Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Warriors beat Rockets to take 2-1 series, Nuggets win a thriller in LA to tie series 2-2!

Episode Date: April 27, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Antoine Walker react to Stephen Curry and the Golden State Warriors beating the Houston Rockets to go up 2-1 and the Denver Nuggets winning a thriller to beat the Los Angeles Clippers to tie the series 2-2!04:00 - Rockets v Warriors30:10 - Nuggs v Clippers(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The first one, Ocho, y'all in trouble. Y'all in trouble. But let's start with the Warriors. With a 104-93 victory, Steph Curry got it going. Hey, when he's off the court, they're not the same team. But he came back, and they're a very different team.

36 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists. They did all of this without Jimmy Butler. They got some timely, I think Buddy Heal had 17 points. GP, the second, I think Buddy Hill had 17 points. GP, the second, two, he came up the bench. Man. And he was

sensational, playing outstanding defense and made some timely threes and he really closed the game out. Steph Curry is the oldest player in NBA history to have a playoff game in which he scored 30 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, with five made threes. Steph Curry assisted or scored on 16 of the 23 points they had in the third quarter.

The Warriors did not score a single basket when Steph wasn't on the court in the first half. That just goes to show you just how valuable he is because he opens it up for so many other people because you have to double him because he has unlimited range. Quan, you're watching this game, and it looked like Houston, like, oh, damn, Houston might go on the road and steal the first one on the road. Playing very, very well. Jalen Green was playing out of his mind.

Shingun, DB Dylan Brooks playing well, but he got in foul trouble. He goes to the bench. What did you like about what you saw from the Warriors, and how were they able to pull this out after being behind the majority of the game? Actually, I really, to be honest, I like the fact that, you know, Steph obviously played great.

You know he's about to have a monster game with Jimmy being out, but, man, Buddy Hill and Gary Payton II, man, came up huge. You know, when those guys score the basketball, they become real dangerous, and that's what they need, because Draymond Grant, at this point in his career, is not going to score the ball.

He's going to do a lot of intangibles. He's going to rebound. He's going to defend. He's going to get some steals. So they got to get scoring for Steph. When Steph, you got to have somebody else that's going to help Steph out. And that's what made it great tonight to see those guys step up. You never know what's going to happen with those.

You know Steve Kerr's been messing with Kaminga this series, too. Hasn't really been letting him play. So you don't know who's going to show up big, especially with Jimmy out, but huge game. Step, yes, step. That's one thing about, you know, Steph probably can win two games in a series by himself. And this was one of them tonight.

Yeah, at this point in his career, Draymond is real. He's never been a scorer. He doesn't really look to score. He's looking to do a great job of handling the ball, setting great picks, rebounding, defending, as you mentioned, and initiating the offense. Gary Payton, the second in the fourth quarter, he had 11.3 rebounds, one assist.

He was 100% from the floor, 100% from the three. He played exceptional in the second. When he got in there, he and Buddy healed, as you mentioned, Twan. Ocho, what did you like about what you saw from the Warriors? I mean, listen, I like what I saw from the Warriors. Obviously, Steph did what Steph normally does, but listen, like Twan said, I thought the Rockets was going to steal a game, especially with

the way they were playing Steph. They had somebody running, tracking him everywhere, all over the court. You know, them young boys, you know, everybody over there young. So they're trying to set screens and set picks. And they're on Steph and they're contesting everything, making every shot difficult all the way up until the half. And listen, he just exploded in the second half, hitting a lot of shots.

But I think one of the reasons with Jimmy Butler being out, obviously you need a Steph to have a game like this thing. And he can go off like this and win a game by himself. He had 36-12 or 23. But the supporting cast, Buddy Hill went crazy with 17. Gary Payton Jr. contributed as well with 16. And the Warriors bench outscored the Rockets 42-31. And that was a major factor in why they were able to win this game.

Well, it looked like they started out early, Twan. They was blitzing him. They was trapping him, getting the ball out of his hands. They want to make him give it up. And if you notice, later in Steph's career, Steph is, sometimes I thought early, he would force the three. Steph doesn't have a problem putting the ball on the floor and going to the basket, not to one.

That makes him dangerous because they've used before, like, hey, nah, bro, we're not worried about you driving the ball so, you know, we're going to hug up on you. Nah, Steph said, nah, he handles too good, bro because I can put it on, I can go behind my back, between my legs, and I can finish with either hand. And he's unafraid to shoot that mid-range also.

So his game, when he gets that three ball going, when he shoots the ball and he's turning, he's talking like, hey, I got something for y'all. Hey, y'all get that up out the net. Be dangerous, Juan, be dangerous. Listen, I just think with Houston, you don't have to respect the fact that Steph Curry is who he is. Obviously, he's one of the greatest players of all time.

You got to double it. Take the ball in his hands. You got to make one of those other guys see if they can get 20, 25 points tonight. You can't allow Steph, especially in the game, once Jimmy Butler was not playing, I would have double-stepped the whole game. I wouldn't have allowed Steph to beat me. I would have seen him come in. I would have seen him buddy- the whole game. I wouldn't have allowed Steph to beat me. I would have seen him come in.

I would have seen him Buddy Hill, Gary Payton II. Even though Buddy Hill and Gary Payton II I thought played terrific tonight. Let's see if they can do it all series long. I'm not going to just let them beat me. I can't let Steph beat me. You know he's going to have one of those nights where nobody's going to be able to.

But you've got to flat-out guard him and double-team him as much as possible and make somebody else beat you if Houston wants to win. Because Houston don't have enough scoring. I love Houston. I love the fact, I love their mentality. I love the way they play. They play hard.

But you know in this league, you got to score some points. They just don't have enough firepower offensively. So if you're not going to be able to score the basketball, you got to defend at a really, really high level. I think the thing is, Tuan, is that they're so athletic and they're used to getting up and down. But you know, come playoff time, they're going to make your ass play in the half court. So you

better be able to run some sets. And that's what's... If you go back and look at Golden State, look at when they made their run. They would have been able to run set. Step is perpetual motion. He's not going to stop. So if you think you got him guarded on one side, you better tell the guy, hey, Harry, come over to you so he can

be on his best behavior. And somebody's going to set a pick. So you have to watch him. You have to keep, literally, keep your eyes on him at all times. Because if you turn your head for just a second, he'll backdoor you. Or they'll hit that flare to him to the corner, and then now he's splashing the three in your

eyes, and you're like, well, damn. And you can guard good for 21, 22, 23 seconds, and he'll let the ball go, and it's splashed, and it's so demoralizing when you play defense for that long, Tuan, and you don't have anything to show for it. Go ahead, Ocho.

