Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Commanders stun, Chiefs AFC bound, Cowboys culture

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to a wild weekend of AFC and NFC Divisional playoffs. Top stories include Washington Commanders rookie QB Jayden Daniels carries his team to victory over the top-seeded Detroit Lions, Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs advance to their 7th straight AFC Championship game, Unc says the Dallas Cowboys can't have a culture as long as Jerry Jones is at the helm and much more!03:14 - Commanders vs. Lions20:21 - Chiefs vs. Texans41:44 - Cowboys can’t have culture because of Jerry Jones(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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terms, and responsible gaming resources. Ocho, we talked about it. The commander stunned the Lions. 45-31 to advance to the NFC Championship game. It's their first advancement since 1992. Jayden Daniels threw for 299 yards two touchdowns jared groff had a brutal day and this would concern me ocho when your defense is a little sus but all those inches the last thing you can do is turn the ball over and you definitely can't turn it over four times you play double you gave a big six up You took points off the board with Jamison

Williams. You gave him a short field to get another touchdown, and at the end, that little interception didn't matter, but you still had four turnovers. Detroit defense had no answer for Washington's offense. They racked up almost 500 yards of total offense, only had to punt

the ball once. The Commanders will face the winner of the Eagles and the Rams game. The Lions season ends with massive disappointment, and they expect to have a huge turnover. It's reported that both coordinators are probably going to leave. Ben Johnson being rumored to go into the Las Vegas Raiders, and Aaron Glenn, potential the the jets or the saints. We'll see how that plays out,

but Detroit, we'll have to wait another year. Very disappointing season, 15 wins, a lot of pro bowl players on that side, on that football team, Ocho, but the first Superbowl appears for the Detroit Lions.

We'll have to wait another year. Ocho. Let me tell you something, man. Listen, I know the Lions lost and obviously golf has to play better with the defense being held together by duct tape basically their third string out there they have a few playmakers that's pretty much it obviously golf has to understand in order for you

to even have a chance a winning chance you can't turn the ball over you just can't you can't that first half of football i tweeted and i asked and a lot of people answered when was the last time we seen a half of football that exciting and that good where teams were scoring back to back almost every it seemed like almost every series now there was well yeah well you saw it you saw it three weeks ago with Buffalo and Detroit. I think in 2019, if I'm not mistaken, in 2019, the treat, man. The cheese and the Rams? I wish football was like that every Sunday.

Every Sunday. But the fact that we were able to get this treat tonight and the upset that the commanders put on the Lions was absolutely phenomenal. And I want people to understand how important it is and why teams invest in quarterbacks and why they pay quarterbacks the kind of money they pay. Because when you get a franchise quarterback like this, it turns your franchise around immediately. Immediately.

You have to think, they haven't been in an NFC championship in the past 33 years. The past 33 years. This is the first time they scored 45 points, 45 points, which is a franchise record, in the playoffs. Man, I don't even know what to say. I'm so goddamn excited, obviously, for Jayden Daniels, for Commanders fans that have waited for this for who knows how long. Who knows how long?

Just to be in contention, just to be able to compete week to week, and now to be playing an NFC championship at the 33-year hiatus is awesome, man. It's awesome. Yeah, you pay double for turnovers, Ocho, but it doesn't matter if the team can't capitalize on their turnovers and when they turned the ball over Detroit Washington made them play the ultimate price they got points out of them except that interception at the end of the first half Ocho

I don't know golf didn't play well today there's no way around it he didn't play well he got Jamison Williams I don't know why he would throw that post so flat because the guy's in a trail position he's gonna jet it if you throw. He's going to jet it. If you throw it flat, he's going to jet it. We call it jet.

We call it jet. Yeah, every time. What we mean is that he's going to undercut it. Why did he throw it flat? You can't throw the ball that flat. You got to throw it. You got the whole field. And then, to me, honestly, I think the ball was late a little bit.

