Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho & special guest Desean Jackson joins the show to talk Delaware State!

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and special guest 3x pro bowler and Super Bowl champion Desean Jackson joins the show to talk about his career and his new job as head coach of Delaware state, Shemar Stewart no longer at Bengals mandatory mini camp, and the Los Angeles Chargers show off new patches on practice jerseys and much more!03:30 - Desean Jackson28:34 - Cam wants the smoke with Ocho36:00 - Steelers42:30 - Stewart no longer at Bengals mandatory mini camp54:12 - New patches for LA practice jerseys(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm gonna give you a list of players. Former NFL players that a list of players, former NFL players that were all decade players, that were pro ball players, all pro players. I'm gonna give you a list of 10 guys, name the guy that you think was most likely to become a head coach on any level. D-Jack, I can honestly say I wouldn't have put you at the top of the list, D-Jack. What made you decide to become a head coach? I was gonna say, damn, you wouldn't have put me up there, man. Damn, dog.

No, no, no, no, not at the top of the list. Hey, no, I mean, I mean, honestly for me, you know, the opportunity presented itself, obviously, you know, I retired in 2022. I played in Baltimore and after that year was over, I retired and I walked away feeling like I left everything out there in between the white lines. So for me, I sat around for a whole year, getting contemplated on nothing. I was like, you know what I deserve,

after all the fruits of these labors, all the hard work I put into it, I deserve to sit around for a whole year and not do nothing. I woke up at two o'clock if I wanted to, took the kids to school, I partied, I hung out. I did just the regular things that I wanted to do after all these hard years of working out So after that year, I'm I was like, you know, I gotta get my butt off this couch and go get don't get some income You know me as the Sean McCoy

We had our podcast trying to figure out if I was gonna do the media side of it, you know And for me, it was just like I really didn't know which way to go and I started coaching I went out my older brother was a high school football coach. And I went out there and I coached with a man and I fell in love with coaching, man. So, okay. Then Delaware State thing just kind of honestly fell on my lap after my first year of coaching last year, the end of year, it kind of just fell on my lap, big bro. Hey, has it, has it been a, has it been a difference?

I know being able to coach at the high school level with your brother, has it been a difference in transition? Has it been difficult, you know, coaching able to coach at the high school level with your brother, has there been a difference in transition? Has it been difficult, you know, coaching at the collegiate level now? Or have you been able to adjust to it somewhat? Yeah, no, I mean, great question. I feel like for sure, it's definitely been an adjustment. It's a lot of things, it's different.

It's a lot of things that I was blinded. Like I didn't know I was in the dark, you know, as far as me, honestly, me, I never, like, I played all these years, you know, I played obviously in, honestly, me, I never like, I played all these years, you know, and I played obviously in college. I was never one of them dudes. It was like, when I get done, I'm gonna go coach. So, so, so you kind of are right, but at the end of the day, like, now I'm in this position. I remember when I was in high, I mean, college and the pros, I said I would never coach, obviously, because I knew how much time my college coaches and my NFL coaches put into it. So for me, I think the biggest thing is the off the field

stuff. The X's and O's to me is easy because you know, I was a student at a game and I always, when it came down to football, I'm very football smart. I just think from like the compliance, the admissions, like getting kids into school, you know, in the NFL you ain't got to worry about school. We going, in the NFL, you ain't gotta worry about school. We going out there and playing. We ain't gotta worry about if the dudes got a three point or higher. They going study hours, like, are they doing what they supposed to do? Because, you know, so I was far removed from that side of it.

So now being in this position, it's like I gotta be a father to 90 cats. DJ, when you look at it, you know, talking to Coach Prime and talking to a lot of people that were great at a particular craft, be it a basketball coach or be a basketball player, football player, baseball. For me, I think the hardest thing to do is because you put work into it, but it seemed like football came easy to you. You would bless God, bless you with God, get with speed out of the yin-yang.

You were very, very elusive. And the thing when I talked to Coach Prime, he's like, because I don't look at them kids and I expect them to beat me. What has been the hardest thing as far as like, because you were a great player, you went to Pro Bowl, you and all Pro, an all decade player. What's been the hardest thing to like, to coach a player and not say,

well, son, you should pick that up. That's easy. How do you separate that to like, make sure you understand that they're not Deshaun Jackson. They are who they are and you are who you are. Honestly, the hardest challenge has been, over my career, the accolades, the stats, the Pro Bowls, the All-Pro, everything I've accomplished, for me, it did come easy to them.

So, running fast, catching the football when the ball's in my hand, doing the things that, you know, the characteristics that I did, it came easy to me. So it's unfortunate to say after I look back on my career, if I would have put in the extra push up, if I didn't cut a rep short, if I would have put more time into my craft, just imagine how much more I would have, like, or how better I would have been at my craft. So for me being in this position now, the things I may not have done, or the things I may have took the shortcut out, I'm not allowing my players to miss that because I know the success I had. And I'm like, man, if I would have did the

extra and like, did not just thought it came so easy to me like if I had to put the work in just imagine where I would have been sitting at so for me I think the toughest thing is has been for me is like damn I played at this high level I took I cut corners I didn't always give my all because it came easy but for me now I'm like look don't go do what I did and that what else is crazy is I see my players doing things I once did and I'm trying to coach them like, hey don't do that. But I'm the here and go me 10, 20 years ago, I was the one who did that. Oh, that's what they're doing. Yeah. Hey, the funny thing about it, when I think about it, you know, being a competitor, Jack, you're a competitor and you're not too far removed from the game of football. You just retired in 2022. You're still able to put cleats on, lace them up

and get out there and play. How are you able to control yourself? Because I ain't played in minutes. And put me in a structured environment like that, my crazy ass is gonna have one of a pair of cleats trying to demonstrate and teach and actually be in the way as opposed to being a teacher and being a coach like you are.

Do you ever get antsy and want to put your cleats on sometimes and show players what it should look like? Yeah, for sure. 100%. Yeah, 100%. So, like, honestly, man, I'm 38 years old. Some of these guys obviously anywhere from 19 to 24, 25 years old. So, in this role right now, man, like I still train, I still work out, I still run.

Like I'm telling my players, like there ain't too many head coaches who's gonna strap it up with you in a row, 100 and 50s with you. Like we on the track. Like, you know, cause me, the reason why I was able to play so long, cause I always utilize the track in the off season.

