Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Brandon Aiyuk upset, Dallas Cowboys unimpressive, Jerry Jones woes

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocino" Johnson recap Week 4 of the NFL season. Top stories include San Francisco 49ers Brandon Aiyuk throwing a tantrum after HC Kyle Shanahan asked him to change his shorts, Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys unimpressive win on Thursday Night Football against Daniel Jones and the New York Giants, Jerry Jones saying it's "fair" to blame him for Cowboys struggles and much more!03:18 - Should Brandon Aiyuk have changed his shorts?09:30 - Cowboys vs. Giants28:29 - The Cowboys can sell themselves(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Brandon Iyuk looked like he, they were saying he threw a tantrum, but he and Kyle Shanahan had a healthy conversation when Kyle told him to change his shorts and switch black to black. Ayuk eventually did after talking with Shanahan, but as you can see, he did so reluctantly. I like the red on red. He trying to match. There's no, huh?

Nah. Not when everybody else got on black. Everybody else got on black. Everybody else got on black. What you notice, Ocho? Yeah. That issue was never going to fly. This ain't no all-tournament team. This ain't the Pro Bowl where you wear your own helmet.

Nah, this ain't what that is. I mean, but I don't get the reluctant Ocho. You look down at yourself like, damn, I'm the only one that got on Maroon? I mean but I don't get the reluctant Ocho you don't you look down at yourself like damn I'm the only one that got on maroon everybody that's got on black and you thought that was gonna be okay and I saw people in the comments talking about

oh is that why they're losing y'all I can tell y'all never been a part of it it's a little nitpicky but I understand what you're talking about I've been a part of that I've been a part of that structured environment where you got to dress the same, wear the same

thing. One band, one sound. It's a team sport. I understand, but if they were winning, if they were 3-0, if they was 4-0, man, Shanahan wouldn't care about them goddamn shorts. No, he wouldn't.

When things aren't going well, everything If you 6-0, could you do that in New England? If you could do that in New England? If you 6-0, could you come out there and do it? Hey, you know the, what's it called? Hey, Chad, listen to me real quick. Let me tell you something about Bill Belichick in New England. If he ever

played football at any level, you know, in the equipment room where they have the mannequin on how you're supposed to dress? You got the thigh pads and the knee pads and the short pads. You had to dress like that for practice. Man, Bill ain't play that. You had to have thigh pads. You had to have knee pads. You had to have your hip pads.

Man, Bill was tripping. Game day, you could do what you want to do. Man, Bill had me out there like I was at Liberty City Optimus or something. Every pad in. It was so funny. And you had to have every pad in or he sent you back in. He sent

you back in. Mike, however you play in. Mike, Mike, however you play in the game, that's how you can dress up. Bill ain't play that boy. Oh, no. Yes. So, because we were one of the first teams. I got it from Ricky Jackson. Ricky Jackson was the first person I ever

saw that had no thigh pads, no knee pads, no pads. Ricky pads were clean. And I was like, man, Ricky Jack did it. Hell, I'm going to do it. So we started, myself and Ed, and then because we cut all, we cut the lining out and everything, had holes all in the side, and then they started sending them to professional tailors,

and that's why they looked like they were spandex. That's why they looked so smooth, because we ended up sending them to the tailor, and they doctored them to professional tailors and that's why they looked like they were spandex. That's why they looked so smooth because we ended up sending them to the tailor and they doctored them like that. But ain't no way in hell you are not coming out there. If Mike said we're going to have on this, everybody, it's a team

sport. You're going to have on that. I don't give a damn if you're John Elway. I don't care if you're TD. It didn't matter. If Mike said we're coming out there in blue shorts, you bring your ass out there in the morning shorts if you're John Elway. I don't care if you're TD. It didn't matter. If Mike say we coming out there in blue shorts, all right, you bring your ass out there in the morning shorts if you want to or some grades. No, Mike ain't playing. And Kyle is just like his dad.

He was never, I don't know what Brandon Ayuk felt. The moment, hey, I about to have him on on show, but the minute I hit that door and I saw everybody had on black shorts, I'd have turned my black ass right back around and we got them black shorts. He had them underneath.

Because I already know how this is going to end. Good. Yeah. The 49ers play tomorrow? He go... Huh? If the 49ers play tomorrow... I'm sure they do.

