Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to 49ers firing Steve Wilks, Cowboys hiring Mike Zimmer, Caleb Williams

Episode Date: February 16, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the San Francisco 49ers dismissing defensive coordinator Steve Wilks after their Super Bowl LVIII loss to the Kansas City Chiefs, Mike Zimmer saying he's "not trying to reinvent the wheel" as the Dallas Cowboys' defensive coordinator, new Washington Commanders offensive coordinator dodging a question about USC star quarterback Caleb Williams, Beyonce's new songs getting barred from country music radio stations, and much more! 06:00 - 49ers fire Steve Wilks reaction 18:30 - Cowboys hire DC Mike Zimmer 27:15 - Kingsbury dodges Caleb Williams question 40:45 - Unc doesn’t have any apps 47:15 - Shannon doesn’t know how to book flights 49:15 - What’d they do for valentine’s day 51:15 - Ocho tells Unc he’s working too much (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)      #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Cap. The 49 inspired defensive coordinator Steve Wilkes after one season. Oh, my bad. I forgot. I forgot. We got graphics. Look at that. Dude, it's big. My bad. My bad, Ash. I'll get the hang of it. This is only our second time, but I think by Sunday

I'll have it down pat. In our first segment of the day, News Gap, 49ers fired defensive coordinator Steve Wilks after one season. Kyle Shanahan announced in their movie saying Wilks was always the outsider looking in. Shanahan said, yes, that was

the hardest part. I knew that was a challenge. It's tough, but it's real tough losing D'Amico. It's tough losing Salah two years before. Guess what? Robert Salah was a defensive coordinator. They lost the Super Bowl. He didn't get fired. He got another head coaching job.

D'Amico Ryan was the defensive coordinator, and they lost the NFC Championship game. He didn't get fired. He got a head coaching job. So, in other words, are you really going to put all of this on? Look, Ojo. You know what?

Go ahead. I'm going to let you finish. I've known Kyle Shanahan since he was 12. I played for his dad. When we were in training camp, he was there every day shagging balls, doing a lot of stuff. He wasn't there during the week because he was there every day shagging balls doing a lot of stuff he wasn't there during the week because he was in school but on sunday before the cordless mike he was on the court for his dad so i know cal shanahan 35 years that's how long i've known him 35 years

so this is not easy for me but but I think it deserves to be seen. I don't agree with the decision because there were some decisions that you made like taking the ball. Why the hell you take the ball in overtime when you know the first score, a touchdown will not win you the game. And then you give everything,

then you give the opposing team an opportunity to know what you got. So they know like, guess what, Ocho? Oh, they got a field goal. Guess what? We get a touchdown, we win. But guess what, Ocho? I got four downs.

Because I already know what I got to do. That's why in college, they defer. Because they want to see, they want to know what they got to do. Do they need a field goal because the team didn't score or do we need a touchdown? What about you not running the football? Even though you weren't gashing, but that was going to keep Mahomes off the field and that was going to tie them down. So you made some mistakes.

I mean, look, Greenlaw didn't help your cause. Are you not going to factor in one of your best players goes down on the flukiest accident in Super Bowl history? As fluky as the helmet catch was, that injury to Greenlaw was even more fluky. How many times

don't you have you stood on the sideline and took off and ran on the field? Yeah, many a times. It's routine. I don't know. In my year, 14 years of playing and all my years of watching, I've seen somebody

start to run on the field and tear their Achilles. Now, we've been on the sideline, Ocho, when they had the cords and we see guys, the cords, they pull it and guys get their feet taken out from under them and they hurt themselves like that. But to just like, and snap is Achilles.

No, I haven't seen that, but I do not agree with this because they held them. 19 to 19 points in regulation, 19 points. Not only did they hold them in 19 points, they have had a phenomenal season defensively all season long. Defensively, they had a great season.

Under Wilks, they were a top defense, a top five defense in the NFL. So some of the decision making, not only from the head coach, who needs to take accountability for the loss as well, but let's talk about the other situations, the other big time games that Mr. Shanahan has been in that he has lost. One as a coordinator with the Atlanta Falcons. Hello, you up 28-3. They wouldn't run the ball. You stopped running the goddamn ball to take the time off the clock and allow Tom Brady and the New England Patriots to come back. Let's talk about this game. In the third quarter, your best offensive weapon, CMC, you stopped running the ball with him to put the ball in the air. There were two downs where you should have run the ball. I think it might have, was it the third quarter? It might have

been the third, maybe the fourth quarter. You should have given the ball to CMC. A second down and third down, you chose to throw the ball and And you gave the ball back to Patrick Mahomes. Again, those are on you as the head coach. You're making those calls. One of the reasons why you left. One of the reasons why you lost. It wasn't Steve Wilt's fault, Ocho. It wasn't his fault that the PAT got blocked.

You put that on Steve Wilt? Listen, the special team debacle, that wasn't Steve Wilkes' fault either. No. Matter of fact, if they don't have that debacle on special teams and Ray Ray gets that ball, you win the game. Right. You win the game. You gave them momentum.