Lead him across. I think the ball was a little late because that's the first thing I tweeted. I said, man, that ball is late. Yeah. Yeah, it was. But when you turn the ball over like that, give Jay Daniels, man. I don't know. This rookie season that he's

having. Look, you know, we go back and talk about rookie season. We saw CJ Stroud had an unbelievable season he was rookie of the year we say rg3 season he was rookie of the year but for him to do what because we've seen rookie quarterbacks go to the playoff if i'm not mistaken i think mark sanchez went to the playoff but that was a defensive led football team we saw joe flacco go to the playoffs that was was a defensive-led football team. This is an offensive-led football team. Their quarterback is asked to do an awful lot.

And he's like, okay, let me do it. Whatever you need from me. As a rookie, you're not supposed to be this goddamn good this early. Do you see his composure on a zero blitz? Three men coming right at him. He's sitting there chilling. Yes. Just waiting.

Just waiting. He hit Er there chilling. Yes. Just waiting. Just waiting. He hit Ertz twice. Zero blitz. What the hell? Yes. I'm sorry. Yes. Brown makes an unbelievable catch.

Terry McLaurin, they catch him with a bomb. They catch him with a blitz. It wasn't blitz because the safety was in the hole, but he takes a terrible angle and McLaurin hit the

jabs on him, and then he's gone. But Ocho, we knew this. First of all, they're a pressure team. Detroit's a pressure team to begin with. We know once they got the lead, now you've got to take even more chances now

hey guys let's just catch the ball it's a wrap they miss a tackle you can hit your head on the goal post it's a wrap um but jared and this this what really concerned me because jared golf can be great where he goes we've seen him do this old show 18 of 18 for a game but we've seen him do this, Ochoa, go 18 of 18 for a game. But we've seen him throw five picks against the Houston Texans. We've seen him, and they win the ball game. We've seen him turn the ball over two times, three times in a game, and they win the ball game. But you can't turn the ball over against a team that's this explosive on the offensive side of the football.

When they got playmakers, when you got Ertz, who's a three-time Pro Bowl player, you got Terry McLaurin, who's going to another Pro Bowl, who's an outstanding receiver, and you got guys playing exceptional. Brown making big-time plays. Guys running the football, the offensive line. When you have a player like a Jaden Daniels at that position,

which is the quarterback position, everybody believes in him. The offensive line blocks a little harder. Guys run a little harder. Guys make tougher and tougher catches for you because they believe so, hey, I can't let this guy down. I believe in him. The whole team, now the defense is like, hey, let's get the ball back. Now all of a sudden it seems like the ball has a magnet in it

and it's distracted to the other side of the football. Yeah. I've said this before. You pay double for turnovers. And when you're – I believe Detroit was the better team. But guess what happens, Ocho, when you turn the ball over? That team that you might be better than and you're up here, you pull them up to your level.

Yeah. Yeah. And also what I like also with the running game, because Jaden Daniels is such a threat, similar to Lamar Jackson. I'm not saying he's Lamar Jackson. I'm just saying the fact that he has the defense to be able to hold, to be able to hold when he put that ball in Eckler's belly or he put that ball in Brian Robinson's belly

and he made them end, sit for just a little bit, allow them guards to go up to the second level and get that block. Then you're getting five, six yards of pop every time. Okay, and then you want to crash down? You know what? I'm going to take it and go ahead and... Yeah?

That's not your responsibility, though. Yeah. That's what I don't get. They got it fourth and two. Yeah. That's not your responsibility though yeah that's what i don't get they got it fourth and two yeah that's not your responsibility you have contained your responsibility is contained if he runs for a touchdown on the opposite side coach i don't know what you want me to do that's not you that's what that's why i couldn't coach Ocho. He knows his responsibility is contained. Why would you take Ocho? I don't give a damn.