No, I'm going to say the same thing. I think the Rockets did a very, very good job in trying to contain him and do as much as they can to disrupt his rhythm, obviously, in the first half. But even though they have the younger legs, they were unable to continue to do that. Obviously, Steph going off. And at some point, he's one of those players, no matter what the game plan is

you just hope to contain them because you're not going to be able to stop them and that's what young boy did tonight yeah the thing is if if he see one or two of them go in and you can you can play the perfect defense and you saw the i mean he'll start falling out of bounds and launching the ball you're like that ain't got no business going in. That should not have fallen. But it does, and it gives him a jolt of energy. So now you got your work cut out for him because, like Twan say, you might have to blitz him or trap him at half court. You got to make him give that ball up and make someone else beat you. I'm going to see, let's see if Buddy Hill can go get 36.

Let's see if Gary Payton II, if he can go get mid-20s because I cannot let Steph do what he does and let these auxiliary guys do what they do by adding to that. If you do that, you're asking for a lot. But I agree with you, Twan. I thought with minus Jimmy Butler, I say, you know what? Anybody but Steph. Anybody but Steph.

A-B-S. Anybody but Steph. AndB-S anybody but Steph and you know what I have a lot of respect for you Doug I think he's one of the great young coaches in the league I just gotta make somebody else beat me I cannot let Steph beat me once Jimmy Butler puts a DNP and he don't put that uniform on

I'm making somebody else beat me I just can't do it I can't see Steph with 37 40 points and really controlling and dominating the game. I'm pretty sure they're going to look at the film and, you know, Douglas is a little stubborn. We all know that. Steph is

probably top 10, top 15 player to ever play the game. Let's respect that and let's double team. Let's respect and double team and force somebody else to beat you. You can't just play hard in those defense unless you got one of those guys. I know Dylan Brooks is his defensive specialist, and he knows he's tough. But if you don't have a guy that's going to chase and run for 40 minutes what Steph is going to do, and a guy that's going to have the ball in his hands

the whole game, just double-team him, get it out of his hands, and make somebody else beat you. Well, I thought Dylan Brooks got in foul trouble. And the problem is that you have is that he knows the type of defense that Dylan Brooks is going to play on him. I think you've got to give him a lot of different looks because it's just like anything. You give a guy enough, he'll build up a resistance to it.

And he'll understand, okay, this is how you're going to play me. This is the way you play. Okay, this is what I need to do. And once Dylan Brooks got in foul trouble, they tried Armin Thompson on him. They tried some other different guys. But now you let him see a couple of those shots go in. And you know

the NBA is such a rhythm game. A guy that might not be one of these great players, he'll see a couple of shots go in. And also, too, don't forget to add Golden State at home. So you know Golden State at home. So, you know, you tend to play better. Not only just the role players play better at home, your main guy play better at home. So, you know, you know, stay at home. So, you know, you tend to play better.

Not only just the role players play better at home, your main guy play better at home. I mean, obviously, you want your star to get you a big game on the road.

But, you know, Steph has huge games in that arena. You got to think about that too, that home crowd too. So, I'm just going to try to disrupt them,

get them out their rhythm. They're missing a key piece. When they're missing Jimmy Butler, that guy that brings so much to their team, you got to double team stuff. There's no other way that you're going to be able to

beat Golden State, especially at home because those others are going to play better at home. It's kind of like an ongoing saying that the others play better at home. They feed off the crowd. You get great production from those guys at home.

Now, if you want that strategy on the road at Houston, okay, maybe. But at home, those guys are going to make shots. They're going to feed off the crowd. And that's when you see Buddy Hill and Gary Payton II have nice nights. Not only did you let Steph go get 36, you let him have nine assists. So now you allow him to bring others to the party. It was supposed to be, hey, I told you it was Steph, not a plus one,

plus two. Steph was supposed to come to the party by himself, Juan. So now you let him meet two other guys in the party. So now it's three. And when it was only supposed to be one, I sent him one. I didn't say a one plus one or one plus two.

I said, Steph, you invited to this party. Okay. Lo and behold, he bring Buddy Hill and Gary Payton to second. Now, look what happened. They all dancing. They

got rid of the DJ. They playing their own type of music. Oh, Joe. They doing what they want. You know, match-ups mean everything to them. You know, sometimes, you know, if I'm used to it, I may not want that match-up. You know, sometimes that can happen.

Because If I'm Houston, I may not want that matchup. Sometimes that can happen. Because their key players are battle-tested in these situations. Houston isn't. You see Steph Curry, Draymond, they've been here, done that. Although Jimmy hasn't won a title, he's taken a team to the NBA Finals twice. So he knows what it's like. Kevon Looney, he's done that. Kaminga and Moody, they was on that team, although they didn't get very many minutes.

They understand these moments. Houston haven't been in these moments before. It is a different type of atmosphere. It's a different type of environment. And you have to be there and be in it to understand what it's actually like. I'm not so sure that these guys understand what it's like. You're like, oh, you have to go through the fire. That's why it's so hard for first-timers to win the championship.

Now, it's happened, but you need to be battle-tested in situations like that, and I don't think Houston is battle-tested enough in that situation. And another thing, Twan, who's their go-to guy? You see, most teams, they got a go-to guy they're going to go to. The Celtics, excuse me, Celtics are going to go either to JT or JB. You got the Clippers, they're going to put the ball in Kawhi's hand or they're going to put it in James Harden. You get the Nuggets, Jamal Murray or Yokes touching that ball.

Lakers, you got LeBron, you got Luka, you got Ant-Man for the opposing team. You got Bankero. I don't know if I can definitively say, I want to get the ball to this guy right here and let him go do something special. I think they're built on, they're an assembly-type team. So, you know, hopefully guys playing well, we can get out on the break and use our athleticism and our youth.

But when they get you in a half-court set, you better have somebody that can go one-on-one. Or it's getting late in the ballgame, you need that person. I mean, hey, Tuan, before you answer, obviously, I think about Van Vliet, you know, a veteran, veteran presence. He's on the court. He's used to being one of the guys that normally has the ball in his hands and can create and make things happen.

But Draylon Green is their guy. He's supposed to be their guy. He's the can create and make things happen. But Jalen Green is their guy. He's supposed to be their guy. He's the one that can make things happen. He can put the ball on the floor. He can create space. He can take people on one-on-one. So collectively as a group, they have to get it done. If, based on what you're saying, if they don't have their Anthony Edwards,

they don't have their Luka or their LeBron on their team or their Steph Curry, Jalen Green has to step up and be that guy, especially in moments like this, and use the youth to their advantage. You just, when you start off with your question, you named everybody a superstar or two on each everybody's team. When you think about Houston,

like you say, Chad, it's by committee. It's not really one guy we can really pinpoint that's going to be that guy. And that's something that eventually the upper management, they're going to have to try to go out there and maybe get a guy, an A-list star to go along with the group they got. Yeah, I would love to see them with a young core like this. I would love to see them with a young core like this,

but they don't have that guy, so this is their first time going through it. So I just think with Jalen Green's still young, doesn't understand, he hasn't played well this series either. He didn't play well at home, and he hasn't really played well. Because you got to think superstars give themselves a chance. He played well in the last game, Twan. The first game, he didn't play well. You got to put that thing up 25 times, 25, 30 times.