If Brandon and I have a good game, he got to have a good game. Because if he doesn't have a good game, he's going to have a good game. They play the Patriots. He's going to have a good game. And if he doesn't, they're going to go back. It might still

come out there. It might still come out there. Guarantee you. Oh, no. I don't care how going to come out there. Guarantee you. Oh, no. I don't care how – he can go for 200. He's not going to dress – I'm just saying, if he doesn't play well, I'm just saying I can see the media jumping on him about incidents.

You know how we are. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see it. Oh, the structure is very – man, look. Coach Davis is telling us, look look this ain't no all tournament team ain't nobody hey y'all ain't finna dress out here like this here somebody dressing like that no we ain't finna do that

this is a team we gonna have structure we gonna have discipline and what I say everybody you know how this thing work offense got a certain color jersey defense got a certain color jersey quarterback got his own color jersey. Defense got a certain color jersey. And the quarterback got his own color jersey. Now, Mike Wood,

don't you touch him. Touch him if you want to. Like Coach Davis said, hey, son, can you play quarterback? Well, stop effing hitting that one. But you understand but you understand structure in a team setting you don't want anything

hold on chat what's up chat how y'all doing chat shit I love y'all chat call me if y'all need me 786-235-5412 you know I'm here for you what the hell?

Hey, you know what he look like? He's supposed to be in the bed. He look like Alf. Remember Alf? What? He look like Alf. Yeah, I do remember Alf. Hey, Willie.

Hey, hey. You're supposed to be in the bed. Where you up? Ocho, the game that, it was football. It wasn't a whole lot. It left a lot to be desired. The Cowboys beat division rival Giants 20 to 15. The Cowboys improved to two and two

while the Giants fall to one and three. Again, the Cowboys win 20 to 15. Dak 22 of 27, two 21, two touchdowns, zero interceptions. They ran the ball. They had 80 yards on 23 carries. So it's nothing to write home about, Ocho. Let's not get overexcited. The Giants, Daniel Jones was 29 of 40, 281.

He had an interception at the end of the ballgame. Didn't really matter. They had 24 tips for 26 yards, Ocho. But, Ocho, when I look at this game, there are like three throws that if that's another quarterback, the Giants probably win this game. He had neighbors.

They ran a tremendous route, had Diggs beat, and he was behind Hooker. And he hung the ball up. They knock it down. He had Slayton on the goal ball. Slayton on the right yes against the young boy oh so you remember they had a dick they had an end and and and people like well he should have caught the ball but i'm not getting into it with people that never caught the ball for a living so

you and i about to have a conversation like when i put my foot in the dirt and i'm driving directly back to the quarterback i'm expecting the ball to be here. Or if it's low, I can get my body on top of it. If he throws it outside of my body, if it's high, I'm expecting the ball to be right between my numbers or my eyes. I can catch it like this. If it's high and outside, I can do that. When he throws it low and outside, now I got to dive for it.

If the ball doesn't hit my hand it's probably going to hit here and if it hits any part of this it's gone it's incomplete it's gone yeah it's gonna get away from you and that's what i'm trying to explain yes and if he gets pressure i could understand if daniel jones had pressure but he had no pressure on that he has to step and deliver the ball it's two or three throws in this game that got away from him. That's the difference because they're not good enough right now, Ocho, to overcome those types of mistakes, those kind of miscues. If you're like, you know, you're Kansas City,

you're one of these better teams, you could overcome something like that. But as you go along and you play better teams, even then you won't be able to overcome it. But people don't understand. People think, well, hit his hands. Bro, stop it. Stop it. I know y'all have heard and everybody says,

if it hits your hands, you should catch it. Well, if you didn't catch balls for a living, and a lot of people that talk about it didn't catch balls for a living, stop. Pause. Stop. Yeah. Hey, listen, it's a very difficult catch for those of you that don't know.

To have an errant throw like that when you're trying to drive back to the quarterback and he throws it away from where you're going to and you have to adjust your body, it's a very, very difficult catch. Because it's low and outside, Ocho. Yeah. Now, there are some receivers who can probably make it that are natural pass catchers of the ball. Natural pass catchers can probably adjust and make that catch. But for most of the receiving in the league, it's a very, very difficult catch.

