Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Anthony Davis returns, Juju Watkins injury, and Duke's tournament to lose

Episode Date: March 30, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap Best of Hoops Moments of the week, including Anthony Davis returning from injury, Juju Watkins out with an ACL injury, Cooper Flagg & Duke continuing to show their dominance in this year's March Madness tournament & much more!04:20 - Anthony Davis returns against Nets07:44 - Doc Rivers sounds off about playoffs wins18:50 - Juju Watkins goes down vs Mississippi State20:31 - All March Madness brackets busted27:44 - Cooper Flagg leads Duke against Baylor31:11 - Player complaints over overinflated balls36:42 - March Madness is here(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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six rebounds, three assists, six of nine field goals in 27 minutes. And look, I don't know how many, I don't know how many players the Lakers

would have traded AD for but you gotta trade in for Luka there ain't a whole lot of players a team won't trade it's reported that they called Minnesota by Ant-Man, no

it's reported they called Milwaukee by Giannis no they're not getting Yolk. I'm trying to think, can you name another player? You probably couldn't get, I wouldn't break up JT and JB. But other than that,

you don't have anybody here. Everybody's a green light. Everybody else is a green light. Everybody else is a green light. So you can't feel bad and y'all know what i think of ad i love ad i like him and bron together because he was the last line of defense he could pick he could guard pretty much one through five he was tremendous in the picket roll right excellent excellent help side defense could give you 25 and 12 on a nightly basis. But 32-year-old AD versus 26-year-old Luca.

Yeah. And then, obviously, an injury-prone AD, which has always been an issue of his, not being able to get on the court, but understanding what he gives you once he's on the court. But the problem is, is you make the trade. It happens. but the problem is, is you make the trade, it happens, he comes out, he gives you the AD you used to, but not enough consistency to be able to stay on the court

to make the fans feel like, okay, you know what, we let Luka go, but we still got AD. He's still able to come here and produce, he's not Luka, you know, by any means,

but he's still a quality player that can put butts in the seats and be productive night in and night out when he's on the court. Yes. You see him come back and have a good game tonight, you know, before, until he gets his legs up underneath him, gets acclimated to the

speed of the game and gets himself back in rhythm, you know, so still decent tonight, though. Yeah, that's one of the reasons, Ocho. When he stays healthy, we've seen him last year. I think he played like 70-plus games, which are those games he's played in a very long time. We know what AD can do.

He's as skilled as anybody. He can shoot the three. Now, he's not shooting 40%, but he got the three ball in his repertoire. Mid-range game. Can post it. Can put it on the floor. Can finish at the rim, above the rim your father you're gonna go to the free throw line he's gonna make 80 plus percent of his free throws so obviously and we know he's one of the two or three best defensive players in all of basketball

right we're not even that's not even up for debate but like you said his injury history made it real easy plus his age made it real easy for the lego to say you know what luca for luca for uh ad plus we got another decade of luca and we need superstar in order to attract because you look at that when you look at their court side and you look at everybody else court side only the knicks can rival it yeah it's different it's different. It's different. And it's always been different. It's always going to be different. And that's what you need to attract those stars to come out and watch. It's a little dark.

River says he doesn't get enough credit for winning three games in a playoff series where he blew three, one leads. No one tells the real story. And I'm fine with that. It's unfair in some ways. I don't get enough credit for winning those three games. I get credit for losing. I always say,

what if we had lost to Houston in six? No one cares. One thing that I'm proud of is that we've never been swept. All coaches have been swept in the playoffs. My team achieved. A lot of them overachieved. And I'm proud of that. Did he say this out loud?

Yeah. I'm not sure. Hold on. He said this so somebody could write it? Wait, is this really his quote I mean Yeah Are we Are we happy about Are we happy about losing

But the fact that we didn't Get swept Is that Is that satisfying Is this some type of Moral victory or something It's more embarrassing That you had a 3-1 lead

And you couldn't win Another game Hey I just want to know how you feel about it. But they know how to... Come on, man. You know what? I wouldn't even say nothing. I'd say, yeah,

that's on me. Yes, I've had a 3-1 lead in five or six series and we weren't able to get it done. I've got to do a better job of putting my players in position so we can get it done. I would have never ever said I don't get enough credit for winning three games because it's not a best of five. Doc, you came in and there used to be a best of five.

