterbacks are too good if you don't if you don't put him under duress I don't care if it's one I don't care if it's one, I don't care if it's

32. If you don't put that quarterback under the rest, 32 will look like number one. Yeah. Most definitely. You got to make it uncomfortable the best way you can. And one way just to do that, and to pick up what they left off from a defensive standpoint, you got to bring Hassan Redick in.

Or what they do, whatever they do have in the building right now, got to come up. They got to come up. They got to show up. They got to show the sound right again or what they do whatever they do have in the building right now got to come up they gotta they gotta come up they gotta show up they gotta show up shit and because you look at the call you got reed you got uh um sauce so you got guys and sometimes you just need just that it's just just like okay they held this thing up now you got to get there 1001 hey guys all I need is 1,003. 1,003, we on his ass. And you know what? That's another problem. Not only that, as good

as Sauce Garden is, as good as DJ Reed is, how good are you if you got to cover somebody for goddamn eight seconds? Oh, you ain't covering nobody, but I don't care who it is. I don't care who it is. No, you ain't covering nobody. You're listening to guys. And that's the thing, Ocho. That guy back back there pretty back there doing this man chilling man I'm listening I saw a few times um he dropped back looked at his first

target his primary target he went one when the two when the three and came all the way back it was still patting the ball. Yes. Yes. Man, Woody Johnson should be on the phone right now to sign Reddit. His agent. I don't know who his agent is. Let's get something done. They need to. They got to get something done. But the 49ers look really, really good

tonight. They ran the football. Mason. Nobody had ever heard of this kid. Yeah. Just like nobody had ever heard of Terrell Davis. Nobody had ever heard of this kid yeah just like nobody had ever heard of terrell davis nobody had ever heard of orlandos gary or mike anderson those guys ruben drones as a matter of fact ruben jones got cut in detroit as a matter if i'm not mistaken they might have cut it they might i think he said they cut him on 9 11 i think that's what i think that's what he said. Damn. But this kid ran the ball exceptionally well.

And you see the dimension that Debo brings. You can hand it to him in the backfield. You can pitch it to him. You can swing it to him. He can get downfield. You see him catch a pass, spin up out of the tackle, get an additional. The one thing that you must be able to do in this offense, you're right. You got

to run after the catch, Ocho, because a lot of stuff is shallow. You're catching a lot of bubble screens. You're catching a lot of shallow crosses. I mean, they'll push the ball down the field occasionally, but you've got to be able to run after the catch. That's what makes it so unique. That's what makes this offense so good.

You take a five-yard route and you turn into a 25 or 50-yard spectacular. I got a question. Yes. How big is Deebo Samuels? You seen him in person before? I have. How the hell he be playing running back like that? He built like a running back.

What? He built like a running back. From waist down? You know, like running backs normally, they're like a running back. What? He built like a running back. From waist down? You know, like running backs normally, they're like from waist down. Right. Like Malik Nabors. If you look at Malik Nabors, he's not elongated. He's not long and lanky like a lot of receivers are.

You look at Garrett Wilson. You look at a lobby. You look at a lot of these receivers. They're six foot. He's compact. And if you look at his frame, it explains why he runs out of a lot of tackles.

Why he's so physical. And how you think he got the name Debo? Okay, okay, okay. I'm looking like, man, he really he really, I'm talking about out the backfield stretch, dive. What? Can you imagine Debo playing during our era? With lewis and erlach

and all them talk about come talk about coming downhill through the egg out break man all right and i'm i'm i was a mate i'm like damn and then he's strong the the first the first person to tackle him or at the point of contact he never falls you know oh you got you got to bring you got to bring your legs with you to get him down and normally it's going to take more than a single individual unless you know you're talking about a d tackle or you talk about a linebacker but safety is in corners you got your handful trying to bring debo down man that's that's crazy and he runs with such physicality you know he runs angry he runs like to he runs like julio my brother used to play like that and kwan bolden played like that

physical guys now to and julio were tall my brother's like six foot tall uh uh uh q was like six foot tall but they were built like running backs. Yeah. And so they tried to run through you. And they were physical, and they played the game physical. Ocho, Brock, Purdy, pass distribution. Jennings had five catches. Debo, five catches. Kittle, five catches. Ushak, two catches.

IU, two catches. He had two drops also. Mason, one catch. Mistake-free performance. I mean, think about it. He had like three or four drops, Ocho. So this could have been a 22 or 23 or 29 for pretty close to like 270. Easily.