Hey, I'm going to be looking right here at my gap. Right, right. What about Ocho? I don't care. That ain't got nothing to do with me. This is my responsibility over here. And when you're dealing with a guy like him or you're dealing with a guy like Lamar, one false step, the man had a coach tell us all the time, son, if you hesitate, you beat.

You take one false step against a Jane Daniels. You take one false step against a guy like Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. You're beat. You're not going to recover and stop him from getting two yards. That's why they want you to hold contain. Do your responsibility. Nothing in the A gap, nothing in the B gap, nothing in the backside A, B, or outside is your responsibility.

You abandoned your responsibility and you gave up first half. And the funny thing about it is you got your eyes in the backfield on the fake pitch that's going the opposite way anyway. You wouldn't have been able to get there anyway. You wouldn't have been able to get there anyway. You wouldn't have been able to get there. What you going to do? What you going to do? Chase him in the end zone

and have everybody thinking that that's your guy? That's all you going to do, chase him in the end zone? They're going to be like, man, Arnold got beat again. Ocho, if guys would just do their responsibility, whatever that is, if you got a gap, Ocho, if that would just do their responsibility, whatever that is, if you got a gap, Ocho, if that guy comes in outside,

that ain't my responsibility. I got the A gap. Arnold has contained. He must not contain means nothing gets outside of him. Nothing. Hey, Ocho, if I'm security at a club, I got the front door. Somebody coming to me, I don't know what y'all want me to do. That ain't my responsibility.

Hell, you can have somebody back there. I got the front door. What did they tell Vera? Why the girls always coming up? Are you in charge of the girls, Vera? Yeah, I'm in charge of the girl quick. So why the money coming up? Why the money coming up short, Vera? Are you in charge of the girls, Vero? Yeah, I'm in charge of the girl, quick. So why the money coming up? Why the money coming up short, Vero?

You in charge of the girls. Are you accusing me of stealing? I'm just saying why everybody always accounted for it, but the money coming up quick with the girls. Arnold, your responsibility. But, okay, now because GQ, he says, I'm going for the death blow.

I ain't selling for no field goal. I'm going for the death blow. I got this hammer in my hand. I got the momentum and I'm not going to relinquish it. Maybe if you stop them on fourth down, who knows? Maybe that takes some of the wind out of their sail.

It gives you some momentum. But what do they do? They go in and score a touchdown. I get it. Jerry Goff picked the worst time to have one of his worst games of his career. You turn the ball over like that in the postseason, you're losing. Probably 1,000, probably 999 times out of 1,000, you're going to lose a game. If you give up a pick six, you throw a pick in the end zone, you fumble.

Look, like I said, it was four turnovers. He had three. He had three picks and a fumble. That last one, Ocho, the game was basically, I mean, you already, what you're down, 14 points. So you're not coming back. You're not coming back anyway. Bro, you cannot play that bad in that moment. You're too much of a veteran quarterback to be that reckless with the football.

And then you, oh, Joe, this is why they tell, and I get it. I get Jerry Goff. He's like, this is a big game. This is a division around the playoff game. Let me chase. But you're not used to chasing. So you don't know where those guys are coming from you see the thing is once a you and i somebody get a pick the first thing we do every time we're

to stay because somebody coming to get you they're coming to get you so i just be okay hey let me hey let me because the one time i didn't do that i got my clock clean. The first thing, the first, all I can see is like, Listen, rule number one, when there's an interception and you on the, off of the team,

you keep your head on the swivel. Hey, listen, you pursue, but you keep your head on the swivel because you don't know

where it's coming from. No. They can't block back anymore, Ocho, but if you're bringing your ass to the ball, they're going to knock you and you see what happens. The first thing to hit was back anymore, Ocho. But if you're bringing your ass to the ball, they're going to knock you. And you see what happens.

