Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Caitlin Clark makes history, Broke NBA stories, & Jokic's GOAT case

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Gilbert Arenas discuss Caitlin Clark setting the NCAA record for points, Gil's life as a broke NBA player, and what Jokic has to do to enter the GOAT debate. 00:50 Caitlin Clark passes Pistol Pete for most point in NCAA history11:30 Gil says he’d give up sex for a year to win a title17:00 Unc says he’s rather be in the hall of fame than win a super bowl “25,000 men have Super Bowl rings”18:30 Can Knicks overcome Brunson and Randle injuries?21:00 Q and ayyyyy30:00 Much more Nightcap #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Kaitlyn Clark passes Pistol Pete Maravich for D1 scoring men or women. On Sunday, in her last regular season home game, she passed the LSU and NBA legend for the most points scored by a Division I basketball player, man or woman. She beat Ohio State. She scored 35 points, nine assists, had six rebounds

for the number six Iowa Hawkeyes as they won 93-83 over the number two Buckeyes. It put Clark at 3,685 career points. I think they're the A-I-A-W, someone that has like 200 points. There's an outside chance she could get that,

Gil, if she like the tournament, Big Ten tournament, and they go far. Because she's averaging 30. So there's a good chance that she could play 10 games and she's 200 points or less. There's an outside chance she could

could she possibly get I don't chance she can... Could she possibly get... I don't think she can get... Can she get 315 to make it an even four? Which I don't think anybody's going to... I don't think any woman or man will break that record if she gets to 4,000 points. Hell, this is going to be hard.

I mean, whatever she ends with is going to be extremely, extremely hard. I'm not even going to lie to you, huh? Soon as you said women's basketball, I went to sleep a little bit, just like the rest of the chat. We went to sleep on this, huh? I'm sorry, huh? Okay?

Man, Kayla Clark let that thing go, and she averaged 33 kills. I know, huh? But God dang, huh? We can't relate. Right? I know she beat Pistol Pete, but God dang. We can't relate. I know she beat Pistol Pete, but Pistol Pete only played three years. And they didn't have the three-point shot with Pistol Pete. And they didn't have the three-point shot. We're not going to take anything from her.

What she's doing, she's changed women's basketball. She's brought some hype into this sport. Yes. Ticket sales went up popularity went up for the last man she got travis scott at the game look at the guys he got coming to look at the people she has coming to go in the hour no no no you're hey listen listen to be a a college A college basketball fan this year, last year has been amazing. I personally don't like the WNBA having Indiana as the number two or the number one pick. No one pick.

Oh, you want on a big market. I need the best. I need the best player in the country. The most popular player in the country, the most popular player in the country, right? The most recognizable face in the country right now. I need her in a big market. I need her in Los Angeles. Los Angeles got three picks, right?

In the first seven. Trade them all for Kaitlyn Clark. Why not? If I'm. Indy ain't going to do it. They have to. They have to. Ticket sales, jersey sales, right?

Marketing deals, lip gloss lines. It's here. Think about that. Think about the Sparks games. You're going to have the Jenners there. You're going to have all those celebrities coming to watch that woman play.

Yeah, I'm going to go see them play. Come at a goddamn FIFA game. Hey, but here's the thing, though. Say what you want about the game. She more popular

than any man playing college basketball right now. Oh, no, that's facts. I can't tell you. And the only reason I know this guy is because he tripped

the guy from Duke, Filipowski. They call him Flip. Other than that, I couldn't tell you anybody playing. And I know UConn in Kentucky is Kentucky and North Carolina. Baycott is still there, but he's been there for like 15 years. But for the most part, she's more popular, 3X, than any men's college basketball player. When it comes to

the popularity and the game, the popularity matches the game, she's by far ahead of everyone. Next up is, what, Bronny James in college basketball? Yeah. Right? Yeah. Her and Juju. Juju Watkins, the young lady

at USC, those two got more popularity. Angel Reese. And you know what's so funny? If Kaitlyn Clark wasn't doing what she was doing this last year, Juju would be the biggest thing in women's basketball right now. Because she's only a freshman, they're like, we're going to give her her love, but we're not going to give her the keys right now. We'll's only a freshman, they're like, we're going to give her her love, but we're not going to give her the keys

right now. We'll give it to her next year. Right now, we're just going to let Caitlyn finish her career off being who she is. And, you know, just from a marketing side, her, Angel Reese, we have to be in big markets. This is not about the game.

WNBA, this is not about the game. This is about entertainment in the business. You're trying to about the game. WNBA, this is not about the game. This is about entertainment in the business. You're trying to grow your game. Having the most popular players sitting in Indiana, that's not a good look for the development of the game. You want the Jenners coming to the game. You want other NBA players coming to the game. You want Mayweather driving to the game. You want other NBA players coming to the game. You want Mayweather

driving to the game because she done popped off 50, hit that quarter. That's what you want. You want those headlines in sports. You're never going to get that in Indiana.

Right. I mean, you know, you might have Bird. You might have, you know, Larry Legend, old ass, come out there and, you know, pop his head through the window or something. You ain't going to get no sports center stuff, man.

But if you look at the three most popular players in the women's game, you look at Kaitlyn Clark, Juju Watkins, and Angel Reese, you tell me the men that's playing college basketball that's on their level. As far as popularity, as far as notoriety, NIL, whatever the case may be. No. The women college sport right now is overtaking college hoop. They are dominating because

they are playing excellent basketball right now. We got these ladies. The young lady at Stanford, Cameron Brink. You got the one at USC with Don Staley. Don Staley. South Carolina. Paige Becker, yeah.

