Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Wemby done for season + Bills RB James Cook joins

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to San Antonio Spurs star Victor Wembanyama being ruled out for the remainder of the season with blood clots, debate whether Luka Doncic will choose not to re-sign with the Los Angeles Lakers, and Buffalo Bills RB James Cook joins the show!06:15 - Introduction07:24 - Wemby out for season19:40 - Lakers under pressure with Luka26:00 - James Cook joins show43:00 - Shams reports Mark Williams shouldn’t have failed physical(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Victor Wimbyyama, excuse me. Down for the remainder of the season with a deep vein thrombosis. The San Antonio Express News reported that the Spurs are optimistic that Wimby will be ready for next season and that they're not as serious as the issue with Chris Bosh dealt with. If this is an isolated incident, the Spurs believe that it will be closer to what Brandon Ingram dealt with six years ago.

Remember, Ocho, in 2019, Ingram was diagnosed with a deep venous thrombosis in his right arm. That ended his 2018-19 season, but he went on to win 2019-2020 Most Improved Player. He has not dealt with clotting issues since. Also, Ocho, since he's being shut down, he's going to be ineligible for winning defensive player of the year because he won't meet the mandatory minimum of at least 65 games. Right. I have a question, huh? Yes.

How are they able to diagnose how much the severity of the issue is? And they're saying it's not comparable to what Chris Bosh had? No, they say their hope is more in line to what Brandon Ingram dealt with and not with Chris Bosh. Remember, Chris Bosh tried to play again. Right. And it reoccurred. Because normally when you have blood clots, Ocho,

you have to take blood thinners. That's something that you stay on for the remainder of your life so there's a problem because the cut because the uh the clots you take blood thinners you don't get clotting so what does that mean you get a nick you get a cut you could bleed out so there's always that there's always that scare right uh also probably i think you'll have a greater chance of a heart attack or something of that nature um my grandmother was on blood thinners uh right because she dealt with clotting and she ended up she ended up uh ending up having a leg amputated uh just below just above the knee and uh but like i said oh she was on blood thinners for the rest of her life and that's normally if i'm not not mistaken, Serena Williams dealt with blood clots also.

So it also depends on the severity of where they are. You start getting them in your lungs and boy, you got something to deal with. Any place of a blood clot, Ocho, could be a very dangerous situation. But they're saying their hope is more in line with what Brandon Ingram dealt with. He missed the remainder of the season. He was able to come back when most improved. Hadn't had an issue with it since. Not like Chris Bosh, what eventually

led to his early retirement. Now, one of the things I do want to ask you, being that obviously I'm not a health expert, I don't really know the background when it comes to things like this. Is this something that's hereditary? Does it just happen regardless of age? Clearly, he's 21.

I know. Chris Barnes was probably, what, 30? Yeah, 30. My grandmother was in her 60s. So what deciphers whether it happens regardless of age?

Is it diet, nutrition? I mean, when you think about somebody like Wimbum Yama, you think he eats healthy. He always has. I saw something earlier on Twitter today. Someone be slick at the mouth and say, I guarantee you he probably got the vaccine. I'm not saying, I'm not a conspiracy theorist I'm not sure if that has any type of

effect on whether you get blood clots or not you've heard stories that it does it's caused people to have blood clots that didn't have before after getting the vaccine, you think it's something that's probably in the family DNA, other people have

probably had clots that were part of the family and it just trickles down to everyone else? Without me knowing anything, Ocho, it's really hard to say. It says that blood clots are solid masses that form within the bloodstream when platelets

and fibrin, a protein, stick together, which calls the clot. You need some clotting because, hey, you get cut, you want your blood to clot, you start from bleeding.

Sometimes you take blood thinner, it thins your blood, there's nothing there to clot it. Okay, boom, that's another issue you could have. Obviously, you get blood clots,

you have a heart attack, you have strokes, it leads to a number of other underlying conditions. So, Ocho, without really knowing, I mean,

that would be something that you'd have to have a health expert to be able to, someone in cardiothoracic medicine or something like that to be able to give you more of a detailed look.

What do they think led to it? Is this something that is hereditary? Ocho, I really couldn't tell you. I mean, what seemingly is a 21-year-old healthier male? Yes, sir. And boom.

