Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Addison cryptic message, CeeDee responds to Aikman, Russ dismisses Payton

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from week 8 of the NFL season including Minnesota VIkings WR Jordan Addison posting a cryptic message about wanting out of Minnesota, Dallas Cowboys WR CeeDee Lamb taking Troy Aikman’s negative comments as constructive criticism, Pittsburgh Steelers QB Russell Wilson leaving Sean Payton and his time in Denver off of his list of “great” coaches he has played for and much more!03:18 - Texans beat the Colts09:55 - A DB is a safety12:55 - What did Jordan Addison mean?18:13 - CeeDee Lamb responds to Troy Aikman’s criticism22:06 - Can Derrick Henry break the record?26:32 - Quincy Williams gets fined by the NFL29:45 - Russell Wilson leaves out Payton35:30 - Cooper Kupp on the trading block?42:00 - Jerry’s world is an amusement park(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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with at least 15 attempts since Steve Berline went 2-17 in the Cowboys in the first half of the game against the Eagles. 11 years before Richardson was born. The fans are slamming Anthony Richardson for taking himself out of the game in the third quarter. Anthony Richardson talked about it after the game, tired, ain't gonna lie. That was a lot of running right there, that idea. So I just told Shane I needed a break right here. He just took it. We just want to play on. Oh, Joe, you can't Ocho everything you don't have to verbalize everything

right right right right guys need to understand that bro you think you being stand up bro you the face of the franchise you can't come out you too tired to turn around and hand the ball off hey you know what I didn't know I thought he he came out and he didn't say nothing. I thought it was that left ankle. Okay. You can't say I'm tired, Ocho. I don't think you wanted to say he was hurt. I think it was that left ankle.

So you think saying I was tired was better than saying I was hurt? You know how that go. Once you got an injury, you know what they want to do. They want to take your helmet. They don't want to let you back in the game. Ocho, Ocho, the man said I was tired. We've seen Lamar.

We've seen quarterbacks run 30, 40, 50 yards and come back in. You mean to tell me this man is 21, 22 years of age, and you too tired to turn around and hand the ball off? Oh, that's not a good look. Man, that's an horrible look. Yeah, it wasn't a good answer. It wasn't a good answer. I'm sure he'll learn from it, though.

He'll learn from it. You have to be careful what you say. And obviously he's not as media savvy as other quarterbacks would be, especially in that scenario in a situation like that. But I still think it was that ankle. I really think it was that ankle. That's why he came out. He'll learn from it, though.

Lord, have mercy sometimes guys just don't even say nothing just don't say nothing man the Broncos beat the brakes off the Panthers that don't even count they playing the Panthers man that don't count we beat y'all too That don't even count. They playing the Panthers, man. That don't count. We beat y'all too. You don't get no

points for that. You don't get no points for that game at all. Bo Nix had 220 passing yards in the first half of Sunday's win more than he's had all but one game this season. DB JC Horn called out Sean Payton postgame trying to run up the score.

No, no, no, no. You let me coach the team. My job is to coach my team. Your coach's job is to coach your team. Because what I do, Ocho, when I beat you bad, I do you a favor. I let everybody know you're not good enough. Your offense, your defense, your special teams. Because, see, if I make it a close game,

you're going to go into the locker room and say, guys, we're close. We're really close. That's a good football team, and we almost had them. No, I beat the hell out of you. I let you know you're not close. You're not close in any aspect of it. So don't worry about my team. Why you don't be worried about my team?

Sean Payton was brutally honest post game about playing the Panthers. That's not a good offense. We played. It's just the truth. We expected that. We're going to see a lot better teams. The Broncos are three and five. Oh, five and three at Baltimore and

Kansas City the next two weeks. Now, you know what? You hyping up your Broncos so much. You're doing all this. Hoorah and hoopla. You're so happy about beating the Panthers. Well. Now, you know what? You hyping up your Broncos so much, doing all this hoorah and hoopla, and you're so happy about beating the Panthers. Well, hell, you finna lose the next two games. Don't worry about it. Y'all lost y'all last two.

But we played really good teams that we lost to. There's a difference. The Patriots good? You talk about way at the beginning of the season. Did y'all lose or win against the Patriots it's a simple yes or no yeah but y'all often y'all often hear what next to though whoa whoa why you wish I'm not wishing bad on you I'm just I'm just being real I'm just being really oh now all of a sudden you want to be real I've been asking you to be real sudden you want to be real. I've been asking you to be real early. You want to be real now.

