Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Aaron Rodgers in primetime, should Ryan Garcia be banned?

Episode Date: May 26, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Jets QB Aaron Rodgers saying that people are lining up to see him play, whether or not Ryan Garcia should be banned from boxing & much much more!02:49 - ESPN Ranking best situations07:35 - Aaron Rodgers and Jets20:30 - Titans best WR group25:25 - Devin Haney Father wants Ryan Garcia Banned55:05 - Q and Ayyyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Jameis Winston. He inherited Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Austin Serafin Jenkins, Doug Martin, Bobby Rainey, Charles Sims. Number four was Eli Manning. He inherited Imani Toomer, Ike Hilliard, Jeremy Shockey, Tiki Barber. Number three,

Joe Burrow. He inherited A.J. Green, T. Higgins, Tyler Boyd, Drew Sampley, tight end, Joe Mixon, Giovanni Bernard. Number two was Matthew Stafford. He inherited Megatron, Calvin Johnson, Bryant Johnson, Dennis Norcutt, Derek Williams, tight end with Brandon Pettigrew. Running backs was Kevin Smith and Maurice Morris. And number one is Caleb Williams williams dj moore

keenan allen roma dunze uh cole commit gerald everett deandre swift and khalil herbert you like that you think yeah you think dj is in the best situation dj i mean excuse me caleb williams oh yeah most definitely. It all comes down to, if you think about it, if you look at all, you look at the receiving core and the running backs, James Winston, Eli Manning, Joe Burrow, Matthew Stafford, look at the players that they had. Caleb Williams is in a great situation.

And I've said it, and I'll continue to say it over and over and over. A quarterback is only as good as a supporting cast. And the supporting cast that Caleb Williams has coming into this season is phenomenal. DJ Moore, Keenan Allen. Hold on, I'm missing, I forgot. Roma Dunze.

Huh? Rome, Roma Dunze. Oh yeah, Roma. I didn't want to say it wrong. I hate disrespecting people's names like that. Rome, let me just say Rome. Listen, they set. They set.

Now I wish, what I wish could have happened is I wish the Bears would have had this situation for other quarterbacks in the past and always had them set up this way to where there wouldn't be any issues if they always had a supporting cast around them. I know, obviously, with timing, it's a little difficult to always have a superstar cast like this, but this one right here, there are no excuses. Zero. Zero. Yeah.

Speaking of Caleb Williams, DJ Moore spoke about the transition from Fields to Williams. Moore said, business is business. I've seen it coming. So at the end of the day, he was the quarterback last year. Now we got Caleb. We're going to ride through a hell and back with him. So I'm just looking forward to seeing what he put out

there. It's cold business. Hey, Ocho. It's hard, but it's fair. It's sad, but it's true. He's on the team. He's saying, I saw it coming yeah people get upset at me when i said oh if i'm the best i'm trading him i'm not you're not gonna pass up two number one overall

quarterback back-to-back years yeah because how you get in that position if your quarterback was what you thought he was you're not gonna be in that position in back-to-back years. So I say they're going to move on. They're going to take this kid because of everything what they're saying. I say, I don't know what he's going to be. But the reports are he's a generational quarterback. They're not passing him up. They're not.

And I understand you build relationships, but you do at the end of the day, you know, hey, they can still be friends. We're just not going to be teammates. Yeah. And I understand you build relationships, but you do at the end of the day, you know, Hey, they can still be friends. Right. We just not going to be teammates. Yeah.

We got to be teammates. Yeah. It's the nature of the business. It is. It's the nature of the business. You understand it. Oh yeah. You better understand it.

You better be able to separate the two. That's in NFL, the NBA, no matter what you play. Hell, even in the corporate goddamn world, there are politics, politics, and all that we do. It sucks, but it's what it is. It is. You just deal with it. I wish Justin Fields the best.

I still think that he has the ability to be really good in this league. Oh yeah, most definitely. It's all about being in the right situation. Being in the right situation and having that situation, the people that are the owners and the coaches, having them believe in you and believe you're the right one for the job, it makes things a lot more easier makes everything much easier now that's the hard part finding the situation that fits you and having the people in that situation believe in you invest in you and then build around you that's the goddamn hard part yeah it's tough oh joe the jets once again

have a scheduled jam pack withed with primetime contests. Six of them in their first 11 weeks. And Aaron Rodgers says he knows why. We're a must-watch TV. That's pretty obvious. Everyone knows that. Whether you love me or you hate me, people want to see me play. That's true.

Those are facts. Hell, last year when he was there there they wanted to see him play too it's Aaron Rodgers he's must see tv whether you like him or not whether you like some of the things that he says on podcasts we like some of the things he says about covid and then all the other you know outlandish stuff that he said I mean listen some people it's gotten to a point where it's almost like with Floyd. People were tuning in to see Floyd lose. It got to that point. So now, people

are tuning in, whether you like Aaron or not, they're tuning in to see him lose. I want to hear them same politicians that told LeBron and told all them other black players. Shut up and dribble. That's all I want to do. I want them to tell Aaron Rodgers

and the kid that in Kansas City, I want them to tell him to shut up and play football. Stay out of politics. Oh, my bad. Let's not even go to that old joke. We ain't going to do that old joke, but we know. They know. They ain't going to tell him that.

Now, you know better than that. Why not? I'm just saying. Yeah, but what he talking about is... He's right. He's right about that, though. He's right. He's right. He's definitely right.

He's definitely right. Everybody tune in to see him. Man, I think I took... Man, I must have had some pork chops today I'm greasy like a mug but see that's why that skin looks so good cause I got oily skin

that's why that skin look like that cause you know that little good black don't crack you don't look greasy on my end yeah I'm greasy boy this thing here how you can tell see that's oil what's that they take's oil. What's that?

What's that? What's them little... Those are masks. They take the oil out of your skin. Oh, I need to get me something. Where you get them from? Walgreens? Uh, Sephora? Or, uh, what's the other place? Ulta. Ulta. Yeah.

You know, how you going Ulta, you might catch you a straggler. You know what I'm saying? No joke. No, I don't. Wait, a straggler? What that mean? They chat the whole deal. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, man.

Hey, man, you don't know. I don't know nothing about that, man. You don't know nothing about that? Okay, okay. I don't know nothing about that. Yeah, you ever hear that? I keep that between me and this old solo cup yeah yeah y'all you in the chat

you in the chat that's on y'all man hey shout out before we go on to the next shout out to Madar Rico man Rico Middlebrooks out there in Cincinnati

boy happy birthday boy yeah well I you about what about 48 now you about 48 still a version

that's my home boy he's still a version you know I've known him about 20 plus years. Enjoy your evening. Enjoy your night. At some point, at some point, you got to get laid, homie.

At some point, you got to get laid. And it is what it is. Hey, where I can get one of them hats at? UK. Hey, why you ain't send me one? Huh? You want one? Huh? You want one of these? Yeah.

I ain't know you wanted one. Well, I'm a part of Nightcap, so I think you should have... If you're going to show merchandise or merch, especially hats, T-shirts, or hoodies, why not send them to your counterpart? We a team, like Starsky and Hutch. Oh, man. Ojo, you want one like this?

Hey! Come on, man. I ain't know you wanted one like this, Ojo. Man, senior boy one, man. Don't do me like that, Hustle, man. Hey, take this out. What y'all think I should do? Should I send Ocho one or should I

have a little drawing and have y'all win one? Don't have no drawing because I'm going to wear mine in public. Chatting away in public. How you going to wear it in public? I got it right here. I'll tell you what I'm going to say. You know what?

Okay, paper, rock, scissors real quick. Paper, rock, scissors for the hat. Paper, rock, scissors for the hat. Ocho. Rock, paper, scissors for the hat. Ocho. You get the big hat. You get the fun coat. And you get...

