Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Wolves go up 3-1, Jayson Tatum injured, Mavs win NBA Draft Lottery

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and NBA Legend Joe Johnson react to Round 2 of the NBA Playoffs featuring Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Vikings taking a 3-1 lead over the Golden State Warriors, Jayson Tatum suffering an injury as the Boston Celtics fall as the New York Knicks take a 3-1 series lead, the Dallas Mavericks winning the No. 1 overall pick in the 2025 NBA Draft, and much more!01:47 - Introduction03:44 - Timberwolves v Warriors21:17 - Knicks v Boston51:40 - Mavs get number 1 pick in draft(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And again, it was the same two guys. Julius Randle had an outstanding night. 31 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Ant-Man went crazy in the third quarter. He had 30 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, and that was enough to push them past the Steph Curry-less Warriors.

I don't know what's going on. I don't know what happened with Jimmy Butler tonight. He knows 9-shot attempts ISO is not nearly enough. Kaminga came to play. Kaminga gave him 23 points off the bench.

He was 6-13, 11-12 from the free throw line. Jimmy Butler, nine field goal attempts. Buddy Hill had more field goal attempts. Pods had more field goal attempts. Draymond Green

had more field goal attempts. With Steph is out, this is why you make the trade for Steph Curry. Jimmy Butler's supposed to win you one game minus Steph Curry, Ocho. That's what's supposed to have happened. And right now, I don't know what's going on with Jimmy. Maybe he has an injury. But nine field goal attempts, he wasn't aggressive at all. He was coming to a jump stop, passing out of it.

And it did. Like I said, I don't know what's going on health-wise, body-wise. Maybe he got an injury that they're not reporting. But this effort tonight is unacceptable. To me, Ocho, he look horrible. He don't look healthy. You know what I mean? He don't look like he's moving right out there.

And like you said, it's just like a lot of the moves that he's making, they kind of codicle that, you know, he can't get nothing from him. It's like he's moving right out there. Like you said, it's just like a lot of the moves that he's making, they kind of codicle that he can't get nothing from him. It's like he's looking to pass. He's not even the same. To even be aggressive, to even score, because they definitely need him to put up points. But let's be honest, man. Them folks ain't got enough firepower to be messing with Minnesota,

not without Curry. But here's the thing, though, Joe. Who is he going to pass it to? Draymond? He going to pass it to? Draymond? He going to pass it to Pogs? He going to pass it to Tyson Jackson Davis? He going to pass it to Alou? I'm just trying to figure out who is he going to pass it to

that can help him get points. Yeah. You know, if... Go ahead, Joe. Now, I was just going to say, if anything, Joe and Unk, I really think there's something wrong with Jimmy. We know what Jimmy can do

when he takes the game over and obviously trading for him and him understanding that Steph Curry is not playing. And Jimmy's one that can he can show that load. He can put that team on his back. And the fact that he came out tonight and he wasn't as aggressive and assertive as he should be. And knowing that, listen, if we don't score points, it got to come from somewhere. And it should start with me. I'm not going to start the game facilitating. I'm not going to pass the ball. I'm going to do everything I can

knowing that one of the one individuals on the team right now that can put the ball on the floor and score from anyone on the court is me. I mean, you were expecting to be aggressive tonight, so I think there is some type of lingering issue or something going on with it. Yeah, let's not speculate.

Let's go with what we know. My bad. My bad. Because that's what you always tell me. You say, oh, hey, it don't matter. You out there on that field. Hey, I expect the effort. And he was not aggressive. Kaminga was 11 to 12 from the free throw line. Jimmy Butler got to the line five times. That's not nearly aggressive enough. And like you said, I mean, he was minus 30 and plus minus. And remember the other night, Joe, in game three, it was a situation where the last eight minutes and 16 seconds, he didn't score a bucket.

When the game could have been going back and forth, it could have been teetering. That was the opportunity. Julius Randle has been great this playoff series. He had a career-high 31 points. Julius Randle, 25-point playoff games. As a T-Wolf, he had three of those. As a Knick series he had a career high 31 points julius randall 25 point playoff games as a t-wolf he has three of those as a nick he had one i don't know what it is maybe he's more

comfortable maybe he's but maybe the uh there's more of an opportunity it's kind of hard but all i know is he's playing outstanding and this is what you expect from your one two punch you need your one two punch to be that, and then I'm going to give some production. Okay, let me see what I can do to help you out. McDaniels, I got you 10. Mike Conley gave you 11. Alexander Walker, I gave you 13.

Okay? Yeah. Mike Conley gave you 11 tonight. And in a situation, your two big guns go off. Well, you're minus one of your big guns with the Warriors. Now the other big gun needs to go off and that's jimmy butler he's looking to pass the ball to the guys that's not scores i can see if he's passing about if he's passing if it's like brunson who's passing the ball to uh cat yeah okay i get that yeah okay cat cast an all-star casting all nba player i get that who is jimmy butler passing the ball to that we know of as scores,

that we think of like, you know, okay, I can see this. I mean, what? Outside of Kaminga. Man, that's damn near basically it. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Maybe he was hoping for Buddy Hill to have another one of them games. Ah. Hey, but listen.

Oh, you what is up, my buddy? My buddy. Ah. Hey, but listen. Oh, you want to say, my buddy, my buddy. My buddy and me. They get along. But Joe, you talked about it, Joe, what they're doing. They're running him off that three-point line. They're not letting him spot up and shoot now.

So he's not a guy that's going to take you off the dribble. He's not Steph Curry. He's not Dame Lillard. He's not one of those three-point shooters that can pop, pop, pop and get up, get, elevate the shot. He He's not Steph Curry. He's not Dame Lillard. He's not one of these three-point shooters that can pop, pop, pop and get up, get, elevate the shot. He needs a catch and shoot.

Yeah, so like when all attention is on Steph, it's easy to play in that role. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. You can just kind of hide or just, you know, kind of spectate to some degree and the ball just kind of finds you. But I think we really have to give Minnesota the credit, Ocho. Especially Randall. I know Randle has heard the whispers.

He's heard the whispers. And I think just throughout this whole playoffs, he's been pretty consistent for them. He's been special for them against the Lakers. And in this round, the Warriors have no answer for him. And I appreciate it because when Ant-Man doesn't really have it going

or he takes the backseat to some degree, meaning he understands he's going to get doubled. So he just kind of absorbs it, throws it to Randle, and Randle kind of goes out and makes plays. He's not only scoring the ball, Arnke Ocho, he's distributing at a nice factor for a guy his size. And he's taking advantage of the mismatches every time. He's making them pay it.

Yeah, Drew Randle had it going early. He had like 19 points early, so he got it going early. Everybody took a back seat. But the problem that they have, the Warriors have, excuse me, the goal that T-Wolves can do is that they don't have to double anybody. There's no Steph on the court. So I don't have to double anybody.

So I don't have to scramble and leave guys wide open for wide open threes. Buddy Hill is not getting those wide open threes that he got in the last series. And he got the first game with Steph Curry was in the game. He's not getting those. Right. And so with that being said, now everybody's locked up man to man.

I mean, it's not like Draymond's a threat. So Rudy Gobert is not putting a situation that he needs somebody to come help. Okay. Drew Randler can take a Jimmy Butler straight up or Ant-Man can take him straight up. And then you got McDaniel. And then you got Conley.

So who do we have to help off of so somebody else, Ocho, can get a wide-open shot? Nobody. Because they figure that the Warriors don't have nobody who could just consistently beat them. Yeah, Draymond's going to make a couple threes. We're going to live with that. That's not going to beat us.