So my players, we just was out in the field today. We had two 300s, we had one 200, and we had three 150s. And I'm out there running with them. I may not be in the front with them, but I'm a fighter. So for me, that's been the challenge, man, because when I go out there, we do the cone drills, we run through it, and I gotta show these dudes to some of these dudes taking five, six steps

to get out their breaks. And I'm like, dog, you never going to add five, six. Right. They take it. But some of these dudes is, you know what I'm saying? It's crazy. Because the other thing, when I got here, some of these dudes are no disrespect to the coaches before. But I'm like, bro, how did some of y'all get scholarships

for Division I school, bro? Who gave y'all scholarships? So like for me, it's just like I'm trying to put my eye on it. And I know for us to win right now. It's not a rebuilding process We got to win right now and I know what it takes so some of these guys they just don't fit the criteria So sometimes I do got to get out there old to and put them pieces on let them know I can still run a bench Road, I can still run a curl. I can still take the top wall DJ look you love Philly. I don't mean personally, and I'm considerably older than you, I'm almost 20 years older than you,

but I followed your career and I know you love Philly. Philly loved you because Philly loved guys that love what they do. And you love what you did. You get in the crowd and be like, hey, get it up, get it up. Hey, I'm about to bring this thing back. You get a touchdown, you run backwards into the end zone. I don't think you ever wanted to leave Philly. You had a very public falling out with Chip Kelly. What was that like knowing that, you know what, I never wanted to leave Philly, but I'm gonna have to leave Philly?

Man, I mean, man, I go back, man, in 2013, man, that for me, that was one of the toughest things I've had to face in my life. When you talk about adversity, when you talk about trials and tribulations, I mean, everything Philly meant to me, obviously, my family is from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. So I grew up a Pittsburgh Stilett fan. So when I got a chance to get drafted by the Eagles. You know, I had some family that actually lived in Philadelphia, because it's down the street from Pittsburgh. Absolutely.

So for me, man, it was a bittersweet thing. And like, now looking back, Harold Carmichael is the all time Philadelphia leader in yours all time. And he had like 6,800. I'm at 6,300 in Philadelphia years. And I played five years and I came back and played two years so, or no, I think it was six and then eight so a total of eight years but in my whole career, 15 years, I got 11,000 plus yards so if I'm to stay there my whole career,

I'm shattering Harold Carmichael record. No disrespect because I think Harold Carmichael was one of the best receivers that played for the Eagles but I look back, you know, Devontae Smith, you've got AJ Brown, you got all these dudes that, you know, their accolades, they're coming up from Churts and it's like, man, if I were to stay there, man, them Churts would have been hard for anybody that shattered. Yeah, they were. To be real, you know, them dudes are brawners, you know what I'm saying? Devontae, I think

he's, you know, him and AJ together, I mean, obviously, you know, when me and Macklin was there, Jeremy Macklin was there, we did some great things. I know T.O. was a guy that comes up with, I mean, honestly, man, what I felt like what I've done in Philadelphia, all the big plays, me and Michael Vick, I can't even go back to Donovan Mnaf, Nick Foles. I mean, I played with so many great quarterbacks, but I think that Philly, that Philly breakup, man, for us as a team, what Chip Kelly did, man, like he dismantled, I think a team that obviously could have been a Super Bowl team.

Now we had to, we would have still had to go out there and, you know, earn that and do that. But 2017, I think had a lot of credibility to the, to the old times in the Philadelphia. Like if you go ask Brandon Graham, Kelsey, Lane Johnson, like all them dudes will tell you like, you know, me, Michael Vicks, Shady McCoy, Jerry Mack, the rest selling, like all them core guys are guys that when we left,

they just kind of took the pedigree and kind of just took it off. Just how, when I was drafted, you had McNabb, you had Westbrook, you had Brian Dawkins, you know, like that's the core of Philadelphia. We turned into the core, you know, like that's the core of Philadelphia. We turn into the core. You're Trotter You know, we we turned into that core Philadelphia. So 2017 a lot of that we carried over it, you know, they took that on and won a Super Bowl

What was what was the what was the environment like? When when Kelly was there because it seemed like they had a lot of issues you had the issue with the receiver Yeah at the the concert. I don't know, were you there then? Yeah, I was there when Rodney Cooper said the comment. Rodney Cooper said what he said and Chip had Mike to get up in front of them and accept his, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't put that pressure on me.

I gotta see some things before I start accepting the apology. Hell, I ain't even heard him say that, he apologized. And you talk about Mike Vickert said, no, Mike ain't said nothing. What was the type of environment that he fostered when he got there, DJ? Oh man, at that period of time, just, I'll go back before the Rodney Cooper, you know, that situation. But like when Chip Kenny first came in, for those who don't know, he literally came in

and you got Pro Bowlers. When I tell you I was a Pro Bowler Vic was a pro bowler McCoy was a pro bowler Jeremy Macdonald was you know a thousand yard receiver I mean we had got you Brett Sillick I mean we had guys I didn't talk about the defense side we had guys that were ballers when shit Kenny came in there he literally had a meeting he said there's no starters so. So you telling me you coming in to a team that got them type of names that I just said, and you saying there's no one's a starter?

Like we literally was not started. Like everybody just was born and we didn't have no first dream, no second. Like it was crazy. So- Hold on. Jack, what is he trying to prove? He's coming into a team with a bunch of Pro Bowlers

that have been playing for a long time and telling y'all you gotta earn your position. You feel me, bro? Buddy was, he lost, like, they won, Buddy lost everybody. Power trip. It was a power trip and like, he came from Oregon where he had success,

but I'm gonna be real, like, everything he was doing, we was like guinea pigs, we was like lab rats. Like, he was like, uh uh put a heart monitor on at night time i wouldn't know how many hours you slept when you come to work i want you to pee in the cup and i want to see how hydrated you are um i'm gonna put trackers on you i need to know how many like it was just crazy and like i ain't gonna lie i was what me and mccoy we was there i mean vic was he had to play the role because you know he was coming off the situation but me and shady mccoy we was like hey, we ain't doing that.

It's some shit we just not going to do. And so so so to go back to that situation with Rodney Cooper, I mean, I can remember that meeting like it was yesterday. He literally he said the comments. And one thing about Rodney Cooper, like Rodney Cooper, he wasn't racist. You know what I'm saying? I just think he got into a situation, intoxicated, somebody said something to him and he just slurred that out. But like, Rodney Cooper was actually a good dude, man, you know what I'm saying? Like, I had a great relationship with him. And when it happened, I just knew, I'm like, we're not like that. But it did happen,

it did come out. And however it came out, he may felt the way he felt. So for us, before we accepted any apologies, we like, we got to really see that this shit is sincere. So I think, you know, he may felt the way he felt. So for us, before we accepted any apologies, we like, we gotta really see that this shit is sincere. So I think, you know, he tried to force that on us. He tried, they tried to patch it up. They tried to do a team meeting and cover it up. But it was like, when we got in trouble, you ain't patching that enough for us. So why you, why you gonna go patch it up for him? So it just, the team did it. It didn't set a right for the team. Hey, when you think about coaching college, coaching football in general, as a coach, is this something that you view

as something you wanna do long-term? Do you envision doing it 20 plus years and maybe transitioning from college to the NFL? Probably 20 plus. He said 20 plus. I mean, so. Hey, hey, DJ, let me get through the first year and I get back at you. You feel me, man?