My synopsis? Synopsis. Yeah. If I do what? For the webby. Oh, no. You ain't getting that webby. That ain't happening.

That ain't happening. That ain't happening. Matter of fact, hold on. Hey, hey. Hey! Kennedy! Hey! Kennedy! Huh?

Nightcap mug. Oh, I need my mug. Hey, Unc, you got everything. Kennedy! You got everything. Kennedy. I know my baby hear me, man. Hold on, man. Let me see what my kid's doing. Hold on.

I'm home by myself, huh? Oh, okay. Baby. Chad, what y'all think I should do? Send Ocho one, or I can autograph it and then some lucky person can win it.

What y'all thinking? I think nice. Man, look at that. They look real nice. Hmm. I think man look at that they look real nice yeah guys all the the nightcap merch is pinned in the chat so you should be able to just click on it and it'll take you right to it Guys, all the Nightcap merch is pinned in the chat. So you should be able to just click on it and it'll take you right to it.

So let's put up a poll, Ash. Do I send Ocho one or do I autograph it for a chance to have one of our loyal, lucky fans win it. Along with a coffee mug. So, even swap ain't no swindle. Hey, it's one thing about it, boy. I ain't never won no Lombardi trophy. And I ain't won much in life. But I won this goddamn Webby and it ain't leaving here. It ain't leaving this no Lombardi trophy and I ain't won much in life. But I won this goddamn Webby and it ain't leaving here.

It ain't leaving this house. Okay, well, unfortunately, Ocho, the chat said they think I should, yours, I should autograph it and send it to them. So I'm going to put Shannon Sharp, HOF 11, and some lucky person's going to win,

one of our loyal followers is going to win it. You know what? I don't... Do you know what? That's fine. I'm going to hold this webby deal to my heart.

I need you to sign this, so I'm going to get you to sign this. Hey, that ain't happening. Hey, I need my Funko, because I got to have something to show my kids now. I got to have something to show my kids.

Ocho, I need you to sign this. I'm going to give you a silver sharpie so you can sign this. And some lucky person is going to win a nightcap, big hat, Ocho's Funko, and a coffee mug. That ain't going to work.

What do you mean it ain't going to work? We got to come to a happy medium. We got to come to some type of happy medium, some type of common ground, because you have all the good stuff. Like, I don't get nothing. You got it. You got the webby.

Yeah, I had to take this. I had to take it, because I'm not going to wait on nobody to mail me nothing. I ain't even got it. Huh? I ain't even got it. I know, because if I let you get it, then I wouldn't take it because I'm not going to wait on nobody to mail me nothing. I ain't even got it. Huh? I ain't even got it. I know, because if I let you get it, then I wouldn't have it then.

Hey, I ain't got nothing. Hold on. I got to work on my acceptance speech. I got to. First off, I'd like to give an honor and thanks to God for making this possible. Without him, this wouldn't be able to be done. I'd like to thank Unk for the opportunity, his team,

my team, and it's only up from here. I fucking love y'all. Thank you. Yeah! I gotta work on that. I gotta rewrite it a little bit more, but that's it. I need that hat, though.

Hey, I need my phone. Hell, I need every goddamn thing. Oh, Joe. Man, you be... Do that for your boy, man. Do that for your boy. Send me your hat send me my phone code

let me get my synopsis award you know what Ocho what happened I think what's that that's my hall of fame bus hey I'ma get me one made too.

I'm going to get one of them made. But I'm going to do, hey, listen, I'm going to make me, I'm going to get me a bus made. What's that like? Bronze? No, no, no, no.

This is made of wood. Of wood? I'm going to get one made of 14 karat gold. That's what I want for Christmas. So Ocho, so I mean, he needs something on his head, so unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to send you yours.

Hey, where you got them big hats like that from? Ocho! Somebody said, they say they didn't have your address. I said, send it to me. I'll make sure he get it. Everybody got my address. My address is

public knowledge. Well, me, I'll make sure he get it. Everybody got my address. My address is public knowledge. Well... Hey. They told me they didn't have your address. Who is they? The people that make these hats. All they got to do is go on to Yellow Pages. My address still there? Don't nobody got no phone books

no more. Yellow Pages is on the phone. Yellow Pages is on the phone. Anybody got a phone, you type in somebody's number and you can get their address. People like, who is this?

That's me. That ain't you. That's my Hall of Fame bus. See the part? That ain't you. Hey, you know what? That's what I want for Christmas.

What? That's what I want for Christmas. I want a bus, but 14 carry gold. Man, please. Let me tell you. I'm screaming for the kids. Man, they sleep. Real, real, real out

having a good time. Enjoy Memorial Weekend. Yeah. Real, real, real out having a good time. Yeah, I don't blame them. And enjoy Memorial Weekend. See? Yeah, you know what? I should have been out. We should have went to Vegas, Ocho. Nah, nah, nah.

I don't like being out past 9 o'clock. I'm not. We should have went to Vegas, Ocho. And done what? I don't club. I don't go out. What are we going to do? Pool party.

Oh, no. I ain't getting my. What are we going to do? Pool party. Oh, no. I ain't getting my hair wet? That's what I'm saying. You know, I'll put on them satchi trunks I got. You know what I'm saying, boy? Yeah. I go in all that, put that baby all

that, all of it. Okay. So what you do is that you put a little baby all on you, that all over. Okay. I can't, I can't. You know, so what you do is that you put a little baby all over you and then you, uh, put the water on you. So you have to beat up. And then you put another layer on you. Okay. I'll be on that thing shining like black diamonds.

Hey, I just, I can't, I can't do no pool stuff, man. I just. Man, I ain't been to no pool. I'm trying to think. I don't think I've been to a, have I ever been to a pool party I ever been to a pool party? A pool party? I got a pool and don't even go in that. I got a pool

and I ain't stepped one foot in it in seven years. We just saying, them kids be in the pool. I just, I don't know. My dog be in the pool more than I have. I'm not getting no water until I get my opportunity to swim with killer whales than I have. I'm not getting in no water until I get my opportunity to swim with killer whales in a while.

Now that, then I'm getting in. Now I can swim like a fish. I can swim like a fish. Growing up, being at the pool, Charles Hadley Park, every summer,

swimming lessons, diving lessons, doing all that stuff. It's just not, I have no urge to get in the water. You know. You know. Blue diamond, black diamond, you know.

D-Hop says the Titans have one of the best wide receivers group. You got damn right they do on paper. You got damn right on paper. He said the Titans front office has done a tremendous job adding weaponry to the second year. Will Levis, Tennessee signed Tony Pollard to replace

Derrick Henry. Stole wide receiver Calvin Ridley from away from rival Jags. Four years, 92 million. Signed former Bengals top slot Tyler Boyd. Tyler Boyd. Yep. Dee Hopkins, who's bullish on the new group. I think we've done, have one of the best wide receiver groups, and I think we have a chance to play with on paper.

Obviously, it comes up here to say a bunch, but we haven't played a game yet, so we'll see how it goes once we hit the field. Yeah. Hey, I love it. I love it. We talking about Dee Hopkins. Oh, man, we know Dee Hopkins.

Dee Hopkins, man, one of the best receivers to ever play this game. We talk about D-Hop. Oh, man. We know D-Hop. D-Hop, man, one of the best receivers to ever play this game. Real talk. At one point and even still. He's going to go get it done. Yeah, most definitely. Man, young boy don't drop nothing, boy. Nothing, nigga.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My bad. My bad. I forgot where I was at. My bad. See, I got real excited. We talk about receivers.

Man, D-Hop, one of the best to ever play the game. See, I got real excited. We talking about receivers. Man, D-Hop, one of the best to ever play the game. Man, you done hit that Paul Pierce on him. Huh? I said, you hit that Paul Pierce on him. I'm sorry about that. My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad. Hey, listen. Some of the best hands ever outside of Chris Carter and Larry Fitzgerald.