Hey, Sean Payton said, I was just brutally honest, folks. He said that's not a good option. You see, any other coach would have said that, they would have jumped on him. If a player had said that, they would have jumped on him. But Sean Payton says it and tells the truth about the elephant in the room, it's crickets. They're not good. I mean, we know that you're not supposed to say it, though, as a coach. I mean, hey, the thing is

that kind of started our rivalry in Pittsburgh. I said that the first game we played Pittsburgh in all three River Stadium and we shut them out my first year in Baltimore. And I said that might be the worst team worst Steelers team I've seen in my life. Coach Kyle would say he shot back

and said hey you tell him to worry about his own team and we'll worry about our team so that kind of started the Steelers Ravens rivalry because that's when we know we started getting into it I started you know Plexico and I went back and forth. Earl Holmes.

Goddamn Plex. Broncos are 5-3. Another team, my co-host is 3-5. 5-3. 3-5. I bet one thing. I got a side bet on top of the other bet. Double or nothing.

I bet the Bengals finish with a better record than the Broncos. I tell you what I bet right now. I bet that. I ain't betting you no more. You know what I'm going to bet? You know what I'm going to bet? I'm going to bet the look on your face when y'all don't make the playoffs. Hey, y'all ain't making the playoffs either.

Earl Little Jr. That's Earl Little from – That's Steven Brown, Earl Little? Yeah. I think so. Oh, that's live. Goddamn Earl. Hey, Earl, if you watching, boy, I love you, boy.

He was a DB, wasn't he? No, Earl played safety, boy. Hey, Earl, if you watching, boy, I love you, boy. He was a DB, wasn't he? Now, Earl played safety, boy. Man, Earl used to be... You do realize DB is safety, right? Yeah. No, DB... Listen. Come on, now. DB is DB. Defensive backs. Now, if he stays safety or strong safety, Earl played, I think, free or

strong. One of them. Which is a defensive back. No. So what position did Eric Reid play? Eric Reid? Yeah. Eric was a free safety. So what is that classified as?

A free safety. DB, defensive back. No. When we say defensive backs, okay, cornerback. Yeah. Any secondary is considered a defensive back. Safety, free safety, strong safety, cornerback, all of those are considered defensive backs.

I don't like that, but I like it. You know what? I'm going to let you have that one. I'm going to let you have that one. I'm going to let you have that one. He didn't want to say, hey, Chad, y'all see him? He just want to argue just for the sake of arguing. I'm just, you got it. I'm going to let you have it, baby. I'm going to let you have it. I'm going to let you have it. Chad, what do y'all call a defensive back?

Is safety included as a DB? When someone says DB, the first thing you think about is a cornerback though. I think a corner safety. That's the only thing it can be. When someone says DB, the first thing for a football person, a football

mind like myself, I think a cornerback. That's it. Now, if we talk about safety, someone says DB, the first thing for a football person, a football mind like myself, I think a cornerback. That's it. Now, if we talk about safety, someone says a safety, a free safety. They don't say DB. So if I say backer, so what you thinking about? You thinking about Mike, Will? If you say backer, I'm thinking about the Mike. So what is TJ Watt?

What is Michael Parsons? DN. DN. Michael Parsons? D.N. D.N. Michael Parsons. T.J. Watt is a linebacker. They play a 3-4. His hand is in the ground, man. He's a D.N.

He's a 34 backer. I understand what you're saying. I understand the terminology you're talking about. But once your hand touches the ground, you are a DN, even if you're in a 3-4. No. You're being a little too technical. No, no. If you're in a 3-4,

the DN in the 3-4 is what J.J. Watt played, which is a 5 technique. Well, okay, all right. A 7 technique, okay, you got 7 and a 4-3. 7-9. A 7 and a 9. Okay, you got a A seven technique, okay, you got seven and a four-three. Seven-nine. A seven and a nine.

Nine, yeah. Okay, you got a cowboy front. Right. You got a wide nine. Well, we can call it a wide nine. We can call that a cowboy because he's kind of outside out. Right. We can go seven front, which is head up.