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And you and I were talking about this earlier about you. I just, I don't, like guys like, man, I don't need no training. I need a training camp and I wanted to play in the preseason. I did. Now everybody, I mean, hey, the guys now, I get it now, guys, you know, they do OTAs and they do all the stuff and they catch, but I needed to be in the game and I need to get my eyes to refocus

on playing through contact, playing under, picking up the ball because I'm trying to pick up the ball out of the quarterback's hand, try to make sure I snap my head around, because I don't want to get lazy with my head. I don't want to get lazy with my eyes. I don't want to get lazy with my hands. People think you catch with your

hands, you catch with your eyes, and you don't want to get lazy with them. And a lot of times it takes you a while to get back into the rhythm of things, Locho, and get my spidey senses. I need my spidey senses to tingle like, okay, this is the coverage. Okay, this is where danger is. To know that, to feel that,

to be able to sense that. I needed it. Now, clearly these guys say, well, I don't need it or they don't want it or maybe the owners don't want to run the risk of getting players hurt. But hell, you're playing an inherently dangerous game. Oh, man, I don't want to have no accident.

But you drive every day 30 miles. I mean, how? Unless you teleport yourself there, there's a chance you're going to have an accident. And it might not even be your fault. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, listen, you can't even play the game of football with that type of mentality. You just can't.

Because what's for you is for you, and what's going to happen to you is going to happen to you no matter what you do. No matter how cautious you are, I mean, just go out there and play. Just go out there and play. That's it. damn balls. I'm telling you, like you said, them spidey senses getting acclimated, not only to game tempo, but having someone pulling and tugging on you and being able to track the ball through arms, through just all type of stuff.

The lights, just all that comes into account, and that's what the preseason does for you. If you look at Ocho, when the ball, what'd he do? When the ball hit his hand, he closed his eyes. I've never seen that before. Normally, guys, normally you track the ball, Ocho, when the ball, what'd he do? When the ball hit his hand, he closed his eyes. I've never seen that before. Normally, guys, normally you track the ball, Ocho. I'm tracking, I'm tracking.

I look it in. If I lay out for the ball, I look it in. He closed his eyes. I'm like, well, damn, that's new. But Purdy threw that ball perfect. I mean, he couldn't throw it.

He basically walked it to him. You can't throw a better ball than what Purdy put the ball in Iyuk's hand. And Iyuk, he dropped it. I'm sure he'd love to have that one back. Jeff Holdout, Hassan Reddick will forfeit a game check of nearly $800,000 for missing tonight's regular season open against the 49ers. And an additional $800,000 for each of the games he subsequently

misses. This is on top of the $5 million NFL mandated fine that he's already accumulated. So he ain't got no choice but to stay out. Because if he comes back, he's already accumulated a $5 million fine that the jets can't

forgive you remember oh joe in the old days they can see like okay i'm gonna forgive those fines come on in we'll get the contract done only if you're a rookie can they forget on a rookie contract can they forgive those fines so damn now he like bro i might as well go ahead and sit this one down because well so hold on how do you rectify this situation now? So, really, that $5 million already gone. You might as well just chalk that up. Chalk that up. So, if I'm looking at it correctly,

so he's making $800,000. So, let's just say $800,000 a game. Times 10, that's $8 million. Right. So, plus we factor in another seven games and $800,000, that's $56 million. Right. So, he's making up making up so he's on about

15.6 million. If we do it 800,000. So now take this out Ocho. I've got to come in at half the season and play for free or I don't get credited for the credited season. Season. So I got to play half the game. So I need

to stay. but if he comes in, Ocho, he playing for free. Yeah. By the time he get to game eight, that's $640,000. Right. No, hell no, that's $6.4 million. Hey, listen, I mean

he... So that's $11.4 million. So he damn near playing for free. Some got to give some got to give can they cut him and allow somebody else to pick him up hell nah they can't sure you could

but you gave him a draft pick to get him well if you gave him a draft pick to get him see this is the part but again owners don't want to set a precedent draft pick to get it. Well, if you gave him a draft pick to get him, I mean, you know what? See? This, this, this, this, this, this the part. But again, owners don't want to set a precedent. You think you're going to bully us in the pan, you? Nah, you sit there.

We're going to lie in our pockets either way. We're going to be good either way. Boom. But then, you know, sometimes you got to stand on business even if i don't even if i don't open the stadium right even if i don't sell no not one fan show up yeah the end of the uh the tv deal is gonna pay me 300 million off rip now okay i the games i put put 75, 80,000. Concession. I got parking. I got merchandise.

I got local TV. And I got advertisers and sponsors. It's a dirty game, boy. It's a dirty game. So if I get 300 million, Ocho, if I get 300 million and the salary cap is what? $275,000, $255,000. That's $45 million, I'm clear. get 300 million on show if i get 300 million right and the salary cap is what 275 255 that's 45

million i'm clear that's if i don't sell no merchandise that's if i don't do it nobody comes to my game that's if i don't get local broadcasting that's if i don't get any local sponsors you know somebody that stadium named after somebody mercedes-benenz or FedEx or whatever the case may be. Somebody paying somewhere between $10 and $25 million a year to put their name on your stadium. And you got the local affiliate that's paying money. And here's the kickoff

show what people don't realize. Let me hit y'all with some game. Do y'all realize that every time a network, every time ESPN shows a clip, they had to pay for that. On top of the $2.5, $2.7 billion that they already paid, anytime they show a clip of anything NFL,

the NBA is the same thing. MLB is the same way. Do you know they got to pay for that? And it ain't cheap. Nah. Listen to what I'm saying. Fox pays about $1.9 billion. ESPN pays about $2.2 billion.

