Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Warriors SEND Clippers HOME + Shannon Gives Kawhi Leonard an “F” with Clippers

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the NBA Play-In Tournament featuring Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors taking on Kawhi Leonard and the Los Ang...eles Clippers. Later, they debate how they would rate Kawhi's tenure with the Clippers. Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP   Timeline:00:00 - Intro04:36 - Warriors beat Clippers31:56 - Rating Kawhi's Clipper Era (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:06:01 responsibly and stay safe. The game that you just watched, the Warriors beat the Clippers by the score of 126 to 121. Stefan Curry and the Warriors survived and advanced. Steph scored 27 of his 35 points in the second half and with a go-ahead 30-foot,
Starting point is 00:06:17 three-point shot with 50 4 seconds remaining that gave them a three-point lead that they would not relinquish. The Clippers led for basically the entire of the game. led by as many. I think it's 12 is one point I looked up and saw, but they were not able to hold it.
Starting point is 00:06:32 Big shot after big shot. Like I said, Al Horford was tremendous tonight. Big shot after big shot. Prozinger's was big shot, rebound in the ball, put back dunks, doing a great job. But you know what it was. Steph Curry was Steph Curry. You know, last night, guys,
Starting point is 00:06:47 when we say Steph Curry, excuse me, he's going to have more than 26 and a half point. Everybody in the chat, man, he's been off. He's been off. He's been off. You should have took the under. I'm not taking Lund against that man He's chef's death The greatest shooter that we've ever seen
Starting point is 00:07:02 And you think he wasn't going to come to play Yeah With all those picks and all that running He's gonna be, you know what I'm saying I mean he played 36 minutes And you're like well damn this man I've been off all this time How is he able to run like that
Starting point is 00:07:14 And get shots up like he does Because Joe like you said When shooting free throws If you're tired, you clanking This man shoot from 35 And making it after all that running Joe what did you like about with the Warriors, how were they able to win this game,
Starting point is 00:07:28 considering they were down as much as double figures for the entirety of the game, but somehow find a way to stay close and pull it out late in the ball game. Man, Argon Ocho, just pedigree of a champion, man. Yeah. Those guys have seen pretty much everything, and they answered the bill. It didn't look good all game. I mean, I thought the clippers had the momentum pretty much the whole entire game until, you know, Steph seemed like he got to.
Starting point is 00:07:55 the second win because it seemed like it took him a little while to kind of get started, but once he got it going, who, ooh, you could not turn him off. And we always talk about, you know, these megastars having great games and they have to bring guys along with him. You know, Al Horford came along for the ride. Porzinger's came along for the ride. Pah came along for the ride. Hey, Draymond, I thought he was probably the biggest difference, especially in that fourth quarter.
Starting point is 00:08:20 The job that he did on Kauai. That's what you got to talk about. Kauai is probably going to be a first. team all-NBA selection. What he did on Kauai? Kauai was the night, what, 8 of 17, 21 points, 1 of 6 from the 3. He did a tremendous job.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Remember, they were about to get a five-second. He stole the ball. Pott ended up getting an A-N-1 because they go-tended. And then he stole the ball again, the next possession now. Yeah. Draymond was defensively, they did an unbelievable job on Kauai tonight. Go ahead, Joe. Yeah, and you have to have guys.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Okay, Ocho, who ain't scared to take the challenge? You know what I mean? Yes. And Draymond, he understands how great Kauai is, but he took the challenge tonight to sit down in their chair, be disruptive, deny him to basketball. And then when he did catch the basketball, I thought he played great defense.
Starting point is 00:09:10 He got to steal late, picked his pocket. Man, look, the Warriors look, they look good. Once Steph kind of got it going, I'll hit them three threes in a row. I said, oh, whoa. Yeah, Al, turned back the head of a time. You see, hey, my boy, Al, he got it. going there in that four quarter.
Starting point is 00:09:26 It was fun to watch. Both teams played great. They both shot over 50% from the field, over 40% from three. I thought this was great championship caliber playoff type basketball. But I tell you what, Joe, they mess around,
Starting point is 00:09:42 if they had pieces and they could trade for Janus, the way they can shoot the basketball and the way Yonis would occupy so much lane time that you couldn't sluff off, they'd be right back in the mix. Go ahead, Joe. Go ahead. One thing, one thing. One thing. The thing is, if you add Yanis to that, because you're going to have to probably give up what, Draymond?
Starting point is 00:10:06 Yeah, they don't want to give up that. He's such an emotional leader, Uncle Ocho, and you see what he does defensively. It ain't a lot of guys, though, who want to do the dirty work in the league. I'm just going to keep it 100. You're right. It's the dirty work, and he is the pulse, the heartbeat of that team. But, Joe, the screens, that behind the back pass, you remember, you think about the past. Yeah. Steph had the ball.
Starting point is 00:10:27 He gave it to Draymond. Draymond went behind his back. Steph, booed, boot, step away from Brooke Lopez, they're out of bounds from 30. They're not very many guys. They have such a rapport. It's like Carson and Ocho.
Starting point is 00:10:41 It's like me and Elway. It's like Mahomes and Kelsey. Yeah. A quarterback is a receiver, they see things. They know things because they have that type of relationship. He doesn't have that relationship with anybody else. Yeah, guys can sit.
Starting point is 00:10:55 picks, Alex sits for him, Pod six picks for him, San Jose's picks, but it's not like Draymond. Because Draymond knows everything. Draymond knows when he goes away, he'll be right, man. Don't worry about it. I'm a dribble right here because he's coming right back. Yeah, that chemistry and continuity, man, you can't.
Starting point is 00:11:11 It's hard to substitute for that because a lot of the times when Draymond has the ball, his man ain't going to be up on him close. No, no. You know what I mean? So he knows that he's so smart cerebral that he's like, okay, boom. Whenever I got the ball, I'm just looking to set up. pick, bro, you come off my side, you're going to be open. You can do as many loop to loops as you want to.
Starting point is 00:11:29 I'm going to be waiting for you to come around the block. Yeah, they got chemistry and continuity that you can't teach, for real. And they do a lot of dribble handoff. And then just when you think Draymond going to hand it off to Steph, guess what he'll do? He'll drive right to the basket and dunk it on your lay it up. Because he got, you know, you're like, okay, now I got a jump. I got a jump to get Steph. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:50 Okay. Dreymontz said, no, I'm going to keep it this time. Go ahead, Ocho. Hey, you know what? First off, I'm going to be honest. When we talked about the game and the game coming up, I really thought the Clippers had this in hand. For one, Steph had missed so much time. I thought when he did come back, he would be rusty.
Starting point is 00:12:04 He wouldn't be as efficient as he normally is. Obviously, the game starts playing. I'm thinking, okay, well, goddamn, the Clibbon got Kauai. They got Garland. They should be able to handle a goddamn Warriors team that might be a little rusty, might be a little off because Steph hasn't played. And obviously, listen, they fooled me. That goddamn Steph, obviously the Warriors.
