Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: VCU TAKES DOWN North Carolina in Round 1 of MARCH MADNESS + Duke SURVIVES SCARE from Siena + AJ Dybantsa & BYU Get BOUNCED by Texas + High Point UPSETS Wisconsin
Episode Date: March 20, 2026Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the 11th Seed VCU upsets 6 seed North Carolina, Duke the number one overall seed survives against number 16 seed Siena..., and Texas upsets BYU and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 05:00 - 11th seed VCU beats 6th seed North Carolina26:05 - No. 1 overall seed Duke beats No. 16 Siena31:30 - No. 11 seed Texas beat No. 6 seed BYU35:45 - No. 12 High Point beats No. 5th seed Wisconsin (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Number 11C,
seek man.
A race the 19 point deficit to stun the sixth seat of North Carolina Tar Heels by the
score of 82.78 in overtime.
The Rams pulled off the sixth biggest comeback in tournament history.
The second largest second half comeback behind Nevada 22 point rally against Cincinnati in
2018.
For the third time in the last four seasons, the Tar Heels have failed to reach the round
of 32 under Hubert Davis.
Um,
Huber Davis,
biggest blown lead.
He had a 15 point lead his first year at Carolina,
uh,
Joe and Ocho in the national championship game.
He coughed that up.
In 2023,
he missed it.
In 2024,
number one seed he lost in the sweet 16.
2025,
first round loss,
2026, first round loss,
and the first round lost this year
after having a 19 point lead.
Um,
I hate saying this,
Joe.
I really do.
What's that?
But after watching what?
But Hubert Davis, I mean, they went out early in the ACC tournament, loved Clemson.
They lose in the first round of having after having a 19-point lead.
And it's a continuation and watch him sit on the sideline and make no adjustment.
Yeah.
Because if you watch Hill Jr., he gets it going.
They don't trap him.
They don't blitz him.
They don't do anything to get the ball out of his hand.
And they let him continuously play one-on-one.
That's on the coach.
How did VCU get back into this game and ultimately win this game in overtime?
I think, you know, when they got down, you know, I mean, you can look at it like the last game.
You want to, you know, you want to scratch and cloud just stay in the game or get back in the game.
Okay, Ocho.
He'll junior got it going.
And honestly, this really don't surprise me, okay, Ocho, because North Carolina's best player, Caleb Wilson, he's done for the season.
It'll be a top five pick in this NBA's draft.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I would give you that.
I would give you that, Joe.
From Atlanta, Georgia.
Which one?
Caleb Wilson.
He employed.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so he broke his.
He broke, yeah, he had a hand injury,
then he ended up tearing a thumb ligament, right?
Yeah.
For this.
So that's why I'm saying.
That's 20 and 10.
You can't, you can't make that up.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
concede that to you. I would concede that to you. But guess what? They had a 19 point lead
without their 6-11 great player that's going to be a lottery pick. So they build a lead
without him. You can't say well if they'd have had him because they had a 19-point lead
in the second half without him. Go ahead. Hey, they clearly couldn't sustain it. They clearly
sustain it. I'm telling like BCU, hey, they crawl back in their game, bro. It was,
it was impressive to watch. But yeah, I mean, North Carolina got great contribution from guys.
to win the game, obviously.
They're a team, but without Caleb, man, I just kind of,
I ain't even lied to you, Uncle,
I ain't really been paying attention to the Charhills
because I know they ain't going to go far.
Yeah.
For me, Joe, is that you see a guy heating up.
That's rule number one.
Get the ball out of his hands.
Why would you continuously let him play one-on-one?
When he's beating you, he's beating you off the dribble,
he's getting to his spots, he's hitting the threes,
and you still do absolutely nothing to get the ball out of his hands.
I can see if we get trapped him, Joe and Ocho,
and other guys start to heat up,
then we're going to have to make adjustments accordingly.
And maybe we're going to have to play the thing straight up.
But to make no adjustment,
Hubert Davis made no adjustment,
he continues to let Hill Jr. play one-on-one,
and it got him beat.
He had 11 in the first half.
So he's like, damn, because he kept a minute in the first half.
And then when they got down, he got, now he got 16.
Now he got big.
I'm like, bro.
And when he got one-on-one with that big and hit that step back, I said, that's good.
I said, it's over.
Hey, once you give a team confidence, give them some life, okay, Ocho.
It's a rap.
It's a hard to turn a team down once they get rolling.
Once they get steam rolling, that's what happened with VCU.
They confidence is through the roof.
Go ahead, Ocho.
Now, I'm going to say the Tar Hill game, I couldn't get it out here
where I was in New York.
BYU, Texas,
Kennesaw State, and Gonzaga
where the two games I was able to watch.
Okay. Yeah.
I wasn't able to see that one
based on where I was, based on my location out here.
But if you look, I mean,
a 19 point lead.
Yeah.
Joe, Ocho, as a sixth seed.
Yeah.
But like I said, and I don't advocate,
but I just think, I just,
there's no question of my mind.
They can get somebody better than Hubert Davis
at UNC. That's still a premium
program. That's a blue blood. That's like
somebody going to Oklahoma. That's like somebody
going to Ohio State. That's like
Alabama. That's Michigan.
That's USC. That is
a premium program.
And for them to be floundering around
and losing into Sweet 16, not even
getting to the Sweet 16, not even making out of the
32. That's unacceptable for that.
For that program, for that institution,
that is unacceptable.
Oh, yeah, because they're too prestige.
They're not going to let that continue to go on.
Hey, Joe and Uncle, listen, as prestigious as they are,
the history that North Carolina has,
and you're saying him not making adjustments necessary in game,
what if he doesn't have the players to make those adjustments?
Even though you're up 19,
what if you understand that if I make adjustments,
it's going to put my players in certain spots
with them being exposed based on who we're playing?
You got up 19.
Yeah.
You got up 19.
Hold on.
So how did you do that?
Hold on.
Stay with me real quick, huh?
Yes, I'm here.
Hold on.