CBS, the same thing. So now I've already paid that. When they show highlights, like when I come on with Stephen A and we show a highlight and somebody scored a touchdown or somebody getting a pick six, the network has to pay extra just to show those highlights. That's why we can't show you no highlights. We'd love to, but

Ocho and I be working for free. Dirty game, man. So the NFL, if you notice, NFL don't write a whole lot of checks. The NFL, like the IRS, they have money coming in. They don't really have a whole lot going out always collected so yeah uh and i look i don't got a a lot of what i mean i put my kids

through college i took care of my family because the nfl and i'm not trying to look i'm not trying to damper on i'm just trying to enlighten you enlighten the fans and let them know how this thing works. Yeah. I mean, we would love to show, we would, Ocho and I would love to show you highlights so we can break it down and say this is what happened. But,

I think it's how much, how much is it for like 11 minutes? Like, it's in the, like, it's like, I think like, probably like, for one minute.

One minute is six figures. One minute. So if we showed you three highlights and they ran a minute, it's already into six figures. That's week one. How many highlights does ESPN show? How many highlights does your local affiliate show? Woo! Yeah.

Yeah. So, I'm sorry, guys. You're going to have to take ocho and i talking about it because we ain't gonna show you the highlight we're never gonna be in no position where we could show you highlight because we ain't got it like that whoa whoa don't don't say that now you never know but they watch the game locho that's that's useless money we're not finna spend 20 million dollars to show some highlights. We're not. I'm sure we'd rather have that money in our pockets. Hey, okay. I like you to hear that.

I'm just, for some unforeseen reason, let's say I hit the goddamn lotto. Yeah. Or the Mega Millions. And I get some absurd amount of cash. I wouldn't even let you do it. I mean, I think the people would like it, though. Nah, Ocho. The people like us for who we are, how we do things.

We're not a highlight show. I mean, sure, we would love to, but it really doesn't make sense for us. And if it doesn't make dollars, it doesn't make sense. And so, let's be... We gonna be... You told me we need to think big, right. So let's be legal. We're going to be.

You told me we need to think big, right? So I'm thinking big. We could actually challenge ESPN and be their competitor. Huh? Not coming on. Not coming on two nights. Not coming on four nights a week, two hours a day. We challenge, you know. Hell no. Not coming on four nights a week, two hours a night. We ain't challenging no ear.

Hell no. Nah. Nah. Hey, now, you know, hey. Hell no. You win the, hey, first of all, you win the lottery, subbing garlic by the money. I ain't no tell it.

I ain't no tell it. I mean, hell, guys, we get it when we get it. Yeah. Hey, man, we're on show hell if I know hell I might be with you let me with a billion dollars hell I might be late too man please

yeah man Ocho check this out according to next gen stats Trent Williams did not allow single pressure tonight in 33 pass blocking attempts hold on 33 pass blocking attempts. Hold on. Hold on.

Let me wipe my tears. Man, please. They can't let you with no money. You know how they do in church? Hell yeah. Hell nah. Okay. Okay.

Okay, let me lock back in. Let me lock back in. Yeah. I'm locked in. Let's go. Good luck with that. You win the lottery, lock it in. And don't tell me where you in real going to be, man.

Please. Who you fooling? I promise you. If I win a lottery, I'm gonna be on time. Justin Marv, you say $100,000 for a minute, I say six figures. I ain't just say $100,000. I don't know why you put that figure there.

Oh, shit. That was funny. But this is why when he held out and said I'm not coming this is why you pay Big Trent they understood he's the best lineman in football

and you can always rip Rodney you can always slide the protection away and say Trent you got the best that's a great luxury to have I played with two guys I played with always slide the protection away and say, Trent, you got the best. That's a great luxury to have. I played with two guys. I played with Gary Zimmerman, left tackle. He was a two-time all-decade. 80s and 90s. I played with Jonathan Ogden. Six foot eight and a half,

345 pounds. We always slid away from J.O. J.O., you got whoever you got. It's a great luxury to have. You don't have to ask nobody to chip. You ain't got to ask nobody to chip your way out. You ain't got to leave the tight end in. Trent, lock it down. Every time.

He going to lock it down. He's an unbeliever. He's going to the Hall of Fame. He's going to be a first ballot. He's that good. And if I'm not mistaken, hell, he and Big Lane Johnson was on the same team in Oklahoma. Lane Johnson, Philadelphia Lane Johnson? Yes.