They scored a touchdown on that. But here's the thing, Ocho. It's the fact that he said losing Salah, losing D'Amico. Really? When you still had the same top defense, even with Wilks, it was still the same. So Wilks was that bad. You make it

seem like you lost Spags. Spags was the fourth time defensive coach that won Super Bowls. Bill Belichick is a two-time as a D coordinator, and we know he coordinated all those great defenses in New England. Bro, come on

now. And Robert Solomon, so what about his defense? What about his defense is doing? Man, stop this. And for you to do that, oh, we know losing Solomon was tough. He lost. Robert Solomon, last game as the defensive coordinator for the San Francisco

49ers, was an L after you had a 20-10 lead in the fourth quarter. The Kansas City Chiefs scored 21 points. So, whose fault was that? And guarantee you, if Sala didn't get a job,

he was coming back. I get D'Amico's situation. That was a fluky situation, Ocho. Because second player of the game, Riddick hits Purdy's elbow, you know, tears a ligament in his elbow. I get that.

But to say, you know, we knew it was going to be tough. Like Steve Wilson's fettuccine. Listen, that's what we call a scapegoat. that's what we call a scapegoat. That's what we call a scapegoat to get some of the pressure off yourself. And obviously, the media,

has the media failed for that in understanding what's going on in the situation? Of course not. No, and then Nick Bosa talked about we could have been better prepared. For what? You could have been better prepared to know the rules in overtime.

And if you stop crashing your ass down and let Patrick Mahomes get the edge, you could have been better prepared. So how prepared were you in the first half when y'all was all over Patrick Mahomes? Prepared very well. Playing very well. Now all of a sudden,

we could have been better prepared. You could have done a better job. 49 is finished. Finished 20-23. the season third in points. They only allowed 17 points per game. Wait. Yes. 17 points per game.

When D'Amico Ryan was there, they only allowed 18 points per game. So, obviously, this year. They got better. Last I checked, 17 is less than 18. They got better. They finished fifth in takeaways with 28 and had 22 interceptions was tied for first in the league and obviously you know the 49ers finished the season 12 and 5 before you've been getting to before you can get into the playoffs yes wilks is a problem an issue

scapegoat that's the only that's the only thing there's really no other logical answer to why you would fire mr wilks after a season like he's had and to say the man wasn't outside of looking in wait those are those his words really yes move it moves saying wilkes wasn't outside of looking in yeah that was the hardest part i knew that was a challenge it's tough it was tough but it's real tough losing D'Amico. It's tough losing Sala two years before. So is he saying he wasn't his choice

to begin with? When you say outside looking in, you know what? He wasn't the guy I really wanted, but I bought him in anyway. You think that's what you're saying? Look, the buck starts with Kyle. I know John Lynch is the general manager, but the buck starts with Kyle. I know how his is the general manager, but the buck starts with Kyle. I know how his dad operated.

I know how he operates. So if there was somebody that you thought was better, you would have got him. Clearly. I just want Steve Wilks. And look, I know Steve a little bit because Steve was the head coach of my alma mater, Savannah State.

So you see how he's worked his way up. But he's got a raw deal in Arizona. After one year, they fired him he's got a raw deal in arizona after one year they fired it he got a raw deal in carolina after he did a great job filling in for matt rule and he got the rawest of rawest deals and i know i don't give a damn about no pause he got a raw deal yeah that's a bull that's a bull jive yeah it is and i just i just want somebody to give this man a a an opportunity i believe he's earned an opportunity to have more than one effing year or seven job seven games on an effing job right because that's all he's got no joke he got one year as the d coordinator in

san francisco and they make it seem like they they were bottom feeder defense. They gave up 17 points a game, and he held Patrick Mahomes to 19 points in regulation. Yeah. And who was going to play offensively? That should have beat. And you already scored 19 in regulation. Why are you over there bumping him? There's some bull jobs.

Like I said, I think Steve Wilson's got the raw deal. He's got the raw deal at every turn. One year in Arizona. Seven, eight games in Carolina. And not one year again. So if you add it all up together, I mean, come on, man. Damn. What do you got to do?

They playing games. There's a whole other side of the tale I'm not even going to get in. The run defense took a more severe tumble from 2 to 26. Well, they decreased in points, but it wasn't like they got the ball run down their throat. It wasn't like Kansas City ran the ball. Look, a lot of those runs was Patrick Mahomes scrambling. Yeah, that fourth fourth down that was a

design run to put him on the edge look if that guy crashes we're gonna throw the ball to the platycelts the rpo option yeah yes nice yeah that was a good play call it was a great play call because you're not look maybe if that's lamar jackson maybe if that's uh justin fields i'm planning for some type of run pass option. And I ain't thinking, I'm thinking more run than pass with those two guys. I'm not thinking run, no run option with Patrick Mahomes.