As a matter of fact, I'm old enough to remember there used to be a best of three. Yes, there were a best of three. And because you had a best of three, a best of five, the Eastern Western Conference was the best of seven. Because you had a best of three, a best of five. The Eastern Western Conference was the best of seven. So was the NBA Finals. So, Doc, if you had won three games and a best of five, you got a ton of credit. Yeah.

But in a seven-game series, it's the first of four, not the first of three. Doc said that. Doc said that out loud. I'm just Do you know what Also I'm just I just want to ask you

Do you really think This is his quote Is it from a reliable source Yeah it's him He's talking Yes It's in quotes Yeah that's what he said

It's to Mark Spears He said No one tells the real story And I'm fine with that It's unfair in some ways I don't get enough credit For getting those three wins You don't get credit For for getting those three wins.

You don't get credit for winning games. You get credit for winning series. If it's the NCAA, you get credit for winning games. One in one shot. Not in a series, not where it takes four. Come on, Doc.

Doc is too much of a student of the game doc has too much basketball high level iq to ever say something like this to have it printed lord have mercy uh-oh how do oh joe that'd be like that would be the equivalent of DQ said hey I don't get enough credit for having a 28-3 lead on the page interest

I don't get enough credit for that because I did have a lead how many coaches ever had a 25 point lead in the Super Bowl what good is that you lost yeah that's the same thing when the Houston

or the Oilers had that big lead against Buffalo. A lead? You're talking about a lead. Not winning the game, but we had a lead. It's even more embarrassing that in the first to four,

you won three games and you lost the series still i don't know i i need i need more context to the to the conversation because the way it's being worded doesn't sound like come on doc would you really say something like that would you work yeah credit for winning because he has the most three he has the most blown 3-1 leads in NBA history. He's saying, y'all not giving me credit for winning three games. Nah, that ain't the way it works. Hey, nobody give a hoot stick credit.

Hold on, that ain't the way it works, though. In nothing, in nothing you're doing life. He had against the Celtics in 23, a 3-2 lead, lost. 2020 against the Nuggets in the bubble, 3-1 lead, lost. 2015, the Rockets, he was at the Clippers at the time, lost. 2012 against the Heat, 3-2 lead, lost. 2010 against the Lakers, 3-2, lost. 2009 against the Magic, 3-2, lost. 2009, against the Magic, 3-2, lost.

2003, Pistons, 3-1, lost. My goodness. Listen. What are we supposed to do with that, Ochoa? The difficulties of being a coach. The difficulties of being a coach. The difficulties of being a head coach at the highest level. Here's the question.

The question Mark Spears asked him, how do you deal with all the criticism you've received from the media and on social media from losing 3-1 series leads four times? Doc quote was a direct response to what he was asked by mark j spears yeah how do you feel with all the criticism you received from the media and on social media so i guess ain't nobody else criticizing huh you don't think other coaches talk about damn doc you don't think players say so what you think i get it blaming the media right blame so blame social media so but we're the only one ain't no player as a matter of fact what happened when he lost the clippers 3-1 lead and i guess management blamed

him too they got him up out of there got Got him there. Yeah. Okay. Philly. What did they do? They got him up out of there. So I guess it ain't just the media and social media. So I have. If it's Moses. So hold on.

Hold on. Hold on now. Hold on. Now I have a question. I think now the opportunities given when it comes in the NFL is a little bit different as opposed to the NBA. Now he's continues to get jobs for a reason. Exactly. So you can't say.

Yeah. He's a great coach. He's a great coach. He has to be great at something that he does because there's a reason you continue to have all these jobs despite the losses that are happening at important times, at the wrong times. Yeah.

And they're letting you go, but you get the job somewhere else right away like it's nothing. So there's something special about him. Right. Hmm. I don't like that answer, though. No, nobody likes that answer.

If he can take it back, if he can read the quote now with a little bit of clarity and understanding. He can read. Let me finish. I guarantee he'll read it differently. He'll read it differently.

I'm telling you, you see how you, in your right state of mind, are sitting here reading it and then getting better context on what it was? Yeah. Yeah. Hey.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's put up. Cause we want to put some more comments because you think he was taken out of context. He had no idea. No, I know it wasn't.