And hold on, wasn't AP was on that team too? I think it was him, AP, Sam Bradford might have been a freshman. The quarterback? No wonder AP was running like that, man. I think AP was on with Big Trent and Trent was top three,

top four, and Lane was right behind him. Trent Lane came out in the same draft, didn't he? I'm almost certain here Lane came out in the same draft. God damn. Yes. As you look at that up, but I'm almost certain, Ocho, that Lane and Trent came out in the same draft.

And AP, I think AP might have left a year before they did. Hell, he might have been there with them. Lane. 2013. late 2013 so who came up it was like they had two like who came out with uh what other uh oh Sam Bradford came out Sam Bradford was the first overall pick T-Dub

was the third overall pick that's what it was fourth overall pick and AP was on that team. Wasn't AP with Trent? Yes. Yes, AP. Not Lane. Lane was after Big Trent. But AP, Sam Bradford, and Trent was on the same team. Dang.

But them boys were good, bro. Yeah. I mean, think about it. Just like, who was it? Matthew Stafford, AJ Green, and NoSean Marino was on the same team. And then went to SEC. Wait. Wait, who was A.J. Green, quarterback of Georgia?

Matthew Stafford. It is? Mm-hmm. I ain't know that no Sean Marino he was nice he was nice we have the body cam footage from Tyreek's detainment

was released earlier let's watch it in its entirety we're going to look at the Tyreek video we're going to have Calais Campbell talking and then you and I will address it after that. We're going to watch the video in its entirety so you can see how it unfolded, and then we'll give our synopsis of what we think happened.

I'm not going to tell you to leave. I'm going to give you one more time. If you don't leave, I'm going to take you to jail. Get in your car and leave. Avoid this. Get in your car and leave. I'm giving you an order to get out of here. Hey, hey, right here. I told you. Nope, too late. Nope, too late. I told you. I've been listening. I've been listening. Nope, too late. You didn't want to listen. I've been listening.

I've been listening. Nope, too late. I told you. I told you multiple times. I got you. I got you. Move the car, sir, please. Please move the car.

The car has to hang out for a minute now. He's on the right. He's on the right. He's on the right. He's on the right. He's on the right. He's on the right. He's on the right.

He's on the right. He's on the right. He's on the right. He's on the right. He's on the right. Hey, what's the reference? Huh? What's the reference? Huh?

What's the reference? Yeah, careless? Because he was speeding too fast? Hold the car. Why don't you have your seatbelt on? Why don't you have your seatbelt on? I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you.

I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you.

I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you. Why don't you have your seatbelt on? Why don't you have your seatbelt on? Like what? Why don't you have it on? It's current. Keep the it down. Hey.

Keep your window down. Hey. Keep your window down. Keep your window down, I'm going to get you out of the car. As a matter of fact, get out of the car. Give me your ass. Get out of the car. Give me your ass. Break that freaking window. Get out of the car. Get out of the car. As a matter of fact, get out of the car. Give me your ass. Get out of the car. Give me your ass or we'll break that freaking window.

Get out of the car. Get out of the car right now. We're not playing this game. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. I'm getting out.

Get out. Get out. What part of God don't you understand? Hey, Drew. Hey, Drew. I'm getting arrested, Drew. I'm getting arrested. I'm getting arrested, Drew.

I'm getting out, bro. Goddamn. Hey Drew, I'm getting arrested, Drew. I'm getting arrested. I'm getting arrested, Drew. I'm getting out, bro. God damn, twin. When we tell you to do something, you do it. You understand? I'm getting out, bro. You understand?

Not what you want, but what we tell you. I'm getting out. You're a little fucking confused. I'm getting out, bro. Too late. Too late. All right, bro. Take me to jail, bro.

Do what you got to do, bro. We are. We will. Good, good, bro. It is good. Hey, Drew, hey. Don't worry about it. I'll hang up the phone. And you stop crying.

Bruh, y'all... Don't move. Good. Bruh, you beating on my window like you crazy. Just set him up. What y'all beating on my window like y'all crazy for? Damn, yo, yo, bro. Bro, bro, bro, yo, bro. dude, beating on my window like he crazy.

I ain't do nothing, twin. Damn. Hey, don't park there. Don't park there. Hey. Hold on, twin, hold on. Hold on, bro. I just had surgery on my knee.

I just had surgery on my knee, bro. I just had surgery on my knee. I just had surgery on my knee, bro. I just had surgery on my knee, bro. I just had surgery on your ears when we were there. Bro, chill, bro. Chill, bro. Hey, don't move, bro. Hey, call Drew. Call Drew. Call Drew. Call Drew. Call Drew. Hey, call Drew.

