Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: USA's EPIC comeback vs. Serbia + Gabby Thomas interview

Episode Date: August 9, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are joined by 200-meter gold medalist Gabby Thomas! Unc and Ocho ask her about USA's rivalry with Jamaica and whether or not she wants to join the 4x400 squad. Also, Unc and Ocho react to LeBron James, Steph Curry and Team USA advancing to the gold medal match vs. France after an electric comeback victory over Nikola Jokic and Serbia, Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone breaking her own 400-meter hurdle world record, Grant Holloway winning the 110-meter hurdles, Noah Lyles finishing third in the 200 meters despite testing positive for COVID-19.03:40 - Show Starts05:10 - USA Basketball beats Serbia to advance to Gold Medal game18:54 - Sydney Mclaughlin breaks WR in 400m Hurdles31:10 - Grant Holloway wins 110m Gold37:08 - Tebogo wins Gold in the 200m45:48 - Gabby Thomas Intv(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We make sure we're going to try to have current and former athletes to break down some of the Olympics. And ladies, do we have a great interview for you later today? Gabby Thomas, stop by. But first, Ocho, I've been trying to tell you. I said, Ocho, Serbia is going to be their toughest task. I said, what happens if they hit 23s? They were on pace.

They hit 15. That was 15 to 30. Going into the board quarter, they went 0 for 9. And the U.S. team, man, they tightened it down. There was a reason. Only three guys received an invitation without trying out. LeBron James, Steph Curry and Kevin Durant

the committee said if you guys want to play you can be on the team no questions asked, no trials, no anything and if you look at that fourth quarter you look at what LeBron did Steph Curry was sensational, was great, was amazing

Chef Steph, whatever you want to call him for the entirety of the game Kevin Durant You look at what LeBron did. Steph Curry was sensational, was great, was amazing. Chef Steph, whatever you want to call him, for the entirety of the game. Kevin Durant. And then you got Joel Embiid, who had his best game by far. Crazy. Crazy work. Now the U.S. will face France in the gold medal round. They trail by as many as 17, trail by as many as 13 points entering into the fourth quarter. Ocho, I know you were like,

damn, Unk was right again. Listen, I was watching. I was watching in the beginning and I'm watching the game. I'm like, I remember Unk saying, well, in order for Serbia to have a chance to win, they got to be efficient. They got to hit their threes and hit their shots. And I'm

watching the game. I'm like, ain't no way in hell based on what I saw in the first half. They're not going to be able to be efficient. They got to hit their threes and hit their shots. And I'm watching the game. I'm like, ain't no way in hell based on what I saw in the first half. They not finna be able to keep up this volume of shooting and making all these shots. If I'm not mistaken, it looked like they went, might have been nine for nine, seven, maybe five, whatever it might have been. And Curry kept answering back.

I was like, I'm looking like, man, USA boy, y'all scaring me now. Y'all scaring me because I've been talking trash. I've been talking trash. And it got to a point now. I don't mean to skip from the first quarter all the way to the end of the game. It got to the point I seen people rumbling. Why Jason Tatum not in?

Why Jason Tatum not playing? And bead balling, Curry balling, LeBron doing what he's doing Would not be denied And all of a sudden I'm like Ain't no way in hell These boys listen to Steve Curry Steve Curry ain't running them plays Man them boys playing AAU ball

I tell you I swear for God I guarantee you If you talk to KD You talk to Steph Or you talk to LeBron Them boys started doing

Their own thing towards the end And say you know what We gotta win this Them boys were playing their own thing towards the end and say, you know what, we got to win this. Them boys were playing AAU ball. Hot man get the ball. Well, they buckled down. Well, Steph Curry was pretty much hot and he needed this game because Steph hadn't shot the ball well and he definitely hadn't shot the three ball well.

So they really needed him to play like he played today in today's game. LeBron has been LeBron. Lebron has been incredibly efficient he's shooting over 60 from the floor he's doing a great job of facilitating we know he's a great passer of the ball and he's doing an outstanding job of rebounding the ball kevin duran is kevin duran he had that one game when it was you know he got hot in the first you know made all his threes and the game was still closer than I thought it should have been. Kevin Durant is Kevin Durant.

But Joel Embiid, in the fourth quarter, he was sensational. And you look at the way they played Ocho, you look at Kevin Durant get down on the defensive stand. You look at Devin Booker get down on the defensive stand. LeBron James says, hey, let me bang with you for a little while, Embiid. You take a guy, hey, he ain't no threat outside, but let me bang with him. Hey, we'll switch off here and there, but for the most part, let me bang. Steph in a defensive stance.

They knew this was going to be the upset of upsets. This is not 2004 where they sent a young LeBron, a young D. Wade, a team that was hodgepodge. A lot of pieces, talented players, but pieces that didn't fit. Right. You cannot lose with LeBron, with Steph, with KD, with all the Joel Embiid, all these guys. Man, Ocho, they clamped it down. What did they score in the fourth quarter?

The US outscored them 32-15 in the fourth quarter. And they needed it. Hey, that was too close for comfort. Yeah. That was too close for comfort. And Serbia came out, man. They came out looking so good, man. I don't know how to pronounce Young Bull's last name, right?

Who was making fun of, who went to Melello when he hit the three and he did Mello things to the... Bogdan Bogdanovich. Boy, listen, them boys from behind that arc, boy, them boys were looking good. But I'm like, man, them Serbians ain't coming to play. So I'm nervous. I've been talking trash on here.

I got people sending me, you know what, if USA lose, I'm going to blame Ocho. He jinxed us. I'm like, come on, man. What I got to do with that? Everybody else cheering for us, too. But that was a good game. It just, that scare is, don't do that.

But that's what happens, Ocho. I mean, you're talking about one game. Team get hot from behind the three. You fall behind. The basket gets bigger. The ball gets smaller. It goes into the... All of a sudden, you're looking around like, damn. Damn. Damn.

When you look at it from a matchup standpoint, Serbia, I think they matched up very well with us. Obviously, the way they played, obviously, they shot great from mid-range. They shot great from three. How does France match up? Do you see France as an easier matchup

as opposed to Serbia? Well, here's the thing. Wimby is the neutralizer because Wimby, you can stand in the lane as long as you want to. Ain't no three seconds. You can go attend the ball. You can knock the ball off the rim and so he can do a lot of that. I think the thing is that and they haven't been playing rudy gobert a whole lot i think he only played five minutes maybe another game the game before that he played three minutes

so he's a liability on defense he's a liability i mean offense he's a liability but hey that's neither here nor there but right and this juncture, damn your feelings. We're trying to win gold. So I understand, Rudy Gobert, you are what, three, four-time defensive player of the year? You got this big contract. I understand, Jason Tatum, you signed the biggest contract in NBA history. You just won a championship. You own a cover of 2K.

You just own a cover, you know, Sports Illustrated. We're on the cover of 2K. You're just on the cover of Sports Illustrated. We're trying to win now. You've got a long playing while to get over your feelings. We're trying to win this gold. And that's what it comes down to. And Steve Kerr, we're the guys that, here are the guys that have been in more big

moments than anybody. Especially the big three. Now, Book has played in the NBA Finals. Joel Embiid has never been there. But you needed that presence because like you said, there's no three seconds. So what did Joel Embiid do?