Starting point is 00:12:24 being a team that is familiar with situations like this in big games. And that goddamn, Steph, Unk, them boys was down the whole goddamn game. I don't know what happened. Now, when you talk about a second win, Joe, and I'm thinking boxing. You know, you get to the round, round seven to eight. You get to the championship rounds and all of a sudden you catch that second win. And hell, it's due with that. And I think Steph Curry being familiar with situations like that,
Starting point is 00:12:53 when we got to have it because if we don't have it, you know we're going? Yeah, you know he's taking it. Yeah. You say that second way, and anybody that's done cardio, you know, sometimes you'd be 10, 15 minutes in and you feel like, ish.
Starting point is 00:13:09 And then all of a sudden you get the 20 minutes in and you're like, God, what happened? Yeah. Like somebody's scrapped the jetpack on your back. Yeah, I don't know why that happened. I don't know either. I don't know either. I mean, sometimes I'm like that.
Starting point is 00:13:21 I'm like, damn, boy, this thing feels. And I was like, okay, okay, let me get five more minutes. Let me get five more minutes. And all of a sudden, my turnover starts to pick up. My breathing all of a sudden is more under control. And the next thing you know, I'm 30, 40 minutes in. I'm like, okay, now this is how I'm supposed to feel. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:40 I don't give it down what you say. A team that shoot as many jump shots is the Golden State Warriors. You can't let them shoot 57%, Joe? No, you can't. That's a jump shooting team. Yeah, they got a couple of layouts. But look, they shot 41, 3 they made 19. You can't let them shoot that kind of percentage.
Starting point is 00:13:57 No, they let them shoot 40. Hey, hey, you say, you say let. Well, you couldn't stop them. But I'm saying, if you let a team that's private, they ain't got no big, who the hell they posted up? The guy's shooting the ball. At some point, shoot you, I'm like, well, damn. I think, I think when you look at it, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:18 Golden State has crafty guards, pods is crafty. Steph Curry is very crafty. And they got, they was in the teeth of their defense the whole night. Okay, Ojo, you know, when you get in basketball, if you got guys who can get in the paint and touch that paint every time, get paint touches, and spray out for three or get easy, dump-offs. I feel like that's what Golden State done the whole night.
Starting point is 00:14:42 They outworked the clippers to me, you know what I mean? They play harder. They seem like they wanted it more, especially down the stretch. And Steph just put them on his back. obviously scoring the ball but just making the right plays as well Al stepping up big like I said knocking down them threes
Starting point is 00:14:57 man that was a huge win for them guys considering everything that they didn't went through this whole entire season you know to now try and get healthy and try and make a playoff spot it's going to be tough if they do even get in that A spot though it's going to be tough
Starting point is 00:15:13 so hey uncle be tough hold on be tough or what it's going to be I'm saying if they make the A spot hell they're Oh, so you like them on O KC? Man, no. No, sir.
Starting point is 00:15:24 Oh, but you said they can get a game. I ain't even saying that. I'm saying it's going to be tough. What you say is going to be tough. Hold on them. Yeah, it's going to be tough on them. Oh, oh, okay. I said corrected.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Hey, they do all this fighting and wrestling right now. And then you feel like to have the fighting wrestle on Friday. Yeah, by the time you play OKC, they've been rested for two weeks. Boy, they're going to, hey, they're going to be running. That means they would have them on Sunday. Yeah. So we all three of us can agree that if they do get the A-C and have to face the OKC, it's going to be a gentleman sweeping, right?
Starting point is 00:16:02 Well, they got to go into Phoenix and beat Phoenix. What do we think about that match-up, all? I'm like Golden State. Look, we already know what Dylan Brooks going to try to do. He's going to try to be physical with Steph. You're going to try to get in his head. Yeah. He's going to be clapping.
Starting point is 00:16:20 You're going to be doing all that other stuff. Man, look, when you're this many years in the league like Steph, Steph doesn't seen it all. Yeah. From Lance Stevenson to all these other guys that's been along, that's come along. At Bill, same way. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:35 That don't bother, Steph. I don't know. I ain't going to lie to you. You know, I enjoyed the performance tonight, but I ain't going to get ahead of myself with this game they got against Phoenix. Hey, hey, no, no, no. We got to give You know, obviously get a
Starting point is 00:16:54 Some credit, but I thought Kauaa looked great early It seemed like he got tired. I don't think he played 40 minutes the whole season. Okay, Ocho, I think he had... Unless they quit overtime. I'm sure he eclips 40 minutes tonight. I think they had a lot of it. He played 40 on the head.
Starting point is 00:17:10 Yeah, I think they had a lot to do with... I think they had a lot to do with him being a little fatigued down the stretch if you just want me to be honest. If you think about it, Joe, they have these big leads when quiet go to the bench they give it all back yeah so now that's the thing so now i got i got i got i've got to i got the break i can't give him his normal four minutes five minute rest because they're digging into a lead i'm luke wilson join me each week for film never lies since retiring
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Starting point is 00:21:02 When he come back, they're up too. Yeah. So, T. Lou doesn't really, doesn't really have a choice. Yeah. Go ahead, don't Joe. And I'm going to say, I don't think, Joe, that got to be one of the worst feelings. You know, you have your superstars, obviously, go to the bench, and you have a big league. lead, and then those that come in to replace the superstars, you hope to maintain that lead,
Starting point is 00:21:24 but at least keep the goddamn float of ship and keep your team ahead to get your start of some rest, and damn, they close the goddamn gap, and you have no choice but to put the stars back in again because you ain't got no fucking death. Yeah, it's like when Kauai ain't in the game, okay, Ocho, it's like the clippers really don't have a rhyme of reason to what it is they're doing. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know garlic can get to his spots, but for the most part, man, I know. It was a lot of, hey, look, I know they made a lot of shots,
Starting point is 00:21:52 but boy, it was a show, it was show a lot of ill-advised shots tonight. That's what drives me crazy, Joe. I'm like, bro, come on. So I'm sitting here watching, I'm like, even from, I thought, you know, Brooke Lopez gave him great minutes. He played well, and that's my guy. You know what I mean? But I think with his size, though, he probably should have done a little bit more damage,
Starting point is 00:22:17 you know, in the post. I mean, him going one for six from three. I just think, man, the three point, guys just fall in love with three so much, man. All you had to do is take a step of two in. You can get an easier shot. Kauai, one for six from three. Derek Jones, one from four.
Starting point is 00:22:33 Brooke Lopez, one for six. Chris Dunn, one for two. Darius Garland, two for four. Yeah. That's from the three. Yeah, they did. They were perfect from the free throw line. And you know what the thing is what I've always found amazing
Starting point is 00:22:50 about the warriors. about how good a rebounding team they are to be so undersized. Yeah. You know why? Because shooting three, you don't know where the ball going to go off. And they've done quick jokers, go get it.