I got to give myself a chance. If I'm going to be a superstar, I got gotta give myself a chance, especially on the road. I gotta, I gotta, somebody on that Houston team's gotta stay up. Even if it's Fred, he's been there before. If it's Fred, Fred's been there, get on my back. Somebody's gotta take over. It's not gonna happen.

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Go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead. Go ahead, Mickey Ocho. I want to ask Tuan. Hey, Tuan, based on team to team, now you could probably give me a little help on this. Team to team, obviously you have certain players that have the green light to be able to put the ball up and shoot whenever they want, regardless of where they're missing, trying to get themselves in the rhythm.

Isn't Jalen Green that guy that has that green light to be able to do that? Oh, without question. He definitely has that green light. He's probably the only—he's probably 1A, and I'm going to say Fred may be 1B. The guys that have the green light, they can just come down and shoot. I'm going to just say those two guys have it. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Jalen Green did not play well.

He was 4 of 11, 1 for 5. It was kind of a very similar situation in game one in which they played and they ended up losing that game, and the game really wasn't close. They made a run at Golden State late in the ballgame, but the game, I think the closest they got was maybe 4-6 with like a minute to go. But he has to play better. I don't think Fred Van Fleet has played well this year.

Now, I know he's been nicked, Antoine, and I know he's more than capable. That's why he got the big money to come to Toronto. But he hasn't played well. And in order for them to win, because he's the one that's been in these situations with Toronto, he won a championship. So he knows what it's like. But I think in order for them to have a chance, he's going to have to play much better than what he's playing. I got so much respect for you, Doka. I don't think the series is over.

But this is going to be a deep series. I think Houston has a chance to make some adjustments. They can see what they did wrong and really respond to this. Because you don't know how long Jimmy's out. We haven't got the word how long Jimmy's going to be out. If Jimmy has to sit a couple games, this series is still wide open. Now, if you get Jimmy back, they're probably going to be a little outnumbered to be able to beat the Golden State Warriors.

But if Jimmy's not going to sit out, which I'm probably sure Steve Kerr is probably going to say, hey, you might as well take one more. Yep, I agree. He's going to probably say, take the next game off. Let's get you to 100% and get you back to 100%. So I just think this young team, this is their first time going, and we got so much respect for them because they had such a great season, and they have three seed.

But they're inexperienced a little bit. You see some of the... Well, I'm sorry, two seed. You're right. So we put a lot of thought that they're going to be really good, but you see the mistakes. You're seeing them right now throughout the game and throughout the series, the mistakes that they're making. And I don't know if they're going to be able to recover.

Steph is too good. They got them veteran guys. Everybody on Golden State have been in meaningful games throughout their career. It's going to be hard to beat Golden State. This was the game they needed. Without Jimmy tonight, you could have put a little pressure on Golden State. Now I think Golden State feels good about themselves. But when you think about it,

you thought about all the teams that could potentially be the seventh seed. I think all of them pretty much would have been favored. If the Clippers were the seventh seed, I think they would have been favored over Houston. I think damn near anybody.

Minnesota, I think they would have been favored over Houston. Golden State is favored over Houston. I think Lakers would have been favored. I don't see a scenario because of their youth and because of the lack of,

because every team that I mentioned, they have a bona fide superstar. Some have two. The Nuggets, we know what you're up to. You just said the magic word. You just said the magic word. You know this.

You've got to have superstars play all the time. During the season, because your legs are fresh and you guys know there's still a season and everything else, young guys are going to have fresh legs. Older guys,

it's going to take them a while to rev up, but come playoff time, they know how to win. They know how to preserve. There's no back-to-back games. Nobody ever talked about that. I always tell people there's no back-to-back games. So you get time to get that body, get rejuvenated, get in the cold tub, get

yourself back together. That's why it doesn't bother Golden State, a team like that that has some veterans on their team. They're going to get a couple days off, they're right back at it, but they can't get the rest. But these young guys got to understand that and figure out different ways to be effective. I think with Houston, you have to respect what they have, and that's double team stuff.

You can't let Steph beat you. If I'm your doker, I'm going to put my pride to the side. I know they want to be this tough defensive team, and you probably have a couple guys that can guard individually. I'm going to respect Steph as a top-ten player to ever play this game, and I'm going to double-team him and make Buddy Hill, make Gary

Payton, is that a second? Beat me. Moody, Kaminga, somebody. They got to beat me. I'm going back in the old school days. I'm running across half court, I'm chopping Steph. Just forcing that out of his hand a little bit. Making some other guys take some shots.

You can't have a night like tonight where you get four or five other guys in double figures and Steph gets 30. That's going to be tough to beat in that way. You're absolutely right. And another thing, you look, I'm central.

I ain't going nowhere. Because guess what? I ain't got to play. I ain't got to play in Orlando and then leave that night and go to Miami and then come back up the road and go to Atlanta and then I hit Charlotte and then I'm up to Baltimore I ain't got no long road trade

I'm here so I might be here for four days but I'm here I don't have any travel whereas in the regular season you got traveling like you said those young lads can take advantage now we stationary we ain't going nowhere until we leave and have to go back home well that favors a team that's been there that knows what it's like to be in situations like this and to be able to like to to to like okay this is what we need to do lock in this right

here and yeah teams that have been here oh joe they know how to put you in the half court set. You got to be able to. They're not going to let you get up and down. They're not going to let you get up and down. You've got to execute in the half court set. And execution normally comes from guys that have been there and have tried to keep saying superstar players. Look at the teams and look at they have at least one. Some of them have two superstar players that understand this moment

and how to get it done. Go ahead. It's the reason why Golden State made the trade they did for Jimmy Butler. They wasn't going to leave. They knew they couldn't continue to leave Steph Curry on that island by himself. Don't get me wrong. I love Draymond Green. He's probably going to be a Hall of Famer.

But Draymond Green is not a scorer. He's more of a utility player. He's going to get you four or five rebounds, six, seven assists, play defense. He's going to do all the intangibles. But they needed another bona fide scorer to go along with Steph Curry. And that's why you saw the addition of Jimmy Butler. So that's the same thing with Houston. You're figuring this out right now.

