Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Wolves stun Nuggets, Pacers knock out Knicks

Episode Date: May 20, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are joined by Shay Shay Media's Bubba Dub Morgan, and they react to an NBA Sunday with TWO Game 7s, with the Minnesota Timberwolves staging a historic comeback vs. the Denver Nuggets to reach the Western Conference Finals while New York Knicks fell to the Indiana Pacers with Jalen Brunson exiting with an injury in the earlier game. Also, they react to reports that several NBA teams are considering drafting Bronny James in the first round of the NBA Draft to lure LeBron in free agency, the Los Angeles Lakers reportedly targeting Donovan Mitchell as their top trade target this summer, and Jacob Brissett saying that New England Patriots head coach Jerod Mayo puts the responsibility on the players to run the team.03:41 - Show Starts05:35 - Wolves beat Nuggets20:18 - Pacers win35:30 - Newscap35:42 - NBA teams considering Bronny in first round48:30 - Donovan Mitchell to Lakers?51:49 - Marvin Harrison Jr being sued by Fanatics01:04:08 - Brissett on Jerod Mayo(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let's get right into it. We had two game sevens today. Let's jump into the one that just ended. The largest come from behind victory in a game seven was 11 points. The Timberwolves went on the road and came from 15 down by limiting the nuggets to 14 points in the third quarter, 23 points in the fourth quarter for a grand total of 37 points.

They scored 60. They outscored them by 23. They go on the road to Denver and win 98-90 to advance to the Western Conference Finals where it starts on Tuesday and they face the Dallas Mavericks. Timberwolves do it.

Ant-Man was 6-24, only had 16 points, but that's why you have a supporting cast. Carl Anthony Towns, 23. Jay McDaniels, 23. Even Rudy Gobert chipped in with 13-9. Cat had a double-double and they go on the road. Naz Reed

came in and gave you 11 points off the bench, showed you why he's sixth man of the year. Ocho, you had the Timberwolves winning this series in a game seven. They go on the road, get the job done. What was your takeaway from the game? Listen, I don't know what it was. I think last time he was on the show, you asked me. We talked about who would win the series.

Obviously, you talked about the experience of the champions from last year and Denver probably going to be able to take it, being that they were playing at home, home field advantage. But I said it was something about Ant-Man. It was something about Ant-Man that's been special this entire series. Now, even in this game, he didn't have his best game, but you just said, I'm going to

piggyback off what you just said, his supporting cast showed up. Cat showed up. Mike Conley showed up. His supporting cast showed up. Cat showed up. Mike Conley showed up. Rudy Gobert showed up. Goddamn Jaden McDaniels really showed up. Showed up.

Everybody came to the party and Ant-Man didn't have to do everything by himself. Dub, what'd you see? On what team? The Nuggets or the Wolves? What I seen from the Wolves, Ant-Man, he resilient. Even though he wasn't having a good game shooting-wise,

even though he was frustrating, he still played good defense. And most star players, when they ain't shooting the ball, they force it. Well, he only had one turnover. So I think that was one of the keys in the game, him down the stretch, holding Jamal Murray. You know, somebody that's taller than him, hands in his face, quick hands. Denver just couldn't really get going on

runs like they normally do when they're at the house. Minnesota always had an answer for everything they did. And I think the difference in this game tonight was Michael Porter Jr. and Aaron Gordon had COVID, because they didn't show up. They didn't show up tonight.

They only had two starters and double figures. That was Murray and Jokic. Everybody else on KCP, he rang on the pins tonight. Couldn't do nothing. You ain't lying about that. I think that was the difference in the ball game. You know Murray and Jokic.

You had to feel good because normally what was happening in the first half, Murray wasn't playing particularly well. There've been a couple of halves. He didn't have anything. A couple of times in the half, he had two points where he goes bonkers in the first half. And you had to feel good if you're the Nuggets or a Nuggets fan. Jokic was being Jokic.

Had a double-double at the half. He gave you 35. He gave you 35. He gave you 34-19-7. Murray gave you 35-3-3. But you needed the supporting cast because Minnesota had six guys in double figures. The Nuggets had two guys in double figures. And see, you see what happens?

When you go three on two, so you take Ant-Man, you take Rudy Go-Get-Bare, and you take Jane Daniels. They cancel out Yolk and Murray. Now, we make it a series. Okay, Michael Porter Jr., where you at? Okay, KCP, where you at?

Okay, Aaron Gordon, where you at? You see, that's what Bubba Dub, I was talking to Ocho about. That's what the Lakers were trying to do. Their big two are going to cancel out the Nuggets big two. Now we're about to make it a three-on-three tournament. And more times than not, their other three outplayed the Lakers' other three.

But give the Timberwolves credit to have not been in a situation like this before and to do what they do because we know the Nuggets are battle-tested. They've been here, done that. Yeah. And for them to go on the road, it's not easy. And they did it. They came from behind because it was easy. Like, man, look, this the home team.

We down 14. At one point, it got to 20. Yeah. And they said, nah, we ain't going away. We're not going anywhere. Hell, hell, goddamn. This Minnesota's second time in the Western Conference Finals in franchise history.

Yep. Franchise history. I'm assuming my numbers, if my numbers. KG. KG was there back in, what, 2020, something like that? No, 2004. No, I'm just saying it was over there with him, I think. See, I said, I'm just saying, if that was the year,

if I'm not mistaken, I think the Lakers ended up beating them in the finals, beat him in the Western Conference Finals that year. I think that was the year. And I think KG ended up winning the MVP, if I'm not mistaken. I think the Lakers ended up beating them in the finals, beat him in the Western Conference finals that year. I think that was the year. And I think KG ended up winning the MVP, if I'm not mistaken, off the top of my head. That's been 20 plus years ago. But I think that's the case. But you have to give the Timberwolves a lot of credit.

We can say what the Nuggets didn't do, but let's give the Wolves credit for what they did do, which was execute time and time again in the second half. Remember, they are down. So they not only do they need to play great defense, they need to execute on the other end. It doesn't do you any good to hold a team if you can't go down and

execute your offense. They held that team with Nikola Jokic, who's this year's MVP. He's won three of the last four. And Jamal Murray held them to 14 points in an entire quarter. They never got around. I'm going to say that again. Bubba Dub, you heard what I said?

Murray and Yolk held them to 14 points in the quarter when Jamal Murray had 14 in the first quarter by himself. Yeah, yeah. That's great. Well, shoot, now that we got the Western Conference Finals and we know who's playing, who you got? Bubba Dub, who you got? The Mavs or the Wolves?

Unc, who you got in the Mavs or the Wolves? For me, I just know how these things twist and turn. I got the Mavs. I got Luca and Kyrie. I got them going to the Finals. Unc, talk to me. In six. In six. In six.

In six? Yeah, man. You see Mark Kreeb in the overground? He ain't drinking no more. He ain't talking. Jason Kidd ain't drinking on the bench. Miles in six. Talk to me.