Starting point is 00:23:05 That's the, I mean, you look at it. Oh, man, man, you should kill them on the, and all, every damn near, every year, they wanted to better rebounding teams. That's because they gain rebound, you know, as a unit. They ain't looking for one player to go get 15 boys. They all going to have about six. six to eight to nine rebounds, you know, even the guards.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Yeah. And I think that's, that definitely, uh, that definitely helps them out a lot, especially in like transition when guards get the rebound, Uncle Ocho. That's like a fast break. You pushing it out, get on the break quick. And you know you got to find them shooters. So they always going to have space to be able to get in the pancreate and cause havoc.
Starting point is 00:23:43 And that's pretty much what they did tonight. Yeah. Uh, yeah, uh, what's you call them? And the turnover, I mean, and Golders Day was. sloppy. Golda State had not had 20 turnovers. The Clippers only
Starting point is 00:23:57 had 17, but it's when they had the turnovers. You saw Joe and Ocho, you saw they had like three or four really late in the ball game. They had back to back turnovers. After Steph hit the three, guess what? They get a steel. Hey, now it's a five-point game. Now guess what? Co-Wreting the
Starting point is 00:24:13 ball up, Draymond's script him again. Yeah, yeah. Hey. So it's, and this is what I tell people. It's like, all turnovers aren't created equal. A quarterback throws an interception in the first quarter. It ain't the same if he throw an interception with two minutes left in the ball game in the fourth.
Starting point is 00:24:30 Right. So you're like, well, but they only had 17. The other team had 20. Okay, that's 17. So how did they get to that number 17? Look at the last three to four turnovers when they took place. Yeah, they were crucial. That was really the difference in the ball game.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Yeah, those were a crucial mistake. You've got to be able to execute in those moments. And they were very uncharacteristic for the clip of two because you don't do. I mean, especially Kauai, in those late game situations. Yes. You know, that's why I can, I mean, I look at like the fatigue or, you know, we always talk about how the game is ramped up to another level when we get in the postseason and the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:25:09 Yeah. And a lot could have had to do with, you know, Kauai, especially down the stretch with him being a little tired playing all the minutes. I just feel like, man, Draymond done. hell of a job. Ocho on that four quarter. Getting him tired. Oh, man, I'm talking about this.
Starting point is 00:25:25 And maybe that's what it was, Joe. Maybe that's what, you know, because a lot of times you start to make mistakes when you get tired. The mind starts to drip. You know, all of a sudden, you do uncharacteristic things. You see it. Yeah. Draymond, still in there shaking everybody in the arena.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Is it? He still. man, Traybott. Man, I'm going to have to go see a game. Because I hear the arena is very, very nice. You're talking about their new arena? Yes. The Warriors?
Starting point is 00:26:00 No, no, no. Oh, the clippers. Yeah, I heard it was nice too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. When you think about going? Ain't no going over this year, Ocho. I mean, we can go in October, November.
Starting point is 00:26:15 It's over for them. Ain't no more going this year. And you know, man, you know, look, T. Liu, my guy. And I kind of wanted to see him. I kind of wanted to see him where I mean, but he got, he just can't, he just can't get no, he just can't. I mean, Kauai, when they had great opportunities, Kauai get injured and boom. PG got injured. PG could never stay healthy.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Kauai got injured. And that was it. you pinned all your hopes. You pinned all your hopes on those two guys, and those two guys were the least healthiest, and they're your best players. Yeah, yeah. And it's just hard to overcome.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Yeah. And because you've given up so much, how do you build a team? How do you build, how do you, how do you build a team? You got, you're going to have to do something with Kauai. You're probably going to have to extend Kauai. You probably get Kauai another three-year deal,
Starting point is 00:27:16 $40, $45 million a year, Joe. Or do you go ahead and trade them Or can try to get some assets for it Whoa, whoa, come on Joe You don't want to set yourself back, man Man, the problem is The problem is I see what you're saying, Joe
Starting point is 00:27:29 But who's gonna come to, I mean, it's hard enough to get people to come to that arena because it's so high So who are you going to trade them for That people want to, you know this is a superstar league, Joe Yeah, that's what I'm saying I don't care what they, they ain't come to see no randoms No, they ain't
Starting point is 00:27:48 coming, but I ain't come to see no randoms, but if you go get you one of the young phenoms, you know what I mean? Like, Kauai got a lot of value to where he could help a championship caliber team. Yes. You know what I mean? Most times, teams that aren't willing to get off, giving his history. Yeah. And given how many games he's going to potentially, now this year he played, you know,
Starting point is 00:28:09 once he got back, he played, Joe. Yeah. But his history. So what are we making on? We're looking at a guy that's, what, 35, 34, 35? with his injury history, do we believe he'll be more or less healthy moving forward? He'll probably be less, but I think you have to have great maintenance as far as like minutes restricting wise. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:28:36 Yeah, you know, keep him in the low 30s, you know, to where he can, you know, finish out the season for you. I just think playing like playing tonight, 40 plus minutes, bro, that. That's going to be hard on the body when you ain't had to rev it up like that. That's all I'd be saying. Yeah. Yeah. But the thing is,
Starting point is 00:28:54 the teams are very reluctant to give up them young star players. And, Joe, when you think about it, right? You think about the clippers. Let's say you do let Kauai go. Then when you get that production that he gives you every night, when he's not hurt, when he's not injured. I understand.
Starting point is 00:29:10 I understand we got the phenoms. I ain't seen no phenoms like that, you know? Well, hopefully, Joe, I know you're hoping. you're hoping you get you a shape. Yeah. Because when they gave up PG and OKC, what did they say? Where are you going to get that production from?
Starting point is 00:29:25 Yeah. Remember, PG was just in the running for MVP. Yeah. PG average like 28 points a game. Hey, Joe. What's that? But the ones that out of feet are, you know they're going to be gone, huh?
Starting point is 00:29:39 I mean, that just depends. I think if you wait to after the draft, maybe you can package something like that, I don't know, man. I'm just saying, like, he still got a lot of, you know, good basketball left in him. And I don't think the clip was going to where. I'm just going to be honest with you all. I don't think they are either.
Starting point is 00:29:58 It wasn't Kauai. It was Paul George. It was what they had to give up to get Paul George. That was the reason. Yeah. Think about what you gave up to get him. Think about what you gave up and you still gave. You gave away and you gave up.
Starting point is 00:30:15 You gave away potentially, but he got a chance. There's a 98% chance he's going to be a two-time league MVP. There's a chance he'll be a two-time finals MVP. And you gave him up at the right age of 20, 22, tops. And then he wasn't able to stay healthy. If he could have stayed healthy when Kaua was out, you might have could have, okay. But then guess what? Both of them are out.