Again, Unk, like you said, you're not going to win games like this. I think if the Cowboys, the Cowboys didn't look that good tonight. I think they looked, they played decent. And if it was any other team outside of the Giants, I have five of the field goals, at least two of those or maybe three of those might've been touchdowns in the game would have been different. The game would have been different and another team would have won, but the Giants, listen, Daniel Jones has to make some of those,

some of those throws. The one in Malik Nabors should have been six. The one to Slayton should have easily been six if he hadn't underthrown it. Those were layups. You can't miss them. If we can get some consistency at the quarterback position in New York

with the weapons he got, they will be fine. But right now, the quarterback is costing him a little bit. He cost him a lot of it. Getting him down in the red zone. He cost him a lot of it. Because, Ocho, the thing is they're not good enough to overcome that. See, the thing is when you're challenged offensively,

I've been in a situation. I played on the 2000 Ravens. We were challenged offensively but what we did when we got you in the right defense we had you were in the wrong defense we had the right play call we punished you we had to because we couldn't miss throws because we weren't that good oh we weren't tonight we weren't the uh uh uh the 98 uh minnesota where they had chris card and randy musk and all those guys. We weren't the Patriots in what was that, 07?

We weren't the Broncos in 2013. We weren't that. So you have to understand who and what you are. And when the opportunity presents itself, I just remember, look, anytime somebody made a mistake, we had to make them pay. And if we made a mistake, Brian used to always look. If we make a mistake, let's just make sure we hold on to the ball. If somebody whiffs a block, quarterback, and you get hit flush,

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Now on the flip side, Ocho, we catch you in the wrong defense. If we got the right play call, we've got to hit our head on the goalpost because we're not going to get that many opportunities and we're not going to go out there and score 30 points a game. It's going to be a nip-tuck ball game. We make one or two plays and we're going to turn it over to our defense.

That is the way the Giants are. The Giants are not good enough offensively. They can't run the ball well enough. Their quarterback is not consistent enough. Malik Nabors is going to look fantastic. I like Wanda Robinson. Slayton is what he is. But I think he's good enough.

But the quarterback position is not. You can't miss those throws. They're too routine. They're too routine for you to miss, and you're not good enough to overcome them. Yeah. And also, the refs need to get out of the way, huh? That first half? Oh, that wasn't no face mask.

They called face masks on the wrong damn guy. Man, listen. They threw more yellow flags, boy. More yellow flags than Big Bird got feathers. You hear me? The rest were all in the way of the game in the first half. I didn't know what in the world was going on. But other than that, listen, it was a snooze fest, no disrespect.

And if you look at the Cowboys' schedule, I think the Cowboys' next three games, they're going to have to play better than they did tonight. I know they won. It feels good to be at 500 going into week four. That is, that's, that's, that's a good thing.

It's a positive thing, you know, to be above 500 or at 500 for that matter, but it's not going to get any easier. No, it's not going to get any. No, I just think the thing is,

is that when you, when you're in a situation like the giant social, when you're challenged offensively i i don't think their defense are world beaters but they play they play well enough you know i i love a thibodeau i love uh uh lawrence um i think i think there's a lot of players well they got to get a dory back a dory a dory a dory's hurt right now. And they got some other pieces that are out right now as far as the secondary is concerned. Once they get them boys back, I think they solid. You know, they not the best defense in the league,

but they can play some goddamn good ball, especially with that front. You know, they got up there with Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns. Yeah, Burns. Yeah, they can pressure the quarterback. You got two rushers. Lawrence can collapse the pocket from inside.

They're decent. I think their front four is the strength of their defense. I think that's where they're going to, you know, make their hay. That's where they're going to be like, okay, guys, we've got to win up front in order for us to have a chance at the second, you know, the linebacker core and the back end. But we have to do what we need to do up front um but at the end of the day your quarterback can't miss no throws ojo he just can't yeah i'm sorry uh and guys i don't you know i'm not trying to you know

it was 2015 and maybe i'll take consolation in that and see the thing is with me is ojo when i look at a game i don't watch the sound I'm not looking at right they scored a touchdown yay I'm looking at why you score okay the ball is incomplete I'm looking at why it's incomplete I'm looking at a situation that's a coverage I'm like bro what why in that coverage you have to understand well like and people got mad at me I was like bro I understand that's quite well if AJ but that wasn't't AJ. You know that's not AJ. First of all, Devontae is 60 pounds less than AJ. So even if AJ collides him, yeah, it's going to be incomplete.