Paige Becker. So, I mean, the women game might be even more popular because they talk about it, I mean, because of those. And it's not so much like the, you know, we know the programs. We know the Dukes and the Carolinas, the Kentucky, the Kansas. But they're not as like, well, Kansas lost three or four. And Kentucky has lost probably like six or seven games. But when you look at the women, it's like the individuals.

Now, UConn isn't what they, UConn, I remember UConn won 111 games straight. Yeah. And they normally win every year. They're not that. Yeah, yeah. But the women, those five, Buckers and Brink and Juju and Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reese and Cardosa. You know, to be honest, man, I think I look from like the marketing side of the game. And right now, this is the hottest time for women's basketball.

If I'm the dub, I will make an exception right now and say, all right, enter. We're taking out the age limit and the grade image. Which means Juju will jump into the draft. Juju. Hell nah, if I'm Juju, I ain't jumping nowhere. I ain't giving him my NIL money for no $76,000. You out your damn mind, Gil. Listen, NIL deal, the NIL deal, it can travel with you to the pros too.

No, I'm going to the pros too. But the thing about the NIL deal is if she jumps from USC and then with the number two pick, she's with the Sparks. What do you think about that marketing bag now? Because she's going to only be 18 years old. Now, that means she still has all the youth to her disposal with selling jerseys, with shoes. If Nike gives her a shoe or Jordan Brand gives her a shoe, whatever she wants to sell, her age is the demanding of that product. Caitlin, she's 22. Juju's 18. Right. Right. So when Juju comes, that means sophomores and freshmen in high school, sophomores, juniors, seniors will buy her product. Freshman class of college, sophomore,

junior, they're going to buy her product. So she's got the eight year gap of product being sold. So you want them to be because can can can women, young ladies, can they go into the draft like like like the guys can? How long they got to be in college? Four years or by the age of 22. They lose the youth. They come out as women.

The people that looked up to them, they became the ops anyway. My daughter, that's her teammate, they're going to be going against each other. So Juju can't come out of the evening if she wanted to.

She has to wait until she's a senior. The only girls that allow to come, the only women are, at this point, it would be considered girls still. The only girls that are allowed to come into the NBA is overseas. Euro. Yeah.

Well, it's not technically Euro. As long as you're born, born, born, born. So all Americans, go over there, have your child, then come back. Yeah. Well, Juju, stack your paper with this NIL. So that way, when you come out and you get 85,000, you're like, man, I done made me 10 M's in college, so I'm straight. If that's the case, then WNB is going to be ruined because that means you're going off of the notion of, well, they can't stay in college forever.

If that's going to be your play that they got to come here at some point, then you're losing. They do. Unfortunately, that's it. James Harden, only if he would shave his beard to win a championship, that is

gone. Harden is prepared to let go of his signature facial hair if that's what it takes to win a title. Gil is gone. Harden is prepared to let go of his signature facial hair if that's what it takes to win a title. Gil, what would you give up? Okay, Gil, I tell you what, you got a little goatee. Nah, I know you get it up.

Would you give up sex for a year to win an NBA title? Hell yeah. A year? A year? Well, I got it. I have a hand. I have a hand. Yeah, I got a hand on. I have a hand on.

Yeah. I got a hand. My hand's in my pocket. Oh, no. Yo, no. Hey, listen. I've had an argument with men. I had an argument with women.

Never had one with my hand on. Never. That's all right. Never. Ain't no sex like that argument sex you can make up. Man, that's a bad kind make up man I'm the bad kind man I start an argument on purpose you make me sick

what come home late I come home late I be in the park where you been I'm sitting I'm sitting out in the driveway cause I'm just gonna start an argument I was supposed to be at home 15 minutes ago I'm just sitting in the driveway that's cute

ain't nothing like that ain't nothing like that makeup I'm just sitting in the driveway. Yeah, that's cute. That's what I'm saying. Ain't nothing like that. Ain't nothing like that makeup, Gil. Ain't nothing like makeup. In your 20s, that's fun and dandy until your windows start getting busted. Oh, that's even better. That's even better.

Hey, I'm looking. I'm looking at the car. I'm looking at the car while she's doing it. She ain't doing a number on that car. Come on up here, because I know in 20 minutes later, it's going to be on and cracking. Nah. I'll give up sex for a year for a championship ring.

But I won't. I don't know about that, Gio. I won't give him no money. You on your own on that deal. You on your own. Listen, I'll give up sex before I give up a billion dollars. If they say Gio, I ain't giving say give up, you got a hundred million. Take off one million for a ring.

Depending on where I am in my career, I'm like, I don't know about all that, man. I'll give up a million dollars before I give up sex. You out your damn mind. Crazy as hell, up. You crazy. Hold on. How much did you say I got? Huh?

How much did you say I got? A? How much did you say I got? $100 million? $99. I got $90. And you got your damn bag. What can I do with $90 that I can do with $100? I don't know. There's some things you can do with $100 that you can't do with $99.

Because once you stop at $90, there's $ 10 more extra you would have had to buy something. And you just spent it on women. I'm good. Nah, you're not finna have my scrotum sagging like syrup bottles. Oh, no. I got the free willy. Free willy. You got willy jumped out that water.

I say, hey, you must say, hey, listen, when you have a baby mama like me, trust me, sex is the last thing you want to think about. I haven't let you convince me about that one yet. Trust me, I'd rather win a championship.