Call Drew, bro. Call Drew. Call Drew. Hey, call Drew, bro. Hey, what? Hey. Call Drew, bro. Call Drew. Call Drew. Hey, call Drew, bro. Hey, what? Hey, call Drew, bro. Just call Drew. Hey. I'm not doing anything.

I'm not doing nothing. I'm not doing nothing. What am I doing that's wrong? Hey, listen, listen. Listen. Hey, hey, listen. Hey, man, they got Tyreek. The cops over there beating on him, man.

They over there beating on Tyreek, man. Listen, big man. Don't park there, man. Just get in the car. Hey, Drew, you't park there, man. Just get in the car. Hey, Drew, you got to come, man. Just get in the car. Straight up the side, on the side of the aisle. Hey, get in the car.

You're parked at the middle of the street. I'm in the car. You got to go before you get a ticket. Hey, you're in the car. Who's the driver? This is my car. All right, move. You got to move right now.

Let me have your license. You're going to have a ticket, too. I'm coming. Let me have your license. You're going to have a ticket. Let me have your license. I'm leaving got to move right now. Let me have your license. You're going to have a ticket, too. I'm coming. Let me have your license. You're going to have a ticket. Let me have your license. I'm leaving. I'm not playing.

Let me have your license. I'm leaving. Yo, what's going on? Your license right now. Yo, what's going on? Your license right now. You're not going to give me your license? Hey.

You're not going to give me your license? I'm leaving. Let me have your license. Your license right now. Sir. Hey, your license right now. I'm leaving. I'm leaving.

Your license right now. He just told me to leave. Your license right now. You're dealing with me now. Sir. Your license right now. I'm leaving. Your license right now. He just told me to leave. Your license right now. You're dealing with me now. Sir. Your license right now. Damn, man. That was the entire body cam footage of the arrest.

You hear him say they knew who it was. It was Tyreek Hill. He later said that he was speeding and and it kind of escalated. It escalated from there. It appears to me, Ocho, and I could be wrong. You tell me what you're thinking is that they asked for it. They asked him to roll the windows down. He rolled the window down just enough, I guess, to give him his driver's license and registration. That's all he's required to do. He doesn't have to roll it all the way down. Just so the officer

can have visual contact with him. He gave him his driver's license and his registration and he rolls the windows back up. Back up, yeah. It's tough because

he knows who he is, Ocho, because let's, he knows who that is. He knows that's Tyreek. We hear him say, they know that's Tyreek Hill. Yeah. The officer is like, wants to remain. I want to have visual contact with you, Ocho. Okay. We talking, I got visual contact. You got your window down enough where I can see you. Now, it looks like, I could be wrong, but it looks like he has tenant windows.

Yeah, they tenant. Yeah, in Miami, you know, we allowed the tent. And so it looks like, I guess, the officer is taken into account because you have to understand, the officer is taken into account. He rolls the window back up. Now, I no longer have visual contact with him.

You see. So, okay. officer is taking into account he rose the window back up now i no longer have visual contact with you see so okay take it from there and then i'm gonna piggyback uh off of you go ahead i mean when when it first started obviously license registration roll your window down tarik upset about them knocking on the window right Right. Obviously, aggressively and in an aggressive manner. But when a cop initially walked over, if I'm not mistaken, I saw Tyreek hand him the driver's license. So at that point, Tyreek rolled the window back up. Now, as an officer, I understand that it is Tyreek Hill. But I don't think any, I don't think a civilian, if civilians don't get any grace, then I don't think they're going to give Tyreek any grace to allow him to roll his window back up to where he can't have any visual contact with visual contact. Even though Tyreek is in a threat in this manner.

Yeah. I'm assuming have to always stick the protocol regards to who the person is. Right. But I would I would I would have liked my dog. Understand you got a game. You know how authority is already. You know how cops are in general. With all the situations that have gone on, countless years, back to back to back to back to back, just this one time.

You know, I got a game to play, bro. Here's my license. Here's my registration. Get your ticket and go on about your business. Get your ticket and go on about your business. Get your ticket and go on about your business. Let's lock in on the game. You feel me? But cooler heads didn't prevail.

Then, you know, your teammates getting into it, you know, obviously, rightfully so. But shit, hell, if I was a teammate, I would, you know, I'd pull my black ass over to you. What's the problem? I've been in that situation where, like I said, we got into a brawl and my teammates, and they're telling us to back up

because at that point in time, police got to make instant, they got to make split seconds. Yeah, they got to do something. They're like, oh, see, you have the luxury of sitting back here watching it, but imagine how his antenna goes up when he's there. And we assume, like I said,

he doesn't have that luxury. Once I lose contact with you, Ocho, I don't know if you go into the glove box. I don't know if you go into the middle box. I don't know anything. I want to maintain visual contact with you. That's why I said, you heard what I said last night

and you heard me say it many, many years ago. Right. My job, once I get pulled over and the police have made contact with me, my job is to get him to my car, back to his police car or his motorcycle, and on his way as quickly as I possibly can. I know the longer he remains there, the greater the chances for something to escalate. Yeah.