Go bank his butt down that side? I said, hey, do what you do in the NBA. Do in the NBA. Go down inside and make him foul you. Or lay the ball up in the basket. That's what he did. Book didn't have the shot going outside. He was only 2-4.

He only took four shots. I mean, the U.S. shot 57% from the floor. They shot 50% from the three. Has Steph Curry not been Steph Curry in the first half? And in the beginning? Oh, it wouldn't have been. They would have lost. He kept them attacked.

Because they could always see the tail light they were never able to run and hide and so now and I was like dang they get to six and the next thing you know it's 15 it's 13 15 yeah but I believe the play of the game Ocho

they were down like 10 Kevin Durant hit a three, and then they get a flagrant on Jokic for running over AD and pushing him into Kevin Durant. Now we got three, and then Book comes and hit a three.

So that's a six-point swing right there. Yeah, put it back. Now right back in love again. And, you know, LeBron, I think LeBron, you you know dipped his shoulder got a fade away uh he drove the basket kevin durant you know but steph was the one that when steph came off that screen and he shot it the three and i like damn it popped up as a oh yeah get you get in there and when he get and when he got in there and when he got in there I was like okay

we gotta leave a little breathing room but LeBron came down he found Kevin Durant and Kevin Durant hit a little what like a 15 foot jumper gave him some breathing room and then they filed Steph and then Steph that was the end of it

that was all she wrote but they needed I mean you need Ocho you do know yeah this was going to be if steph curry lebron and kevin and rance known not on this team you do know they're not us not winning gold oh yeah yeah you can see it you can see it you can see it well hold on how about this now that you say that you think about how even without the experience let's say you take steph you take brown you take katie out and you replace them with some some of the bench three of your best players on the bench you don't think they win gold still you know lebron james played 32 minutes steph curry played 33 minutes kevin

off the bench played 24 minutes yes sir nobody else off the bench played more than 13 that's ant-man derrick white played seven ad played 10 bam played 10 holiday played 20 so they're big guns lebron james 32 minutes joe ellen b 27 minutes devin booker 24 minutes steph curry 33 minutes kevin durant 24 minutes not but do you do you understand what i was asking now i was hypothetically speaking if they weren't if they weren't, if they weren't here, and you were to take KD, Steph, and LeBron out, let's say they weren't here. Is there

anybody from the bench that can fill in for the production that they have or that they bring to the table? No. Because ain't nobody shooting the three. Who's going to shoot the three to keep them attached? Because now, if Steph Curry's not hot in the first half, that's a 25,

30 point lead. The game's over. He kept him attached. Yeah. He kept it a 13 point, a 15 point lead. That thing was teetering about to go to 25, 30.

Yeah. Quick. Yes. Yes. No, no. I'm just, I'm just curious. I'm just curious.

I'm just curious. And the thing is, everybody's so efficient. Steph shot the most. He shot 19 shots. 14 of them were threes. He was 9 of 14. They needed every shot.

They needed every shot. He was hitting them things. Hey, hold on. Did you see the one at the corner? Oh, yeah. When he turned around? When he shot it by the bench and he turned around

before the ball even went in? I already know it's good. Yes, sir. So, I mean, they only had 10 turnovers. They didn't turn the ball. I mean, LeBron had two. Embiid had three.

Holiday had one. Curry had two. And Ant-Man had two. So they didn't have a whole lot of turnovers. They had, what, 25 assists, 10 turnovers. You can live with that. Yeah, but off those turnovers, how many were points? Well, but that's the thing.

Because a lot of times, Ocho, what happens, if you turn the ball over, you don't even give you a chance. You don't even get the ball a shot up. And now you allow the other team to run out on you. Right. So, but congratulations to the men's team. They win a thriller over Serbia. Fight their way into the gold medal game against France.

The U.S. win 95-91. Outscored the Serbians 32-15, holding the 0-9 from the from the three point line and I believe that was the difference in the ball game great fault hard fault victory this is what you want to be in these close games like this because the last thing you want to do is be in the gold medal match and haven't had anything close

they know now how you deal with adversity right how you deal with adversity. Right. How you respond to adversity. And they responded real well. They will never... They will not underestimate French. The French team.

Because they're in France. So you know that thing's going to be ruckus. Rally. Oh, yeah. But they don't have no shooters like Serbia got. Nah, they got no shooters.

They got Wembley. They got Ford. They got a couple of guys that can put the ball in. But Ocho, they've played together for so long. So long. Yeah. They know each other. That's the advantage. I mean, think about it. This team been together less than a month. Yeah. Yeah, I know what you can do, but I've got to figure out where you want the ball where you need the

ball how do we get hey they know back cuts and picks and things like that and sometimes i think the u.s overpassed the ball trying to do too much but hey right currency i'm riding my guns say what y'all want to say yeah we'll discuss we'll discuss this later but i love i love i love the way the u.s team played ocho and uh they win this ball. But I love the way the U.S. team played, Ocho. And they won this ballgame, shoot 57% from the floor, 50% from the three. They need to do a better job from the free throw line because they only shot 64% from the free throw line.

But they hold off a valued effort. The Serbs wanted this. Oh, they were hurt. You could tell. Because they wanted to brag. They wanted to go on and be on their network and say, we beat the big, bad Americans. But you would have to wait another four years

for that to happen. Yeah. And when that four years come, they still ain't going to win. They still ain't going to win. So congratulations, USD. Ocho. Yo. Sidney.

McLaughlin. I told you. Leveroni. I told you. Wins gold in the 400 hurdles. With a new world record, it's the sixth time she's broken the world record since 2021. A new world record, 50.37. She's the first woman to ever repeat as the Olympic champ in the 400-meter hurdles. Only Glenn Davis.

No, you don't know who that is, Ocho, but anyway. Only Glenn Davis. I was there with't know who that is, but anyway, only Glenn Davis. I was there with Glenn Rand. Go ahead. What consecutive goals in the men's side. 1956 in Melbourne. 1960 in Rome. And then you had Edwin Moses, the great Morehouse grad. He won in

76 in Montreal. We boycotted Moscow in 80. And then in 84 in LA, he won. And then I think he won a bronze medal too in Montreal. We boycotted Moscow in 80. In 84. And then in 84 in LA, he won. And then I think he won a bronze medal too in Seoul, didn't he? I think he got two goals in a bronze. But he was going to be heavy favorite. But you never know. Hey, the favorites don't always win.

But if I'm not mistaken, Ash, I think he got a bronze. He might have got a bronze in Seoul. Okay. I didn't know i i didn't know i didn't know i asked about you about you knew you knew he got him i didn't know i didn't know i didn't know i thought he did though but he's regarded as the greatest burdler because oh joe this joker went who went 10 years and never got beat. Over 110 races and never lost the finals. So, I'm trying to think who finally beat it. Was it Andre Phillips or Kevin Young?

They didn't cover track like we do now. You know, you go on Peacock and they got the Diamond League. But the only thing that you... Huh? Yeah. Andre Phillips. Ocho.