That's not Devontae game is not physicality. It's finesse. You have to understand that. And in that situation, that down in distance that area the field it's about physicality because you're asking him to cross his face or collide him because the one thing you don't want to happen the best thing is that you score touchdown the second best thing is incomplete the absolute worst thing is what Ocho an interception and they got the absolute there were three things that could have happened and they got the absolute. There were three things that could have happened, and they got the absolute worst.

So when I look at the situation, I'm looking at, I'm telling you, if Daniel Jones make two throws tonight, the Giants win this game. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Either that one of the neighbors or that one of the Slayton. That one of the Slayton should have put the nail in the coffin. That one of the Slayton should have put the nail in the coffin. It's about winning bad at the line.

And then he gave a little nudge, JoJo. Then he gave a little nudge. He got a little more separation. And he going to look at film. Daniel Jones going to look at film. The receiver is going to look at film. And they going to be upset. The coach is going to be upset because they know that's the game they could

have won if not only, listen, we score five field goals. All right? That'll get you beat. But the fact that you missed the throws as well on top of only scoring five, getting five field goals, that ain't going to win you no games. It is not like you're barely in the red zone. You way down there.

I mean, you in the five. You at the five-yard line. And, look, they had a great play called the, what's the five, you at the five-yard line. And look, they had a great play called Overshawn. Made a great play. They had a play to Rondell Robinson. They put him in motion, and they swung him out of the backfield, and he has to come from his inside

linebacker spot, and he has to make a play on the wide receiver. Tip your hat to him. He made an unbelievable play. Because, son, look, you're going to have one-on-one. That's the guy you got to beat. You either run his ass over, or you got to make him miss. play on the wide receiver tip your hat to him he made an unbelievable play because son look you have one-on-one that's the guy you got to beat you either run his ass over you got to make him miss those are your only two options but you can't let him tackle you in the open field that's what they say i'm telling you what they're telling him having been in situations like that having been in offensive meeting room and saying look that's the guy you got two choices you run

his ass over or you make him miss. Those are your only two options because if you do one of those two things, the ball's in the end zone. Other than that, we got to kick a field goal. And what did they do? They kicked a field goal. Give Overshawn credit. He made an unbelievable play.

Unbelievable. But you've got to – you've got – especially because the – if the Cowboys are settled for two field goals, you're right there with them, Ocho. But they got touchdowns. Right. So now you got – think about it. You got four field goals.

They got two touchdowns, and they're in front by two points. That's it. Then they kick attack on another field goal. Now you need a touchdown to take the lead because a field goal won't help you. And that's what I'm telling you because you have to look at the game and like, well, damn, we kicking these field goals. Hey, they got two touchdowns and they got us. They got us right now.

But in that situation, man, Daniel Jones, he has to make those. He just has to, Ocho. He has to. In order for the Jacks not both of them make one of them if not both of those throws make one of them because one of those throws both are touchdowns but just make one of them and the game is completely different yeah i agree completely i agree i agree that's it but that's But that's the difference in the ballgame. Because you look, like we said, there are a couple of plays here or there.

It's not the totality of the game. Yeah, you can look at it and say, okay, it's 60 minutes in the ballgame. But when you go back and break it down like we have for decades, you go back and you're like, okay, this might have been the play right here that could have broke the game up before, that could have swung the momentum in our favor and who knows what happens after that but we got to make those plays especially if you're as challenged offensively as they are and the giants are challenged offensively they don't have anybody that put fear in your heart in the run game

24 carries 26 yards that's not striking fear in nobody's heart. Neighbors is legit. He legit. Wondell Robinson, you can win with. Slayton, he's okay. He's hit or miss. He can light you up for a big day and then some days, not so much. But they leave a lot to be desired offensively

and when you leave a lot to be desired offensively, when your opportunity presents itself, Ocho, you by, hey, it's like a situation where a guy, you might only be in a room with this,

this good looking woman one time. At some point in time, you got to find a way to make your way over in her vicinity and get her attention. And you better, and you better make the most of your opportunity. You never know. You better make the most of your, of your opportunity. Exactly.

And don't wait too long. Because why you up there? Should I? And next thing you know, somebody else don't walk in there. He up there talking to him. And now you're like, damn, I blew my opportunity. Yes. Uh-huh.