You got up 19 early in the game, right, Joe?
No, it was in the second half.
Okay, in the second half.
So when the other team, the opposing team makes certain adjustments that you need to.
Based on what you're doing, so you can go up 19 and they find a way to call the way back into the game.
Yes.
Then what do you do you do?
You make, you get the ball out of the hot guy's hand.
It's just like a receiver.
If you're going off, what did they do?
They double you.
We're going to make you throw the ball to Chris Henry, rest his soul.
We're going to make you throw the ball to.
DJ Hushmanzada, we're going to make you check it down.
But I've been damn if we're going to let Ocho play one-on-one out here.
He's already got a buck 50, and we're not trying to let him get 250.
That's what you do.
It's simple.
Right.
The hot man, basketball, Joe, you see this all.
Joe, you know this better than anybody because you played the game at an elite level.
A hot guy, they're coming with the trap.
Yeah.
They come in.
They got to get the ball out of your hand.
Yeah.
Yeah, I agree with you.
When you get a guy who get it going like that, you got to try to turn his water off.
You got to send two, throwing them off rhythm, you know,
make him give it up a few possessions, then let him get it.
Yes.
But yeah, I agree with you.
They didn't make no adjustments.
And this is what you get.
You know, when we are out there competing, bro,
it's hard for cats to really be like, hey, man, come on,
switch, let me get him for a minute.
You know what I mean?
He's tan you up.
Hell no.
I don't want to hit it.
And that pride kick, he just cold a few, oh, he's like,
then I got him.
I got it, I got it.
Yeah.
And we saw this tonight with Luca.
They let Luca play one-on-one.
I don't know what Spoh was thinking.
You just saw your guy score 83 less than a week ago.
Yeah.
So you mean to tell me you're going to let Luca play one-on-one?
All he was doing is calling for the high-pick.
Okay?
Hey, he get a, what's the one they got?
They just got from the Clippers.
They traded from the Clippers.
I forget it.
Norman Powell.
Yeah.
Whoa, w-wop-wop-wop.
I mean, step back after, step back after step back.
Hey, Joe.
Well, he's going to make it that.
When he's going to make it that, when he made it.
taking that, bro. I'm talking about as deep as he shoot. He can shoot it with a hand in his face.
Man, 60 points, bro.
It's over.
60. Look what a game at, fellas. Look at the scoring. That's why, you know, this is what people
want to see. They want to see these dudes put up these type numbers, man. 60. But I just,
it's going to be considering, oh, Joe and Joe, considering who North Carolina is, it's going
to be hard for Hubert Davis to go in there and convince the alumni, the booster,
and the president that he should remain in this role given, bro, look at these, come on, man,
that's, that's Carolina.
That's Carolina.
That's Coach Smith.
That's Roy.
Best play out.
Hey, hey, hey.
You had a 19.
Ocho.
That's like you play with, okay, Carl's not there.
You got a 24 point lead.
And then how do you go to the media?
and say, well, we couldn't, well, you know we was missing Carson.
Well, you didn't have Carson when you built the 24 point lead.
Yeah.
So what did you do?
So what, so what happened?
Yeah.
So you can't, if, if you, if you lose this game, if you're, if it's mipping tumped, I can give you that.
If you get blown out, I can give you.
We don't have our best player.
Right.
But you didn't have your best player and you built a 19 point lead.
Yeah.
So now you can't use we didn't have our best player argument.
Right.
The reason why you lost the game.
You lost the game because when one team made the adjustments to cool you off,
you didn't make the adjustments to cool their best player off.
Yeah, yeah.
There has to be like, okay, a chance.
When you play a chess, okay, you got moves,
but you got, okay, if you see where he's going,
you've got the counter moves.
You got the counter.
You just can't keep going to the same course of action.
And that's what Hubert Davis did.
He didn't make any adjustments.
He rarely make any adjustments.
Yeah, I wonder what his recruiting class looks like.
I think that'll probably determine a lot too.
You know what I'm saying?
Does he have any top guys who've committed to North Carolina?
More time than not, the one in Duns, they go into Duke, first and foremost.
Now you see Cal getting a bunch of now at Arkansas where it was basically Duke and Duke and,
Kentucky for all the one and done.
Yeah.
They were getting all the one and done.
So if they were 12 one and done,
those two teams had 10 of them.
Yeah.
Kansas might have got one,
and then somebody else got arbitrarily had them.
Yeah, yeah.
You know what he need, though, huh?
What's that?
Instead of finding him, Joe,
he need to go to the boosters,
go to whoever's in positions of power.
I need a little bit more money
and they get the players we need to
to be able to compete in these tournaments.
That's why I ask.
But here's the thing, Ocho,
Joe, do you believe he can get you ready for the NFL?
Because when they go to Ohio State, what is the track record show?
Those receivers go to the NFL.
Those D-Liamen go to the NFL.
Those offensive linemen go to the NFL.
Those linebackers go to the NFL.
When you go to Bamma, so you go into some arbitrary school, can he get me ready to go play
in the NFL?
Can they get me ready to go play in the NBA?
Because that's all my, I'm stopping off.
I'm going to class the first semester after Christmas.
I ain't going back to class no more.
Hey, hey, you know what, too.
We know it's funny, too, Uncle.
Yeah.
Think about it too.
You look at some of these players that go to the Alabama's,
especially when they come to football,
when they go to the Alabama,
they go to the Ohio States.
They already prepped the NFL ready.
It's just about going to the right institution.
Yes.
Fine-tune all the other things and attributes that you need
to be able to get to that next level.
North Carolina is that type of program.
All it is is about how do I track the players
that can be NBA ready
or that are, can,
can be prepped for the NBA, how do I get him to come here?
If we understand how college is now with the NIL money, hell, what's the one way to get them?
You got to pay them. You got to pay them. You got to pay to play.
You have the winning now, whether it's college, I mean, whether it's football or basketball,
money talks. This is the business now. This ain't like college in the old days.
We're not going to North Carolina just because Michael Jordan went there.
Yeah.