That's not going to beat us. That's not going to beat us. He's going to make... What did I tell you, Ocho? I said, anytime Draymond take the first two threes, oh, we look good. Because I like this. I like this. I like this kind of party.

Hey, you know what's funny? It's amazing to see, obviously, with Steph being out, and I'm sure there are other teams like this, and something that I didn't even know, and I didn't learn until I started talking and watching basketball with you guys, you know, this season. And now even more has come to a head with understanding that most of the players

on certain teams, they have weaknesses and they have strengths. So with a star like Steffi, now it's coming to a head where I'm looking at now, I'm noticing, well, God damn, with Steffi now, I understand how much,

how great a player he is, but I didn't know how great he was and how he made everything else work more on the round. Because now that he's out, now you have others. The scoring is not coming from anywhere else. Jimmy Butler is not playing like playoff Jimmy, the Jimmy we used to see. And now you have the rest of the supporting cast. Nobody can do anything on their own.

They're weaknesses. You know, in football, you have 11 players on the field, most of the time there's certain players you can hide what they don't do well. Right. Hide it for a little bit. Now in this playoff atmosphere with Seth being out, well, yeah, everybody's being exposed for what they can do as opposed to what they can.

Yeah. But that's the problem. It's like that in any playoff series. In football, if you have a weakness, what do the team do? They exploit it. Whatever you're bad at, whatever you're bad at, it come playoff time, it gets exploited. In fact, a small example for those in the chat that don't know basketball,

like these two do, look at the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. The offensive line. The offensive line has been a problem all year. All season, Joe. And all of a sudden, they go to the Super Bowl. The offensive line. The offensive line. Offensive line has been a problem all year. All season, Joe. And all of a sudden, they get to the Super Bowl. And oh my goodness. It comes to a head

and it's exposed tremendously. Yep. And that's what happened. And that's now... Steph, you got to double Steph. Yeah. Because Steph get the ball, we're going to try to run doubles at him.

Okay, now Buddy can catch and shoot. Okay, now there are cracks in the defense. Jimmy can get to the lane. Either he's going to lay the ball up or you're going to foul it. Well, with no Steph, we can play you honest. You ain't going nowhere. Because, Jimmy, you're the only one that can create a shot for yourself. Draymond is really not creating a shot for himself.

Buddy Hill's not creating a shot for himself. I mean, who else in the starting line? Hard, he's okay. Tyson, Jackson Davis, really? So, Kaminga, Kaminga, but Kaminga, you know, Kaminga comes off the bench. He played 30 minutes. I'm not worried about Kevon Looney and all these other guys that got in in mop-up time, Gary Payton II.

That's not what he does. He's a defender. He's a 3 and D guy. He can, you know, spot up and shoot. But he's not looking to take somebody off the dribble. That's Steph. But Steph is more dangerous because so much attention is focused on him man somebody robbing you blind

over here you look at that Steph because you know what he's capable of and they robbing you blind right at your front door they go to the front door they got your TV

they got your refrigerator your microwave hey listen you're staring at your system and you worried about Steph and Steph got his hands in his pocket and next thing you know like hey who stole my ink Word by Steph. And Steph got his hand through his pocket.

And next thing you know, like, hey, who's throwing my it? You'll be looking at me the whole while. And that's why Minnesota's playing the defense that they're playing, you know, and switching because it takes you out of your countless that you can do if you're not switching. So they're switching playing man up, man to man defense, mano a mano. Let's see what you got in your bag. We don't think you can score enough points for us to have to double anybody. And they did, bro.

They took care of business. They came to Golden State, did what they were supposed to do. Obviously, you know, I know they wanted to get home quarterback. And with Steph being out, I mean, come on. Yeah, we know it's going to be an uphill climb, Joe. We know Steph. It's just not because T-walls are too high power. When you got your two big

guns playing the way they've been playing this whole postseason, and then you get these other guys chipping in, it's going to be hard to beat them because it's hard for the Warriors to come by points. Right. Because, so, if I got two guys going off, and we're going to talk about this a little later, you look at the Knicks. You see how the

Knicks' big guns went off? Okay. We're going to offset JT. We'll talk about him in a minute.icks big guns went off? Okay, we're going to offset JT. We'll talk about him in a minute. We're going to offset JT. We'll offset Derek White. Okay, so Brunson go get his, and now Cat get his, and now you let OG get his. You let Mikael Bridges get his. You

can't overcome that. So now you got June Randle and what you call him combining for 61. Okay, I need Jimmy to at least give me 30, 35. Yeah. So now you got Drew Randall and what you call him combining for 61. Okay. I need Jimmy to at least give me 30. 35. Yeah. So now, now if he gives me that, these other guys chipping in, that helps. But when all the, the, the lean score, Kaminga had to lose his lean score.

He had 23. But then I got my starters got 14, 5, 14, 13, 11. If you add all that up together, that ain't 60. But I got my starters got 14, 5, 14, 13, 11. If you add all that up together, that ain't 60. It did. It did by the time I get that 13 from Nikhil Alexander-Walker and I get that 11 from Conlon, I get that 10 from McDaniels. It's a wrap. That's your game.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Celtics not making it. But anyway, the Knicks, because I don't know if there's anybody on the West. OKC don't got no following. They ain't got no national following. Ant-Man might bring some draw, but you need the Knicks. Yeah, hold on. Ain't nobody else. I mean, really, Indiana?

Hold on. You done seen them in the finals. You know what that is, Joe. You saw them in the finals. You remember. Hold on. Even when. You talking about back in the day.

With Shaq and Kobe yeah I mean so you and think about it so you got to have that that that domino on the other side Lakers Shaq and Kobe yeah you got the Knicks New York hey it's funny to sound like sound like the fat lady singing huh I mean both you know your tune done changed now cause before the series

started I asked y'all who y'all had y'all told me Celtics all of a sudden now we're dying to see if we're gonna win the series it's some discrepancies

it's some discrepancies in the series Ocho discrepancies that's what it was it's some things that have transpired hey look

allow me to write to B-Roll, but man, listen. I told you. I told you. Sometimes y'all gotta listen to me when I tell you things. I understand you're the expert. You played at the highest level. You've been doing it all your life since you was four years old.

You know basketball in and out like the palm of your goddamn hand. But there's something about me and my ability to tell the future, despite the Knicks being the underdog. It's something about that goddamn big body Brunson. Listen, I just heard today, and I didn't even know. I asked, listen, I tweeted, does Jalen Brunson have a Supermax deal? And everybody told me, listen, Young Bull was a class act, decided to take a hometown discount, a friendly discount

so they could put a team around him and get some of his boys in here from Villanova and they're cutting the fool. Now, I don't know, is the owner named James Dolan, right? James Dolan? Now, I know a lot of people got a lot to say about him, but if I was the owner, me and how I would move,

whatever that Supermax would be, I'm not going to wait. I'm going to pay him under the table. For what I'm getting in this postseason? Nah, don't do it. Don't pay that under the table. The last team to try to pay somebody under the table, David Stern put a penalty on them so hard it got KG up out of

Minnesota. They tried to play Joe Smith. He took three first round draft picks. It crippled him. Wait. Don't do that. You can't. Oh, hell no. Hell nah. Hey, listen. It's like the death penalty

in college. They gave SMU, they put the death penalty on them? I understand what you're saying, and Joe, but if you're looking with Brunson and Bader, not just doing forget just the playoffs. I'm talking about for helping the Knicks get from where they were from the entirety of the season to getting to this point to I think nobody even gave them a chance to win this series to be in a 3-1 and Jalen Brunson having the night to night.