Cause once you told me what the question was that, that gave me a better understanding. It was a direct question. So the answer and the quote was literally direct based on, you know, sometimes, you know, sometimes at least.

OK, how about this here? It is what it is. It's a part of my legacy. There's nothing I can do about it. I got a team that was the eighth seed of 3-1. That's coaching. That's not bad coaching. There are several eighths that have actually won. The Denver Nuggets was the first eighth seed. They beat the Seattle Supersonics, who was the number one seed. But we'll talk about that later. The one with the Clippers is the only one that got away. But people don't realize that Chris Paul was running on one

leg in 2015 with the Clippers. And we also, the underdog in that series, when you think about it, Houston had home court, not us. So let me get, it was good enough. You got, you beat them twice on

their home court. To get a three, to get a twice on their home court. Mm-hmm. To get a 3-1 lead. Right. So he was on one leg. So one leg got you a 3-1 lead. One leg couldn't get you another win. Okay.

Mm. Okay, how about this? We didn't have home court. Well, it goes road to your first two games at the, if you're the underdog,

that means the first two games at their home. So that means in order for you to get a 3-1 lead, you had to have won one game on their court.

It's on your resume, Doc doc i think the best thing could have said hey look it's a part of it's it's a part of me i wish maybe i could have done something different right uh call different plays put players in different situations but to say i don't get enough credit for winning three games when it's a four-game series, when it's a seven-game series and it's the first of four, not the first of three, he got to miss me with that one. Yeah. He got to miss me with that one. So, sorry, Doc.

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She appeared to have gotten tangled up with a Mississippi State player. She immediately went down, grabbed her right knee visibly in pain. A foul was called on the Mississippi State. Chandler Prater. Prater. Prater. Damn. Oh, my goodness.

That just happened? It did. Damn. It did. Oh, damn. Okay. damn oh my goodness that just happened it did damn it did oh damn okay man

oh my goodness she's screaming it didn't look good oh my damn mm mm mm mm It didn't look good. Oh, my. Thanks. Mm, mm, mm, mm. What do you think?

I can't see. What do you think it is? You think it's... I don't even want to speculate, but she grabbed her knee, and she's screaming. She immediately grabbed her knee, and she's screaming. Damn.

Damn. grabbed her knee and she's screaming damn damn I'm hoping for the best though I'm hoping for the best too Ocho I don't want to put that out there let's just say she went down I don't want to put that out there. Let's just say she went down. She did not return to the game. We're going to wait until they give us a diagnosis after this game.

But it didn't look good. Damn. Ocho, March Madness has zero perfect brackets that remain. More than 34 million brackets was entered. None remained perfect. It took 43 games, but number three Kentucky's 84-75 win over number six Illinois busted the final

bracket. So, Ocho, this is the first time that a men's perfect bracket has lasted until the second round since 2019. In 2024, the last perfect men's bracket was busted in the 31st game of the tournament. Are you surprised that there are no perfect brackets remaining? Listen, I'm not surprised because if you look at the odds when it comes to having a perfect bracket and winning prize money or winning something for having the perfect bracket,

I mean, you would know the chance winning something for having the perfect bracket i mean you would know the chance of of winning or having the perfect bracket is less likely than actually winning the lotto if i'm not mistaken statistically and if it's like that the chance of having a perfect bracket you would have to almost guess or create multiple brackets at at that to actually have one that goes perfect and have a different scenarios and the way games are going to play out. Because if you look at it, this only comes down to one game. It comes down to one game. I was excited and didn't even create a bracket. I just went on a limb and said, you know what?

Hell, St. John's is going to win the whole thing. And St. John's, they didn't win and lost. They didn't lost in the second round. They didn't lost in the second round. So if I had a bracket, which I didn't, then the goddamn one team I did pick, now they going home. Yep.

And because normally, if your team normally, it's hard for you to win a bracket if the team that you picked up win the tournament gets knocked out early. Because think about all of it, because you had them winning, they got knocked out the round of 32. So now, they don't make the Sweet 16. They don't make the Elite Eight.