So that's what I'm saying. It's like, look, and think about this. And I want people in the chat, I want you to's what I'm saying. It's like, look, and think about this, and I want people in the chat, I want you to understand what I'm talking about. Think about how people hate on you and they don't have any power. Do you realize when that man or that female pull you

over the side of the road, they got all the power? With the gun, with the badge. I'm not arguing with you. I can't, you're the lawyer, you i can't i you're you're you're the lawyer you the judge you everything i'm gonna take my chances in court but i'm gonna take my chances in court as a live person i don't want my family trying to try to defend what transpired now i need to be there to tell the story not you tell it now i knew what was going to happen i knew happen. I knew this day we were going to say, we asked him to roll down the window, and he was defiant in rolling down his window in a timely manner.

I knew that was coming, though, Joe. Yeah. I knew that was coming. You know that. I know that. That's why I'm feeding, hey, it's happened. I rolled down my window. When he comes, I got it waiting on him.

Yeah. Hey, you ain't got to ask comes, I got to wait on him. Yeah. Hey, you ain't got to ask me because it's right over my visor. I got my driver's license in my bag. I got the insurance right there. There it is right there. It even had to go to that, though. You talk about abuse of power, you know, even as officers of the law, understanding who the individual is,

understanding that the individual is no threat. There's a game. He was speaking. I don't think he was late. He couldn't have been late. No, he wasn't late because, because we had Calais on the day, Ocho. We had Calais on the day.

He said it was around, they had to be there by 11 because the game was at 105. Yeah, two hours before. Two hours before the game. He said it was around 10, 18, 10, 20, something like that. So he had a good two and a half, two hours and 32, 45,

and the stadium is a block away. Mm-hmm. That's unfortunate, man. A little aggressive, though, for me. Oh, for sure. Hey, listen, a little too aggressive. I wish there was a cop there that could have de-escalated the situation a little bit better, you know, to allow cooler hair to prevail.

Just a little too aggressive and abusive of the power that they did have. To put behind the back, to put the knee in the back and like, come on, come on, come on now. Come on, man. You know, but it's unfortunate. Oh, Cho. It's unfortunate. That's how it is. Think about it.

If there's a pack of dog and one of them bite, all of a sudden the other will join in. When you were in school, the bully, once they started picking on somebody, then everybody started picking on them. The officers are just the same. One gets aggressive, the other feels

emboldened, and he gets a little bit more aggressive. Instead of trying to de-escalate the situation, say, hey, we understand your frustrating we got a game just let us do our job and we'll get you on your way we'll issue you a citation hey hey the date's gonna be on there you can fight it in court move on that's what you would have liked to happen but it seems like once like well hell look I can't let you get all this aggression out on him. Let me get some. I said get on the ground. You heard what I said?

Yeah. I mean, man, we've seen this so many times. And the outcome and most of the other situations were much different. They were much different. So I'm glad... I still don't understand why he put a knee on his back.

I don't understand. I don't understand. He wasn't struggling. I mean, people don't understand. Lay on your stomach and put your hand behind the back and see how you feel because that's an unnatural position because your diaphragm needs to go up and down.

That's why it's hard for you to breathe when you own your stuff. Now, think about it. Now, you sleep like this here, but just imagine putting your hands behind your back, and now you're compressing the diaphragm. Tyree wasn't struggling. He didn't give them any reason, once they got him out the car, to take the stance in which they took. Yeah.

But it was like a situation, Ocho. Man, you done made me open this. Man, you done made me open this. Man, you done made me open this. Don't get your ass out of this car. Yo, Al, you know how it is. You're right. They was frustrated. They was frustrated.

They was frustrated. You know? Yeah. Like I said, I mean... When he rolled the window back up? Yeah. Oh, he was on with it. He's like, oh, no.

It was open in. You rolled the window up in my face? You rolled rode wind up in my face you rode wind up in my face I got something for you he had his license already there was nothing else to really talk about except go to your motorcycle and run you already knew

who it was you heard him say that Tyreek Hill you heard him in the video say that I just wish Tyreek Hill yeah you heard him in the video say that yeah I just wish Tyreek let this be a lesson learned let this anybody that's watching let this be a lesson learned yeah I understand nobody likes being stopped especially

when you're in a hurry or you don't feel you're doing anything wrong but take it to court I got I've gotten stopped I wouldn't I didn't believe I was being I said you know I said't believe I was speeding I said I said to myself I see you in court

I said I wasn't Mr. Sharp I said I wasn't speeding I said he didn't tell me how fast I was going he just said I was traveling faster than him well how fast was he going just cause I'm going faster than you that don't mean I'm speed that's a good one that's what he told me Ocho him. Well, how fast was he going? Just because I'm going faster than you, that don't mean I'm speed.