I'm sorry, Ocho. I'm sorry, Ocho. I didn't mean to say Andre Phillips was the one that broke his streak. I'm sorry, Ocho. But anyway, they didn't cover it like they do now, Ocho. Right, right, right. The Olympics was always covered heavily. Even the World Championship wasn't covered like we cover them now. And so, you know,

you had to like pick and choose. I mean, you might read, you might get a glimpse. And obviously the American athletes, you know, especially like Edwin Moses or Carl Lewis, people that did things like that, they talked about them.

But for the most part, it didn't get covered. But I'm not surprised by this. I've been trying to tell people they keep trying to make this a rival. It's not a rival. Femme Cabal has never beaten Sydney

McLaughlin-Leveroni. Because, Ocho, when you look at it, name something that she does better than see it. She doesn't have the strength. Sydney is a sub-49, 400-meter runner. She doesn't have the foot speed either. She doesn't have the foot speed.

Sydney. And the indoor season, she runs 60 meter hurdles. She'll run that. She'll run that. She'll run the shorter hurdles, the hundred meter hurdles. So she's working on technique.

So you don't have the, you don't have the strength. You don't have the foot speed. You don't have the technique. So how do you beat her? But today you don't, the moment got too big for it oh joe i heard did you hear a press conference she said i can't explain it it was

a bad day but the lactic acid at three at 300 meters in at at when i got to when i got to about 300 meters so 100 meters into the race oh joe she said i felt the lactic acid already build up that's pressure that's nerves that's pressure. That's nerves. That's nerves. Yeah, that's nerves. You got to stay relaxed. Again, I'm not sure if she's one that's not used to the big moment, but see it as used to

those big moments. She's used to it. At the end of the day, it's still just a race where you can block out the point, the fact that I'm representing my country. You can block out the fact that I'm at the biggest stage. Block out the fact that I'm at the Olympics.

It's just another race. And that's the hard part to do. Yeah, you can say that. It's the hard part to do. That's what people say about the Super Bowl. Oh, it's just another. So why are there 70,000 people already in the stands?

And it's two hours before the game. It ain't like that. Right. Why are all these people on the sidelines? Why is Denzel Washington, why are all these famous people standing on the sidelines when it's not like that before? Oh, and you know what? We've never

gone on the road for a week before I've been on the location for a week. We normally go in that Saturday to get there around 3, 34 o'clock, Ocho, and we back after. We've get there around 3.30, 4 o'clock, Ocho, and we back after. We've been here a week. Man, Sid laid down a blistering time. Unbelievable.

We're going to talk about it. We talked to Mike about this. Look, no Bobby Kersey. I don't know him personally, but I know a lot of the guys that he trained. I know how he thinks. Bobby wants, he wants his athletes to leave legacies. And could it be a possibility she do both at the

next Worlds in 2025? Would she run the 400 hurdles and the 400? Or does she bypass it and say, okay, I'm going to do the Worlds. I'm going to run the whirls I'm going to run the hurdle I'm going to try to get this thing even lower

maybe even 50.10 or maybe even sub 50 and then for 28 I'm going to contest the open four she's only 24 years of age so even at 28 she'll still be in her prime and if she stays healthy and you know Bobby Kersey

Bobby Kersey you got bobby cursey who trains you got john smith his crew trains tanya buford bailey who trains a lot of females out dennis mitchell who trains this new group but knowing bobby the way that i've known him and studied his athletes bobby likes a challenge bobby's like when you talk about my athletes you talk about what they did, what they've done. Nobody else has ever done it. And, you know, when we talked to Michael, Michael says nobody had ever even thought about doing it on the men's side until I did it. Nobody's even come.

I mean, the kahunas that you got to have to even put Ocho, the four and the two in the same Olympics. That's crazy. We've seen guys and gals drop down their 400 meters. We see Sharika Jackson. She was a 400 meter. She got a bronze medal in the world's one year. We see Fred Curley. He was a 400 meter guy.

He dropped down. But to do both? Yeah. And that's Fred double. It's really hard. Anna Cockrell, she got the, uh,

the silver. In the six years since signing an eye-popping seven-figure deal with New Balance in 2018, she's racked up 10 major championships. That's Sidney,

McLaughlin, Lebroni. She's won four U.S. championships, three worlds. Now, three Olympic goals. She will run on the women's four-by-four. championships, three Worlds, now three Olympic goals. She will run on the women's 4x4. So, well, hey, she about to get another one.

And I told you. That's crazy. Did you see that blistering leg? Bro, I saw Femke got tied up at the mix last year when that girl tied up. Yeah. Y'all actually thought that if they got the baton at the mix last year when that girl tied up. Yeah. Y'all actually thought that she was, if they got the baton

at the same time, y'all actually thought Femme Cabal could run with Sid? I mean, I don't think anybody thought that, but they keep trying to make it a rivalry because they need somebody

because Sia continues to dominate. She continues to dominate year in and year out at every competition, at every event. So they're trying to create a narrative that that is a rival of hers because obviously she's good but it just it's just not that and i don't think there's anyone who's going to challenge it unless someone just comes out of

nowhere that we don't know about yet that's um we that's that's a young uh what's the word a young prodigy. Prodigy, you're right. But here's the thing, though. We've never seen anybody that have this kind of combination. Oh, no. The raw foot speed, the strength, and the technique. And the endurance to that as well. But you see what she did? She started running fours.

Yeah. Bobby would make, hey, you're going to run to 100. You're going to run to 200 to work on your foot speed. No, you know what? We're going to put you in 60 hurdles. Bobby will make his,

he will make him put his athletes in situations where they're uncomfortable. Right. So now, when the moment arrives, normally, that's one thing you can say

about Bobby Kersey's athletes. Normally, they perform very well unless they're injured. And a lot of times, if they're even're even Nick Bobby ain't fooling with him. He that that's, that's, that's a rarity for Bob. If you're, if his athletes are,

he don't care if it's a world, he don't care how big he says it's not worth the risk. I don't, I'm not doing that. So I have the utmost respect. Uh, Quincy Watts. Uh,

he's another trainer. He trains, uh, Michael Norman. He trains, uh, Rob Benjamin. So I have the utmost respect. Quincy Watts, he's another trainer. He trains Michael Norman. He trains Rob Benjamin. So I think Fred Curley is in that group out there too. I don't know if he directly worked with Fred. But you look at Sid, obviously unprecedented.

Now remember, Ocho, she didn't even contest the Worlds last year. That's why Femmebo won that world championship. Sia didn't contest it. She will have no world title if Sia contests that. Sia is about to be four. Four world championships, two Olympic goals, broke the world record. It's my record.

I broke it. Right. It's mine. It's going to be three goals, but go ahead. Oh, yeah. She's going to run a leg. She's definitely going to run a leg on there but I'm impressed by this she's very very impressive remember she made the

Olympic team what 17 yeah but you can see that's crazy and congratulations Sid we got a little something coming for your weight damn man my pockets how much I'm down now Ash Uh, we got a little something coming for your weight. Damn, man, my pockets.

How much I'm down now, Ash? How much we down? Hey, listen. Hey, let me tell you what God said now. Don't forget what it said in the Bible. God loves a cheerful giver. Whatever thee giveth, thee come back tenfoldeth. Hey, don't forget that.