They don't make the Final Four. So one side of your bracket is already gone. Unless you're perfect on the other side, it's hard for you to overcome that. But this is why people love marketing management so much, is the uncertainty, the unpredictability of college basketball. Because you're not dealing with professionals here, Ochoa. You're dealing with kids. You're dealing with 18 to 20, 21-year-old kids, maybe some are a little older now because of the portal and what we had with COVID. So sometimes the kids are 22, 23 years of age, but you're not dealing with professionals,

although some of them are getting paid. So I guess you would theoretically consider them professionals. But when you look at it like that, Ocho, I'm not surprised. I'm surprised they haven't been more upset. You don't think so? Yeah, yeah. Normally, I don't think we had, we didn't have any like, what, 13, 14 seeds that upset anybody this year. Normally, we have a 13, a 14th seed, a 15th seed that would upset somebody?

It's just hard now, Ocho, because the freshmen, if you're really good, you leave. And the portal guys going back to going to one school here and didn't like the amount of playing time or they got into it with coaches or whatever the case may be. And so now, guys, the talent is spread. Guys are not just going to Carolina, Duke, and Kentucky, and Kansas. Guys are spreading out. UConn, even though they lost today to Florida. But that's what happens.

That's what happens. And you're going to start to see this, I think, a little bit more in football also, Ocho, the unpredictability of college football because the guys are starting to spread out. Because you know what? There are a lot of teams that got money. Now, they might not have as much as Ohioio state or say michigan or alabama georgia but hey considering i was gonna get nothing that i can get 200 300 000 that's pretty good money for an 18 year old that's entering college i know when i when i think about it you talk about the landscape and how the

dynamic of of the playing field is somewhat even because players are going everywhere i think when it comes to college football i I think that's already happened. I think it's already happened. You think of the days when the Hurricanes or Florida Gators and the Seminoles used to absolutely dominate collegiate football and get all the great players, especially from down here in Florida, as opposed to now. Listen, the kids out of Florida and Texas and LA, they're going everywhere. They're going to Ohio State. They're going to Alabama.

Look at Amari Cooper. Look at Jerry Judy. Look at Jeremiah Smith. He's at Ohio State. Yeah. Look at Lamar Jackson. He's from Florida. He went to Louisville.

So where the guys from Florida would normally stay home, they're like, nah, we're going. They're out of there. Yeah, they're out of there. And so, you know, if Florida could actually keep their guys, that's why Florida, Florida State, Miami, the Canes, that's why they were so good because they normally kept that homegrown talent. Now that homegrown talent, they leave. Yeah.

And so Ridley, isn't Calvary Ridley? Yeah, Calvary Ridley. He and his brother, they went out of state. And so you're right, Ocho. I think because the guys are starting to leave and starting to spread out, you're going to see,

you're going to, the likelihood of you seeing the domination that you once saw, I don't know if we're going to see that again. No, it's not going to happen. Listen, unless there's some booster from somewhere that comes along

with an abnormal amount of money. Let's say UM, for example, or Florida State. In order for them to get back to their dominating ways, they have to come into these homes and offer some of these five-star kids or steal players from other schools. Yeah, that's what you're going to need to do, Ocho. Yeah, based on the amount of money they're willing to pay them. Yeah. In order for the Hurricanes or the Seminoles to get back to how it was back in the 90s.

You got to keep all homegrown kids right here within the state. When you look at it, Ocho, and like you said, okay, you got to get a kid that was like, you're like a Jordan Addison. Yeah. He won the Ballet the Cup Award at Pitt, and now he ends up at USC. USC, yeah. Because you got those big movie studio execs and all those guys that went to USC. That's a big film school.

Yeah. Which one of those, is it Katzenberg? Or David Geffen that went to USC? It's one of them because SKG is Spielberg, Katz, and Geffen.

Spielberg, Katzenberg, and Geffen, SKG. But I know one of them got a film school named after at USC. Because they started

Pixar, didn't they? SKG. Spielberg. David Geffen. But that's what you're going to have to have, Ocho. You're going to have to have, like you said, those big guys to have that kind of money. You see Larry Ellison, his wife went to Michigan.

He intervened and got Bryce Underwood to flip from LSU to Michigan. Yeah. DreamWorks, SKG, Spielberg, Katzenberg, and Geffen, right? Which one went to USC? Because one of them has a film school named after him. I think it's David Geffen. But it might be Katzenberg. DreamWorks, yeah, not Pixar.