You had an exceptional season. I'm not saying the series is over, but you have to respect what you got right now on the roster. You don't have a guy, you don't know

who's going to get 25 or 30 for Houston. We got to wait and see. You know what I mean? We don't know right now. We waiting to see who's going to show up. And you're asking

some young guys. Jenna Green, these guys first time around in the rodeo, second time playing meaningful games like this. It takes some time. But you gotta respect Steph. I'm gonna say, I would love to see you, Doka.

Don't be stubborn. Respect Steph. Double him and make somebody else beat you. That's how I wanna go. Hey, Unc, I mean, listen, to make the series obviously interesting, also the head coach, Idoca, he could go talk to Van Vliet. He could talk to Brother Green and say,

man, listen, in order for them to have a chance, not only are we going to double step and do what we need to do defensively on him, you got the exertion of injury, but on the offensive end, man, y'all, if you see it, pull it. If you see it, pull it every time. I need you to put up 22, 25 shots a game. It's the only way. Because we don't have

a bona fide superstar. I need one of y'all to fill that role and put your cape on. Yeah, but if they don't win this game, it's over because I don't believe

they can beat them three times in a row. If Golden State win this next game at home, it's over. Series over, Tuan. They're not beating them. They're not beating them three games in a row.

No, this was the big game at night. You need to still listen. You let one slip away on your home floor, which obviously that kills you. You would love to go on to Golden State up 2-0. That didn't happen. So when that doesn't happen, you know, you got to win game three to get control back of the series.

Now it's back to Golden State because now you're able to win one without Jimmy. Now he gets two games off now with a couple days sprinkling their rest. So you don't even have to bring him back because worst case scenario, you 2-2. So now you get Jimmy to get a chance if you get a few extra days rest. This is going to be tough for Houston because they're going to have to find scoring. I don't know where that's going to come from. They're still young. Jabari Smith, those young guys don't have

enough mental toughness to say, hey, I'm going to get 20 shots up. They ain't did it all year. They play by committee. You know what I mean? They're not going to shoot the ball and be aggressive like that. It's going to be tough to do that, but they're going to be competitive. They're going to be games like tonight. They're going to compete.

Your dunk is going to have them ready, but I just think they're a little outmatched. Sometimes matchups matter in the playoffs, and I think they're a little outmatched right now. Say, Twan, so there's no scenario in which you see— Tonight's a good game. Yeah. So there's no scenario in which you see the Rockets even having a chance? You really think this series is over? You got to win. With no Jimmy Butler, you really think this series is over? You got to win.

With no Jimmy Butler, you got to get the win. And so you can now, you know, I'm assuming that Steve Kershner will probably, Steve Kershner will probably be down the line. I think you'll win him again. Maybe I can get Jimmy a couple extra. Yeah, me too. So you rest Jimmy again. Worst case scenario, you're still 2-2.

I still like Golden State in that scenario. Right. You're going to have to win tonight. I think tonight you had to take over the series, and then you build that confidence, and then now Jimmy may want to play the next game. He's not feeling 100%. You know what I'm saying?

Now he comes back, and now he can kind of throw that rhythm off a little bit. But now I think the momentum is completely in Golden State's hands. They in control of the series now. The most interesting game of the night, the Nuggets and the Clippers. And all of these games, with the exception of Game 3, have come right down to the end. The series is now tied

2-2. And Twan, I don't know if you're old enough to remember, when this happened, the first thing went through my mind. NC State, Houston, 1983, and Albuquerque, New Mexico. Gary Wittenberg shoots the shot. Lorenzo Charles dunks it in at the buzzer.

They beat Elijah Wan, Clyde Drexler, that great Houston Cougar team, coached by Coach Guy Lewis, rest his soul, and they pull off the national championship. Very, very similar situation. Replay Center officials confirmed the ruling. It was a good basket. The ball was out of his hand when the buzzer went off. According to ESPN research, Aaron Gordon Dunk was the first ever game-winning

buzzer-beating dunk in NBA postseason history. Jokic, he Jokic. Look, Shays going to win the MVP. Jokic is the best player in the NBA. 36 points, 21 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals. He joins

Giannis as the only player with a 35-25 playoff game over the last 20 seasons. He was great when he needed to be great. And I don't know what adjectives or adverbs or whatever we want to use to describe this man, Thuan, but we can't sing his praise or heap praise on him enough. That third quarter was a thing of beauty.

They stretched the lead to 20. But I know, you know, I'm noticing this and tell me am I delusional? When teams get down, it seems like everybody likes to jump into that zone. The Clippers jumped into a zone and it really threw them off their rhythm

because the guys started taking early threes. Michael Porter Jr. took a couple. I think Aaron Gordon took a couple. I think Murray took a couple. And it allowed them to get, and they started trapping for some turnovers, and they got themselves back into the ballgame. But the Nuggets absolutely had to win this game in order to make this a series. I can see

this being a seven-game series. What did you like about what you saw from the fight and the determination? Because normally, Twine, you have a lead that big and you lose it and the team take the lead. You're like, uh, we cooked. Honestly, you know, whatever championship team, you're just seeing it

right now. Those guys been in the wars they've been there before they don't get rattled i think with the clippers and you just alluded to it a little bit you got to pick your poison i mean don't get me wrong yokus is going to get his numbers but you got to decide it's going to be 36 or 26 and what i mean by you got to double him you got to double him with a purpose i can't get him get a triple double with 30 because now the chess side you're going to lose. I can't get him to get a triple-double with 30. Because now, the chance is you're going to lose that game if he's able to get 30 points. You have to make

Murray, you have to make Gordon, you have to make Michael Porter Jr. beat you. You have to decide. T. Lewis has a great basketball mind. Jeff Van Gundy, I know is over there orchestrating the defense. You can't let him have his cake and eat it too. Y'all guys are going to get sad too when you ever got your cake and eat it too.

You can't give them both. You gotta take away one. And they didn't do that tonight. When you look at the numbers, you see 36, 21, and 8, that means that he did everything. Yeah. You gotta take... 8 assists. Yeah, I'd rather them have 15 assists and 20 points. Now, normally,

it's not got a chance. But if you're gonna give them 30 points, they don't have a chance to beat them. The Clippers got to remember, the Clippers are missing a really important piece of the scoring from last year. Obviously, Paul George is a big piece to replace on the scoring side. Norman Powell was great today. They're not getting much at the

point guard position as far as scoring, if the Clippers are not. They're kind of doing that by committee. I think the big fella's playing as good as he can play. Zubac, he's playing unbelievable. You're playing against arguably the best center ever to play the game. He may end up as the best center ever to play the game. You're playing him one-on-one most of the time

and trying to guard him and score. So they're doing a good job in that sense. I just think the Clippers have to make a decision. We can't give them both. Which one are we going to give them? Are we going to make them a passer, or are we going to let them be a scorer? I ain't going to lie to you.