Right. You go five, which is shade. Yeah. On the tackle's shoulder. Mm-hmm. That's what we call it. That's what we... You're trying... You what we... You trying,

you complicate, you complicating things. It don't have to be that complicated. Elcho, a cryptic Jordan Addison social media post prompt speculation

he wants to be traded. The second year receiver posted a photo of himself in a uniform on Instagram with the caption, free three. For the current generation that knows that certain things will be interpreted.

Listen, when we say free anything, we already know what that means. That means you're in solitude. That means you're locked up in some type of institution of some sort. And when you say free... He lucky. With two DUIs, he absolutely right.

He not locked up. He absolutely right. I didn't mean to lead into that. I wasn't even trying to lead into that. You too. I know you didn't, but he needs to think about that because Minnesota stuck by him with that on his resume.

See, I mean, back to back about that situation. I don't, I don't like when players are unhappy, man. I don't like when players are unhappy and they, and they,

and they say stuff like that, because you never understand what can happen because you go to a situation that's really not for you. That's really not for you. If you have an issue with getting the ball, you go talk to your officer coordinator,

talk to your head coach, talk to your quarterback. So in other words, you want to target that G to get. But at least make me feel like I'm a part of the program. At least make me feel like I'm a part of the offense. You know he started the season. He wasn't

there to start the season, right? He just wants some production, huh? He just wants some production, that's all. I just want to touch the ball. Ocho, the guy in his second year. Ocho, he's only been there like three games. Damn. So he thinks he's supposed to have like 40 targets and 32 catches.

You got to understand how you feel, Unc. You know? I'm here. I wasn't here at the start of the season, but I'm here now. I would like to help us continue to win. And plus, they're doing a lot of this with no Hawkinson. So what you think it's gonna look like when when they got when they got jefferson and hawkinson and listen the fact that hawkinson

isn't there that means some of the targets should be there now so you just you kind of kind of proving him proving what he's saying right and the only time you say free anything especially if you're a football player or basketball is because your lack of targets, your lack of opportunities, and you know, lack of production. Man, he bad. Bro, sit down. You're not Jerry Rice. You're not Randy. Now, if you're one of those guys, if you

are Tyreek or you Chase, you're one of those top-line guys, you're number two. He's a number two. I don't know what he could be somewhere else. I know what he is in Minnesota. Yeah, yeah. I understand.

You ain't had to say it like that. The man just want to be part of the offense, baby. That's all. He's part of it. They gave him like six targets a game. It's cardio. It's cardio. He don't want to.

How many targets you think you how many targets you think you're gonna get how many targets you think you're gonna get when you got a guy like jenna who has more receiving yards more catches in in this time frame yeah than any other receiver in history so how many targets you think you're gonna get i don't know boy that's tough that's tough you under But you understand the situation, don't you? Especially when you have the break. I mean, when you go, I mean, when you play next to Jerry

in his prime, you thought you were going to get the same amount of targets as Jerry. You're going to get the same amount of targets as Fitz. You're going to get the same amount of targets as Sterling Sharp or Chris Carter or any number one. The number two actually, when did the number two think he was going to get the same billing? There's a reason why they say star and co-star.

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Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. CD Lamb responds to Troy Aikman criticism. After Aikman called the Cowboys receiver lazy and terrible, CD responded to a sit-down interview with former coach Jason Garrett. As a leader, I take it in.

We got to work. I use it as a building block. If you say our routes are lazy, I'm going to go out there every week and show you my routes. Personally, I take that as constructive criticism, as well as you should. If we can control it, let's go work at it and get better at it.

I'm a hard worker. So anything you say that I'm not doing, I'm going to show you that I'm doing it. That's a hard worker so anything you say that i'm not doing i'm going to show you that i'm doing that's a very mature answer i like that very very very mature answer now is that what he really what he's really thinking probably not but what he said publicly is the perfect answer to the criticism that a legend from your organization who has won multiple Super Bowls. Great response. Great response. And the thing is

that you have to understand Troy the quarterback Troy used to get on my cast. Michael Irvin. What he's saying is that like bro, if I don't consistently know where you are, that's why people looking at us like we crazy.

You and I have had the conversation. As long as CD and Dak been playing together, they shouldn't have these misfires like they have on Joe. They have misfires like guys that ain't never played together. You know what I think that's due to that also? Every year.