Come on now, 39-14 for 25, three fade. I mean, what, 3-8 from 3. 7-9 from the free throw. Well, let's talk about this. Let's talk about this, Joe. I'm finna get to the spot, and he finna get to a spot in that midi range, Joe. Whether he wanna go on the hand, whether he wanna pull up, ain't nothing

stopping him. Every time. Y'all told me Drew Holiday was the one that stopped him. Let's get to it. The Knicks take a 3-1 lead against Boston. Draylon Brunson drops 39 against the Knicks to win at home. They take a commanding 3-1 series lead in the East Semis. Brunson has 102 fourth-quarter points through 10 games of the playoffs, joining Kobe Bryant in 2001 and 2003 as the only players with 104 quarter points in his first 10 games of a playoff run.

He got contributions. Carl Anthony Towns had 23 and 11. Mikael Bridges was 23, 7, and 4 steals. O.G. Alanobe had 20 points with four made threes. Mikael Bridges, the first two quarters combined, if you go look at the series he has the first second and third quarter combined he has 28 points in the fourth quarters he had 26 that's clutch uh jason tatum was having a night of nights before he goes down we don't want to speculate but it did not look good we'll see they're

gonna get an mri tomorrow but when you crumble like that and he was wailing he was you know he was crying and he had to walk. They got him back. They helped him off the court, and when they got him back to the locker room, they checked him in the tunnel. They got him in a wheelchair. So we think something seriously is wrong, but let's wait for the

MIs, and I don't want to put that into the air. Knock on wood. Hopefully everything turns out okay. But he had a night. He had it going. 42 points, 8 rebounds, 4 steals, four assists, two blocks, seven made threes. He got help from his guy, Derek White, with six of 12, six of 11 from three, five of seven from the free throw line. But Jalen Brown's got to be better. Jalen Brown's got to be better.

He's shooting 38% from the four, Joe and Ocho. He's shooting 22% from the three. That and Ocho. He's shooting 22% from the three. That's not good enough. You are a max player. You got to play like it. Jalen Brown is 29 of 77 from the floor. He's 7 of 31 from the three. He has 14 turnovers with 13 assists.

That's not good enough. And it was his turnover. Not that it was a turnover, that it you know it was a turnover but tatum tried to get the ball and he crumbled to the ground yeah if it it does look the injury doesn't look good now who knows we know tatum can catch fire and he had it going in the fourth quarter but the way the knicks were playing the way brunson and McHale Bridges couldn't miss, I don't know if even when Tatum was in the game, they were going to win that game,

considering what's called when you got 37 in the third, they got 70 points in the second half. When Tatum went down, I think that he was already losing the game, even though he was playing. I think they were down by five. Yeah, they had got down by five. The Knicks are just gritty, man. they've been like that you know for quite some time and they gritted out they've been gritting out you know playoff wins throughout this whole post

season nah we didn't expect i'm gonna be honest we a lot of us didn't expect for them to win the series they won the first two then they opened our eyes but But, man, we have injuries of, like, it's going to be hard for Boston to be able to compete with these dudes. They're not going to compete, not without Jason Tatum. And see, Joe, that's why you take care of business the first two games, because maybe you can win a game. Maybe you can win one game without Jason Tatum. You're not going to beat the Knicks three times without Jason Tatum.

They got no contributions tonight from Al Horford and Holiday. They got nine points combined between them. Now, on the flip, they like, Holiday not aggressive. Like, they playing almost 35 and 40 minutes, and they shooting two times, five times. Three for

seven. Like, you gotta get more production from those guys, man, offensively. You know, it's just, somebody has to pick it up. Yeah. But it's hard to be aggressive when you're jacking up threes. They shot 48 threes. So how aggressive are you going to be if you're shooting that many threes? Because clearly, you're not driving the basketball.

You're not trying to get to the rim. Because, look, Jason Tatum had 42. He had three or three from the free throw line. Al Horford shot two free throws. Holiday didn't shoot any. Derek White shot seven. Jalen Brown shot six. Przinga shot six.

So when you jacking a three, Joe, I mean, I ain't finna fire you on no three, even though they did fire Derek White once. As I'm watching the game, I seen Tatum get to the mid-range a few times. He made a few mid-jumpers. They kind of had it going. I seen him make a few mid-jumps. Then he came down and made like two or three threes in a row. I said, oh, Lord.

So you know what that means, Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For him to shoot 16 threes, okay, Ocho, that's a lot of threes for one person. I know he had it going. He was 7 for 16. But, I mean, that's too many for me. I feel like him and Brown had the advantage throughout the whole series and using their big bodies to create space or get fouls make plays not only for themselves but for them team for their teammates i thought they had been doing a pretty good job with that

but they look pretty stagnant out there it's just like your turn my turn i think that's kind of why like i and and and holiday really got in involved because're switching to pick and roll. New York is like, we're not letting you throw back the aisle so he can just shoot scot-free jumpers. We're going to switch. Y'all got to play one-on-one. It's got ISO basketball. Who can get a bucket?

Yeah, Tatum had it going, but damn, when he went down, bro, I just put my head down there like, oh, boy. Listen, I'm not a doctor. I'm not here to assess anything but again looking at a player when he goes down and being able to assess what it is non-contact yeah non-contact listen not only was it non-contact i was able to do the same thing with steph i told you exactly what it was and the reports came out the following morning it was the exact same thing with this one i'ma hope for the best i I'm hoping for the best because, you know, anytime you have a non-contact injury where a person and a player like that

is crying and wailing around, you already know what that is. I'm not going to say it to him because I'm wishing for the best for him. But, listen, Jalen Tatum was on fire tonight, bro. He was 7 for 16. Jason. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Jason Tatum. You can buy Jalen and you try to Brown and Tatum together.

It's Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown I'm talking so goddamn fast my bad my bad you good you good

we know what you mean yeah Jason Tatum had a hell of a night he had 42 but the goddamn Knicks collectively as a group they shot 54% from the field

right a respectable 5% from three and again I know I said it already but that Jalen

Brunson, bro. Come on, man. Hey, Joe, whatever you want to do, Joe. When it's time for a three, he going to get it to you. When he got to get to the bucket in the mid-range and then pull up, he going to get it to you.

He uses his goddamn body so well, Joe. Yeah, he's doing well. All kinds of different angles, man. They got the payment. Okay, let me, bro. Well, it's all, all, all kinds of different angles, man. Like they got the payment. Okay, let me stop. Let me stop.

But the thing is, Joe, I watched him in college at Villanova. He was a stay away. He, he could get his shot. He wasn't this. And then I watched him cause he go to the Mavs. And sometimes what he needed was his own team.

He was never going to be able to be this with Luka. No. Because Luka's going to have the ball. He needs the ball. Sometimes a man needs his own home. He needs his own place to call home. Yeah. That is New York.

Hey, boy, did you just hear that goddamn bar? You're just, hold on, man. Hey. Because he wasn't going to be that in Dallas. He was only going to be so much because Lucas got the ball. He needs the ball. And you know what? It fits

him, too. They built this team around him. They did. I know they've had highs and lows, but for the most part, he's been consistent. And the thing that I like about him, he's so crafty, especially in, like, the pick and rolls, even in the post-up, because he's not the most athletic guy.