He's that good. I don't know which one to do. It's hard. Yeah, I'm going to have to watch. I'm going to have to really watch the film, Chad. I ain't going to lie. I got to watch the film and figure out maybe the percentages.

You know these guys are all analytical now. So maybe he's got maybe some percentages that can tell you which way to go. But man, I can't sit and watch him

do both. But this is the thing too, right, Tuan? Listen, what happens if you do double him? You catch him up top, you catch him down in the post, and you double him.

Force him to kick the ball out. But when you have Michael Porter Jr., Christian Braun, you got Jamal Murray playing and contributing the way they are tonight, it wouldn't matter if he does get 20. If he doesn't get 30, they going to counter for the points that he does score with the way they played tonight. Well, I want to see them get five guys with double figures again. I'm going to try to lose that way, but I'm going to lessen that 30.

I'm going to make that 36-23 at least. Right. I don't want it to be 30. It can't be 36 and five guys and double figures. That's what happened tonight. You get that. You can't nobody beat them like that. Right, right, right.

And plus the thing is that you let him get it in an efficient manner. Now, if he gets 36 and it took him 30 shots, you can live with that, Twine. Great point. That's a great point. You let him get those numbers in an efficient manner. He's 14 to 25. Yeah, that's a great point. You let him. If I got, I know Jeff Van Gunney.

We all know Jeff Van Gunney. Great defensive mind, one of the greatest defensive minds, the coach of basketball. He has to, he's won against Michael Jordan. He's won against Kobe Bryant. He's won against Kobe Bryant. He's won against some of the greatest scorers that ever played a game. You've got to decide which one.

You can't just take both of them. You can't just let this guy, you can't, you can't take the, you can't take the triple, double, and the 30 points. You can't let that happen.

I got to, you got to make a decision on whether or not I'm going to double team this guy and make him a passer. Nuggets only hit 10 threes tonight. They didn't hit a lot of threes. They hit 10.

The Clippers hit 10. So you're even in the three-point category tonight. So I got to take my chances. I'm going to respect this guy could possibly be the MVP again. He's probably one of the top five greatest centers to ever play the game. You have to respect guys.

That's what I'm saying about Steph. You have to respect guys and what they bring to the game and how much a difference they make played a game. You have to respect guys. That's what I'm saying about Steph. You have to respect guys and what they bring to the game and how much a difference they make to their team. I can't let Joker have both of them. That's just me. I'm not going to...

And T. Lou, you got to figure out, I'm not going to let him do both. Yeah, I thought, you know, the other night he had a triple-double, but it was, you know, in a losing effort. I mean, he was...

I mean, he's... He's... There's a reason why he's won three MVPs in the last five years. He's probably going to finish second this year. He's been second every other time that he didn't win the award. I don't think this year's going to be any different. He's sensational because we've never seen a center that can do all that he can do

on the offensive end. He has no weakness. Footwork is impeccable. He can shoot the three. He has a turnaround. He can play with his back to the basket. He can run the offense. Hey, you come with a double team, he knows,

oh, that's you. So, my man, this guy's supposed to be over here. Without even looking. Whoop. Whoop. Whoop. He's that kind of an IQ basketball player. That's what I mean. He's that kind of an IQ basketball player. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. You got to respect him.

Respect his skill set. Respect what he brings to the table. And try to take something away. And then you got to try to double team, get a ball out of his hands, make somebody else beat you. I want to take my chances. If it's me, I'm going to double team him.

And I'm going to see how many Michael Porter, Jamal Murray, Aaron Gordon, I'm going to see how many shots those guys can make. I'm going to see if oneam him, and I'm going to see how many Michael Porter, Jamal Murray, see how many shots those guys can make. I'm going to see if one of those guys can go off. I'm going to double-team Jep to frustrate him. Get it out of his hand. They need to get a little bit more from Chris Dunn. I thought Kawhi played really well, especially in that fourth quarter. He was really good.

Zubas is giving you everything. I mean, he's giving you what he averaged in the second half, that fourth quarter. He was really good. Zubas is giving you everything. I mean, he's giving you what he averaged in the regular season, 19 and 12. Harden, I like to see Harden be a little bit more aggressive. He only took 11 shots. I like to see Harden around 15 to 18. I think he's trying to pick his spots. If you

kind of watch him, he's not overly aggressive. He's trying to get his teammates involved. But I think at certain times he has to be aggressive. He's trying to get his teammates involved. But I think at certain times, he has to be aggressive. When they go to that Ben Simmons lineup, Ben Simmons ain't even... Ben's not even looking at the basket, Shane. He ain't even looking at the basket.

You know what I'm saying, Shane? He's not looking at the basket. So by him not looking at the basket, bro, he in the game, he's kind of like, you know, he's on their team. It's six against four when he's not looking at the basket. So that may be a time where James go, you know, get into his one-on-one game and try to be a lot more aggressive. But I do agree with you on, you need, it's them Knights.

You need that 30, that 35, like, you know, when Kawhi, Kawhi went on and had that 30, 35-point performance. You need James and Kawhi guys to go get those numbers because you're not going to get much at that center spot besides when Ben is in the game. And I know they like to play that lineup because they get Denver kind of confused a little bit

and everything. But Ben is a pretty good defender. I am going to say that. He is a pretty good defender. He still can play defense. But offensively, he's such a liability. It's hard to watch sometimes. I can't believe that he's such a liability right now.

Hey, Tuan, somebody like Ben Simmons that has all the potential, obviously, at one point, and what I thought, based on what I heard and what I've seen, at what point mentally does the confidence kick in and he understands how good he can actually be and he finds himself getting the rhythm and he finds

himself getting confidence. I mean, I don't understand what the issue is based on him. If you look at him, you understand what he can do. He can play defense. He can score if he had the confidence and willingness to shoot the ball, whether it be mid-range, whether it be three, whether it be taking people off the dribble to the hole. It's like he doesn't want to do anything. I don't want to scare. I've seen him, a clear layup right there, and it's wide open,

and he'd rather pass it off. I think at this point it's going to take a coach that honestly believes in him, play him extended minutes minutes and force him to be aggressive offensively. You have to really basically force him to be that. You know, remember he was playing a lot of point guards

towards the end before he left. Obviously he left New Jersey. I mean, Brooklyn. But he has to like, you have to put him in position where you have to force him to be a score, to be a playmaker.