Yeah. Yeah. Missing training game. Every year, those repetitions that you need in training camp mini camp otas all that helps all that helps in building that chemistry because it resets itself after every year it ain't oh i'm not i'm not gonna go to training i'm not at training camp i'm not at otas or i'm not at mini camp but I'm not at OTAs or I'm not at mini camp, but then come in season, you think everything is just going to be like that. They don't like that. No,

but that's the opportunity to work on stuff. The Ocho is just like, you don't like, man, you know what? I had my best year and I don't work anymore. You work hard to have a better year. So you get back to try to eat,

build even a better report each year. Each year you want to expand. Hey, hey, we good at this. Let's see if we can get a little better at that. OK, we got good at this and that. Let's see if we can get good at something else. That's how you build. That's how you get better.

And so now everything back shoulder fade and cut out, you know, speed out all that stuff but uh you know it's it's like i said i i don't watch him i used to watch him when i first started at uh at uh at box yeah i used to watch tape because i wanted to see i'd like but i just i i had to stop because in my head, I'm too critical, Ocho. Because I'm like, bro, what the hell is this? That lazy ass route. Bro, you can't, bro, you rounded the route off. That's why the DB came for it and knocked it down. And then you put the blame on, he knew you was breaking out. That's why he jetted it.

So I'm glad, I'm glad C.D. I hope C.D. takes it like, okay, you played the quarterback. You know what's expected of us in Dallas. Criticism comes along with the job. Especially a guy that played like he said. Troy is looking at it from a quarterback. He's looking at it from Dak. Everybody's saying Dak bad.

But damn, these guys running these ladies at rock. He don't know where they're going to be. Because the rock, bad, but damn, these guys running these ladies at rock, he don't know where they gonna be. Because the rock, hey, my back foot hit, but that quarterback back foot hit, Ocho, whether it's three or five. And I can't

be back there jacking the ball off. Worry about you. Yes! Eric Dickinson set the NFL rushing record 2105 in 1984. Back there jacking the ball off. People coming. Worry about you. People coming. Knock his head off. Yes! Eric Dickinson set the NFL rushing record, 2105 in 1984. That's after he came off his rookie season. He ran for 1808.

Over the last past 40 seasons, no one has been able to top that mark. But something could change. Heading into week eight, Derrick Henry's on pace to break the record. And although plenty of players have gotten off the heart starts the first half of the season before fading Lamar thinks Henry might be able to break the record. He says, Henry has a good chance to top Edie's number. It's there.

I feel like he has a great chance of achieving it. I think he can do it. I believe he can do it through seven believe he can do it. Through seven weeks, Henry has rushed for 873 yards. He's on pace to run for 2120, which would be 15 yards more than E.D.'s record. So Henry doesn't have a huge margin for error going forward. The possibility of him doing it is really, really good. It's really, really good.

Very good. Oh's really, really good. Very good. There's nothing. The Ravens almost seem like a cheat code when you watch them play against everybody they play. Lamar is running the ball. He's throwing the ball. De'Aaron Curry is running the ball. He's catching balls out the goddamn backfield.

That's not even part of his repertoire. That's a big word for him, but I can't spell it. I mean, they look really, really good, obviously. It's damn near scary. If I were to say the two best teams in the NFL, offensively,

I'm going Detroit and I'm going goddamn Ravens. The Ravens are getting it done on the ground before they even put the ball in the air. This is a pass-happy league now. You definitely got to see it. But my question is, at what expense does Jerry Henry break that record? TD could – we could have got TD's record.

Because there are games in which TD, when he ran for 2008, Ocho, TD was done at the half. He'd be in a rush for 150 and Mike wouldn't let him play anymore. Or he'd be in a rush for 169, and in the third quarter, he was done for the fourth quarter. So he sat out probably equivalent if you look at what – if you go back and look at when he didn't play anymore, he probably sat out the equivalent of probably three games

because Mike saw the bigger picture. Yeah, I get you that record. We don't win the Super Bowl. What the hell? Because at the end of the day, we wanted to be special. You needed a repeat. In order for you to be one of these teams that people talk about recurrently, you got to do it back to back.

So do I think he can do it? Yeah, I do. I do. Because there's going to be a situation where they're going to need him to run the air out of the ball. And he's more than capable of doing that. And I think they have a team that takes pride and kind of like when TD – TD needs like 170-something yards to get that record, don't you?