Hey, listen, I was in child support court five times. I mean, I'm the child support court 55 times 55 I mean, I'm the Mayweather I'm 55 and 0 55 times I'm good I commend guys that's never had to go through that

I think, you know, early on We went through it, because we were young You know, and And I remember Like, when I was going through therapy And, you know. And I remember like when I was going through therapy and, you know, we going back and forth. And I remember the lady told me, she said, Mr. Sharp,

are you arguing to see who's right or are you arguing for what's right? She said, because there are two different things now. You know, I sat back, I was like, well, damn. I'm saying to myself, I want to be right.

Damn, what's right? I want to be right. And so she said, she said, well, Mr. Sharp, now, if you're arguing for right, okay, you have valid points. But if you're arguing just to be right, you're not going to get anywhere.

And you're going to find yourself in these situations again. And so you know what? Sometimes I found out, Gail, it's better to keep the peace than to be right. And so once I started looking at it through that prism, because, you know, hey, and then I was like, okay, kids going to be, I don't want to be,

I don't want to be, here I am, you know, kids 13, 14, 15, and they see their mom and dad going back and forth over some penny bull jive, it ain't even worth it. I give up. Yeah, not me, y'all. Yeah, yeah.

Nah, not me, Unc. Nah, not me, Unc. Listen, Unc, I'm one of those, it's just something about winning, Unc. It just makes, it just gets me horny at night, Unc. That's the, just, I want to be right, Unc. Yes, Adal. Hey, listen. If you say, what color is the sky?

I'm going to look out there first. Then come up there and place the bet. And if I'm what you see, I'm going to wait until, like, I'm like, yeah, it's black out there. It could be daytime. I guarantee you, I'm going to go out there until it goes nighttime and say, I told you so. Nah. Nah, I'm just, you know why I think the thing is, Gil? Like, when you win, and I'm glad because, you know, people, you know, a lot of times they're like,

well, Shannon, which would you rather have, a Super Bowl ring or a Hall of Fame ring? I say, well, I'm glad I don't have to make that decision because I can have them both. But for me, do you know how many men have won Super Bowls? There's 53. There's like 80 guys per team getting a Super Bowl. So if you go back,

there's like 25,000 men that got Super Bowl rings. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's less than 500 men that's in the Hall of Fame. So you put a, you know, you forced me to say it. I'm going to take the Hall of Fame. Of course. Listen, that's, you forced me to say it. I would take the hall of fame.

Of course. Listen, that's a different jacket on. That's a different jacket, right? You know, that's a, you know,

when, when, when, when people talk about games, that's the type of game you want to be in. Yeah. Yeah. You want to be,

that's all the fame game. Yeah. That's the, that's, that's your sports heaven. Yeah. That's where all the great players go. Yep.

To pass away. Yep. So for me, yeah, it's a no-brainer. The Knicks all-star Jalen Brunson suffered a bruised knee versus the Cavs. Brunson was helped off the floor because of a left knee injury in the first minute of a 107-98 win over the Cavaliers. Give them credit. They played extremely well.

Dante DiVincenzo was outstanding. Even Josh Hart had a triple-double, had 19 rebounds. Pimato told reporters after the game, Brunson had a knee contusion and x-rays were negative. The coach said he had no timeline for Brunson's return. When I seen that, I was trying to figure out if he bumped knees. I was looking at the same thing. I didn't see it. It looked like it could have been an ACL tear.

It looked like it because it was on a plant. So he probably just knee buckled, probably, you know, just one of those freak little things that just caused some bruising in there. He is the heart and soul of that team, right? Yes. No matter how much we say he ain't the guy, he proves he is the guy. He's a guy. Right?

He is the guy for that team. And, you know, he's one of those guys that, just like a Jokic, you can't see their talent through your scouting. They got to play. No matter what drills you put them in, they are just basketball players. Hopefully, he can get back in time where they don't lose much momentum. Because he is the heart, he's the finisher. He's the guy who keeps that thing going. And now that, now the ball got to go back to Randall's hand and we don't know what's

about to happen. I don't know. Is he going to come back? You think he'll be able to come back with that shoulder? Who Randall? Drew Randall. Yeah. We don't know.

We don't know. But I know. Hey, I know one thing. The team is back here if you come back soon. and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content,

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Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal

that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Gil, it's time for our last segment of the night, and it's called Q&A. Let's take a listen to what we have. Angelita Marie, Shannon, you rock. Thank you for sharing your stories, your sibling love and business wisdom.

I'm about to enter the workforce again and you are my professional black role model. Angelita, thank you very much. I really appreciate that. My family is everything to me because at the end of the day, this is why I do what I do because of them. And I told my grandmother on her deathbed that I had it and I got to hold it down. And so nothing is going to get me off this perch. But God is first of all, God has already placed me up here. So they can't knock me off even if they try.

So whatever God has put before me, all that other stuff that's going on is not going to impact me. So I really appreciate that. I try to be as positive as I possibly can. And Gil, this, this week, uh, this weekend, Friday and Saturday, I had a couple of sign-ins. Man, the love, you don't realize the impact that you have on people until you come in contact with them personally. Yeah, yeah.

And to hear people like, man, we loved you at the old show. We love your own first take. But, hey, Club Shea Shea and Nightcap, bro, you do it. And the guy told me, he came up, he got got a bottle and he said, man, look here, you can't go nowhere. Cause you speak for us. You speak for a lot of us. He said, man, Hey, all that other stuff that they be saying, he said, don't worry about it. You know what you are and people love you and they respect you. Now you always going to have some not. And I'm like, and I'm looking at him,

he said, man, I'm telling you, bro. He said, it means a lot to have somebody like you that speak for a lot of us because we don't have that platform and we don't have that voice. So you, hey, you stay on your grind. Don't you let nobody, hey, don't you let nobody interfere

with what you got going on. I said, my man, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. And to see all, I mean, black, white, hey, I mean, so women, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. And to see all, I mean, black, white, I mean, so women, I mean, it's just like, it was just unbelievable. The outpouring of love and respect that I've received when I do these signings in different places, be it Vegas, be it Atlanta, be it Jersey near the Philly border. I'm going to Denver. I'm going to a lot of different places. Oh, yeah.