I think D-Hop might be right there in that realm with some of the best ever. Calvin Ridley, boy. Rock runner extraordinaire. A Routt runner extraordinaire, man. But all Alabama receivers can run Routts, though, Joe. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Look at Judy. Look at Mari Cooper.

Mari Cooper. Look at Ridley. Even Julio Porzo. Big as he was could sit it down. He could run them. He could run some Routts. But listen, and I say it again. This is why I've always been saying that Will Levis will have a good season

because I tell you, a quarterback is only good at supporting cast. And look at the supporting cast that he has to distribute with. Hey, they're going to be nasty. Now, I like Tony Pollard, but I think they need another change of pace back. A big boy. They need a big boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's more of a third down. Dallas found out the hard way they thought it was just him no zeke had

them beat solving the defense up so paula could hit those creases yes you saw that when you try to run him he's not that's not what he is yeah i like paula though i like paula man he's nice he's nice uh are we gonna show it Are we going to show it? Okay, we're going to show this. Alyssa Thomas got ejected for slamming Angel Reese to the ground on a rebound. Look at this, Ocho. Oh, oh, hey, hey, hey. Oh, no.

There we go. You can't do my dog like that. You can't do Bayou Barbie like that, man. Why did she do that? What happened before this in the game that we didn't see for her to want to do that? What do you think? I don't know. I mean, she probably was like trying to—

Maybe she didn't realize that Angel had already left her feet. And, you know, you're trying to make sure she don't get in and grab the rebound. And she's up a little high. So she's around the neck. So I'm not surprised that she got ejected. You don't even help her up. You didn't show any type of any type of remorse, you know, so that I don't want to say it was done on purpose. I don't want to say that because I think something happened prior to that, you know, throughout the game.

Something had to happen. This is what Angel Reese said after the game. They don't give a damn if I'm a rookie. They're not supposed to be nice to me. Thank you, A.T., for sending a message to me because I got back up and kept going. Yeah, I like that. I like that. I like that. You better that. I like that.

You better understand where Angel Reese from. She ain't got no problem with that. Oh, that's how we doing? Oh, that's what we doing? Oh, you on that? Okay, bet. That's all that meant. You got to be able to read between the lines. Media ain't going to understand what she just said. I know what she just said.

She say, she say. Oh, that's what we on? Okay, bet. And she in Chicago too? I don't know what. So Angel Reese, I wonder. Man, she O-block. Nah, she 63rd. She one of them.

She one of them. I'm trying to see. See some scores right quick. I'm going to the game. I'm ready to go to the game. I'm going to see see some scores right quick. I'm going to the game. I'm ready to go to the game. I'm going to a Chicago game. I'm going to a Las Vegas Aces game.

They end up winning the game. They won the game? No, the Connecticut Suns won. 86-82. They won. They didn't. But hey, she got up. Great thing.

She's okay. She played through it. She's very tough. Devin Haney's father says Ryan Garcia should be banned from the sport. Bill Haney, who served as his son's Devin's coach, wants Ryan Garcia out of the sport of boxing forever. He told TMZ Sports he believes the starfighter bluntly drug test

should lead to a lifetime ban. Garcia's B sample came back positive for Osterin, a banned substance. After his A sample previously tested positive for the same PED weeks prior. What you think Ocho? What's the punishment?

Man, this God, this is a tough one, huh? This is a tough one. This is a tough one. I watched the fight. Everybody else in the world watched the fight. I think if you take away...

You're not supposed to cheat in anything that you do. Let me start there. You're not supposed to cheat in anything that you do let me start there you're not supposed to cheat in anything that you do it's frowned upon especially in boxing in any sport for that matter but even more in boxing it gives you a competitive advantage it gives you a competitive edge yes the fight that i saw and i mean this with all respect because i love devon i love love bill i love all fighters i've shown nothing but tremendous amount of respect to any and And I mean this with all respect because I love Devin. I love Bill.

I love all fighters. I've shown nothing but tremendous amount of respect to any and everybody in combat sports. The fight that I saw, whether Ryan had took something or not, Ryan wins that fight that night. We don't know that. How can we say that he got in the system? I mean, it's like a track and field.

The fight that I saw that night, from a skill perspective in that ring, the quickness, the ability to hit him at will when he wanted to. So can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. Do you believe Lance Armstrong win those seven Tour de France without that in the system? Uh, oh, probably, probably not. Maybe.

How can you say? He got in the system. Okay, how about this? So, if, why not say we want to So, if... Why not say we want to ban Ryan Garcia? Why not say, let's have a rematch then? Let's do it clean.

Let's do it clean. Let's do it clean. If you truly believe that he was dirty and that being dirty was the reason why Devin lost, how about say, you know what?

Let's rematch and make sure he's clean and let's see what happens. in dirty was the reason why Devin lost. How about I say, you know what? Let's rematch and make sure he's clean and let's see what happens. Why has that not been said? Ocho, but here's the thing. He didn't make 140 to begin with. So what are we going to have the rematch at? He didn't make 140. Devin fights at 140.

Now, do you want to go up to 147? I don't know. But now you start getting in Shakur, you start getting in Bud territory. Is that what you want? No, you don't want that. So I'm saying, I agree. I'm surprised. I don't know why Devin Haney didn't have it in his contract that he automatically get a rematch.

You saw what Fury had in his contract. Most champions automatically put a rematch clause in their contract just in case. They don't expect to lose, but just in case, I don't want you trying to make me wait a year or two before I get a rematch. So it's normally a clause in all contracts.

So why Devin Haney, Bill Haney's Devin's father, or his promoter, his manager, whoever handles this, why they didn't put that in his contract when that's normally standard? Yeah. I don't know.

But I agree with what you're saying. I'm not saying that he doesn't, he should say, well, let's do a rematch. Yeah. And demand that he makes 140. Yeah. And if he doesn't make 140,

the price is off. That's what I would do. That's what I would do. That's what I would do. I think, I don't know the history of boxing as far as it comes to cases like this of the Osteren or steroids or any performing enhancing drugs

that have been taken. Has anybody else just been banned from the sport of boxing because of that? I don't know about banned, but probably suspended. I don't know. Okay, people have had suspensions but

listen I think Devin should get have the the one or the loss expunged and I think they should do a rematch and it's fair that's what I think

but again based on what I saw that night it's it's fair. That's what I think. But again, based on what I saw that night, it's tough. But here's the thing. Here's why I push back. People say, well, he didn't have enough in his system. How do you know? I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When was the last time you took something when you knew it wasn't going to give you no advantage? So who takes an aspirin saying like, you know what, it ain't going to do, it's not going to help me anyway. So I'm going to take it, but I know it's not going to help me. Who does that? Who takes Tyl aspirin saying like, you know what? It ain't going to do. It's not going to help me anyway. So I'm going to take it. But I know it's not going to help me. Who does that? Who takes Tylenol? Who takes lactate?

Who takes medicine saying I'm going to take it, but I know it's not going to help me in any shape or form, but I'm going to take it anyway. He put that in the system. How it got there, we don't know. Could it have been cross contamination? Sure, it could have been. we don't know. Could it have been cross-contamination? Sure it could have been. We don't know. But I'm saying for it to be in this system, we can't say each person is different.