Jay Kidd ain't knocking people drink out their hand to get a tie by a call so they can clean up the floor. Yeah. Man. Yeah, I'm with Dub. I'm leaning towards the Mavericks also. It's going to be interesting to see how they match up because occasionally

they don't really like to play two bigs together. They normally like Gafford and PJ. They don't really ever play Gafford and Lively pj they don't really ever play gafford and lively together uh they don't really play those guys they might have to with cat and uh rudy gobert on the court it's going to be interesting to see jay jay mcdaniel can only guard one he's the best perimeter defender so i'm assuming that he's going to probably take luca and ant-man will take kairi so how much

energy does he expend trying to deal with kairi because i i think that's what probably hurt him tonight he expended a lot of energy trying to deal with murray fighting over those picks and you know hey they're gonna send a lot of picks. Lively sends a lot of picks. They like to do the dribble drive, pick and roll, dribble handoff. So it's going to be interesting to see this thing match up. But I think I'm going to go with Dub. I think I like the Mavericks. Well, I mean, both of y'all wrong.

And I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it again. And I said it in the last series. I told you the Wolves are going to win the last series simply because of Ant-Man. And I'm going to do it again. I said it in the last series. I told you the Wolves are going to win the last series simply because of Ant-Man. And I'm going to do it again. I'm riding with Ant-Man again. There's something about that young man.

There's something about his energy. We already know what he can do on the court. I'm just saying his aura, his energy, his passion for the game. He got that it factor, that it factor you can't teach. He got that killer instinct with a smile on his face, similar to Kobe and MJ. I'm not calling him Michael MJ. I'm not calling him Michael Jordan. I'm not calling him Kobe.

I'm saying he has that same impact that they had when it comes to playing with that killer instinct and that killer mentality. I'm telling you, they're going to send the Mavs home in seven. Now, you heard it here first. So, if you're a gambling man, if you like to spend money and you want to gamble, you know what to do.

You know, I always tell people this, the it factor. You can have the it factor all you want, but your car can't run without no oil. Let me tell you that right now. Them wolves going to run. I feel like they're going to run Ant-Man into the grave. They only can do so much, man. And like Unc said, you're spending all their energy trying to chase Kyrie. Then they're going to be putting him on local.

Then they're running him out picking screens. I say by game five, he're going to be putting him on local. Then they're running him out picking screens. I say by game five, he's going to be real frustrated. And I'm telling y'all right now, when they get in Dallas, it's going to get the rocking and rolling down now. And, you know,

Timberwolves still a young team as well as, I ain't going to say Dallas, they ain't that old, but Kyrie been really bad at testing. He been to them finals. He know what, he don't get too high,

he don't get too low. So that's the only reason why I say I feel like the Mavs going to win this get too high. He don't get too low. So that's the only reason why I say, I feel like, uh, the Mavs going, um, win this series and six, but I ain't taking nothing away from my team.

Ant man, phenomenal young player. He got long time in his league to be great and win rings. But for us getting to the finals is Dallas. Yeah, man. Dirk over there. Got,

uh, his wife don't send him to the game with the, with the paper plate, with the fall on top of the game. That's how you know that boy got his sister. He come to the game with foil paper on the plate. People are asking in the chat, Ocho,

say, how is Kyrie going to deal with Ant-Man? Kyrie's not going to cover Ant-Man. Kyrie's going to be on Mike Conley. That's going to be his matchup. Because why would you put him on Ant? He's not their best defender. Probably P.J. Washington, I'm thinking, will probably end up with Ant, man.

Can't do nothing with him. Can't do nothing with him. No, no. They don't throw bodies at him, though. They're throwing bodies. Yeah, that's it. I mean, what star can stop another star? Rudy Gobert is Defensive Player of the Year,

and Jokic ate his... They end up putting Carl Anthony Towns on him. Mm-hmm. So, stopping a defensive guy, stopping a great offensive player, that's not going to happen. You just try to limit it. You try to make it as tough as you possibly can on him. Just like they're not going to stop Luka,

but I'm going to try to make it as difficult as I possibly can. I'm going to try to make him as inefficient as I possibly can. If he gets 35, but it take him 28 shots to do it okay i can live with that right but i can't let him get 35 on 20 shots i can't let him get 35 on 18 19 shots nah as long as it as long as he's like six or seven shots from what his point total is i can live with that now if you let him now you go let him be 19 or 28 yeah it ass gonna be in trouble. You probably gonna have 45 and not 35. But you just try to make it as difficult

as you possibly can, Ocho. You try to run him off as many picks. You know, Carl Anthony Towns, he likes to pick and pop. He can roll to the basket and stuff. Now, this is a big team. They can rebound. This is big. When you go to some putters, you expect to win the rebounding battle.

Yeah. Then you come in with Naz Reed, who's 16. So you're expecting to win the rebounding battle. And so the second chance points. So that's what I'm looking at. Who wins the second chance points? Who wins points in the paint? Both guys like to spend a lot of time in the paint.

Luka like to get in the paint. Kyrie likes to play in the paint. Ant-Man like to be in the paint. Souka liked to get in the paint. Kyrie likes to play in the paint. Ant-Man liked to be in the paint. So it's going to be very, very interesting. Carlton, the cat, does have an advantage.

He has an advantage over PJ. He has an advantage over anybody that's going to possibly be guarding him. The question is, is he going to be willing to go down in the paint or is he just going to

hover around the three-point line? Hell no. Three-point line, like we always do. That's where he's going to be at, tripping over his big feet. Tripping. Seven foot. Sometimes he playing like he's six foot, man. Quarantine times, you're right. Can't nobody

really hold quarantine times when he don't want to be held. But for the most part, he just hangs over like Chris Bosh used to do. Three-point line and just seven. But it's going to be a good series. I'll tell you, it's the passing of the torch, if you ask me. They don't bother. They ain't no LeBrons.

They ain't no Currys. They ain't no Durants. It's Ant-Man, Luka. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a young man's game right now. So I think it's the passing of the torch. It's a beautiful thing, really, just to sit back and just watch this thing play out the way it's going to play out. It really is.

This is the first time in a long time you ain't got no KD. You ain't got no Steph. You ain't got no LeBron. Ain't none of them guys. All those guys were gone after the first round. Steph and them didn't even make the playoffs. So now you got guys, the old guard, I mean, that's not even making it past the first round.

This is a young man's game. They're getting younger and younger. You see teams try to put big threes together, and that's not working. Ant-Man is homegrown. Carl Anthony Towns is homegrown. Yes, they're great acquisitions in getting Conley. Jaden McDaniels, homegrown.

Naz Reed, I think he was a trade, but he's homegrown. Rudy Gobert, think he was a trade, but he's homegrown. Rudy Gobert, they traded for Rudy Gobert. You look at the other team, for the most part, they're a homegrown guy. And so, that's where we are now. It is, I agree with you, Dub. I believe it's

a changing of the guard. These young guys, they don't fear anything anymore. It's like, it's our time. You guys have had your time., it's our time. You guys have had your time. Now it's our time. And, man, they're doing it. These young guys are doing it. So it's going to be interesting to see.

You know, the Mavs do have Powell. You know, they haven't played him in a while, Dub and Ocho. Powell's been sitting on the bench because once they brought Gafford in and P.J. Washington, he was kind of relegated. They get big lead uh late in the game he comes in and play they're way behind he comes in and play but they're mainly been rolling with gafford and uh lively lively he got great bounce rolling to the basket that's what he is great lob uh can rebound gave the double double yesterday so it's gonna be interesting to see how this thing plays out with the two bigs from Minnesota.

