Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Wolves win Game 4, Gordon Hayward vs. Sam Presti, Isaiah Thomas held up

Episode Date: May 29, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Timberwolves beating the Mavericks in game 4, Gordon Hayward's wife frustration over her husband's lack of playing time, and much much more!03:40 - Show starts04:48 - Timberwolves force game 513:30 - Celtics Sweep Pacers18:52 - Gordon Hayward wife speaks up37:33 - IT has AK pulled on him39:57 - NFLPA propose to overhaul OTA’s51:15 - Bills on Diggs Trade55:10 - Porter says he's best CB in NFL(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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our appreciation, appreciation guys we've created uh an additional 20 off use code unc that's an additional 20 off if you use the code unc the nightcap merch is pinned at the top of the chat ocho the wolves beat the mav ant-man almost had a triple double he had 29 points 10 29 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists. The youngest player in NBA history to have one of those numbers in an elimination game. Cat was the difference in the ballgame. Shot 9 of 13, 4 of 5 from the three-point line, 3 of 3 from the free-throw line.

Although he was in foul trouble the majority of the night and he ended up fouling out of the game, he gave them 25 big points and I think he had like 20 or 22 in the second half. But they stayed off elimination fourth of game five and now they're going back to Minnesota

trying to keep their playoff hopes alive. Well, obviously they don't have to try anything because I told you what was going to happen. They purposely allowed themselves to fall into a hole and they're going to shock the world. I told you. Now going to happen. They purposely allowed themselves to fall into a hole and they're going to shock the world. I told you. Now, the difference in tonight's game

was the difference in the first two games, first three. This was game four or game three? This was game four. Okay. The difference in the first two games was their big two, Kyrie and Luka. The difference in tonight's game

was goddamn Ant-Man and Cat. Cat, game three, he was horrendous from three. Cat tonight from three was phenomenal. Ant-Man is going to show you why he's the face of the league. I had a lot of people laughing at me, making jokes. What makes you think he's the face of the league? They are 0-3 right now. He's going to show you.

He's going to show you. He's going to show you. My words never go wrong. And if I say the Wolves are going to win in seven, they're going to win in seven. Now watch. It's never been done before. You're witnessing history. I'm telling you right now, Chad, you're witnessing history. I'm never wrong on stuff like this.

I think the difference in tonight's game, was aggressive early he didn't shoot a three ball until late yeah and then he got the ball he got the uh started posting up he started driving the basketball and then he saw the ball start to go in and when the ball started to go in he got gained more and more confidence and he shot those he wasn't forced hey great swing passes if you notice tonight they ran the offense through ant-Man. Ant-Man had nine assists. He did a great job. Yeah, he had six turnovers, but you put him in a position. That's normally Mike Conley's job.

They switched the defensive assignments. They put Jaden McDaniels on Kyrie. They put Ant-Man on Luka. That seemed to work. Now, what's going to be the counter? What is going to be Jason Kidd's counter to what he saw tonight? But yeah, the Minnesota one, they played better.

They got great production from their big two. And that's what you have to have. At some point in time, your big two is going to have to play the opposition's big two. And tonight they did. And they went on the road and they won a ball game.

I got one small issue. One small issue. Ant-Man, I know you're going to see this at some point because y'all watched the show. When he puts the ball on the floor and he's able to drive from perimeter inside when he's mid-range, he keeps hesitating. He keeps hesitating after he's missed a shot or two. Man, don't hesitate. Man, keep on shooting, man. Pull the trigger every single time.

Every single time. There are a few times where he beat his man off the perimeter. He gets inside, mid-range shot, and instead of just taking it, just shooting it, he passes it back out

and trying to facilitate. Man, shoot your shot. And it kind of looks like, even though I'm new to the game of basketball, it kind of looks like he's hesitant and is not trusting his shot in certain instances. He got to let that thing go, man. He did overpass the ball a couple of times.

He's 15 to 10 feet away. Go ahead and take that shot. Yeah. Hey, they trust you more than anybody else. So shoot the shot. If you make or miss, they'll live with that because you played well thus far. But I like the adjustment that they made.

They put the ball in Ant-Man's hand. They let him, like, bro, we need you to be aggressive. We need you to also open things up because they're going to have to come to double team. And so now, if you're going to double team him, now you're going to get Cat with some easy baskets. Now you get Jaden McDaniels making some easy baskets. And so that's what you do.

You make the offense a lot easier for everyone else when Ant-Man is aggressive because they have to scramble to try to send two people at him and somebody's going to be wide open. I thought Mike Conley was aggressive early also. He did a great job in the first half of getting going. He got going early. Ant-Man was extremely aggressive. He had 14 points

in the first quarter. And then he got it going in the fourth quarter. Give those guys credit, Ocho. They found a way to win the game when no one really gave them a chance outside of that locker room. I'm sure some of their fans were like, hey, we're going to win this thing. But

Dallas didn't play well. They didn't play. They seemed like they was lagging the whole night like Minnesota's just going to lay down. Nobody wants to get swept. You see how hard Indiana played last night? Nobody wants to get swept. Listen, Luka scared me again, Unc, man.

Like, yes, baby. I love you too, baby. Listen, Luka scared me again tonight, man. He scared me again tonight. Obviously, the pump fake, drawing Cat in, forcing Cat to foul out. Yep. Then tying it. Like, come on, man.

What we doing? And then I just talked about Rudy saying, why was Rudy Gobert in the game? And game three in that situation allowed Luka to hit that shot. And I said, well, it should have been Cat. Now it was Cat. And the same thing happened again. First of all you don't want to give him a clean look at the

basket. And so Luca knows that. So once he picks up his dribble and he hadn't shot the ball, he knows Rudy is going to try to jump. So once he pump fakes it, Rudy is up in there. Excuse me, Cat was up in there. And so once he pump face him, he knows I got you dead right now.

You at my mercy. Because physics won't allow you to jump and then turn your body so you miss it. But I think we need to give Minnesota a lot of credit. They did a great job on the glass. They out-rebounded, although it's only by two. But I thought Cat was the difference in the ballgame. Yes, Ant-Man was extremely aggressive.

29, what did he have, 28 points? No, he had 29 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists. Yeah. But Cat only played 30 minutes, and he was plus 15 and plus minus. 25 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist. I thought he did a great job of helping Ant tonight because they needed him. They needed Cat. He could

not have given them a performance like he's given them in the first three games, Ocho. No, they would have lost. They would have been home. No matter how good Ant played, and Ant played exceptional tonight, if Cat doesn't give you that,

you're going home. Right. You are pretty late tonight, lady. Say hi. Why you quiet? Say hi. Say what's up, Unc? Say what's up, Unc? Say what's up, Unc? He said, no, I ain't got nothing to say.