Like him playing at center, if I was Lou, I would let him bring the ball up the court against Jokic, maybe put him in a pick and roll, maybe he could turn the corner. The Jokic can't guard him in the open court. But you're bailing him out. You're bailing him out by not letting him be aggressive offensively for what you just talked about, Chad,

because he don't want to shoot the ball. He don't want to be aggressive and attack the basket. That's what's bad about that situation. So me personally, I think that ship's sailed because there were times that he had the ball in his hand at Philly and he wasn't aggressive. And, you know, Joel Embiid said what he said. Doc Rivers said what he said.

You see, the thing is, and I use the analogy like this, Twan and Ocho. I can teach you to swim if you're not afraid of the water see if you're afraid of the water i can't teach you how to swim you see i like that twine you said he's afraid of the basket so i can't teach him how to be aggressive you see a guy that's not afraid of the basket hey i miss it okay okay oh well the next one don't go in that's not how he sees it plus if he gets fouled he doesn't want to go to the free throw line because he gots the yips there. So now I'm not looking to score, and I'm not looking because they might foul me and put my butt on the free throw line.

So I'm afraid of the water, so I really won't ever be able to do anything but doggy power stand up in the kiddie pool. I'm really not going to try to get my – I'm not going to put my head up under the water. Go back and look at it. You're right. I like what you said is 100% accurate, and I think that, but I think what T. Lewis is looking at is that maybe I got a quicker guy. He's been a great

defender in this league. Jokic is not a guy that plays above the basket. He plays below the rim. That's a guy that I could probably put on Jokic and mix it up a little bit. Ben Simmons is probably 6'10", 6'11". Easy. What? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out. He what? He's about 6'10", 6'11". Easy. What? You know what I'm saying? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Time out. He what? He's about 6'10", 6'11", Chad. Yeah, for sure. That's why he's playing center. That's why he's playing center. Yeah. He's that big.

He's a big kid. Yeah. I'm thinking he's 6'5", 6'6". No. Oh, no way. No, no, no, no, no. The shortest he may be is 6'9". That's the shortest he may be. 6'10", 6'6"? Nope. Oh, no way. No, no, no, no, no. The shortest he may be is 6'9". That's the shortest he may be.

6'10". 6'10", yeah. Yeah, I think the shortest he is 6'10". Yeah. And he's supposed to be out there dogging it, man. I'm talking about, like, man, stop. Stop playing with me. That boy didn't get a $100 million contract

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See, what concerned me is that I didn't see him get any better from his rookie year till now. Go back and look at all the guys that got these big contracts. Have you seen Shea get better? Have you seen Jalen Brown get better? Have you seen Jason Tatum get better? Have you seen Luka? Have you seen Jalen Brunson? Look at all the guys.

Austin Reeves is a prime example. It's hard if you put the time in the gym for you not to get incrementally better, Antoine. It's just hard. For you to stay the same tells me you're doing the same thing. Look at those guys and how they've evolved and how they've gotten better and better. Look at Kawhi. Kawhi wasn't no scorer when he got in the league. Kawhi gave you about 12, 13.

Now Kawhi can give you 26, 27 when he's healthy because you see the work that he's putting in. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going to be honest with you. You guys know this as athletes and we are athletes. You know, sometimes guys don't want it, man. You know what I mean? We can want them to have it. We see all the individual talent he showed us, glimpse from when he

in college, his first couple years in the league or how great he can be. And what you just said, if he hasn't decided to put that into work, and I love T. Lou. T. Lou is one of the best coaches in the league and great motivators. And if T. Lou can't get him to play basketball at a level

that's going to just contribute and help a team, I don't know where you go from here. This is like the perfect scenario. You don't have to have the ball in your hands. You got a guy like Kawhi that's scoring the ball. All you got to do is do the perfect scenario You don't have to have The ball in your hands You got a guy like Kawhi that's scoring the ball All you got to do Is do the intangibles On the team

But they need to step up You can't get donuts from them You can't You got to get some You got to get something Out of them He had two points tonight Hey

Hey Twan Hey Yeah I tell you what he could do I tell you what he could do Tell Ben Simmons Come on down here to Miami and hang with me for six months.

We're going to get him mentally right. 6'11"? Yes. All this time I've been watching basketball, I think, you know, I think young boy,

I'm thinking he's 6'6", you know, 6'5". I'm thinking he's scared to shoot the ball. Obviously, being in Philly, you know how Philly fans are. They do not play. They will boo you

in your own stadium. So I'm thinking, okay, maybe he's a little reluctant to pull the trigger. He doesn't want to go to the free throw line. I understand it. I know how hard it is when you miss shots and you're feeling down to yourself. But then you have to deal with the fans. Okay, boom, that's one thing. But then I think about, well, damn, still as many years as it's been,

you got your big deal and you still haven't got that confidence in you to be able to just at will just play the game you've been playing since you were young, basketball. All you got to do is take the ball, put that motherfucker in the hoop. Excuse me. Now, my mentality on him is now changing because now you're telling me he's 6'10", 6'11", and he's playing like he's 5'10". I swear to God, bring him on down here to Miami. I get it right. Because, hey, Tuan, you got to understand, bring them on down here to Miami. I get it right.

Hey, Tuan, you got to understand, I'm in high school. I was only 6'4", but I averaged 56 a game since my freshman year of high school. You got proof of that? Do we got proof of that? No. Listen, every night, every game, Tuan, I was 56, 12, and 9. 56, 12, and 9. Same scoreline, but I chose to play football instead.

But I'm just thinking like you know UD a few guys down there I can get the facts checked oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah I played against UD I dunked on UD twice yeah yeah

as UD as UD brought me in high school boy I was the real deal I was like I was a mix between like Russell Westbrook John Marant and and Kevin and Kevin Durant.

I was a little bit on that. I'm going to say this. I never seen you play. So just a little back story. I played with Donovan McNabb, who's a great basketball player. So I'm not going to say. I played with Donovan McNabb, great basketball player. Wait, he's a who?

Oh, yeah, big time. He signed with Syracuse as a two-sport athlete. You didn't know that? Yeah. All right, Donovan McNabb, two-sport athlete. Donovan averaged 20 points a game for me. That was my second- 20?

That was my second-leading score. Donovan McNabb. Okay. Yeah, so I can't say that you can't play because I know I don't see football players be really good. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I can't say that you can't play because I know I don't see football players be really good. Yeah, so I'm... Well, listen, I was so good. I was so good.

Obviously, I could have played for the Heat with Ronnie Cycli. Like, they were trying to get me back then. But my grandma, she wasn't on that. You got any footage? Huh? You got any footage? Yeah, on VHS. I got the tapes right here in the cover.

Okay. Let me see the footage. I got the tapes right here in the cupboard. Okay I'm a real hooper like I'm from New York One I get what you said Oh Joe y'all get what y'all saying But the old saying is either to teach teach a child to repair a broken man And I think right now... Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, wait. Stay right there.