And will they go with Mavs? Because, see, if I'm the Mavs, I'm going to do what I do. I'm not going to try to match up. I'm not going to try to beat you at your game. That's your game playing two bigs. Our game is to roll with Gafford and then swap him out with Lively. But that's going to be a very interesting series. Give the Minnesota Timberwolves credit.

Entering tonight, teams that were 20-0 all time, up by 15 at the half in a game seven. And the Minnesota Timberwolves erased that. The Pacers go on the road. Beat the Knicks 130-109. They came out hot early, took the crowd out of the ball game. And when you did that, and that's what you needed to see,

I needed to see Ty. Tyrese Halliburton, he tells you, he said, I'm legit. He's an all-star. He played like one today. He gave you 26 points. Nimhar gave you 20 points. Miles Turner gave you 17 points. Aaron Neesmith gave you 19 points.

Pascal Siakam gave you 20 points. Aaron Neesmith gave you 19 points. Pascal Siakam gave you 20 points. TJ McConnell. That joke was tough as wet leather. Man! Hey, Dub! Give it to him! Hey, dude pulling up on the baseline shooting from behind the back line. Oh, y'all saw that too?

Other night he told him, I'm a dog. Oh, you see how the tempo pick up? He picking up Jalen Brunson full court. Come on, let's go. Let's do this. Make it tough on him. They got 12. So they had their starters, 20, 19, 17, 20, 26.

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Ocho you can't keep OG Alanovi hurt Josh Hart rib cartilage he's injured you got no Julius Randle

Robinson's gone Bob Donovich is out and Jalen Brunson he ends up breaking his hand on a breakaway, tried to strip the ball. Bro, there's only so much you can do. Yeah.

I mean. Why Spike Lee didn't get enough? Y'all let Hoop in the holler. He'll be doing something. Trace and Morgan should be down there and help him do something. Bad Joe. Hey, bad Joe could have set us free or something. But the problem was they couldn't play defense.

So, Joe, you got a team. If I'm not mistaken, that's pretty close to a record. They shot 67% from the floor. 54% from the three. You're not beating a team if you let them shoot 67% from the floor and 54%

and they shoot at least 23. Oh, no. You're not beating. Listen, everybody showed up for the Pacers. They did. It was game seven. It was do or die. They were playing in the garden, the Mecca.

And they ran the Knicks right up out of there. But the Knicks being injured, it didn't help. Jalen Brunson being injured, getting injured, didn't help. Obviously, no Julius Randle. He hadn't been there all series. He hadn't been there for a while. Josh Hart being hurt as well. It was only so much they could do.

And they don't have much of a bench anyway that can compete with the Pacers. No. Go ahead, Dub. Tyrese Halliburton. What did he have, 25, 26 points? He had 26 points, six assists, four rebounds, a steal, a block, and only two turnovers. When he's aggressive, Indiana tough to beat.

Remember earlier in the year they run, they went on. Remember the Lakers ended up beating them in their play-in tournament. I mean, not their play-in tournament, but their little— In-season tournament. In-season tournament. So there you go, right there. Miles Turner chipped in. Well, he has 17 points tonight.

Yep. Nimhar gave you 20. Pascal Siakam gave you 20. And Aaron Neesmith gave you 19 on eight of eight shooting. Pascal Siakam think he Kobe. He think he Kobe when he come and die in there, doing turnaround, waving people off, like he going one-on-one now.

Come on, fam. Run the offense through Halliburton, man. But nevertheless, though, I think, you know, Knicks hurt. Josh Hart blew a tire. Sang with Jalen Bronson, the head coach. He just rang him, man. He just rang him too much. Man, Josh Hart playing 48 minutes, like, what, two or three games in a row?

Yep. So I think they just take a toll on your body as a whole. But you know the Knicks, y'all had a great season. I got a couple friends up in New York, and them rats right now, they're having a ceremony right now. Skip to my Lou, rolling over in his grave right now.

Ja Rule, rolling over in his grave right now, man. New York, y'all celebrated too early, man. I was seeing y'all celebrated too early, man. I was seeing y'all playing music before the game. I knew me and y'all was going to lose. But I got to the place where they ate country kitchen before they played. Yeah, they did. I knew they was going to win, huh?

Country kitchen. Country kitchen, where it's at. I agree with you, Dub. And we've talked about it all year. The problem that Tibbs have is that he plays these guys extremely, I mean, bro, they on fumes. They're on fumes.

I mean, you got Josh Hart. Josh Hart probably, until he went out the other night, was probably averaging about 43 minutes a game in the postseason. You got all these guys playing and, OG, look, I understand he held together with all that tape.

I was like, well, damn, bro. How you gonna be able to move? He got Kinesio tape all that rock tape all down the back of his leg, all down the side. Hell, I thought he was a Ken doll that we had to pull the legs off his ass and try to fix him up. I was like, well, damn. Why is he holding? He went up and down

like two times dumb. He raised that hand and said, I ain't got nothing for you. I ain't got nothing for you tonight. But, I mean, you play those kind of minutes, and you look at the shooting. Pascal Siakam, 8 of 15. Aaron Neesmith, 8 of 8. Miles Turner, 7 of 11. Nim Hard, 8 of 10.

Halliburton, 10 of 17. McConnell, 6 of 8. Isaiah Jackson, 3 of 10. Halliburton, 10 of 17. McConnell, 6 of 8. Isaiah Jackson, 3 of 3. Only Obi Toppin was out there running around like a blind dog in a meat house. He was good and terrible today. Good thing they didn't need him. But you let a team shoot 67% from the floor?

54% from the three? Aw, man, you not beating them. Oh, hell no. You know what's funny? The chances of you matching that efficiency is not highly, not likely, because somebody ain't playing no goddamn defense. Let's start over for one.

Somebody ain't playing no goddamn defense. What do you say as a player? What do you say? Because your star hurt, really. Bronson hurt. Who do you go to and talk to and say, we really need you?

Like, who was on that team that you think Bronson could have went to? Well, Devin Chizzo gave you 39, or duh, he was 9 of 15 from the three.

He was like keeping them attached. But the problem is, if you studied, and they have, I'm certain, if you watch the way the Pacers play,

they're looking to push tempo. Whether you make it, they'll take it out the net, and they have, I'm certain, if you watch the way the Pacers play, they're looking to push tempo. Whether you make it, they'll take it out the net, and they're going to push it. If you look at it, they was on May basket, they was getting up, laying the ball up in the other end because the Knicks weren't getting back. You miss it, they're getting up, and you got Nim Hard reigning a three.

You automatically know you got to sprint back because you know why? They know Josh Hart's going to crash the board. They know Hardenstein's coming. So somebody, if everybody crashing the board, who's back on defense? So they're like, okay, let's corral a couple of these loose balls. We're going to get some easy buckets. But you know the pace of style.

They don't play defense either. They just feel that they're going to get some easy buckets. But you know the Pacers' style. They don't play defense either. They just feel that they're going to make a better percentage. They're going to get more layups than you are. They don't play no defense. They're trying to play old 80s basketball. And if you're old enough to remember, when the teams were routinely scoring 140s, 150s, there were a couple of games in the 180s,

if you can believe that. But the way they play, they're trying to, hey, make or miss, we pushing. Like Mike D'Antoni offense that he used to just talk bad about because the Suns things he had, they didn't play no defense. They've been trying to outscore you.