No, at all. And then he came back like, what, one or two plays later and hit right up the seam, kind of like he did against Philly the year before in the Super Bowl. It took off. Right up there you got. Man, that's just, man, I feel bad for Wilks. Hopefully he gets

an opportunity. He should. He should. He should. All the coaching vacancies, maybe not head coaching, but all the... All the coordinator jobs are filled. All the head coaching jobs are filled. Damn. That's crazy when you think about it yes who's been feel who's come in as a d coordinator now for the 49ers i guess they're gonna they're gonna promote from within

that's that's that's totally unfair because now someone takes over that defense that that is already good it kind of reminds me of the mark jackson situation in a sense yeah because they're already good obviously the coat the coaching also helped when you have when you have the personnel good it kind of reminds me of the mark jackson situation in a sense yeah because they're already good obviously the coat the coaching also helped when you have when you have the personnel hell it's gonna take care of itself when you had that kind of when you had those kind of players on defense well it's gonna take you and i both disagree with the decision of the 49ers if their decision um to do whatever they want but i'd be able to i stringently disagree with the decision of the 49ers is their decision um to do whatever they want but i'd be able to i stringently disagree with that decision um i wish steve wilkes the best uh hell like i

said i've known kyle i played against john lynch i know lynch uh very very well hell i know mike shannon has he still has uh he's still in the building but this is i do not agree with this decision this was a bull job decision. I'll take that and I stand on that. I got my white Air Force ones on. Desi said, white Air Force one, that's different than the black Air Force one.

I don't own no black Air Force one, but I'm standing on it. Hold on. The Cowboys, Ocho, hired a new defensive coordinator. They hired Mike Zimmer, and Zimmer came and said, we're not trying to reinvent the wheel. Over the last three seasons, the Cowboys defensive ranked seventh, tied for fifth, and fifth in points allowed,

while totaling 93 takeaways. So Zimmer thinks he's inherited a decent situation. We're not trying to reinvent the wheel here. I mean, they've been pretty good. I've been in some of the situations where things haven't happened, but that happens in coaching. It happens a lot. Oh, is that the same wheel

that gave up 48 points? Is that that wheel? What kind of wheel is that? Is that a big wheel or a tri-sickle wheel? Yeah. Mike is a great coach. Mike is a great coach. Mike was a great coach. Very, very good D coordinator. I played for Mike Zimmer, obviously, in Cincinnati.

I don't remember exactly what year it was, but our defense was very good then during that time. And I think Mike can make a difference to that defense. When they had collapses, the way they collapsed against the Packers, they collapsed against what? The uh collapses again they collapse against what the 49ers the 49ers the arizona cardinals and and all those teams obviously did one thing they all ran the ball they all ran the ball and exposed them very very badly obviously the packers did it through the through the air through the air and and the run and i'm sure mike can get in there change a few things up they that to, I think they still need to get a little beefy. I still think they need to get a little beefy

up front because obviously the key, what we've all saw people do, is run straight downhill at them. They're lighting the bridges, Ocho. They're lighting the bridges. I like the hire. I like the britches, Ocho. Yeah. They like the britches. So I like the hire. I like the hire with Mike. I love the hire. I think it's great.

But let's not pretend that they'll say, now, I just want to know, the wheel, are these wheels going to have tired legs? Because remember, you heard that when they said they had tired legs. You heard that, Ocho. You said, hey, we need another guy or two. Are we them boys or do we need some more boys? They got it.

They got it. I'm a firm believer. You see the difference between Kansas City and the Cowboys. When Kansas City needed a field goal, they went and got the field goal to tie the game and send it to overtime. When they needed a touchdown to go get to win the game, they went and got it. When the Chiefs defense needed to keep their ass out of the end zone or keep them out of field goal range,

they did that. What do the Cowboys do when they needed scores, when they needed points, when they needed to get off the field? So, I don't care. I see this 93 takeaway. Okay? But when you needed a takeaway against Green Bay, what'd you get? I know Dak Drew for the most touchdowns in the NFL this year, but when you needed Green Bay, what'd you get? I know Dak grew for the most touchdowns in the NFL this year,

but when you needed to score, what did you get? So don't tell me how good you were, because if you can't do what you need to do when you got to do it, it don't mean jack. You know what they need to do? You know what the Cowboys, not the Cowboys, you know what the Chiefs had? What? The Chiefs had an owner that wasn't in front of the camera all season goddamn long, too.

No, Clark Hunt is not in front of the owner. He's like his dad. None of the Hunts was in front of the camera. No. Guess what they was hosting in February? The Lombardi. All right, now. It ain't rocket science.

Ocho, don't you know I got to get the credit? Because if I hire somebody, if I hire Bill Belichick, if I have somebody, he go get the credit. Jimmy Johnson, I promise you, I'm old enough. I don't know how you probably 15. But I remember nobody mentioned Jerry Jones name when Jimmy was there. It was Jimmy talking about how about them cowboys? And Jimmy was getting all the credit. And Jerry seed.

He seed. Because he desired that. Attention to the drug. Yeah. And people crave it. And a lot of times they'll say or do anything to get it. This man fired a two-time back-to-back champ. And I know what Jimmy said.