Cooper Flagg scores 18 points in his second round win over Baylor. The Blue Devils finished the first half on a 12-0 run, and the run didn't slow down after the half, asserting their dominance in an 89-66 win. Cooper Flagg was once again the best player on the court, finishing with 18 points, nine rebounds, six assists, and a block. While Tyrese Proctor added 25 points and shot seven of eight from the three. Duke have been dominant and has shown that they still can win it all.

You're absolutely right, Ocho. They look like the most impressive team that I've seen in the tournament. Hey, from top to bottom, from top to bottom, in every phase on the court, in transition, on offense, on defense. Everything about Duke looks phenomenal. I'm not sure. I think they might be the anomaly. I might be using anomaly in the wrong context in the instance where I'm talking about Duke might be in one of the teams where regardless of what day it is, they probably will beat everybody. I'm not sure who can compete with them or contend with them.

You will probably be better versed and well-knowledged in the game of collegiate basketball to tell me, is there a team that can actually challenge Duke? Based on what I've seen so far and based on what I've seen during the regular season. Right. Hold on for a second. What did you say, all of them went to USC?

All of them have schools named after them. Yeah. That's all. We're not surprised. So that's how USC is able to get, be able to flip, get Jordan Addison after he won the Blitner Cup award at Pitt and get him to come to USC.

But Cooper Flagg, he looked good. I mean, you watched him at high school at Mount Verde, Mount Verde, and he was sensational. And he hadn't disappointed. He looks like he's going to be the presumptuous number one overall pick in this upcoming draft.

Oh, so he's not coming back? Not that he's coming back. You want to go to the NBA. How can you get hired at number one? I can see if he's going to be like end of the lottery pick. He's going to be number one. To do what?

It's so funny watching him play today and watching Cooper Flagg. He just reminded me so much of myself when I was in high school. Our game is very similar. Very similar. He can score from anywhere. Mid-range, put the ball on the floor, take people

on, you know, in the post, back to the basket. I mean, just, he can shoot the three a little bit. I mean, it's just very reminiscent of myself, you know, in high school back in 1991. It's a joy to watch. It's a joy to watch.

Somebody say Cooper Flagg is the best prospect since LeBron. Did you not just see Wimby come out last year? So he's a better prospect than Wimby. You feel comfortable saying that? No. Hey, listen, one thing about us in general, people, in general society, we are prisoners of the moment.

Absolutely. Whatever is hot right now, that's what it is. And you forget about some of the moment absolutely whatever whatever is hot right now that's what it is and you forget about some of the great players that have come in the past hey nigga my dog tidy what's up baby well you could yay you couldn't let you couldn't let me get no more no more moments huh you tight as he said my auntie said my auntie had me for 10 days and uh i was ready for her to leave ocho so she'd be stingy so she don't want to be sharing no chicken tenders she'll share nothing so i was ready for her to go inflate gate ocho players are complaining about overinflated basketballs here's a list of the players that have spoken out about the absurdity of the ball

over inflation in the ncaa tournament game oh come on man you know you had sam decker colby bray cole uh colvin hawkins uh joseph gerard the third don't connect last year armando baycott uh hunter dixon um what do you think ocho is this something or nothing man i mean to me honestly it's nothing i wouldn't be complaining about the ball. When you were growing up, sometimes you had to worry, but you had no control over the conditions, huh? You're playing outdoor, you're playing indoor. Sometimes there's no net.

Sometimes there's a net. Sometimes there's a chain net. Sometimes there's a double rim. Sometimes the ball is flat. Sometimes the ball is full. Either way, you adapt. You make the adjustments necessary. Now you see what I mean?