Like you said, it's the same thing the Pacers doing now, so you got to score to beat the Pacers. You see the number? 130. You see the number they got? 130. They scored 39 in the first quarter. They scored 39 in the second quarter.

That's 70 points. They got 31. In the last 25 playoff series, that's the first time somebody's been at 101 through three quarters.

You ain't playing a lick of defense. And they couldn't be me because you ain't playing defense. I'm the coach. You sitting by me.

Come here. Come here. Sit right here. I'll put somebody else in now. Well, at this point. Well, the thing was, OG, once OG got hurt, he's their best perimeter defender. Josh Hart with that cartilage. You know, Ocho, I don't know if you've ever had real cartilage,

but you ain't moving too split. Yeah, I ain't. Because any sudden movement, it hurt. It hurt, yeah. And I know they gave a little medicine. They gave a little medicine to calm that thing down. I don't know what that feel like. I don't know what it feel like, but obviously, listen,

the Pacers did what they need to do. But I'm curious. The Knicks didn't have a bad season at all. Injuries ruined the ending of this series. And I just want to know, I want to ask both of y'all, what do you think Jalen Brunson ranks as a Knick

all time? Well, it's too early. Because you got to realize, the Knicks won championships now. They had Walt Cryer, Frazier, they had Earl to Pearl Monroe. The Knicks won championships. Based on what he's done so far, as far as his scoring efficiency in the playoffs,

is he anywhere in the top? Well, I mean, you got to understand, they haven't won a title yet. I don't know if you remember Bernard King in the 80s, but Bird Dog could go get buckets. Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. He ain't did nothing.

Peckin Ewing ain't do. Okay. So, I think the thing is, and look, I love his game. He's an undersized guard. We haven't seen a guard his size. You got to go back to Isaiah Thomas. Doug, you remember Isaiah Thomas was doing this for the Celtics. Before he had that hip, he tore that labrum in his hip.

He was dropping 50. He was dropping 40s. And really, him playing through, dealing what he was dealing. You know, remember he tragically lost his sister. And he played through a tour in Labrum, which really cost him. Because he should have sat his ass down. Danny ain't got a player. And the man never got the money that he rightfully deserved.

But if you go back and look at Isaiah Little IT. Not the original Isaiah. He put up numbers. He had numbers like this, but man, Brunson, man, he can go get buckets. He can stroke the three, and he

spends a lot of time in the paint. Man, he be putting that body on and putting that shoulder in that chest. All he needs is a little separation, and that lefty the mid-range he's special he they got something special but the thing is what ocho you know and dub you've been following sports you don't start back in the eastern conference semifinals you got to start this journey all over again yeah you got to leave your house all over again and start on this road again. And ain't no

guarantee in sports. That's why we love sports so much. Because ain't no guarantee. Ain't no guarantee you're going to get back here. Ain't no guarantee that you're going to take a step further. You're like, oh yeah, they went to the semifinals, the Eastern Conference semifinals. Next year, they take the next step. And the next year, they take, no, no, it don't work like that.

That's not how sports work. Think about it. You're going to have a healthy Youngs, a healthy Dane next year they take the next step and the next year they take, no, no, it don't work like that. That's not how sports work. You got to think about it. You're going to have a healthy Youngers, a healthy Dane next year, with the books. Can't count them out next year either. Or a healthy Joel Embiid. What about a healthy Embiid? You need to get out them sketches, fam. You can't buy all them sketches.

Come on, man. That's why y'all always got foot problems. You need to buy them sketches. Come on, man. It's why y'all always got foot problems. These problems are sketches. Come on, man. Hey, Doug, what they paying them? Hey, Doug, what they paying them, man? Man, you need to go and get on some of them sketches.

They put me out there. It's on. I ain't passing the ball. I'm letting you know right now. Sketches, Pro Kids, Zips, it don't matter. Whatever y'all got. Y'all paying. They probably give that man probably about $12, $15 million to wear them sketches.

Yeah, more than that to be honest. Ain't nobody wearing them but him. They ought to be giving them $50. All them sketches I wear them. I think Julius Randle them sketches also, dog. He ain't played in nine months. He ain't helping them right now.

He's mourning with the Knicks right now. So you have two. Hey, I don't know. Has this ever happened before? Two road teams on the same day go on the road and win game seven? I don't know if that's ever happened before. So you probably got an opportunity to witness something extremely rare, which two road teams go on the road

and win game sevens. The Knicks go on the road and they do a complete demolition job on the Knicks, 130 to 109. The Timberwolves down by as many as 20 points in the ballgame, come back, all the way back, and they win 98-90.

Both teams advance to the Eastern and Western Conference Finals, where the way back, and they win 98-90. Both teams advance to the Eastern and Western Conference Finals where the Pacers will take on the Celtics who's been waiting for a couple of days and the Timberwolves start at home where they take on the Dallas Mavericks who dispatched the OKC Thunder yesterday.

So that's the matchup. Pacers travel to Boston. Game one is probably what? Tuesday or Wednesday? And the Minnesota Timberwolves open at home against the Dallas Mavericks. So the Boston series starts Wednesday. I mean, the Mavs.

The Mavs start Wednesday. The Mavericks and the Timberwolves start Wednesday. Indiana and the Celtics start Tuesday. Okay. All right. It's time for our first, first, first segment of the night. It's a news cap. Several teams are considering drafting Bronny in the first round to lure LeBron James.

An anonymous NBA exec, if you're a contender and you're not having those conversations, it's irresponsible. The Lakers are among the teams reportedly considering drafting Bronny, I'll bet, in the second round. The Mavericks are also in the mix with reports suggesting they might draft Bronny as a strategy to attract LeBron to their roster. Dub, I'm going to start with you on this one first. What do you think? Should a team draft LeBron James Jr., Bronny James, in the first round with the hope of potentially luring LeBron? Hell no.

Hell no. I love Bronny. Bronny's going to be great in this league, but I'm not taking the first round. No, I'm not going to be able to do it. Only way I would do it if I know LeBron, in fact, is don't come to my team. Now, the reason why I feel like the Dallas Mavericks name come up

because the relationship with LeBron and Jason Kidd. So I don't think a lot of people know that they're real close and cool on that. So I can see Jason Kidd trying to pull that off, but I don't see the Lakers letting that happen. I feel like they are going to draft Brungie and just keep running and do it that way. But I'm an NBA owner, and first round, Brungie James come up, watch out. If he's still in the fourth round, third, fourth round, I'll get him.

They only got two rounds of basketball. Well, I'll get him second round. I'm not getting him first round. I got to go get me somebody that's going to help my team right now. Not two or three years from now. I need somebody right now. So, no, I wouldn't take Bronny first round. No.

What you thinking, Ocho? Man, you know, I'm going to get him. I'm going to get him. First round, second round, I don't care what it is because you understand, LeBron has already said it already. LeBron said his dream is to play with his son.