I ain't gonna lie, but I got a few grades, bro. I've been already stressed out. What they got me at the university, man. You know, it's HBCU, man. We got a lot of, you know, resources. We got a lot of options. Yeah, underfunded. Because confidence right here.

So long term, man, I'm not gonna lie to you. I definitely love to see that I'm in right now, man, to be able to have the success I had on the field and now to be able to be a head coach where I control everything from top to bottom. You know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't even no power trip type of dude, but just to have this control and to be able to say like, that's a resemblance of me. I mean, it's a great feeling, man.

Every day I wake up,'s a great feeling, man. Every day I wake up, I'm rejuvenated. I'm excited to go in there because I'm going to be real with you on control. Like I didn't think it was going to be this, I didn't think I was going to have this much fun doing it, because I thought about the hours and when I get, when I get in there, I get in there about seven, eight in the morning. And by the time I look up, it's like five, six o'clock and then the day's already going, you look up like where did the time go? So it's really like

when you enjoy something and you and you passion about it, it don't seem like work, bro. And like honestly, like the meat is, I'm a head coach so like I got an offensive coordinator, they run the meat is. I got a defensive coordinator, they run the meat is. So I just get to dip and dabble and I don't gotta sit in the full meat. I don't gotta do through instars. I don't gotta go like I just get to dip and dabble and I don't got to sit in a pool meeting. I don't got to do through air stalls. I don't got to do like, I just got to be a leader of men. And at the end of the day, I'm going to make sure my coaches, that's why I surrounded myself. And that's why I respect Prime so much because I feel like in this day, I'm not taking away

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Everything we touch turn to gold. Everything we touch, we always have success, it's following behind us. So when you do get that call from Howie or Jeff, and they'd be like, man, listen, we want you to come on down here to Philly and be the receivers coach. And then you go in and receive the coach at Philly. So hopefully maybe one day something that doesn't happen often is here.

You have a player that actually gets in a position to be a head coach. Can you imagine you? I'd be crazy. Being the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles? What a man. Who you telling? I'm manifesting it for you. Sure.

I mean, my boy, AT man, Tony O'Pierce, man, is somebody that I got a great relationship. Obviously, I see his, you know, his path and what he did. You know, obviously starting at Long Beach probably where I went with my alma mater, obviously one of the best high schools in all of America. We put the most, you know, players in the NFL from my high school. Jack Rabbids. You feel me? Them Jack Rabbids, you already know about them, you feel what I'm saying? So, I mean, I saw AP, I seen him go to Arizona, obviously he did his thing at Arizona State, and then, you know, obviously he was in it for the Raiders and he got the head coach

job. And I still feel like he got up out of their way sooner than he should have. But you know, we ain't gonna talk about that. But I mean, you know, if it presents itself, man, and that happens, man, God, you know, all glory, all power to God. But you know, for me, I'm gonna take it one step at a time. Like you said, I'm for sure gonna have a success here because I just like you say, everything we touch is gold. You know what I'm for sure going to have a success here. Cause I just like you say, everything we touch is gold.

You know what I'm saying? And you know, already, man, we've been doing some crazy things. Like I ain't never been this much attention on Delaware state. The minute I was signed as a head coach, I mean, we got eyes turned and we got players that never would ever consider us. They come in, they lock it in, lock it in with us. We outbeat Maryland, Temple, some big time MBS schools, and we got some good talent coming here.

So all I ask from Lil' Greg and Big Brez, man, just come support me, come to a game. You know, like, you know, cause how everybody was on the sideline with Deion in Colorado. I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm down in Delaware. Yeah. Gotcha.

I do that. I definitely try to get down there. Let me ask you this, DJ. You've had some great plays. You had the punt return in the Meadowlands. As time expired, you ran it back. You had the Monday night throw from Big that probably balled it like it traveled 70 yards in the air. When you span back of your career, give me a couple of plays.

What plays that still stand out when you be thinking about it, you riding in your car or you sitting in your office, you're like, damn. That was a hell of a play. What plays pop up in D. Jack's mind? Man, I got three specific plays. Obviously, people always ask me like, what's my favorite play all the time? And that's hard because I got so many great plays, but I got three plays. And I ain't gonna put no particular order, but I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go one was, I can't remember what, what, what the day was, but it was Dallas, we was playing Dallas Cowboys. Mike Vick threw me like an eight yard hitch.

I caught it. Went all the way down the field, fell in the end zone backwards, 91 yards. The terrorist no one was chasing me down. I fell in on him down there, wanted to do the martial arts. When I hold my, you know, you hold your stick. You know what I'm saying? So that was one play Orlando Scandric, then blew out all his

hamstring trying to come get me. And I'm just jogging. I'm on a hurt ankle. I hurt my ankle earlier in that game. I'm just, I ain't gonna say I'm jogging, but I'm ready and I see him coming like this dude there trying to catch my high step on him, fall back in the end zone. The second one, the Monday night first play of the game when LaRon Landry was talking all that smack before the game, trying to put hand. Yeah, I'm like, hey homie Don't touch me. If it owes you I don't know he said some crazy things to me and it ticked me off. He said Boy, I'm gonna kill you on this. I said every day that person you trying to kill me I would say the second was that the past revenge he threw about yards. And the last but not least is the pump return.

You know, first to last when I dropped it. I tell everybody I dropped it on purpose, set it up so everybody could get out their lanes. And then when I looked up, I hit that thing and it was nothing but success after that. Shout out to my boy Jason the Bop for that defeated block. Hey, you do realize, DJ, you started something. It was you on that Monday night game that dropped that ball at the damn one yard line against the Cowboys

You started that bull job DJ. You know that right? Hey, man, you know what I said about that, man You know, I was a boy. I was young. I was a rookie. It was crazy I did the same thing when I in the high school American and when I tried you did it's no So, you know who really started Reggie Bush started? It's his fault cuz they was playing UCLA It's no so, you know, who really started Reggie Bush started It's his fault cuz they was playing UCLA USC was playing UCLA in the Rose Bowl and this sucker jumped from the five yard line at Cart Ward into the end zone So when I got a chance in the army game, I said I'm gonna jump from the six

Why jump from the six? I jumped from the six when I got up in the air. I said, oh I dropped that ball early. I said I can't do that one. Yeah It's just so funny. it's so funny too. They miss it. Hey, Jack, when we was playing, when we played Notre Dame and the Fiesta Bowl, and I think the DB tried to jump the outroute. It was outroute and the DB, he jumped a little too early.