Now we got players that done got to college. Now they complain about the goddamn ball and forgetting how we grew up. Well, I'm not sure how they grew up. Everybody had a silver spoon based on this era that's in college right now. Listen, I ain't even had no shoes. I had the hoop and P class and a pair of chucks. Everybody's hooping chucks. I know, but I'm just saying,

I'm still hooping the chucks, and they talk about, oh, the ball is too much, and the ball. Man, if you don't go out there and play basketball and adjust and adapt to the goddamn ball,

what are you talking about? Man, hey, boy, that was the chat that saw me, boy. Boy, back in 1990? Yeah, you look like you played in the 60s the way you hold that basketball oh i have an unorthodox grip you hear me i got an unorthodox grip i have an unorthodox game you do so do you uh let me ask you a question do you think that

you think there's something to this what should the the NCAA, should they look into it? Should they check the ball? Hey, honestly, honestly, as a player, I'm just saying as a competitor, I wouldn't care about that. That's just me. Now I can't speak on behalf of the players. If they're saying maybe the ball has too much air in it. I mean, maybe it does. Should that affect your game in any way? No. When you shoot the ball, don't hit the rim. When you put the ball on the floor, you know what to do with it. No air, a lot of air, it shouldn't matter. It shouldn't affect anything.

That's just me. I ain't complaining about no damn ball. I'm going out there and I'm for the hoop. If you're a true hooper, now I'm talking about a true hooper. If you're a true hooper, you adapt regardless of circumstance. I ain't telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know. You think the player that go to rugby park, they complain about the ball having too much air?

Well, I think sometimes these arenas are bigger than what they normally play. And I think, you know, you heard nba player saying you got to get used because the depth perception because you you know you used to play it and now they're playing in multi-purposes arena and so maybe maybe that has something to do with maybe the ball could be over inflated it's a little you know go ahead i have a question don't they have shoot around in college football and college basketball too right yeah there's plenty time to make the necessary adjustments to your game to your skill set based on the balls that you were using me personally i'm just saying they have a right to complain and just something i wouldn't complain about before we have a football game what does the

coach say to go do two hours before the game? Go out there and test the what? Test your shoes. So you know what shoes you need to wear because you might have to make the necessary adjustments based on the field you're playing on. Yep. Come on, man.

We talking about the ball having too much air, man. We ain't even had no air in our balls in PE back in the 80s. And I made do just like that. Talk about the ball got too much air in it. Man, child, please, man.

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Listen to Ali and me, now on Audible. We will get into March Madness. I'm going to show you this a little later. Day one of March Madness. I'm going to show you this a little later. Day one of March Madness. In the books. Hey, got an upset already, Ocho. The biggest upset of the tournament thus far. McNeese, number 12, McNeese State.

Over number five, Clemson, 69-67. McNeese became the 47th number 12 seed to win a first round game since 1979 and in the process won his first NCAA tournament game in school history. The performance comes in wake of coach Will Wade's agreement. He's leaving McNeese at the end of the tourney run to become the head coach of the Wolfpack of NC State. But Wade's transparency with his players and the mission that he had contact with NC State did not become a distraction. He said, Ocho, do you think him leaving propelled his team to spring this upset?

Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe so. But listen, you know, when it comes to basketball, it's one game. It's not a seven-game series. It's not a five or six-game series. You go out there and what team shows up that pacific day your ranking don't matter it don't matter what you've done during the regular season once it comes to marsh madness you got one shot one shot to get it right and they got it right maybe there might have been some type of motivation behind coach them knowing coach is leaving and you want to send him out the right

way. And if this is any testament to that, kudos to them. Yeah, they played really well. Ocho, the thing is that there's a difference between truth and transparency. You see, the truth is

you ask me a question, I tell you the truth. Transparency is you telling me a question. I tell you the truth Transparency is you telling me something that I didn't even ask We just started the show Hey, I am a star, you know, I'm a star Oh Joe, we're gonna get into the show. Oh, Joe. I'm going to get into the show. You're coming out with hot fire already. Give me that.

Come on, now. Come on. Don't do me like that. Give me that one more time. I got to write that down. I'm telling you. That transparency line was unbelievable. Truth is telling you. You ask me a question.

I tell you the truth. Transparency is telling you something you didn't even ask me. I'm being transparent. You don't even know. See, if you ask if you tell me something, blah, blah, blah, so forth, so on. Yeah, this is what I did. But let me tell you something else that you didn't know. That's being transparent.

And there's a difference between the two. And so I thank him even before they found out. He was like, look, guys, I've had contact. There's a possibility I could be leaving you guys and going somewhere else. And I think that plays a large part. That's what transparency is. People say transparent.