So whoever drafts LeBron, I mean, whoever drafts Bronny, LeBron at some point is going to find his way there. It might be the Lakers. If it's not the Lakers, hell, it could be the Mavs. Wherever it is,

hell, it could be Cleveland, whatever it would, it don't matter what round he goes to, you still understand what you get. Even with a 30 plus year old LeBron, it gives your team a chance to be Cleveland, whatever. It don't matter what round he goes to, you still understand what you get. Even with a 30-plus-year-old LeBron, it gives your team a chance to be in contention. Wherever he goes, it doesn't matter, even at his age.

You know what I'm saying? Never. That's bad. That's bad. 15 years ago, I would say that about LeBron. This LeBron here, he's radiated them back up several times. No.

No, sir. Here's the thing. Guess what I haven't heard? I've heard LeBron say his dream is to play with Bronny. I've never heard Bronny say that's my dream to play with my dad.

He's not supposed to say that. Why not? Because he's not supposed to. You got to stick to the script. Because they had that talk at home already. Let me do the talking. You say all the right things

and I'll hand everything else on the back end. He's not supposed to say that. If LeBron, I don't believe LeBron, his last year, I believe he's going to play with Bronny. Last year? The next two years.

I told you that's not going to happen. It's going to happen now. No, it's not. If it doesn't happen now, it ain't going to happen later. But then LeBron ain't trying to win no more rings, dude. He need to cut my ass later, dude. Thank you.

Thank you. He need to cut my ass later. Man, I ain't going to win no more rings. I just want to play with my son. Cool. What, you don't want to win no more rings, bro? Hold on. Hold on.

You just said it's the passing of the charts. It's a young man's game now. It's a young man's game now, right? Yeah. But LeBron ain't 30 yet. Bam. He going to be there. Y'all trying to give him, right? Yeah, but Bronny ain't 30 yet. Bam. He gonna be there. Y'all trying to give him table food too fast, Ocho.

Continue to give him gerbil. Continue to give him gerbil. You give that baby that chicken leg, it's gonna be over. That's all he gonna want is some chicken. Keep him on the bananas right now, man. On the gerbil, man. That's the thing. That's it. Like I said, I believe LeBron James, he's going to opt out of the contract.

I believe he signs two plus an option. The option year gives him the opportunity to opt out his contract and go wherever Bronny is. Bronny is, right. But LeBron James, LeBron James, and he's looking like, okay, I'm sure Rich Paul and LeBron is saying, who develops players? Who do the Lakers develop?

The Mo? Okay, they didn't develop Brandon Ingram. They didn't develop Lonzo Ball. They didn't develop Julius Randle. Oh, we want to give them credit. If they thought so much of Austin Reeves, he wouldn't have been an undrafted free agent. Wasn't Caruso another undrafted free agent? I'm

talking about those high draft picks. The Brandon Ingram, the D-Lowes, the Lonzo Ball, the Julius Randle. Did they develop them? I got a question. When it comes to development, doesn't development anyway happen in the goddamn offseason? If I'm not mistaken? No. He don't not mistaken. No.

You don't have to go down to a Grand Papa village somewhere to get developed the right way. Did you see OKC? You see them young guys? Are they developing? Yeah. I'm talking about you. You just told me. You just told me you develop by playing.

Now you telling me you developing the offseason. I'm not saying develop, work it on your game, getting develop by playing. Now you're telling me you're developing the offseason. I'm not saying develop, working on your game, getting your shit together, because obviously once you go into a structured environment, I'm just thinking X's and O's. I'm thinking X's and O's, and whatever you improve in the offseason, then you bring that in and make it

easier for those around you. That's what I mean by developing. Can you carry it over? Can you carry it over in the game? I would hope so. I would hope so. We see a lot of guys. How many guys you see it over? Can you carry it over in the game? Yeah, I mean, I would hope so. I would hope so. We see a lot of guys. How many guys you see on tape? You see in the offseason, they working out.

They stop it. They ready to speak. And it come game time, you're like, well, damn, bro. I saw your fam. Yeah. Yeah. I saw your IG stories. You look like J.R. Rice.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. But, look, like I said, I don't think LeBron I don't think LeBron is chomping at the bit right now. He knows that process is a couple of years away. I believe LeBron James believes, legitimately

believes he can play currently at the level that he's playing at, at least two to three more years. I believe he believes that in his heart that he could average 25, the numbers that he averaged 25 points, seven rebounds, eight assists for the next two to three years.

That third year plus Dub, he want to put that record out there. He don't want nobody to ever, ever get that because they thought nobody would ever touch Kareem's record. Kareem's record, yeah. Because I'm old enough to remember when Kareem broke the record at the Thomas and Mac at UNLV.

People don't, against Utah. Because back then, teams traveled. Basketball wasn't like it was now that you play all your home games in your home arena. No. The Lakers traveled. Boston played games in Hartford. Atlanta played games in New Orleans.

People don't, I'm old enough to remember that, Doug. That was a little bit before your time, you and Ocho. Yeah, no, I was there. I was there. The rules were a lot different. You got three shots to make two at the free throw line. Three to make two is what they called it. The first round of the playoffs was the best two out of three.

And then you went three out of five. Then you went four out of seven. I remember when they put the three-point line in in 1979. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that game. So that just shows you. But I don't think – I think LeBron – I think Bronny needs time to develop. He needs probably about another year to grow into his body,

get a little stronger. What did they say? He's 6'1 1⁄2", 210. That's a nice little frame. He probably could put on another 5 pounds and can be a holiday. Be a day beyond Mitchell. I think he can be better. You think he'd be better than that dog?

He got the best trainer in the world. I don't doubt nothing about what Bernie James can be at all. But here's the thing dog. We got the temporary expectations because of his daddy. Because a lot of times what we do with his dad,

God ain't going to give you that. You tell me the great, historically great player that his dad and the son have been historically great. Kareem had a son. Dr. J had a son. Magic had a son. I know one who's going to be like that. I know a father- son I know one who gonna be like that

I know a father-son duo who gonna be like that Marvin Harrison Sr. and Marvin Harrison Jr. Mark Miller Mark Miller That's one on the way My expectations are realistic You can look at the DNA You can look at the body style

You can look at the playing type of each person You look at LeBron and you look at Bronny. I'm not expecting Bronny to look like LeBron because they have completely different playing styles. They're built differently. It's just common sense from looking from the outside in, so I'm not expecting Bronny

to play like that. So obviously, whatever style of game he does have and whatever style of game he does develop, he ain't going to have to make a name for himself. And it won't be anything like his father. But he can sure be right now. And LeBron could at this point. I give him that. Bronny needs to be Bryce size.

Bryce look like he's about 6'6". That's what Bronny need. Bronny need to be 6'6". No. Stop it. Barry Bonds was a very good player. I mean, Bobby Bonds was a very good player. He ain't Barry. Ken Griffith Sr. was a very good player. I mean, Bobby Bonds was a very good player. He ain't Barry. Ken Griffey Sr. was a very good player. He ain't Junior.

So stop it. Stop it. Y'all list the names. You can list all the names you want. Maybe if you want to go hockey, you go to the halls. You go Brent and Bobby Hall. Okay, I can see that. But when you start talking basketball and baseball

and football, it ain't even close. Either the dad was his story. Archie Manning was great. He got two sons that went number one overall. Archie wasn't Peyton. He just wasn't. I'm old enough to remember when Archie played.