Man, you ought to saw that line. He was blocking his ass off, huh? Man, I was like, man, hey. I'm like, throw it, throw it, throw it. Man, please. Hey, them linemen wanted it. They like, hey, they like, oh, we're going to get this. We're going to get that record.

We're going to get you a dollar. And knowing that in the record, but it's the fact that we're the reason why he was able to get that record. So it means just as much to them as it does to him winning that record, but it's the fact that we're the reason why he was able to get that record. So it means just as much to them as it does to him winning that record. And he gets an extra game. Right. 17 instead of 16. What was so amazing, OJ went for 2003 and 14. And boy, that boy was toting that rock, boy.

Oh, the electric company. That's what toting that rock, boy. Oh, the electric company. That's what they call the offensive line, the electric company. Raleigh McKenzie, Joe DeLamalier, they were moving people. They were moving them up out of there. Actually, Joe Ferguson, if I'm not mistaken, Joe Ferguson was the quarterback.

Joe Ferguson was the quarterback. We played, by rookie year, we played Indy. Joe Ferguson was the quarterback. We played, by rookie year, we played Indy. Joe Ferguson was the quarterback in Indy in 1990. And I think O.J. broke that record in, what, 73? And he was the quarterback. He was the quarterback for O.J.

and he was the quarterback in Indy. That's dope. Yeah, we know what happened. But, hey, he was a hell of a running back everybody wanted to be 32 everybody the nfl fine jets linebacker quincy williams 45 45 000 20 dollars for unnecessary roughness use of helmet on the hit the steelers jaylen warren last week uh quincy tweeted how am I supposed to make this tackle?

My shoulder ain't that far from his head. He lowered his helmet to make contact with me. I will not get ran over. Flag football, two-hand touch. I agree. I've told the committee. Because my instinct, Ocho, when I catch the football and I know I'm coming, I'm going to play.

That's football in general. I'm not sure. I don't know and I know I'm coming, I'm going to play. I mean, that's football in general. I'm not sure. I don't know what they expect players to do, especially as fast as they're moving on that field. They're trying to change the game and the way players play on instinct and you react in real time. What's going to happen is if you try to change up some of the things you do to protect yourself while making a tackle, somebody's going to you're gonna you're gonna exactly because you can't hesitate

i can't hesitate as a tackler i can't hesitate as a receiver because my instinct i know that he coming i'm gonna brace every time so i'm gonna bring my head into the into the strike zone because i'm aiming he's aiming like okay I've been a white he's aiming for this I'm wanting to do the people I'm not sure who the people are in charge I'm not sure if the competition committee has anything to do with this if you watch film if you know the game of football if you're a football guy and have been around it for a very

long time you understand the difficulty and you're finding a player when there's only one way to make that tackle there's nothing else way to make that tackle. There's nothing else. There is no alternative. There is no alternative outside of you just stay high and he run right through you

and run you over. No, exactly. Exactly. But, you know, a lot of times guys get hit for hitting receivers. Talk about he's defenseless. No, that motherfucker got on helmet and shoulder pads. He ain't defenseless. What the hell was he doing out here?

And when you go to catch a pass and you know contact's coming, you brace for it. So you drop your head down into the strike zone. He might be trying to hit you in your waist, but you're going to brace for that lick. You ain't going to be like, okay, he's going to hit me in my waist. No. You ain't going to get sawed in half.

You want to try to absorb that blow as much as you possibly can. It's just physics. It is what it is. And I get it. It's the quarterback fault. You threw that F-ed up pass. Hell, I be wanting to throw it back to him sometime. No, you take it.

Let's switch positions. I'm going to go out there. I'm going to throw you one of these. You catch it. You tell me how you should have caught it. But I agree with you, Quincy, bro. I don't know how you're supposed to make the time. That's a $45,000 fine, but that's a lot, bro.

Hey, this is – Hold on. The guy running – Oh, sure, this is running back. So now they're – Hold on. Now they're – Because the running back can't lower his head.

I'm like, who runs through that hole? Chef, I. Like you, E.D. Or Roger Craig. E.D. ran through the hole. Or Roger Craig. Like that. Yeah.

But I'm saying, but for the most part, Ocho, when you see contact coming, you pray. You have to. If you don't, you're going to get hurt. Russell had one glaring omission on his list of great coaches he's played for. When talking to Yahoo Sports about getting his mojo back this season,

Russ spoke highly of his time in Pittsburgh and his career in Seattle, but he left off talking positively about Broncos and playing under Peyton Manning. I'm in a good place here. Excuse me, Sean. Yeah. Oh, that's it.