You know, it's all angles and, you know, hitches, hesitations, keeping you out of balance. It's almost like a boxer. You know what I mean? You're throwing jabs. You're hate makers, all that. You know what he can do? What's that?

He can create a shot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There are very few guys that can create. I mean, from any angle, he can create a shot. I mean, and for his size, and I've been next to him, I've talked to him before and seen him in person. The way he can create separation to get that turnaround off that midi

is incredible for someone his size yeah but if you look at his body he can absorb contact play through it and get a and ones as good as anybody his size i've ever seen go ahead don't you yeah i don't i don't mean uh the disrupt and you got away from a little bit i had to get my notepad but i need you to bring that back to me one more time because that was a bar it was a bar you didn't even realize it was a bar. You said about Jalen Brunson not being able to put Luka on the Mavs, but needed to what? He needed his own home.

Because that's Luka's home. I need the same passion and energy you said it with the first time. But I'm saying, because if you look at it, if you go back and look at it before, they didn't give him, because a year earlier, they could have extended the mocho, and they didn't. So now it comes time, and it's like, okay, have extended him, Ocho, and they didn't. So now it comes time and it's like, okay, we got you now.

No, no, you don't. No, you don't now because I already know somebody down here. They already got 100 mil for this. So that 55, I would have taken that last year. I ain't going to take it now. And so now he's like, okay, I'm in somebody else's. O It's like when you go to your boy's house, you're comfortable. Yeah. But ain't no place like your home. Because now you can get ready. Hey, you

want to walk around with your shirt on? You want to walk around butt bald? You can do all of that because that's your home. Yeah. You can't do that in someone else's home. So now, MSG, that's his home. And he acts accordingly. If you look at the way he plays look at when luke uh

that last year he was there and i think they went to the western conference final he was doing it yeah he's doing that the only difference is he didn't have the minutes that allow him to showcase what he's doing he wasn't playing no what did he play tonight? Brunson played 40 minutes. That game 30, 32 maybe. But now he gets to take the lion's share of the minutes. Yeah. 14 to 25, 4, 8, 7 to 9. I know he mad. He mad because he missed that first free throw because he wanted a 40 ball.

That's what he wanted. He wanted a 40 spot. He wanted that 40 water. But Ocho mean looking at him play and looking at what he was with dallas i didn't see this i didn't i was like damn because i remember him last year and he was sensational luca go to the bench and it was like they didn't miss a beat yeah so i thought he could be good but not this yeah i don't know if anybody thought this yeah he did yeah he he thought this i'm sure he believed in his own ability but sometimes ocho

i can believe all i want to but if i don't get an opportunity to showcase it what can i do right listen he's doing he's i don't know how to how to how to explain it on on what he's been able to do, not just for New York in general, the fans in general. Stephen A, I know Stephen A is going to be hollering. But not only had them in contention and playing well during the regular season, but to be pushing them through in the postseason, especially in a game of this magnitude against a team that was the champions last year

and were damn near crowned to be the champions this year and be up 3-1. And him leading at the forefront of everything. And when it's time to get it done, I mean, Mr. Clucks? Mr. Clucks, every time. We need a shot. I got you.

He's been the best player in need a shot I got you he's been the best player in this series I got you look I understand what's on the other side Ocho and that's not a knock

that's not a knock on Tatum or Brown but Jalen Brunson has been the best player in this series and this is why it's so hard

to repeat you see everybody thought it was a foregone conclusion they wanted going away last year Ocho and they brought everybody

back and everybody all the key contributors basically 28 or under yeah and look and just like that so now you have a healthy level of respect

for teams that year in and year now you get an opportunity now can you appreciate what LeBron did 8 straight finals 8 straight

8 straight not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7 8 straight finals. Eight straight. Eight straight. Not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven. Eight straight finals. You see how hard it is? Because think about it. That's year after year. You play,

LeBron's playing 70 games a year. Yeah. And now you're playing, you got to win four games in the first round. So you might be playing five, six, seven games. Five, six, seven games. Five, six, seven games. Five, six, seven games. Then you go to the finals. Yeah, it's tough, man.

You can think about the teams that beat three peaking, even like the Bulls, even the Lakers. The Bulls, the Lakers. Like three peaking? That's crazy. But that's why it's so hard in football. Ocho, think about it. Now you're playing 17 games.

Okay, you're only playing three preseason, but you play 17 games. Now you play three playoff games every year. You don't play half a season. If you three, like the Chiefs, they've already played half a season. They just did

the postseason. That catches up with you because guess what? By everybody else give their body six weeks to recover, you're still going. You're six weeks to recover.

You try to take six weeks on show, you damn near back at Medicare. You're in OT 80s. Everybody else that got their body to recover on show,

they done gone on vacation. You're like, baby, your girl or your wife probably say, hey, baby, when we going on vacation? I sure hope you enjoyed

the Super Bowl because that was your vacation. And that's the thing. It's so grueling on your body. You play. And think about it, Ocho and Joe, they playing back to back.

They play Monday, they play Wednesday, they play Friday, they play Sunday. You only get a day in between. That's not a lot of rest when you're playing 40 minutes a night. You know what I mean? Yes.

Hey, hey, but look, we got to get an H-State credit. Oh, they balling. Because I thought he was going to grind them to the nub. Mikael Bridges, 44 minutes. OG, 40 minutes. Cat, 36 minutes. Brunson, 40 minutes. Hart, 30 minutes. Now, Hart and. Brunson, 40 minutes. Hart, 30 minutes.

Now, Hart and Cat only played the minutes they played because they were in foul trouble. Had they not been in foul trouble, they ass would have been in there 40 minutes. Hey, look, if OG and Bridges going to play like this and be efficient, you're not going to be able to beat the Knicks. Now, with Brunson and Cat playing the way they playing, and you add them two in,

see, that's why they got them two to come over there because they needed them to to come over there, because they needed them to deal with Tatum and Brown. Yes. And even before Tatum's injury, they had been doing a pretty good job. Mm-hmm. Look, if he going to shoot like he did, look, we know Tatum can catch five, and he can go get you a 40-piece.

Yeah. You know that. You just got to, hey, you just got to grit your teeth and bear, hey, son, hey, he making shots, coach. Don your teeth and bear. Hey, son. Hey, he's making shots. Coach, don't look over here. Hell, I'm frustrated just like you. I see what the hell he's doing. Hey.

Hey. I mean, look at some of those 30-footers. He stepped back 30-footer over a cat. What the hell you want me to do? Yeah, he ain't got it going. He seen a couple go in. Yeah. Yeah, it was a wrap.

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but i think the thing is now and and that's why Joe and Ocho, is that you take care of business. You had 20-point leads in the third quarter. You let them slip away. Now, okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, you're up 3-1 going home. You might can win a game without Tatum. Jalen Brown is plenty good enough.

Yeah. Derek White is plenty good enough. Brayden Pritchard coming off the bench. Al got to play better than what he's playing. You're not fitting to beat the Knicks three times without Jason Tatum. I don't give a damn how well JB played. I don't care how well Derrick White

played and Al Horford. You're not fitting to beat the Knicks three times without Jason Tatum. It ain't happening. Not unless somebody step up and just have an out-of-body. You're going to need JB to be awesome. He's going to almost need to average about 35 on the out. And then you try to hope somebody come along with him.

And Derek White can probably stay consistent at the way he's been playing. I think he's been pretty good for him. But, man, they're going to need some guys to really step up, bro, just to even get themselves a chance at home next game because I'm sure the Knicks want to close them out. Oh, yeah. I don't leave anything to chance because guess what?