Just because some of the other prestige players that played the NBA went there.
No, we're trying to get to that bag.
Hey, listen.
Go ahead.
I think even when you look at Coach Cowell's situation, Uncle Ocho,
at the University of Arkansas, you know, he catered to the players.
He lets you know, man, I'm only playing, I'm only playing seven guys.
I'm only playing seven guys, Uncle Ocho.
You're telling that?
Yeah, that's what he's telling him.
Yeah, he's telling him, I'm only playing seven guys.
This is how I was going to go.
So, you got, you know, you got a real understanding.
And you respect a coach, man, who can be straightforward with you like that.
you know what I mean
and he's like the portal
he's like the segue to the NBA for guards bro
he got he got
I mean he's gonna have two guards
go to the league this year
yeah yeah I think the thing is
Ocho is that if you look at Carolina's history
they haven't had a whole lot they haven't
basically since Roy left they haven't had
that cavalcade of guys going to the NBA
they've been Duke because you see
the Brandon Ingrams you see the
Jason Tatum you see the Zion
Williamson you see the Cooper flag
the Khan Kinepples.
You see the Jalen Johnson.
You see boom, boom, boom.
Well, that's where I'm going.
You saw this with Alabama.
You see this with Ohio State.
That's where I'm going.
We understand what used to be.
Oklahoma doesn't get the same level of player
that they once did.
USC doesn't get the same level of player they once did.
So in my process, I'm thinking, okay, Joe,
if, oh, Joe, I can get a million dollars to go
here or let's just say 500,000 I get 500,000 to go here I get 500,000 to go to Duke or I can
get 600,000 to go to North Carolina. Where am I going? Duke. Exactly. Yeah, dude. So unless the
money is just astronomical. Yeah. Now you're talking about okay 500,000 versus a million.
That's something that put a hundred thousand dollars and I know what Duke's track record is.
Zion Youngson, number one overall draft pick. Brandon Ingram number two pick. Jason.
and Tatum number three pick.
Cooper flag,
number one overall.
Conkine up top, top six,
top five, top six.
I see Jalen Johnson.
I see all these guys
year after year after year after year.
I see R.J. Barrett.
I see Cam Reddish.
Nah, bro, I'm good.
I'm just being honest.
Hey, Joe, look what you just said, right?
So what you understand in that, right?
What's up?
You still want to give coach a little grace
and understanding that I'm not getting the players
I need to be able to compete
because are everybody going to other places
because the money is better?
He can't attract them.
See, he can't attract them.
That's a problem in and of itself too.
Yes, sir.
I don't care what type of club you got.
Got to be relatable to these players, man.
If you want the high rolls to come,
what you got to have, Ocho?
They got to have that money for.
You got to have them fans.
You got to have them.
When you go to the club,
When you go to the club, they got by 30 of the fans standing right out there, right,
and they're usher them right on the end.
Yes, sir.
Because when the guys see those, they're going to go in there with a bottle service.
That's how it works.
So you have to have something to attract them.
You're not catching a lion or a tiger with an empty trap.
You better throw a carcass in there, a zebra, a eel, or something.
Something.
you got to attract him with something.
And I'm not so sure North Carolina
is just the Tar Hill and the Jumpman brand.
I'm not so sure that's enough anymore, guys.
Hey, they got to call, Joe, they got to call Mike.
Mike, we need to open up the water a little bit more.
Nah, it's the playing field too even now.
You know, it ain't really no advantages no more
to go to North Carolina or none of the-
Nope.
You know what I mean?
Like, you know, if you're good, if you're good,
they're going to find you, partner.
Yeah.
Nowadays, it's too many, it's too, too much going on.
It's too many ways to be visible
and the way to stream and things are going.
They stream everything, so they ain't going to miss you.
You remember Alabama?
Remember how Alabama had that thing on the choke, a little choke?
All the live stars for about 10, 50 a year.
The receivers and running backs.
Yeah.
Back to back.
Back to back.
Matter of fact,
the funny part to me is I'm confused.
Why do players, especially if you look at the production that came out of Alabama,
they had no problem sitting behind each other waiting they turn.
They could have been anywhere.
They was going to find you regardless.
Yeah.
When you got Mark Endram, you got Derek Henry, you got Alvin Kamarra,
you got a Drake, Kenyon Drake, T.J. Yeldon.
Yeah.
And you're just pumping them out.
Yeah.
You got to go.
Because if you don't go to the NFL, you've got to go.
might be on the bench.
That ain't going to look good.
No.
That is not going to look good.
Hey, your freshman year, you rush for 900 yards.
Your sophomore year, you're a backup.
Yeah, yeah.
So you got to go.
Yeah.
Those wide receivers, you get Julio, and you get Ridley,
and you get Amari Cooper.
Because here come Jerry Judy, here come Jalen Wattle,
here come, Henry Ruggs, here come Devonte Smith.
They're coming.
You got JMO.
They're coming.
You got to leave.
Yeah.
It ain't complicated.
Yeah.
You got to leave.
Same thing with the DVs.
Look at those DVs.
They're pumping them out.
Certain.
Arnold.
Minka.
Yeah, they have some good ones, boy.
McKinney.
It's a new day.
I'm done with North Carolina.
I'm gonna find me a new team.
Oh, there was your squad?
Yeah.
Hey, hold, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Oh, wait, wait, where you,
from?
Well, I'm from Georgia.
Okay.
How has North Carolina your squad if you're from Georgia?
Are you just?
I don't know.
You got to realize, Ocho, this go, just go way back.
I first came acquainted with North Carolina.
North Carolina came on my radar in 1981.
They lost the national championship game to Indiana and Isaiah.
That was the same night that president,
the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan's life.
Okay.
Okay.
They lost.
Isaiah, Randy Whitman,
Rolando Turner.
Yeah.
They had James Worthy.
They had Jimmy Black.
They lost.
The next year,
guess who comes in the next year?
Guy with his tongue hanging out of the bottom.
Join.
Yes.
And guess who they play for the National Championship?