Starting point is 00:30:43 Now what do we do? both B-O-A-L both now what we do what we do now Joe well hey look
Starting point is 00:30:52 that's why other guys got to step up in these opportunities you ain't losing your two best players so let me ask you a question you believe Boston the number two seed
Starting point is 00:31:00 did they lose Jalen Brown and J-Lay-T well listen what about what about what about the Lakers losing A.R and Luka no
Starting point is 00:31:08 they lost them after this oh the situation So if they, let's just say, Luke and AR miss 55 games. Do you think they the four seed? They don't know. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:31:22 No. So you say it's some other guys got to step up. You're not losing your two best players. I don't care who it is. You take any two best players off any team. They're not winning, they probably, Murray and Yokic, you take B.I and you take Scotty Barnes. you take Kat and you take Brunson.
Starting point is 00:31:45 Any two players you want. You take the two best players off any team. You believe they're going to make the playoffs? No, no. Now they miss a significant amount of time to work. Right. And then think about what Kauai was missing. Remember Kaua missed the whole season.
Starting point is 00:32:01 And he? And did he low manager? Joe, he's missing 25, 30 games. Yeah. Hey, but they knew that coming into it. He'd been low. excuse me, he's been low manager since he's been in San Antonio. He has?
Starting point is 00:32:16 Yeah. But I think the thing, and they were okay with the load manager, they just, I mean, if you think about it, they went in the game and he stole the ball, he's going for a layup and he tears his ACL, Joe. Yeah, I know. I know. I can't, Joe, I can't plan for that. I mean, he had buzzet look. Yeah. Well, listen, I still think it'll be a team out there who will take a chance on trying to,
Starting point is 00:32:41 to get him. I don't know if they'll give up a, you know, like I don't think, I'm not giving up a whole lot for a guy with, how old is Kauai? 35. Kauai was a rookie with LeBron in 2014. So, 34, okay. Okay. 34-year-old Joe with an injury history. Hey, but look how he played towards the end of the season.
Starting point is 00:33:10 Look at the numbers. Yes. Well, you do realize he missed him like. first 20 games though, right? Yeah, I'm saying. I said when he came back, what he did. Hey, but statistically, this might be one, this might be one of his best season.
Starting point is 00:33:23 It's not his best season, huh? It is his best season as far as scoring. I think I read a stat where he's the first guy in year 14 or later to have a career best scoring year. Hey, it's funny how that work, huh? Yeah. Time and everything. And the understanding.
Starting point is 00:33:41 You know what you might not be there? Yeah. I'm going to go out here put one of my best performances the rest of the season when I do come back just in case. I don't, me personally,
Starting point is 00:33:52 I don't think they'll trade Kauai considering what they gave up to get him. I don't think he wants to go anywhere. I mean, look, he wanted to come to L.A. And basically, he wanted to come to L.A. And they thought they had him with the Lakers. And then at the last minute, you know, they're like, okay, I kind of want,
Starting point is 00:34:12 you know, L.A. is L.A. Yeah. I'm still going to be close. I'm still going to be close to San Diego. I think he has a place and I ain't going to say what the man has a place. But anyway, he closed by. You're like, Clippers. I'm in L.A. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:27 Let's see, okay, what you're willing to do? What y'all got for your boy? Uncle Dennis went in there and said, you know, hey, boom, boom, boom, hey, you know, hey, what you got for your boy? Hey, allegedly, supposedly, you know, Uncle Dennis, you know, I need a little something, something too, you know. You know what I'm saying, Joe? Hey, you want to talk to him a boy, Joe?
Starting point is 00:34:45 Yeah. Let me get your girl number. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to hook that up. You'll hook this up. You know, I got to get something out of the deal. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:53 But, it's, man, it's tough. And the clippers, man, I just don't know. And they had that great opportunity. When they got, they had so much promise. You remember it was, they came out there with the Jersey's 213. Yeah. Because, you know, I was two. And Paul George.
Starting point is 00:35:12 Yeah. That's the L.A. area code. You got, you know what I'm like, okay. Look how they got that thing going. Hey, they ain't get it done, man. If they were on a championship, boy, they either been standing on top of L.A. If you win one championship, it was worth whatever you gave up to get it. You know?
Starting point is 00:35:34 If you win one, the Rams did the right thing. You know why? Because Matthew Stafford has already delivered them a championship. If he delivers him another one, great. But whatever you gave up to get him, it was worth it because you got a championship. Yeah. And that guy is going to keep you in contention every single year
Starting point is 00:35:55 because you got that guy. Kauai is the type of guy that can keep you in contention. Just need a couple of other pieces. I mean, I like Darius Garland. He gets the engine a lot. Yeah. I really like Mathrin. I really like his aggressive.
Starting point is 00:36:10 He can play. Yeah, I had him picked. I thought this year in Indiana, I thought with Hallenberg being out, I thought he would have been a potential all-star look, but obviously that didn't happen. He got traded to the clippers. Hey, he hit tonight too, didn't he?
Starting point is 00:36:26 Yeah, he had 23, 7, 11, 5 or 6 from the 3. I'm talking about it on the prize piece. We had him over. Yeah. Bank Carrow let us down. Everybody covered by what Ben Carrol? I thought we hit, man. Hey, a matter of fact, speaking of who hit and who didn't,
Starting point is 00:36:45 hey, Joe, didn't we make a little bet? On what? You lost. I took Philly, partner. Huh? I took Philly if we bet it. Oh, no, I don't think we bet, then. Don't think we bet, man.
Starting point is 00:37:01 He's something, man. I swear that you was up. I'm just making a show. You told me you wrote it down on your phone or something. Yeah, we got the Nix. The Nicks and the Hops. Okay, okay. Check this out.
Starting point is 00:37:11 Kauai. In 2020, he was eliminated in the second round. Uh, 2021, eliminating the conference finals. 2022, eliminating the play in. 2023, eliminating the first round. 24, first round. 25, first round. 26, playing.
Starting point is 00:37:27 Mm. What grade you give it to Joe and Ocho? Uh, I'm gonna give, for, for, for, what, this year? Are you saying over the pay? Give it, give the Kauai Clippers an error grade. What do you give you? give him his clippers era. I'll give him a...
Starting point is 00:37:47 A B minus? B minus. My ass. What you give him? I'm saying... F! A F! He got eliminating the second round. He made the conference finals once,
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Starting point is 00:41:36 I'm not going to give it an F. I'm going to give it a C. I'm going to get him a C. I'm going to give him a C. A C? Yeah, he can't do it by itself. His play ain't been terrible. Hell, he's just been hurt.
Starting point is 00:41:51 What, damn. I mean, his counterparts have been hurt. You want him to carry the whole wagon by himself? He can't carry it. Okay, when they was in the bubble and they had that 3-1 lead, that should give him a bad less than a C by itself. Everybody was healthy. Kauai was healthy.
Starting point is 00:42:10 PG was healthy. Pat Bell was healthy. Everybody was healthy. 3-1 on Denver. That right there alone should do a number on it. Hold on. So, um, let me get this right, now. So you giving Kauai, F.