Like I said, Chris Botch was probably 30 when he got it. My grandmother was in her late 60s, early 70s when she got it. So I don't really know the rhyme or reason. Serena Williams got it. She was in her 20s. And I think, if I'm not mistaken, y'all can correct me if I'm wrong, I think Ser got it. She was in her 20s. And I think, if I'm not mistaken,

y'all can correct me if I'm wrong, I think Serena might have had it in her lungs, had one in her lung or something. Maybe it was a calf. I'm not sure. But people get them in a variety of, sometimes they get them in their thighs, sometimes they get them in their arms,

they get them in their lungs. I really don't know, Ocha. It's really it's really really hard um to understand some things are hereditary i'm not necessarily certain that blood clots are something that aren't hereditary right and that that's tough that's tough for him that's tough for the spurs that's tough for the fans obviously uh in san antonio um hopefully i'm hoping for a speedy recovery for him uh. He's able to come back strong next year and continue to dominate in the way

he has so far since he's entered the league. A phenomenal talent. Very good. Prayers to him and his family as well. I think Zarina because I think it happened at Wimbledon. I think she stepped on a glass,

a piece of glass or something. She was celebrating her victory. I think, happened at Wimbledon. I think she stepped on a glass, a piece of glass or something. She was celebrating her victory. I think I could, like I said, this probably been 20 years ago. So I'm just going off the top of my head, maybe even, I think it was like 20 something years ago. And she ended up getting a blood clot, if I'm not mistaken, in her lungs.

I think that's what happened, Ocho. Like I said, yes. As you're saying, yes, that's what happened. I think she stepped on a piece of glass, ended up getting a cut, ending up developing a blood clot in her lung, which was very, very, very, very serious. So hopefully, like you said, Ocho,

thoughts and prayers go out to a speedy recovery for Wimby, 21 years old, such a bright, bright future in front of him. So hopefully this is only a temporary setback for a major comeback. But you really do, like I said, they're hoping one thing you didn't know. I can assure you when Chris Bosh developed his, no one thought that this was going to force

his early retirement. You just never know. And then Brandon Ingram get it. And so I think for me, a lot of times, you know, you kind of expect, you pray for the best, you expect the worst,

but you pray for the best. Pray for the best. Because the one thing you are, you know, doctors always try to give you the worst case scenario because what they don't want to give you is a false sense of security. Oh, this is nothing.

And then they come back a day later. It's like, well, I'm sorry, Mr. Sharp and Mr. Johnson. It's a lot more severe I'm sorry, Mr. Sharp and Mr. Johnson. It's a lot more severe. So they try to always prepare you for the worst, but say, hey, pray and expect the best. And so it's always easier to get, oh, man, thank you, as opposed to like, whoo, oh, man, Lord have mercy, doc.

I wish you. Oh, yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? So, like I said, hopefully hopefully Wimby uh is because I mean he can do it all you're talking about a guy that's probably what seven seven four and a half seven five with shoes on uh he can shoot the three mid-range he defend at an elite level he looked like he was projected to be one of the all-time great players and historically great defensive players uh with his prowess blocking shots challenging

shots on the perimeter obviously around the rim everything is everything is and people you've seen people pull the ball out they get fast break and he's chasing they're like nah i got a better chance of launching a three than laying this ball up and having him painted against the glass um but uh hopefully would be uh this is like i, something that's very, very minor. It's not minor, but I'm going to say it. Hopefully it's something that he can bounce back from relatively quick. I think they said they're hoping that if everything goes according to plan, that he'll be able to resume

and be able to come back next season. So March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, I think they start to see them. So about eight months. So they'll see how it goes and move forward from there. But like you said, Ocho, we really don't know. I mean, because when I saw it, the Spurs were shutting Wimby down. I'm like, damn, the guy just played the all-star game

and y'all shutting him down? And, you know, the Spurs, Ocho, they normally are on the side of caution. Yes, sir. Hey, it was them that started the load management with Duncan and Parker and Ginobili. And then even with Kawhi as a young, young player, he got a load management. So they normally err on the side of caution.

But I was like, well, damn, they've been overly cautious with this situation. As I got up, Ocho, and I read that, because I just read the headline, Spurs win B-Down. So I'm like, well, damn. And then once I read it, okay, you understand why.

Yes, sir. So that's the Spurs are shutting Victor Wimby Yama down because of blood clots in his right shoulder. They said hopefully he'll be ready.

The word they use, Ocho, optimistic. That he'll be ready for next season. And this is not as serious as the issue that Chris Botch dealt with. Hopefully it's more in line to what Brandon Ingram dealt with. He missed a season, was able to come back, and

most improved 2019-2020. Got a contract, got another contract, just got it recently, signed a two-year deal, three-year deal with the Toronto Raptors. So hopefully we're praying for you, Wemby, and your family. So hopefully this is nothing

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you get your podcasts. Ocho, Brian Windhorse says L.A. is under immense pressure to get Luka resigned. He never said, I want to be a Laker. There are dozens of players over the years who have made it crystal clear they want to be Lakers. Luka never said that.

This hit him out of nowhere. Ocho, can you see the Lakers not resigning Luka in L.A.? Well, absolutely not. Listen, they need a superstar. They need—LeBron only has, what, maybe one, maybe two years left? Correct. There has to be a superstar to put butts in those seats. Correct.