He was burnt out. But he he was burnt out but he was so burnt out that he went got another job at miami a few years later that's how burnt out jimmy was yeah i mean the the proof is in the pudding the proof is in the pudding everyone else that is one lombardi their owners weren't front and center no they didn't make it they didn't make they didn't make it a circus they They didn't make it about them. They allowed the coaches, the team, and everyone else to do their job.

He learned from Al Davis. That's how Al was. And so Al was always front and center. And so that's how he runs his team. Yeah. Al didn't give a damn what his players did as long as they showed up on Sunday. He meant that. He said in the first series or two, the quarterback must go down,

and he must go down hard. So if you look at, like, I know you don't remember, the old Miller Lite commercials. Look at all the Raiders players that they had in there. Because that's what they did. I told y'all, man, I saw Greg Townsend in 90 sitting outside on his helmet smoking a cigarette. Al didn't give a damn.

As long as you played. That's how Jerry is. Jerry's always, you know, front and center. Al did a lot of that, too. And that's what Jerry learned. Jerry learned his mannerism and how he is as an owner from the late great Al Davis. Rest his soul. Maybe, hey, listen, maybe that's why things aren't, I hate to say it. There's one common denominator. There's one common denominator that's in place. That's always been there that

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Cliff Kingsbury dodges questions about caleb williams the commander who draft second need a quarterback and the camp commander's offensive coordinator cliff kingsbury coached williams at usc last season he said today he's a great kid there There's no doubt. Just getting to watch Lincoln from afar and observe him and how he coaches and how he schemes things up. His process was huge. And it just being around the younger players.

Kingsbury was asked what he looks for in a quarterback. And he jokes, the Chiefs quarterback. Kingsbury was the offensive coordinator, head coach at Texas Tech. Tech, yeah. So. Why, I'm just curious. Why would you dodge those questions when you know you're probably going to find a way to get them?

Yeah, you have to trade up. But you don't want to, here's the thing, Ocho. I don't want to show you my hand because then I'll let somebody build a hand that's better than mine. But listen, you already know you're going to get it. Okay, okay.

You already know you need a quarterback. Oh, you want him. You already know Sam Howard's not your answer. Guess what? I'm number three. I want him too. I'll bid you. Thanks for opening your mouth.

You show me your hand. Oh, I'll make you do a Ricky Williams. I'll make you give up your entire draft and first picks next year and the year after. We talk about a generational talent. We talk about a quarterback coming in that has the ability to change your franchise. They don't pick first.

They pick second. So that means somebody can bid out, bid them to move up to one, right? What did Brother Caleb Williams say about going to Chicago? It doesn't matter what he says. It doesn't matter. You don't think so?

I'm saying someone can offer more assets than Washington to move up to one. Right. That's what I'm saying. So that's why you keep it hush. Hey, we play in poker. And you're like, ooh, boy, I'm sitting on something over here. Ooh, you keep talking.ush hey you we playing poker and you like well i'm sitting on something over here you keep talking yeah i i just don't really see playing poker and not answering the questions knowing when it's common sense and you're understanding what you need the world because

goddamn stevie wanted to see what you need yeah and getting and getting him he's very very i'm not calling him patrick mahomes in the chat i'm not calling him Patrick Mahomes in the chat. I'm not saying he's Patrick Mahomes, but if you watch Caleb Williams play, he's very Patrick Mahomes-ish. Yeah. The way he throws, his mannerisms, the way he runs, the way he processes things, the arm angles, the mechanics, everything is there. The play-make ability through the air and with his legs. He runs when he needs to. He extends plays when he needs to.

He does things not every other quarterback can do. I hear a lot of people say Drake made this, Drake made that. Let's stop. Let's pause a little bit. Let's go back and watch some film and understand how good Caleb Williams is. I know USC didn't play that well this year. They weren't good as a whole. He is a game-changing generational talent at the quarterback position.

They're going to get him. I'm not sure why Cliff is scared. I should have been in Cliff's shoes. You asked me the goddamn question about goddamn Caleb Williams. You goddamn right we want him. You goddamn right we're going to get him. We're going to do everything we can to make sure we secure him and get that young. You're not the only one that needs a quarterback.

The last thing you want to do is to let why you think people don't tell you who they potentially like or what they don't. They like we like them all because I don't want you to zoom up the board and take it. Oh, thanks for telling. Oh, that's what you're going to do. take it. Oh, thanks for telling me. Oh, that's what you're going to do, Ocho? Thank you for telling me. Hey, Washington. Hey, Bears. What up, Washington? We'll give you four first-round picks.