I step on – hey, I shoot a jump shot and I come down on somebody's ankle. You see what I'm saying, don't you? Yeah. Somebody said I bang knees with somebody. No, no, no, no. I'm going to get y'all ass up out of here. I'm going home to rest. Y'all finna let you get your coat, your

brim and get on out of this gym. Get your coat, your hat and leave. I don't mean to be looking towards the future, right? Let's say the Knicks come up out of this, which they probably are going to do. Who we have the Knicks facing? Pacers.

Yeah. That's going to be a good. Who we have, who we have the Knicks facing? Pacers. Yeah. That's going to be a good series. I can see that series going seven games. Okay. Okay. The Pacers beat them, the Pacers beat them last year.

Mm-hmm. Beat them in MSG game seven. Right. Brunson didn't have his best day and everything the Pacers was throwing up was going in. And sometimes you have it like that.

You throw it up, it go in. And you're like, damn, can y'all miss? But I agree with you. If you're going to get 23 from Bridges, 20 from OG, hold on. Bridges shot 11 of 21. Yeah. OG was 8 of 14. Cat, you see the difference?

Cat was 11 of 15. He only attempted three threes. You see the difference? You see when they get. He only attempted three threes. You see the difference? Oh, you see when they get his big ass down on that block on Joe? Joe, what'd I tell you? When he get down there on the block and stop trying to out-shoot Dirk, I don't care if you can shoot better than Dirk. Yeah.

You're not going to go to the championship playing like that. Get your big butt down there and punish him on the block. He did that. Brunson was 14 to 25. If you tell me they're going to get 23-20, 23-39, hey, it was going to be hard for Boston to win that game if you knew they were coming in two of them. But

for sure, they shot 54% from the floor. And Boston is a very good defensive team. They got Derek White that can defend. They got Holiday that can defend. They got Brown that can defend. They got Horford that can defend. They got Holiday that can defend. They got Brown that can defend. They got Horford that can defend. They got defenders.

And they shot 54% against that team. That's crazy. Because Boston is another team that switches everything. Hey, look. They've been good. You see how they grind wins out? Y'all imagine what New York would be like if them dudes make it to the finals,

let alone if they didn't just get out this series. Hey, it's going to be crazy. Matter of fact. Man, I could, I, I, hey. Man, can you imagine what them tickets going to cost courtside

at MMSG? Them tickets probably started at about $30,000. More than the Lakers? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And the Lakers, they might start at $50,000. $50,000 yeah and the Lakers they might start at 50 50 cause the Lakers for NBA finals the Lakers right now oh that's with Luka and LeBron

yeah oh yeah you start at 30-35 and the closer you get to center court them tickets might be 100,000 for sure

we're gonna be watching right here on the couch for sure for sure absolutely absolutely I'm gonna give you I'm gonna give you a better scenario show we're going to be watching right here on the couch for sure matter of fact for sure absolutely absolutely i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give you a better scenario you know wordplay as far as where we're gonna be watching it based on them tick by the i'm gonna be watching on my property

i will be i will be i will be eating some chips i I'm going to be eating some chips here, some kind of chips, and right here drinking ginger ale. Ain't no way. Oh, yeah. Like I said, I've been to an NBA Finals game. I mean, like, that was on my bucket list to, like, do, like, I still got to go to Wimbledon. I want to go to the Daytona 500 or the Indy 500.

I've been to a U.S. Open. I've been to a Super Bowl, been to a World Series. Certain events, there's not a bucket list. You know what I'm saying? But Wimbledon would probably be on my bucket list. But $40,000, $50,000 for a ticket? Whoo, Lord. Listen, and out of everything you named,

obviously, I've been to Wimbledon. I've been to the U.S. Open. You know, I can tell you you're probably going to like the most because it's something that you're not used to being at. That goddamn Daytona 500. Yeah.

I know when people talk about it, all they say is, oh, and just cars going in a circle. But when you get yourself inside that atmosphere and you sit in them stands you get your food you get your beer you get your hot dog and whatever whatever condiments you might need and them cars crank up on and you can feel oh yeah ain't nothing like the 800 horsepower boy

oh my god ain't nothing like it ain't nothing like it a lot of people you know they trash nash car because of you know whatever it may be. But sometimes you put all that stuff aside and you go in and... Sometimes you got to go see it for yourself. Ain't nothing like it. I'm telling you,

that's one of the most amazing first dates you can take someone on if it's something that you're not used to doing. Well, you better hope she don't like to talk because you ain't going

to hear a damn thing she's saying. She ain't going to hear a damn thing she say and she ain't gonna hear a damn thing you say. Nothing. New cars so damn loud. Look here. I was at Watkins Glen and you tell my gentlemen, start your engine and boy,

they start, whoo. Okay. Okay. Hey, hey, hey, hey, okay okay hey yeah hey

and they take off and they going like this and then hey hey hey ain't nothing like it but I'm going to the Daytona I'm going to the Daytona

that's on my bucket list. But I don't know. In order to extend this series, Joe, what do the Celtics have to do in order to extend this series to a game and come back to Madison Square Garden? Man, they're going to have to lay it on the line. They're going to have to lay it all out there as far as winning. They're going to have to have guys step up and make plays maybe who aren't accustomed to.

But I think Holiday is capable of having a big game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He can get you 20. Holiday's capable of having a solid game, double-double. You're just going to need JB to kind of be special, man. He's paying pressure to come in and get off. But you know what's been hurting him, Joe? What? Przinga's had to give him ish. be to kind of be special, man. Like, he's a pain and pressure to come in and get off. But the way— But you know what's been hurting him, Joe?

What? Przingis hasn't given him ish. Because he don't look healthy neither. He don't look like he's moving good out there neither. Yeah, he ain't. I don't know what's going on. Even since last finals run. You know what I mean?

So, like, it's kind of pampered with him throughout the entire season. He had a knee injury, right? Was it a knee or ankle? I don't know what he had. He was out for a while. And ever since he came back. He needed to get it right. In order for them to have a chance,

he's going to have to play better than what he's been playing. 20 minutes, 4-10, 2-7 from three-point line. That ain't nearly enough. That ain't good enough. No, let me take that back. He's 0-2 from the three-point line. 3 ain't nearly enough. That ain't good enough. No, let me take that back. He all in two from the three-point line. Three or six from the free-throw line. Two or six from the floor. 24

minutes? Mm-mm. Seven points? Nah, bro. Yeah, they gonna need somebody to step up and play big, but I think New York, they on to them. They like, okay. It's our chance. They probably could go and get this over with. Maybe get a couple days to rest. They're like, okay, it's our chance. They probably could go and get this over with, maybe get a couple days to rest.

They had a 14-point lead and the Knicks trimmed it just like that. That's why when I watch the Celtics, they be getting off to them hot starts, even though Tatum was hot in that first quarter. I was thinking like, damn, it's going to be hard to sustain this. You know what I mean? It's almost like

it's set up for us to sit back and watch and be like okay we know the Knicks going to make a comeback at some point you know what I mean and it seems like it just kind of starts to trickle down they just start having turnovers or missed shots so just ill advised they very reckless with the basketball oh man they very reckless with it

ill advised three point shots that really starts to fast breaks yeah yeah I mean that was a situation they were down was winning. Ill-advised three-point shots that really starts the fast breaks. And they had... Yeah, yeah. I mean, there was a situation they were down in that corner three. I'm like,

Derek White, you don't need to take that, bro. It's okay. It's okay. You don't have to take a three. And they took that and it's like... I agree with you, Joe.