And who is that? That is Luka Doncic. That is exactly what he's going to do. At some point, once he gets in shape, once he gets in rhythm, once he gets his legs and feet up underneath him, we're going to get to see the same Luka that we saw in Dallas.

Averaging 29, averaging 30, doing what he normally does every night. And he is the future for the LA Lakers. And absolutely, at some point, they're going to start building around him as a star. They're going to have to pay him, but when do they pay him? When does that happen? Well, I was reading the other day, Ocho, they said that Luka could sign a two-year deal.

So what is this, year eight for Luka? Asher, this year eight for Luka, he signed a two-year deal. That gets him to year 10. Now, he being alive, and he makes the All-NBA team, first team, one of those two years in the contract, now he's eligible for a Super Nat Max, and now he can get that $400 million contract. Is that how it goes, Asher?

Well, let me see here. Is it year seven? So he... Okay. So signs a two-year extension, Ocho. This is year seven. Next year, sign a two-year extension. So three years, he can sign. That'll be 10 years, get him to 10.

And now he's eligible for a Supermax. This is very important because here's the thing ocho you remember now you traded the guy that you really thought was going to be the succession plan to lebron ad you bring in a guy that's five years younger and say now instead of having maybe four or five years with ad we could possibly have 10 to 12 years with luca with luca now you've already traded ad you lose lose Luka, now what? Well, I don't think you're going to lose him.

You're not going to lose him. Obviously, he knows he's going to be the centerpiece and be the focus for the future of the Lakers. There's a lot of other teams he can go and be the centerpiece. Huh? There are a lot of other teams he can go and be the centerpiece. You know he's not leaving LA on? Come on now, you know better than that.

Listen, the historic franchise. They didn't think Shaq was going to leave Orlando. They didn't think LeBron was going to leave Cleveland. Did you think LeBron was going to leave Miami? Did you think LeBron was going to leave Cleveland a second time? Well,

yeah. He promised him something. He promised him something. He promised him something. He gave him what he wanted. And then he went on about his business. Did you think LeBron James was going to leave Cleveland? Remember, he was born an hour north of Cleveland in Akron. Yeah.

He left. Nobody saw it coming. Nobody. I'm trying to think. You don't just up and leave a franchise like that. Yes, you do. Not an organization like the Los Angeles Lakers. Not when you're the main focal piece of everything.

You are going to be the face of the Lakers. You understand that. He understands that. They traded for you for a reason. Ocho. He wasn't Wilt. He wasn't Kareem. He wasn't kareem he wasn't shack he wasn't bob mcadoo he wasn't lebron he didn't request to go there he didn't make it that's what that's my destination of

choice hold on now come on now let's let's let's let's be sensible right yes you're already you're already you're in dallas okay you're in a great place. They shocked you with a trade. Yes. You go to a historic franchise, a winning franchise like the LA Lakers where the Kobe Bryants have played, where the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has played. Yeah.

Where they're going to worship you. Where there has to be a star. Yeah. You are that star. And you think the time comes he'd rather go somewhere else where else is there to go where else so let me ask you a question if luca went somewhere else he wouldn't be the star he wouldn't be the center be the star but what better place is it than la ain't nothing better than that no disrespect to other places though for you that's

not for him does lucuka strike you as a guy that's in awe of that kind of stuff? Remember, the European players are different. You look at Nikola Jokic. He's like, when can I go home? We got the parade. Oh, man, I can't go back and get to my horses. They don't see. See, you're looking

at it through the lens of an American playing for the Lakers. You don't think Luka values the franchise and what it brings to him? The brand of playing for the Lakers? The brand of playing

for the New York Yankees? Or the brand of playing for the L.A. Dodgers? You don't think he understands that? And Miguel Soto left the Yankees and went to the Mets. That's right around the corner now. That Soto left the Yankees and went to the Mets. That's right around the corner now. That ain't them the Yankees.

That's not the Yankees. So, look, I'm not saying that he is, but I'm not saying it's not a foregone conclusion that he will resign. That's all I'm saying, and I agree that it's not a foregone conclusion that he's going to sign.

But I think it's very incumbent upon the Lakers that they're hoping and praying. And I'm sure they promised him the heavens and the earth. Because if they lose him, it's over. Because remember, they ain't got no draft picks. They just traded the 31. And I think they got, what, a 27? They just traded, what, they traded the 31st or the 29th? But they got one, you know, top lottery pick,

an unprotected pick. Yeah. Listen, listen. You done been around the game a very long time. Very long time. And you know. Juan Soto, not Miguel Soto. Juan Soto.

Juan Soto. Even though, even if he, European players, don't have that same feel for playing for historic franchises like the Lakers, you know good and well, he ain't going nowhere. I know good and well, he ain't going nowhere. We'll come back to this. Right now, we're being joined by two-time Pro Bowl running back, James Cook. James, thank you for joining us, bro.