That's a good one. That's what he told me, Ocho. I said, okay, I'm going to court. I spent all my time side to roll with you, all that talking and going back and forth. I'm going to keep my mouth closed. I'm going to tell my side of the story. Nobody's going to tell Shannon Sharp

what they think happened or what they surmised happened. I am going to tell my story. I'm going home to my kids. Yeah. I'm going home. So let this, hey, remember what you want to happen. When the police come and they pull you up for speeding or any moving violation,

your job is to get them to your car back to their car as quick as possible yeah with as little talking as possible because i don't want anything i don't want you to think that i'm trying to be because if you ask me how fast i was going i said no i do not i wasn't watching he gonna think i got smart with him now he's all oh you want to get smart you're up with you know what yeah you think because you're on tv you think because you got millions you you better than me and you could talk to me so no i don't know how fast i was going okay i'm sorry i didn't know i was going that fast officer all right sit right here you sure will lead a window down too i sure do and in a court of public opinion you know people are going to choose their

sides yeah i think it's right who they think is wrong i just on my end you know i am i don't play with the law yeah i don't want i don't want no part of you i don't i don't want no part of that at all i want to get home to my kids bro that's it please I want to get home to my kids, bro. That's it. Always. I'm going to get home to my kids. I can't afford no more mistakes, though. I had a situation that was the 4th of July.

But you ain't hear me, though. Oh, no, you're right. Let me take my glasses off real quick so the chat can see my eyes, bro. I can't afford no more mistakes. I don't get no more chances after this. Shit, get not you can't get knocked down and get up again not not at the age we are ocho in our 20s we got you know we got the rest of our 20s we got into our 30s but at this juncture where we are now ocho i was uh at the it was a fourth it was this was a while ago this had to be almost 20 years ago yes me bucket and my homeboy big cow so met this met the uh this chick and uh and i hit

her up because we were out and she said well i'm at such and such won't you come by i was like well i tell you what i'm gonna do i'm gonna come by not going to come in, but I'll call you once I get outside. Okay. She came and a girlfriend came. You know, they're nice, nice looking. You know, nice looking. You know, you know what I'm saying? They're nice.

I mean, thick. I'm talking about thick like Urkel glasses. I'm talking about thick like that. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Hold on. Like red felt glasses.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like snake eye. Yeah. They think like, eye yeah they was thinking like and so she came outside and we was talking you know she had a little skirt on blah blah blah

and he's like you don't need to move I was like okay so we moved further down one of the guys said okay I moved further down uh nah you can't stand it one of the guys one of the guys said and i was like okay i moved further down uh no you can't stand it one of the guys one of the police officers said no that's shannon sharp he cool let him stay there no i

told him to move uh-oh i said hey maybe i'll holler at you later okay all right boom i left you see he already on one right right right He mad because I got something that he want. She talking to me. She wouldn't give him the time today. I know that. He know that. So he feeling one. Bro, I ain't bothering nobody.

Right. Once he said, hey, once he said, I said move, that told me right there that he had rank. I'm up out of there. I'm good. He going to abuse that little power. I'm good, bro there I'm good he gonna abuse that little power I'm good bro I'm good saw later that night though you can't stop me

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A lawsuit filed Monday in Houston, Texas, alleges Deshaun Watson committed sexual assault and battery while on a date October 2020. The new civil suit claims Watson exposed himself,

requested a massage, and sexually assaulted the victim before she was able to resist and get him to leave her apartment. Apartment, excuse me. We all know that in august of 22 the nfl suspended watson for 11 games fined him five million dollars for violating the nfl personal conduct policy after more than 20 women alleged that watson committed sexual misconduct during massage therapy sessions watson reached in a confidential settlement with 23 of the 24 women in 2022. He previously denied any wrongdoing and maintained that any sex with the women was consensual.

Watson was required by the NFL to commit to mandatory evaluation and treatment as a part of his reinstatement. Ocho, what is your take on these new allegations? Yeah, man. That's tough. For me? I don't want to say the wrong one. I don't want to say the wrong thing. I don't want to say the wrong one. I don't want to say the wrong thing. I don't want to say the wrong thing.

Obviously, you know, it's tough. There's certain things I should stay away from that you're better suited to answer. You know, so I'm going to let you take that one. Look, I think if I if not mistaken, Ocho, all of this happened in a finite period of time. There was a period of time in which he was in Houston. And from what a lot of the women alleged, they were, you know, he would reach out through IG

or whatever the case may be. He would request a massage and things happen. And I guess some happen against their will. Yes, sir. That's what they're alleging. And I think not could be wrong, but this is around this time that all of these happen. So I would ask when I read it today,

I was like, okay, 2020 that's. So I don't think this is anything new. This was around that time when all the women, not this was 22, 23. I was like,

damn Deshaun, bro, you was in a situation back in 2020. And you put yourself back in this situation. It's kind of like what that lady, remember they did the documentary on OJ? And the lady said, we got you off the first time.