You see? I know you in the running. Everybody know Washington, but guess what? For that pick, if he's what you said he is you can't give up enough what would a team right now give up to get Patrick Mahomes

what would a team right now give up to get one of these top five quarterbacks because you're not the only one you're not the only one that need a drink of water there are a lot of people on the island that don't have fresh drinking water

they all thirsty exactly but look I'm just trying to figure out how Cliff Kingsbury keep failing up he had Patrick Mahomes, got fired, couldn't do nothing. He done been a lot of places, get fired, don't do nothing,

but he keep getting, and he was the man got fired from a job and got a, what college coach gets fired from college and then gets a head coach's job in the damn NFL? Well, that's why you learn, you learn early in life. One of the most important things that you can

have is relationships. Yes. Never burn your bridges. And Kyle Cliff Cliff Kingsbury is an example of that. Never burn bridges. Always keep and build relationships with people because you never

know when you're going to need them again. And he has been a great example of having relationships with the right people when you're going to need him again. And he has been a great example of having relationships with the right people because you're going to always have a job. DraftKings Sportsbook has DraftKings Sportsbook has Caleb Wade

as the overwhelming favorite to go number one. He's minus 900. So the commanders are going to need to make a move. Guess what, Ocho? I know you want it. Now I'm going to drag the price up. You know what I'm going to need to make a move guess what Ocho I know you want it now I'm gonna drag the price up you know what I'm gonna do Ocho I'm gonna do like they did during COVID

what was prices sky high higher than giraffe hoo-ha and you know a giraffe head is 18 foot high so you know the hoo-ha way up there too so that's what I'm gonna do for you thank you Ocho for telling me that's what you want oh you want it I want you to say for you. Thank you, Ocho, for telling me that's what you want. Oh, you want it. I want you to say it. I'm glad you did, Ocho. Thank you for telling me you want it. It's going to cost you five first-round picks now for running your mouth. Hey. It's already set in stone.

Yeah, yeah. I told you. Stevie Wonder can see it. Ray Charles can see it. Five first-round picks. Two second-round picks. Three third-round picks. Keep talking. Whether you say it or not, you know where I'm three third round picks. Keep talking.

Whether you say it or not, you know where I'm going. You know what we need. We need somebody to throw the ball to Jahan Dotson, Brother Samuels. We need somebody to throw the ball to Terry McLaurin, who is the best quarterback in the draft. I can tell you right now that I know what the Bears going to do. The Bears, I don't know, it might happen before draft day, but brother Justin Fields is going to Atlanta.

Brother Justin Fields is going to Atlanta, and they're going to give up whatever they need to. Well, if the Bears trade Justin Fields, they're going to sit on Caleb Williams. Why would I trade Justin Fields and then trade Caleb Williams and let Washington or some other team get it? They have quarterbacks. Quarterbacks will be going from the Falcons to the Bears.

Man, I don't want... You think... Hold on. Do you actually think I want Ritter? You think I want Heineken? Really? Yeah. I'd rather take a six-pack for Heineken.

And you tell me good Ritters before I want either one of them guys. Listen, I'm just telling you how the play is going to go. And I ain't been wrong. I ain't been wrong all season. I haven't been wrong all season about the games that I've guessed. I'm not a gambler. I've been right. I was right about the Super Bowl game.

I told you what was going to happen, and now I'm telling you what's going to happen in the draft. It's going to go exactly like that. I guarantee you. I'm not saying I got the script. I'm not saying I got the script. I'm not saying I got the script. I'm just telling you what's going to happen. That's how it's going to play out. You think the Bears want Ritter or Heineke?

They got to do something. Yes. Okay, what if I trade Justin Fields to Atlanta and then I keep caleb williams oh that's nasty work right there on that's nasty work as much as you say i already know what's gonna happen as much as you as much as you said you're making sense you're making chicago chicago will be out of their damn mind to trade that number one pick and trade Justin Fields. And I believe you out of your mind if you believe that's what's going to happen.

Hey, listen, draft day, you never know. I'm not saying I'm not Mel Kiper. Oh, Joe, you actually think they're going to trade? Okay. Justin Fields, who's a first round pick. We're going to trade him to Atlanta. We're also going to trade the right to the first round pick to Washington or whomever. And in return, we're going to take Heineke or Desmond Ritter. Hey, them some solid quarterbacks now.

If they so solid, why won't let, why doesn't Atlanta want him? I don't know, but I'm just telling you how it's going to play out. The NFL has always been, why doesn't Atlanta want him? I don't know. But I'm just telling you how it's going to play out. The NFL has always been crazy in the way it operates. Before anything else play out, I don't want no more bets with you

until you Venmo me, cash out me, whatever they got you. They got Venmo. Wait, time out. Time out. What debt? I won my bet. did you ain't no bet with me i told you first of all your bet was uh cadarious tony wasn't gonna drop a pan not only did he drop

one it got picked off and i told you i told you the same thing we bet 200 on your guy up in new york zach yeah yo zach then now all of a sudden, you don't say by the bell. You talk about Zach? Yeah. And we ain't talk about say by the bell, Zach, either. We talk about that Zach up at New York. Yeah, that's that boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So until you pay me, I don't want to hear nothing about no bet. Until you break brand. Zelle, Venmo, Cash App. I got you. Apple Pay., Cash App, Apple Pay. Yeah, you love Apple Pay. Have Doug to break me off. I forgot all about that. As a matter of fact, I want my money

Western Union. I want to go to Piggly Wiggly. I want to go to a Ralph and go to that little partition. Wait, what's Western Union? What's that? Don't worry about it. Rail, no.