What up, Juan? JC, what's up? What? What up, my boy? Wait, bro. What up, man? JC, what's up, boy? What up, my boy? Boy, let me hold something, man. You got it. Yeah, man. Hey, listen. Put it on the floor, boy. I'm gonna pick it up now. James, let's talk about this great season that you had.

Over 1,000 yards. I think, what, 15 rush touchdowns during the season. Had an outstanding, like we just dropped it. Bear with us, God. He's on his cell phone. He was kind enough to join us. He was not going to be in a situation where he could get land. I'm back.

I appreciate that, bro. Yeah. As I was saying, great season. Running the football. Revamped offense. As far as running the football, offensive coordinator first time, full time. He took over a year ago and he's halfway through the season.

When you look at what you were able to do in particular and what this team was able to do, considering all the pieces that you lost, you lost your two top receivers, Matt Milano was injured a lot of the season. A lot of your DBs, both of your safeties, and White, gone. Nobody really expected you guys

to be in this situation. Did you really think that you guys had a chance to end up being where you were in the AFC Championship game and, what, three points away from actually winning that game? Without a doubt um i mean when you got one seven back there is always a chance like that's what i say like i just feel

like he he one of the best and he gonna put us in the best situation to always win so when he back there and we back there and we connecting is is something great listen everybody always talks about josh allen they always talk about him losing we back there and we connecting is, is, is something great. Listen, everybody always talks about Josh Allen. They always talk about him losing, you know, some of the, some of the losing digs and,

and not having a superior, um, weapons on the outside. But what people don't talk about enough of is what you've been able to do. You take some of the pressure off of Josh, Josh Allen. Listen, you stepped into a bigger role in the Bills offense, you know?

How have you embraced being a centerpiece in that system? I just came to work every day, for real, for real. Like, that's all I can ever do. Like, I can control what I can control at the end of the day, but... Right. When you don't come in there and work

and you don't come in there and be that guy and be that leader in the locker and, and, and be that guy and that be that leader in the locker room, you will never be nothing. So that's what I tried to come and do. And I feel like it'd been working. I'm a team guy. I'm, I'm always coming in and work. And when it come on Sundays,

I got to, got to kill you. Jay, when I look at you guys, I mean, you, you, you get so close every year,

you had the best record and, uh, uh, and the AFC, uh, two years ago. And then you end up look at you guys, I mean, you get so close every year. You had the best record in the AFC two years ago, and then you end up losing to Baltimore. And then this year you had an unbelievable season and you lose to Kansas City in the championship game. What is the next step? What do you guys need to do in order to get over that hump, which is Patrick Mahomes in the AFC? You just got to be aggressive.

I just feel like you got to be aggressive. And with a guy like 1-5 back there, you just got to beat him. Moral of the story, I can't say nothing else. You just got to beat him. So when you come in games like that and you know when you're back against the wall, then you got to win. And you got your guys next to you.

You got to go win. You know you're playing one fight. You know how it's going to be. You know it's going to be ebbs and flows of the game, so you got to just control what you can control and go out there and play football at the end of the day. So you would like to be more aggressive early on. You feel like when you guys fell behind, then you became aggressive.

You like to see that from the word jump. Let's go. Off the rip. Yeah. You know, it never happens that way for some reason, especially when you get to playoff games with games of extreme importance. Most of the time, I think sometimes, especially from a coaching standpoint, as an offensive coordinator, you overthink.

You overthink the game instead of just playing free. You know, you already have what you've already done throughout the entirety of the season. Because you're playing the Kansas City Chiefs, there's no need to press. Just continue to do what you've always done. And you use your bell cow, you, for instance, in 17. And just rock out. And I think they lost sight of that or he the offensive court they lost sight of that once you got to that game and not allowing himself to just

just play freely call the plays freely because you got all you need right there in hand and i think for for one y'all are going to consistently be back you know obviously you're in the afc obviously i'm a bingo, but understanding what you guys have and I want to talk about you from an individual standpoint and how much your game has evolved from a rookie

to now and where you are right now. What do you think you need to work on? As good as you've gotten from your rookie season to this point, what do you think

you need to work on to continue to evolve at the running back position? I just feel like I just got to keep getting better and, you know, like, be able to be on to continue to evolve at their running back position? I just feel like I just got to keep getting better. And, you know, like, be able to be on the field every day, like, in key situations. Like, I feel like I could do it.

Shit, just look. At this point, like, what else more I could do? Right. So, I just feel like, man, just keep me on the field, and great things are happening. Hey, we also. Hold on., hold on, I got one more. I like this here, I like this. Listen, there are a lot of good running backs in the league, right?