I don't really know what they can do outside of JB giving you a 40-piece, Derek White coming along with the high 20s, and somebody else tagging along for maybe a mid-20. Other than that, I just don't see it. They're getting killed on the glass. Yeah.

I mean, they're getting killed on the glass. Yeah. Plus 12. Knicks were plus 12 again. Plus 6 on the offensive glass, which means create second chance points. And the Knicks only shot 12 free throws. Well, man, in the second half,

especially down the stretch in the fourth quarter, I mean, in the fourth quarter of the game, the Knicks just imposed their will on Ocho. They, you know, they're going to fight you all game, bro, when it's the last seven, eight minutes of the game, or in the quarter, you know, they're going to fight you all game, bro, when it's the last seven, eight minutes of the game or the end of the quarter, you know what I mean? And they just basically impose their will on these dudes. I think, you know, I think the Knicks got something special in for us, man,

the way they play. And how many times we see Mikael Bridges late in the shot clock hit that fadeaway? Man. I mean, at least four. I mean, how many points does he have in the fourth quarter? Hey, he did about three or four times in the paint. Three or four times in the paint.

Lean back with it like he was Jordan. Yeah. Because normally when he gets the ball, it's probably like four or five seconds left. So he got just enough time to get in his bag and get him one off real quick because they're not going to double him because they're so tight on Brunson and all these other dudes. So the floor is kind of wide open

for him to kind of play, make, and score. But yeah, I thought Bridges was huge, man. He was huge. He was. He was again in the fourth quarter. Remember that game two, he had 14 points. He had zero points for the first three quarters and didn't have 14 in the fourth.

Ten. He had 10 fourth-quarter points today. Big bucket after big bucket after big bucket. Man. And you the Knicks, you want him being aggressive like that. 21 attempts. Like, you want him to come out and be aggressive and make plays, take some of this pressure out Brunson and Cag.

You know, so things can kind of open up. I think he's been doing a pretty good job, you know, especially today. Yeah. He was 5-6 from the floor in the fourth quarter with 10 points. And look, if you don't have a 20-point, even if you got a 20-point lead on them

in the fourth quarter, they're going to cut it down. They're going to cut it down to 10 or 12. They can't. It's just a matter of time. But our thoughts go out to Jason Tatum, man. I know a Celtics fan,

we're sorry. This injury does not look good. We don't want to speculate to what it is, but we saw a guy go down with a non-contact injury, and he grabbed his ankle. One minute. That's what got me. I'm like, man.

He can't put no money where he can. Yeah. He knew because he doesn't heard everybody say what it felt like. Yeah. And he felt that very thing. Yeah. And we've seen it enough. Guys all of a sudden take off and just crumble to the ground.

I'm going to do me some cat phrases tonight just because of that. Oh, Nico back in, oh, Nico, oh, Nico Harrison, he back in good grace. He back in good grace. Hey, hey, listen. Ah, Joe. Hey, Joe.

I think all this was pre-planned, Joe. I think all this was pre-planned, Joe. I think all this was pre-planned. I know they talk about lottery and oh, you lucky and who gets the number one pick. I think all this was done purposely, man. Basically, what you're saying is since they done sent Luka out there to LA,

they done made it to where, okay, we're going to give the Mavs the number one pick. That's what you think. Yeah, man. They know they, hey, come on. Hey, nah, that's Milwaukee's pick. I want Luke. I want Yardley.

Hey, look, that's exactly what I'm trying to ask y'all. So what do we do with this number one pick that Dallas got? Do we go out? You know. Okay. Today's NBA lottery did not help the NBA read conspiracy theories. The Mavericks had a 1.8% chance of landing the number one overall pick. They are the fourth longest odds ever to get the number one overall pick.

The number two, Spurs. Number three, Sixers. Number four, Hornets. Number five, Jazz. I'm glad Washington and all those other teams that tank, you're still down at the bottom. That's what you get. That's what you get.

Derek Rose, check this out. In 2008, Derek Rose going to hometown Chicago Bulls. He had a 1.7% chance. The 2011, the Cavaliers getting number one pick after LeBron left prior. Because think about it, when

LeBron left, they got the number one pick like three, four years in a row. They got Kyrie, they got Wiggins, they got Bennett, they got three of them. In 2012, the Pelicans got the number one overall

pick after Chris Paul leaves. You know, and that's when they vetoed that trade, wasn't it? Oh, in 2014, the Cavaliers got the number one pick to give them assets needed to bring Kevin Love to Cleveland. And the Pelicans got the number one pick after Anthony Davis demands a trade. In 2025, the Mavericks get the number one pick after trading Luka at the trade deadline. Joe? Now, the first time they thought the lottery was rigged in 1985 was the first time they had a lottery,

and the Knicks got Patrick. So, they swore it was rigged. So, y'all think it's rigged. I don't think it's rigged, man. It's a basketball, guys. But, you know, What I'm thinking is, what are they going to do with this number one pick? Are they going to package this and go get KD or Giannis?

No. Listen, I already told you. No, no, no, no, not KD, Giannis. I'm not giving, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Giannis. You're going to get Giannis. You're going to get traded number one. You're going to get traded at number one. But I don't know

if that's enough because now the money got a match. I already told y'all. Why y'all talk about Giannis going to Dallas and I already told you where Giannis is going?

Okay. He says he... San Antonio. Listen to me. Giannis says he wants to play in a state with no tax. What do you think Dallas?

Texas. Dallas has no state tax. You know, Texas, Dallas, Houston. He wants to come to Miami. Ain't nobody here. Well, you said you want to play in a state that don't have state taxes. Okay, but you know what I'm leaning towards. You know what I'm leaning towards.

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For the first time in his career, Giannis is open-minded about playing for another team, according to Shams. Giannis wants no income tax and a top player to help him. San Antonio has 36 future draft picks over the next seven years and one of the cleanest salary sheets in the NBA. Oh, that number two pick? Ooh! Oh, and he got Wimby. Ooh. And he got Stephon Castle, rookie of the year.

And they got a smorgasbord. 36 picks over seven years. Now, I don't know. My math ain't that good, but that's about five picks a year if you project that. So, hey, I'll give you the number two pick in the draft. I'll give you Vassal. I'll give pick in the draft. I'll give you Vassal. I'll give you Kelton Johnson. I'll give you four. I'll give

you four first round picks and two pick swaps. Come on with it now. You say it's hard to turn down. Hey, hey, they ain't turning nothing down but the color. For who? You saying the Spurs?

The Spurs got the number two pick? I'm going to give you, the Spurs got the number two pick. I'm going to give you him. I'll give you four future first round picks, unprotected. I'll also give you two pick swaps. I'll give you Vassal and I'll give you Kelton Johnson. But that number two pick ain't going to be

Cooper Flagg. They want the number one pick. Hey, I ain't got no more picks. Hey, and Dallas might say, well, hell, we'll pair Cooper Flagg with AD and Kyrie and keep it for our damn self. I'm saying, is they going to win you a championship, though? Think about that.

Him as a rookie, can he come in and fit in and be a key player to what they're trying to do? Can Giannis, Kyrie, and AD, can they fit in? Yeah. AD don't want to play the five. Giannis don't want to play the five. Giannis want to play the four. AD want to play the four.

What they want to do? They want to win. What they want to do? Hey, what you heard what AD said. AD said, I just play better. My mind is at ease when I'm at the point. He got gas for the live mail. What you want to do? Oh, they got to go. You ain't finna keep all that.