Yeah, that's tough, bro. I'm not necessarily saying I don't, but I can say at 140, let's just say for the sake of argument, we get a rematch, Ocho, and the weight is 140. I don't believe Devin Haney wants to go to 147

he says 140 what do you think the likelihood that he's going to be able to make Garcia's going to be able to make 140 if he took it serious and stopped bullshitting he can make it if he took it serious if he took it serious and stopped bullshitting

he can make it if you can get the 143 you can lose another 3 pounds but I'm like but you know hey I don't know if you ever lost weight oh yeah

them last them last three yeah it's hard that thing pulling your guts out I know it is but when I think about it when I think about some of the boxers

if people actually understood and knew what they walk around at that's what I'm saying I think they should be able to do it but see here's the thing

Ryan Garcia is probably walking around at he's probably walking around at 170 165, 170 remember you and I talked about it the reason why Floyd and this is not the only reason but Floyd is not a naturally big man

so making 147 for Floyd was nothing because he walked around at 150 he's walking around 150, 155 tops so he goes to camp for 8 weeks cleans up his diet so now all of a sudden he probably don't eat any desserts

or anything like that he's going to make that weight with no problem even when he fought don't eat any desserts or anything like that. He's going to make that weight with no problem. Even when he fought at 154, he's coming in like 153, 152. So he's not a naturally big man. These guys come and dropping down to 147, they probably walk around 165, 170. Man, hey. The first 10 might be easy, Ocho.

That is that last 10. and then you get down that last five that last two yeah it's crazy it's crazy i just i mean it's messed up though man it's messed up i understand what bill is coming from um i understand what devon is coming from and it's it's it's a it's it's bad for the sport. Yeah. You want to, Devin did it the right way. He went through camp the right way. He trained the right way. And I mean,

the cheating is bad. I mean, it's bad. But just the fight I saw, man, it just. Yeah. It's tough, man. It's tough. I know it's nothing wrong

with my eyes but I would ask for a rematch I would ask for a rematch at 140 or whatever it may be make sure he's clean and if Ryan agrees and have testing throughout the camp leading up to the fight

to make sure he's clean hey you see what you're calling? Because Floyd was suspected that Pacquiao might have been stuffed. What did they do? Mandatory blood test throughout the fight. Right. And so my thing, I agree with you, Ocho. I don't think Ryan Garcia should be banned

because I don't think there's a history, there is a pattern of behavior that would warrant such a harsh punishment. Now, if this was his third time, oh yeah, he got to go. But this is a one-time thing. I don't think, like I said,

I don't know. I haven't read or seen anything that says that Ryan Garcia has had multiple allegations of performance enhancing drugs in his system. This is the first time that I've read or seen anything, so I don't think a one-time is a

lifetime ban. But you're absolutely right. Obviously, this is going to probably be in a no contest. And if Ryan takes it serious and gets down all the antics and the stuff, I get trying to sell a fight.

But... He won't need to. He won't need to do all this. He won't need to do all that again. If a rematch is given, he won't need to make any jokes, no antics, because everybody is going to be tuned in again. Everybody will be tuned in.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, look, he's a good fighter. And we want good fights. We want to see, you know, I think that's why people love the UFC. Because Dana don't let anybody duck anybody. The best fighters are going to fight each other. And, you know,

in a situation like that, it's hard. You're not going to see what you know we had a conversation and what John Jones has been able to do but it's tough it's tough but like I said I think because Ryan is such a big guy walks around

natural yes sir he probably walk around 170 maybe 175 Ocho to cut 40 pounds yeah in eight weeks 10 weeks but that's a lot of weight normally people take take you will cut that much weight take six months a year yeah but it's what they do though huh you know it's what they signed up for so they're used to it especially when you've been doing it for so long so they have a great understanding of the method behind the madness on how to lose it

throughout a camp. But here's the thing. As you get older, it gets harder. Harder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. They young now.

He got the old man weight on him. You know what I'm saying? You start getting older and older, it gets harder and harder. But guess what? You start getting up heavier and heavier. So now he normally

would walk around to stay within striking distance he walks around at 170 now all of a sudden it goes to 175 now all of a sudden it goes to 180 right so now instead of having to take down 25 you got to take down 35 right i have a question with you what's up you know when we talk about the steroid stuff and and i think about the performance that that dave devinid stuff and I think about the performance that Devin Haney had, I think about the performance of Ryan Garcia the night of the fight. And we say, well, are there the chance that maybe if Ryan Garcia wasn't on what he was on, Devin Haney would have won the fight or he might have had a better chance to win the fight? So I also had this question. And I'm going to take baseball, for instance.

Yeah. had this question if if um and i'm gonna take baseball for instance yeah does mark mcguire does sammy sosa do barry bonds and those individuals that have said they've taken something if you if you take away um steroids that they might have taken does that mean they don't hit home runs anymore? Does that mean they're not as... I'm not sure how to say it or how to put it into words, but I'm saying, does that change the dynamic of who they are as home run hitters and sluggers? But prior to that, steroids were illegal in baseball. Okay, I understand.

But I'm trying to go with a performance perspective. It's different, Ocho, because it's hand-eye coordination. And it doesn't help that. And you look, see, you look at those guys

and you look at Bonds. Bonds won three MVPs and he was 185. He won four or five Silver Slug Awards. And you look at Bonds. Bonds won three MVPs. And he was 185. He won four or five Silver Slug Awards. And he said, I mean, they looking around and like, well, hey, oh, y'all loving this, huh? Y'all loving some average guys hitting the ball out of the park, winning MVPs. Is that what you love? You love average guys doing that?

Okay, let me show you. Let me show you. Now, all of a sudden, he become Ruthian. Now, he said he didn't take it. He never tested positive. His guy, the guy that they tried to pitch, Anderson, he went and sent that thing down on Club Man.

He said, I ain't rat-diming my guy. He said, if y'all got something on him, y'all got something on him. Look, people didn't like Bonds. They didn't. And, you know, I know people that's been around him say he can be a jerk. But there's a difference if we like you as opposed to if we don't. Because Mara McGuire, I didn't get the chronic criticism that Barry Bonds got. No?

Hell no! The man coaching. The man was a hitting coach. They didn't let Barry Bonds, they barely let Barry back in the damn stadium. I just, man, I don't know. And here's the thing, Ocho. In combat sports, you could kill somebody.

People have actually been killed in the boxing ring. Yeah, most definitely. That's why you don't play boxing. So it's a whole different ball game from hitting a baseball with someone's life. I was comparing the performance enhancing part of it. Does it mean, if you take it away, does that change the fact that these individuals

wouldn't hit home runs? Or if you take, if Ryan doesn't take the R-strand or whatever it is, does that mean he doesn't win the fight? Does it really give you that much of an advantage? That's all I'm asking. Ocho, you got to think about it.

In the 100 plus year history, I think the Cincinnati Red Stock is where the first, they started playing baseball in like the 1870s, late 1870s. Prior to what they did in 1998, there have been two guys

in the history of the game hit 60 home runs. Two. Babe Ruth had 60. Roger Maris hit 61. I think Sammy Sosa now has three or four 60 home run seasons.

Barnes has a 73. Mark McGuire has a 70. Sammy Sosa has how many 60 home 60 home runs? He has at least three, maybe four. When you had in the 120 year history, 120 year history, you only had

two. Now, if you think about it, look at football. Ain't no records being brought. Now, if somebody all of a sudden jump out there and rush for 2,500 yards, Ocho, I need to talk to somebody. All of a sudden, the receiver go for 2,200 yards, Ocho. You ain't going to ask no questions.

2,200? Yeah, you see? You see what you did? 2,200? Yeah, exactly. Wait, listen. With the added on games it's all possible that's right now let's see you know what's funny yeah i i they they tested me

and i ain't take nothing i mean well i did take stuff then you know it was kind of an enhancer for me when i played yeah You heard of GDM? Yeah. What is GDM? Oh, hold on. You're not talking about... Oh, I was thinking you were talking about... No, I was thinking GDM. No bullshit. They couldn't

test it because the GDM I was taking was ahead of the testing curve. Yeah, you know what GDM stands for? What does it stand for, Joe? Goddamn McDonald's. They hadn't heard of no curve.