You know, Henrys, the McCaffreys, even though he was injured for most of the season. If there was one thing you could take from one of the running backs in the league that you look up to and you're a fan of, if there was one thing from their game you could add to yours of the running backs in the league that you look up to and, and, and, um, you're a fan of, if there was one thing from their game, you could add to yours. What,

what, what would, what would it be? I go with Christian McCaffrey. Just like there's all the explosiveness that he got in his game and what he can do with the ball. And then so many positions that he can be in and you don't even know when he getting the ball and he's just getting the ball to just go this bitch.

Like, like all that. Like, all that. So, just putting that traits in my game and being able to learn from what he doing. I look up to my brother, so it's like, whatever he can, whatever I learn from him, I put that in my game. Just try to just go out there and play football.

All that in the day, shit, we've been doing it. Yes, sir. There are reports, James, and you can confirm or deny this, that you want to be the highest paid running back in the NFL. And men are like, hold on, wait a minute now. I don't know if he's earned that or he's deserving of that. What do you say to the people that says, man, James Cook don't deserve to be the highest paid running back.

I'm sorry. At the end of the day, I feel like we just going against running backs. Right. And I feel like we deserve to get paid. Because when they come down to the back end of the day, I feel like we just going against running backs. Right. And I feel like we deserve to get paid. And, and cause when they come down to the back end of the season, we, we,

we, we play a big part of this shit. Like, so however they want to take it, then I'm standing with the running back. Shit. We deserve it. Shit.

Now, if I'm not mistaken, you can correct me if I'm wrong again. Now it's reported that there were a phone call between a lot of the top running backs, yourself and McCaffrey and Derek Henry and Saquon Barkley, and I think Josh Jacobs was on that call. When you guys had that call, if you were on that call, what was that discussion? Yeah, we valuable, and we deserving what we need because we in the trenches every time.

Shit, we in the trenches every time. Shit, we bang shit. When they come down to the stretch, we, we, you, you gotta run the ball. So it's like,

like, how is we not valuable? Like, how is we not valuable? If we can, we, the back end of the season, you have to run the ball when it's snowing.

Y'all don't, this shit get six feet of snow. Like, we gotta run the ball so it's like what more can you like how's we not valuable like at the end of the day like here's this point blank period and you can see

like what we do and the position that we play we play a big part of offenses like just period. And you know what you are correct. In the NFL, owners, I'm not sure when that dynamic shifted

to where the running back position wasn't valued the way it used to be. Obviously during Unk's era, you know, during my era, you know, the running back was a very important position. And you guys can actually fight. You guys have a case.

You guys can voice your reason for wanting and commanding the kind of money you want because players like you, Saquon, Derrick Henry, Christian McCaffrey, and maybe two others,

you know, your Jonathan Taylor. We'll give it to Jacob. No, I'm going to give it to Jameer Gibbs. Yeah, Jameer Gibbs. Josh Jacob as well. You guys are at the forefront of being able to command

the kind of money you want because of what you guys are able to do and taking some of the pressure off your quarterback. When the team needs you guys to grind the clock out, who's the one to show up? Y'all. Bell Cow. Bell Cow.

That's what it is. And mostly you can play three downs. You's a goddamn dude threat. So you should be getting two goddamn checks. You can line up outside. You can catch it out the backfield. You can hand it off to you. I mean,

listen, it's, I'm with you, especially when it comes to getting paid because y'all bring a different dynamic than more than just being a running back. Cause you do more than just run the goddamn ball. And I can say just one thing, though. I just feel like, I just feel like,

like, we just do so much, like, just, like, by going to practice and doing all the little shit, right? And I just feel like we deserve enough of it. Like, like, why not? Like, shit, we work all our life to get paid. Like, send me the big bucks. Like, shit, why not, bro? bro like i want to go chase the highest highest

of the highest like and i'm gonna keep doing it like you know i'm gonna stand on what i stand on like you know and i don't want to feel like a cancer at all because i never i don't like all that attention and all that all that like that's not me like honestly like and i just i'm just standing on business man if. If you think about it. And what I deserve. Go ahead. No, go ahead, finish up. That's it, what I deserve. When I, if you think about it,

James, since McCaffrey got that 16 million, nobody's even come close to that number. And so now you know you're going to uncharted territory. You look at what Saquon got, I think Saquon got about 13 and a half. You saw what Derrick Henry got. He got about, what, eight and a half.

You see what Josh Jacobs got. I think he was around 12, 11 and a half, 12. So you know when you say you want to be the highest paid, and McCaffrey is at the number that he's after, you know you're reaching for the stars. Are you hoping you land on the moon and get something close to that or you want to

jump over that? I just want to get what I deserve. That's all. I just want to get what I ask for. That's all. What role did I ask you? I had a brother that played in the league before I got there.

I idolized my brother and I wanted to be just like him. What role did your brother play? And how good, because I'm surprised, I think everybody's surprised you didn't follow his path at Florida State. You went to Georgia. You're probably glad you did.