So I'm going down the sideline against Notre Dame and the Fiesta Bowl. Hell, I dropped the goddamn ball, and damn, it looked like back at the truth But the red listen the rest was so far behind they could they couldn't even see it damn So you got away with one you tell him? Yeah, I got away with one lucky Way back in 2000, but you would have been a person You know what? I'm looking at this schedule you guys you play you play Mike in Norfolk State October 30th. We play at the link. Oh, wow.

I got that done. DJ got, Coach Jack got that done. That's gonna be a good one. That's what's up, Coach Jack. First ever, the HBCU is playing in the NFL stadium regular season. Now, bowl game, we play in Atlanta stadium, but first time ever in a regular season game

is being played in the NFL stadium. Wow. That's awesome, man. That is amazing. Man, D Jack, man, that's unbelievable, man. Congratulations on the job, man. I know you're gonna do great. You're surrounding yourself with great coaches.

You're gonna inspire these young men to do great things, not only in football, but in life. You're gonna, you know, you're tasked with a huge responsibility, Jack. Because these guys look at you, and they wanna get to where you got. And even if they don't get there, if they become successful husbands,

if they become successful businessmen, they become successful brothers, that's all successful businessmen, they become successful brothers. That's all we can ask for. That's all we can ask for. Great man. Great young man. Yes, sir, man. I think the biggest thing I'm preaching to these dudes, because you know, we all know it's only a small field that's gonna get selected to very small field. So I tell my players all the time, man, hey, walk across that stage. They can't never take that paper away from you. You know what I'm saying? You know, in life in general, being a husband, being a brother, being a son, being a father, man, I walk across that stage, they can't never take that paper away from you. You know what I'm saying? No, sir.

You know, my life in general, being a husband, being a brother, being a son, being a father, man, like everything I'm teaching these young men is, is principles that they could take for the rest of their life and help groom them and to be a great young, I mean, great man in the world in general. You want to say? DJ, I appreciate it, man. I'm gonna try to catch a game. I'm gonna try to catch y'all. I might try to catch that link game.

I don't know about that Delaware. I don't know if I'm gonna make it all the way to Delaware, but I might be able to, I might be able to. Keep it. Oh, all right, DJ, we wanna keep it for one more topic. Ocho, this is yours. We gotta let Ocho have his moment. Ocho said he want his moment.

Cam fired some shots at Ocho in his 60 second job. Let's take a listen to what Cam had to say. Press pause, press pause. Who gives Chad Ochoa Cinco the right to give Madden rankings? He's been doing it for years now. I know. But how did he get chosen? He's not good at Madden. Oh, okay.

Here we go. Is this a 1v1? Has anybody seen Chad Ochoa Cinco play Madden? I know he's an avid gamer. I know he plays soccer. I don't give a man. Listen, man, he plays FIFA. Man, I ain't never seen Chad Ochoa Cinco play.

So is this all on 1v1? I don't even want to play it. Who's playing? Like, bro, I'm a big browser. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Mario. I don't even wanna play it. Who's playing? Like bro, I'm Big Browser. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Mario. See that's how folks say it. Like bro, you just can't start and just play me.

No, I'm looking down at y'all suckas. I'm looking down. You don't just get the right to play the great one. Are you serious? Do you know what these thumbs will do? Golden Thumb Productions. Golden Thumb Productions? Are you serious?

I've never seen Chad play. He not in the field for real. He's not. He's just an analytical guy. Damn. So I feel highly disrespected that EA hasn't reached out to me to really give ratings. Because you're in the field for real.

For real. OK. For real. Okay. For real. And we tough. And trust and believe man, we can put whatever on it. Ojo. What you at bro? Pick up the phone baby.

Hey. Ojo the phone yours. That ain't nothing but nonsense man. He talking about he in the field. So basically based on his logic, I can't give ratings because I'm not good at Madden. So let's say I'm great at football in general. When I played it, you hear me? I hear you. I'm listening.

It's one of the best all time. That's what that for gives me the credibility to give ratings. Now, I don't know nobody can't do it in no field when it comes to stick work. I've been gaming since 1984. I've been gaming since 1984. And this stick work is the kind of stick work that Cam don't do. I didn't know he was a gamer. I didn't know he played that. I didn't know so obviously whoever he think he is on the game, I don't know about it. I never seen him at a competition. And you know about everybody.

Yeah, everybody know. I play the game. Everybody know I do that. See, Cam, this is the thing with Cam Newton, you see? Cam Newton plays Madden recreational. He plays games in general for recreational purposes. Like, I game as a way of life to pay my fucking bills. See, that's different. Yeah, yeah, a big difference.

I'm on some other shit. But if he want to play, and we could put whatever on it, he talking spicy, we could put whatever he talking about on it. OK, that's what's up. And make it light on yourself. Cam, you looking for these type of problems? Yeah, Cam don't want no smoke, man.

Hey, Cam can't beat me at nothing. Matter of fact, if I was to back up in Carolina, I would have want no smoke, man. Hey, Cam can't beat me at nothing. Matter of fact, if I was a backup in Carolina, I would've took the motherfucking job. Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck. Ha, ha good at, you know who good at Madden? You know who I know about? I know about Dez Bryant. I know Dez is good at Madden. I know that, you know?

His prowess on the game. And listen, I've heard about it. So I ain't heard nothing about Cam. I ain't heard nothing about him. I know Dez Bryant know how to play. You know? Cause I remember Cam was challenging LeBron because I got to thank LeBron for having like a top thousand or top 500, top something ranking.