People driving two plus hours because they can't get it in their state. They're driving across state lines. One guy, you know, bought two, three cases. We were like, I'm buying this for my son, my two sons, my husband, my brother.

I mean, it was just, it was unbelievable. And I'm like, man my son, my two sons, my husband, my brother. I mean, it was just it was unbelievable. And I'm like, man, you don't know. Who's listening, who's watching, but you are impacting. And so try to make sure I just always try to make sure I'm doing I'm impacting people in a positive way. I think because we are doing our content from behind closed doors, right? This is not like we're on the field and we can feel the love in real time, right? So when we're doing our thing, just like we're doing here, we have the chat, we can see the chat, but we don't really know the impact that we're doing. Be correct.

Everything is in confinement. Same thing, I go to my son's game, my daughter game, and all the kids come up to me. They're like, can I take a picture? And I'd be forgetting, I seen you on Shannon's Shard, man. I seen you, okay, your shirt on. It makes you wanna do right and it makes you- It does, it shirt on. It makes you want to do right and want to keep going. It really does. It makes you want to keep going.

And even when you started, right? And as a content creator, someone who's in the TV realm too, I'm watching, trying to figure out my lane. And when you pulled out the Hennessy and the Black and Mild, I was like, he's pushing the limits, right? You need someone to test the limits because Charles Barkley, you're giving everyone else a little bit more wiggle room than they had before. Right. And, you know, us 35 to 40 rolls that's getting into the podcast game

is because of what you did on first tape. Yeah. Undisputed. Undisputed. You broke down so many barriers that gave... Like like it was strict. Like when we came behind the camera, we was, you know, good old boys.

Lord, did Unk say that? And it gave a little bit more relief, like, oh, I can do that too. And then now, you know, me, you know, getting to talk with you every week, it just opens me up a little bit more on how much effort greatness puts into it. So when I'm sitting at home, I'm like, Shannon just said he got to fly here, fly here. Let me go online and see what's hot, what's content. Let me do some research. So I'm sitting here three, four hours just looking at stuff, tapes, interviews, watching. I seen a Terry Crews. He threw some gems, you know what I mean? And, you know, something he said that just it just stuck with me.

Like and he said, you know, when I first started, when I got paid zero dollars, $5,000, then boom, boom, boom. And I was grateful for every single one of them. I didn't look back and say, man, they should have paid me more. I remember that, Jim. He said, you can't

nod yes and mean no. He said, because I saw the terms of the contract, I was going to get $4,000 for two days. I can't then in turn agree to the contract and then go back the movie because, man, I only got $4,000.

That's what you agreed to. You agreed to. They gave you what the contract stipulated. So he said, you can't nod yes and mean no. So he said, you can't nod yes and mean no. And he's absolutely right. That was powerful.

What is that? K-G-M-A 89. Gil, we need you to share two broke stories on Nightcap. Broke? I guess he means people going broke shit

that ain't just name anybody who's retired I just played oh oh they say you was talking about being broke earlier

oh yeah no Gil ain't broke so look this is how the NBA is right when you when you

okay so we got March Madness coming up, right? So championship ends around March, what is it? April, the beginning of the first weekend in April. The first Monday, yeah. So I go to the championship, we lost. A week, two weeks later, we're entering the draft.

Now, think about what I'm saying. We enter the draft, that means we got to get an agent. Right. Since we're not in school and we have an agent, you know, that means we got to get an agent. Right. Since we're not in school and we have an agent, that agent is going to tell us where he thinks we're going to be, right?

Projections, are you going to be in the first round of it anyway? So from there, you got to open up bank accounts if you don't have any, right? You got to take out loans, right, on your projection, because you don't have no money, but

your parents think you got money, so they're going to want some new things. So for the most part, if you're a first round pick, you're going to get about that summer, about three, 400,000. If you're somebody like Wimby, you have no limit to your agent. He's the number one pick. He has a black card for his agent. Yeah, he probably got at least a $10 million limit. $10 million limit as a rookie. Or no, not as a rookie card for his agent. Yeah, he probably got at least a $10 million limit. $10 million limit as a rookie. Or no, not as a rookie, just that summer. Yeah. Now, think about that.

I'm taking out $100,000, $200,000, $300,000 just to survive that summer, right? Eat, new car, get a rental place. Because you're paying for the rental, not your agent. It's just his money. You got to repay him back. Yeah, yeah. He's just his money. You got to repay him back. He's just running it. This is April, May, June.

The draft came at the end of June. Now you really are. I already spent $200,000. I spent $31,000. That's that's 300 something thousand now i still got july august september october i don't get my first piece of money to november 14th so six and a half months before i left school of money i've been spending that i haven't even got

a check for and you've been spending because I haven't even got a check for. And you've been spending because you ain't never had money like this before. So you're spending. Yeah, you're spending. But I miscalculated because I thought I was going to be a top 18 pick when I end up being a second round pick. So I spent my money. So I'm begging for a two-year deal and I'm on a budget. So they had to me for two years and that budget was after my bills, which was a car in my house, I had $500 that I can spend per month. You didn't get no hoo-ha.