Georgetown and Patrick Ewing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we go back 40 plus,
I go back 40 plus years with them.
Hold on.
I got another question.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm glad you said that.
So you became a North Carolina fan.
Yeah.
Once when they lost,
to Isaiah them.
Then Jordan came in the following year
because Jordan was there,
okay, now I'm a fan of North Carolina.
Yes.
So that means you're a fan of Jordan.
Yeah, I like Jordan, yes.
Okay, okay.
So who's the greatest NBA player of all time?
LeBron.
Two things can be true.
I can like Jordan and believe Jordan,
but LeBron is a better player.
It's subjective.
Yeah, we go back, yeah.
When Kenny Smith and they had Sam Perkins,
They had Matt Dardy.
What's Kenny Smith?
James Williams.
Yeah, the jet.
He went to North Carolina.
He was on the team with not on that national championship team.
Right.
He was on the team with the year, two years after, two years after.
Okay.
Yeah.
Now, they had a squad now.
They had a squad.
Yeah.
Oh, when they had Rashid Wallace and Stackhouse and J.R. Reed.
Yeah.
Oh, that was used to be loaded.
Hey, hey, when they had Vince Carter and Antoine Jameson over there, too, now.
Yes.
Ask. Well, you know, Coach Smith, Coach Demme,
and then he turned him over to Coach Gruthry.
Yeah, yeah.
Remember because he didn't want to lead the coverage bear?
Yeah.
Hey, them boy was a show.
Yeah.
You're an MJ fan.
I've been an MJ fan.
Yeah, I'm, I was curious.
I thought I had you.
I thought I had you in the corner real quick.
Nah, no, no, no.
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Number one, number one overall seed, Duke survived number 16 Sienna by rallying.
They were down 13 at the half, but they come back to win by 6th, 7165.
The top seeded blue devils needed a late rally to overcome a double-digit deficit.
Duke became the first number one seed to trail by double digits, 11, to a 16 seed at the half.
Duke is the eighth of number one seed in NCAA tournament history to win by six or fewer points against the 16 seed.
The three of the previous seven lost their next game,
the only one to win on to reach the final four.
Georgetown won by one, lost in the elite 8 in 89.
Was that the Princeton game?
I think that might have been the Princeton game.
Oklahoma, 89.
They won by one, lost in Sweet 16, Purdue, Michigan State, Michigan,
Duke in 26, Gamzaga,
and Illinois.
Oh, Illinois,
that's when they had,
what you call them?
That was Kendall Gill
and Nick Anderson,
Neil.
Who was this?
Illinois in 1988.
I think Kendall Gil and Nick at night
was on that team.
And Kendall Gill played
for the Super Sonics, huh?
Uh-huh?
Kendall Gill played for the Super Sonics?
I think, I think so.
I don't remember if he did.
I remember him playing for it.
If I'm not mistaken, I think that was the 89 team.
Wasn't that Lou Henson?
Yeah, Marcus Liberty.
Yeah.
Mr. Basketball.
Yeah.
Hey, Duke got lucky.
Duke got lucky today, huh?
They did.
Hey, Joe.
Hey, Joe and, if Duke was playing anyone else outside of Sienna,
they could have lost that game.
They could have lost to Sienna.
See, this.
I mean, they could have.
But they've got them boozo boys as hell to deal with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They got them, Evans, Evans was bawling, too.
Yeah, yeah.
But a better team, Joe, a better team outside of Sienna,
they win this game, especially being up double points.
Well, the thing is, the thing is Duke, they star and point guard went down.
I forgot his name, but he didn't, he, he ain't been playing.
I think he out, out.
And when you got two freshmen in your lineup, obviously they brothers,
they twin brothers, they both played well tonight,
Uncle Ocho, the Boozel boys.
They both played well to get them boys over the hump.
But if it wasn't for that,
because it was looking shaky.
I seen them down 10.
I said, hold up.
Yeah.
They watched them on the glass, though.
They were plus 12 on the glass.
Karen Boozer, you know, he had 22, but he hadn't been shooting the ball.
He got at most of his points at the free throw line.
But he's a load on the glass.
Oh, yeah, we're going to load.
You got to keep him off the glass now.
Yeah, you got to keep him off the glass.
You got to make him work, too.
You can't just let him walk down there and just stand right there on the box.
Like I say, you got to stop bumping and grinding from the three-point line.
As soon as he crossed half court, Ocho, I'm hitting him with their shoulder.
I'm catching him right there at the Frito line all the way down to the block.
I got to weigh you down.
Yeah.
You can't let him walk you down, though, Joe.
No, you can't.
You can't.
Hey, I'm going to tell you how some, any of these guys who can put the ball in the basket,
these scores, especially in college, because when I'm watching,
I'm looking how they play in defense.
Obviously, when you get into, you know, the NBA, defense is a lot different, man.
Guys really know how to play.
They know how to bump grind, the little nuances of the things.
the game they can get away with but
I don't know how far Duke can go man
they didn't they didn't really impress me today
I ain't got them going to the final four I know that
I think I got them winning maybe one more game
yeah
that's it that's it
it's just hard playing on that neutral
sight bro like you ain't really no advantage
Ojo yeah
yeah that's what I mean dude travel
do travel well now
oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it'll feel like a home game
even though you're not playing, you know, at home.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, look, all the, you know, your Dukes and your Carolinas,
teams like that are basketball power, they're going to travel.
Just like Ohio State and Alabama, your football powers, they're going to travel.
Georgia, they're going to travel.
They're going to travel.
This is, hey.
And they're number one.
They're going for a long, long time.
Yeah.
And they rank, they rank number one.
They are, number one overall.
Yeah, number one overall team.
So yeah, you know they're going to travel.
And, you know, Coach K, I mean, Duke is synonymous with Coach K.
He was there for such a long time.
I remember the first time when he played for the National Championship in 86,
and they lost the Purvis Nelson when they had Tommy Amherkin and Johnny Dawkins,
Jay Billis.
Yeah, yeah.