Is that what he's saying? I don't know what he's... Yeah. Whatever. God loves a cheerful giver. All right? And what we're doing now, we're paying our tithes. And you know what happens

when you pay your tithes? He allows the cup to runneth over after that. So don't worry about it. Whatever we done had to pay for these three weeks, these Olympics, we gonna get back tenfold. I'm telling you. My cup

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In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see. Muhammad Ali was never afraid to express himself loudly and boldly

and stays true to form in Ali and Me, an eight-part Audible original. Guided by his own words, this series explores Ali's life and legacy through never-before-heard audio recordings and discussions with those who knew him best. Muhammad had this real sense of his own personal values and principles, things he believed in, his own sense of conviction, those convictions never wavered. Hosted by Muhammad's wife, Lani Ali, and his close friend, award-winning broadcaster, John Ramsey, Ali and Me goes beyond the boxing ring to delve deeply into Ali's extraordinary life

through conversations with Billy Crystal, Mike Tyson, Rosie Perez, Common, Will Smith, and Bob Costas. It created a North Star for me of how I want to be in the world, you know. As a child, as a young person, he gave credence to my audacity. There's no debate that this is

the greatest global sports figure of our lifetime. Listen to Ali and Me, now on Audible. Grant Holloway wins the gold in the 110 meter hurdles. Holloway is the first American to win the 100 meter hurdle gold since Aries Merritt, the world

record holder with 12.80 in London in 2012. He's followed by American Daniel Roberts in second, taking the silver. Freddie Crandon ranked fourth in the world, couldn't complete the podium sweep. He finished sixth. He was

a nursing abductor injury, and he even jogged over the heat and said, I'm going to take my chances. So he kind of got injured in between the trials and leading coming in. Rasheed Broadbale of Jamaica took the bronze. Who

was that? Noah Lyles won by what? Five thousandths of a second? Daniel Roberts beat Broadbale by three thousandths of a second. Holloway led from start to finish you know he's got a tremendous start and he wins in a time of 12.99 Lushong

of China still holds the Olympic record so congratulations Grant Holloway I think he's a little upset I think he wants more sponsorships he says I don't have a watch deal I don't know who goes into track and field. Track and field is not

a sport like football. It's not a sport like basketball. Baseball is not one of these major sports. Unless you're Usain Bolt, there have only been a handful of... I'm talking about America. Now, I don't know what the international... I don't know what they get. I don't know what Carson Warhol makes, and I don't know. I'm just talking about America. Now, I don't know what the international, I don't know what they get. I don't know what Carson

Warhol make, and I don't know, but I'm just talking about both. I know Carl Lewis, what he got paid. Carl Lewis was kind of like Usain, got the big dollars to go to the meet, show up at the meet. Michael Johnson, but Usain is a different animal.

So, unless you're Usain, the likelihood of those big, big dollars coming... Yeah. But I think it is possible, though. It's possible to get the big dollars and run track, but you have to be a personality. You have to force yourself or be able to force the people to want to see

what's going to happen. You have to have some type of, some type of personality about yourself that it makes those companies want to pay because they know when you get ready,

when you get ready to run, the visibility of their product is going to be seen on you. You get what I'm trying to say? Yeah. So you can't just be someone that wins all the time because that does nothing. But when you add the personality and this type of aura where everyone has to gravitate towards you, even a little bit of trash talk, I think it's kind of frowned upon when it comes to track though but um you once you add that personality to anything that you do and you're good at it oh joe sky's the limit sky's the limit after that sponsors like who they like see it doesn't say a word you watch see it she's stone faced when she walks on the track

yes yes you're right it's different carl lewis didn't do anything michael johnson didn't do anything sponsors like who they like oh joe we can't we can't we think we do a great job at what we do i think we do i think we put i think we create great content i think we have great graphics we do a great we do we do we spend a lot of money on graphics and editors and social media. There ain't no lack. But I can't get mad if sponsors wants to spend with Joe Rogan and not us. I can't get mad because they want to spend with New Heights and not us. Or Bustin' with the Boys or Who's Your Daddy?

We just got a career content and then hope sponsors like, okay, wow, they got a big following. People know who Nightcap is. They know Club Shea shea they like oh they like ocho we think there's a way that we can come together and make something happen right i mean but but if you got if you got in the track and field think you was gonna make lebron james money? Or you go make Patrick Mahomes money? You saying it was not only... You saying won three Olympic... First of all, there hadn't been a whole lot of men

to repeat the double. He tripled the double. He broke the world record. He broke the world record again. He broke the world record in the 200. He lowered it again. He ran time.

They said at some point in time, the human body can't run that fast. He went sub 9.7. He went sub 9.6. Yeah, but you got to understand, not only was he winning, he was a huge personality that everybody wanted to watch. When you add that other dynamic to outside of just winning, I don't care if you was a goddamn steeplechase or what's the walk, what's the walk, what's the one that do this? Or a racewalking.

Yeah, if you was a racewalker, if you're a racewalker and you got some type of personality and you add that dynamic to you winning, oh, they coming. They coming. Ocho. But think about it. His last name is Boat. He's faster than Ocho. Yeah, he just made sense. Hey,

everything align and you run track. Your last name is Boat and you run track and you're fast. What are we going to do with that old show? Yeah, you're right. You're right. The old saying, we say, boy, that boy faster than lightning. This man's name, his actual name is Usain Boat.

Lightning Boat. Right. Yeah. Everything. Sometimes the stars align. Align. Yeah. They were.

They were. Ocho. Let's see. I think I'm pronouncing this right. Let's see. Tobogo. Wins gold in the 200 meters final with a time of 1946. I believe, had he not celebrated,

that is a sub-19-4 run. Yeah. Oh, you saw him put up and do this? He celebrated. He's the first Botswanan to win gold in Olympics history? He's the first Botswanan? Wow.

Kenny Beneric took silver. Noah Lyles took bronze. To Bogo, he lost his mom about three, four months ago. If you look at the side of his shoe, I think it had 12, 23, 80. That was the day. That was the birth date of his mom. So she couldn't have been more than 44, 43. Maybe she hadn't had a birthday yet.

So she was 43 years of age. LeSele is 21, if I'm not mistaken. So she was fairly young. And it meant a lot to him. What gave me pause that Noah could pull this off is that I saw this young man run low 44 in the open four. So that tells me he's strong. I don't know if you missed,

I don't know if y'all missed it, but he missed the podium. He ran 9.8. So he has the speed. And if you go back and study, there was a time I think Noah Lyles ran like a 1950. He ran 1957, 1954, 56, something like that so okay he's been running 400 meters building up his strength he has the foot speed he ran 98 983 984 something

like that so he has the foot speed now he has the strength to carry that and he's running. Mom was pushing him, Mocho. Yeah. Yeah, she had her hands in his back. She said, I got you today, son. Yeah. Oh, man. Hey.

He ran a beautiful race. Listen, from start to finish, every phase, every transition that happens when you come out of those blocks, he did to a T. He did it to a T. He got out beautifully. And the fact that he had such a lead by the time they got about 110, 120 meters, it was a wrap. Yeah. You can tell. It was a wrap.

Because nobody was catching him. He had Kenny Benerick. Kenny Benerick, he run sub wrap. Yeah. You can tell. It was a wrap. Because nobody was catching him. He had Kenny Benerick. Kenny Benerick is running, he runs sub-19.6. Yeah. He had him in front of him. So I got something to look at. Yeah.