And then Sammy Sosa not only took Roy the man had a cork bat a who? a cork bat man I don't know what that means what's a cork bat?

his bat was corked okay when you corked the bat the ball jumped off the bat yeah that means okay more pop

over the fence okay but the thing was, but Ocho, here's the thing. Baseball needed something to get the fans back into the stadium. Back into it, yeah. Because remember,

they struck and they shut it down. And the fans weren't coming back. They started coming back in droves when that home run chase. It was McGuire and Sosa. Yeah. And a lot of people was doing it because they weren't testing.

And then they got holier than thou and they didn't have no problem with it until Barry got the record. Right. Hey, I can play for the Marlins right now, now that I think about it. Look at my technique. You can't see my whole body,

but you can see I know what I'm doing, though. What you think? No. You, uh... You scared of that ball. Who? You. Oh, listen, I hit 90, 100-mile...

90, 100-mile-an-hour ball with ease, man. I got hand-eye coordination. How do you think I play football? I tell you what. You won't even put your bat on a 100-mile-an-hour ball. Oh, you won't bet nothing? I go record it tomorrow.

I go to the batting cage tomorrow and show you. Mm-mm. You ain't going to do it. Let's bet. Let's bet. We bet. Okay, bet. You won't put one ball in play.

Okay. You might stick your bat out there and it go in play. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No,'t put one ball in play. You might stick your bat out there and it go in. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You better do your homework now. Do your homework now. I can play some baseball. Don't do that.

You ain't never played no baseball. Who? You. You ain't never played no baseball. I played baseball in college. I almost got drafted. Yeah, to the military. No, to the...

They were looking for a few good means. That was the only draft you're going to be a part of. Bad please. I mean, also, the thing is that what you have to understand. Hey, that was a good one. Baseball is a sport. Like, you can play, guys can play like, you heard guys, well, like Olajuwon didn't play basketball,

but like his 11th and 12th grade year, his 12th grade year and guys play football play one year of football baseball you better come up at five years old right and seeing the balls you ain't been that ain't no sport that you just pick up at 15 16 and say yeah i'm gonna be a problem hell no can i tell you something? Yeah. I respect every sport. And it kind of makes me sad sometimes when you don't believe how good I am at certain sports. I believe you good.

In high school, in high school, at Miami Beach Senior High, I played baseball. I was considered almost going into the first round, but I chose to play football instead. I was a five-tooler.

No. I was a five-tooler in high school. That's how good I was. What are the five tools? Dude, what you mean what are the five tools? I was a slugger. Outfield, you couldn't get that. I would like Shea.

I used to pitch, too. I would like Shea Ohtani in high school. I did everything. I bullshit you not. So, in other words, you can hit for power, hit for average. Yes. Yes. I did everything.

Cash throat. Cash throat, man. Listen, everything. I was a five-tooler. Hey, no. I promise you. I was finna. Cat's throat, man. Listen, everything. I was a five-tooler. Hey, no. I'm not. I promise you. I was finna get drafted to the Baltimore Orioles.

Oh, Lord. Ocho. Like I'm saying, I mean, think about it. Think about how hard it is. There have not been a whole lot of guys. That's why, why you think people give

Prime and Bone so much credit? Yes, sir. Because it's so hard to do that very very calmer murray calmer was the number one overall pick in football he was the number eight pick in baseball yeah that's crazy uh uh brian jordan i don't know if you remember brian jordan he played safety he ended up he was a safety for the fabric a pro bowler. He gave it up and turned and he played probably 15

years for the Cardinals. I don't know if all the years, but a lot of the years, bro, that baseball is a different animal. Think about Ocho. Think about this year. You hit 300. You're going to be a Hall of Famer. Where else can you

fail three out of ten? You can be successful three out of ten times. Imagine if you caught three out of ten balls that were thrown to you. Or you made three out of ten shots. You'd be at home on the couch. So that lets you know

just how hard baseball is. Man. I ain't gonna lie to people I was scared of the ball so that was my that was and plus

baseball was summer it wasn't we ain't have no traveling I had to work Mary Porter said you go hit them fields yeah you ain't hit no baseball

hit them fields but I'm cool with that plus Ocho you think you go from football to basketball

basketball to track track you have another month of school and as soon as we another month of school. And as soon as we got out of school, we're in the fields. Yeah, yeah. Man, no time for no baseball. No damn baseball.

Baseball and track overlap. Yeah. Damn, I wish you could have saw me. Boy, I'm telling you. Hey. I wish you could have saw me pitch, boy, back then, boy. Pitch what? Oh, Lord have mercy.

You heard me? Yeah, I heard you. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm trying to get my camera. I see my technique. You see that? Yeah, I see that? Yeah, I see that. Hey, boy, I used to give him hell in high school. The five tools you had.

Let me tell you how good I was. Can I tell you the five tools you had? In the outfield, I was the only person in the outfield. That's how good I was. Yeah, in the outfield. Mm-hmm. That's how good I was. Yeah, lawnmower. An edger, a weed eater, a rake. A rake. Those are tools. A blower.

Those are four of the tools that you had. Man, it made it to me. Five tools. Lawnmower, a edger, a blower, a weed eater, and whatever the hell you wanted. Because those are the only two that you had, bro.

I'm telling you, man. You got, you know, until you see it, you would never believe it. Some people say, I didn't know Ocho could play soccer until they saw it. Then they see me,

I didn't know Ocho could play tennis until you see it. Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, Ocho. You kicking a soccer ball and actually being a soccer player, they're entirely two different things. Hey, do me a favor. Do me a favor.

Are you going to the TST tournament? You're not going. No. So when you see the highlights from the tournament and you be like, oh shit, this motherfucker really know how to play. Make sure you give my credit. Ocho, there are guys

that can go shoot a basketball and they think they can be in the NBA. There are guys that think they can catch a football, they should be in the NFL. There's levels to that, Ocho. Man, don't do that. Don't do them people like that, Ocho.

Don't do what? I've been doing this since I was five. Respect them people's sport. You can't play no damn soccer. I can't? No. I don't like when you do me like that.

I don't like when you do me like that. I gotta keep you realistic. So I can't play tennis either, huh? You see me play tennis? No, you can't. You not returning one third. Just because you can't do it, don't mean I can't. You can't return one.

Listen. Listen, Unc, there are clips of me doing everything you saying I can't do, which makes no sense. I tell you what, you not returning

one professional tennis player serve. You said respect their sport, so I wouldn't be playing on a professional level then. What are we talking about? We talking about just playing the game. Oh, yeah. Because I love it.

Yeah, well, I can do that. I got that shoe. I can do all that, yeah. No, you can't. No, you can't. Yes, I can. Yes, I can. No, you can't.

No, you can't. Matter of fact, I can go play right now. I can go right now and make the Miami open. Miami open what? The Miami open. In tennis?

Yes. Right now. At 56. I can go play for y'all. Matter of fact, I can go play for Napoli in Naples, Italy. Right now. Coming off the bench. No.

You'll never see no action. Yeah. I'm going to see that. Ocho. Yeah. He's mad talking about Ocho. Yeah. Because you said you was going to be able to play professionally. I'm going to see that. Ocho. This man talking about Ocho. Yeah. Because you said you was going to be able to play professionally.

I'm talking about professionally. I didn't say professionally, though. I was just talking about I'm really good at the things that I take seriously. Oh, yeah. You're going to play to old people. There's a lot of old people down in Miami. I don't play old people. I play the younger folks to let them know how good I am despite my age. God, Lord have mercy. Yeah. That's what I do.

Hey, man. Hey, man, Ojo. You got the people to believe it up, man. Yeah, I believe Ojo could play. I can. If you... See, you don't pay attention to what I be doing, man.

It's what I do. Oh, Lord have mercy. Look, I was at a celebrity tennis tournament with Andre Agassi and Pete Sanford. Yeah. You not hit that ball. Man, trust me. Man, that ball, hey.