And they lost the Purvis in them in 86, Louisville.
but and he's just been getting
he's just been getting
playing with him. Yeah.
A Grand Hill, Thomas Hill,
Kristen Lake, the Cherokee Park,
Trajan Labby to just
on and on and on and on and on.
Go ahead, don't you want to say something?
No, no, no, I'm listening.
I'm listening.
But,
but Duke, hey,
what did they say?
What's the theme?
Survive in advance.
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Duke did.
Number 11, Texas gets past AJ DeBanza and the BYU Cougars, 7971.
AJ DeBonsa played every minute of the game, but it wasn't enough as BYU has its season and probably his college career come to an end.
DeBonza.
35 points was two points of time B.
Y's youth tournament record for points in the game
held by Danny Aange and Jimmer for debt.
Matias, I don't even know how I'd say his last night,
but he had 23 and 16 for the Texas Longhorns in 33 minutes.
He was 10 or 17.
Man, he could have, he was 311 for the free throw line.
Who was that?
But AJ did AJ things.
You know, I'm not so sure I'm not taking him number one.
one overall. I think there's too many for me,
just for me now. Yeah. Somebody else might feel
differently. I think there's too many red flag for Peterson.
You, oh, so you're saying you're taking A.J.1.
I'm taking A.J. DeBonza.
Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's the red flag with Peterson, huh?
Well, him taking itself out the game, not being available?
Yep.
I mean, hold on, but when you look at upside, though,
as far as make it to the next level, who can come in, both.
Both can come in and make a difference right now.
DeBonza, though.
I mean, I can't teach six, seven, six eight.
Six nine.
That boy six nine.
I can't teach that, Ojo.
Yeah, he played well.
He played well tonight.
Shoot, Texas did everything they could.
Got down, every time he got the ball, they trapped him right away.
Sometimes he had to get, he had to get the ball up off of him.
Hey, yeah, that was it.
That was his last game, fellow.
We got out of that, Joe.
We're going to catch him.
We're going to catch him in July and the NBA Summer League out of Vegas.
We catch him in Summer League.
Come on out here.
We catch him in Summer League.
That's the next time y'all gonna see that boy playing.
You hear me?
Yeah.
Who got the first pick, Joe?
We don't know yet.
We don't know yet, but I'm gonna just be honest with you.
It's a lot of guys who can still improve their draft stop.
Yeah.
But for the number one pick, I'm almost willing to bet whoever,
whatever team get the number one pick, they pick an AJ first.
I agree with you.
I think that, listen, and I think the people know, man.
I know they do everything with a little, what you call it,
the ping pong balls.
The pink pong balls?
You think they cheat?
No, I'm not going to say they cheating, Joe,
but they know, they know who for the, um, you know what I'm saying?
You know how they do.
Hey, well, listen, check this out.
I'm going to be skeptical.
If Utah get the number one pick,
I'm going to be skeptical because I'm like,
hold on, they didn't kept AJ in Utah for the past two, three years.
Hey, let me think about it.
He didn't go to Duke.
He went to, he went to BYU.
Yeah.
He went to BYU.
Yeah.
Oh, don't they, hey, there's a reason why Utah been sitting there started in
the guys, they're playing, the guys having surgery out for the rest of the year.
The NBA don't find them a half a million dollars for pulling that bulljive.
Hey, they try to increase the ping pong balls.
If they get, if Utah Jazz get the number one pick, boy, I know something.
They, they're going to get it.
They don't get it.
You know what it should be?
Hey, to keep y'all from doing this bull job, everybody get one ball.
One ping pong ball.
And we pull it out, we pull it out.
Yeah.
Hey, the killer part is if OKC mess around
and get the number one pick.
Oh, Lord, how much?
They don't necessarily need it,
but they can, hey, they can secure the future
for a long time.
They mess around the, I don't even know,
I don't even know what they would, who would their trade?
They got, they got, they got, uh, chat.
They got Hardinstein.
They're so, they so lucky right now.
They so deep, they guard heavy.
Oh, man.
I don't know.
I just be thinking of different scenarios.
I'm like, man, listen.
Man, the number 12 high point stunts fifth C, Wisconsin, 83.
82.
Chase Johnson made a two-point basket of the season
on the fast break layup with 11.7 seconds remaining.
Johnson finished with 14 points,
including four three-pointers for the Panthers
who were 10 and a half-point underdogs.
He came in shooting 64-132,
48 and a half percent from the three-point line,
but was O and four inside the arc
and he had to play more minutes
406 than more points
without making a two-point shot
than any other player in the country.
Man.
I tell y'all what.
Hey, high point with bowling, huh?
I tell y'all what?
Yeah, hot point was getting.
So one of y'all had,
Ocho had high point, I think.
He just looked at that mascot.
I told you.
Hey, what I was doing?
He just looking at that mascot.
No, I know, I know,
I know, I've seen Rob Martin,
playing. Yeah, that, that, that, maybe I see right.
You don't even know what High Point is. Huh?
You don't even know what High Point is. It's insane.
Wait, I don't know, you know, I don't know where it's at.
It's in North Carolina.
You didn't know where it was. Yeah. Hey.
It used to be known as the furniture capital of the world. Yeah.
Hey, I bet you, I bet your bracket all that stuff now.
We didn't pick, nobody picked. Nobody picked High Point. Yes.
Man, nobody. But I know who picked St. Louis to be Georgia.
Who?
Did you really?
Edited up the Ash.
Ash, I hate him, man.
Man, I think you'll have somebody
work for you to be hate.
No, Joe, what your bracket look like now?
I don't know, Joe, I got to take a look at it.
I got to take a look at it, but I didn't, I wouldn't.
Oh, we're going to show brackets at the end,
but I'm looking pretty good.
I know I'm looking better than y'all to.
No, no, no, no.
My bracket's still intact.
Your bracket is intact.
Hey, look, why are you talking about High Point?
That's who we got next.
That's who the Razorbacks got next.
Y'all got to do something?
Y'all in trouble, Joe.