But what role did your big brother play in the guy that we see today that's turned into one of the premier running backs in the NFL? A big role, honestly. Just like, just if I ask him a question, it's just, he always there for me. It's like, he always tell me to be myself. Don't never, like, stop from what got you here

to, like, create myself to be somebody that I'm not. So I just feel like that's what he told me, and I'm going to continue to be in somebody that I'm not. So I just feel like that's what he told me, and I'm going to continue to be in myself and just always have that older brother in my ear to always guide me in the right direction. And that's my oldest brother, and I'm always listening to him. So I feel like he agreed to great shit.

He set the standard. So it's like, why not follow it? It's like, if I don't follow it So it's like, why not follow it? It's like, if I, if I don't follow it, it's like, I set myself short because I had

an older brother to lead the way and show me the ropes on how to get there. And if I don't follow it, I'm a failure. I feel like, you know what I'm saying?

So it's like, always just keep working hard and keep grinding and get what you want in life. Shit. That's what I like to think. Yeah.

Hey, you know, you know, it's funny when I think about it, I, I would, I would have loved the opportunity to have a brother, you know,

Santana, you, um, trying to think other, give me, give me one, one more set of brother. JJ,

TJ Watt. Yeah. TJ Watt. Yeah. That man, that has to be like the greatest feeling to have a brother. And when y'all were growing up, did y'all compete? Now, obviously, I know you went to...

I'm not sure. When he was that central, you wasn't there, though, obviously, right? You was a little younger. Yeah. Now, that has to be the greatest feeling. Bro, we still compete to this day. It'd be so crazy. We compete at UNO. Still?

Yeah, yeah. Hold on. UNO, we compete in the game. Shit, we, if we, whatever, we compete because, like,

we brothers and we understand, like, we never going to go against each other and we always understand, like, at the end of the day, you my oldest brother

and I respect you to the most up high and I never do nothing ever even fail my family like cause I know like

I was guided the right way yeah let me ask you this what are some what do you listen to to get you in that mood to get you locked in before the game

so what when you when you got the beats on you got the headphones on what you vibing with to get you locked in? I ain't even going to lie to you. I'm a young boy.

Okay. I'm a young boy time. And it's like, I got to get up. I got to get up for the game. So it's like, before the game, I slow down, listen to a little R&B. Okay. Calm myself down before the game. Never get too low, never get too high.

So pregame, getting myself together, I'm vibing to a little R&B. Calm myself down before the game. Never get too low, never get too high. So pregame, getting myself together, I'm vibing to a little R&B. Calm myself down. But before I get on the field, it's smell is hot. And young boys, it's time to go. Hey, has it ever bothered you, right? Obviously, being a Florida boy, you know how the weather is out here. It's always hot. You know, when we get a cold front,

our cold front is about 70 degrees. Has the weather, have you gotten used to the weather out there in Buffalo? Has it bothered you at all? Um, no. You can adjust it to it. I feel like that's a mindset.

Yeah. Like, shit, you got to go out there and feed your family, shit. What the fuck you going to do, shit? Got to go out there and play at the end of the day. Right. Hey, for sure. So I just start that shit up.

For what they're paying, I ain't got to be out there for two hours in it. I'm good. Sacrifice. Oh, yeah. Hey, James, thank you, man. Congratulations on a great season. You made the Pro Bowl. Hopefully bigger and better things to come in the future.

Hey, stop back by when you sign that big payday. Stop back by and drop something off for us. You already know, huh? That's it. I appreciate that, man. James Cook, ladies and gentlemen. All right, boy, holla at me. I got you.

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Oh, Joe, earlier today, Sean posted a statement from Jeff Schwartz of XL Sports Management. The overwhelming sentiment after conferring with multiple nationally recognized doctors is that the Lakers should not have failed Mark Williams on his physical. Ocho, what do you make of this? I mean, listen, that's one thing that, that's one thing. You hear my alarm? That's to wake me up from a nightcap. You know, doctors most of the time make mistakes.

Very seldom. Excuse me. Very seldom make mistakes. I think as a player, he should be upset. I'm not sure if he would take legal action. He can't. What you mean he can't? What are you going to do? What are you going to say?

There's nothing wrong with me and you failed me in the physical? That's not his call. He's not a doctor. They failed him on the physical. If there's nothing wrong with him and you failed me, who's responsible?