You couldn't take nobody out? That's what you're talking about. You didn't have no money. I had a girlfriend okay well you straight you was straight it wasn't mine

it was ours right it was oh lord it was ours when you making $500 a week it's ours right so whoever

felt like she needed to be with at that time I just had to shut up and that's what I did and I you had to take it you had to take it I just had to shut up. And that's what I did. You had to take it. You had to take it. I just had to use that anger

and that pain to work on my game. But there were some times where towards the end of the month, I didn't have enough money to drive back and forth from the practice facility back to my place. So I'll stay in the gym.

I'll stay in the movie theater room. We had food. We had the gatorades, the waters, the showers, steam room. This is home. So you pulled an Ocho before Ocho pulled an Ocho. Oh, yeah. What year you came out? What year you came out, Gia?

I think that's the same year Ocho came out. Listen, I was having, listen, I had girls pull up. When you... You bring girls to the facility? Nice. They're like, oh my... Movie theater.

Movie theater. Come to my place. And they probably know no better. They're just like, oh my God, Gil. I love what you done with the place. Hey, yes, you know. Like, I ain't... Y'all never been here.

It is Antoine Jamison right here. You know Antoine, right? I'm over here. Listen, that was that thing. So for two years, I was really sacrificing. But to be honest, man, I'm glad that happened to me. Well, I didn't spend no money.

I just didn't have no money to spend, Gil. My rookie contract was $63,000. $63,500. My rookie contract was $63,000. $63,500. And they gave me $22,500 as a signing bonus. So I made about $85,000. I sent my signing bonus to my brother. Because I didn't have no bank account.

So he did everything. He had to sign. He had to sign to get my apartment. I couldn't get an apartment. My credit was... Man, they needed a crane to pull my credit up. That's how low it was. Hey, so everything, he had to co-sign to get my car. He had to co-sign to get my apartment.

That's like, I'm in the NFL, and I got to co-sign. Yeah. But it is what it is. It is what it is. But, hey, and they just like, hey. And I remember he like, then my third year, like, my third year, he gave me his SL. He got an SL.

He said, I'm going to give you, hey. He said, bro, you've been doing good. He said, I love what you're doing. He gave me a 300 SL. Man, Gil, you couldn't hit me in the ass with a red apple. You know, your boy was doing it. I popped that top. I pulled right up to the club and let that top come down.

It's your boy. You know what I'm saying, Gil? I step up out that band, you know what I'm saying? Wait, hold on. You said 6 to 5. I mean, 6 to 3, 5. You couldn't even afford

today's woman because they want 6. No, no, no. No, no, no. The dude right now, 65, they would have looked at you. Yeah.

Hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no. But see, back then, but see, Harry DeFay, though, Gil,

even though they didn't know how, see, the salaries wasn't posted like they are now. Okay. So I'm in the NFL. Yeah. That's all they know.

I'm in the NFL. So he got to be making some money. Oh, you're right. Baby, I ain't. You're right. You come out better dealing with a banker than dealing with your boy. The only thing I do,

I play on Sunday. He work five days a week, but so do I. I get Tuesdays off. Other than that, he might got me. He might got me. So if I was you,

I wouldn't fool with me because I ain't got it like that. Because I got to send a third of my money back to Glenville. I got a granddad's sister. So, baby, I ain't got much. I ain't got much

because that's what I told him on the first date. When you came out there talking about you going, what go with lobster? Condoms. We going to have to set it off up in here

if you get that. I ain't got no money like that. So, I get it, Gil. Hey, money be... Hey, like I said, you wasn't the first rounder. I wasn't the first rounder. I ain't have bread like that. It is what it is. Hey, I don't know if I could have made it, Gil.

I don't know who I could have got this... I'd have had to probably get a teammate to sign for me. I probably would have asked Dennis Smith. He'd probably have been my first choice. And then I'd have asked Steve Atwater. Okay. If I didn't have a brother. Okay.

If I didn't have a brother in the league, I'd have asked one of those guys. Miles Conner said, Big fan of the pod, fellas. Celebrated my son's fifth month on earth today. What's your guy's favorite shoe to hoop and work out in? Keep up the amazing work. Bro, I ain't hooping.

Hooping shoes for me, they for walking around. Now to work out in, I'm a Metcon guy. Because I need something with a really flat surface because I still squat, I do leg press. I do Bulgarian split squats. I still do stuff like that. So I need something with a flat sole.

So the Metcon, that's my workout shoe. Gil, what you hooping in? The Gil ones? Do you know it? Do you know it? But not the ones that just came out. My original ones that was made for my feet.

The new ones... You know the technology has improved, out. My original ones that was made for my feet. Right? Okay. The new ones. You know technology has improved. You know that, right? Huh? You know technology has improved, right? No, no, no, no. Not in a good way, y'all. Because they done put some boosts on it.

That boost got the extra, and it's a little bit heavier than it was before. But I love running shoes. I love light. I love light. So if I'm not in running shoes, I'm in sandals. So I'll go to the gym

with some sandals on. Man, your feet gonna be so flat, man. I'm in there with some, hey, I'm the only one in there with some sandals on. And then when I'm doing like stuff that's not like, like,

like elliptical or something, I'll take my shoes off and just be in my socks in there. My feet need to breathe. Okay. Keith, as Jerry Jones says, he doesn't think the franchise has a culture issue or a sense of entitlement issue.

Gil, do the Cowboys have a winning culture? How the hell am I supposed to know? Hey, listen, I know all black people look alike. Listen, I'm not Ocho. Okay? I am not

Ocho. I don't know what Cowboys is over there doing, okay? I'm just deciding to be a Rams fan. So ask me, it's about seven, eight months, what the Rams is doing. Okay. I don't know what Jerry Jones over there doing. Yeah, I do think they have an issue.