Yes. And so that's how you have to approach it if you're the Giants. The opportunities are not going to be there often. But when they do present themselves, you make sure you're in position and you make that play. So the Cowboys move to 2-2. They get 10 days off now. They play again.

They don't play again until the following Sunday, if I'm not mistaken. 20-15, they win over the Giants, go to 2-2. Both of their wins on the road, both of their losses at home. The Giants fall to 1-3 and they're 0-2 at home. Wait, what's the Cowboys got next? I mean, they got three hard games in a row,

don't they? They got the Steelers. Woo! Who they got after that? Well, Guyton, hey, Guyton got it. Steelers, Lions, Niners, Falcons, Eagles. Oh, my God. And then the Texans.

That's five in a row? Well, that's a six-game gauntlet right there. Yep. That is a six-game gauntlet. We're going to fight. right there yep that's a that is a six game gauntlet we're gonna fight i remember when i went to bronco mike would always tell us win lose or draw um looking at the schedule and we took it one at a time and we're gonna find out a lot about ourselves over the next several weeks we broke i mean a lot of times ocho we did mike would have the board blacked out so the only thing you could see was the next opponent right he says it's a 16 round fight we're gonna take

one round at a time so i mean obviously you know you can look at the paper you see the schedule or something like that but on the board when you walked in the only thing you saw was the opponent you were about to face he didn't want you looking down the road. The most important game on our schedule is happening Sunday. It's happening Monday night. And keep your focus. He said, but we're going to find out a lot about ourselves. Oh, okay.

I like finding out a lot about myself. I like finding out I am whatever I say I am. If I wasn't, why would I say I am? That's what I want. Hey whatever I say I am. If I wasn't, why would I say I am? That's what I want. Hey, I needed to know. I thought I was pretty good, but the team that we're playing, they got a Pro Bowl All-Pro safety. They got Pro Bowl All-Pro corners.

They got Pro Bowl All-Pro linebackers. Okay, Shannon, you talking about you the best? Hell yeah. And when I leave this game, they're going to say I'm the best too. I'm the best foot. I'm the best tight end. And I'm the best ish talker. For sure.

Oh, man. That's what you missed. You missed that hot Ocho. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know that. You know that. Listen, I talk with the best of them, man.

I talk with the best of them. I didn't wear a mouthpiece for a reason. I didn't either. People are like, man, you don't wear no mouthpiece. No. Man, I talk with the best of them, man. I talk with the best of them. I didn't wear a mouthpiece for a reason. I didn't either. People are like, man, you don't wear no mouthpiece. No. Man, I ain't got time. I done put my pan in the dirt. I done slapped a dude on his back.

I done slapped him on his ass. I done done my good job. And you think I'm about to reach in my mouth and pull my mouthpiece out? I wish I might. And plus, I didn't want to take time to put. Hold on. No, I just want to be talking on cue. Shut the.

Yeah. I'm a, if a, oh, site, whatever, whoever. Shut up. I wasn't even talking to you. But since you ran your mouth, I'm talking to your, you know what now? You're going to get it too. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask Attorney General... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra,

you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Chad, if you saw American Gangster, the Dallas Cowboys and Blue Magic, you ain't got to do nothing to it. You ain't got to do nothing to it. Just sell it as it is. It's going to sell itself. Come on, Jerry.

Somebody might get a little bit more credit. Because you think about it, if you look at the 90s, what did they talk about? They talked about Jimmy and the triplets. Nobody mentioned Jerry. Even though once Jimmy left, he was yakking, it was the triplets. It was Troy, Emmitt, and Michael. When Jimmy was there, it was Jimmy. How about them Cowboys?

Right. Jerry despised that because he saw Al. When you play with the Raiders, it's always been Al Davis. It's always been about Al. It's kind of like in the Yankees, before Mr. Steinbrenner passed, all those great players, once he purchased it from CBS, I think in 73, for like $7 million. It was about George. Jerry

learned how to be an owner from Al Davis. It was always about Al. And that's what Jerry wants. He wants that attention. Most owners, Mr. Craft, you look at the Roonies,

we good back here Eddie DeBartolo for the 49ers before his sister, now Jed York the York family has it they in the back, Clark Hunt before his dad Mr. Lawrence, rest his soul

Lamar, I played when his dad on the team, I mean, if you didn't know, there's something when the owner is the centerpiece of your franchise. There's something to be said for that. Yeah, yeah, most definitely, most definitely. And listen, I don't think they will see success until things change. And I'm sure Jerry's not going to step down. He's always he's already made the comment that who can run the team better than he can. Obviously, he might be the issue because they haven't been back to the Super Bowl.