I just thought that was a lot of distance. Coming off the curve. Coming off the curve. I thought that was a lot of distance for Noah because you got to spend a lot of energy. Because Tobago is not a slowpoke. No, no, no. And he has endurance.

He has strength to hold it. Matter of fact, when I think about it, when I watch the race on and I'm not going to use the excuse about Noah being sick or having COVID. Forget all that.

I think maybe it affected him, but he had so much come out of him when he ran at 100 if he was the witness 200 today i think he would have had to come out them damn blocks and catch the stagger coming off the curve they would have had to be even i think they would have had to be even and not him having to come off the curve and then think down the straightaway, okay, you know what? I'm going to catch people like I do in the 100 on the ladder back half. When you can't because you done gave him too much goddamn ground coming off the curve.

Yeah. You're not running against nobody slow. You're running against somebody that can maintain their speed as they go. Let's just say for the sake of argument no allows is healthy and tobogo is running like he did today well they're both gonna be in the low 19 threes yes sir they're both gonna be in the 19 three we're gonna see something extremely special i'm just because like i said i understand you, COVID, I guess it affects your lungs and your ability to oxygenate, bring in oxygen, get out, you know, carbon dioxide. I don't, I'm not.

Did you, did you, did you have COVID? I've never had it. I've never had it. No, I never had it either. But I mean, those that I know that are around me, I asked them when, during that time, how it made you feel. It made you feel weak. Yeah.

It made me feel weak. You had to drink a lot of fluids so understanding that he had the symptoms of covid and then you were able to come out there and run and steal bronze knowing what it does to the body i mean i mean commendable steel commendable steel to get bronze knowing that you just tested positive for covid you know two days before that i mean no excuse but excuse, but it is what it is. But we've all had upper respiratory. And you know what it's like when you have an upper respiratory. It's hard.

And trying to play football. I've tried to play football with those, man. It ain't easy. And I can just imagine trying to run. You can barely breathe. Barely. Barely breathe. And I'm in Denver, which exactly.

That altitude is even worse. Making it worse. But let's give, let's see Leiton Bogo, his flowers. He won. I think they got a silver medal a couple of years ago with Rhodesia. Maybe that was 2012. Was that 2012? When Rhodesia broke the world record at 800 from Kenya.

And I think they have a young Botswana um right that got the silver okay i like it they had 12 athletes they got nothing in beijing they got a silver this is boswana olympic oh uh they got a uh 800 meter runner oh he got a silver. Okay, London. Okay. Hey, Mo. My daughter say she watching. Hey, baby. Hey, Mo, how you doing? Yeah, Mo, you raced me too. You beat your daddy.

You can make you some money too. So, Ocho, they've won a grand total of three medals. They've got a silver, a bronze, and now they got Botswana. Botswana, okay. But what events, though? I know, well, obviously they just won the 200 meters.

If I'm not mistaken, I think they got a silver in the London game in the 800 meters. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. I like it. And he was young too 21 oh wait in the London games yeah that was

what you call him right he's Botswana yeah Ike McQuala they have another 400 meter guy that's really good I don't think he meddled in anything like that. Right. Yeah, the 4x4. Yeah, they have a nice relay team.

But Tobogo ain't to be played with. He like that. No, he's really, really like that. So, yeah, I understand. You've, this was an upset because Noah Lyles, he's a three-time. He was the three-time defending world champ. He was running some of his best. We've seen him run down Kenny Benerick at the trials.

We've seen him run down Arian Knighton. We've seen him beat Tobogo head-to-head head uh but today it just wasn't meant to be let's see tobogo gold in the 200 kenny benerick silver no allows bronze arian knighton missed this podium again with the uh got a fourth he just missed the podium he um no allows revealed after the race, he tested positive for COVID, telling NBC he was feeling really, really horrible, but he never considered dropping out of the field. He's trying to win sports first Olympic double in the 100 and 200 since Usain Bolt did it three times in a row

in Beijing, London, and Rio. The first American since Carl to do it in 1984. Ain't a whole lot of women that's done it. Ain't a whole lot of men that's done it. Ain't a whole lot of men that's done it. Ain't a whole lot of women that's done it. It's difficult. You know how much energy you are exerting

when you have to win one race, then to come back and do it again, then you got to qualify. That's eight. That's a lot on the body, man. It is. It is. It is absolute let's see lay

okay ocho now it's time for we had a very special guest this morning on oh yeah ladies and gentlemen you're gonna love this she is unbelievable trust me uh i've seen some of her interviews, but to get an opportunity for Ocho and I to interview her, she's unbelievable. Here as I sit down with America's 200-meter champ, gold medalist, Gabby Thomas. I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready. Ocho, we have a very special guest joining us. The reigning 200 meter olympic champ she's a member of the winning uh world championship four by one she ran a blistering third leg um they qualified this morning with the fastest time even though they had a little hiccup uh

between tt and herself with the exchange they're gonna correct that gonna win another gold medal uh we're gonna talk about her possibly running on the four running a leg on the four by four and herself with the exchange. They're going to correct that. Going to win another gold medal. We're going to talk about her possibly running on the four, running a leg on the four by four. Welcome us, ladies and gentlemen, Gabby Thomas. Gabby! Yay! Thanks, guys.

Let's go. I forgot to mention she also has an undergrad degree in neurobiology, and she has a master's degree in epidemiology. Is that correct? That's right. And she's currently employed in Austin, where she serves underprivileged women. Is that correct also? Yeah, I volunteer at a healthcare clinic

where I provide healthcare services to people who don't have health insurance. Ooh, that's dope. Okay. I have a question. What are you doing as much as you're doing, especially when it comes to academics, how do you manage balancing your academics? I mean, hold on.

How do you manage balancing your athletics with your academic pursuits and neurology and sleep? How do you say it? How do you say it? Epidemiology. Yeah. How do you say epidemiology? Yeah. How do you balance the two? Well, I think because I started out as an NCAA athlete, you know, all collegiate athletes,

it's hard. It's hard to balance it, but you kind of figure it out and you make it work. And so I was juggling a difficult major and track and field. And while when I was running in college, track and field wasn't quite at the level that I'm running at now. We were still very committed to it. Like we were we were training like really elite D1 athletes like we were going to LSU or like we went to Oregon and stuff like that. So I kind of got the ropes in in college. And then the transition from college to pro was just it was easier.

Wow. Let me let me ask you this. How much pressure, because you got the bronze at the last Olympics, you got the silver, if I'm not mistaken, at the past Worlds, you're the face of this big ad with Toyota. You're the face of this. Now, Sharika Jackson, she steps out. Because there was pressure on you to do better than what you did at the last Olympic. Now, Sharika has withdrawn.

Now there's a ton of pressure. We had Justin Gallen, who's a world champion and an Olympic champ. We had Michael Johnson, a world champ and Olympic champ. He says sometimes the things that can weight an individual, an athlete down is expectations. How much or what type of burden were the expectations you're the face of this toyota ad okay gabby you're out there okay we see you you better bring home gold i know i everyone kept texting me talking about oh i see you on toyota everywhere like before trials even before i even made the olympic team you know they were showing my face

on the ads everywhere so i hadn't even become like the Olympian yet. So there was definitely a lot of pressure. And for me in 2021, like coming from Harvard and not having any, you know, medals or having made any USA team, it was just a lot of fun for me. Like I was going out there and running and no one had any expectations. So I was having a great time. I was like, all right, let's go. Let's go wind up next to Alison Felix.