There are some things that were said. I think Jerry needs to, I mean, look, no one wants to, if somebody came in from the outside, came to you in our house, and they said, well, Shannon, this is what's going on in your house, and this is where I see the problem. Or someone came to your house from an outside and said, okay, Gil, this is where I see the problem. We're going to feel pushback. What you mean? I run a tight ship here. Everything is impeccable. Everything's put back in place. The kids

are respectful, blah, blah. But no, that's not what I mean. So I'm not surprised Jerry said this. Because what's he supposed to say? You're right. Because then that makes him look bad. So Jerry didn't say anything that I didn't expect him to say.

Or any, I mean, that's just like when somebody tell your child bad. My child ain't bad. Them teachers don't know him to say. Or any, I mean, that's just like when somebody tell you your child bad. Man, my child ain't bad. Them teachers don't know how to talk to my kid. Your kid bad as hell. But is it one of those things where he doesn't want to seem like he's doing a bad job as an owner so he doesn't want to fix anything? Like, what does he need to improve on?

Because, I mean, it is the Cowboys. Get out of the way. But see, that's the thing, though, Gil. Because what's the incentive for him to win if he has the most valuable franchise, he makes the most money, and he hadn't won a Super Bowl in 30 years? So what's his incentive?

Yeah. Pride. He's already the most recognizable owner in the NFL. He's the face of his team. No other owner is the face of their team. Jerry Jones is the face of his team. He wants that. That's why he stays front and center.

So, okay. So, okay. Now, since we know that about Jerry Jones, how does the legacy of the players that play on that team? That means their legacy can't be complete because if the owner doesn't want to win, right? He has no ambition to win. And you're, let's say, was the Dax, right? Yeah.

His legacy is going down because of not his performance. Because of the owner doesn't want to win. He has nothing to prove. Right. So that's how we feel in the NBA, too. There's some owners that their franchise is just worth so much that they don't have anything to prove as owners. And there's players on there who's being judged for what they're doing. So if I'm handicapped by this guy's ego, why no one ever takes that into consideration? Well, I think the thing is that you look at some of the guys, and let's just take, let's take Micah.

I think Micah is going to be so great through the course of his career. You're going to have no choice but to put him in the hall. You look at what CD's been able to do, and he's gotten better and better because you look at the guys that they drafted. Larry Allen was so great. He won a Super Bowl early in his career, but he was so great. You can make a case

Larry Allen is the greatest offensive lineman because he could play all the positions on the offensive line, and he was an all-pro in those positions. You look at DeMarcus where had a great career but he won this championship in denver and so and so that's good that's going to be a very interesting i don't think they fact that the voters i don't think they factor that in they just look at the play on the field they look at uh and they expect you to be able to overcome

you know poor uh and i don't't think Jerry is a poor owner. I just think the thing is that he gets in the way because he wants to credit. And he does a lot of talking and he doesn't empower his coach. He emasculates his coach. OK, because Jerry's going to want to talk to the team. I've never the only the only time I heard Mr. Modell talk is that I think the AFC championship game he talked and then we won the Super Bowl and he told us how proud he was of us.

He said, I'm proud. He said, you did me proud today. He said, I'll never forget it. He said, I'll never forget this moment. I'll never forget what you guys did for me. And it's a shame that they haven't put him in the Hall of Fame. The way they did him is wrong. He took the team and he moved went to Baltimore. The NFL

made him leave the colors and the records in Cleveland. So if they put a team back, the record, they never did that with anybody else. Al Davis moved up and down the coast. And here they are. Took everything with them. The Rams moved. Took everything with them.

The Texans, the Titans, the Oilers, they moved. They didn't make Bud Adams leave anything. They didn't make Bud Adams leave anything. They didn't make Al Davis leave anything. They didn't make Georgia Frontier. They didn't make Stan Kroenke. But they did that to him. And they wrong.

They wrong for doing it. Jim Irsay left like a thief in the night. Packed up the Mayflower moving bands. Didn't tell the NFL jack. And they took the Baltimore Colts And took the records right there with them And the colors But Art Modell had to

Had to come up with a new name Had to start from scratch Wow They did him wrong And now the voters Need to do him right And put him in the hall That's facts, that's facts

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Eleni Ray says, Shannon, just for the record, I was actually busy Thursday night, not sleeping. My actual question is,

who's going to be in the Final Four in March Mad My actual question is, who's going to be in the Final Four in March Madness Bracket? Who's going to be in my Final Four in March Madness Bracket? I tell you, not Molly. UConn. Anybody but UConn. I don't know. I'm going to have to pick it up because I know we're going to have to do a bracket.

I've been so busy doing other things that I really haven't played but you know what I do I watch once they get to the tournament time I look at the tournament watch the tournament make an educated guess there's a reason why nobody has ever picked a perfect bracket and nobody

is ever going to pick a perfect bracket it ain't going to happen but I got Louisville for the girls and then Louisville for the girls, and then obviously Arizona for the men. Man, y'all might not even make it out of the ACC. Andrea Jordan asks,

does NBA owners, teams, front player salary in advance like NFL? So can you go, can an nba player go take out an advance on next year's salary no no during the summer okay so um since i am i can say i know in the nba and i don't know if jaylen brown has an agent but i had the largest deal done by the player himself i I did my own contract. I read everybody else's contract

and then took out things I liked from everyone's. Kobe and Tim Duncan had something that no other player had. And Kobe got all of his money September. So he got all of his money September. So he got all of his money September.

Tim Duncan got some money in August. So the season starts in November, October. Tim Duncan got some of his money in August. And then right before, then when the season starts. So October 1st, training camp. Training camp, I got 85% of my money during training camp.