So I guess you get ranked. I don't know, listen, now you talking about somebody on the issue about Rick Madden. But I guess you get ranked, you get, I mean, you play long enough and you get good, you get ranked, don't you? Is that how it works? Hey, listen, I don't know, man. The man, listen, the man He he talking spicy, right? He could have picked up a phone to call me got my number. He could put up all be I'm

Matter of fact, I'm from the blocky now Like you coming out as you coming at a true gamer, you know, this is really do you do it for fun I do it as a way of life. We different. We ain't even the same lane when we talk about gaming, man. DJ, you game? I mess around a little bit, but I heard Cam Nunes like that though. I ain't gonna lie. You know who I really don't like that though? Durham James like that too. Yeah, Durham. Okay, that's another one. Durham is that boy on them sticks. Man, I ain't heard

nothing about no Cam being like that on them sticks. What are you talking about? Cam just probably, man, he want to wreck them dudes, man. He just really coming at you, man, God dang. Listen, listen, listen. Cam, if you wanna come over there with EA with me, how about let your boy, man, I'll run this show. You about to put a warning in for him, now, old joke. I got him, I got him, I got you, Cam.

Come on over there, baby. Come on. Man, y'all be taking that stuff serious for real though, huh? Hey, that's serious. That game in real. Hey, hey, Jack, Jack, all my relationships ended behind gaming. Oh, man, for real. I can see that. Hey, I'm serious. I'm telling you. Half the time you won't hear.

Oh, OK, you get off the game and get ready to get suited up. Exactly. Listen, one thing about a chat you got to understand, Jack, you got to understand. Listen, one thing about the chat, you got to understand, Jack, you got to understand. Listen, gaming is forever. For real talk. Relation, temporary. Man, for real. Gaming is forever. I heard you say that before too.

I heard you say that. Listen, hey, your game ain't gonna never wake up one morning and be like, you know what? You trippin'. No, I don't want to do this no more. The game will never do that. Hey, for real. It ain't always be the same every time and it always bring out this happy side of you. Always bring out this happy side of you no matter what. Oh. I don't know.

If they can't, I hope you watching boy. You got the right one boy. Stop playing with me man. Stop playing with my talk man. You know what? I think I'm going to start playing. I won't get good to beat the breaks off you Ocho. Who? I'll get my $59 playing. I'm gonna get good to beat the brakes off you, Ocho. I'll get my 5900 back like that then. I told you I'm gonna give you money, man. I'm gonna give you money.

I got you. No you not. No you not. No you not. Yeah, I'm gonna, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna start gaming, I'm gonna get good, and I'm gonna stream live when I beat you like 42 to seven. He said I'm gonna get.

42 to seven in what? Madden. You too. You can't even come on now. You can't. I ain't, I ain't, it's too soon. I'm gonna let that, I'm gonna let that. I ain't done played before, but I'm gonna get good.

I'm gonna get good. You don't know how to work technology, so you definitely can't. Hey, can I do voice command? Can I do voice commands? Nah, nah, ain't no voice command. We not that far advanced yet. Uh-uh, I'm gonna go talk to Zuckerberg. I'm gonna look at him and you got this AI, this metal.

I wanna be able to do my gaming. I wanna be able to talk to it. Who the hell? Nah. I would get good at it, I'm joking. No, I'm not. Cause I don't have that kind of time. Yeah, you got the time.

I don't have that kind of time. Hey, you got a time Hey, let me let me let me ask you about another thing DJ The Steelers run a random all the fourth most last year while Aaron Rodgers attempted the second most passes and Arthur Smith spoke about Marrying the run a heavy offense to the past happy quarterback We didn't bring Aaron here to sign DK for all that money to go run the wishbone DJ Now that they have you look the Steelers have always had a defense that could get after the quarterback. They kind of slacked off a little bit of that when they had Ben and AB and Le'Veon.

They were more of a pass happy offense and the defense kind of struggled. Seemingly they gotten back, they got TJ now, they got Highsmith and they got Minka and they got Porter Jr. on one side. So they got a really nice camp, Hayward, they got him. So they got a really nice defense. Now they got Aaron Rodgers, they signed DK.

Solid offensive line, I don't think it's great, but it's okay. Fryer Moose, they got Calvin Austin III, they got some decent receivers. What is your expectation of the Steelers this year? What's the ceiling for the Steelers? Can they win the division? Can they make a deep run in the playoffs?

Can they get to the Super Bowl? I mean, obviously Aaron Rodgers in my eyes, but he's, I'll put him as a top 10, 15 quarterback all the time in my book. So I think he's a guy obviously coming off the injury last year, or was that the year before? Whenever the year before whenever they had the year before the year before right in there obviously last year really didn't have the success We thought he would have um I think it's gonna be tough like you said the offensive line is really not um The strength of that team you know I'm saying obviously Aaron Rodgers. He's older now. What is he 39 40? He's 40 years old

Before the one that started a season yeah, you know I'm saying so I think obviously he can't be touched Aaron Rodgers, he's older now, is he 39, 40? He's 40 years old. He'd be 41 at the start of the season. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So I think obviously he can't be touched. He's not the young guy, right? He can't move like he used to move. So I just don't see, why would you go get rid of, what's my Peebles? Huh, the receiver?

Justin Fields? Nah, the receiver. Oh, you talking about, Oh, Pickens. Pickens. George Pickens, yeah, I don't understand. Why would you get rid of George Pickens if you had in hopes that you was going to sign to Aaron Rodgers?

So for me, I know you got DK Metcalf over there. I just don't honestly, I'm going to be real. So I don't see them winning this division right now. Not with my boy, L Jack, not with my twin L Jack over there in Baltimore. And I ain't going to lie, man. I think, I think my boy Shadour going to get in that starting job over there. I think, I think Cleveland going to be a little something this year too. So, and that division you got Cincinnati, you got rural, you got, you know, my boy

Ocho team over there, you got Jamar chase, you got T Higgins. I mean, it's some cop in that division over there, man. I don't think it's going to be that sweet for the dudes to win that. I can't write that off and say they going to win it this year. I can't. Ocho, what you thinking? They ran the ball the fourth most last year. Obviously Rogers wants to throw the football. He's always had success throwing the football. Ocho, what you thinking? They ran the ball the fourth most last year. Obviously, Rogers

wants to throw the football. He's always had success throwing the football. Obviously, like DJ said, not the success that probably he thought he would have or everybody had the expectations because he was supposed to be the missing ingredient for the Jets to take that next step. Obviously, it didn't pan out. They moved on after two years. What is your expectations for the Steelers? Well, listen, my expectations are for them to compete They're gonna compete not only the division but whatever their schedule may look like because they do have Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers is not the Aaron Rodgers of old but Aaron Rodgers is better than what you had on your on your team

Before he signed right before minicamp He gives him a chance to compete week in and week out as far as winning division That's that's not likely. The division winners will probably be either the Bengals or the Ravens. I'm going to be realistic here based on the record between us. I'm going to piggyback on what LeSean said, too. At some point, Joe Flacco will probably lose that starting job to Chidor, and his tenure in Cleveland will also start.