I understand what he's saying. I understand what he's saying. I got him. You want to write it down. You want to write it down. Yeah. You want to write it down. Because if you notice,

kids learn to swim easier than a grown person because the kid has no inhibitions of the water. You see them throw them babies in there and the first thing they do, they go in their back. Hey, you tell them one or two times, Twan, and they get to their back.

Now, you know, y'all know this in sports. You know, sometimes you can get with that coach, right? And I played with T. Lou, and T. Lou's a good friend of mine. And I just thought T. Lou would probably be that guy that can instill that confidence in him to be a lot better.

Now, I didn't say he had to go out and get 15, 20 points a night. But, you know, like you just said, he can't have two points. You're going to play U.S. 10-0. If you're going to have two points, let's do some of the stuff you used to do. Get six, seven rebounds. Have four, five assists. Have an impact on the game because he's too talented. And for whatever reason, I don't know if he's

lost it, but I thought with T. Lou being there and being under T. Lou that he would be able to get that out of him. Then when I seen him in the rotation, I was like, yes, this is perfect for him because he's going to get an opportunity with a great coach that's going to put him in a great position to do the best. I like

the Clippers' mindset put Ben Simmons at the center spot. Let's mix it up a little bit and see if we can get Joker. But if he don't give you enough offense from you guys, there's no purpose in playing Ben Simmons. There's no purpose.

Because Joker's weakness is defense. Well, Ben Simmons is not a threat at that. So he doesn't do any good. And plus, he's not playing well enough for T. Lou to give him extended minutes. So the amount of minutes that he's playing, he's not going to be able to get you the points, the rebounds, and assists that he would if he was playing a full game.

What's up on that? That's a great point. Listen, I know you're not a tape recorder, but I need you to rewind that quote because I went to get my pen and pad. I didn't have it on me. Something about a child. Something about a child. It was a good one.

I need that because I got, you know, I got 50-11 kids, and I need to be able to use that in my next argument. Yeah, it's easier to teach a child than to repair a broken man. Stop. Stay right there. That's what I'm talking about. Next time they ask for some money. Next time they ask for some money.

I like that, too, child. I like that, too. Yeah. And so that's the problem. No matter how you slice it, Ben is broken when it comes to the offensive end. Can he still slide his feet? Yeah.

He's still 6'10". I mean, he ain't going to shrink. Looks good. Still in great shape. Look really good. He looks really good. But like you said, he gets the ball. Unless it's uncontested, he ain't even looking at the rim.

He's looking to pass it off. He's looking to drive and kick. He's looking to do something other than score for himself. And he realized that. So the double team is always going to come from him. Yeah, that's true. Put him around some folks in the offseason. I'm telling you it it happens

no you put a chihuahua listen um you put a chihuahua with some pit bulls in a cage at some point he becomes what he's surrounded by but you know the small dogs what do they do they walk up to the big dogs because they don't know they're small so you're telling me that's what i need to do that's what he needs to do he needs to go and place himself in that environment because you see as twan said we're wanting something from ben more than he's wanting it for himself you see i can't want that for you you gotta you got to want that you've got to want to be great so you know what man hey ain't no reason for me to be 16 and averaging three points a game he's supposed to be doing what katie doing i'm not saying he's katie katie is one of the greatest scores of all time i'm just saying the skill set the height and size i mean the length that you do

have you know and you're a two-way player because you can do you can do well you only show it on the defensive side of the ball you play good defense and you should be able to you know play taking people out down in the block down in the post, mid-range. Man, take people off the dribble. What are we doing? His confidence gone, though. Man, both of you guys are Hall of Fame athletes. You know that when your confidence gone, man, it's gone. You know you can't do nothing, man. You know we play

our games with confidence. That's when we get our confidence, I swear. He don't have that. You can just see it. You know you got to play this game with swag. You have to. You have to play it. Coaches can't give have that. You can just see it. You know he's got a pretty good sweat. You have to. You have to play it. Coaches can't give you that.

You have to have a self-belief that I'm the baddest mofo out here. Yes. And at some point in time, they broke his confidence. They broke his confidence because the best player said, hey, we had a dunk and we ended up making a free throw. And they asked Doc, could you win a championship with a point guard like Ben? He says, I don't know. Instead of saying, of course you can, because

the guy, he's an all-star player and he's an all-NBA defender. That's what he should have said. Joel Embiid said, hey, it's unfortunate. Hey, well, I wish we could have got an and one, but don't say, yeah, we had a layup and we ended up making a free throw. Because now the best player and the head coach doubted me. I've already had some doubts seeping in.

Because normally coaches like, you feel like, hey, son, shoot that shot. I drop a play for Twan because I know Twan is confident in his ability and he's going to go out there. Every time. I drop a play for him, he's going to go out there. Every time. I drop a play for him, he's going to somehow try to find a way to break it down and pass it to somebody else. Yeah.

How do you let something like that bother you? How do you let something like that bother you? In order to be great, people are going to always be chirping. Sometimes the calling will be coming from inside the house. Sometimes it'll be your own people. I don't care. No disrespect.

Marvin Lewis, if you were to say, you know what? Boy, I'm sick of Chad out there celebrating. I'm sick of it. I ain't stopping nothing because that's how I get in my rhythm. Right. Hey, Chad, I'm going to tell you something, Chad. I can agree with you on that. You know I used to dance after I'd shoot threes.

Oh, I know about that. Should we stop playing? Hey, look. And I play. I promise. There after I'd shoot threes. And I was like, I don't know about the shimmy. Stop playing. Hey, look. And I played. I promise. There was one coach, Don Nelson. I got traded to the Mavs. And he was the only coach that tried to stop me from dancing.

What? Yeah. He was like, hey. He was like, Walt, I don't want to see you dancing. But it was already in my blood. I couldn't stop it. Right. So I get a hell of a lot of this coming.

You know what I'm saying? But that's a great point you made. understand what you said with that yeah i'm gonna do my i'm gonna do my thing yeah every every time every time i don't care i don't care but i don't care but i'm no disrespect obviously with all due respect to ben simmons and the game of basketball in general, there is nothing nobody can say. If I was in that environment with that kind of side, with that kind of height, with that kind of skill, with my mentality, there's a certain effect that you can't coach is either in you or it's not. Kobe had it. Michael Jordan got it.

AI got it. John Aron got it. Anthony Edwards got it. You can't coach that. That's it's just in you. And I don't understand. You can't coach that. It's just in you. And I don't understand, how can you be like that and then play so small? I'm going to make this last point, and then we're going to move on a little bit, guys.