Let's go see what happens. It'll be great. And then as soon as I made the Olympic team, it changed. And then as soon as I got a bronze medal, it changed. Now, suddenly people are talking about, okay, if you don't medal now, you know, that's an L right. If you don't make this team next year, you know, that's a big L. And so it immediately changed my mindset. And then even going into this year, yeah, I'm going in as a favorite. And there, I mean, I was telling people before I even stepped up to the line for my prelim, I have never felt this type of pressure before in my entire life. I mean, you walk out there and you're just, you're by yourself. You don't have a team to take that loss with you. If you, someone messes up,

there's no, there's no redo. There's no next play. There's none of that. It's like, all right, you're going to go out there by yourself in front of 80,000 people. And then, you know, the millions of people watching at home. And if you don't get it right in this one moment, especially in the short sprints, it's over. So it's definitely a lot of pressure. But for me, I practice, like I meditate, I practice like I meditate, I practice like focus. So if you can dissociate in that moment, you know, that separates the good athletes from the great athletes.

If you're over there on the line thinking about how many people are watching you, you're going to mess up. And you can, you can see it in people's faces when they line up to the line. You can see, you can tell when you're watching an athlete, you look in their eyes and you can see like, okay, this person has figured it out. They're about to knock this race out and someone who's scared and. All right. This is going to be there to fight for this. Before you go to the line, before you line up, before you go into the blocks, do you envision the race and play it out in your head before you actually run? Because when I think from a football standpoint, I would look at the first 15 plays are always scripted right and so when we

before we go into a game i envision what the route will look like regards to who's in front of me and how i'm going to execute it do you do that as a runner right before a big event with that kind of pressure on you 100 i had envisioned that race a hundred times at least before i ran it over the last week i envisioned every single like I envisioned the walkout getting into the blocks right the first couple steps I envisioned like the middle and who's outside of me I I ran it through my head so many times to the point where I could have ran that race with my eyes closed that's how perfectly I wanted to feel comfortable in that race now when I actually won like that was a different story I couldn't have envisioned you

know how that was going to feel what I was going have envisioned, you know, how that was going to feel, what I was going to do, but every single step, what I was going to do, I had already pictured in my head, in my head, I had already won. Like I was already the Olympic champion. And so I had to go out with that mindset. Gabby, I watched you in this race. And what surprised me is that you had a tune-up race before a pre-Olympic race and you raised Jillian Alpert you raised Dina Asher-Smith uh Nita was also in that race and you did not get out in that race like you did in the Olympic final what did you learn because you gave up too much of a cushion you're like I ain't making that mistake I'm not making that mistake again and now that race really that was a wake-up call for me so first of all I want to start off by

saying so that was the london diamond league race it is very difficult a lot of our races are overseas and when you train in the united states that is very difficult so for me you know the time i knew going in that that that girls those girls have been in europe so i had to get off a plane line up and i knew i'm like all right i'm a little jet lagged right now so it's gonna be tough but we're gonna make this happen and so that's what jet lag looks like. You, you, you feel like you're ready. You might feel ready. You're fit, you're fast, whatever. But that 1% difference is everything. So when I got off the curve in that race and I realized how far behind I was, I was, I mean, I panicked. I was like, Oh shoot. Like I might actually lose this race. And

you don't want to go into the Olympics. It's not good for your confidence. So I, everything I could to win that race. But the thing is it just gave me confidence because I knew I could win anyway. So I knew I could win. Even if I was 30 meters behind the field, I was like, I'm going to figure out a way to win. I knew I could win if I came off the turn in front, you know, in the mix or dead last.

So it gave me that confidence going into the Olympics. And it really just became a question of, you know, how am I going to win this race? Am I going to get out well or am I just going to have to fight for it? And so it was less of a question of if I'm going to win. It was more so like, how am I going to win? The thing that I like most about you is that you didn't panic. Because a lot of times we see people in races. Like you said, you got off a plane, your jet lag and you're like, well, I don't have it today, but I'm OK.

Or they panic in the race and it makes it makes it exacerbates the situation. Yeah. You relax. Yeah. And says, I believe I still have my training and the foundation in which I put forth. I believe I still can catch these these women. And in the last 20 meters, I'm like, where did she come from? Exactly. Exactly. And that's what you have to go into the race with confidence and trust in the training and trust in everything that you've done. And that's what I did. The worst thing you can do is panic and tense up in a sprint. I mean, every little thousandth of a second counts. And if you're stressed out, running, panicked, you know, that's it. Gabby, have you thought about it?

I don't know. And there's some speculation that said this might be Sid's last 400 meter, 400 hurdle race. And she might be looking to go to the open 400. There have only been a handful of people. Valerie Briscoe Hooks did it. She won the two and the four in the 84 Olympics. Marie-José Perrette did it in 96, along with Michael Johnson. A lot of people don't realize that, but in that same Olympics that Mike doubled, the French woman, she doubled.

Is that something that you've thought about going up to the 200 and maybe challenging, asking the Federation to say, you know what, could y'all stagger this a little bit to give me a little bit more time to recover? Or maybe the one-two or maybe the two-four. Have you thought about something like that? You know, I have thought about it. And even, you know, for our Olympic trials this year, I really was going to double. I was going to do the 400 and the 200. Ultimately, we decided that this was my year for the 200 and that we were going to focus on that alone. So I dropped out at the last minute, but I've definitely considered it. I think for now, it's just been like, all right, let's make this happen. Let's get an Olympic gold under my belt

so I can, I can get that title and keep it. But I think in the future, absolutely. Um, I'm going to have to prove to the world and to myself that I have what it takes to double. You know, Michael Johnson had already set the precedent. Like everyone that we knew, you know, he was going to go out and double and make some noise in both events. So you need someone who's really going to show up in both events and be a gold medal contender. And I definitely do see myself in the future being that in the 400.

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Listen to Ali and Me, now on Audible. are you in the pool for the four by four would you like to run a leg on that because we sell allison felix we've seen abby steiner do it and you can run sub 50 and that's saying something absolutely oh you want to absolutely i won a leg absolutely i ran my quarter this year i went to world relays this year. I ran that leg for Team USA. I got us qualified. So I absolutely, I'm in the pool. We've had some practices.

We don't know the relay order yet. You know, it's always going to be a surprise for Team USA because it's going to be whoever is ready on that day. So we got to see how the quarter-millers look in their finals. We got to see how people are looking in practice. We got to see how I look in this 4x1 tomorrow. So we're going to see how everyone looks and then the relay coach decides who's on it, but I absolutely want a spot. Absolutely.

I like it. I'm, I'm, I'm more, I'm more curious. I like the fact that something that you were able to do, something that I was very horrible at is the fact that you were able to balance academics and still excel at your craft. I was horrible at it. As someone who also went to Harvard, right? One semester, just one semester. Did you have an advantage based on your academic pursuits and neurobiology and sleep? Epidemiology. Epidemiology, right? Does that give you an influence and different perspective on health and fitness? Because when it comes to health, I eat McDonald's.