What you mean we're in trouble?
Yeah, y'all in trouble, Joe.
Hey, Ocho, you remember them blinders you talking about?
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
Hey, hey, tunnel vision, baby.
We focus.
You hear me?
Listen, I know y'all focus, Joe, but who's going to deal with Rob Martin, Joe?
Man, listen.
Hey, look, we ain't worried about that.
I'm just saying they got something for A-Car.
What they got?
Because ain't nobody had the recipe.
Tell me what it is.
I mean, they got the recipe.
Man, please.
Okay.
Hey, hey, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we're fast, athletic.
We cause ruck and put you in, put you in, put you in uncomfortable situations.
Okay, Ocho.
We, you know, we, we, we, we play a good ball, man.
These dudes look good out there, boy, I'll raise the back look focus.
Why you think, my point.
I mean, look, I know where high point is.
As a matter of fact, Byr and son went to high point.
I think it's like a, like a, like a designer school.
Yeah.
You know, yeah.
for like interior design and things like that.
Hey,
guess who they go design on, huh?
It's kind of like,
in the high point of like an artsy school?
Hey, hey, I know they had some boys eating their glass.
Yeah, they had 40 rebounds and 30.
They didn't get that beat that bad on the glass.
They just, you know, Wisconsin didn't put them away
when they had a chance to.
No.
The boy had 22, I mean 27, Blackwell had 22.
A rap had 12, but High Point had five guys in double figures.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah, we locked in.
But I know High Point messed a lot of people brackets up.
Yeah.
Oh, of course.
Of course they did that.
Of course they did.
Who?
Oh, his high school was High Point?
He's from North Carolina.
No, he went to Kentucky.
High Point is the first Big Soft team to win an NCAA tournament game since 2018.
First four when Radford defeated Long Island.
The past also the first Big South team to defeat a higher seed
since the number 11 Winthrop defeated number five Notre Dame
in the round of 64 in 2007.
Yeah, I've been in that high point.
Hey, really?
Yeah, it was called, I don't know.
I don't know.
I think somebody told me that it's not that anymore.
But it used to be called the furniture capital of the world
because all the big furniture, you can just go there
and you get it at wholesale.
Whatever you want.
Yeah.
Yep. Yep.
Anybody, anybody from North, High Point,
is it still called a furniture capital?
Or as, uh, uh, has the, uh, the crisis,
the housing crisis, did that destroy it?
Mm.
Mm.
It still is okay.
All right.
Darius A Cuff scores 24 of the Arkansas breezes past Hawaii,
9778, Daris O'Corp,
A Cuff Jr. had 24 points
and 7 assists.
Arkansas moves on to face number 12
High Point in the second round of the
West Regional.
No, I mean, hey, Ocho, look, we had
all five starters and double figures
today. Yes, sir. That mean,
we're playing great basketball. You're me?
You know, High Point had five starters,
I mean, four starters and double figures
and somebody off the bench in double figures.
That means, look, we had 20, we had
26 assists.
That means we're making plays for everybody.
You feel me?
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're going to be hard to guard, too.
I don't know what you're talking about.
You're talking about them.
What about us?
Okay, yeah.
Y'all nice.
Joe, y'all been nice all year.
What'd you say?
Y'all have to shoot that three ball better.
Y'all was 419 from the 13.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But see, what it is?
See, we hanged a hat on our defense.
Our defense, you know, it puts our offense in overdrive.
You feel what I'm saying?
Because we get turnovers.
get stops and offensively
even though we got young guys at the
helm at the point guard spot
we don't turn the ball over bro
we value every possession we understand
the moment man dude hey they're ready
we locked in all right
they locked in Ocho
it sounds good
when that game monk when they play
uh Saturday
Saturday yeah okay yeah
I'm gonna see you on the show Joe Saturday
yeah I'm on you know who's from high point
who
who? Fantastic
Oh, I know she grew up in a good church over there, boy.
I don't know about the church, but I just know she's my point.
Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, hey, to sing like that, huh?
That ain't never a church background.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's church background.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm saying now.
Oh, and Jasmine Sullivan.
Yes, all right, let's check the brackets.
Let's check the brackets.
Let me see, my.
We forgot the game.
You heard me?
Huh?
What we forgot, man.
We've got the Kennesaw State game.
Tell us about it.
Go ahead.
So who's on top?
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
That's my bracket's on the top.
So let's go hold.
We go get.
I had Duke,
uh,
Louisville,
Michigan State,
Vanderbilt,
Nebraska,
Carolina,
you sorry.
Uh,
I had Houston and I had Illinois.
Uh,
I had Arkansas,
Gonzaga,
Michigan,
St.
Louis.
Uh,
next one is Ocho.
Yeah,
Hey, Ocho.
Ocho had Duke,
Louisville, Michigan State.
He won with Nebraska.
He won with Illinois.
He won with Texas A&M and with Houston.
He won with St. Louis, Michigan, and Arkansas.
Joe.
What we got?
I'm winning.
I don't know, Joe.
No, you're not.
Ocho, why are you asking for a hard?
You and I, Joe.
You had Duke?
had Louisville, you had Michigan State, you had Vanderbilt, you had Nebraska, you had A&M, you
had Houston. Yeah, you had BYU going a long way, Joe.
Dinner? Yeah, you did.
Damn.
Arkansas, Gonzaga, St. Louis, and Michigan.
So you had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven.
You had twelve with, Joe, Ocho had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
10 wins, and I had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 11 wins.
Oh, I'm winning.
Right now, Joe is in first place with 12 wins.
I got 11.
Ocho has to team.
Don't worry about it.
Hey, Chad.
Hey, Chad.
There you go.
Hey, you go.
See, you doing too much, Joe.
You're doing too much.
Can I talk to chat?
Chat.
Chad.
Hey, listen.
Hey, the man don't play by me, okay?
I'm locked in on these boys, man.
These boy can't beat me at nothing.
I'm locked in.
Joe, that's the first round.
First, we got a long way to go, Joe.