The first thing to hit was his back, his head. He never saw Lovo. He never saw Lovo. He never saw it. And he put his helmet right up on his mofo chin. And then they said that there should have been an ability called on that play. But if you have someone trying to make a tackle on the play,

why can't you block him? Even though it is a quarterback, he had the chance to stop. Oh, because he went. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. I understand. And, you know, it's funny in Jaden Daniels also tonight. Again, Commanders fan, if you're a Commanders fan, you in the chat, you should you should be happy. You should be happy. And I said it when the game was going on, despite no matter who wins this game. If you're a Commanders fan and you know you had Jaden Daniels, you should be happy and excited for the next decade because you know what's to come.

There have been five quarterbacks that have made the conference championship in NFL history in their rookie year. King in 99, Ben Roethlisberger in 2004, Joe Flacco in 2008, Mark Sanchez, obviously that defense-led Jets, Brock Purdy in 2022, and now Jayden Daniels. A young boy is special, man. But if

you think about it, Ocho, think about the guys you mentioned. Now, that 99 team, that team had John Lynch, Rondé Bar it, Ocho, think about the guys you mentioned. Now, that 99 team, that team had John Lynch, Rondé Barber, Warren Sapp, and Jay Brooks, and Simeon Rice.

So that's five guys. I mean, Brooks in the Hall of Fame. Sapp's in the Hall of Fame. Lynch is in the Hall of Fame. If I'm not mistaken, I think Rondé Barber is in the Hall of Fame. So that's four Hall of Famers.

Simeon Rice could easily be in the Hall of Fame. He has some issues. Reporters don't really care about it. But that's a defensive-based football team. Joe Flacco, do I need to say what they had? Suggs, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed. I won't say any more. Look at Mark Sanchez.

Look at what that defensive, that's a Rex Ryan team. That's a defensive-based football team. Brock Purdy's team. Look, they had outstanding weapons, but they played very, very, very good defense. They put so much on Jane Daniels' plate, and he eats it all. He's better than advertised. I thought he could be good, but there's always a learning curve.

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and defense for much of the first three quarters. Yeah, yes. But that Mahone boy gonna going to find a way. The man, they got him going down. He supermans it. Finds Kelsey. But I told you, nephew, hey, he don't have the legs that he once had,

but he's a professional get-open guy. That's what Travis Kelsey is now. Can he run like he once could? No. No. Had he been able to run like he once could, he'd probably have 200 plus yards today. But he can't run like that. But what he can do is still get open.

And he can see things. Like he and my homeboy struggled this year of getting that connection, Ocho, what we had seen them have for the past six years. Oh, yeah. That Wi-Fi. But when they needed it, you know where he's going. And they did a great job.

They doubled him a lot of times, Ocho. You see him run the basic cross. They got the safety coming down to take it away. They played in and out on him. But look, check this out. And I said this before, and people like to keep saying,

Travis Kelsey is the greatest tight end of a play. He's number one in playoff and catches over Jerry Rice. He's 200 yards behind Jerry Rice for the most receiving yards in playoff history. He's two touchdowns behind Jerry Rice for the most touchdowns in playoff history. Ten Pro Bowls.

He had like seven, eight straight 1,000-yard seasons. No other tight end has more than four. He has seven, eight straight. Remember, Ocho, he would have had another one. They sat him out last year because they was already locked into the three seed. The thing that's most impressive about him, as great as he is in the regular season, he's even better in the postseason.

And that's not a knock on anybody. The two top tight ends for me are him and Gronk. I think it's him and Gronk. I'm taking Trav. That's not to say I don't like Gronk. I think Gronk is phenomenal. His relationship with Brady is just like what Trav had with my homeboy.

But you can't deny, you can't deny the numbers. Regular season, the Pro Bowls, the All Pros, the way, big game after big game after big, have you ever left a playoff game? And say, man, Trav let us down, man.

He didn't play good today. I mean, Ocho, and I'm talking about when the money, we shoving all the money, hey, it's finality now. The playoffs is all about finality. It ain't no,

hey, we'll look at the take, we'll bounce back next week. Next week is eight months from now. This guy has been money. 172 postseason receptions. He's far away. He's not done.