Starting point is 00:42:26 Based on his tenure? What grade could I give him? I mean. What? Because I got to grade you on what were the expectations versus what actually happened. Ooh. Well, based on expectations,
Starting point is 00:42:42 depending on the team. everybody would get an F then if that's the case. Everybody, look here, they didn't move heaven and earth to get everybody. Okay, okay, okay. Everybody wasn't a two-time finals MVP. Everybody wasn't a two-time defensive player of the year. Everybody isn't a top 75 player
Starting point is 00:43:00 in the history of the NBA. He has to be a guided, see, that's the thing. People want to grade what? No, you have to grade certain players differently. everybody doesn't get graded. I'm going to treat them all fair. But I ain't going to treat you all the same. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:19 So let me ask you a question. Ocho, does everybody get treated like Hawaii? Does everybody have privileges like Hawaii? No, absolutely not. So why we got to grade them to everybody the same then? A young boy has been a long wolf for a while out there. By himself now.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Now, when you're doing the grade? And the play in? You got a fact in all the other. You lost the play in on your home. It ain't none of my business. I don't even know why I brought it up. He ain't been to the car. I mean, they see, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26.
Starting point is 00:43:57 So in seven years, he's only made it to the conference finals once. He's only going to, he's only, hey, he's only gone past the second round once. He's only gotten to the second round, once. Oh, how long he's been in L.A.? Seven years since 2020. Joe, you're trying to change the grade, Joe. He's been to actually, no, he's been there since 2019. Because 2019 is when it happened.
Starting point is 00:44:27 You know, he won the championship in Toronto in June of 2019. He signed with the clippers in July of 2019. And then led that season. Yeah, y'all remember? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Hey, they thought, they thought why it was hot. Bring them to L.A., Paul, George.
Starting point is 00:44:47 They thought they were going to strike. and get a chip out of them boys, but it didn't happen. I just, look, if he had gotten a championship, you can't give him anything but of a. Right.
Starting point is 00:45:02 So anything, if he gets, let's just say for the sake of argument. Go ahead, Ocho, go ahead, go ahead, make a word.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Hold on. I know the expectations are high based on what you gave up for him, so anything less than a cherubchip, he gets the F. He got to, hold on. even if he doesn't get your championship.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Can we get there? Can we play in a couple of finals a couple of times? We can't keep going out in the first. He can eliminate it in the playing. Hey, look, look, he got to get some help, well. I'm a fit to say. I mean, don't get me wrong. I thought James played great.
Starting point is 00:45:41 He was an all-star. But. So we go, so I guess Ocho don't want to talk. about that. So when they had James Hart, Paul, George, and Kauai, and they couldn't get out of the first round. Not what we do with. Let me take this here piece out so I can hear you. Speaking to the microphone, a little louder. You ain't say nothing. You laugh. I'm saying, hello. Did we forget about that, Joe? Did you forget about James Hardin was there? I didn't. Oh, okay. I'll just second. And so now, do you want to, do you want to regrade or are you grading or are you grading on a curve?
Starting point is 00:46:16 But what we do? No, that's what I'm giving them a seed, man. I'm giving them a seed. This man gave this man a seed with James Hard, top 75 player. Yeah. Twylinter, top 75 player. An MVP.
Starting point is 00:46:29 Wow. Y'all'll be ashamed of yourself. You couldn't have been no teacher, man. You couldn't have been no teacher. When it comes to grading papers, everybody in the goddamn class would have failed. Hey. I'm going to give you what you earned.
Starting point is 00:46:42 Hey, listen. I don't give you what you deserve. I can't say, you know what? I thought he was going to be one of my best students. You know what? Let me grade him on a curve. Even though we had a 30 question test and he got 22 of them wrong,
Starting point is 00:46:57 let me go on and give him a C plus. That's what Joe doing. Joe passing everybody and can't nobody read and they can't nobody at him. Also, Joe factor in the circumstances Kauai had to deal with. Not only injury, then not having anybody else to help.
Starting point is 00:47:15 My thing is. So what was James Harden doing? What was James Harden doing? He did his part. He helped out. He pitched in. He pitched in. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 00:47:25 So, hold on. So James Hardin pitched in. You said James Hardin did pitch in. Yeah. And you still, and he got, hold on. With James Hardin was there, James Hardin just left. So in 25, they got eliminated the first round. In 24, they got eliminated the first round.
Starting point is 00:47:38 In 23, they got eliminated the first round. If I'm not mistaken, James Hardin was there all them years. Yeah. Wouldn't it James, as a matter of fact, Give me James, because I don't want to misspeak. Hey, hey, them two man bands over with, man. Them two man bands, they owe with it. You ain't got a least.
Starting point is 00:47:57 Well, they had three because they have PG. Oh, so you're not saying PG ain't that? But PG, you know, he was dealing with a lot of injury. He didn't even really play that much for the clipper, for real. He went to Clippers in 23. Okay. This year, yeah. So, so James got there in 23.
Starting point is 00:48:21 First round. 24 first round 25 first round He left Trade deadline this year Playing tournament I'm just saying Hey chat
Starting point is 00:48:34 Now y'all see how all these students get out here And they can't read the right But hey listen check this out though Hold on hold on hold on hold on Considering listen at this Considering what the way the clipper started This year on you ain't even had them making the play in You wouldn't you know
Starting point is 00:48:50 You ain't think they were going to make no play in No, no. And they got that hot streak where they won like 23 or 25 or 26 ball game, slap got right back into the thick of it. Yeah. Hold on, you know what, and I like this. I like that we're doing this now. So let's do the grade too, even though they still playing.
Starting point is 00:49:13 Excuse me. With Reeves and goddamn Luke out. Yeah. What's LeBron's grade going to be when they get eliminated? Would it still be the same? Are we going to fact here? You want a grade. You want to grade LeBron's tenure at the Lakers?
Starting point is 00:49:31 Yeah. They won a championship? Yes or no. Yep. Are you, you count in the bubble? You count in the bubble? I'm just curious. They played it.
Starting point is 00:49:40 Guess what? The Dodgers won the championship, and guess what they played in the bubble? Fans weren't in the stadium. Guess who else? Everybody in 2020, guess why they won a championship? Was it a normal championship that they won, Joe? Baseball, basketball, football. So what about Tampa?
Starting point is 00:49:57 Are we going to take away Tampa's? Because it was played under what circumstances, Joe? How many fans showed them at the Super Bowl? Normally, 75, 80,000. They had 7,000. So is it normal? I'm curious. How are we doing it?
Starting point is 00:50:10 Just let me know. Hold on. Hold on. Let's wait. Let's wait. I like the grading scale. I like the grading scale. So we're going to wait, you know, in that tenure. But you wait, hold on, hold on.
Starting point is 00:50:22 This man just waited to say, okay, without Reeves and without Luca, you do realize LeBron was the third is the third option. He has to go back to the first option. I'm also factoring that Kauai was the main option and had no help. In the playoffs, James Hart disappears. P.G. Wow, whoa, whoa. He was by himself.