I want you to be transparent. Now I think that's a good definition of good understanding is telling someone something they didn't even ask now you're being transparent and so I think this definitely helped but like you said Ocho in a game of this magnitude when one shot and that's one shining moment you I just got to be better than you for the day. I got to be better. I got to be a better team. I just got to be better than you today. Two hours. That's it.

That's it. And they were. But I think that's why people love March Madness so much, Ocho, because realistically anything can happen on that Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And people like that because the underdog like, man, my team really got a chance to be the Duke, to be the North Carolina, to be the Clemson, to be the UCLA or one of these blue blood programs, Kentucky, Kansas. My team, you know what?

My team did that. My team really, truly have the chance to do that. And listen, there's a reason to call it March and the last word is madness because ain't no telling

what's going to happen regardless of seating, regardless of the conference, regardless of how small your program may be. All it take is what team is showing up that day

for two hours. A team get a lot, Ocho, I think for me, a team get hot. And you know, a team get hot, they make 10, 11, 12 threes in a college game? That's huge. They go on the run, all of a sudden, they can't miss. We've seen it before. We've seen Villanova pull the upset over Georgetown. We've seen NC State take down 5 Slamma Jamma in 1984.

No, that was 83. 83, excuse me. 83, the Wolfpack took them down. Because in 84, Georgetown won. Georgetown beat Houston that year because that was the year Akeem ended up turning pro. But yeah, oh, got another one, Ocho.

Drake is headed to the second round. The Bulldogs just upset Missouri 67-57. I believe that's a number 11 took down a number six earlier we had a number 12 took down a number five I think the thing is we're waiting for that we're waiting for that 116 215 314 because like like the and the note said earlier 47 times of 12 is taking down number five. So we've gotten kind of like, we expect 112 to take down a five seed

in the first round. I mean, we go into the thing. I mean, so when we get this, even though it is an upset because you're ranked five, the other team is ranked 12, 11 versus a six, we're expecting this now because we've seen it happen so much over the years. So we're not this now because we've seen it happen so much over the years so we're not we're not nearly as shocked but now when we get a 116 we gotta get a 215 we got a 314 now they're like whoa whoa whoa what's really going on what's really going on but who upsets early i wonder how many

perfect brackets that we still have honestly, you would have to make multiple brackets, make multiple brackets with multiple scenarios for your bracket to be right. There's no way in hell people are guessing the bracket on one shot with some of the upsets and getting it right. Because if you are, and if you're able to do it, and you're out there and your bracket is still intact today, you need to give me the numbers to make a millions in the lotto and pick and pick five please please do i mean you the first round is really not that hard because i think warren buffett had a had a thing that if you compete a perfect bracket and pick the uh national

champ you'll get a billion dollars but But that ain't going to happen. You've got a better chance of winning the lottery than picking a perfect bracket all the way through and getting the national champion right. You've got a better chance. I mean, think about it, Ocho. Every single round from 64 to 32 to 16 to 8 to 4. Listen, you get that right, that ain't none but God's grace and fable that ain't none but that well you better let God pick it

you better not pick it you better let him pick it you better let him fill out your you better let him fill out your bracket Ocho the number 8 the Zags beat number 9 Georgia Bulldogs 89-68

the Zags look to be drastically underseeded as the number eight made easy work over the Georgia Bulldogs. Gonzaga has now played 26 straight NCAA tournament games. Georgia was playing for the first time since 2015. One team looked very, very comfortable

on this stage. The other team did not. The Jags jumped out to a 27-3 lead and never looked back. Georgia had 13 turnovers, shot just 5 of 26 from the three, including back-to-back air balls at one point in the first half. They trailed by 25 points on multiple occasions. Look, I think didn't Gonzaga just play for the national championship a couple of years ago?

And, you know, they have really good players. They had Jalen Sugg come out of there, or Timmy, or Chet Holmgren. Didn't Gonzaga just play for the national championship a couple of years ago? And, you know, they have really good players. They had Jalen Suggs come out of there, or Timmy, or Chet Holmgren. So they've had Rui Hachimura. They've had some guys, some really good players, come out of Gonzaga. So I'm not surprised. I definitely would, even though they were a higher seed, I would have picked the Zags to beat the Bulldogs. Absolutely.