Manning, Broncos, and playing under Peyton. Sean Peyton Manning. I'm in a good place here. Excuse me, Sean. Oh, that's it. Manning Broncos and playing under Peyton. Sean Peyton. I thought it was Peyton. Under Sean Peyton. I'm in a good place here in Pittsburgh. I'm excited and I'm happy where my feet are. Just focus where you are right now. I look at it as a tremendous honor

and I don't look at it as a bad thing. I get to play for Pete Carroll. I get to play for Mike Tomlin, two all-time greats. What are you supposed to say? The man benched him. The man put all the blame, everything that transpired his first year in Denver, he placed it at the feet of Russ. What are you supposed to say? Number one, you never chastise a player in front of your team,

especially your quarterback. You don't do it on the sideline player in front of your team, especially your quarterback. You don't do it. You don't do it on the sideline in the middle of a game, hoping to get a reaction out of him. You know, he wasn't going to push Sean Payton on the list. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

I mean, I don't, I mean, at some point in time I understand Russell's a God fearing man but he's human also see sometimes people take the human element out of it oh just be the bigger person

well damn if I gotta always keep being the bigger person Ocho I'm hanging around too many small people god damn I can't always be the bigger man so y'all God damn. I can't always be the bigger man. So y'all, oh, let everybody just say whatever they want. Oh, you know, Shannon, it's just words.

So just let everybody just say whatever. Yeah. Treat you however. Nah, man. I ain't got no problem. I ain't got no problem with Russ. I don't have a problem with Russ didn't say. He ain't got no problem. I ain't got no problem with Russ. I don't have a problem with what Russ didn't say. He didn't say anything. I don't have a problem with what he didn't say.

I mean, I've been fortunate, Ocho. I mean, for the most part, I've had – I got along with all my head coaches. I ain't never had a problem with any head coach, but I wasn't a quarterback so i have a different level of expectation i ain't really have no problem with no position coach um i'm a i'm a i'm i'm big on respect don't you yeah i'm big on that especially when there's an interaction and there has to be an interaction between us, especially on an ongoing basis, because like, well,

you don't say yes to me and I won't say yes to you. That's kind of hard when you're the position coach or you're the offensive coordinator, or you're in a position where we're going to have to coexist. That's kind of hard. You know what I'm saying? You know, you build a relationship. They get somebody to one party get mad. Don't say if to me. Oh, how do you expect that to work?

Yeah. You in the kitchen, I'm in the kitchen. You in the bathroom, I'm in the bathroom. You in the bedroom, I'm in the bedroom. So how? We're in the basement. So how does that go work? Don't

say nothing to me. Don't look at me. Shit. Hey. Now I want to look at you now on purpose. What you looking at you? That's funny. No, but I ain't got no problem with Russ getting to say hey

man treat him like stir fry so hell no I ain't got nothing good to say I ain't got nothing see I ain't say nothing bad but you can deduce by me not saying anything you can deduce what I really think and my mama said if I ain't got nothing to say good to say about somebody,

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It was a big difference in the ballgame. look matthew saver played really well tonight uka nakua now you see why cooper cup is on the trade block you got a younger guy that's less expensive and that's that's the way sports work it's just like that the real world if you get somebody that's younger okay somebody's been there world. If you get somebody that's younger, okay, somebody that's been there 10, 15 years, you get somebody that's younger, that's on a cheaper salary,

that can do the job just as well, if not better, which you're starting to see. And get the same production. There's really no loyalty. You talk about loyalty in sports. There ain't a whole lot of loyalty in jobs either. Yeah, and there never has been. Never has been.