You want me to keep at least one? No, I want them both. Nah, they ain't going to give up both. They're going to have to keep. They're going to keep going. Nah, you can keep Powell. You're not keeping both of them. You hear the confusion?

You hear all the confusion? You hear all the confusion, the hypotheticals y'all going through? I'm going to let y'all finish. Ocho, unless you pair with four other teams, you don't have the draft capital. I know we don't have the draft capital. I would break it down in PowerPoint presentation the way it was given to me by the know, by the higher ups, you know, in part of the Hebrew organization.

But I can't do that right now. But again, he will be down here in Miami. I'm telling you, I keep I'm trying to give you hint after hint every show. It ain't nobody listening to me. Houston got the draft capital and the young players are Jabari Smith, Adrelyn Green and the draft capital. Brooklyn got the draft capital, but I don't know if they have the players. Utah have draft capital. I don't know if they have the players.

Do you want Laurie Marketing and a Collin Sexton and four or five draft picks? I don't know. But Houston with Jabari Smith Jr. Jabari Parker, excuse me, Jabari Smith Jr. and four first-rounders, Joe? To Milwaukee for Giannis? Yes. Because I paired Giannis with Shungun, and I got to keep our man Thompson now.

I got to keep him. See, it seems like you're going to, I don't know, for whatever reason, it's like you're going to take away some of the shooting or the scoring. It's like, because, you know, Amir Thompson and Giannis, Giannis, they're almost like same type of player almost. No, Amir ain't going to be better. He's going to get better.

He's getting better at shooting the ball. And plus, we need defenders. Remember what happened last time Milwaukee got away with the defenders? When they gave up Holiday, how'd they look? I'm saying,

you gotta have somebody that can defend. No, Young is gonna wanna have that ball in his hand a lot. I think Young, boy,

if they gonna do that, he gonna play, he gonna control that rock a lot more. You know, Young's gonna have to play off the ball, so,

huh? He done dominate the ball. That's why we gonna keep a point guard. You know, Young's going to play off the ball, so, huh? He done terminate the ball. That's why we're going to keep a point guard. We're going to keep Van Fleet. Okay. It sounds good.

Yeah, that's it. It sounds good. That's all it is. It just sounds good. But I'm saying, you got to go to the team because they want players

and they want draft capital. Right. There are only a handful of teams that have players and the draft capital. You got San Antonio. You got Houston. You got Utah. Brooklyn have the capital, but they don't have the players.

Houston have the players and the capital. I see what you're saying. Utah have capital and players. Laurie Marketing, Colin Sexton, they have some pieces. So he's made it clear, look, no income tax, because, hey, I'm about to sign this new max deal, and I want all this cheddar in my pocket. So he's telling you.

He's telling you what he wants. Also, he's telling you he's coming from Milwaukee. He doesn't want to go to Utah. He doesn't want to go to San Antonio. He wants to come down to South Beach. He wants to. That's not what he said. He said a state with no income tax. That's what he said. I'm trying to give you a hint. You're not listening to me. I'm telling you what I know. I'm not telling you. I'm not saying I'm Shams. I'm not saying I'm Woj. I know that. But he also said he would like to be in L.A. too. Now, we know he can't go to the Lakers, but what about the Clippers? I don't know if the Clippers

have it. Do the Clippers have the players? They're going to have to give up Harden or Kawhi. Because they got no other pieces. They don't want Norman Powell or Zubats. I don't know if that's enough. They don't have the draft capital. All those other

teams, they got seven, eight first rounders. I'm going to tell you this. And they got capital. You like Jalen Green? You like Jabari Smith Jr.? Yeah. I mean, what you like, Joe? Four first rounders and two pick swaps. Man, I like some way, somehow, getting him to Dallas. Him and

KD to Dallas. That's what I like. Oh, I can see KD going to Dallas, but not for Cooper Flagg. They're not trading Cooper Flagg for KD to Dallas. That's what I like. Oh, I can see KD going to Dallas, but not for Cooper Flagg. They're not trading Cooper Flagg for KD. See, y'all not going to understand until you see or hear. Boy, you seen Giannis

last night on 1A3rd? Yeah, he was in two seats getting, you know, on the second floor getting his shoulder rubbed. Y'all not going to listen to me until... I was with Giannis. We went to dinner. We went to dinner on South Beach.

But y'all keep coming up with all these hypotheticals, and I'm telling you where it could be. I'm just looking at without the team, without getting three or four teams involved, I'm looking at a team like Houston that have the capital and the players that can do something straight up. I'm looking at a team like Houston that have the capital and the players that can do something straight up I'm looking at

maybe a Dallas a Cooper Flag a Daniel Gafford and I don't know Clay Thompson but you're going to need Clay Thompson to space the floor but you do they love

them fans in Dallas going to be peed off if they mess around and trade their number one pick. Them folk won't cool. Even for Giannis? Them folk won't cool with flag, man. Giannis is the only man,

and he did it twice. 30 points, 12 rebounds, five assists on 60% shooting. Nobody's ever did it once. He's done it in back-to-back years. And in the postseason, he was even better. 33 points, 15 rebounds, 6 assists.

Oh, he just shot 57% in the playoffs. That's all, but hey, they lost. Oh, man. I think the Spurs have the best chance because they have you know what I'm saying, him and Wimby. With Castle, you got Chris Paul, Kelton Johnson, Vassell, four first-rounders, some pick swaps. I give them five first-rounders.

OKC. OKC has the capital to move it, to get it done. But I don't know if Preston wants to break up his young core, his young nucleus. Yeah. They win it. Huh. So it's going to be very, very interesting.

I don't see the reason that he stays. They can't improve. And I told people this, and I remember having a very conversation, oh, I don't want to go, I want to go join somebody else. Giannis, if LeBron James couldn't get anybody to come join him in Cleveland, you damn sure can't get somebody to come join you in Milwaukee. Period.

And as great as you are, if you take LeBron at his peak, if you take Giannis at his peak, LeBron was better. And LeBron couldn't get anybody to come join him via free agency. So I don't know what to tell you, Giannis at his feet, LeBron was better. And LeBron couldn't get anybody to come join him via free agency. So I don't know what to tell you, Giannis. You see, all these people do all this talking,

Joe, but if you're not careful, you'll become the very thing you despise the most in a person. Everybody despises LeBron James going to link up. And I've been there, Mocho. What is everybody going to do now? If you're not careful, mocho. What is everybody going to do now? If you're not careful, you'll become the very thing

you despise the most in a person. If you hate a liar, if you're not careful, you'll become one. If you hate a cheat, if you're not careful, you'll become one. If you hate a thief,

if you're not careful, you'll become one. If you hate a superstar that go link up with other superstars, if you're not careful, you'll become the very thing you despise the most in a person. Hold on now. Hold on now.

Well, you see how he work it? What he do it? What he do it on show? He can do it every time. In mysterious ways. Everybody. Oh, I want to stay here. I want to be do this and I want to do that. I be a damn. LeBron's sitting back there in his Brentwood mansion like, oh, really? Oh, really?

It's my time. And y'all mad at me, but y'all don't realize, Paul, it was KG and Ray Allen did it first. Did y'all realize that the Boston Celtics didn't draft KG or Ray Allen and they joined Paul Pierce? That was the big three. And then they got Rondo. It was really a big four. But I know y'all got it in for me, so y'all said I did it.

Okay. Hey, look. I want to see him on the move. I want to see him in a different uniform. Don't be in one. Vice City. Yeah. 305.