I mean, you've been there that many times. I don't think anybody's surprised that the Zags. Probably the only people that picked them were Bulldog fans. On Saturday, get ready to see how good the Zags are. They'll try to beat the top-seeded Houston Cougars to make their 10th. Hey, now that's going to be a good one. Now that's going to be a good one. Now that's going to be a good one. We got to be able to have that pressure.

Drew Timmy. That's who. Oh. What, what, what? Number 10, Arkansas, Razorbacks. Took down the number seven Kansas Jayhawks 79-72 in a game of runs between two championship coaches

7 seed Kansas escaped the win with 8 ties and 10 different lead changes the number 10 Arkansas Razorbacks used a 7-0 run to give coach John Calipari a 79-72 victory over the Jayhawks and built himself in the Providence Road Island.

What do you think? I mean, Coach Caleb, he got the criticisms became a little bit unbearable because, hold up, bro, every year, think about all the first-round draft picks that you've had, all the number one overall draft picks that you've had, and you've only got one national championship to show. And Kentucky is about championships. Coach Ruff, Tubby Smith, Rick Pitino, even Calum's that one.

But you got number one overall pick Anthony Davis. You got Carl Anthony Towns. You got Boogie Covey. You got number one John Wall. You got Shea Gildress. You got Tyler Hero. You got Jamal Murray. You got Devin Booker.

You got Vanderbilt. Come on, Carl. Listen, it's been a farm You got the Vanderbilt. Come on, come on. Listen, it's been a farm system for them. It's been a farm system for them. In and out with number one picks, some of the greatest, not only to play collegiate football, but some of the greatest also in the NBA. But also, Uncle, you got to think about it. Think about who they were losing to.

They weren't losing to no scrub. They're also losing to other players that play well collectively as a group. Now, we name in one-offs of great players that happen to be on a team, but the team that they lost to... But you do realize that John Wall and Boogie Cousins were on the same team, right? Oh, yeah, they were on the same team,

but that's the key word that you heard me say. The team that they lost to played together collectively as a group, much better than them as a head of monster. So... The team that's beating them played together collectively as a group, much better than them. They've been longer. As a head of muster. So. Sophomore, the team that's beating them are sophomores, juniors, and seniors sprinkled in where they're just one and done. And look, try to learn how to play together.

Because all these guys, Murray was the guy. Book was the guy. Hero was the guy. All these guys were the guy. Now you're asking all these five stars to come together. And says, okay, bro, for the common good, hey, do what you need. It's hard. It's really hard because everybody has the same ambition is to go play in the NBA.

But in order to get there, you're going to have to have sacrifices. And it's hard. I mean, you look at the teams that win, they got juniors and seniors sprinkled in there. Look at UConn. You got that. I mean, you look at the teams that win, they got juniors and seniors sprinkled in there. Look at UConn. They're not as deep as far as juniors and seniors, and they're struggling. Obviously, they don't have the same talent. You lose Klingon, then you lose Castle, you lose some of these other guys, and so you're going to struggle.

But Coach Cal got it done in Arkansas's first win in the tournament as head coach of Arkansas. We know he was at a lot of different places. Where was he at? UMass. He ended up going to – he was in the NBA. Then he goes to Memphis. Then he goes to Kentucky.

Stayed in Kentucky for a number of years. He did win a national championship. But he moves on and he gets his win there. The number one seed is Auburn and Houston. Both take care of business. Auburn beat Alabama State 83-63. Auburn crews behind 23 points from Miles Kelly and

14 points, 11 rebounds from player of the year candidate Johnny Brone. Setting up Saturday date with the number nine Creighton. Houston will play SIU Edwardsville. Oh, they beat SIU Edwardsville 78-40.

Kevin Sampson was able to rest his starter for much of the second half after building a 28-point lead in the first half. No starter played more than 23 minutes. Houston has been haunted by injuries in the NCAA tournament the last three years, but it cruised into the second round with his entire rotation intact.

So, no surprise. I mean, I think some people, a lot of people probably got Houston going all the way through, at least advancing to the Elite Eight, if not the Final Four. Now listen, who did you say Houston has coming up? They play Gonzaga on Saturday, right? Yes.

Okay. Listen, I ain't no telling what's gonna happen huh it is one day but hughes houston is good houston is very very good but again it's called march madness for a reason the volume i'm michael cassin founder and ceo of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen.

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