I really were talking to chat.
You or Ocho just happened to be on here.
I'm talking to chat.
I'm talking to chat.
Me and Chad having a conversation.
Y'all just so happened to be on here, but there you go.
I had to bear.
Hey, North Carolina mess you up.
No, I had them to win, but then I'm having,
had them lose the next round to Illinois.
Okay, okay, okay.
I ain't worried about Ocho.
Yeah, he picking mascots over there.
We're good.
Ocho, you got North Carolina, you got North Carolina to beat,
had Illinois, got them going on past.
My bad.
I can't worry about it.
I was just going up, you know, prestigious school known for basketball,
you know, making it a foreign tournaments, you know?
I mean, listen.
Yeah, we know.
You picked the mascots.
My bad.
Okay, Ocho, you want to tell us about the Gensaga game.
Hold on.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, Joe.
What's happening?
Hey, listen to my basketball prowess.
Let me see what you got.
Let me hear you out.
Yeah.
Let me know you're ready.
Go ahead.
I'm listening.
Oh, so, listen, the Zags, the Zags, Al's game, it was good.
Obviously, Kennesaw State, being a team that's not as good as the Zags, right, Joe?
Right, right.
You understand what I'm talking about?
So every possession.
matters. Every offensive play matters. You know, when you choose to shoot the ball,
shot selection matters, moving the ball around, keeping everybody moving, finding the right
plays, finding the right shots. Boom, you win in the game. You was winning the game. But
obviously, the better team, the Zags, you know, they came back in one. But what I want to say is,
right, the thing is, I can't remember the big center. I think his last name was Ike. I-E-E-E-E.
For who? For Kenesaw?
For the Zags?
Oh, yeah.
I got, yeah.
Hey, boy, he was here to deal with Down in that block.
Yeah.
Yeah, they was fine.
We were trying to find him.
They were swinging the ball and finding when he could.
He had his way down there.
Then they had a young bull on the Zags, too.
He kept hitting a goddamn three.
He wore number four.
Yeah.
It came out of the bench.
He came off the bench.
He came off the bench.
He getting money at the arc,
and he putting that ball in the flow getting to a spot every time.
Yeah.
I don't think I got Gonzagger.
going far. I know they always discipline Uncle Ocho when they play, you know, they're going to
play a good discipline game, but, you know, I don't think I got them going that far.
Hey, that's not fair, man, too, man.
But Kennesaw State, hey, you know, Kennesaw State, that's Joe, that's us, that's the neck and
right down the street.
Man, let me see. What, let me see. Oh, King Ice, hey, listen, man, hey look, hey look, hey, let me tell
you, Uncle, let me tell you an Ocho or something.
Man, we're coming up on a year, us hanging out.
You know, it's going to, April going to give us a year.
And until the other day, we had been on the, you know,
everything had been on the up and up.
We had all been all good.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It's just when I, when somebody tried me,
I understand.
You know, I got to put the Smackdown.
I got to put out a mean demonstration.
And I hate for it to even go that way.
I really do.
Hey, I mean, you know what?
You, you, hey, Joe, you ever grew up with siblings?
Nope, only child.
Hey, man, you have a girl, uncle, you grew up with siblings, huh?
Man, you know I got a brother and a sister.
Okay, so y'all, y'all, y'all get it to us sometime.
Y'all go through little quarrel sometime, huh?
Man, look at it, man, they got all kinds of stuff up there with you.
Oh yeah. Look at this one.
Yeah, yeah.
Hey, Ocho, I understand where you're coming from.
We're just having a little rip, but we're gonna,
we're gonna go get out of the way.
We still love each other, but we gotta get that fade on that way.
So, listen, Joe, I love you like a brother, Joe.
I love you like a brother, you know?
You feel me?
I love you like you're my son, you hear me?
Yeah, yeah.
You're gonna get this work, though.
Yeah.
Hey, why I'm getting here?
Shit, that's what's going to happen?
What's going to happen?
Yeah, you're talking about what you think?
What you thought was going to happen?
It ain't going to happen like that.
I ain't got, listen, I got discipline in that ring.
My hand definitely ain't fit to be down like that.
I got discipline too, bro.
That's the thing.
So they got, they got Joe, they got Joe with a row.
And Leder Hawk,
roll big three, Joe.
Hey, Joe, look at this one.
They got an Ocho.
That's it.
Hey, they got Pocho.
They call it Pocho.
Ponocio.
Hey, Joe, you're fin of my rad, Joe.
You're going to feel my rad.
Man, Joe, I think Joe to hide
got his own personal graphics team.
Hey, that's the perfect picture he needs to here.
Hey, Joe, listen, Joe, I don't lie.
Anything I say is from, it's life experience.
It's things that I've experienced in life, Joe.
Yeah.
I got you.
I got you, brother.
I got you.
I love you like your brother,
but you're going to feel like you're fighting two people.
When you get in there with me, though, I can see that.
Hey, you know, it's funny.
I don't know.
I don't like, the people on the outside,
they take everything so serious.
Like people.
Bad looking at.
We family.
What are y'all?
Yeah, they write thing pieces and they write in a thing.
Hey, hey.
Hey, oh.
Oh, but Ocho, you got off easy.
They had me on the shade room.
They had me on the Jasmine brand.
They had me on everything.
Shelf, don't love his kids.
He don't love his family.
see why he's single.
I said, I have no problem.
I just said, oh, chose you to gave Joe heads up.
But then, then it came out what actually happened.
The hate room ain't nobody put nothing up there.
Ain't nobody said nothing.
I said, well, damn.
So I'm trying to figure out, y'all deduced, I hate my kids.
I think I did a problem.
I think me and the moms did a pretty good job.
We got three college graduates.
Last one is in residence, got another year of residence and she'll be a fool, a real doctor.
I thought we did a pretty good job.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't love my kids.
I hate my kids.
I don't like my family.
I see why he's single.
And everybody that probably said that single just like me.
That big of me, Joe, they make it see like me and you, the only ones that ain't married.