I still do to this day. Throughout the entirety of my career, I ate McDonald's. Does it give you an advantage, you know, in different perspective on health and fitness? I think so. I think in college, I had a very good and deep understanding of the importance of sleep and the importance of my health and how that affected my recovery. Right. And, you know, as an athlete, recovery is at least half the battle.

And in track and field, I would say it's definitely the majority of the battle. Right. And so having that actual understanding of what's going on and what happens when you only get six hours of sleep a night, you know, instead of nine or 10. Right. Like that definitely did make a difference. I had an appreciation for it. And when you actually understand why you're doing something you're doing, you definitely are more

committed to it. So I was committed to that discipline and that discipline is what got me to where I am today because I was never like the most talented athlete. That's why I didn't go to one of those, you know, really crazy track schools, but I was very disciplined and I did everything correct. I did everything right. And it got me here. And I think it's because I had that education and I had that background and that foundation. That's dope. Go ahead, Ocho. Yeah. And just for the people that listen, if you listen to her answer, there's one word that she said three times. One word. If we all had this, we would all excel in whatever it is that we do. And the key words she kept saying over and over was discipline. And that's what we all

struggle with. Yeah. I read that Allison Spelix is one of your biggest inspirations. And you kind of mind your stride patterns. She's a long strider, elongated strider. So is yourself. So have you had an opportunity to talk to Allison

since you won the gold? Oh, I haven't gotten to talk to her since I've won the gold. But I see what she had to say about my race. And it's such an honor. Just the fact that she's watching me just has me so excited. And like, I don't know, the little girl in me is like screaming because she, you know, she, she believed in me for like the race. I saw her walk through my race

on video and talking about, Oh, he looks so great. Just walking up to the line. And then I got out strong and hard and then held on. She's like, no one's catching me. And I was just like, this is such an honor. I was so excited, but I spoke to her before the Olympics and, you know, she gave me advice and she told me to just keep doing exactly what I've been doing. Enjoy the moment. You know, everything that I've done to get to this point means I'm moving in the right direction. And so I just need to trust in my training, um, because she's been through this and she was like, I know what it's like to be the favorite. She knows what it's like to go through the pressure and so to hear that coming from her i was like all right you know you're right i got this you're going to keep doing what i'm gonna do your coach tanya buford bailey um

she was a 400 meter hurdle guy a hurdler i remember that race between her and kim batten when they was separated they both went under the world record um so what is your training like because obviously you're training i think you're training austin or take some part of take yeah wherever wherever part of texas is hell hot and so what has she been able to help you with guide you with to help gabby thomas get to the pinnacle coach bailey is the best he is the best coach She is the best coach, mentor. She's such a mom figure. And she was an elite athlete herself. She has Olympic medals.

I train like a 400-meter runner because she was a 400-meter runner and she loves having us run. But mainly, she understands what it's like to be on the circuit. She understands what it's like to be an elite track runner. She gets that it is a doggy dog world. So having her in my ear when I'm going to races, when I'm lining up before the Olympics, like telling me, you know what, you just got to do what you got to do. You got to figure out how to win. And she taught me just how to win races. And then, you know, we can go and talk about, you know, this form stuff all day long. We can talk about, you can do that. But at the end of

the day, you have to figure out how to win races and win when it matters. And that's what, that's what she knows how to do. And she knows how to coach me how to do that because she's been through it. Right. That's a good thing. Winning when it matters most. So before the race, I'm just curious, I, I'm not very superstitious, but do you have any pre-race rituals or superstitions you might have before race absolutely not i don't do any of that superstition stuff i don't believe in it because because it doesn't matter i you know it's like something goes wrong for the race it doesn't matter like if i forget a spike or it doesn't none of that matters like you just have to go out there and figure out how

to win if my nail color is not the certain color none of it matters you know and like we just don't i don't do it that way my coach doesn't do it that way either um she just told me to go out there and be a killer that's the last thing she said to me and so you've had one of the best seat in the house over the last five or six years this u.s versus jamaica not only on the men's side but on the women you know they have, they have Shelly Ann, they have Elaine Thompson-Hara, they have Sharika Jackson, and before they had Stewart, and they had so many great runners in yourself and Alison Felix and this one and that one.

So what's that rivalry like? Do you feel it's a rivalry? Do you know what's at stake when the green, black, and gold step to the line and you got the stars and stripes? Absolutely. I mean, I grew up watching this rivalry. It's so fun to watch. I mean, Jamaica has some heavy hitters. And for me, unfortunately, like coming into professional track, I came in when they were just at that top. Like I was running against Elaine. You know, I was I was just in those races. And so it was very intimidating for me,

but you respect them so much. I think that right now we are in such an amazing era of American women sprinting. Like the, we are really crushing the game. But you know, it's a, it's a give and take. It's a push and pull.

It's a back and forth. Like, you know, when one of us drops a crazy time, the Jamaicans don't want to see that they're going to, they're going to snatch it right back and vice versa. And I think that's really cool. Cause we're really bringing women sprinting to new heights.

Like we're just such a good product right now because of that rivalry. And even, you know, having Sharika out this year, it it's really unfortunate to not have your reigning world champion in, in the race. Um, but it's just part of that give and take.

You know, this is not her year, just like it wasn't my year last year. And she will be back and we will go at it. You know, she'll get back healthy. It's really hard to be really fast for a long time and stay healthy. As y'all know, like this is, it's really hard on your body

to be at the top of the game for a while. It takes a lot of management, a lot of planning. And thankfully my coach and I had planned this year perfectly, but I know she'll be back. We can't stay complacent with it because that's the sport. It's Jamaica versus USA. I forgot about the great 200

meter run of Veronica Campbell-Brown who her and Allison used to go back and forth before Elaine Thompson-Hara and Sharika Jackson got to it. The mayor of your hometown in Northampton, Massachusetts, say they will honor you with a Gabby Thomas Day. You're growing up as a little girl, and you look at yourself now, I think you're 27 years of age.

Could you have imagined your life, say you're five, six years old back then, and you look at your life now, could you have imagined this, Gabby? Absolutely not. I really could not and you know I I had dreams of like being a doctor being an actress but you know little kids they'd say that stuff but I couldn't have never imagined that I would be chasing dreams like this and actually achieving them but you know I grew up and my mom was such a hard worker and she went after her dreams and she always told me like, you have a light, you were going to shine so bright and you were so special. And when you have a parent that instills that in you, you know, you start to believe it deep, like in your core. And so I did, even though I didn't know what that would look like, I didn't know what I would go on to accomplish. Like I just innately knew that.

And so I still carry that. And so I want, you know, my future children and any young girl who's watching me to believe that too. If you genuinely can believe that and think, okay, I can do something special. I am made for this. You can do it. You just really have to believe it. And so I think that, you know, my career, my, my trajectory has just been, um, you know, a showcase of that. That's awesome i i have another question listen we know gabby thomas the academic scholar we know gabby thomas the job's not finished over in paris right now but we know gabby thomas the track superstar are there any hobbies or interests you do outside of track and field that we don't know about that you enjoy i mean other than like volunteering. Yeah. I have a dog. I love my dog.