You went back and did it again. You on your own, Jack. And hit it with the peace out. So I was like, Deshaun, you put yourself back in this situation but i think it was it was it was probably during that time and this one is kind of like a drip drip leak leak coming out uh right okay dang very very it's very very it's it's just tough man it's just tough because you know you's just tough because, you know, you have daughters.

I have daughters. I don't know if you have any sisters. I have sisters. Yeah. And we take this stuff, and that's why, you know, I didn't want, I remember when I was at Fox and this first came out, and I didn't want to be, I didn't want to jump to no conclusion one way

or another because you're going to offend someone if you don't believe them you don't believe the women but then you jump to the conclusion and you automatically offend guys that have been wrongly accused and I've been one of those guys that have been wrongly

accused and so I know what it's like to have those eyes looking at you but that's why I was reluctant really accused and so i know what it's like to have that those eyes looking at you right um but that's that's why that's why i was reluctant really really really to comment really to say because i don't know who i might offend i don't want to say the wrong thing that you're better suited you're a little bit more polished when it comes to things that are very uncomfortable for me to explain and be able to express, whether right or wrong or indifferent.

There's certain things I don't want to touch. Those type of topics when it comes to race, religion, and politics. It's no win, it's no loss. It's just a continuing, ongoing session of he say, she say. Right. Say this, he say, she say. Right. I think this situation will be like the rest of them.

I think everybody deserves to have their day in court. Everybody deserves to be heard. And, you know, men or women of his peers, if it gets that far. But it's just a continuation. of his peers if it gets that far. But it's just a continuation. It seems like it's never ending. It seems like it's a Groundhog's Day or I'm sure it's a

bad dream for him. He just lost his father. I didn't know that. He said, I was reading today where he said the team gave him a choice. Either he could go and be with his family or he could play in the game. And he chose to play to be with his brothers. I think a lot of people probably would have done that. I remember when Brett Favre lost his father the night before and he played probably his arguably one of his best games of his career.

I think a lot of guys would probably do that some. And I wouldn't hold that against them if they chose to be with family at a time like this. I certainly would understand it. But I'm think if you're a man or a woman involved in this, I don't think it ever goes away. I don't think you let get over it. I don't think you get over it. Now it replays in your head like a loop. But we'll see what happens down the road. If something comes over, maybe there's a settlement. Maybe, you know, the judge is taught i don't know and uh like you said all we know is that there were charges filed um saying that alleging that this is what transpired so we'll see um once it uh the internet talking about the internet

speculating that the browns leaked this info to get out of the contract. I don't think they can because it's something that's ex post facto. It didn't happen after he signed the contract. This happened before he signed the contract. So it's almost like, and I hate to use the term grandfather, because it's something that happened before the contract was signed, don't you? Yeah. So it's like, I can be in an apartment

and you don't have an ordinance that says I can't have a mini horse. When I go get a mini horse and you say, well, moving forward, nobody can have a mini horse. Well, I'm grandfathered because I had the mini horse before you set the ordinance. Right. So in this situation, I could be wrong.

I'm sure some lawyers would like to jump on here. But... I could be wrong. I'm sure some lawyers would like to jump on here. But it says here, the full paragraph of paragraph 42, players hear about. Did Watson disclose this specific potential claim to the Browns in writing before he signed the contract? That's the key question. If he did, the lawsuit can't activate paragraph 42. If he didn't, things get potentially complicated. But here's the thing.

What if he didn't know? What if he didn't know? I can see because a lot of these women had already put situations out there. If he doesn't know right i can see because a lot of these women had already put situations out there if he doesn't know i mean that's the thing this is this is not it it's cut and dry as it seems ocho you can like we know it's

illegal to park by a fire hydrant it's illegal to park in front of a fire hydrant. You can say, well, I didn't know they don't say ignorance of the law is not an excuse. If I don't know that someone is going to ledge a claim against me, how can I tell you that something that I don't know? That's not I don't believe that's an ignorance of the law as parking or you know running a red light or parking in front of a fire hydrant this is totally different i don't know i don't i don't know he could have known and not disclosed i don't know but i'm just saying i don't know somebody might 20 20 years ago saying you know what this what happened huh well shannon we're gonna have to void the contract hell i didn't know it happened i can't tell you something that I didn't know

but this is a really tough situation Ocho because you're dealing we see the thing that happened in Hollywood and with this Me Too movement now it's like people are not asking questions you're like you're guilty until proven innocent it used to be innocent

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