Starting point is 00:50:44 Hey. Hey. What you think of like a little of it is? Go ahead, go ahead, Joe. Go ahead, make your point. And LeBron ain't no third. option either. He just played that role because he had missed significant
Starting point is 00:50:55 time. And when he came back, they were clicking on all cylinders. You know that man ain't no third option, man. He's not normally. But what was he on this team this year, Joe? He just played the role. He just played that. Look, he didn't. What role is he playing now? Obviously, he's been thrusting this role,
Starting point is 00:51:12 but he's back at this comfortable position. He's back at the... Joe, whether you're a fool, if you play a fool, whether you want or not, what are you? Oh, true. Man, that joke will play. That's why you got to be careful who you're arguing with.
Starting point is 00:51:32 Because if you argue with a fool and people walk up and hear you two argue, they don't know which one is a fool. They don't say one is a fool, the other is a bigger fool, or a damn fool. But we just know we got two fools arguing. So I just try to figure out. I'm just trying to figure out when y'all be so leader. That's why I'm glad. That's why I'm glad y'all ain't no teachers.
Starting point is 00:51:54 Can we pass everybody? Uh-huh? Because we passed- Oh yeah, you already know Joe Joe passing everybody. Joe gave it overbooked tests every day. Yeah, I ain't, I ain't trying to flunk nobody. I'm going to be honest.
Starting point is 00:52:05 I want you to go on. I don't want to see you. I didn't flunk you. You did that. But not studying, by not doing your homework, by not turning your assignments in. I give the assignments. You do the assignment.
Starting point is 00:52:18 I grade it. You don't turn it in. The assignment is wrong. I don't know what you expect me to do. Oh, because he ain't bad, though. Yeah, did they bring a championship now? But considering the fact that when the man did play, the man put up numbers. Now, the team around him, were they good enough to win the title?
Starting point is 00:52:36 Now, obviously not. But I can't say I ain't giving the man no F. I'm by this, okay, all I'm going to ask you is this, when they had a 3-1 lead and Kauai was healthy, PG was healthy, everybody was healthy. What you gave him on that one? Hey, man, they ran to a hell of a team. That hell, hold on, that hell of a team that'll go James, the team that beat them, go James, the gentleman sweep them, you're talking about that one?
Starting point is 00:53:05 Yeah, a hell of a team. They were hell of a team. Yeah, they ran to a hell of a team, man. Like the old four here and say, well, I'll be a monkey's uncle. Look, it's tough. because you're grading him against what he did based on what the expectations were when he arrived. Because this was supposed to be a different Clippers team. This was, as a matter of fact, you heard it.
Starting point is 00:53:41 The Clippers had taken over the Lakers. I remember the first night Kauai got there. There were people on television said Kauai Leonard made LeBron James look old. that this was Kauai Town you heard it I ain't making it up hey they had the Lakers number for a while now
Starting point is 00:54:01 until LeBron say you know what enough of this and you remember what LeBron did to him that's hey as a matter of fact he did another on Milwaukee he put that thing on Yonis on a Friday
Starting point is 00:54:14 and then came home that Sunday and took the game over yeah I remember I remember that I remember that I remember that And from that time On LeBron, they look back. Yeah. I mean, he pulled up in his lowrider, feet me, he got the crowd.
Starting point is 00:54:29 Yeah, he didn't think I saw that. On the rearview movie, he had a crown. He had LeBron cry. He dangling. You saw it too. Ocho saw it. Joe, you saw it. They talked about Kawai Town.
Starting point is 00:54:42 Yeah, yeah. I know about Chinatown, Korea. I don't know about North Guaya Town. Hey, they put, they put the Lakers over their lap, I'm spanking them boys. Dang. Until it matters. Until LeBron said enough of this.
Starting point is 00:54:59 It just like this year. What do you do? You remember? You'll remember it, Joe? What happened this year? What happened this year? Pull up your LeBron number last time they played. He had like 30-something.
Starting point is 00:55:14 Did another one. They were down. And then LeBron said, you know what? They got me people out here. These people got me bent. Yeah. Yeah. you better stop it
Starting point is 00:55:24 and and think about it Ocho Ocho got a senior citizen in class trying to give and talking about what grade you're going to give the man 41 No we're not going to use that
Starting point is 00:55:35 We cannot use 41 as excuse He's still playing He's just going to the time Huh You use that all the time I don't I don't I don't We just can't use that as
Starting point is 00:55:49 I tell you hold on Because he's still playing Hold on in 23 I remember we didn't have couldn't give him nothing but in year 7
Starting point is 00:55:58 so at 34 so LeBron James 34 he 41 now that was seven years ago yeah that put him around
Starting point is 00:56:06 20 that'll put him around 2017 2016 2016 he would lead a team to a championship at 34
Starting point is 00:56:18 the first man in NBA history to lead every both and points, rebounds, and steals and blocked shots. Yeah. And had a triple double in game seven.
Starting point is 00:56:30 You talked about the chosen one. You talked about the king, right? I'm saying at the same age, at the same age. Are we trying to... Hold on you trying to compare Kauai? Whoa. Hey, Joe, you're the league,
Starting point is 00:56:47 were they not saying at a time that Kauai was better than LeBron? Did you hear that, too? Joe, did you hear that? At one point. At one point. At one point. At one point.
Starting point is 00:56:56 What said that? But, hey, hey, he got bob. I think, I think, I think, I think when Kauai got bogged down with them injuries, you know, that kind of, that, they're weighed heavy on it. And, you know, LeBron ain't really had no real injuries like that. Nah. He got, he got, I think his foot one, one year. Hold on, when did LeBron, hold on, LeBron got to, LeBron got to the Lakers. They lost that championship in 2018, and LeBron ended up going to the Lakers in 20,
Starting point is 00:57:23 2018 in the summer of 2018 LeBron went there. So 2019 they ended up getting AD. LeBron led the League of Assess. 25, 10, and 7. Yeah. Yeah. He did that.
Starting point is 00:57:41 And he was the oldest man when he first got to L.A. first two years. He was the oldest guy to have 27, 8 and 8. Nobody else had ever done that after the age of 30. Big old Jordan,
Starting point is 00:57:56 Russ, everybody did it before 30. He did it after the age of 30. I don't even know why I brought that up. That ain't even none of my business. Hey, look, we already know he a bad man. We ain't, we ain't even, it ain't no discrepancies over here.
Starting point is 00:58:10 I already know. And we talk about 41, Joe. Yeah, it's impressive. It's impressive to still see him play at this high level. That's why I'm excited to see what he going to do this weekend. Well, how about this here? What if we give Kauai incomplete? Uh, incomplete.
Starting point is 00:58:26 Yeah, let's see what he gets incomplete. If he stayed there a couple of years and get a championship, let's just say it's incomplete. Hold on. If he's going to get a championship, it's not going to be in L.A. Huh? It's not going to be in L.A. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 00:58:41 Unless he go to the Lakers. Oh. Wait, but LeBron won't still be there, though. You don't know. Hey, look, LeBron knows more than likely if he wants to make, big time money. He's going to probably... I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for Film Never Lies. Since retiring from the NFL, I've had a lot of my mind, and now,
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Starting point is 01:02:09 Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I have to go somewhere and the chance of winning a championship isn't that good. No. I think LeBron knows that. When they didn't get, when they didn't give him that extension because normally, Joe,
Starting point is 01:02:31 they normally give him a dis, okay, we got another one plus one. Yeah. When he had to play this, when he played, because normally when LeBron played the contract out, he's looking to move.