But the last 25, 27 years, I'm not sure what the number may be. But it's one thing about him. He's a great. Oh, yeah. That's why the fans in the city, everyone continues to buy in because he's going to sell you a dream, man. He's going to sell you a dream. They're killing Jerry in the chat. They say, Jerry be taking that as a game of inches. Literally.

Man, y'all get out of the chat. Come on, man. That's a good one. Yeah, but you're right. You're right, Ocho. You're absolutely right. This is what Jerry wants. Jerry's like, anytime you're talking about the Cowboys, be it good, bad,

doesn't matter. You're talking. Yeah, as long as you're talking. Maybe that's the damn problem. Like I said, I played with Mr. B, Mr. B.A. I mean, like early on, Ocho, he'd be on the sideline. He'd have his fur coat on, his mink or whatever the case may be. Boom, in the sideline.

Mr. Modell stood in the back. The only time Mr. Modell – I was there two years. Now, I don't know what he was like before I got there, and I don't know what he was like after I left. The only time in the locker room Mr. Modell spoke after we won the Super Bowl, he broke down and started crying. He said, I'll never forget what y'all did for me today. He said, I'm proud of you. He said, I'm very proud of you now. He said, I'll never forget what you did today. That's the only time. Mr. B, I don't recall Mr. B talking in the locker room. When I was there, we went back-to-back Super Bowls.

I don't remember Mr. B talking in the locker room. But I guess go ask the Cowboys. Can they remember a time Jerry not talking in the locker room? Yeah, when Jimmy was there. Why do you think Parcells left? Yeah, listen, Bill Parcells and a lot of people, I see a lot of people talk about Bill Belichick taking a job in Dallas. Like you talk about, it wouldn't work. It wouldn't work.

You know, Bill Belichick is no different than Bill Parcells. Like all that talking, the number one thing, being a part of the Patriot Way is one of the things that Bill Belichick despises and you cannot do. You cannot talk to the media. You can't. You don't say nothing. Short and sweet. To the point, don't tell, say nothing. Short and sweet. To the point, don't talk.

Don't give, don't give a team any bullies about material and you think Bill Belichick is going to the Cowboys to have Jerry front and center

every goddamn time? Absolutely not. What other owner in the NFL, what other owner in any sport has a radio show? Oh, 105, 103. oh five, one, oh three point five.

Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Jerry, that's my point. You got it. You got to be heard. That's it. It's the thing.

Let's just say, let's just say for the sake of argument, big coach Belichick said, well, I don't really need to be the general manager. Okay. We can see that. But he says, uh, Jerry, these are the type of players I'm – you do know if Coach Belichick comes in there and he makes changes, that's an indictment on Jerry. Because Jerry believes the players that he had are exquisite.

Coach Belichick comes in and says, I need this type of player. Right. Now what? Now what? Yeah. We got a problem. Before it even started. The show didn't even start yet. Listen.

Not the credits. What you call it? What come on before the movie come on? The preview. Oh, yeah. The preview. The preview's on. They ain't even getting.

They still in the previews and they already butting heads. Oh, Joe. But here's the preview. Oh, yeah, the preview. The preview's on. They ain't even getting – they still in the previews, and they already butting heads. Ocho, but here's the thing. If Coach Belichick comes in and the Cowboys get to him and win the Super Bowl, who going to get the credit? Oh, you know Bill. Oh, you know we talking about Bill winning his eighth. The one thing that Jerry despised, that's why he ran Jimmy off.

What other coach you know will run a coach off after back-to-back Super Bowls considering they hadn't won one since the 70s? So they hadn't won one in damn this 20 years. And the coach that comes in and gives you back-to-back, and you got a 25-year-old Troy Aikman, 25-year-old, a 24-year-old Emmitt Smith. You got a 26-year-old Michael Irvin. So you got those guys in their absolute prime. And you say, the guy that got this.

Now you got to go. Ego, boy. Ego. Pride. You know? And listen, your pride falls first before everything else does. I think the greatest thing that's ever happened was what we saw in New England. And we might not see it again.