Say what's up. I ain't got nothing to say. Also, Lively. I thought this would be a close game. I did think Dallas would eke it out. But Lively's a different animal. He's more active around the basket than Gafford. And Gafford played well tonight.

But to be able to rotate those big bodies, they tried to go with Dwight Powell. Luka looked at the bench twice, like, get him out of here. He fumbled the ball one time. He didn't hit the correct screen. And so Luka looked at the bench for the second time. They took his ass

out of the game, and he didn't see any more action. Another thing, Ocho, Kleber just got back he had an ac joint sprain if he's not going to shoot the ball he's no good to him his ability he's a stretch so if he can't make shots why is he on the court because they're not going to guard it and he said that you know it's still it's still cumbersome it hurts to shoot the ball well if you're not going to shoot the ball they're playing five on four because you're not good enough in any other area you're not a good if you're not going to shoot the ball, they're playing five on four. Because you're not good enough

in any other area. You're not a good defender. You're not a great rebounder. You're not a great facilitator. So you don't add anything else to the equation other than your ability to stretch the floor. And if you're not going to stretch the floor by shooting the basketball, what good are your services?

Yeah, you're just a liability at that point. minnesota stayed off elimination they send it back to minnesota with a 105 100 victory over the dallas mavericks uh ant-man 29 points 10 rebounds 9 assists uh mike collie had 14 points on three or four free throws one or four from the free throw three-point line. Cat, 25 big points, three or three from the free throw line, four or five from the three. They got 13 points and 10 rebounds from Rudy Gobert. They got 10 points from Jaden McDaniels.

Nakia Alexander had six points. Naz Reed had six. And Kyle Anderson had two. And never forget, never forget, like I said, Chad, stay with me now. Wolves in seven. We are witnessing history, and it will be made. I don't know about that, Alpojo.

All right. I don't know it's time for our first segment of the night, and it's called a News Cap. News Cap. Go, baby. Go, baby. The Celtics sweep the Pacers en route to the final. The Celtics are where they're supposed to be. They were 14 games above

and 6.7 better than any other team in the Eastern Conference. And, you know, when you got JT, first team All-NBA, Jalen Brown, who was the lag bird recipient which means he was the eastern conference finals mvp now they're heading to the finals having lost two games through the first three rounds the any the fewest of any finalists in the last seven years uh as we mentioned jaylen brown averaged 29 points a game on 52 shooting five rebounds

three assists he made the biggest shot of the series when he had a game tying three in game one. Who knows how the series would have changed, how it would have turned out. Phil, they definitely would have been playing a game five at the bare minimum. But he's the finals, the Eastern Conference Finals MVP. The last couple of games, JT really picked up his scoring, but it was Derek White again making a big three in the corner that puts him up by three. And the thing is, Ocho,

if you watched this game last night, the Pacers are in position, but the inning experience shows his head again. Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers. Turnovers. You got it. And on top of those turnovers, the Celtics got points offovers, turnovers. Turnovers. You got it.

And on top of those turnovers, the Celtics got points off of those turnovers as well. I think the funny thing, but the Pacers fought. Yeah. The Pacers fought very, very, very, very, very well and trying to do all they can

to make sure it wasn't a sweep. But obviously without Halliburton, it was already a tall task if he was playing. But without him playing, it was almost impossible. But they did play well. I don't want to get his name the wrong way. Nimhard. Nimhard.

Oh, hey, boy. Young Bull. Yeah, he stepped up. Young Bull left it all on the court last night. Bull left it all on the court last night. He left it all on the court last night. He played well. He played really well. They got a player.

They got a player. Now, we've seen him take big shots, that big shot that he hit against the Knicks. What was that, game three? Hit a big shot a couple years ago. I think he hit a big shot against the Lakers that beat them, and the game was tied. They were up one. The Lakers were up one, and he ends up hitting that beat them at the game was tied and uh they were up one lakers were up one and he ends up hitting a three and winning the game so he's not afraid to take and make big

shots but i was very i was very excited to see how well he played he's a young player yeah he had some unfortunate turnovers and some crucial situations but he'll learn from that and he'll be a better player for it. But I like the way he played in this team. They got to make it something special. They can be good. Everybody's free agency is about to hit in the next

month or so. And the next thing, we can lure somebody in free agency. I'm sure the Sixers are we can make, we can lure somebody in free agency. I'm sure the Sixers are saying, hey, we can lure somebody in free agency. Miami's definitely, Pat Riley's always looking to lure someone to Miami to pair with Jimmy Butler and Bam.

And so it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing shakes out. But congratulations to the Indiana Pacers. They did, they put up a valiant effort, but the Celtics were just too good down the stretch in the clutch situations. And that's what I wanted to see

because far too many times in the regular season, we've seen them lose games like they won games one, three, and four. So give those guys credit. They're moving on to the 23rd NBA Finals, tried to break the tie. They have both the Lakers and the Celtics have 17 championships apiece. Now it's the quest for 18. And this is the year for Jason Tatum, huh?

He got to do it this year, huh? So is the championship a bust? It's always. No. It's always. That's the Celtics. I mean, certain teams, you know, that's LeBron, that's Steph, that's KD. Championship or bust.

I mean, what are you playing for? I mean, you got all the accolades. You've won MVPs. You've won finals. You've won scoring titles. You've been All-NBA. You've been the All-Star game. So what are you playing for now?

Right. That's it. Jason Tatum. You a three-time first-team All-NBA selection. You've been an All-Star. You're going to the Olympics. What are you playing for now if it's not championships? So yes, absolutely. It's championship

or bust. Yeah. Go. Go. Mommy wants you. Gordon Hayward's wife had a lot to say on IG today. Robin Hayward said, why trade for someone and not play them? Missed it by not integrating him.

Since I have time today, before the trade, Gordon told Sam he didn't think the trade made sense. So how can he miss when a player told you? Again, hi Brody. Not sure if you know this, but you need a ball in order to shoot. Hey.