Starting point is 01:02:45 What did he do with Cleveland the first time? Played the contract out, he dipped. What did he do in Miami? Played the contract out? He dipped. What did he do the second time in Cleveland? Play the contract out?
Starting point is 01:02:56 He did. every time in LA it was two plus one when he got to the plus one he always signed an extension this was the first time that it wasn't in his hand so what you're thinking
Starting point is 01:03:10 so what's the move what's the move gonna be this summer it's hard for me to see him leaving LA because he's playing with his son and I think a lot of people take that for granted yeah I mean but I think that's an amazing feat I enjoy watching them on the floor together despite what everybody else may think
Starting point is 01:03:26 And Brody getting better, Joe He is, man Brody getting better Yes, confidence You know what? Confidence is something else Especially in professional sports I know for sure in the NBA
Starting point is 01:03:38 It's everything And once you gain that confidence To where you know you belong Anka-Ocho You start to become a different player, bro Yeah Your approach to the game The way you move on the court
Starting point is 01:03:49 It's just Yeah, it's just right The way you walk The way you carry yourself You know I'm a bad man Yeah It's like confidence just ooves out of you, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:03:58 And I think Brunney is definitely getting an, like, I think the absence with A.R. and Luca has kind of thrust him, has thrust JJ Redick to have to kind of play him, you know what I mean? And, you know, he's been decent in his minutes. And I think he'll continue to get better. Yeah. If you notice, Joe, early in the year, he was getting no shot. He would drive the ball kick it.
Starting point is 01:04:21 Now he gets that ball, he's pulling up. You know what that is. And he's shooting it with confidence. Yeah. You know what Joe and Unk? What's that? Based on LeBron's history, on what he's done in Cleveland, what he's done in Miami,
Starting point is 01:04:38 what he's done when he went back to Cleveland, and then obviously being in LA this year, not doing that extension. And Joe, you mentioned the feat of being able to play, you know, with your son. Yeah. Now, he's done that already. He's done that already.
Starting point is 01:04:50 Now, there's one place, and there's one player in an NBA that LeBron has always said he wanted to play with. Who? And that will probably be where he would be next year. Right down the road, not that far from L.A. And go to the state? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:05 Yeah. Well, San Francisco, a nice little hunt from L.A., but I get your point. I don't see that. I don't see that. Huh? I don't see. Man, they got a lot of money tied up in guys that's kind of hurt, Ocho. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:05:18 I don't know how you think. Oh, you're talking about Jimmy. Jimmy and, you know, Moses. He got a nice. He got a nice. That Patel of Tenor, he ain't coming. Hey, you remember Sean Livingston had that? You remember how long it took Sean Livingston to come back?
Starting point is 01:05:33 Oh, Joe? Yeah, here's a gruesome, though. Oh, where... Yes. You saw Moody made... Moody had that indentation in his knee? I was like, oh, man. Ooh.
Starting point is 01:05:47 But, hey. That's a... That's a... They got to reattach that thing. Yeah. That's a gruesome injury to overcome. Damn. that might be worse than the Achilles.
Starting point is 01:05:59 You're probably right. I think you probably right. What brother Livingston did, how it happened? He, well, he tore everything in his needle. Yeah. Yeah, it was bad. You had to look it up, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:06:11 I can't even... No, I can't see that. He didn't even talk about it, boy. It was in game? Yeah, yeah, it was in game. Hey, but speaking of Brunney, kind of jumping back on, uh, Brony,
Starting point is 01:06:24 you know what I think is, helped him. Not only is he getting minutes, but they kept sending him to the G League down there. He's been playing, and, you know, he's been thriving, and I think that kind of, you know, he's kind of asserted himself a little bit to where he's played with a lot more confidence when they do put him in the game for the Lakers. So this is going to be a big series. Joe says, rupture the key leads tendon is generally considered a worse than a
Starting point is 01:06:48 Patel attendant injury, often being described as the hardest injury to overcome for an athlete, as discussed, while both caused a significant dysfunction, and Achilles tear often leads to more significant long-term loss of explosive speed, jumping ability, whereas Patela involves intense pain and severe knee instability. She just like, which is worse? Getting run over by a dump truck or a Mack truck. Because what happens is that because you're in that boot so long, the calf atropies.
Starting point is 01:07:23 Yeah. Now you're not able to, now you're not able to get up. But on the Patella, Joe, hey, I got to deal with his knee tendonitis. Ain't nothing worse than that Patella, that Patella tendinitis, man. Boy, hey, listen, you're talking to somebody who know.
Starting point is 01:07:37 You got to, hey, you got to stay in there splint to keep your leg straight for two months, bro. I'm talking about two months. It's hard to take a shower. It's hard to do any of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:48 You had to get paid because, you know, when you got injured, Ocho, I don't know, We had the big old, big old, big old, big old bands, a leather thing, plastic thing. Yeah. And we put, tape it up. Yeah. So you don't get, so you don't get it wet.
Starting point is 01:08:01 You don't get the cats. You know, whatever it is. You don't get it wet. But it's hard because, like, when you had the facility, you got all the showers to yourself. You got a, now, Joe, you know, Joe got that big old space probably like this here with a shower. We got about four, five shower heads up in there.
Starting point is 01:08:14 Joe, you know, you know what I'm saying? He had a thing. Probably coming off there like Lake Victoria. with that big shower here. Yeah, I got those big shower. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They be cascading you if they want to be beating up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:31 Hey, Uncle Joe, as bad as that injury is and being worse than Achilles with the advancement of technology and as good as it is now when it comes to therapy and rehab, you think it's still the recovery time for that. It's still as bad as it used to be. be. You see guys coming back, you see guys coming back from an Achilles. Look at Tatum.
Starting point is 01:08:57 He's back in 10 months. Hey, but them dudes doing around the clock work, though. Like, yes. You know, in hyperbaric chambers and all that stuff. They're doing everything. They do it infrared and they do it all that stuff. They didn't have that therapy back then. Yeah, the guy at the YMCA, he has
Starting point is 01:09:12 Oh, he's done. Oh, he's done. Insurance only going to pay for two weeks, two days after a week. He got 20 sessions. He goes twice a week. He got 20 sessions. I'm just telling you. Now, if you're PT really good, you got some really good insurance,
Starting point is 01:09:29 they might give you an extra six weeks. Yeah, yeah. Now, if you won't know after that, you got to pay for it, probably somewhere between $800 and $1,200 a session. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, them look two days after week ain't enough, though. I'm going to keep it real.