Have you ever seen a professional tennis match? I go to the Miami Open every year. I know what it look like. Bro. Listen, do you know I'm my hidden partner? I'm Chris Eubanks' hidden partner. Like I said, you can throw all them days. I'm being honest.

I'm Chris Eubanks' hidden partner. Bro. So the fact that I know what it looks like I can return I can do all that I mean I play with the pros You wouldn't have been able to hit or return Venus Luss Arena Let alone the million

Man, I'm talking, man, listen, man See, you disrespecting my You disrespecting my skill, man No, no, no, no, you over-evaluating Your skills No, i'm not over evaluating because i i train and i practice with the pros that's what you fail to realize do you realize how many people that played sports that didn't cross over like you got two you got three you got bo you got dion you got brand. You got Deion. And you got Brian Jordan.

You ain't never seen nobody play professional football and basketball. You'll never see nobody play professional. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I play professional soccer and football. Hold up. Let me go. All right, guys. It's time for Q and A. Wait, where you going?

During the NFL lockout, I played for Sporting KC in the MLS. So what? I'm a two-sporter too. Yeah! Yeah! Let's go, boy! Woo! Lainey Ray said, so excited to get my merch. Got any spoilers for us for the merch?

That hasn't dropped, like, quotes that will be on them. Also, I need some Shannon and Ocho stickers for my water bottle. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got some quotes coming. You know, we got a bunch of them. I mean, damn near every quote that you heard us utter

on the show is going to probably be on a T-shirt at some point down there. We wanted to get Ocho's Stay With Me Now. But we definitely going to have, Laney but we definitely going to have more quotes on t-shirts, different designs, we're going to come with different colors

of hoodies because the thing is with nightcap because the lettering and it's fairly simple, it's not as complicated as the club she she she the logo

so we can do so much more with with nightcap I mean yeah with nightcap that we can club she she but Lanny we're definitely going to have some quotes and I can't wait I don't know what's what's the next quote going to be

oh we can't tell you yet actually we can't tell you yet. Actually, we can't tell you yet. But best believe I'm too big of a cat to be played with like a kitten going to be on it. Oat your head. Probably milk done. We probably going to... We probably going to have one with a monkey on it

and have some nuts. So we have the monkey with a pair of clippers in his hands and have the nuts. So you have to infer that it's shaved monkey nuts. I like that. infer that it's shaved lucky nuts. I like that.

I like that. I like that. I know you would like some more booze, Jive. You like booze, Jive. Yeah. Probably the next one is, I was held when I was well, and I would lie for you before I lied to you. Those are probably going to be the next two. I lied for you before I lied to you. Those are probably going to be the next two. I'd lie for you before I lie to you.

Hey, that one right there? That's from 1849. Sean DeBear Lipsy said, who's the face of the Celtics? Tatum or Brown? Do you think they get along? I think they get along great. I would probably say. I would probably say

I would probably say it's Jason Tatum. Yeah. But I do believe they get along. I think they get along well. Do I think they hang together off the court and stuff like that? No. But I do think they get along well. At one point

weren't they saying Jason Tatum was going to be the face of the league at one point? Yes. Yeah. So if he was going to be the face of the league at one point yes yeah so if he's gonna be the face of the league you got to be the face of the team right it's kind of hard to be a face of a league when you're not the face of your team wouldn't you say yeah you're right so yeah i i think uh i i think it's Tatum but I do think they get along Kemper Norwood Jr. said my question is who's the finals MVP other than Jason Tatum or Jalen Brown

I mean if they win it's going to be one of those it's going to be one of those guys would I be shocked if Jason Tatum won it I mean excuse me Jalen Brown won it no I wouldn't. Especially if he plays like he's been playing the first two rounds.

Yeah. But obviously, if the Mavericks win, it's going to probably be Luka. And if Minnesota wins it all, it'll probably be Ant-Man. Damn.

I mean, occasionally you see situations. Cornbread Maxwell won the finals MVP in 81 over Larry Bird. Andre Iguodala, he won it over Steph. Kawhi won it early in his career with Tim Duncan, Tony Parker on the roster

so it doesn't happen often but it's happened what you doing trying to plug that up yeah before I don't go dead what's up Unc and Tocho what is the second most important

what's the second most important position in football? The second most important position in football is... Oh, important. I wish they had said difficult. Damn, that's a good one. A very good one. I mean, obviously, the first is always a quarterback. Second most important position that matters the most... A very good one. I mean, obviously, the first is always a quarterback.

Second most important position that matters the most. I want to... Ooh, that's... I don't know. You might be better suited to answer that one. Because no one else has the ball in their hand consistently enough. But who can affect the game? Who can affect the game more

by the position that they play? The de-tackle? I saw this earlier and everybody gave some great responses. Some people said the wide receiver. Some people said cornerback, somebody. All things being equal, I would take, I'd probably say a left tackle. I'd probably say the tackle.

Oh, that's a good one. I was thinking, I'm not sure why I was thinking D tackle because they can affect the game so much on the defensive side of the ball. Yeah. I think the thing is, because here's the thing, Ocho. I don't care how good my quarterback is,

but if he ain't getting, if he getting hit in his back, he ain't throwing, he ain't throwing nothing. I can't get the ball to Chase. I can't get the ball to Tyreek. And I'll, yeah, I mean, if you said

O-line, D-line, but it's got to be specific. It's got to be a DT or O. Because, look, the center's important, but give me a left tackle over center. Yeah. And I would take... Now, if you're going to take LT out of the equation,

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Actually, I saw him twice. One time he knew who I was. The other time he had no idea because he was lying in a coffin. So I don't have a whole lot of experiences dealing with my father because, you know, once I was he and my mom divorced and they broke up and we came to live with my grandmother, my grandmother, my grandfather, 1970. He came, I think I was in the. He came in 73. I was in kindergarten. He came in 73 I was in kindergarten he came in 73 and then the next time

I saw him was 81 and he had passed but I do think about my father I think about I thought so much about my father and I respected him even though I didn't know him.

I named my son after him. My son has his name. So. I didn't have the relationship that I wish I could have had with my father so he could have could have saw what my brother and I became, how we conducted ourselves as men. I know he would have been proud. But I had, you know, my grandfather was in my life for nine years, almost nine years. And so I have a better recollection of my grandfather, not so much of my dad. But that's why I don't really speak about it because

I don't really have a whole lot to speak about. Well, my father wasn't wasn't around during during my time as a little kid obviously my grandma raised me and my dad at that time did 23 years 23 years fair time uh i caught him on the back end but not even the back end maybe and yeah the back end of my career he can the back end, maybe in, yeah, the back end of my career. He can't, he got,

he got out. And obviously, you know, grandma and my mom were like, oh no, you know, he wasn't here when you was young and all that.

Ain't no point in trying to rekindle no relationship and all that. I was like, man, I ain't trying to hear all that. You know, I'm trying to understand, get a better understanding

of who my father is. I know what it's like having to deal with, deal with y'all so ain't no telling what y'all did you know whatever whatever it may be so i grew grew to have a relationship with him and he want none he want none he wanted a pipe and he wants some tobacco for his pipe and we used to smoke my cigar and he'll go get his pipe man we used to go down to south beach and man eat at davis cat i'd never forget because no my my pops passed away he passed away in 2010 if i'm not mistaken

20 yeah the 2011 he passed away so i tried to you know to you know find some type of relationship that i had never had because i didn't have a father figure at the time so when he got out and you know it was short-lived because when he got out, and, you know, it was short-lived because when he got out, he wasn't around very much, you know, very much longer after that. And so it's hard for me to really have an answer for you as well. But listen, whatever you do, rekindle that flame any way you can because my mom is gone, my daddy gone, my grandma not here.