Rail. What's Western Union? It's the fastest way to ship money. No, Apple Pay. No, I want Ocho to pay. Damn Apple. I want Ocho to pay.

I ain't never heard no Western union What? Don't worry about it That's some new shit? No, that's some old shit That's what they used to do back in your day, huh? Yep, they still do it That's how I want my money I want to go to I want to go to Ralph's and stand up in that corner in the partition Give them my ID and let them type it in.

Oh, yeah. There you go, Mr. Shark. $400. And they hand you the money? Yeah, they hand me the money. That sounds like some old Western type shit. It is. Man, technology.

You got to evolve with the times, man. I want the technology. All I want is the money. Guess what? They done had a lot of stuff. They done had that crypto. They done had NFT. But hey, Guess what? They'd have had a lot of stuff. They'd have had that crypto. They'd have had NFT. But hey, guess what?

One of America's greatest, one of America's greatest exports. You know what one of the greatest exports is for America? U.S. currency. I know. That's why I'm going to pay you through Apple Pay.

No, y'all don't want no Apple Pay. I want Ocho to pay. I want cold, hard cash. Wait's why I'm going to pay you through Apple Pay. No, y'all don't want no Apple Pay. I want Ocho to pay. I want cold, hard cash. Wait, why would you make it more difficult on me when you can get your money the same way? That's the whole purpose. You see, I keep telling you, when I used to bet the guys in the locker room, Ocho,

we bet $500, we'll bet $1,000. They never paid me in cash. I wanted coins. I didn't want your money. I wanted your pride. I want you to go to the bank and get $10,000 worth of coins. And when they,

because they're going to ask you, the cashier is going to ask you, well, Mr. Johnson, why do you need $10,000 worth of coins? I lost the bet to Unk. That's what I want you to say. I don't like that. I want you to pay me $400,

go to Western Union, and you put who the recipient is, Shannon Unk Sharp. Well, I could put that in Apple Pay. I could put the memo. I don't want that in Apple Pay. I want somebody to know. No, no, see, because nobody know about it but me and you. I want that lady that's typing it in

to see that. How you doing? I like nightcap. Oh, yeah. What's Unk like? I saw your first date. How much are you sending, Mr. Johnson? 400?

Yeah. That what I want. I ain't got to pay no extra to ship, do I? No, yeah, you got to pay extra. So why would you make me... God, at $400, you'll probably call you about 420 nah i can't do i can't do that i'm an apple pay i ain't got no phone i ain't got no apple

phone i got a galaxy a who a galaxy i got a flip phone motorola cash app i cash app you i ain't got no cash app i ain't got no apps you you got. I ain't got no apps. You got it. I got ESPN and Google. That's the only apps I got. I ain't got no cash apps. I ain't got no Uber or Lyft. I ain't got no Uber Eats. I ain't got

no DoorDash. I ain't got none of that. Well, how the hell you get food? Take my black ass to the grocery store. Or the lady or cat comes Well, how the hell you get food? Take my black ass to the grocery store. Or the lady or cat comes and prepares it. What do you mean, how? You got a chef?

Yeah. Oh, this man here, man. I mean, you got a chef, man? Sure do. And I'm going to pay her for one of her sessions when she come prepare the meal with the money that you sent me. That's an unnecessary expense. No, what's unnecessary is that my money is drawing interest in your damn pocket.

That's what's unnecessary. See, I told you, money out of sight calls a fight. I should have made you put the money down right then and there. We weren't in person. We was doing the show when we made the bet. Pay me.

Like KGB say, pay the man. Pay him in money. I'm going to cash up it right now. I don't know who it's going to because I ain't got no cash. All I got to do is type in your name and it's going to pop up. I bet you $500.

I bet you another $500. No, no, no pop up. I bet you. I bet you $500. Let's bet you another $500. No, no, no, no, no, no. It ain't 500. You got no cash yet, Mocho. I don't have all them apps. I'm telling you. I don't have DoorDash. When I want, when I want some, when I want to, when I get Uber,

Shelly calls and she has to, she has to like, okay, it's 11 o'clock here because she's on the east coast Shelly handles all that wait you have somebody that's all the way on the east coast handling something when you want something neat when you can just download the app yourself I'm in Indy right now Shelly had the Uber pick me up

I said uh Uber for Miss Davis yep that should be oh man you complicating life a little too much, man. I keep telling... Listen, Shelly, listen. You complicating things a little too much.

Ocho, I've been working in this business for 20 plus years. Yes, sir. You call CBS. You call Fox. You call ESPN. You call anybody

that had anything to do with business and ask them how many times they've talked directly to Shelly before going through Shelly. Oh, they got to've talked directly to Shelly before going through Shelly. Oh, they got to go through somebody else first? They go through Shelly. I don't have email. Shelly has email. Everything that's set up

with my technology is through her email. God damn, you ain't got no email? Boy, you operate like the Flintstones. Shelly handles that. Everything goes through Shelly. ESPN, CBS, Fox, like the Flintstones. Shelly handles that. Everything goes through Shelly. I'm, you know, I'm going to try this. ESPN, CBS, Fox, anybody that had anything,

they'll tell you. I'm going to try that. I'm going to try that. I'm going to do everything through real. Go ahead. All business got to go through her. I like that. I'm going to try that.