I like that. I like that. The wife coming to the defense of the player. And obviously, you do need the ball to shoot. I know Gordon Hayward a little bit. Not personally, obviously. The few games that I have watched before

I started doing nightcap and i've seen him play if i'm not mistaken he's a he's a good perimeter shooter he's good from three if i'm not mistaken i've seen him when he's with the hornets right yeah the hornets at one point if i'm not yeah yeah you know decent player so i'm not sure how it's come to this point where he's not efficient or effective and if he was traded on the team they traded for him for a reason so why wasn't he using the right way? The man said, I made a mistake. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company.

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The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You ever made a mistake? You ever bought something and say to say man i shouldn't have bought that yeah but that's not nice to say especially at the gm position listen listen to me a position of power and there are certain things that you're supposed to keep you said you want you don't see when when when i say that about player you get upset with me. When coaches say certain things about players, you get upset.

Why you getting upset if they telling the truth? You say telling the truth sets you free. Yeah, I mean, telling the truth will set you free. But is it right for a person in his position to say something like that about a player? Because, you know, other players see stuff like that and be like, you know what? Hell no, I don't want to go play for him. That's how they feel about you. He about you say he was a bad player he said based on what i he said listen what happened he said we were a different team than when we got him because guys started to play better if guys starting to play better what am i gonna do so i'm gonna take him

out or i'm gonna take jaylen williams out or i'm gonna to take him out or I'm going to take Jalen Williams out or I'm going to take Chad out or I'm going to take Lou Dort out. Let's be real. Gordon Haywood hadn't been the same since he broke that leg in Boston. Let's be all the way real. Yeah. He had great, he had great seasons in Utah. Yes.

But bro, man, it's been a long time since Utah. We got to stop this. No. Sam Preston said, look, we made a mistake.

I missed on that one. He can't be perfect. I mean, he traded for Shea. He drafted Jalen Williams. He drafted Chet. I mean, every other thing that he's done. He got what he could out of the Russ trade. He brought Chris Paul in, traded him, got some more compensation.

I think he's done a great job. All he's saying, he's not saying Gordon Hayward is a bad player. He said, I missed because coming here, we got better and there was no room for him to play. I don't like that. There's always room. There's

always a room for a player of his caliber He's not that player anymore, Ocho. How do we know he's not that player if he hasn't been afforded the opportunity to show you? Why Charlotte trade him then if he's that player? Why Charlotte trade him if he's that player? Why Boston trade him if he's that player? Well, Charlotte was dumping.

Charlotte was dumping at that time and rebuilding, if I'm not mistaken, right? Rebuilding what? The house is already down. My point exactly. Think about it. Remember, think about it. Remember he was, wasn't he? Hold on. Wasn't he there with Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum and Big Al?

Yeah. How'd that work out for him? So why is he not in Boston? You are sure. You know, listen, the game of basketball is different. And it's all about what have you done for me lately? Unless you're a super, super duper star, then you really ain't going nowhere

unless you force your hand and you want out. It's like D. Rose. D. Rose wasn't the same player after he tore his knee. Gordon Hayward was not the same player after he broke his leg. He just wasn't. He wasn't. Nobody in the chat,

even the staunchest Gordon Hayward fan will tell you he's not the same player not even close he's a shell of himself and could he have been the seventh guy but that's not what he's making it seem like he should have been the sixth man or in the starting rotation bro that. That's not you anymore. That's tough. How is it tough? That's tough because I'm sitting here thinking about the players. I'm not saying he's Adrian Peterson, but

Adrian Peterson tore his ACL and came back and was still that boy. I'm thinking about all the other players that have been injured before. Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant tore Kevin Durant, Torres Achilles came back and was still at board. PG came back. Tell me,

tell me, tell me, Mr. Gordon broke his leg and came back and all of a sudden he's not the same. Wasn't even close. Let me ask you a question. When Derrick Rose tore his knee, was he ever that same player?

I'm not listening. Derrick Rose was special. I'm just asking you, was he ever that same player? I'm not. Listen, Derrick Rose was special. I'm just asking, was he the same player? We know he was special. He's the youngest MVP in NBA history. So we know he's special. Was he the same? It took away some of his skill and ability.

And the explosion that he did had, yes. Yes. So what about Gordon Hayward? So what did Gordon Hayward average in Utah? He was like a 20-point scorer. He made the all-star team. Me personally, I thought he was overvalued from the jump. That's just me personally

watching the game, watching him play. I thought he was overvalued. Okay, the Celtics thought it would be a great acquisition. Okay, fine. I ain't got no problem with that. But his last couple years in Utah. What did you average?

He was like a 20 and 26 guy. 22. Yeah, 22, 5, 22, 5, and 3. Okay, in Boston. What was his best year in Boston? Yeah, he made all-star team his last year in Boston? Yeah, he made the All-Star team his last year in Utah. That's how he got that max contract.

He probably should have stayed there. But okay, he wanted to win. He didn't think he could win in Utah. I got no problem with that. I commend the guy for giving up that fifth year and going to Boston because he thought they had a better chance of winning. He broke his leg like the first game of the season. Ah.

Next season, average 17. He averaged 11, then 17. Went to Charlotte. Average 20. See? See? See? See? 15. average 20 see see okay what do you see you see see 15 okay after that 20 season in charlotte 15 nine

ah hello are we understanding why those numbers are decreasing because the playing time is decreasing as well i don't think i'm personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with Gordon Hayward. I just think he's not getting the playing time that's needed to score the 20, to score the 19. That's all. And I know I'm right. I know I'm right. Because you just don't fall off a goddamn cliff

simply because you broke your goddamn leg. Yeah, sometimes you're not the same player. I mean, it's not like he had great athleticism to begin with. Yeah, I'm assuming he's a perimeter shooter. Mid-range is good. I'm assuming he's nice from three.

Let's just say you're only a step better, and you lose that step. Then what happens, Ocho? Then if you have that weakness, which your team can do, they can run plays for you to free you up. That's what they do in the NBA.

That's what they do in the NFL. When a certain player has weaknesses and he can't win on his own, you scheme him open. And then when the season's over, what do they do with that player? They move on. You know how, when a player gets old and he's not giving you that same production they ask you to take a pay cut first right

hey bro hey yeah you know we know you used to give us $1300 $1400 can you give us $1250 for a third of the salary nah man I can't put, okay, well, then we're going to have to release you.

Yeah. Me personally, look, like I said, I watch Gordon Hayward. I know his game. He was an outstanding player. I didn't have him as a top 20 player, but he was a solid player. 22, five, and three.