Everybody else, everybody else that being in the chat, being married.
I was like, baby, that's out of him.
Hey, hey, people in the chat, they're going through the same problems we go through.
Man.
Same everything.
I don't know why everybody be trying to act like they're all perfect and we just happen to live
all in front of everybody else.
That's, that's it.
It's bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, I was like, bro, y'all take this way too serious.
Yeah.
It ain't that serious.
Not.
It's not.
But I, you know what?
But hey, you know what it is, though?
Go ahead, Ocho. What is it?
Hey, Uncle Joe.
What's that?
Know what it is?
It's great entertainment.
It's organic.
It's authentic.
It's authentic.
Nothing is scripted.
These things are happening.
They're recurring in real time.
Yes.
You know, that situation, it was real.
Yeah, it was real.
Yeah.
But we get on here.
We talk about it.
We jab at it.
You know, you get on me.
Yeah.
I accept accountability.
It's a real situation.
But then we keep going, but we do it in an entertaining format.
Right, right.
But everybody, they take it so serious.
Oh, my God.
And he did this.
If I was so-and-so, I wouldn't mess with those children no more.
Wait a minute.
I mean, hey, I mean, they kind of got some points, though.
I mean, I can kind of see where they're coming from a little bit.
You know what I mean?
You can understand.
You might not agree with it, but you understand that joke.
I kind of see what they're coming from.
Listen, hey, Joe, I don't.
I don't because they don't live in no glass house.
They ain't no glass house.
They ain't no better than me.
I think, look, a part of them, some of them do,
some of them not happy for us, Ocho.
Oh, they not.
I think the vast majority, look,
because I think the thing is this,
the street committee, that's what I call the internet.
Yes, sir, yes, sir.
For the most part, when you see somebody out there,
it's all positive.
Yeah.
When I see people out there,
it's all positive.
Yes.
Joe, you see people, it's all positive.
I don't get nothing negative, but on here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't get anything.
Only thing is Twitter and IG, I don't get, I don't have, I mean,
I ain't looked at Facebook in 100 years.
But that's what it is.
But all I'm saying is, if you get something wrong,
you know, be bad enough to, a woman enough to say,
you know what I was wrong.
Right.
But the shade room, you got it wrong.
But instead of saying you got it wrong,
you pretend like y'all didn't hear nothing.
Jasmine, Brandon, everybody else that ran with it,
like y'all ran with it.
Come on back.
Hey.
That's all we ask you to do to come on back.
When Ocho gets something wrong, he'll say,
Uncle, I was wrong with that.
I get something wrong, I'm wrong with that.
But you take a clip, because you can tell the people
that watch Nightcap regularly, he's like, y'all missing the point.
Yeah.
Ocho had asked for the tickets.
O'K ain't said, okay, said he shouldn't have gone to the thing.
O'K said he should have just gave Joe the heads up.
That's all I was saying.
Right.
But they took it, man, don't love his kid.
That's why he'd have went to the game.
He'd went to the game.
Oh.
Hey.
No, I wouldn't.
I don't really schedule anything.
Listen, I, I, man, but we ought to do this.
I was like, hey.
I tell you what.
What?
There's a reason why we the best there is out there.
But sure.
And you can't replicate it.
Nope.
Hey, listen, hey, Uncle Joe,
we ain't got to talk about nobody.
We ain't got to be negative to get,
your views of to be entertaining.
Everything is organic.
The stories are real.
Man.
Yeah.
Hey, but Joe, but after I say all that,
you still gonna get these hands, though.
I give you prime guys, I give you a prime example.
Everybody that had a pod,
what did they talk about?
The hardest story, the trending story was Kenyon.
Yeah.
We didn't talk about that.
Yeah.
Because I don't feel, I don't feel, I didn't feel,
now, if you want to talk about it,
if you want to talk about it, Joe, we could have talked about it.
But I don't feel I have,
anything to add, I didn't feel like I had anything to add to it.
Yeah, yeah.
All this other stuff that was going on.
We don't talk about, we don't talk about other people.
Because I think there's enough stuff happening that we can talk about that without
mentioning them.
Yeah.
Absolutely right.
And people don't want to hear you constantly talk about Shannon Sharp or Stephen A. Smith.
They want to hear you talk about your sports show, so talk about some sports.
Yeah.
Hell, I ain't played sports in a quarter of the century.
But that's what makes us unique.
We talk about sports.
We can make things entertaining.
We take the simplest things and make it very, very entertaining.
People want to be entertained.
At the end of the day, people want to be entertained.
But they don't want to be entertaining
while you constantly trying to berate somebody
and put somebody down.
There you go.
That's the thing.
Okay.
Hell, I ain't did anything entertaining to quite some time.
I'm playing on people that way.
Hey, go ahead.
I take it.
I'll take it into entertainment part.
You hear me?
You say what?
Let me take care of entertaining part.
Let me be the villain.
That's my spiel.
I'll be the bad guy.
Ocho, they taking things that we said in like the first month.
And you and I was joking in the first month of the show.
Yes, sir.
They played it now.
And people say, see, that's why it happened.
Yeah.
Bro, I said that three years ago.
but because you take the clips
you want to paint
try to paint me in a negative light
and people don't know any better
because if it's up there if I post
if we post something today
people are going to assume it was said
today or yesterday.
Yeah.
They're not looking to see you man
he said that about not going to
girls' house three years ago.
Yeah.
Why are y'all talking about it now?
Mm-hmm.
But I get it.
It took me a while.
to understand, like I see what you're trying to do.
Y'all realize what the algorithm is.
Y'all know who's in the algorithm.
Mention his name.
People are going to click.
Hey, Shannon Sharp,
one of Oscar, click.
Shannon Sharp was walking down the street and car broke down.
Click.
It is what it is.
It is what it is now, Ocho.
So we just got to accept that.
We just got a joke. I'm sorry that we roped you into it.
But you, but you're
You're a part of it now, so anything to owe you and I do.
It's a guilty by association.
You guilty by association.
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