Dade County. Liberty City. But I thought he didn't want to go play with other great players. He said that. We got to pull that article. We're going to have it next time you come on here. Where he said, he ain't mean it. He ain't mean it.

Oh, I know. He needs some help. He needs he needs some you see but because see what you do joe see what you do is that when lebron do it see if i say that's not what i want to do everybody say yeah why see how yannis is see how yannis is but that's the thing about the internet now it's forever yeah it's forever because a lot of times some people say stuff that in the sadness if you weren't around to hear it, you don't remember it. Or the 80s.

But this thing, this invention called the internet, boy, it's an amazing thing. It'll stay up there forever. Yeah. Hello. Yeah. But, uh...

I just don't know, Joe. Look, I understand Miami, but... No, wait, listen. We have multiple teams., but... You do realize Tim Duncan was going to go to Orlando.

The only reason he didn't go, you know why he didn't go, Joe? They said he could not fly his wife on the plane when they go on... It's okay. He went back. Because Pop allowed it. He was going to be in there with T-Mac and Grant Hill.

Yep. And Grant Hill. Tim Duncan. It was a done deal. Woo. He asked, do y'all allow significant others on the team charter? No, that's not what we do here. But that's what they do where I left, and I'm going back.

Yeah, that's crazy. So at the end of the day, in order to get said, I mean, there's a lot of times when you want a CEO, you have to offer perks. 24-hour security. Yeah. You get lifetime health care. You get X amount of hours on the private jet. There are certain perks. There are certain concessions you must make if you want said

individual. Sometimes, I mean, to get a guy like, think about it, Tim Duncan and T-Mac and Grant Hill. All because, you know what? Well, we have a policy. Name a rule that hadn't been amended.

Or a little bit. Yes! You make concessions. There are certain things that you have to be willing to make concessions for. And if it's more than for Tim Duncan,

or if I get an opportunity to get a Shaq or Kobe in their prime, or LeBron, oh, now, in this situation, a Giannis... Yeah.

How many times How many times Do we see Players And then their dads Or somebody they know Is on the staff Right

All the time Yeah Okay now you can be stubborn And tell my dad That ain't what we do Okay That ain't what we used to do we do it now you need some help nowadays bro absolutely because these teams these teams are they're too good they're too good. Because everybody got at least two. Everybody got two.

Yeah, some even three. Maybe even four. Yeah, and so now Giannis is looking at it like, man, look, at best case scenario, Dame is not coming back until the start of the 26th season. 26th head to 27th. Yeah.

Dame wanted to be in Miami to begin with Pat Riley didn't want to give up the compensation see Pat said he gets strong on people nah nah we take the best deal we're not just finna give him to you

that's not gonna happen it's not so it's gonna be very interesting, this thing. I mean, look, Cooper flag. I don't believe Dallas will trade Cooper flag. I don't. Yeah, they might run Nico out of town if he do that. You got rid of Luke.

You got rid of Luke. Yeah, you got to go. You got rid of Luka. Hey, Cooper. Yeah, you got to go. You got to go. Hey, they might storm the castle, Ochoa. Unless what you bringing in going to deliver a championship, but still, you're going to have to go through the grief all the way up until the end.

You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know. Because even if you wouldn't have won with Giannis, they're going to say, we could have won three or four with Cooper. Mm-hmm. You know how this works, Ocho and Joe. It's never good enough

for the fans. No, never that. And if I'm Nico, if the owners have any inclination about getting rid of Cooper Flagg, Nico need to step down. Because I'm not falling on the sword again. I'm not falling on

the sword again. So, Uncle Ocho, y'all think Cooper Flagg can help lead the Mavericks? Maybe not his first year, but I think he's good enough in a couple years. Look, only Magic Johnson did that. But Magic Johnson had the MVP riding shotgun, Kareem. That's what I'm

saying. So how many years y'all expect for Kyrie at 80 to stick around for? They got to wait for him to develop as... I think his second year. I think his second year, he'll be good. He nice now. He nice. I know he nice, but... Nice. When that's how we see the rookie leader team to the playoffs.

But here's the thing, but you do realize Kyrie probably ain't a team to the playoffs but here's the thing but you do realize Kyrie probably ain't coming back to the top of the year Kyrie ain't coming back till January 26th uh uh uh uh Joe? Yeah I forgot about that I forgot about it Kyrie injury they can't let him

so you get Kyrie so you got Klay, Flagg, AD, and Lively I like them You get Kyrie, so you got Klay, Flagg, AD, and Lively. I like them. You still need some more pieces. They do. I'm right here. They're going to need some more.

Go back to why the NBA... No, if you look at the top television markets, New York, number one, LA, number two, Chicago, number three, Philly, number four, Dallas-Fort Worth... Oh, Joe, y'all don't watch TV in Miami. I'm sorry. There's too much going on. Yeah, I mean, you't watch TV in Miami. I'm sorry. There's too much going on. Yeah, I mean, you're right.

But listen, I watch TV. There's a lot of stuff going on. I don't be outside. I don't be outside. Not like that. Well, you need to tell a lot more mofos to be like you and stay inside and watch TV. That's different.

The things, when people come to Miami, you know, they're so... They come to do stuff. Yeah, they come to do stuff. I've been here all my life, man. Yes. You know, and I understand there's nothing out there. Depending on what you're looking for, it ain't outside.

You know, so I have a great understanding, but people need to come here and enjoy. This is a melting pot for all ethnicities, for all cultures. Anything you want to find is here in this city. Restaurants, food, clubs, you name it, you can, it's here in this city. Restaurants, food, clubs, you name it, you can find it here. Seattle and Phoenix

are above Miami. Seattle, Phoenix. What, you talking about TV? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, understandable. That's why they tried to get a team back in Seattle. We're still the better

we still the better city out of everybody you name it now regardless of what those TV ratings say we talking about Miami it sells itself yeah

it sells itself it's alright all them damn hurricanes and hey listen thunderstorms one thing about one thing about hurricanes

is you know two weeks in advance if you can't get your ass out of here with two weeks notice... What about I'm going to do that pop-up thunderstorm that they let me know five minutes beforehand? Listen, if a pop-up thunderstorm

is small, so you're going to be all right. That's why I call it pop-up. That's why I call it pop-up. You know, I'm out there about nine leading. Next thing, I look like a plucked duck. I'm all about... Hey, listen. If it's a leaning. Next thing, I look like a plucked duck.

Hey, look, if it's a pop-up thunderstorm, it's still 90 degrees. You all right? I know. I don't, hey, now, hey, the rain come for 10 minutes, and now the humidity goes up to 1,000. Man, like you walking in the sauna. I know exactly what you you talking about

cause I'm from Georgia and we get up I used to hey when it rain we was outside I'm doing manual we working in tobacco we doing whatever

and then that sun I was like Lord please don't let it stop raining just let it rain for the next hour so we can knock off so the boss

so Mr. Jones said alright we gonna call it a day man that thing rain for 10-15 minutes if we go back out there, that's up. Hey, old Joe. I'm wishing when you were right, boy.

Miami is a special place, man. Oh, I told you. I've been here, Joe. You know, it ain't really. Listen, the product sells itself, Joe. I ain't really got to say nothing. It's like blue magic. You know, you don't need to do nothing.

You don't need to change the name of blue magic. You know? Hey, right now, right now, you're blowing ice. Oh, OK, I got I got no comment. No, no father coming. No father commentary will be added. But at a later date. Yeah. Yeah. The Volume. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company.

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