Because Mr. Craft set his ego aside. And for the longest time, Tom and Coach Belichick set their egos aside. And then somebody started listening to the noise and said, who deserves more credit? And then all of a sudden, somebody, Tom did not want to leave New England. Tom wanted to be a one-helmet guy. He wanted to be that. He deserved that. I mean, some people deserve that opportunity.

Like Coach Smith, North Carolina, he deserved to stay there. As long as he didn't get embroiled in a scandal, he deserved to be there. Coach K at Kentucky. Coach Summit at Tennessee. There are certain coaches. Coach Bryant, Nick St. Certain coaches, because they've been exemplary on the field and in the community, they get to finish on their terms.

Tom Brady has been everything the player he was supposed to play and this is the one time that Mr. Craspo had to put his foot down and say Billy that's what he calls Coach Belichick Billy I ain't gonna do it I ain't gonna do it

I'm not I'm not because he saidy was like a son to him the value in that franchise was because of one two yeah he gave his mom a super bowl ring family members don't normally get Super Bowl rings. I gave my brother my Super Bowl ring because it meant more for me for him to have it than it ever would

to me. That's loud. But no, Tom was supposed to be there for perpetuity. Tom was supposed to, hey, if you got a motorized scooter, a cane, a walker. Right. But he's supposed to have been there.

And for whatever reasons, Coach Belichick thought it was over. And, well, it started way before then, Ocho. It started way before then when Jimmy G and the guy wrote that article, Seth Wickersham and somebody else, Mark Fader-Wirwada or somebody else wrote an article about the power struggle that was starting to happen. And Mr. Kraft put his foot down

and said, you will trade Jimmy G. He basically gave Jimmy G away to the 49ers. He adores Kyle Shanahan. He has the utmost respect for Kyle's father, Mike Shanahan. So he's like as basically an F you to Mr. Craft, well, I'm going to give him away.

Mm-hmm. I mean, listen, I mean, he was going to be next in line. He was going to be next in line. And I, as the franchise quarterback, I don't want the person who is next in line. And as the franchise quarterback, I don't want the person who is next in line, my successor,

to be looking over my shoulder because at any point when I'm not playing well or as good as I should be based on what people are used to seeing, now y'all calling for Jimmy G to be the starter.

Man, y'all got to get him up out of here. But even though, look. You got to get him up out of here. What I've relayed and through my experience and being around great players. Right. Great players, as they start to get age,

as they start to age, they only get compared to them younger selves. Who did you compare Tom to? Who did you compare Peyton to? You compare them to them younger selves. And so that's what the great players, that's their honor. You compared me, you're comparing a 35, 36-year-old to a 24, 25-year-old. And although Tom, Tom, I mean, it's not like he had three games in a row

the man threw for 150 yards. But considering what he, because Edelman has started to be involved in a little bit too many car wrecks, it has started to affect him. Gronk has started to get nicked a little bit more frequently. It has started to impact him. And so the weapons that he once had were plenty, but the collisions had started to add up. So that started to impact him. Well,

coach Belichick thought it was Brady. He didn't look around at the surroundings to see, man, if I get, you know, maybe upgrade something. Right. Cause Brady had taken pay cuts for damn near

for 20 years. So what the hell you hiding the money under your pillow? So where were you spending the money? And he had started to reach and reach because a lot of times when you become great, Ojo, you start to take unnecessary risks. He had had such success. He got Gronk.

He got Aaron Hernandez in the third round. He got Gronk in the second Hernandez in the third round he got Gronk in the second round who was a first round pick but he had the back injury Hernandez was a first round pick but he had the off the field issues he dropped to the third you get Edelman in the seventh round you get Amendola in free

agency you get Wes Welker you know people don't really know and so he but and you know he had some good picks early on especially defensively but his wide receiver yeah the the wide receivers he was picking was terrible terrible but uh well it was fun 20 years i mean look who wouldn't take 20 years six six Super Bowls, nine Super Bowl appearances, Ocho? Yeah, everybody would. Yeti would. Everybody would.

But you know how hard it is to win six Super Bowls? Hell, I know how hard it is to win one. You talk about six. You talk about one. Yeah, you know how hard it is to win one, let alone to go to nine and win six. You can't even do it. It's difficult to do that in the video game, let alone in real life. That lets you know how great and how much of an icon goddamn Billy is.

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