So outside of that, as many people that may hate Aaron Rodgers for the way he acts and for all the stuff he does off the field, some of the things he says on camera and some of the things he says on TV, he does give you a chance and he does give Steeler fans and that organization hope to compete week in and week out.

All right, D-Jack, thanks for joining us. Head Coach of the Delaware State. D-Jack, tell people how they can find you on social media. You got a YouTube page, you got IG, you got Twitter, Facebook. Let our fans know how they can find you. Yes, sir, man. I appreciate it, though.

Obviously, 101 is my Instagram, Sean Jackson. 10 at Twitter. Delaware State, underscore football as well, too. We gonna plug Delaware State in here, man. Everybody need to go out, too, man. Support that cause, man. here, man. Everybody need to go out too, man, support that cause. Man, I always thought, I mean October 30th, man, at the link, man, come through. We at Lincoln Financial, got my brother Michael Vick.

We gonna be first time, obviously you've seen us a lot, catching, throwing, catching touchdowns. Now we go head to head versus side line to side line in our old summer grounds, man. So come out October 30th, mark your calendars, man. We going at that thing, man. Let's get it. Yep.

That's the Sean Jackson DJ. I appreciate that. Best of luck, man. Stop back by when you have some time, bro. All right, man. Y'all keep doing your thing, man. Blessings. Bet.

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Hey, hey, uncle, it's gotta be. I mean, just think about it, Ocho. Just say you get a contract. Let's just say for the sake of argument. I get a good. I mean, just think about it, Ocho, just think, you get a contract. Let's just say for the sake of argument, I get a contract. I got a five year deal. I got a four year deal, the fifth year option, they can pick it up. So let's just say at my rookie year, I do something. Yeah.

Conjuring, detrimental, I get suspended, NFL, whatever, the NFL suspended me. Not only can they take the money back that first year, but year two, year three, year four, they get that guaranteed money too. Oh hell no. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Listen, as a player and in chat, y'all stay with me real quick.

I'm not sure, again, I asked this when we talked about it the other night. I asked when it comes to Stuart, what does his background look like? What has, what has he done in the past? What did the Bengals find out? Like we're gonna take a chance on this young, unknown as young kid, because he's a tremendous talent, but there must've been some red flags

that we don't know about. It has to be, because there's no reason that the Bengals are trying to set a precedent, all of a sudden, out the blue, with this individual, as good as he was in college, wanted you to, and you wanted the drafting this high. I'm not sure what it is. And if it's something that other teams, now, if it's something that other teams did, okay, I understand. I understand that. But the fact,

fact of the matter is with that fine language, don't allow it to default money from years down the road. Allow it to be a year to year thing. Like if you mess up this year as a rookie, well, all that guaranteed money your rookie year, boom thing. Like if you mess up this year as a rookie, with all that guaranteed money your rookie year, boom, young boy, you're not touching that. But all the money to come as guaranteed moving forward on later years, that's a no-no. As much as I love my bangles, I mean, I just don't see

and I don't understand what the issue is or why they're doing it. Well, the NFL should be able to to to fine. If a team gets fined for doing something, all the money, the money that you would get in subsequent years would go away. So that $425 million that you would get in 2026, if you had something that go wrong in 25,

you don't get 26, 27, or 28 money. Let one go for that. Right, exactly. So why do you expect players, why do you think because you're in an advantageous situation that you want to say well look take it or leave it. Hey take your ass back to the draft young man. I was just getting ready to ask you that huh. Yeah absolutely. Now can he opt out and go back into the draft again and be drafted by somebody else? That would be something that the players association would probably get the lawyers involved with the NFL. Because look, you go back and look,

normally what happens, Ocho, quarterbacks are different. But normally you look at what did the player get that was drafted in the same slot in 2024. And normally he gets a 10% raise. So let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, he got 20 million. 10%, that's 22 million. Okay, now you work on you work on

incentives and things like that. How much of the money is guaranteed because now you look at the top five top six guys their entire contracts are guaranteed. Yes sir. The entire contracts is guaranteed you get 25 30 million dollars sign-in bonus at the time and then you know you the rest of it so if it's a $43 million contract, you get a 30 million guaranteed. So you know you over the next four years, three, four years, you can get 13 million,

but you got your money. And so they prorated over the length of the contract, the signing bonus, they spread it out. The Bingo's doing this and I, Ocho, I get it. This is a mom and pop shop. Their dad, Paul Brown, left it to the son, Mike Brown, but Ocho, everybody got 300 to $325 million. That's before you sold anything, any tickets, that's any concession, any

parking pass, local TV, local radio, local sponsorship. So you go, the NFL cutting checks for between 300 and 350 million dollars before you do anything locally Yes, sir And you will try to hard time me too much you will take some money back if I do something in year one And you will take money from your two three four. Yeah, get the bleep out of here. Yeah It's this and this unfunc is this unfortunate. I don't get frustrated It's frustrating for me obviously being being a huge, huge bangle advocate, and always riding for my team, the ups, the downs, and us already having issues

on the defensive end and knowing that's what we need to focus all our attention on and having a player that you drafted so high and having these issues and having them not be a part of mandatory mini camp and him actually leaving. And there's an opportunity and maybe a chance that he can opt out and go back in and it just, it's, it's, it's a distraction. Interesting to see Ocho. How have they done this with other contracts? Well, listen, I told you, I told you it was a holdup, you know, I mean, a

little, a little birdie told me a birdie close enough that they had some wording and verbiage in Chase and T. Higgins contract that they held it up just a tad bit. You got, oh hell no, no, not us. So, so this was, this was lingering a little bit, but because they are who they are, they were able to get that, you know what, up out of there. So now we talk about a rookie who has yet to prove himself. You know, we got two that had already been proven. So, man, we not signing nothing until that's up about it there. So now we talk about a rookie who has yet to prove himself. You know, we got two that had already been proven.

So man, we not signing nothing until that's about it there. So now in this case, they ride with it. They ride with it. They trying to draw land in the sand. And so what that means, if they start, because here's the thing, I'm not gonna let you start the precedent with me. Because what you do, if you put it in that,

so in 2025, they put this in his contract. Guess what? All the rookies that signed with the Bengals moving forward is gonna have in their contract, their language. You're not gonna start that precedent with me. Yeah. It's not happening. No, it's unfortunate, man.