I'm going to try that. CBS, CBS tried to set me up an email account right they set up an email account and then they would call me and say we sent you an email I said why don't y'all

just tell me what the hell is on the email I mean what the hell Ocho what the hell you got you sent me an email they set me up an email account

and everything Ocho right and then they call me hey Shannon check your email okay just tell me what the email's saying. So eventually, that's what they did.

ESPN, when they, hey, it goes through Shelly. I gotta try that. That puts too much work on Shelly, though. That's Shelly's job. That's why she gets paid what she gets paid. That's why she has the life that she has. She handles everything. She styles me. She was styling me before I hired Hollywood. And she got upset about that. I said, okay, I'll give you your job back. She handles everything. Travel. For me, my mom, my sister, my kids, she handles all that. Bills paid. Boom, boom, boom. Get everything to the accountant. Boom,

boom, boom. Everything to my attorney. Boom, boom, boom. That's her job. Her job revolves around Shannon. Baby! Baby! All right. You got a new job starting in March. Real work.

Real work. Shelly's only job is me. Okay. I like that. Her only job is me. Okay. Okay. Okay. I like that. Her only job is me. That's her job.

Well, I'm going to start small then. I'm going to start small. I'm going to start small with... I want to try that Uber shit. I want to try that Uber shit. Baby. I want Uber Eats. You got Uber Eats on your phone?

Hell no. I ain't got... Listen. I'm not even going to be funny. You think it's bad. I'm going to tell you the apps I have on my phone. The main apps I have on my phone. I have Cash App.

I got Netflix. Obviously, Twitter, Instagram. Snapchat. I don't think I opened Snapchat since it came out. But my most important app... I ain Instagram, Snapchat. I don't think I opened Snapchat since it came out. But my most important app on my phone is Fubo. My Fubo app to watch soccer. I don't think maybe the chat, some people in the chat might know what the Fubo app is. Very, very important app that I use to watch soccer.

Obviously, Apple Music, my Xfinity account Fox Sports account Etsy I don't know if you know that Etsy where I get my where I get some of my jerseys from I get all most of my soccer jerseys on there on Etsy oh I got a wallet hmm I got a wallet. Hmm? I got a wallet. Wallet? Oh, wallet. You mean like with your credit card on it? I ain't got no credit card. Hell nah.

I ain't got nothing on my credit card. Hell nah. Man, I don't put my credit card on nothing. No? Hell nah. Oh, boy. Boy, you living in the stone age, man. You got the...

Hell to the no. Hold on. McDonald's app. Man, look. Ocho. Yeah, that's it. Ocho. How about this, Ocho?

Yeah. Since I've been out on my own, I've never booked a flight. I've never booked a hotel. Okay. I know. Okay. I know. Okay. Not, not, no.

You, when you was playing and you had, you had a little thing coming into town, who you put in your business and let them book their flight for, for the old lady? My brother had a travel agent. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I've never booked a flight.

I would, I could not go. I could not go. I couldn't tell you how to book a flight. Like even still today? Yeah. I would't tell you how to book a flight. Like even steal the date? Yeah, I would probably need to call the hotel and tell them. Even when I was going to Daytona, I would just show up.

It's like, yeah, you having a vacancy? And I'd have to put like $1,000, $1,500 down cash for incidentals. Because I didn't have no credit card then. Damn. Yeah, I've never booked a hotel Damn. I've never booked a hotel room. I've never booked a flight. I couldn't tell you how to.

Boy, you're living in a stone age, boy. She only handles all that. That's her job. I just, I mean... I let everybody have a job. Jordan has a job. Hey, he don't ask me no questions, boss. You don't know how to do that? No, that's your job. You're supposed to know how to do it. Ash have a job. Jordan has a job. Hey, he don't ask me no questions. Boss, you don't know how to do that?

No, that's your job. You're supposed to know how to do it. Ash has a job. She don't say, hey, Shannon, you don't know how to do that? No, that's your job. Hell, if I could do it, I wouldn't need you. Jordan, if I could do that, I wouldn't need you. Shelly, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

If my sister needs something, if my mom needs something, the kids, they don't call Shelly. Yeah, but you have to also be self-sufficient just in case Shelly wants a vacation. Or if Ash goes on vacation. You got to know how to do it yourself. Just have them do it. We going on vacation at the same time. There will be no vacations.

Ash going on vacation. George going on vacation. When Shelly take vacation, they can take vacation God damn Yes Absolutely We all go on vacation at the same time Well you got rough over there boy

Yeah You run a tight ship over there boy I think they kind of like to pay The pay really good over here The pay is really good over here. The pay okay, Jordan? Jordan, man, I'm really good. I got six, eight months free rent. I got a moving expense.