And then the other 15%, the rest of it. Throughout the season. Yeah. Okay. Those are the only two. I had Bobby Surer. Bobby Surer and his contract had, he got all of his money, first check. So he was making $5 million.

So he got one check for $5 million November 14th. So what happens after that is, do you get fined or anything? You have to write the team back a check. Okay. Faye said, hey, Shannon McGill, you have a great collection of kicks. What's your favorite shoe?

Who is your favorite shoe plug? Can you share with us? No. Absolutely not. Listen, you know. That's why my shoe plug. Hey, hey, hey, man. Hey, Shannon.

I know you. I saw you had some golden eggs. Can you show me where that goose at that's laying them? No. I'm with Adidas, so that's it. My shoe plug is adidas.com. That's it. I built up some over the course of last 10, 15 years.

I built up some great friendships. I know now that when Calie come out with a shoe... I just thought about it. You stingy as hell, huh? What happened? No, you got to give up. Just a little plug, the small plug. The one you started with, back...

I ain't got that plug. Oh, well, okay. We doing that to these people. She's asking. Well, me. We doing that to these people? She's asking. Well, me and Julie, we have a great relationship and she's a general manager partner at Wish for Kicks in Atlanta.

So a lot of my stuff come from her. And then concept. But y'all can't get anything. Had to hit her with it, but you still can't get nothing. Yeah. But it's too late. I'm going to say, bro. I get a plug. So people are like, hey, man,

can you hook me up? So let me get this right. You want me to forgo my size 13 and get you a size 8 or get you a size T. So you want me to give up. I got an opportunity to get the chunky dunks.

What, the hottest shoe out? Nah, bro, I don't want that. Hey, Mr. Sharp, we have your 13. Nah, you know, hey, I got a homeboy. I'm going to get him that lever. Really? Yeah. Really?

Yeah. No. Unfortunately, no. Listen, for the women, why don't you just call Larson Pippen, right? Call Larson Pippen. Yeah, yeah. Call Larson Pippen, right? Call Larson Pippen. Yeah, yeah. Call Larson Pippen, right?

And, you know, she got Michael Jordan's son who got him a shoe store. There you go right there. Yeah, I need to get on the trophy room plug list. Question of the day. Could Jokic be in the GOAT conversation if he wins two more titles and two more MVPs? Hell yeah. Man, you know, boy, four MVPs, hell yeah, puts you in the gold conversation. Do you know, now

you're talking about LeBron, Russell, Will, Jordan, and Kareem. No, they're five guys. They got four more MVPs. And then you're talking about three and three and three more titles, and he's going to be the final MVP at all of them.

Facts. Facts. So you – and Gil, he's 29. He ain't 30 for Gil. He's 29. But – no, no, no, no, no. His 29 is a little different. He ain't athletic.

So he can come back. That's my point. He can play another 10 years because his game. Gil. No. The question is, does he want to play? Does he have a burning desire? But because his game is not predicated on athleticism,

he can play longer because, like Tom Brady. Now, just imagine if Tom Brady was reliant on legs or Peyton Manning was reliant on legs. That's why they were able to play. Now, Tom played 23 years. It'd have been very interesting had Peyton Manning not suffered

that nerve injury, how long he could have actually played. But when you're not reliant on athleticism, that's what makes LeBron. But LeBron can think the game through. He's like, you know what? I'm just going to post. I ain't going to, I ain't going to, I ain't going to.

And once he added that three ball, the man's shooting 40-plus percent from the three. I know, but did you see Dirk those last five years on? Yeah, yeah. He looked like the 10 man on Wizard of Oz. He just walking down the head. But here's the thing.

Just think about if he was athletic how he would look the last 10 years. Not the last five. But know what I'm saying. When you're athletic on, let's say like LeBron, we can see he's still faster, can jump higher

than 80% of the NBA, which lets you know how fast and how high he was when he was younger. When he's slowing down, his slowdown is still better than everybody else. Well, Jokic, you're at the bottom of athleticism and the bottom of speed.

When you slow down, you're walking. Yes. Those pick and rolls, like, I think— Now that you're going to be picking pops. Yeah, I think what happens is when they start, like, targeting him on picking rules for real and he just can't move the way he used to move in, he's going to be a real liability

defensively, and I think he's just going to call it quits. I think around 34, 35. Yeah, he's going to call it quits anyway because I don't know. Well, he's made it clear. Like, it's not like basketball

is like the end-all, be-all. Like, he's going to die without it. Yeah, yeah's made it clear. It's not like basketball is like the end-all be-all. He's going to die without it. Listen, the money they're getting now, the money they're getting now, they're making $300-400 million before they're 30. They said Luka's next contract might be $80 million

a year, five years for $400. Lukauka 25. So if he get a five year for 400, what's he going to get at 30 Gil? It's going to be about five years, 500, five years, 550. Yeah, five, six, yeah.

Damn. Aaron Owens asks, how dominant could Milwaukee have been if Dr. J would have played with Big O and Kareem? A great what if. But back then, you do realize like a lot of the draft, like they went to ABA, a lot of the draft was regional.

So whatever area you was in, you don't really, I think Kareem went to Milwaukee because they lost the coin flip. I think they was in a coin flip with the Knicks. One team, on the phone, one team calls head, the other team calls tails. Hey, in the office, they flip it. Oh, hey, it's okay, Milwaukee.

You got good. They flip it in the office. Ah, hell. I got to fly. I'll argue. No, we're going to flip that coin in front of me. Mm-mm. Hell nah.