And at times I really wish I really wish they were here. Yeah. I think the thing is Ocho, people know that I have a great recollection of things that have happened in my childhood. I don't recall much because like I said, I only saw him once to know who I was looking at

in my 56 years of living. So I can't speak about something. I know he loved us. The time that he was going to come home, he ended up having, got developed cancer, ended up having both of his jawbones removed. And he was going to come home, but he told, he told grandma Charlie, which was his mother, our grandmother, that he didn't want his kids to see him like this.

And I remember Grandma Charlie explaining to us, to my Pete, they called him Pete. Like Pete, them kids, they just want to see their dad. And so he had gotten up the courage. He was going to come home

and he was going to see us. He's going to come home and like, he's going to come home around the time of his birthday. Because I think my grandma's birthday is like two or three days before my daughter's. And then his birthday is like a couple of days after my daughter's. Right. So I think he was going to come home around October. He ended up passing in August. So I don't have a recollection of my father.

So that's why I don't really speak that much about my father because I don't have a recollection. But I have my grandfather, even though I was almost nine when he passed, I can remember things. Obviously, my grandmother was in my life until 2011. So obviously, I have a better recollection of her and my mom.

My mom, I give my mom credit for doing what she knew she could, which was give us what our grandmother gave us. And it takes a special kind of person to do that because sometimes the best decisions don't involve you. what my grandmother gave us. And it takes a special kind of person to do that. Cause sometimes the best decisions don't involve you. And so I thank my mom for that, um, situation. We're trying to raise two boys on the South side of Chicago in the seventies.

Probably not going to be what we became. And so I love my mom. Um, I take care of my mom. But the greatest recollection is with my grandparents. My sister and my brother. So, we're

going to be alright. Boss lady said, hey, your words are clear that you like your life now and will pursue what you want I'm open for love and I'm in a space for connection now we're on two different pages no problem I'll fall back

you love drama love drama that might have been the one right there you never know you love That might have been the one right there You never know You love Why you bothering me man I'm just trying Listen man I just want to see you happy baby

That's all man You know I just want to see you happy You know you're running yourself ragged You're working yourself into the ground And you ain't got nobody to go home to And rub on your feet And rub your back And you know just You know just i don't know just i just need i just i just want you happy man you

say you're happy but i tell you i tell you every time you know the bible say a man who find that the wife find it a good thing and i just want you to find it a good thing that's all that's all nothing more nothing less now when I get married next year what about a 5'7 135 pound red bone what if I find one of them

a 5 who? 5'7 135 135? yeah what color you said red bone? yeah yeah yeah

yeah I got I got a few I got a few I got a few of them for you probably about 6 probably about", 240, 245. God, okay, okay. I like to ruffle. Hey, matter of fact, you just put the memo out there.

If you're 6'4", 245. No, 6'2". Oh, 6'2". 6'2", between 225, 240. Yeah. 5'10", 6'0", between 200, 225 240 510 6 foot between 200 225 or

or 5 7 but I'm looking for what like this is how you know girl if you ever see a girl and she like pigeon toed in one foot that left foot normally that left foot she kind of turn it a little bit. Right. You got to win

them. Wait, on one foot? Only on one foot. She got a pigeon to her. I can't do that. I can't. Yeah, Ocho. When I see them, I keep birdseed on me because I don't know whether to say hello or throw birdseed at them. But after she got pigeon to her, that one foot.

Every little thing going to be all alright, Ocho. Everything gonna be alright. Okay. One foot, I just, something just don't, I don't know, it just, I think, when I think of one foot being pigeon-toed, I'm thinking, you saw Usual Suspects? Yeah, Kyle DeSoche. I'm thinking

Kyle DeSoche coming out of that damn thing at the end and one foot pigeon toed and that just don't sit right with me. I don't like that visual. Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They ask me, hey, hook up with real cousin.

Really? I didn't try it yeah man somebody said they 5, 6, 150 I'm paying bills oh shoot that's what I'm talking about oh man

y'all just you paying bills man that might be the one right there you know paying bills. Man. That might be the one right there, you know. Sometimes it's good to be on the receiving end of things. Listen, I like my life as a stay-at-home father. Right now, I got all the kids. She out there having fun with all the girls and stuff.

But I'm cool. 5'9", 135. Yeah, you, yeah, you. Oh, 5'9", 135. That's too short. 5'9", 135. Yeah, you, yeah, you. Oh, 5'9", 135. That's too short. 5'9 for a woman? You said 5'10 a medal. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm saying, you know, I gave three. You know what I'm saying? Normally, you go to, you get flavors. You get strawberry, you get chocolate. You get vanilla. You get vanilla swirl. You get a cookie dough. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You get chocolate. You get vanilla. You get vanilla swirl. You get a cookie dough. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? You get Oreo. You know what I'm saying? Birthday cake. I'm just saying. I just gave you three flavors, Ocho. Right, right, right. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

I'm just checking. I'm just checking. I'm just checking. Well, you got to find you somebody. You got to, I mean, I mean, the world, the world is your oyster. I don't know what movie I heard that in, but. Five film, 155. Okay, but... Five film, 155? Okay, okay.

Five film, 155. Yeah. Yeah, when I think about it, it should be so easy for you to find somebody because, like, it's so many of what you're looking for. That's the problem. It's so many. That's the problem. When you're a kid and they get you money and for. That's the problem. It's so many. That's the problem.

When you a kid and they get your money and they say go to the store and you only get one thing. How many things did you grab, Ocho? Two, three? Well, no, because if I only had enough money for one, I'm getting that one thing

and I'm going to buy just that one. You got a dollar and they give you a dollar and they say, okay, you can only get one thing. But I got a dollar. I can get more than and they say, okay, you can only get one thing. But I got a dollar. I can get more than one thing. I want to spend the whole dollar.

I see where you're going. I see where you're going. Now, we factor in. Now, that's what we got to factor in discipline. Okay? That's what we've got to factor in discipline. You find you one you like. Now, everybody come with baggage.

Everybody come with some bullshit. You find you one you like whose baggage you willing to unpack and then you make it, you make, hey, you make it do what it do. Yeah, I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Like you watch the track and field meet

today. Oh, I missed it. I saw she probably ran a goddamn 10-8 though. Yeah, yeah. She look good. Smooth too. Yeah, yeah. She look good. I seen she ran a goddamn 10-8. Smooth to easy. Easy. See like them women shop putters? Yeah. Disco thrower? Yes, sir.

Now, all you gotta do is just put a little name out there. They gonna see this. Nah, I ain't put no name out there. I'm just saying. You know, I'm saying. Yeah. I done started back working out. Just put a name out there. I'm just saying you know yeah I'm starting to work it out just put a name right there they gonna see this

nah I ain't putting no name right there nah stop hey I'm just I'm just throwing you throwing a shot throwing a shot put nah that's my problem I'm just throwing a... You throwing a shot? Throwing a shot put?

Nah, nah, nah. That's my problem. I mean, I just like... I love beautiful women, Ocho. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. That's why I stay at my house. Yeah, I mean, but... I've been telling you all the shopping. You know?

Shelly, you handle that. Send me stuff. Hey. You can find you one, though. Send me stuff. Hey, you can find you one though. Is she out there? I know she is. She out there. And you have a plan.

One or 100 might be out there. What? One or 100 might be out there. We can make it one. You done had enough time. You done been through, you done did the hundred already. You done, you done did that already. You done been through. You done did the 100 already. You done did that already.

You done did that in the early, late 80s, early 90s, early 2000s. Now it's time to simmer down a little bit. Okay. It's time to simmer down a little bit. Get you one. All we need is one good one. One good season one. Yeah.