It's very frustrating, very frustrating. Okay, I don't know if you noticed this today, the new patches for the LA Chargers practice jerseys. We missed something? Oh, if a rookie do not sign their contract after being drafted, they can reenter the draft the following year. They can also choose to enter free agency

and potentially sign with another team if the draft team's right, them aren't traded. A player who doesn't sign can either choose to sit out a year or reenter the draft later. So he got leverage. He could become a free agent. What would you do? I ain't saying that I need money. I got a play I can't go back to college I ain't got no eligibility because if I could I go back to college and get an NIL deal but I'm going I'm gonna be a free agent because I'm sure Cincinnati was not the only team that had him high on their draft board. Right. Now, is it something like, is it something

like a, what do they call it? I think they used to do where you used to draft the guy in the summer. What do they call that draft? Supplemental draft. Supplemental. I don't think they have the supplemental draft anymore. But if you took somebody Bobby Humphrey got drafted in the supplemental draft in 1989 they took Steve Atwater first But they had a supplemental draft Bobby Humphrey went number one in the supplemental draft Which means the following year the Broncos didn't have a first-round draft pick So that's how the supplemental draft work If you took somebody whatever round you took him in that following year you lost that round of a draft pick

so you took somebody, whatever round you took him in that following of a year, you lost that round of a draft pick. So with Shemar, Amor, I'm sure others had him as a top, as a first round, had a first round grade on it. Right. Okay. Hey, what y'all got for your boy? I'm not sitting out on Joe, because like I said, I want money. Yeah. I need that.

I need that. Listen, we get the, I said, I want money. I need that, I need that. Listen, forget the, I mean the money part is obviously, but my childhood dream has finally come true. Yes. I would work all the obstacles. I overcame everything. I finally get drafted. Boom, mama, I made it.

Thank you. Now I get here, now that's another issue. Now that's another problem. Something that I can't avoid. It's the business side of things. It's the ugly side of things. I hate it. I know young bull wants to get out there and play.

Listen, I understand if he sits out, I understand if he, if he opts out to go back in the giraffe. I get it. I understand that he's frustrated. I'm sure his parents are frustrated. The agent probably frustrated and so are the fans. So listen, Joe spoke his piece, Joe spoke his piece, but one thing about it, if you know the Bengals,

if you know management, if you know ownership, you're not finna bully them. You're not finna make them do nothing they don't wanna do. You're not gonna set that precedent as if you. Joe. So. Oh I know, but that's kinda why the Bengals have been in that situation.

They wouldn't play boomer, they wouldn't play a lot of their good players and their good players left. That's kind of why they've been in the situation. Now you got an ideal situation. The last thing you want, Ocho, going into a season where you have so much hope and promise is distraction. Joe told you, the Trey Henderson is a distraction because you're not asking how we're getting better. You're asking what should they do?

I got to keep asking this. Now I got to ask, ask another question about my first round draft pick and them not getting paid and them trying to set a precedent that no other team is setting distraction, but the Bengals don't sleep, but here, that's the thing to Ocho because see there's really no benefit other than your, your ownership wanting pride, that's the only benefit of winning because guess what? Oh Joe whether you get whether you win the Philadelphia the Philadelphia Eagles got the same amount of money Who's the worst who picked first Oh Tennessee? They got the same revenue

Everybody got a check for 350. So tell me the incentive See we normally have an incentive because if prize money, old chou, you win the event, you get three million. You get second, you get two million, so forth and so on. But just imagine, would that be any incentive to win other than your pride? Okay, first prize get five million. Second prize, get five million.

Third prize, get five million. What incentive is that, old chou? So the Bengals really don't have any incentive to do anything because guess what? The NFL is gonna cut them a check for 350 million, just like they're gonna cut the Super Bowl champion or the last place team. And that's before they sell anything

or they have any event in the stadium. And so that's why I mean, it takes a special type. I mean, some ownership, clearly, Harry Roseman wants to win. Even though the 49ers haven't won. Hell, they go damn near all in every year. Stan Cronkite, the owner of the Rams, he wants to win. He damn near shoved chips in the middle of the table all year. If you notice, it's only the Bengals that do things like this, to haggle and try to penny-pinch bro

You getting a check for 350. Yeah 350 billion on Joe damn Hey listen, I Was frustrated where it's very frustrating because like you said the last thing that you want to have happen on Joe is to have it Why are we still talking about a rookie but not sign and here we are with damn it with damn in July We're going we go. Hey, we're going to training camp in a month. Yeah Yeah, training camp in a month And you and I got to deal with this bull dive

Ocho new patches for the LA Chargers practice Jersey show both personal and team achievement on East Jersey. This is the first form of professional, this is the first form of professional football team. Ocho, you like this? So okay, got captain, I can't read this. So what? Was that water, was that water and water bottles? Okay, yeah.

So you got like, you got a captain, so you got the captains, so you got a captain, and then you got a star for one year, two year, three, so forth and so on. And you got Pro Bowl, you got all Pro. If you got the franchise record, most passing yards of the season. Okay, Ocho, you had the record for the most receiving yards. You would have a patch. Now, I mean, that would be, you know what?

It's kind of like, I guess, look like NASCAR. You know NASCAR got all the damn patches on their fine suit. I mean this is strictly for practice, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it. You can put a patch on there if you have a sponsor, but they ain't in the feeling for you to let you put all those patches on there. Oh no, not without them monetizing and making some money off of it.

That ain't happening. But listen, I think it's dope. It's nice. Yeah, I like it. I do. It's no different than college. You know Ohio State Buckeyes, I think FSU, you know they get the Tomahawks and I think it's dope. It's nice. Yeah, I like it. I do. It's no different than college. You know, Ohio State Buckeyes, I think FSU, you know, they get the Tomahawks and I think-

Yeah, you remember how you used to hit the DK all day. You get a tackle, you got a big hitscore touchdown. And you know, hey, I need to bring my helmet because I had all the famous- You always filled up? Oh yeah, yeah, filled up. Yeah, we had skulls and crossbows. Right, right, right, right.

Yeah, we had skulls and crossbows on choke. Okay, okay. I mean, I think it's dope, it's cool, I'm cool. I mean, listen, it's, I don't think you really need to incentivize NFL players in reminding them, you know, their accolades and what they've done, what they've done to date. But if they feel having it on the Jersey in patches

is some type of a motivating tactic. I guess it's cool. Think about what you would do when coach say, Hey, we win this game. We ain't got to come in till Wednesday. But. I don't care. Yeah. Let me get Monday to Monday and Monday and Tuesday off. Man. Stop.