That's the way they say it. This is a dirty business. It always has been never has been that's the way this is this is the a dirty business it always has been a dirty business but some but for some reason fans are always fooled into believing that it's a fair game for the players and the first thing they bring up is well the players make millions of dollars but they always ignore the business side of things uh again i i'll state it again uh cooper cup didn't have a great game tonight, but Puka Nakua did. He picked up where he left off. Matthew Stafford, if I'm not mistaken, coming into this game,

he only had three touchdown passes in the past whatever weeks it might have been. And tonight, with a healthy Cooper Cup and a healthy Puka Nakua, has four tonight. The offense looked completely different. So with Cooper Cup being on the trade block with them going from from um what was it with the two and five and that what two and four to now three and four if i'm not mistaken with that with that being their record now i think that's off because now you have to think last year, they went on an eight-game stretch of winning seven of the last eight. So who's to say that they can't do that now,

now that everybody is back healthy? So I think, and obviously last year they made the playoffs and finishing 10-7, if I'm not mistaken, and made the playoffs. So they might can go on the run now and do the same thing, especially from an offensive standpoint, as good as they're playing. The question is, if somebody willing to give me the high draft pick that I seek for Cooper Cup, then I do the deal.

Because let me ask you... Tampa Bay absolutely will. They have nothing. They have nothing. Let me clear this. Chris Godwin is out. Mike Evans is out. It's always next man up. But the next man up is not going to give you the production.

That. Your Mike Evans, your Chris Godwin will would have a cup to come in in the offense that I'm sure he's familiar with, because much doesn't change from team to team outside of the language and the players that are called. That's pretty. That's pretty much it. And I And I think that guy was with Sean McVay, so that might be the same offense. Bingo. And so they might pretty much use the same language. And the thing is, Ocho, when they say next man up, you might be talking about one man.

You don't really talk about two. You don't hope you got, well, I got another guy that plays behind Chris Godwin that can be the next man. I got a guy that plays behind Mike Evans that could be the next man. Most teams don't have two guys that are going to be the next man. You might have one. You might find have a diamond in the rough where somebody goes out and the guy can come in and give you very similar production.

But the likelihood of you having two, three guys like we see some of these teams, and that's why Kansas City made the deal. I mean, you're out Rasheed Rice. You're without Hollywood Brown, and you get Pacheco, not Kareem Hunt has come in and did an unbelievable job, but the likelihood of you having multiple guys that can be

next man up and give you the kind of production that the guys that you were counting on to give you that production is not very likely. So my question, the thing that I have for the Rams is that what is the likelihood don't you let's just say for the sake of argument if we were to keep cooper cup right is what what's our chance can we win it all because once you want it all the only question is

can you win it all again you know what i i say it all the. And for those of you that in the chat, football doesn't start. Football season doesn't start. Meaningful football. Let me add that to it. Meaningful football doesn't start until after Thanksgiving. Until after Thanksgiving. And with them being three and four now, to me, how the Rams organization and Sean McVay are looking on the inside. Hell, if we went on a run and won seven of our last eight last year and made the playoffs at 10-7, who's to say we can't do it now and go on a run

and go on a tear? You know the thing, Ocho? I think it's possible. And because the 49ers are not what they were, you see Seattle, you're right there with them. You see the Cardinals, you're right there with them. And so maybe that changes your outlook also now if you were like where the 49ers were what they were 6-1 maybe

7-1 at this point last year you're like we're not catching them and so now because there's a chance you can win the division there's a chance you will get a home if you win the division obviously you get a home game so maybe that changes the thought process but normally when somebody's

on the trade block they don't pull them off especially if i can get what i what i want to get kansas city walked away because they wanted a lot they wanted a high draft pick and they wanted the ramp to put some of that salary bill around like nah nah let we gonna hold on it hey we got we still got what 12 days november the 5th which is election tuesday so we're gonna hold we're going to hold on. Hey, we still got, what, 12 days, November the 5th, which is Election Tuesday. So we're going to hold on, and we'll see what shakes out. Maybe – I hate saying this, but you know what, Ocho? Maybe somebody else that think they got a good chance to make the playoffs

or make a deep run, a receiver gets nicked. Add them to their roster. Yeah, and so and so yeah I mean I mean just just looking at it the the only thing that makes sense to me obviously Tampa Bay who has a winning record

and probably wants to still continue to give Baker an outlet somewhat of a security blanket and someone he can actually get the ball to I mean just you just have to do something like that I'm sure Baker has spoke to management and spoke to the people upstairs, obviously the head coach and the offensive coordinator about getting another target in there so that offense can still have some type of

consistency and rhythm with a receiver that he can count on consistently down in and down out. And listen, it might happen. But again, if you take Cooper Cup out of that offense, who was double tonight, I think then Pugna Kua now gets that attention. But Sean McVay's offense is so creative and being able to find ways to get Pugna Kua open, I think they would be fine if they were to trade Cooper Cubs. Ocho, life at the Cowboys practice facility

is undergoing a lot of scrutiny this week. Big old profile on Jerry Jones and life at the Cowboys facility in general dropped on ESPN. The article focuses on how the Cowboys fans are allowed to tour the team's facility with a level of access that doesn't exist

anywhere in football. These tours come at the expense of the players' unhappiness and comfort. Several former Cowboys told ESPN that the tours were one of the biggest distractions of working in Jerry's world and contradictory to the Jones stated goals of ending the 29-year Super Bowl drought.