Jordan ain't paying rent yet. I hit down eight months. Shit. Baby, is the pay good? Yeah, shit. the pay good? Yeah shit The pay good Shit Especially after yesterday

What you did for Valentine's Day? Shit Oh sorry I ain't do nothing What today What was Valentine's Day? Yesterday? Yes yesterday

It ain't even 24 hours You ain't know what Valentine's Day was? You ain't had no Valentine's Day? Yesterday? Yes, yesterday. It ain't even been 24 hours. You didn't know what Valentine's Day was? You ain't had no Valentine? I was home in my bed. You ain't had no Valentine? I mean, I know you probably don't want to say it because people watching. I was at home in my bed.

Ocho, when I go to Atlanta, the only time I come out of my bedroom is if I got an appointment. Other than that, I come out of my bedroom, I go in the kitchen, I eat, I go back in my bedroom. I don't cut no TV on. I like how you said that because that's what the kids say nowadays, an appointment. No, they don't say that. When I go to Atlanta, I'm going to get my nails done. I go to my lady, Marilyn. Marilyn, I i know you're not watching this but thank you joe joe king's been cutting my hair for 30 years he's the only person that's ever cut my hair

in atlanta that's it that's that's that's the only thing now occasionally i go out my daughter the kid i was like okay look your dad's in town okay we're going out to eat at this time i don't ask i say we're going out to eat this time. But other than that, I'm in my room. Yeah. I don't like that. I've been trying.

I've been trying to find you someone, um, to keep you company, to be able to go out, to dine out with, to have great conversations with, to have a great time. Huh?

Nightcap club, Shay, Shay, ESPN. Listen, there are other facets of life as well. You, you are, you are human. You're human.

You can do things outside of work. You got to have partnership. You got, you got to have relationships outside of work. Everything can be work, work, work, work, work, all fun and no play is not going to work. You're going to work yourself into the ground. That that's not good. You have to not for me. It was Valentine's day yesterday. That is the day of love. That's not good. You have to reset. It was Valentine's Day yesterday. That is the day of love. That is love day. You have to have... Man, they made that issue up. You think so?

It's a scam? I know so. So it's a scam? Yeah. And you fell for it. I didn't fall for it. I mean, I'm just... I just... It was a day where I get to show the person I love appreciation.

Okay. So that's the only day you show that, huh? I mean, well, the other days I show it, but not as much. I don't put it on display as much as I do on that special day. It ain't nothing special. Every day is special. Well, with me, yeah, every day is special, but I just... The onus of

making sure you know this day is about you is a little better. So you ain't getting nobody no gift for nothing? No, I ain't getting no gift. I got a gift. I mean, Ocho man Look

I was trying to get you To come on And then I was like Damn it's Valentine's Day Cause Gil had something Had Gil something scheduled I tried to get you out Like oh it's Valentine's Day

I know That's what I'm saying Hey I told I told Ray You mind if You mind if we cancel We cancel dinner Ray was like

Fuck I know What do you think you mean What I say Nah baby I'm gonna do nightcap We can catch dinner cancel dinner. Real like, fuck, I know. You think you mean? I say, nah, baby, I'm going to do nightcap.

We can catch dinner the next day. Real say, I'm going to peel your cap. But she was hot, where? I don't blame her, Real. But I did suggest it,

Real. That would have been on me, Real. That's on me. That's on me. But I'm just trying to get, Real, I'm just trying to get you.

I was trying to get out of there. I was trying to get out of going to dinner. I was really willing to do nightcap but i got my little basketball knowledge is is is coming in uh coming into play i'm getting a little bit yeah it's so real i was trying to rail what rail don't understand i'm trying to get rail see that jumbo jet that i posted i'm trying to get ocho to get you on one of them take you i'll be the uh uh uh dubai yeah yeah yeah no salty no we done been there already now we yeah yeah we don't keep we gonna keep it close what about mine we just uh we just came back from gattar for

world cup mine she was state she was baby you were stationed in saudi she was stationed in afghanistan so sure did nobody she know about on that side of the water. So I ain't trying to do that. If I'm going to get me a little private jet, I want it to be somewhere close. I ain't got to do much. I want it because,

you know, the flight, you know, you pay by the hour. You know that, right? Yeah. So I know that. I just made, I learned that. I learned that was on my PJ.

So I just want to go somewhere close. St. Martin, St. Bart's, Belize, Jamaica, Bahamas. I don't want to go too far now because I know y'all charging me by the hour and for motherfucking fuel. I want to go somewhere close. Well, you ain't got to gas up. I don't want you gassing up.

I want you to be able to do a round trip on one tank. Oh, no, they ain't doing that. They're going to gas up, Joe. They're going to gas up on you. They're going to gas up. Shit. They don't be gassing up just to be gassing up on my dime. Oh, you wanted to gas up

last day. You wanted to do it and run out of fuel. We have three quarter of a tank of fuel over that ocean. Oh, we good. We good. Oh, we good. We good. Oh, we good. We good.

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