Starting point is 01:09:44 That's why if you ain't doing nothing on your own, bro, it's going to be hard for you to get back. Meaning like, it's kind of like guys who are only willing to get better when they go to practice. It may be doing nothing on your own, you ain't going to be that damn good. It's the same thing with PT. If I'm only looking to strengthen my knee when I go to physical therapy, and shit, it's going to take me forever to get back. Boy, I did this hip, Joe, I got home at 1.30, 2.30. I was walking in the yard.
Starting point is 01:10:14 I was walking around the yard. I had my walker. I mean, I was walking in the yard at first. than everybody was stopping and talking like, man, I thought that was you. Nah, let me take my ass back inside. Hey, hold on, you were doped up, though? No, no, I ain't, I just, they just gave me the anesthesia. So I don't take no pain.
Starting point is 01:10:31 I don't do no pain pills, man. I don't have no pain pills, man. I don't have no major surgery, you don't do no? Nope. You just deal with the- Because they call constipation, and I don't want to be dealing with that. Even though I got that chocolate milk and an apple remedy to go and get me right.
Starting point is 01:10:44 Yeah, they, they're mademize and stuff for how you stopped up, but. Yeah, man. Ain't no way, boy, I was so doked up, onk over here. I'm like, you know, I got out the car on my own, my lady, like, boy, you need to really, because, you know, she was on me about that. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:10:59 I like to walk around. I mean, I don't like to be bed-bound, you know what I mean? Man, that's the worst thing in the world, bro. Yeah. And probably about, probably like in 10 days, man, I was walking tired. I mean, I was walking a Tonka man.
Starting point is 01:11:21 Man, look. He was off leash. I mean, I would, because I didn't want to run the risk of, you know, him jerking me. But I let him walk out, walking around the neighborhood. Hey, every for a while, bring me that pain medicine. Because look. No, no, no, no, Joe, that thing made. But like I said, I mean, the pain medicine has you stopped up.
Starting point is 01:11:39 So I wouldn't do it in that. But even though I got, like, if I did take some chocolate, I'd get me like a glass or two of chocolate milk or some apple peels. Yeah. I'd be hauled chilling clean. Oh, I can. You know how you create them new cars up And that water come out of the tailpipe
Starting point is 01:11:54 You know the thing? Yeah, nice and clean. Yeah, man, like somebody smashed The pumpkin in the toilet. Man, ain't no way. Boy, hey, that pain wake you up in the middle of the night Because you ain't took the meds, boy, hey, you rocked me. I couldn't do it, Joe.
Starting point is 01:12:08 Boy, what? And then I ended up having an allergic reaction to the medicine that they did give me. I ended up having to go to UCLA medical. I don't remember you saying that. No, I ain't. man, I broke out with Hives, Joe, man. My throat started closing up, and I couldn't brush your breath.
Starting point is 01:12:27 Yeah, no, hey, hey, treat me like I'm in the hospital. If I'm knocked out, sure, me. Wake me up every four hours so I can pop the Epeel, boy. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I ain't dealing with that pain, old Joe. No, no, Joe, don't wake me up. It's like, Mr. Sharp, how you do it? I said, I'm doing fine until you brought your ass in here.
Starting point is 01:12:46 Yeah. They cut these lights on. Mr. Sharp, it's time to get you back. Oh, man, come on, man. I said, ma'am, if you don't mind, I'm good. I don't want no pain, medicine. My vitals are fine. If that ain't, like, be it, don't bring your ass back in here.
Starting point is 01:13:02 Come on, man, Joe. Hey, I mean, hey, I finally got me in a good old spot because, you know, you can't turn anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just laying out. I'm like, oh, yeah, finally. Here they come, and the door open up.
Starting point is 01:13:16 Man. Hey. And I'll be, so I'll be on swole. Hey, listen. Well, Mr. Sharp, we need to check your catheter. I say, I'm fine. You had a catheter? No, I had a hernia surgery.
Starting point is 01:13:30 And so they kept me overnight. Man, look here, Joe. I had to get up, go to the, I tried to get up, go to the bathroom. Every time I stepped, that thing hurt so bad. I showed that nerves. I say, ma'am, I say, it's not you.
Starting point is 01:13:47 So I just want to go ahead and put that out there. It's not you. I said, but you call the doctor. I say if he doesn't come here, first thing in the morning, if I'm not his first patient, I'm taking this catheter out on my own. Damn. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 01:14:04 I wanted to. Because I was going to do what he did. Take a deep breath and he pulled it out. Ooh. Oh, man. That thing hurt. Ooh, I mean, I'm hurting not thinking about it. Damn.
Starting point is 01:14:23 Oh, but hey, that's what I'm telling you. That's my grandma's saying. My grandma's like, Miss, we go up there to see her because she had been in there. She had done been in there for like three days because they end up amputating the leg. She's like, hey, she's like, baby, prop me up so when they come here, I can fool them.
Starting point is 01:14:38 Let them think I'm okay. But she told me a little because they said, when Miss Porter, you lost a lot of blood, and so we need to give you a transfusion. Man, Joe, Ocho. My grandma said, I don't. I don't want nobody else blood. She was just like, I don't want nobody else blood.
Starting point is 01:14:56 They's like, but Miss Porter, you really need it. She's like, she said, Libby, I don't want it. They's like, you live it. My sister was like, Granny, you need it. Man, they gave my grandma two pines of blood. My grandma started looking around. I started the water. She said, let me bring me the pan.
Starting point is 01:15:17 Everything they gave was she threw it right back up. Amen. She said, Libby, I told you, I ain't want that. So they come in and say with Miss Port. My sister said, nope, she don't want it. So they ain't give it to her no more. OKC Thunder now receive a lottery. Joe, do you know the Clippers are the gift that keep giving the OKC Thunder
Starting point is 01:15:47 now receive a lottery pick since the Clippers fail to make the playoffs. So they get their lottery pick, Joe. And you want to get this man to see. Well, that is his fault. That's Paul George's fault. But it is his fault. You know why his fault, Joe? Because he's bound.
Starting point is 01:16:05 Because he told them he's going to the Lakers. What was told he's going to the Lakers if you don't get Paul George. So they had to give up. And the clip and OKC knew. Y'all really want him, huh? How bad you want him. Yeah. Yeah, but that's not fair, huh?
Starting point is 01:16:24 You don't expect anybody to be hurt. He can't prevent getting hurt. But, hey, the OKC thunder lucky one. They got a... CP3 is trolling the clippers on IG. Come on, CP. Look what CP. No, CP ain't done that.
Starting point is 01:16:41 If it's CP3, that was 23 minutes ago. What? Hey, that's the Sunday school hands. Hey, hey, you're mad like that job. That's the funny school heads. Hey, they try a CP, though. so I understand it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:05 There's more to that story that ever been told and, you know, look here. I ain't no insider. So eventually one day it'll come out, but it ain't my story to tell. I stay in my lane. I'm a football guy.
Starting point is 01:17:22 I'm Daniel Alarcon, and this is my friend. This is much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far. But I'm John Green, co-hosted the podcast via Way End, with my old friend, On our podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup.
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