Yeah, I've seen Archie play with the Saints, man. I'm just saying, you know, it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing materializes. I just think the thing is, it's hard for a player when you have a historically great father because they automatically assume

you're going to be like that. And bro, you're talking about, I believe he's the greatest. Most people don't have him outside the top three the likelihood of somebody a top three football basketball baseball player and you got a son

that's going to be his transcendently great no come on now the Mayweathers that's another good example hey Floyd Sr wasn't Floyd he wasn't Jr. right no

if that was the case, if Sugar Ray Leonard was made well now we talking about something because Sugar Ray was legit, won the gold medal in 76 and then 76 and then he ended up knocking out Wilford Benitez who who was the youngest champion, at

17. Well, he was like, he was a little older when he knocked him out, but he won the belt. Wilford Benitez, I think he was 17 when he won the title. But it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen often. Look at Joe Frazier and Marvis. Mm-mm. Mm-mm.

Cesar Chavez, junior and senior. Junior, what? Senior? Yeah Senior Muhammad Ali was great and Laila Ali was great Yeah That's a good one That's a good one It doesn't happen often I mean my daddy went with a damn nine year old

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I keep hearing multiple things. What do you hear? I keep hearing DeJounte Murray, Donovan Mitchell, and then I hear DeMar Rosen wants to come back home and play. He has no problem coming back home. He's always wanted to come play. I think things didn't happen. I think Russ came instead instead of DeMar.

So what do they do? Who is the best fit? Who is the best fit to pair where they have a three-headed monster? I'm assuming they have to get rid of Russ, right? Do you have to let Russell have to go? Yeah. There's going to be a lot more people that got to go. He ain't going to be the only one.

Well, you ain't going to have no bench then. You're going to be just like the Suns. Do you want to do that? Do you want to put all your eggs in one basket with a three-headed muscle and have no goddamn bench in there and the onus of winning becomes just relying on three people?

They. Nah. Because you're going to be just like the Suns. You're going to be home. Hell, maybe. Kevin Durant. For him, I would. For him, I would.

Oh, yeah, yeah. For him, I won't need no bitch if I get KU. No, I got. Look at Minnesota. They got two stars enrolled. Look at Denver. They won two stars enrolled. Look at Denver. They won the championship. Two stars enrolled.

Look at Indiana. They're in the Eastern Conference Finals. Look at how they're built. Look at the Celtics. Look how they're built. Yeah. For three stars, you deplete because I read that over the what

the next three years they owe Book, Bill and KD $484 million between the three god damn what you gonna put around them $484 million hold on they owe him how much

484 million and didn't go nowhere so come to LA Katie come to LA Katie real talk come on whatever you need

we got it for you I'm for now let me see let me see if Katie answer man let me see let me see what happened man look here hey We'll talk. Come on, come on. Whatever you need, we got it for you. I'm for now. Let me see if KD answer, man. Let me see what happened. Man, look here. Hey, Cardinals rookie Marvin Harrison Jr. is being sued by Fanatic.

Marvin Harris Jr. marches to his own drum. There are higher limits of doing things his own way. One such limitation potentially comes from a contractual commitment he previously made. Accounts of the conflict between Harris and Fanatic emerged after the draft, sparked by Harrison's failure to sign an NFLPA licensing deal that would allow Fanatic to sell his Cardinals jersey. It came to a head this weekend with Harrison not going to the NFL rookie premiere and more significantly, Fanatic Sue and Harrison for breach of contract.

Hey, you got, I'm confused by this now. If he signed a contract, ain't what you confused by. Okay, okay. So he did sign it. Huh? So he did sign it.

It's hard for me to believe that he didn't sign it and this company is suing him. Damn. Because it's going to be easy to prove one way or another, right, Doug? Yeah. That signature? What Dollar Bill saying? He told what he tell Blue. I got a contract

between me and you to say you do what I tell you to do. So get on the line with Blue. So how do you resolve the issue? Obviously, I've never been in this issue. I've never heard of Fanatics or any company actually suing the player for breach of contract when it comes to them wanting to sell you memorabilia. Obviously, they want to be able to make money off you.

It's just like when you said, Ocho, it was just like we were the member of the NFLPA. The NFLPA could sell our jerseys. They could sell our cars. They could sell our likeness because we signed a contract once you signed that contract you came back out of it I get it, he marched to his own beat

he didn't go to the combine he didn't have a pro day, he said my tape speak for itself, all that's fine and good but once you put your name on that dotted line it's a whole hey, this here. You see, you know what contracts used to mean?

A contract was a meeting of the minds. There was no signature required. Dub had, you know what? Dub had livestock. I had produce. Dub and I make a Hey, Dub, I tell you what. For a couple of pigs and a couple of cattle,

I'm going to give you grain. I'm going to give you produce. Okay. I get Dub livestock. All of a sudden, I don't want to give him no grain and no produce. Now, we already had a meeting of the mind. Right.

But see, now, I got to get it on paper. Because once I put it on that 8x10... You can't get out of that hold on hold on just a second hold on guys just a second let me get this right here

Judge Judy right here once it's on here I don't care where I was under duress and I was under just like them pre-nups you gotta make them sign up I don't care where I was under duress and I was under. Just like them prenups.

You got to make them sign up. Oh, yeah. Do you hear me? Yeah. You think you're going to get $30 million? No, you ain't. You're going to get $300. Yeah.

Yeah. Hey, yeah, yeah. Hey, I told my homeboy. I said, man, you signed a prenup. He said, no, man, homeboy, I ain't got nothing. I said, see, you should have signed a prenup because you want all of your nothing because if you get divorced you gonna get 50% of your nothing so now you only 50% of what you was when you came to the marriage

now you see how you talking on now you talking sense now you see why I'm now you wanna see why I'm signing on hey bubba listen my old lady make more money than me she got a little bit more money than me. And I'm just and I told her, listen, I'm trying to protect

myself. I want to live the same lifestyle I've lived but not in case he decide to leave. I ain't signing shit because when you leave, I won't have. Shit, I want to still be a stay-at-home father when you go. You know how women are, man. One day they love you Monday and on Friday, they don't feel the same no more.

At least you got somebody to love you. My girl cheated on me and cried with me. God! Hold on. She tried to hold your hand. She was dying. It's going to be okay, baby. Get up off me.

Damn. I have to stay there. My mama said I couldn't come back over there, so I just stuck it out, man. Oh, you still there? Okay, that's cool. That's cool. Hey, listen. Forgive and forget.

Forgive and forget. A little therapy. A little therapy. No, no. I had to wait until I got my income money. Then I burnt. When I got my taxes, I was out of there. Oh, you left?

Yeah, she let me carry kids on my income. I got to go find her after I got that $7,000. I only need you now. Come here. I get my own place. And you can't come. Hey, but y'all funny. Hey, but I understand.

I understand what Marvin Harrison Jr. was trying to do, right? I know what he was trying to do. I think he probably signed. I think he doesn't even realize he signed it. He probably signed it a little earlier than he suspected. He don't realize. He don't realize. And I think he wanted to make the bulk of the money.

He wanted to make the bulk of the money instead of getting a small percentage. Ocho, where you going to go? Fanatics own damn near everything. Where you going to go? How you going to get your jersey? How you going to get your jersey? How you going to sell your jersey? I don't know.