Let me ask you a question. So Drew Brees should have sued the Dolphins because they failed him on the physical. Hold on. His shoulder was messed up, huh? His shoulder was actually messed up for real. Well, maybe to their standard, his knee

or his back is messed up to their standard. You got to realize each team sets the standard in which they will or won't pass it. We took Mark Florez. He had terrible knees. But if you want it, you take it so if you don't you failing how about this yes how about just say how about just telling the truth you know what we

really don't like we really don't want you you really don't fit what we're trying to do you're not the type of player we're looking for it does fit what they want to do luca wanted a lob threat if you go look at what they got with Lively, look at what they got with Daniel Gafford. That's what he wanted. He wanted a law threat. That's why they were willing to trade young Dalton Connect just in order to get him to appease

Luka. So they absolutely wanted it. But, here's a guy that's 22 years old. Come on now, here's a guy that's 16 and 9 why they trading it oh don't it make you think

what's going on when somebody they start trading he got like hold on why'd you trade him he's 16 and 9 he's 22 something ain't right see the Hornets contested

it like there's nothing wrong with him. But the NBA is like, bro, they medical team, they medical staff, thank Dr. Eletroge, Mia Eletroge, they got some, the Curlin-Joe Clinic is what handled a lot of what the Lakers do. I know those guys, I went to the Curlin-Joe and they

did both hips. Yeah. So I'm very familiar with them. But like I said, Ocho, your doctor said, hey, man, Shannon, good to go. Another doctor said, man, boy, I don't even know how you walk. Something ain't right now. As doctors, right, I think everybody had the same protocol. Everybody had the same procedures. It's not like one doctor

doing something different than the other doctor when they've all learned the exact same way, especially when it comes to looking over patients, especially players that play at the highest level.

So how one get it wrong and the other one get it right? Something ain't making no sense. Ocho, you have to understand each team has to have their own set of rules, their own set of what they will and won't accept.

It's like that, you think, let me ask you a question. Do you actually think all 32 team NFL doctors have the same guidelines on what they will and won't pass a guy on the physical?

No, absolutely not. When you go to the combine, some team doctors failing, some team doctors don't. Some teams have red flags, some teams don't. Did you hear what you just said? Yes. If they like you, regardless of what happens in those procedures, they will sign you if they want you.

If they know they can use you. Yes. So why not just say you don't want him? Because he had no problem playing where he's playing now. That's them, Ocho. Okay, all right. You're right, you're right. You're right.

You make it seem like, Ocho, this is a professional setting. Why don't the doctor just tell you you're going to die? Just be truthful. Why don't they tell you that, Ocho? Why don't they tell you, hey, you're not going to be able to do this

or you're not going to be able to do that? Come on now, Ocho. The medical is different. You just can't tell somebody. You try to be as positive as you possibly can. They don't tell you one way or another. Let's see what happens. I get it.

I get it why his agent, that's the Lakers. Would you rather be in Charlotte or would you rather be in L.A.? Playing with LeBron and Luka or playing with Miles Bridges and the Lamello Ball? Now, which would you rather be? I mean, obviously L.A. Okay, exactly.

You see? You see what you just said? Which would you rather be? Yes. And now that goes back to my question. Why would you think Luka would want to leave? Because Mark Williams is American. Let me ask you a question. Does

Luka, look at the American players, look at the European players. Ocho, when they retire, what do they do? They go back. Yeah. They don't stay in LA. They don't stay in wherever they played at.

They go back. It's not the same to them. You're looking at it from our perspective as being Americans. And a lot of people look at America or they look at LA and they look at New York like, ooh, that's where I want to be. But that's not how they perceive it.

And so you have to look at it through their lens. And so, Luca, go ahead. It's funny, when I think about it, I think about Miami, right? And I'm not talking about basketball in a sense. Miami is a melting pot for every ethnicity.

Even if you are from wherever it is, this is a place you want to be. Why? Because you have a community that looks just like those that are where you're from. When I think about LA, where's Luca from again? Slovenia. I guarantee you there's a Slovenian community in LA

because there's every ethnicity, restaurants, people. So why wouldn't you want to be there? It's not like you're going to be by yourself. It's not like you're going to be in solitude. Those that think and are like-minded just like you, from your community, from your community, from your background, are right there.

Because here's the thing, Ocho. You say they got communities. What does Slovenians have? 95, 98% Slovenians. They don't got a community. They got a whole country. So, you know, it's like, look, you got little Haiti.

You got little cute little Havana. Yeah, here. Everything. Guess what Cuba got? Big Havana. Yeah. Hey, but you know what? Don't nobody want to be there.

That's a bad example. Don't nobody want to be there. They definitely don't want to be under that regime. right but uh look i i i get what you're saying it's like we're bro but it's just like anything i mean some doctors when you go to the combine some doctors gonna say hey down the road he might i see i feel abnormal laxness in his knee right i feel abnormal laxness in his shoulder guys might, some doctors might say, nah, I don't see a problem. But here's the thing.

You don't see a problem and two years in, that guy's Nick. You know you're out. You know you're going to be out of a job, right? Yeah. So that's why they err

on the side of caution. Yeah. You know, they err on the side of caution depending on who it is. Mm-hmm. They err on the side of caution depending on who the is. Mm-hmm. They err on the side of caution depending on who the player is. Because, Ocho, you got to realize them basketball players guaranteed.