He has 2,020 yards. That's second all-time. We know Jerry. Jerry's the GOAT. Not just because of what he did in the regular season. When you ever see a game where you say, man, Jerry let us down in the postseason.

He's two in yards and touchdown. He's a tight end. He's a tight end. And he has a thousand catches. And a whole lot of thousand catch guys what is it

10-12 Ocho only what I think Gonzo has the record he has like 1300 I think Witten has like 1100 and I think he's the next tight end he has a thousand I think Gates had like 9

I think Gates had 9 maybe 9 I think Gates had nine, maybe nine something, and then everybody else, you know, everybody else counted after me, and, but he, for me, Ocho, and the most 100 catch playoff games in postseason history. Can I

interest you in that? A tight end. He's won in most 100-yard games. He's won in catches. He's two in yards. He's won in most 100 yard games. He's won in catches. He's two in yards. He's two in touchdowns. You know what makes most of that possible too long? If you think about it,

if he was on any other team, it wouldn't be the same. The production, the numbers, you know, the accolades wouldn't be the same. And just the right fit, the right offense,

the right quarterback, the right play calling, the right creativity and everything. The rest the right quarterback, the right play calling, the right creativity and everything. The rest takes it, take care of itself. Oh, Joe, he went to the Pro Bowl with Alex Smith. We didn't talk about this guy like

we do now until he got my homeboy. Let's be one thousand. And he was a phenomenal player. Yes! I think he's gone to 10 straight Pro Bowls. You gotta be good to go to 10 straight. And there are times that he had

Kittle not had those all-world seasons. He might have been another, he might have a couple of first-team All-Pros. Brock Bowers had a historic season. But the 10 consecutive Pro Bowls for a tight end. What he's

been able to do, his body of work, when it's all said and done, I think right now it's just he and Gronk at the table having a discussion. I don't know, boy. We don't need to discuss it among ourselves. We're going to let other people discuss it. I don't know, boy. Hey, bro, we don't need to discuss it among ourselves. We're going to let other people discuss it.

I think it's them two. I love them both. Watch them both. It's funny. They both got the same number. Both played. You'll probably say what it's all said and done. All the time, yeah.

They played with the two greatest quarterbacks of all time. That definitely helps. But what he's been able to do, man, like I said, he's at this point in time, he doesn't have the legs that he once had. Very savvy. He's just a professional guy that knows how to get over it. Very savvy. Being able to read defenses.

That's it. And the funny thing about it, not only getting open, is him and my home be on the same page and knowing when to settle. Knowing where to settle, knowing where to be at. And every time, man. Never fail. Oh, Joe. If you play Kansas City,

and if you play a Steve Spagnola defense, the moment he feels threatened, he's coming with the bomb blitz. He's going to blow it up. The moment you threaten him, he's coming. Hell, I know that. How the Chiefs don't know? I mean, how the Texans don't know that?

Bro, they're going to come. If you threaten him, he's coming with the blitz. He's going to blow it up. He'll throw caution to the wind. Damn that safety in the middle of the field. I'm coming to get you. Seven sacks.

They sacked him seven times. What, they had seven sacks in the fourth quarter? Three by George Kalafatas. Kalafatas, yeah. Hey, they got after him. CJ was back. CJ was calling him. Look, they did a great job.

I think, you know what? Colophonus got him early, but he tackled him out of bounds. He kind of tweaked that angle. Tweaked it a little bit. Yeah. But the thing is with Kansas City, you know this, Ocho. And I thought Texas did a good job. They didn't turn the ball over.