Yeah. Says that he's a solid player. Getting those numbers in the NBA, good. But he goes a solid player. 22, 5, and 3. Says that he's a solid player. Getting those numbers in the NBA, good. But he goes to Boston. I'm not so sure that was the best fit when you got JT and JB. To play three. I mean, that's a nice three-hitter. For someone that's scoring 22 a game.

But they all play basically the same guy. All of them are small forwards. So, if he was a big, and now you got JB and JT, you can slide either one. You can make those, they don't change, but you can play them at the three,

the four, you can slide one to the two. But they're really the same. Well, God damn it. Tell, tell, tell God damn it, say, hey, well, come on down, come on down to Miami.

We'll take him. We'll take him. We're supposed to know what to do with you. Come on down here, Gordon Hayward. I know you're going to see this. Come on down to Miami. We know what to do with you, boy. You hear me?

Shit. We know how to use our players. Well, you know, Pat could have traded for him. When? At the trade deadline. When he left Boston? Like OKC traded for it. I mean, it depends on what we had at the time. He might not have been on our radar

at the time, but now that this is coming out and the wife has to defend him because of an individual that comes out publicly and says he's made a mistake, you know? You don't do that. Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm surprised Sam Presti said that, Ocho. I'm not going to disagree

with you because that doesn't sound like him but I'm sure probably in the exit interview probably what you heard is that Gordon Hayward probably said some of the same things that he wasn't excited about his time he felt he should have

got more minutes and you know i'm you know what happened if he got more minutes he would have scored more goddamn points especially when you had the green light to shoot sometime you go to certain places it's you don't feel comfortable you're walking on eggshells and that's why not only the decrease in minutes but the decrease in points from from utah to boston that is a reason why they went down okc shit charlotte i just don't i just don't see anyone that was scoring 22 6 and 5 just falling completely off the cliff but he's not that player that would warrant 35, 40 minutes. Okay. You see what I'm saying?

In order to score, in order to score the amount of points that he's playing, he's probably playing 38 minutes where he's no longer that guy. So he can't give you that kind of production. So if you're not playing those kind of minutes, how can I give you to say, O minutes, how can I give you the same? Ocho, how can I

give you the same production if you don't give me the same number of targets? If you cut my targets in half, you're going to cut my production in half. Yeah. Running back gets 300 carries, he rushes for 1,500 yards. You give him 150, you still think he's going to get 1,500?

It's not going to happen. Oh, you catch him for 1,400 yards, but I'm giving you 150 targets a season. Well, Ocho, I'm only going to give you 100 targets. You ain't going for that number. Because now 100 targets, that means you got to catch every ball and average 14, 15 yards a catch just to get to 14, 15 hundred yards which you would know. Right.

You're going to be top three if you average 15 yards a catch on that many catches. Right. So that's why I just like I said, I'm surprised. I am surprised that Sam Preston like I made a mistake. Yeah, it's stuff like that you keep in house.

A lot of time. Other GMs have made mistakes as well, whether it be MLB, whether it be NBA, whether it be NFL. They don't come out and publicly say, you know what, I made a mistake. How do you think it makes that individual feel that you made that mistake on? How do you think other players feel about coming to an organization where you feel, well, damn, if you can do that to Gordon Hayward, what the hell do you think about me? They got a young team. They didn't want to mess up their chemistry. They had a great rotation going.

If you look at those guys, that's still the youngest roster in the NBA. They made it to the second round. Their core players, Shea, Jalen Williams, Chet, Lou Dort, Isaiah Joe. They got some nice pieces. Josh Giddey. They got some nice pieces. They need another big. They need another big and maybe another front-line player.

Man, hey, Paul George, you interested in coming back? Put Paul George with Shea. Or go get a big, go get a Andre Drummond that can take some minutes off chat, that can battle with a Jokic, that can battle with some of the bigs down low. Yeah, for sure.

I like it. But Mrs. Hayward was not happy with what Sam Presti said, and she voiced her opinion. Rightfully so. She should cuss his ass out. Send a letter. Matter of fact, write

goddamn, not David Stern, what's the young boy's name that's the commissioner? Oh, you talking about Adam Silver? Yeah, write Adam Silver shit. Just voicing your displeasure with the comments by a general manager somebody at a position

of power that's at a seat that high shouldn't be making that kind of comment shit god damn it yeah is he a free agent he's gonna be he's a free agent? he's a free agent yeah come on down to Miami

Mr. Hayward come on down to Miami we know what to do with you we're going to see how many takers he gets he's a free agent oh he's going to get some listen it might not have worked at OKC. Sometimes,

process of elimination. Relationship after relationship after relationship after relationship until you find the one that fit. And that's all it is. That's all it is. Until you find the one that fit.

And right here in Miami, Gordon Haywood is a great place for you. Okay? Now, if you need help findingwood is a great place for you. Okay? Now, if you need help finding a place, I can help you. I got my real estate license. How much you think Gordon Haywood

has made in his career? Let me see. If you said he was a Mac player, I'm not sure when he signed that Mac contract, but just off the top of my head, how many years has he been in the league? I mean, 10. No, he's been in the league longer than that, like 12.

12? 14 years. Oh, yeah, he's been in the league 14 years. But, you know, he played the first game, and then he missed the entire season. Okay, I can tell you right now, he's probably earned, you tell me if I'm wrong or right, he's probably earned $227 million at this point.

Tell me if I'm wrong or right. You need to go higher. Oh, shit. Wait. 283? A little lower. 270. Okay, around 270.

Okay, okay, okay. 270. God. Dang. Hey, man, I got to... I need to... It's too late, Ocho. You should have thought about it.

You should have thought about it. All the things, like the baseball players, you see the money they making? 500 million, 700 million. It's too late, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It ain't never too late.

It ain't never too late. While I'm still, listen, while I'm still willing and able and my upper and lower body extremities are still working, there's always a chance. There's always a chance. I can dream. I can be like the little engine that could. I just got to keep on pushing.

Oh, Joe. We should have thought about that, but you know, playing baseball, bat costs money. Glove costs money. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Traveling. Yeah. Traveling baseball team. Oh, yeah. yeah. Traveling. What's that? Traveling baseball team? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, you. Oh, yeah, that costs money. Mm-mm. Ain't how that. Nah. And plus, that gratification, man. Ain't nobody. Them honeys ain't coming out there

sitting in no hot sun. They gonna be at the football game or the basketball game. Get the dubs on them. Oh, it's your Isaiah Thomas, little Isaiah Thomas, has an AK pulled on him. Oh, it's your Isaiah Thomas, little Isaiah Thomas, has an AK pulled on him in his own city. Really tripping how these young

kids are moving around. I really had a life-changing moment yesterday where a kid pulled an AK-47 out on me and the homies. And if it wasn't for who I was and him recognizing me in my own city, he probably would have ended all our lives. Be safe.