Imagine how rigged all that shit was back then. Man. And so when Doc came out, Doc came out, what, 71? Imagine how rigged all that shit was back then. Man. And so when Doc came out, Doc came out, what, 71? Doc first years with the Virginia Squires. And, you know, you think sometimes you check, jump, funny,

the money, you know, the ball wasn't the only thing that was bouncing. He said, my money was bouncing. The checks was bouncing. So they ended up, you know, selling his right to the Nets. The Nets, it has a little financial issue. They end up selling. But it was bouncing. He said, my money was bouncing. Their checks was bouncing. So they ended up selling his right to the Nets. The Nets, it has a little financial issue. They end up selling. But it was different. The NBA was very different. Because back then,

a team could draft a player. The player stay in college and they still had his rights when he came out. That's what happened to Bird. Yes. So, you know, I don't think it would have been possible. Question of the day. What's your guys' dreams finals matchup this year?

Gil? Dreams finals? I think for ultimate ratings, it would be Boston versus Lakers so they can break this tie. Yeah. I agree. I don't think that's going to happen, though. I mean, it could.

Listen, Boston got a 90% chance. Yes. Lakers, they got a 90% chance if Denver's gone. They get, they knock, if somebody knocked the Nuggets out of the way. Longest Nuggets in there, we got a 10% chance. Yeah. Keith Oliver says,

Shannon, the Freak Nick documentary is coming out later this month will you be making a cameo yeah the documentary hey listen listen y'all know listen y'all know Unc might be in the

back video somehow he might not he don't need to do a cameo he don't need to do a cameo in the back video somehow. Look over there. He might not. He don't need to do a cameo. He don't need to do a cameo in the documentary because he probably in some of the footage. There he is.

You see right this right here? Yeah. This right here. I promise you this right here. Now, this right here, this got footage not only from Freaknik

92, 92 to 96. This got Black College Beach, this got Savannah State, Orange Crush. This got, what else we did?

Oh, Black College Beach Week, Daytona, all that. Right here. Oh, baby. Oh, Black College Beach Week, Daytona, all that. Right here. I told you. Didn't I? I told you.

Oh, baby. Oh, baby. Yes. O'Shea Sharp. O'Shea Sharp. Hey, your boy was Spike Lee. Your boy was Spike Lee back then. Y'all better stop.

This right here. Never, ever. And if y'all break in the house are this right here. Never, ever. If y'all break in the house, you'll never find it. Because I brought it out because I had a feeling somebody will ask about it. But this goes right back to the ball. Right back to the bank ball. This right here. As a matter of fact, if I ever get sick for more than a week,

I'm going to smash the hell out of it. Y'all ain't going to never get the footage of y'all piss right here. Piss right here. Everybody going to be watching just to look for her. They'll be looking for her. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no.

But I had a feeling somebody was going to ask something about Freak Day. No. But your favorite uncle was smack dab in the middle. 92 to 96. I was in it. Hell, that's why I moved to Atlanta. Me and my brother came for the first time in 92. He said,

bro, this ain't for me. I said, it's for me. I'm going to be back. It ain't for you. It's for me. As a matter of fact, Prime had a club. What was that club? I think it was 112 was popping.

Diamonds and Pearls. Everything was off Cheshire Bridge. Woo, lit. Your boy was smack dab in the middle. When I say smack dab, oh no. I hope they catch you. I hope they catch you. I've heard a lot of stories

and I've told some stories, a lot of stories, but that freak next up, oh, they asked me to be a part of it. I said, no stories, a lot of stories but that Freak Nick stuff oh they asked me to be a part of it, I said no sir I'm going to my grave with this here nah they got you, you better watch hey Gil, when I go before the man when I go before the man upstairs he said well

Shannon can you tell me about Freak Nick I said what you remember about Freak Nick he says I don't remember anything, I said I don't either I don't either you erased my memory, I don't either. I don't either. You erased my memory. This is gone. This is gone right there. Oh, your boy. Ooh. Your boy was out.

Out, out. All the way. Damn. Yeah, Gil. Oh, yeah. Go ahead and have another one. They need to go ahead. No, they don't. No, they don't. No, they don't. We shut it down. Look. You're going to see in. No, they don't. We shut it down. Look, you're going to see 85 runs through the city.

Six lanes. Bro, cars bumper to bumper. Now people just out their doors, they're twerking. People just dancing. In the middle of the interstate. It'll be like the 405.

Gridlock and people twerking and people got their cars and they dancing, music playing. Ain't nobody moving nowhere. Who started that? They started it, first of all, it started as a literal picnic for the AU Center. Morehouse, Morris Brown, Clark,

Spellman. But you know how we do, know what you know how we do Gil you know you know how we do now what happens if we throw a party what happens if we throw a party hmm and Morris Brown Morris Brown Morehouse Clark

Spellman yeah four or five schools. There we go. We got to go. We got to go. We got to go. There ain't no more. No more.

No more. Y'all, if it be in trouble, I've been good. I've been good to be. Got better than that one. Got better than that one. But over the days, Lord, have mercy. If I had a thousand tons, Lord, I couldn't thank you enough for where you brought

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East orange. Hey, hey. I thought that was bad. I thought that was the Clippers. I was going to be like, oh, man. No, there ain't no Clippers. See that? They said, the guy that gave it to me said, I think he said they're either predominantly black or all black fire department.

So shout out to all the first responders. You do an unbelievable job. Thank you, guys. All the fire department, first responders throughout the country. Thank you for the great job that you do. Anybody that's doing something that a lot of other people couldn't do or don't want to do. So I want to thank you. NICAP, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the great job that you've done. Thank you for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow night. Peace. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi.

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