The same way we sell our stuff? Maybe he could be the first. Maybe he could be the first to do it himself. Ocho, Ocho, we own nightcap. He don't own the NFL? What the hell you talking about? You don't own no team? I know.

I don't know what angle he was trying to do. I'm sure there's something. There's a reason. There's a mastermind behind what he was trying to do. I think he just signed a little too early and he had other plans. That's all. You know what happens, Ocho?

A lot of times where people got caught up at, early on, they were signing with the agent. They were getting that money. Okay, give me $100,000. And then they wanted to go sign with another agent. Well, you already done put your name on the contract. You got to pay that $100,000 back. You can go somewhere else. but you got to pay.

Or a lot of times, guys, I want a new agent. Well, as long as you under that contract that he negotiated, he going to get that 3%, 4%, 5% that he negotiated. Now, once you do a new contract, it's off the table. But he going to, and that's why I get, oh, I got me a new agent. Bro, you just signed the contract. You know he's still going to get paid on that. He don't care.

Sometimes, you know, I don't think guys understand how that works. Just because you fire him, that doesn't mean he's still not entitled to the contract that he negotiated for you. But hopefully it works out. Like I said, we don't know the gist of it. It just seems to me that he probably, and probably what happened, Ocho, because he was a big name,

they probably gave him some money up front. You think so? Yeah. Man, you know how them top rookies come out? They already done signing cards. Yeah. They, you know how them top rookies come out? They already done signing cards. Yeah. They already done signed them. So they already, they probably got $100,000, $200,000

before you got any money. So that's how you get them nice shiny road. That's how you get the APs and the Patents and you wearing Louis and them customs. What are they working at, Ocho? What job they had from the end of football season to the draft. Right.

We know that NIL. The NIL deals, dog. The NIL. Everybody got no NIL. That's true. Yeah. We understand Jane Daniels. We understand Caleb Williams.

But everybody, I'm sure Marvin Harrison had one, but guess what? Oh, yeah. When was the last time you heard a person say, I got too much money? You hear people say, I'm sure Marvin Harrison had one, but guess what? When was the last time you heard a person say, I got too much money? You hear people say, I got too many cars, I got too many homes, I got too many pairs of shoes, too many clothes. I ain't never heard a person say, I got too much money.

Right. Even with an NIL deal. Hold on. All I need to do is sign like a thousand cards and you're going to give me a quarter of a meal? Send things on over here. Hey, I remember

one time, like my second year, I signed like 3,000 cards for like 15 grand. 3,000 for 15? You got ripped off. I wasn't getting no ripped off. Bro, I was a special team player.

My bad, my bad, my bad. I wasn't what I became, Ocho. I'm forgetting the racks. Yeah, $15,000. And you got to think about it, Ocho. I was only making $73,000. Boy, that's a fifth of my salary. You better stop it.

I just did a signing last week. You still do signings or no? I do one. I did one. I did one. I think, what was that? What was that? Did we go,

did you go with me to D.C.? Did you go with me to, you didn't go with me to D.C. to that signing. No. I went by myself. I do one about every four to five years. Okay.

That's it. Okay. There's a big one coming up in July where everybody going to be at. All the NBA players from back in the day, Rob and all the baseball players, all the legendary NFL

Hall of Fame players is coming up in July. Dude told me to ask you if you want to do it out in Cleveland because I just did a small one for a light 80 ball. A light 80 ball,

I think Monday. It might have been Monday. Monday last week. And he told me to ask you. I say, I don't know how Shannon works in the operation when it comes to doing signings. But tell him I appreciate I appreciate the invite. But I'm proud of that.

Oh, Joe, the last one I did, I did one in 2019. I just did one this year. Prior to the one in 2019, I think the last time I did it probably was. 2004, 2005. I think the last time I did it probably was 2004 2005 I like how you space it out I know what you're doing now I know you think you think you're slick I know what you're doing now okay and most of most of the time I do it

in private so you know you have the people that want the jerseys and you know you want the special things say uncles club shea shea and so most of them is done in private and know you want the special things say on because club Shay Shay right and so most of them is done in private and then you have the public side of it right you know yeah they have the tickets and you pull the tickets and so forth

and so on but no no but tell them thank you I really really appreciate that Ocho Doug we got 32,000 people live in the chat right now guys hey I know all them people I know all them people what's up what's up hit that subscribe button. Hey, hit the subscribe button to

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Quantities are limited and they're selling fast. We offer free shipping on all orders over $100 and an additional 10% when you order two or more items. Hey, check this out. As a rookie in 2016, Jacoby Brissett played for the Patriots under Bill Belichick. In 2024, Brissett is back with the Patriots, playing for the second time with Jared Mayo. Gerard Mayo, excuse me.

The vibe is different. Brissett says he appreciates how much Mayo wants the players to be themselves, run the team, and take ownership. He brings a lot of good energy. The cool thing is you can tell he's trying to make the players on the team run the team. Obviously, he's the head coach and sets the standard, but he's definitely put a lot of responsibility on us, the players, and I like it. I'm going to start with you, Ocho. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, it's cool. It's cool. I think the first thing he said that I like is he allows the players to be themselves. I think that's something that players that have played in the

England for many, many years have known. They had this thing called the Patriot Way, where you really had to, you really just really couldn't be yourself. There were a few players that were themselves. Obviously, Tom had to mask himself and not be exactly who he was. Gronk is one of the few, along with Aaron Hernandez, who were truly themselves

and were able to get away with it because... Hernandez was really himself. Yeah. Straight up. You know what I mean? That's what I own the field, man. I'm talking to own the field.

Gronk was able to be himself. Obviously you didn't see who Tom Brady truly was until he got the goddamn Tampa and the personality showed up. He created a Twitter account and you found out how funny he was and how much he liked to engage in, in creating content. And, um, account and you found out how funny he was and how much he liked to engage in creating content. And I think Gerard may allow the players to be themselves first

and then be football players. It would make things that much better and that much more welcoming for other players that want to come play for him in New England. Jacobus Brish, that's full of shit. He gets trying to start. Get another big contract.

That's all it is. He's going to start. Get another big contract. That's all it is. He's going to say all the right things and this and that. But nevertheless, though, I do think Jarrad Mayo is going to be a great head coach. I really do. Like y'all say, he come up on the bill, bill a check. He's going to be great. I mean, you always want a coach that allows you to be yourself. It's 2024, man.

You have to adapt. These are young, rich, young men. Gerard Mayo ain't too much older than the young men at that. So he has to get on their level. You know, you have to come in and win over that locker room. Like I say, it used to be the Belichick way. Now it's going to be the Gerard Mayo way. And he coming to the right situation with Robert Kraft,

even though I think things might not go great for New England, maybe the first two years, he ain't going to get fired. I'm just going to throw that out there. He's going to be okay. But that third season, if they ain't winning, I can see him getting up out of there. But Jacoby Brissett, he had a couple good years with the Colts as well. I think he's – they'll be okay.