They differ that there. Hey, listen. We talking about it? We talking about it or the old Isaac Thomas? I ain't talking about Z. I'm talking about Boston Celtics. Isaac, yeah. You got to be careful, man.

You got to be careful even if it's your hometown. You got to understand where you are. You got to be careful, even if it's your hometown. You got to understand where you are. The younger generation, there is no respect. There is no respect, regardless of who you are, what you've done, especially in the past. They don't see that. They don't see that, man. Now, the older cats would probably know who you are and have a little bit more respect for you and what you've done in your community, in the NBA,

knowing that that's where you're from, you know, they show you a little bit more grace. You know, them younger cats, you know, and you think about, oh, somebody pulled an AKA, you already know that ain't nobody, somebody young that has no idea. AK-47, not an AKA.

And AKA, oh, my bad. Did you say chop? AK-47. Yeah, chop, chop, yeah, chop. I don't really move like that, so I don't really know the abbreviations. my bad. AK-47. Yeah, chop, chop. I don't really move like that, so I don't really know the abbreviations. My bad. In his hometown of Tacoma, Washington. Yeah, sad.

Them young boys, they different. They move different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, today, everything is wild today. Everything is wild today. You know, during our day, our day, there was structure. There was structure.

There are certain things you couldn't do unless you got an okay or a green light. That's if you run in the streets like that. I'm not saying I'm part of the streets, but I had a great understanding of how it worked because it's where I grew up. Today? There ain't no goddamn order.

There ain't no order. Everybody just, they run around like the wild, wild west. Oh, quick. It don't matter who you are. They make you get up. So, yeah, man, it's different.

It's a different time now. So, stay. And wait, hold on. You said he was in his hometown, right? Yeah, Tacoma, Washington. And that's crazy, man. That's crazy. And the O the OTA the NFL Players Association is

working to finalize a proposal to overhaul the offseason starting as soon as 2025 eliminating voluntary on field workout in the spring and in favor of longer training camp ramp up with players reporting in mid June early July basically the idea would be rolling extended OTA style ramp up strength and reporting in mid-June, early July. Basically, the ideal would be rolling extended OTA

style ramp up. Strength and conditioning, non-padded work, etc. Straight into training camp without six weeks of break and de-escalation between. A major change. Do you like this, Ocho? Absolutely not. Don't change it up.

Don't change it up. Because you got to understand what you're doing is also you're taking money out of people's pocket. Sometimes the players in their contracts, they have incentives to come to these voluntary workouts, you know, and why would you want to extend training camp?

Because what they're saying, I thought we were, I thought we were about protecting the players. We've long decided that it was about the money. So we've been deciding what it was about the money. So we've been deciding what it was about. But you can see where this thing is headed. So what we're going to do is that we're going to have this long

rollout, one preseason game, and we're going to hit the game running. We're going to hit the field. We're going to hit the ground, the field running. So that's what you're building up to. And maybe you still put that in your contract, Ocho. Maybe you still put that in your contract, Ocho. Maybe you still put that in your

contract. Okay, take the money from the program and add it to the end season? I mean, I never put that in my contract because I wasn't going to come. So unless you give me a half a million dollars, I wasn't willing to, for $50,000, I wasn't willing to stay in

Denver. I want to do my own workout because I knew I was going to push myself harder than what I was going to work out there. And I was the only one that Mike, that wasn't required to be in OTA, in off-season conditioning. I was the only one in Mike Shanahan's career. I don't like it though.

I don't like it though. I don't like taking away the preseason games for those that sign as free agents, for those that come out of college, they get an opportunity to make the team. I don't like it for those that are third, fourth, fifth and sixth round draft picks because they need that film. film of those three or four preseason games that they do play in to get a chance, not only to make that squad, but to put themselves on tape as a resume for other teams that might need a body at that position. I

don't like it. I don't like it because it takes away from them and their opportunity to get a chance to play in the NFL. Man, you know how I feel. I mean, I made it because we had five games. That's the only... If we'd have had three, I wouldn't have made it. If we'd have had four, the conventional, feel i mean i made it because we had five games that's the only if we had three i wouldn't have made it we'd have had four the conventional i wouldn't have made it it was the very last game in which i made it so you already know how i feel i was talking to

commissioner he's like what do you think about the new rules i'm like commissioner i'll be honest with you i ain't crazy about it i understand why you guys are implementing because the kickoff the concussion rate goes up exponentially you're talking about probably extra 20 30 40 because the collisions are so great you get 20 miles an hour running this way 20 miles an hour running that way and when they collide something bad gonna happen eventually every time especially if you you know you do that x amount of time you score on a field goal you're scoring you know a punt return or something like that eventually. Every time. Especially if you do that X amount of times. You score on a field goal, you score on a punt return or something like that.

There are a lot of kicks. Even punts. But I get it. I say for me, probably wouldn't have made it. Probably would have had to wait another year, probably spent some time on the practice squad for somebody to give me an opportunity. Hopefully I showed enough for the Broncos,

but I just made it because of special teams. Made it because of kickoff. Yeah. I was a wide receiver and I would go down there and light somebody's ass up but I didn't care. I threw cards into the way.

I'm making this team. But think about that. You had five games to do it and you were able to make it because of special teams. Now imagine them eliminating the offseason program and then having training camp

and then how do these individuals make the team now? With nothing to put on film. One preseason game, that's not enough. That's not nearly enough opportunities for an individual to say, like, oh, my goodness, look who this is standing out on film. Where you can make yourself where you become more than just a number. You need those games, man. You need the time to put your resume together. And those two, three games during the preseason,

it does wonders for players. And Ochoa was still in school. So a lot of guys, a lot of guys were out of school. And so they were in the off-season program. Man, I'm trying to get my degree, man. I wasn't dropping out of school, hell no. I'm too close now. So I didn't end up getting there until June, no. I'm too close now. Right, right.

So I didn't end up getting there until June. And so the OTAs were ending like the second week of June. So I really only got two weeks of OTAs before I had to leave and go do my own thing and then come back. But back then, and they still do it now sometimes, Ocho. We came in, the rookies and the first-year players, had to come in like three days before the vets got there. And so we padded up, we hitting even before the actual training camp in which the vets arrived. Oh, yeah. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company.