If you think about it, yeah, Kobe had confidence. But think about what the coach did in a game against Utah. Who took the last shot? They put the ball in 17-year-old's hands. So now I got confidence. You might have confidence, but if somebody don't give you a situation for you to showcase, now what? What do I do with it, Ocho? He drew up a play

and let a 17-year-old with all those veterans on there, Kobe airballed it. But it showed him. Yeah. They got confidence in old O old cold now he goes back into the gym and he comes back a different player well you know some people don't get it man some people just don't get it damn man it's way six 11 man i have a nigga in the post

i see you got a good ball back there. That's a good Wilson ball. I like it. Oh, hey, let me tell you something. Hey, this ball right here, right? This is a special ball. This ball means must be. I'm supposed to have it enclosed in a case because, listen,

the greatest score, not score of all time, but the NBA player who leads the NBA in most points ever scored, gave me this ball. As soon as it went in the bucket, they hid it. They taped it up. He signed it for me. This is LeBron James, 50K point ball. And he signed it for me.

I just want to show you that. He didn't put it in cursive, huh? He just put cage. He just put cage he just put cage yeah yeah yeah let's fight Jokic was seen making adjustments and subs when a player does this is he undermining David Edelman

because right before the half right before the half the ball got the half of third quarter and he's like hey give me Jordan. DeAndre Jordan, come in here. Come in here. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You saw that too?

Yes, I did see that. And he's been making a lot of substitutions. You like that? I mean, what's going on? I don't like it because, I mean, let me be honest with you, not to go back into the past, but Mike Malone, a championship coach who done a terrific job coaching that team, got fired. And it seems like the players had sold him out now. Now it seems like that's what it was because of Jokers doing that.

I mean, Jokers at a place right now, obviously, you know, where he's controlled the franchise and obviously, like you just talked about, he's probably going to win another MVP trophy. He's going to be close. He'll probably get another MVP trophy.

So I do understand a coach, him having to say so, but you still can't undermine the coach. You have to listen to the coach. You got to let the coach make his adjustments.

That's his job. You never want, as a player, to have that responsibility. I never want to be able to control who's in the game, who's not in the game. I can always suggest. I can suggest something,

but I don't want to be doing that, especially overminding the coach. It looks bad. And then it trickles down to the other players. You know that on a team. Some guys think they can do it. You know, it's kind of, you know, I go back to the simple rules

that what time you got to be on the bus what time you got to be you know be up there practice it just it just goes down the line you know what I mean so you never want to start that so it just it seems like well I saw that like yeah this is probably why Malone probably got fired they probably had a lot

of extra stuff going on you know what I mean but you know it's tough Jokic Jokic is probably going to. You know what I mean? But, you know, it's tough. Joker's probably going to be three-time MVP. I mean, this guy's incredible. Well, he already three. He's going to be a four. I don't think he's going to win it this year.

Yeah, so he probably goes hard. I don't think he's going to win it this year, Twan, but it's hard for me to see a scenario where he doesn't win at least one more because the numbers are going to be there. The numbers are going to be there. He's going to be somewhere

between 25 and 30 points. He's going to be somewhere between 10 and 13 rebounds. He's going to be there. The numbers are going to be there. He's going to be somewhere between 25 and 30 points. He's going to be somewhere between 10 and 13 rebounds. He's going to be somewhere between 8.5 and 10 assists. So he's going to be there. So the numbers are going to be indicative of somebody that should be, it should more than qualify to win that award. The question is, are they going to have enough? If he take care of his body the way he has taken care of his body

for the next couple years, he definitely will be in the running for one more. I think. It's all dependent on how he takes care of his body. If he takes care of his body and stays injury-free, I mean, I know it don't look sexy, but, you know, if he stays injury-free and stays healthy, he'll be right back. You're right. He'll be in the running for another one.

Ahead of this game, Edelman accused the Clippers of pumping in fake noise in the Intuit Dome. Is that a good look? Do you want your coaches like, man, it ain't that loud. It ain't that many people up here. That's fake noise. You like your coach doing that, Twan? No, I want the coach to believe that we can win.

We don't need no action. We should believe that we can win. Let's put together a game plan. Let's go out there and play. And really, to be honest, if you don't really like that, you want your home court to correct their own thing. I know some football fields,

y'all know that. Some stadiums have their own little chants and when they get motivated and all that. I was knowing back when we were trying to turn it around in Boston, before they moved into the TD North, we had the police center, we called it the jungle

because it did get so loud because we were starting to turn it around we were starting to become a playoff team, we were starting to win games, so our home games were exciting because we had kind of created our own energy now, me and Paul, and we was kind of creating our own style, so I like when the fans kind of like, you know, figure it out

it's kind of like growing up in Chicago. I remember growing up and watching Michael Newham play, especially when they played. They had their own, the National, when they, remember the starting lineup? They had that music that come out.

That was them. That was their own thing. That was only in the stadium. You know what I mean? And I remember the stadium used to be rocking. I went to see them play the Orlando Magic in the stadium when they played the Orlando Maddox and Jordan came back. Yeah.

The stadium used to be rocking before they moved into the United Center. I just think, you know, every arena got to have their own stuff, but you don't need no coaches getting to that. You don't need no help. You don't need nobody piping nothing in. This ain't college. These pros, they ain't going to get distracted too easy.

Yeah, but the new arenas don't have that intimate feel because, you know, you got to have all this technology. You got all these jumbotrons and you got all this fancy equipment and stuff like that. So you don't have the intimacy

like you had at the old garden. You don't have the intimacy like you have at the farm. You don't have the intimacy like you had at the old garden. You don't have the intimacy like you have at the farm. You don't have the intimacy like you had at the Chicago Stadium. You don't have that like you see the Packers have at Lambeau Field or the Bears at Soldier Field or the Chiefs

at Arrowhead. There's some stadium. Even Heinz Field is not the intimacy like they had at Three Rivers, Ocho. So when you don't have that, it's hard to create that. Now, I get it why they do it, because the cost of these players are going up, and so we got to find a way to create revenues. And we want places to have other events other than basketball.

So you see concerts, and you see track and pool, and you see Beyonce, and you see the NCAA Final Foursours and you see international championship games. So I get it. I get it. I totally get it. But as a professional and plus professionally college kids, man, you know, college kids don't paint their faces. They're going to take their shirts off.

They're going to really be into it. Man, look here. Man, I paid $12, $15 for a ticket, man. I'm going to sit there and like be chilling. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying, Dwight? You're right. That's right. You're going to enjoy it the best way you can.

But I don't think that bothers the pros. You guys know that. The fans don't bother us, man. We're a professional athlete. You enjoy it. They actually kind of motivate you sometimes. You get to some certain places, and they get on you. You know how the fans get on you? That motivates you to go out there and play well.

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