I don't really foresee them being the old Patriots of old because they got Gerard Mayo, somebody up on the Bill Belichick tree. Personally, I just think Jacoby Bridger, he gets full of shit, man. He's saying everything he can say. Man, you know what I don't like, Ocho? I'll be all the way candid with you. Man, there's a lot of players pooping on

Coach Belichick, and they weren't saying nothing when they was winning the Marines. Ain't nobody had no way, ain't nobody had no problem with not being able to beat themselves as long as they went in the rings. Now, all of a sudden,

Coach Belichick gone. Because wasn't he there in 2016? Yeah. Because you know what? He ended up, wasn't he there? He ended up starting the game

when Tom Brady was suspended. Yeah. He didn't say anything bad, though. He didn't say anything bad. I'm just, listen, you really couldn't be yourself. You really couldn't be, really be who you truly are when you were there. I mean, it just. How the hell you going to be you the third quarterback? Who the hell are you trying to be?

Yeah. I mean, does he realize who he was when he was there? saying anything bad about Belichick. I think there's a sense of freedom. There's a sense of you know what? I don't have to walk on eggshells around here where everybody's expendable. Where during them days, everybody was expendable. They still expendable. They still expendable. They got rid of Tom. You don't think

they'll get rid of their ass? They cut Jerry Rice. They cut Joe Montana. They cut Emmitt Smith. They was about to cut Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, Bruce Smith left, Thurman Thomas, yeah. But even more so back then, even more so back then because they could put, they can

plug and pull and put pull pieces off the goddamn street and things were going to work because they had that number 12 as a centerpiece and no matter who you put around him, he was going to make it work no matter what. So that's what I mean a little bit more expenal and people walking on eggshells and really didn't want to do anything wrong.

Yeah. Look, I understand it had been very difficult. Here's the thing, Ocho. If you go into a situation like that and that's all you know, because see, like, if you got a parent,

Dub, and you can test this, if you got a parent that and you could test this if you got a parent that's disciplined and you go somewhere that requires discipline it's nothing to you yeah it's when you go somewhere and and if there is no structure when you're used to structure see if you could if i were to if i had to join the military the military would have been anything to me because i've come from a structured family i'm'm used to putting stuff away. I'm used to being on time. I'm used to having someone when I'm wrong to correct me and correct me in a tone that they like. OK, this can't happen.

Or as Colonel Jessup said, people die. Not to that extent, but I understand. It's like coming in on the coach reads coach reads with a coach Tom Landry disciple. There's only one way to do it. That was his way. After that, everything else was a piece of cake. Now, had I came from Mike Shanahan, who we had helmets

and t-shirts on Friday, we only put the pads on for about 14 plays during the week, and then go to Coach Reeves? Oh, hell no! But when we putting people on the ground on 9-0-7, during the week and then go to Coach Reeves? Oh, hell no. But when we putting people on the ground on 907 during the week, you can deal with anything after that. So if you got drafted, it probably was a shock to you because it was different in Cincinnati.

Had you gotten drafted to the Patriots, that would have been second nature to you because that's all you know. I mean, you know, it wasn't a problem for me, but I just knew once I got there because introducing myself to Bill, it was, hello, welcome to the Patriots. You know you're going to have to change who you are to be here. So I understood what that

meant. So those were the words verbatim that were said to me. So that's why I say, well, goddamn, I'm going to have to just be a shell of myself and nothing like I was in Cincinnati because that ain't part of the Patriot way. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying.

So you're saying New England didn't get the full Ochoa, is what you're saying? They didn't even get Ochoa. They got Chad Johnson. Yeah. Shit, they didn't even get that. I don't know who the hell that motherfucker was that played for the Patriots.

That nigga there was shitty as fuck. And it was the total opposite when I got to Baltimore. Ozzie, the general manager, says, hey, be you. Hey, I want the Shannon that I saw in Denver for all those years. Art Modell, rest his soul, told me the same thing. Brian Billick told me the exact same thing. Be you. Now, it's different. I mean,

it's easy to say, but you know, you going in, you know, yeah, you meet friends and you joke a little bit, but it's not the same because I had 10 years in Denver and I kind of grew and I kind of grew into the role. It was kind of a little difficult for me to come in there

and try to like da da da da so i just went about it yeah we had fun told a few jokes but my thing was see how i work out in the weight room see how i practice see how i eat and that was that was kind of like being who i was yeah did we tell jokes did we have fun doing stretching absolutely oh yeah but i can understand what you're saying when you've been a certain way and then all of a sudden you have to curtail

who you are. Yeah. Yeah, that would be tough, Ocho. I ain't gonna even lie. That would be tough. Yeah. See, that's why I don't like what you just said

when you were talking about be who you are. It's just like when I got with my ex, right? Before I got with her, she was a jump off. Then when she get with me, she want to be a queen.

No! I fell in love with the jump off. Not just somebody who want to be a queen, man. I don't know this person right here. I'm all on your only fans. I'm loving what I'm seeing. Now all of a sudden I get the same. I don't like all that, man. Be who you are.

But, uh, dog, you supposed to take her from a life of that. You rescued the queen. You went to all those, because remember now, you climbed the tower. Yeah. You climbed the tower

to rescue her. False advertising. I'm doing all this and that when the other players didn't have to do all that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all I'm saying. We've all been there. We've all been there.

We've all been there. All of a sudden, you know what I'm saying? You know, you know, I know, you know that I know, I know that you'll know that I know

what you're about. Yeah. But now all of a sudden, you want to go out to dinner. Yeah. Yeah. How you, why you,

I used to ask, why you want to be seen with me? You never required that of nobody else. Yeah. It's all on the same thing. They do different. What you mean I'm different? They know who to play them games with.

I'm different. No, I don't want to be different. I want to be just like them. You know, I'll pay the water bill because the only thing I'm going to do is wash my ass here. That's the only thing I'm doing, Dub. I ain't got nothing.

I ain't going to put no food in the refrigerator. I ain't buying no furniture. All I'm going to do is take a shower. I got 150 on the water bill. I got the stamps. I got the stamps.

I ain't got nothing else. I got the EBT card, baby. This is going to die, baby. Y'all here, boy. Yeah, but you right, Dub. That dude, that bad card, baby. Hey, y'all here, bro. Yeah, but you right, though. If they do that, baby, you kill me with that. I'm like, okay. But you different. You know I can see

myself with you. No! Don't see yourself with me. Yeah, you not the fun guy. You not the fun guy. If you were the fun guy, then they conduct themselves as such. Everybody want to be bad. You a serious person that they see guy. If you were the fun guy, then they conduct themselves as such. Everybody want to be... You a serious person that they see

themselves with long term. Like the fun guy, oh, they're going to let the fun guy have fun, do whatever they want. Hit first night, you ain't got to go nowhere, you ain't got to be seen with her. You are a future husband to women in their eyes. Back in the day, long term with me was five hours.

That's what I got. I don't know what you're talking about, long term. I'm a temp. You're giving them too much for five hours. I didn't worry about you. I spent two hours because I'm coming from out of town. That's why I ain't got the three. No. Oh, no. Hey, dumb. I spent two hours because I'm coming from out of town. That's why I ain't got the three. Hey, man.

No. Oh, no. Y'all shut up. But that's what I'm saying. I'm the call-on, nah. That's all. Hey, I'm a temp. I ain't no permanent.

I'm a temp agency. I come in. I'm going to work a couple of hours a week. And you're going to buy it. You added it? I got it. Yes. I got you.

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