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we're going to do in training. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Pads. Pads. Pads. Nine on seven. One on one. Listen, the most we put on was shells. Remember the little shells? The little shells we had? Man, ain't nobody had them

things back then. See, back then. They had the shells? You have spider pads. You know the spider pads that you put on up under your shoulder pads? See, back then... They had a shell? You have spider pads. You know the spider pads that you put on up under your shoulder pads? Oh, yeah. The shock. But we didn't have shells like you. Ocho,

we had pads on Wednesday, Thursday, and we had pads on Friday with shorts. There wasn't no shell. What the hell are you talking about? Oh, no. Come on, now. I'm telling you. Hey, listen.

They ran y'all on the ground, man. When I tell people, people don't understand. Bro, 9-0-7 was really putting people down. 7-0-7. 7-0-7 was a third up. You ain't just catching no balls. Oh, let him catch it. Right, right, right, right.

Oh, man, please. It was a different time back then. Now, probably like the 49ers were the only team that the West Coast system, and you see how they do a lot of teams doing now, they were the only one doing that. And then as that tree started splintering, you got Mike Holmgren leaving. You got Steve Murray. You got other guys leaving. They brought and implemented that system. You got Mike Holmgren leaving. You got Steve Murray. You got other guys leaving.

They brought and implemented that system. You got Andy. Yeah. Okay. Mike Holmgren took a lot of those guys with him to Green Bay. He took Andy Reed. He took John Gruden, who took Steve Mariucci. And so as those guys started getting head coaching jobs,

they started implementing that West Coast system where you're only hitting about 10 times a week, and that's normally on Thursday. Everything else is in shells because you're practicing speed, not so much hitting. But oh, no, back in 90 to 92? You kidding me?

Boy, they got butter from a duck back then. Yes, sir. Yes, indeed. Oh, boy they bringing hey they got butter from a duck back then yes sir yes indeed oh y'all y'all better than me because i i had a few times like i had a few times and i obviously i can say it now some of the times when we would when we would have to have on pads on a wednesday practice i'd be out there in my shells. Because nobody was going to hit me anyway. Listen,

I wore a size small shoulder pads anyway. I wore very small shoulder pads just so I could be light. But I put my shells on. In New England? Belichick, you had to have thigh pads, knee pads. You know how in the locker room, the equipment room is and they have the

diagram the dress that's how you got to go to practice everybody everybody everybody knee pads shoulder pads everything

the way we practice Mike said the way you play Everybody. Thigh pads, knee pads, shoulder pads, everything. He didn't play. Mike, the way we practice, Mike said, the way you play the game, that's how I want you to come to practice. Well, me, Ed, a lot of us, the DBs, they have no thigh pads, no knee pads, no hip pads. So Mike said, that's the way you go in the game? Now, Dan Reeves like, okay, you ain't got to wear no thigh pads, but if you get a thigh bruise,

it's going to cost you about $5,000. Ooh! Oh, Joe. Hey, let me get that. You can put them in quick. But see, you got, your teammates got to be on your side, though. Your teammates got to be on your side and protecting you and saying, listen, we got pads on,

but if we're going to do anything, let's start it up. Let's start it up. Make sure you're in position to make the tackle as if it was a game simulated, but don't hit me for real. Don't hit me for real. But you, man, you know them thigh bruise. They freak, Ocho. Sometimes you just, you know, and y'all run together,

and his knee or cleat hits you. It hits you. Hold on. Have you ever, have you got a thigh bruise and it hard enough and stiffen up? And then they got to use that. Remember that? Is it called a grass? How do you call it?

I know you're talking about that. Oh my God. And it got a scrape. Get it loose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know what it's like.

Hey, but that pain. That shit hurt. Man. Hey, that was, it's like. Hey, boy, that pain? That shit hurt. Man, hey. It was different. I'm glad they changed it because bad. But just think, Ocho, that's how like in the 60s and the 70s, everybody was practicing like that. All the practices was Wednesday, Thursday, putting you on the ground.

Friday, you had on shoulder pads and helmets there was no shells we had on shoulder pads for the entire practice well somebody should have said something back then whoever the leader whoever the leader

of the Broncos was back then matter of fact his name is John Elway Elway should have said something man listen we want we want to be fresh on sunday quarterbacks normally wore their pads because they need to get used to throwing their pads for the most part oh yeah john always wore his pants even but uh even at least at least for like a part of practice and then he would take the pads off

oh they tell me take show the off. You had to tell me. You had to tell me, but what? I'm gone. Those were the days, Ocho. It was a different mentality play back then. That's what I'm saying. That's why you see these guys running across the middle and one-handed things

and taking selfies. You didn't do that back then. Bam, Mike Singletary. Oh, those guys. Oh, go across the middle. one handed and taking selfies. You didn't do that back then. Bam Mike Singletary. Oh, those guys. Oh, go across. You ain't go across there but once. Bet you wouldn't come back. And you don't think about it twice if you do got to go. What?

Boy. Next thing you know, you'll be looking through that. You're looking through your ear hole. Somebody that killed it buffalo bills ate more than 31 million dollars to trade star wide receiver stefan digs this offseason a record for a non-quarterback so why didn't the team wait until june 1st to deal days which have spread the financial impact between the seasons general manager brandon bean explained that buffalo prepared to get that albatross of dig's contract off the books rather sooner than later we decided to just go ahead and eat it out

now we think that we can compete and do what we need to do by eating it now because if we didn't we would have tried to come up with ways to split it up too many different ways it's just like that albatross hanging around our necks what's 25 look like what's 26 look like hey listen that's one thing about business they always looking ahead they're always looking ahead so obviously they want to get get themselves out of that contract but that's fine that's fine with the with now gabe davis going stefan dig going we have a a media darling in Keon Coleman that's there. But now, can Josh Allen do what Patrick Mahone did once they got rid of Tyreek and Tyreek came down to the Dolphins? We're going to see how great and how good Josh Allen is. But the fact that he does have Keon Coleman, I'm not sure the second receiver will be there. I know Keon Coleman is probably going to be the

number one. We're going to see how good you are. Because now you have to make up for the production that's not there on the outside because we don't know what Keon Coleman's going to be. He's probably going to be good. But now you have to make all the right decisions. You have to make all the right throws because you're not going to have that 14, 1,500-yard receiver that you can rely on 24-7 come hell or high water when it matters most. Now, I know he's had some drops, you know, in the playoffs or whatnot, but again,

still, he is a very, very, very good, to me, top five receiver in this NFL. I think the thing was going to, a lot of people saying, well, Josh Allen didn't take that step until he got Stephon Diggs. Oh, did you see the numbers

the numbers don't lie once digs got there oh boy hey listen they would got them like mark anthony and j-lo they was like tina marie and rick james very short lived that's what you're going with hey but listen while they was living it was good while they was living it was good yes it While they were living, it was good.