Now, that Joe will get hurt. Guess what? That $200 million, he going to get all that. That $300 million, Ocho, he going to get all that. That's the chance we have to take. That's the chance we have to take, again, depending on who the player is. I mean, look at, no disrespect, no disrespect, you know? Kawhi Leonard.

Yes. Paul George. I mean, there are a number of players that I can name that got the bag because of what they can do on the court, and unfortunately, due to unfortunate circumstances, they got hurt. There's nothing they can do about that. Just because somebody else is foolish, that don't mean I got to be foolish. Now, deep down inside, what you think they're thinking about giving Joel Embiid,

when he had two years left, another three years at $193 million? So now he's got five years at $240 million coming. Right. How you think they're thinking about that, Ocho? Can I ask you a question? Yeah. When Joel Embiid is on the court, and he's feeling okay, you know what you

get, right? Let me ask you to see what you just said. Before you said court, what four-letter word did you use? Win. Right. Win. He's played 412 games he's missed 405 is there another replacement for Joel Embiid

is there another Joel Embiid out here hell I can't get Joel Embiid out there I don't need a replacement I just need him I don't need a replacement I need his ass out of the corner. You don't talk about the replacement. But again, this is what I'm talking about. This is what I'm talking about, too.

Now, we talk about a special player. Yes. That ain't just, you ain't just picking him off the trees like that. That you will take the chance and pay him what he's getting paid despite the amount of games he missed. Why? Yeah. Because he's special.

Yes. And you understand what you get when he is on the court. So you know what? We're going to pay him because we know what we get when he is on the court despite the injuries he may have. Yeah. And that's the difference in young bull that's in Charlotte who had the opportunity to play.

If he was anything like a Joel Embiid, he'd be with the Lakers. They would have definitely passed him on that test. But if you think about it, Ocho, Philly going to be in a big. Now, good luck trying to get off Paul George. He just signed four years at $200 and whatever million. Joel Embiid got 240, 260 coming.

Now, what's the likelihood of these guys getting older, they get healthier? It's tough. It's tough, man. It's tough. And listen, as they get older, what you can do, I could be

wrong, but don't have them on the ball as much. Allowing them to, I mean, as a player, I think you have to evolve where you don't need to touch the ball as much, where you're not putting as much stress and work on yourself. I'm sure there's a way that you could make it happen. You're not the main focal point. Well, Paul George isn't the main focal point.

He was supposed to be that third wheel. He was supposed to be Joel Embiid, Tyrese Maxey, and Paul George. That's what it was supposed to be. But it looks like now it's Tyrese Maxey team. And it's Tyrese Maxey, Joel Embiid, and Paul George. But Paul George has been nicked from the jump. Joel Embiid. The problem that I got with Embiid, if you think about it, Ocho,

he got hurt at the end of the season. Right. He was Nick during the postseason. You would have thought that, you know what, I'm going to take my, you know what, guys, I know I promised you guys I was going to come to the Olympics, but I got to get healthy. Because if I'm Philly, I wouldn't have let him play. No?

Hell no. Gold medal versus me trying to win a ring. Gold medal, ring. Olympics don't pay no money. I appreciate it. And I know Joel Embiid is extremely happy. He immigrated from Cameroon. Everything is so much of what he's been given from America.

And he's grateful and he's thankful and he should be. But at the end of the day, Ocho, the Olympics don't put $500 million in your pocket. The Philadelphia 76ers have. I got you. I got you. And so that's just my thinking. Me, bro, I would love to

be on that last ride because what we had, the Bird, Magic, Jordan, you had Steph, Durant, and Braun. To be a part of that and to win the gold, I watched that Netflix special.

It was unbelievable. Following the Olympic team and guys trying to, and they got access to, you hear the Canadian team and you see Lithuania, not Lithuania, the Serbian team with Jokic and Bogdanovic, and you got the Americans.

But no, no, no, bro. You compromise the sixth season, Ocho, because he hasn't been healthy for not one day since the season kicked off has Joel Embiid been healthy. Dang. Yeah. And I feel bad for the 76ers. I really do. Because they're doing everything they possibly can. Look, they got Ben Simmons. That didn't work out.

I mean, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever. They had James Harden, and James Harden is like, he's the Harden of all, you know, he wanted to be there, but he wanted his money. He took a pay cut. Yeah. And that's what, that's what, that's what they ain't going to show. Stop taking pay cuts.

Stop giving these teams discounts. Yeah. Because they get you over the barrel, and then they're like, well, we're not going to pay you. Nah, James Harden's like, whoa, wait a minute, bro. I need that bread. So, hopefully, we'll see.

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