That joke was gone. Amen. Amen. Especially if you home. Yeah. Hey guys, try to catch a fight on Sunday night to go somewhere Yeah, oh hey, all right, hey have a good practice we off tomorrow, yeah, I'm like really do Really y'all gonna do this one. So y'all so in other words y'all been bull driving the other practices

But it's little things like that. Hey, we're gonna have a cookout. Because we always did things offense against the defense. It was always competition. Whether we bowl, we divided up teams and shot. And it was always, we always compete against each other. Right, right, right. And so I get it.

But I do like that, Ocho, I like that. I like it. It's dope, it's dope, it's dope. Something new. Yeah, it's but I like I do like that. Oh Joe. I like that. I like it. It's dope I'm just dope. He's dope something new. Yeah It's kind of like the all-star, you know all-star in basketball They started putting your accomplishment four-time league MVP finals MVP How many all-star teams you made how many all the NBA teams you made? So I like it You think other teams gonna adopt this Ocho? I

think they will. I mean I think they will. It all depends. You think about it when you look at the landscape of the NFL, there's only maybe three or four players that's gonna have patches on their stuff now. Because they did it with the Walter Payton. You remember Ocho, if you won the Walter Payton award, they put that decal on there. Yes, I do remember that. I do remember that. Absolutely. But I think other teams may adopt it. You know, some teams might not really care for it.

Or want to go to that extent of adding patches of accolades and what people have done. They do that at the Super Bowl now. You know how the guys come out there in the tracksuits on Tuesday? And for the thing, you see the MVPs and study Super Bowl? Yeah. So I like this. I like this. I can get behind it. Might be something new. Might be something new.

Oh, Joe! Left tackle. Trent Williams says his goal is to play into his 40s. He turns 37 in July. It's one of them things that where I'm going to do everything possible to play as long as I can and to put a good product on the foot... on football out there. And then, when it's going my way, then I'll know. I'm going to do everything possible to play as long as I can and to put a good product on the foot Football out there and then when it's going my way then I'll know but I could play until I'm 41 who knows But that's a goal of mine. I definitely not going to retire with some left in the tank. So in other words, he said hey

When the wheels fall off Hey call roadside assistant to drag my ass off the field. But until then I'm playing. That's it. And one thing that matters, someone like Trent, someone of Trent Williams caliber, as good as he is, can play well into his 40s. As long as you stay healthy. Long day to stay healthy.

That's all it comes down to. And he asked it, obviously, the older you get, the more technically sound you gotta be. The older you get, the more technically sound you gotta be. The older you get, the more technically sound you gotta be. Because them young bulls, you know them- They coming, they screaming out that edge, Ocho. They coming boy. Boy, they are coming as great as he is.

You gotta make sure that kick's there right now. You better be able to anchor down. So if anybody can do it, you can. The thing is now, Ocho, guys do a better job of taking care of themselves, regardless of position. And even though they might not have the most aesthetic bodies, guys take better care of themselves. Right. Guys take better care of themselves. They just do. Because I got into the league, guys were still smoking cigarettes.

I ain't gonna call no names, but God was still smoking cigarettes Hey, we get a break guys going to the car. They started outside the car. They're smoking Like I said the funny thing I see I saw Greg tiles at that the Raiders I mean we walking in the first game of the season we played on the road at the old Coliseum Man, I get I'll walk it out to walk into the locker room by the time I get there He's sitting outside on his helmet smoking I don't believe it. Oh Joe that do did I know guys? Yeah, we have very prominent guys on our team That's smoke, but not on Sunday. Yeah, hey, that's funny

You know that classic picture of a Lynn Dawson Yes, yeah, that's that's exactly how Town was sitting on his helmet smoking a cigarette. But you remember that picture, I think that picture's in black and white. I saw it with my own color eyes. That's funny man. It was wild back then. Like some of the stuff, it was wild back then. I heard the story, boy.

You got to tell me. Listen, I done sat at Twin Peaks with A.L.T. and I done got some good stories. I done got some real good stuff. Yeah, baby. I don't mean to be disrespectful, right? But when you played football, we used to fly Airlines, domestic,

was that during the time they could smoke cigarettes on the plane when you fly? Yes, yeah. Man, that's crazy. Yeah, you used to be at smoking restaurants. You had a smoking section and a non-smoking section. It's like, would you like to sit and smoke at a non? And a lot of people are like, well, what's first available?

But if you're at a restaurant, what is it about going? You might be back to back in a smoking section, do... Damn, that's... Yeah. You know, history always repeats itself, right? No, I don't think that would come back, Ocho. You don't think so know what, history always repeats itself, right? No, I don't think that will come back, Ocho. You don't think so?

Hell no, not smoking indoors, no. Now, if you go to the casino... Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For the club, you know, they make anything. They smoking cigars, cigarettes, weed, all in the club. That's what really stopped me from going to the club, Ocho. Why? Man, all that smoke, man!

You gotta hang your shirt up, in the shower and stuff. Okay,? Man, all that smoke, man. You gotta hang your shirt up in the shower and stuff. Okay, I understand what you're saying, man. I didn't know that would deter you from going to the club. Now, I don't- I don't like all that smoke. What deter me from going to the club? I don't like, Ocho, I can't stay up. I ain't no late.

I'm an early riser, so I need to be in. Hey, don't forget it. Now, your boy here's an early riser too. Now, understand what you gotta say. I take a nap during the day. I know I'm gonna want to do something Yeah, when I went to area 29, yeah, you had to do I had to do the show and I slept for five hours during the day Yeah, yes, okay Hey when I go to tootsies when I go to tootsies, you know, I got to give him a seafood rice and lobster tail

I take a nap during the day and the fact that I only go places where I can smoke my cigar if I can't smoke a cigar I'm not coming. I'm not coming. They don't even invite me Yeah, but I'm not like I said, but I've really never like I'm not I'm not really a go-out type of person I like to go out for it and I ain't really trying to I ain't trying to close the club down Right, right, right. right right. Last call for alcohol. Last call. Last. I ain't trying to be there. Right. I ain't trying to. Hey you still sitting on the stool of the man trying to move the stool out the way and try to clean up and you still there. Bro take your ass home. Hey the lights come on. I heard some funny stories like women look different.

Women look different. You know, you get a cup of drinks so you know some people that's really not attractive, they look a little different. You get a few drinks in you. They get them lights on and you get to see what you look like. And then you know, hey. What happens when you ain't got no alcohol in your system? Hey, wait, my homeboys say when the lights come on, that's the fourth quarter. You better give what you can. You better give what you can. Nah, I done lost this one. I'll take my chances next time.

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