Yes, it was. Yeah, it's going to be very interesting to see how this thing pans out. We've seen what Patrick Mahomes did without Tyreek, who we believe is the most dangerous one of the top two. He's not going past two. No matter who your receivers are, Tyreek Hill's not going out of the top two for me. With that speed with his big play ability his ability

to run any route is he the best route runner no but he has the most speed of anybody that's running route so give me him yeah because he's the only guy that you throw him a five-yard route and he can hit his head on the goalpost every time you can take a five-yard right turn into an

eight-yard spectacular. The only person in the NFL when you have to take an angle, you run toward the end zone to cut the angle off. Yeah. If we both at the 50, I'm trying to intercept him at the 10. I'm trying. He running like this here. I'm running

like that. If he stop and cut back, he got me. But if he can't. Oh, yeah, he got you. Hey, that's. Yeah, it's. I like it, though. Listen, I love I love Josh, man.

The few times I've had the opportunity to meet him. I just I just like I like what he had with Diggs. I like what he had with Gabe Davis. The fact that they weren't able to get over the hump, it's unfortunate, but obviously you're paying Josh Allen the type of money he is making. Sometimes some of the pieces around you are going to change and it's up to you to be top three quarterback that we think you are or you're paid such as you got to show up whether you got rookies around you or not you have to make all the right decisions make all the right throws

and do do what patrick mahomes has done consistently you know the thing is is that like buffalo they go all in they don't win it and they got to break it down. You see they lose Poirier. They lose White, the corner. They lose other pieces. And you see my homeboy is like, you know what? Hey, I'm going to take a little less. Not too much.

I mean, he's probably taking probably $10 to $15 million per year less. But he's like, you know, he's probably making $10 to $15 million per year less. But he's probably making $20 million off the field. How much did he just get a check for? Did he just get a check the other day for like $30 million? Because I think they took a roster bonus.

I meant to send that to you, Ash. I think he just got a check. Because his 2025 salary is already guaranteed because he's on the roster. So they guarantee... What? His 25... So how much did he get that check they just sent him for like a month ago?

But him being on the roster in 2024 guarantees his 2025 salary. Right. So, and so, to keep that, so it ain't like, hey, Brad,

check this out, then what we gonna do? We gonna come give you that in the signing bonus. Okay. I'll take my 40 billion. Y'all go ahead and give me 39 of it right now.

Make it a little easier. No problem. But it's on Josh now. It's on Josh. It's very unfortunate because they finally had, they're like, we want Patrick Mahomes in our building in the playoffs.

The last two times, we had to go there, and it didn't end up well for us. Even Baltimore, we want them in our building. They stay. He a different cat now. He a different cat. He a different cat come playoff time. What you did to him in the regular season ain't going to have no bearing

on where this is going to happen in postseason. Yeah. And so it's – if you find it, let me know, Ash. Confidence isn't an issue for Steelers cornerback Joey Porter Jr. He entered the starting line of week seven and never lost his spot. Porter says, I'm always going to pick me over anybody else.

When asked who's the best cornerback in the league, there are a lot of good DBs in this league. Nobody was doing what I was doing against wide receiver ones this entire year, locking them down. I don't care if I mention in there or not because they're going to hear my name eventually. In 17 games,

11 start, the 2023 second round pick had 43 tackles, one point loss, one interception, 10 passes defense. He finished fifth in defensive rookie of the year.

Salt's Gardner, Pat Sertain, Jael Alexander, Denzel Ward. I like it. If you're going to talk, listen, if you're going to talk you got to walk it.

Ask your pops, Joey Porter, ask your pops how we used to go at it. Oh yeah, for sure. One of the greatest trash talkers of all time and Joey Porter, much respect to him.

But I like this. Yeah, for sure. You both have confidence in yourself. Put the league, listen, put the league on notice. This is what you got to do. Come out,

create you some bulletin board material. Now what you got to do, even though you're a stealer, I love league on notice. This is what you got to do. Come out, create you some bulletin board material. Now what you got to do, even though you're a stealer, I love you to death, you got to follow in the footsteps of some of the greatest that have come through there. Now, if you're going to talk like that, now you got to come and show up. Like somebody that I know that also, hey, Joy, I mean, Joy Porter Jr. We're at 24, don't we? I think so.

Yeah. Oh, there's a great 24 that gave me hell for a decade straight and Ike Taylor. A great one. So again, if you're going to talk,

baby, all you got to do is walk it. All you got to do is walk it. I like it. And you got to have that confidence. You have to.

Most of the time, most of the people don't say it. Most of the people don't let it be known publicly because once you let it be known publicly, now you have a target on your back. Oh, yeah, for sure. Now they're going to come at you. Now they're going to throw at you. Well, they're going to do that anyway. I love what you're doing. Yeah, they're going to do that anyway. But even more so now that you're coming out saying you feeling like you wanted the best

at what you do, you just got to go do it, man. You wearing that number 24 anyway. If you're anything, if you're going to be anything like Ike Taylor, boy, you on the right path. And that's what all due respect.

Oh, so what they did, Ocho, is that the 2024, March 24th, they restructured. They gave him $27 million in salary. It was converted into a signing bonus, and his base salary is only $8.6 million. So they could have... Yeah, that was a free up some cap space.

That's a little game they always play. You see the game how they play? When they want to create space, they know what to do. There's never an issue with money and paying players but there's always a way to manipulate the numbers and create space for who you want to because his latest contract so i'm trying to understand i'm trying to understand what they're waiting on with that i'm trying to understand what they're waiting on with tour i'm trying to understand your love're waiting on with Tua. I'm trying to understand what are we... And again, I'm trying to... What are we waiting on with Love?

What are we waiting on as far as Chase and T. Higgins is concerned? Now, they have to see how the books are going to look. We can't pay them Bovo, Joe. Yeah, you can't pay them Bovo. Now, if one of... If Higgins is willing to take like $22, $24 million, because Chase is going to want $30. He hasn't signed...