The article, of course, comes with more than a couple of tone-deaf Jerry Coats quotes. It's gold. When those players go through our complex out there and see the fans, I ain't never seen nobody at work got excited because normally it happens on your day off. They don't normally have tours during the week, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday,

Friday. Normally, Ocho, normally. I don't know how it is. I can only speak two places. normally have tours during the week monday uh wednesday thursday friday normally ocho normally i don't know how it is i can only speak two places right i've been in denver i've been in baltimore normally it's tuesday or they'll come as we're starting to trickle out of there on a saturday but normally not when it's a normal work day you're not having that jerry says uh you know the fan the player they love that. They love it. I've never heard any complaint. Really, Jerry?

Hey, boss, let me tell you, I got a problem with you. I don't like the way you do. Come on, Jerry. But again, you know,

Jerry is the greatest salesman of all time. I've never heard any complaints about the tours from staff. I've never heard any complaint of the tours from staff members or players. Not one time. But the most important thing is it wouldn't make any. Thank you. Think about what he said. He said he's never heard a complaint from, uh,

about the tours from staff members or a player. Not one time. But the most important thing is it wouldn't make a difference anyway. Period. Because overall, they're swimming against the stream. If you search the article the word zoo, it comes up three separate times. These tours apparently generate

close to $10 million annually, which is why I keep saying, why does Jerry care if he wins a Super Bowl when he's going to generate $300 to $400 to $500 million regardless? Every year? Why does he care? Every year.

Hell, he's getting $300 million just from the TV deal. Now, you see, this is separate from the TV deal. He has a deal with a local radio station. He has a deal with a TV station. AT&T has the naming rights. That's probably $20 million a year. All the other rights, the stuff that you see up in the stadium. He has his own

individual merchandise deal. So he prints his own t-shirts. Somebody makes a great catch. Somebody makes a great run. Zeke jumping over somebody. Zeke eating. Jerry prints those shirts. Boom. They out just like that. So what's the incentive to win oh cho if you can make let's just say for the sake of argument you and i kind of cut

different i got to go to work but most people you say you know what whatever your salary is we're gonna double it and triple it and you ain't got i gotta do something but a lot of people say hold on you're gonna pay me to do nothing see jerry don't make money see it doesn't bother jerry if he doesn't win he gave y'all that see got keep the fans now i can't tell the fans how i really feel it's like he said even if they even if the players complain even if staff members complain it's not gonna make a difference so that's the problem jerry nobody gonna tell you the truth. I heard Dak say, nah, it don't bother me. Dak, stop.

You know he can't say what he want to say. Stop it. Exactly. I get it. Especially him. If you're there, you got to be PC. That's why a lot of these guys, excuse me, that are no longer there, it's an issue. Bro, I ain't trying to say, I'm there longer there. It's an issue. Bro, I ain't trying to

say, I'm there to work. It's not a zoo. It's not an amusement park. Jerry's World is an amusement park. Oh, it is for them. It is for him. But normally that's a place of work. We're going to work. Hold on.

How many times do you hear players say, let's keep the main thing, the main thing? But the main thing, the main thing to them is these tours and the money that it generates. Because I saw it had a package. You can play $30. You can play $50 or $70 or $90.

It's just all the time. So you mean to tell me you couldn't do this on a Saturday? You can't do this on a Mondayurday you can't do this on a monday you got to do this on a work day because yeah they're like oh i get a chance to see i got a chance to see i saw the back of dax head and that's why this guy because he's doing it when the players are actually there then you can ask you can you're asking price could be a little bit more because now you have access to be able to have visual contact or maybe even speak to the players so it's different.

So basically, Jerry's World is no different than Jurassic Park when they had the tour. Goddamn movie. Yes. Same concept. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators

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