That's actually my baby. He's a pug. And I mean, I just love spending time with him. We go on walks, we go to the park, we go to the lake Austin is such an outdoorsy town or, you know, kind of small city. And so I just like to be outside, um, you know, hang out with my friends. really have a very very normal life like a very typical simple life outside of track and school and what not

what's the biggest difference between running professionally and running collegially because you're not running for books now this is how you pay bills this is how you get that car this is how you keep a roof over your head that's exactly right the I mean, okay. The biggest actual main difference is like the recovery. You have to rest. So for me, I think

that was the hardest transition. It's saying no to your friends to do things all the time. Like you can't go to these dinners. You can't go to these parties. And that's the commitment you have to make to get to this moment, to be a gold medalist. That's the hardest pill to swallow. I think because it's easy to say, but in practice, it's very hard. And also dealing with pressure. Like I said before, like when you're in college, you're running so many races, you have a team that'll just kind of be there for you. And, you know, if you lose, it's not the end of the world, but if you lose on a pro level, it really can be the end of the world. So it's like, that's paying your bills. You're going to have to go figure something else out if you lose races. And so it's like whoever can deal with that.

If you can't deal with it, you're just not going to have a career. But if you can, then you will. Can you handicap the 200 meters? We got Noah Liles, who's the American record holder. He's the three-time world champ. We got Tobogo. And Tobogo is nothing to sneeze at. He's run 9.82 in the 100 meters.

He's run 19.50 in the 200 meters. He's run 19.50 in the 200 meters. And he went low 44 in the 400 meters. So he has the speed and he has the strength to really stand toe-to-toe. We got Kenny Benerick. Hey, we got Arian Knighton. You can't count

out Tyson DeGrasse from Canada. Handicap the 200 meters for us. Oh, I am so excited for this race. Look, you said it best. I mean, Tobogo, you cannot cut him out. He has shown incredible fitness this season, and he has

committed. I mean, his 400 strength looks incredible. Arian is just a young prodigy. He's incredible. Kenny shows up, and Kenny is very talented, and he's looked really good through the semis. I don't want to be biased, but Noah really inspired me with that 100.

He showed us that he will figure out how to win, and I love to see that. That's the best thing about athletes, that you figure out how to win. And this is his bread and butter. Noah looks amazing. He looks amazing i i cannot imagine losing a race but i mean we're gonna have to see they all look so good because it comes down to that moment who can handle that moment who can who can be exactly their best self in the moment

because it doesn't matter exactly race tomorrow and somebody else might win race next week on the circuit and somebody else might win. But today. Exactly. Exactly. They're all capable of having that gold medal. All of every single one of them in that final

can have a gold medal in the Olympic 200. When you look back when it's all said and done, what legacy do you hope to leave both on the track and off the track? I hope to leave both on the track and off the track? I hope to leave a legacy of giving back to your community, for one.

I think that is one of the best things you can do. And that's kind of what I was raised on is how can you give back to society in a meaningful way? A legacy of showing that if you work hard, you will be successful and be kind to people. I mean, those three things right there and you're good. You will be successful. I want the younger generation to see that. Are there any more world records that the Americans can get? Will you guys challenge that 40.82 that the women ran in Beijing?

Is that possible? Can we see Sid and Femme Cabal lower that 50.65 in the 400 meter hurdles for the women? Will we see Carson Warhol, Rob Benjamin? You have Alison Dos Santos. We have Samba from Qatar. Will we see anybody go up on the world record in any of the remaining sprints? American. I think so. I think I think definitely. I think y'all are going to have to open up your wallets a little bit because I do think we're going to see a couple of records coming out. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're spending our money, Gabby.

I hate to say it, but I do think the 4x1 girls, we can definitely challenge the world record. The previous world record team, they spoke to us just last week about it and I think we are very capable. And the hurdles, yeah, it's a wrap.

It's a wrap tonight. I don't know if it's going to be Shemke or Sydney, but I think it'll definitely go down. Somebody's going to have to run low. If Femke beats Sid, she's going to have to go low 50, maybe even sub 50. Sydney is in great, I'm talking about in great form. She's in great shape.

She's a flawless, I mean, she can run, she can run the one, she can run the hurdle, the lower for the women and be good. Her technique is so flawless. She has tremendous strength. Coming into it, that 2207, that's still like, what, the eighth or ninth best time run at 200 meters. She's run 4875 at 400 meters.

She's probably, if you run a workout and get a start right, she might be sub 75 at 400 meters she's probably if you're ready to work at it get a start right she might be sub 11 at 100 meters in order for and i know film kids unbelievable she ran a blistering sub 48 split on the anchor leg we've seen her win the world indoor at 49 17 but see it as a different if she this is an. I don't care what anybody tells you. If Femme Cabal beats Sydney McLaughlin-Leveroni in the 400 meters hurdle, this is a huge upset. Ain't happening.

Ain't happening. Ain't happening, Captain. No, sir. One thing Sig gonna do, like you said, it's all about moments. And whenever that moment arises, she's always been good the case always shows up to the case yeah she has that's one thing bobby the one thing if you go back and study bobby curse's history his runners at big meets they perform if they if they if they line up

they run they they run well and so that's not the short change. Femke, because she's been unbelievable. I actually kind of want to see that thing come down in the 400 meters, the 4x4. I want Cedric Femke to get the baton at the same time. And let's see what happens. Let's see what it's really about. Matter of fact, you know what? My daughter, she's a freshman at University of Kentucky. She runs track at University of Kentucky. She runs track at University of Kentucky. If there's anything that you can tell me that I can pass on to my baby to make sure she stays inspired and stays disciplined, is there anything you can tell me that I can pass on to her so she continues to strive for greatness?

Oh, man. As a collegiate track athlete, I would tell her to just really focus on enjoying the process. I think what really makes a track athlete great is that they're enjoying the environment that they're in. Right. And that they're just taking in every moment of the process and focusing on getting better. Don't focus on every time. Don't focus on every single race. Because, like, you get so many races.

Just focus on the overall journey and getting better. And track and field, the sacks is never going to be a straight line. It's always going to have ups and downs. So she just needs to ride it out and enjoy it. And she'll do great. All right. We got you, got you, got you. Thank you.

Gabby, us at Nightcap want to say how proud we are of you. I know our fans are very, very proud of you. So because of your huge big win, Ocho and I will be gifting you $25,000. We have your information and we're going to get that to you ASAP. So when you get back to the stateside, you definitely have a package courtesy of the Metcalf. But one thing, wait a minute. But you got to buy McDonald's just once.

You got it. It's a deal. Gabby, congratulations. I'm so happy for you. I'm so proud of you. Good luck in the 4x1 and the 4x4. Tell the ladies, good luck. Congratulations, and we'll see you down the road.

Wait, wait, wait. And tell Quincy Wilson we're going to race when he gets home, too. We'll do. Thank you. Thank you for taking time out of your schedule. I understand you're very busy. Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule. understand you're very busy. Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule.

Gabby, giving us a few moments of your time. I'm sure the Nightcap audience, our subscribers are going to greatly appreciate this interview. Thank you so much and good luck. Thank you. Thank you. Bye, guys. Bye. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company,

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