He hasn't signed that franchise tag yet either. Now, at what point do we say, or T, for that matter, does T say, you know what, I'm going to bet on myself this year, and God forbid, he's able to play a season

injury-free, and he hit the market? You know they can put the tag on him again right now that I don't know what you say I don't know what you talking about listen I don't do nothing like that now if I'm willing to bet on myself

and I'm willing to stay and play on the tag at 21 now you need to let me go listen the Chiefs organization I salute them for what they did with LeJarius Sneed understanding his value and allowing him to go get what he deserves

real say if I give you 10 year good years you should be able to let me walk with all my money ah yeah oh yeah oh you real say if I give you 10 great years you should let me work with all my money. Hey, did you hear me? Did you hear what you just said?

Real gave me 10 great years and she should be able to walk with all her money. But if you walk with all your money, them 10 years of lifestyle that you provided to me and allowed me to be able to live. Oh, I'm I'm I'm leaving with something. So that's what they said. Hey, I'm leaving here with something. Do it again. And then, if they could be nasty, they could put two years of the franchise and then a year of the transition tag on. But listen,

knowing Mr. Brown, knowing Katie, knowing Troy... They cheat. They cheat. They're not cheating. Don't do that Now you know we spinning Now you better look at What we paid them

Our office Look what we paid Burrow Don't do that We not cheat That narrative needs to be Gone and erased Because we We spinning that bag

Are y'all still practicing Under the interstate No we have Do y'all practice Outside under the interstate Yes or no We have a bubble now So y'all don't practice Outside interstate? Yes or no? We have a bubble now. So y'all don't practice outside anymore?

We have an indoor facility. No. Well, when the sun is out, but when it's snowing and it was raining, we have an indoor facility. When the sun is out, where do you guys practice? Can I park my car on the overpass and watch the Bengals practice? Yes or no? No. Yes, I can.

Yes, I can. That's a ticket. That's a ticket. No, you can I can that's a ticket can I park my car on the overpass and watch I just want to know yes or no I've never seen that happen before I did cause I did it yeah who you was spying on

nobody I just happened to be watching you know it got me a nice view well it's funny who you're spying on? Nobody. I just happen to be I just happen to be watching, you know. It got me a nice view. Well, it's funny. Y'all just started getting pizzas on Friday. Pizza? We don't eat pizza there.

On Fridays. Gold Star Chili. Gold Star Chili. Oh. We, hey, you know what? We eat Funnel Cake Island. Yeah, we got funnel cakes. Ugh. Yeah, funnel. Now, you don we eat funnel cake island yeah we got funnel cakes yeah funnel

nah you don't eat funnel cakes but listen anybody in the chat that's in Cincinnati I'ma tell you about funnel cake island now I forgot I've got the street is on

my homeboy on it y'all gotta check it out funnel cake island really really good really really good if you ever in Cincinnati you gotta go try it. I got a Mikey on my team.

Her name is Ash. So anytime we go somewhere, we don't know what it is. We just slide into Ash. Ash is our official Mikey. She going to try it? Ash don't like Funnel Cake. I know it's bad. What?

Ash is our official Mikey. Hold on. Wait, she don't like Funnel Cake I know it's bad. What? Ash is our official Mikey. Hold on. Wait, she don't like funnel cake for real? No, and Ash likes everything. Or she at least tried. That's one thing about Ash. She's like, don't knock it until you try it. I was like, no, I'm going to knock it.

I'm going to knock it over if you put it in front of me. So that's the thing. I'm assuming she's had a bad experience. So she went somewhere where the funnel cakes weren't good. Now, if you're ever in Cincinnati for whatever reason... Oh, the fair funnel cakes. Oh, that's trash. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Listen, they don't make no funnel cakes like Young Bull out there in Cincinnati make these funnel cakes. I'm telling you, man. All type of toppings, all type of just crazy strawberry Oreo, like all type of crazy stuff. Listen to me. Funnel Cake Island in Cincinnati. I can't remember what street it's on, but it's in the same plaza as a restaurant called Hook's.

That's all I knew. I don't know the cross streets, but if you're from Cincinnati and you're in the chat, you know exactly what I'm talking about. But hey, tell Ash, Ash, Ash, you got to try this funnel cake. And if I'm wrong, if I'm lying, I'm lying. We need to go to the Texas State Fair. That's where I ate it. I know. Texas.

I've had it at a fair. Yeah, I've eaten it at a fair, but not the Texas State Fair, where they fry Oreos, Snickers, butter. They fry everything. Yeah. What you know where they fry Oreos, Snickers, butter. They fry everything. Yeah. What you know about elephant ears? You know about elephant ears? The flower? Or the plant?

Oh. No, no, no. Not a real elephant ear. No, they're the flowers or the plant called elephant ears. No, no. I'm talking about like it's like similar

to a funnel cake a little bit but it's made a little different. At the Dade County Youth Fair all I care about is going to get that corn in the cob. I care about the shish kebab. I care about elephant ears. I don't like shish kebabs.

No! Oh, come on! What you doing? What you talking about? I don't like the peppers, and I don't like that. I don't like it. No? Oh, you missing out on the finer things. If you don't like shish ke? Oh, you missing out on the final thing.

If you don't like shish kebab, come on, man. We gonna go to Texas State Fair. Texas State Fair? When is that? It's during the October. It's like Oklahoma-Texas, right? That's the Oklahoma-Texas game. We need to go and eat. Man, I'm gonna take

me some Maylocks because I know my stomach is going to beat. Yeah, I'm ready. I got some cowboy boots too. I ain't had a chance to wear two. Yeah. Nah. You ain't got no cowboy. How the hell

you got cowboy boots in Florida? Hello? I'm a bull rider. You forgot? I still practice. I ride horses on the weekend out here. Tell her. No. Come on now. You know I ride horses. I know you've seen

the many clips of me riding horses going fast as hell, doing tricks and all that crazy stuff. I didn't see that. Ash, can you please pull up videos for me riding and me riding horses i am a professional bull rider you're not no professional this guy you do someone doesn't make you a professional that's all it takes because i was on the professional circuit when i did it if you paint a picture does that make you an artist? Yeah. Who, me?

Yeah, because I get to set the value on how much is worth. First of all. Now, if I can get anybody to buy it, that makes me a professional. Shit. That's what everybody else do. Okay. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi.

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