Wow. good one. You know, one good season one, you know? Yeah. Arkansas women just broke the collegiate national, the collegiate record in the 4x4 in the regionals, 321-88. Those women were booking. Ooh, they were moving, boy. Golly. They booking.

They booking, booking. That's live Tony Boyd said hey you mentioned picking peas I remember making $7 a day hot as hell I didn't go back what's the most you made in a day well a lot of times I had two jobs

we work in the back of field I would make the most I ever made on a day probably $28. $28? Yeah. But I work from,

I work from, I work from seven, I work from like seven to five, 35, seven to six into the back of fields. And then I walk, went and caught, we went and caught, we catch on average somewhere between 12 and 16,000 chickens.

And so it was like nine of us and we got a dollar a thousand. So every thousand chickens we caught, we got a dollar. And we had a small crew. We were really young. And so they would only let us catch. We were like the C group. They had an A group that would catch somewhere between 40 and 50,000 a night. They had a B group that would catch somewhere between 40 and 50,000 a night. They had a B group

that would catch somewhere between 30 and 35,000 a night. And then, I mean, 20 to 30,000 a night. And we'd catch average 10 to 16. The most we ever caught was 16. The least we've ever caught

was probably eight. But we're somewhere around 10 to 12. So I made 28 bucks. That's the most I've ever made. But I worked about, probably about 18 hours for that. Dang.

Way to get it. But I'm dressed to the nine. They tell you quick, O'Shea kept eyes out on him. O'Shea kept polo on him him. O'Shea kept Polo on him. Kept Dockside on my feet. And had the Izzard belt to match the Izzard

shirt, to match the Izzard socks. Y'all better stop playing. And the Lee jeans. Had Lee jeans, Calvin Klein, Sergio Rigoletto. Ooh. Yeah, for sure. Okay. For sure. Had it like that. I had to get it.

I spent all my money on one shirt. I spent all my money in a week. Bought $20, $25 eyes on. See, my brother, he bought like three or four from JCPenney. Not old Chateau. They already know. My brother still calls me

to this day. Call me Chateau. Because they knew I loved the final phase. Call me Chateau. They already know. They call me, my brother's sister still call me to this day. Call me Chateau because they knew I loved the final phase. Call me Chateau Brion. Had to get it. I like it. Oh yeah, but that was about me. I had to work. I mean, I had,

I caught chickens from the, from the fourth grade all the way to the eighth grade. So you were, you were working, working. Yeah. I was doing working, working. Yeah. That was during school year, too. I taught chickens during school.

Well, you know what? I worked during school year. My sophomore, my junior year, I was at McDonald's. McDonald's on 62nd Street, right here by Edison. Yeah. Out here in Miami. That's how it all started. Then when I was at college at Santa Monica,

before, listen, the money was slow, man, before I had to go do that you-know-what. I was at Cougaroo. You know about Cougaroos? That thing sound familiar. Yeah, man, I worked at Cougaroo Chicken and I worked at KB Toy Store and Crenshaw Mall.

Man, that money was too slow, huh? That money was too slow, huh? That money was too slow for what I was trying to do as a young fella in college, man. Yeah. I will take you back. You want to go catch chickens? I'll let you see what it's like

to catch chickens. Me? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, that ain't nothing, man. Catching chickens is easy, man. Three in one hand, three in the other. that's easy right by right around the neck no you gotta nobody feet y'all do it by their feet yeah okay yeah three in one hand three in the other now you gotta understand now

how old am i i'm nine i'm nine in the fourth grade nine, ten, eleven, twelve so I did that until I was like twelve or thirteen yeah you know I ain't got I ain't have the hands I got now yeah yeah yeah yeah but you know we go in that thing boy we call them birds

we come up out of them boy yeah hey we go in there getting up by nine thirty nine thirty probably start about nine thirty about one o'clock we coming up out that thing

go home get about four hours of sleep 9.30, probably start about 9.30. By 1 o'clock, we coming up out that thing. Go home, get about four hours of sleep. Take a bath in the tub. Watch yourself off, get ready for school. Yeah. Oh, yeah, had to get that thing. Break right off a little something. Oh, yeah.

I'm going to have my sister send me that, what you call them, my W-2. Out of W-2, I made, in 1977, I think I made like $300. Woo! $300! That boy was eating. Woo! But I did, I did. Good.

Made $300, you know, had a little store credit, get me like four or five honey buns. But I love honey buns on show, man. Oh, who you telling? I told you that's a delicacy. I didn't, well, I don't know where y'all from, but for me,

I put that honey bun in the refrigerator, in the microwave, by 10, 11 seconds. Yeah. And don't play with me. Don't even play with me. That truck driver. 11 seconds. What?

We call them truck driver states. Truck driver state? Yeah, we try the truck driver to be tearing them things up. Man, you get them a honey bun, a vine of sausages, and a Coca-Cola. Yeah.

Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. What you know about the big Texas cinnamon roll? Oh, yeah. The purple wrap, man. Yeah. You warm it. Man, listen.

Woo! Let me take my glasses off because I'm bringing back memories and I'm about to cry. Hey. You know about Zingers? Remember Zingers? What are they?

Man, Zingers is, um... They have chocolate and they have vanilla. Zingers. Uh-huh. Moon pies. Oh, I know the moon pie. Moon pie?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, that marshmallow, that yellow one. That yellow one? Yes. That yellow one? Yes. Yeah. Ain't nothing like a moon pie.

I don't really... The chocolate one, okay. But it's that yellow one. Yeah. Hey, zebra cakes. Oh, yeah. I mentioned zebra cakes. Actually, I. I've got some zebra cakes. Actually, I got me some oatmeal pies in there right now.

Oh, I got some oatmeal. I got some oatmeal pies. Hold on. Remember oatmeal raisin pies, though? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, with the raisins on them. Yeah, the blue.

Throwback. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. Oh, man. Man, all the stuff I used to eat, I used to eat that stuff, Ocho, I ate a minute

and I said, Lord, please don't let me eat this when I get grown. Every so often. Ocho eating sardines. Every so often. Sometimes I just buy it just to like

open it like sardines. I bought the sardines and then they came up with the sardines with the mustard sauce in it. Y'all know y'all know what I'm talking about. And I was just like, Lord, sardines and then saltine. I'm sardines with the mustard sauce in it. Y'all know what I'm talking about. And I was just like, Lord,

sardines and then saltine. I'm like, Lord, please. The vineyard sausages. Yeah. I was like, Lord, please, man. That brings back good memories, man. Eating spam, eating that bologna. Damn. I eat some squirrely rice right now. Somebody cook it.

Man, don't mention nothing about food right now boy i'm hungry i ate one time today hey who know about catching chickens i would take i'm gonna take i'm gonna take ocho let's see if he can see if he can laugh he always talk about he could do something i gave him an hour anything anything i say i can do i can me. I give them about an hour. Their back going to lock up. Lock up? Yeah. Because you got to bend down to get the chickens.

You ain't used to bending down like that no more on show. Yes, I am. Oh, my. And you know what? We might do a thing. Hey, I'm going to call the people at the Claxton Portrait Plant. Yeah, let them know. We want to do a thing. Hey, I'm going to call the people at the Claxton Portrait Plant. Yeah, let them know. I'm going to say, we want to do a reality show.

Listen, if you let me out there, give me some football cleats. You don't need no football cleats. You don't have no football cleats and no chicken house. No, I need to move. I got to move fast. I got to move fast. Ocho. In an hour, I could probably bring in

about 20,000 chickens in an hour. Ocho. You know how this works, Ocho? You go in at night, you open it at one end, and you take a flashlight because chickens huddle together.

Right. So they're easy to catch. Right, right, right. But it's just a constant repetition of bending over and picking up three birds in one hand, three birds in the other,

and walking them out and handling them up. That's easy. That's easy. Because I ain't going to... I ain't the platform to be talking about that. It's not easy.

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