I thought Joe Mixon ran the ball well enough. Yeah. But they're going to have to get better on the offensive line. That's the next thing they do now, Ocho. They got, look, Tank Dale is going to miss some time, Ocho. He's going to miss some time. I wouldn't count on him coming back next year early. I don't know what they're going to do with Stephon Diggs. If he's going to take – I don't think –

nobody's going to give him that $30 million coming off an ACL injury, so he might have to take a one-year deal. I don't know if he wants it for it to be there. I would look at staying there because I got a really good quarterback. I got Nico Collins on one side. I like Dalton Schultz at the tight end. Bro, that's a bull jive job that you did on that pass blocking. I ain't saying, look here, bro, I ain't saying you got to be Mark Bavaro

or Gronk or George Kittle, but, bro, you can't do that. Ogumba Wale, that's a bull jive. Two guys should be able to block. A running back at a tight end should be able to block a defensive end. Two guys should be able to, unless it's Reggie or one of these all-worlds, LT, something like that. Ain't no way that should. That was some half-hearted answer. What else?

Watching the game, obviously. You know, a lot of chirping, obviously, from some prominent figures in the NFL that are part of the NFL in general. Talking about some of the calls that were made in favor of the Chiefs. We hear this all the time, especially around the postseason time, sometimes regular season as well. It seems calls are always convenient when it matters most for them to give them whatever it may be.

And one of the things that bothered me, that's starting to bother me just a little bit, I love Mahomes, I love everything they're doing, and just that Mahomes is intentionally playing with defenders to draw some of these... Oh, he slowed down, and the guy pushed him like, bro, you still in bounds. And then he went limp, he went... Yeah.

He went limp on the boat, Joe. But he was still in bounds, bro, get your ass out of bounds. And it's. Yeah. He went little, Baltimore Joe. But he was still in the barrel. Go get your ass out of the barrel. And it's forcing the ref to throw flags and the refs are starting to get a little jumpy. So every time,

but Mahomes is playing around. He's doing it purposely because he's taking advantage of the rules and knowing that he could take advantage of it and he flopping sometimes. And the late slide, that was a late slide. I don't know what the guy, because he got the last second. He go down. And the late slide,

that was a late slide. I don't know what the guy, because he got the last second. He go down. I don't know what you want me to do. I've already committed. He's doing it on purpose because he knows

he can take advantage of the rules. So why not? Now, I'm not sure. It's probably too late now, but at some point next year, the competition committee or whoever,

whoever the powers may be, they need to implement a rule. Never. Not when it comes to that quarterback. They're going to protect. A, the rule, this is what was told to me. When in doubt, if it's a quarterback, throw the flag. I don't care if you get it wrong.

We will not hold that against you. When in doubt, if it's the quarterback, throw the flag. I'm sure you had the chat. if y'all watch the game today, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Now, I'm not saying it's wrong, and I'm not saying it's bad. The Chiefs are great, and all they do, Patrick Mahomes, one of the best ever. But I'm just saying, he's taking advantage

of the rules a little bit. Just a little bit. Yes, sir. Ocho, can I ask you a question? We heard the same thing when tom brady and the patriots were winning it was the referee we heard the same thing oh joe and we saw tom brady get a call chris jones hit the man in the shoulder pad they said he hit the man in the head he didn't touch his head yeah there are a lot of phantom calls. It happens. They called

a penalty tonight on Montgomery. That man didn't touch Montgomery's face. They had to show the man. We see it in slow motion. We're actually seeing it in real time.

It looks fast. In real time. It looks like his head does this. And it looked like, oh, he grabbed his face mask. That man ain't touch that man's face mask. And you throw that flag, you shouldn't be allowed to say face or mask the rest of the year. But I think the biggest call, what got him, is that when Mahomes overthrew Kelsey and Will Anderson hit him in the chest and they thought he hit him in the chin. He didn't.

He couldn't reverse it. And, hey, listen, Mahomes sold it now. He sold it. He sold it. Yes. They good. What would Brady do? Every time they would hit Brady somewhat late,

he started looking at the official that's what the quarterback you're not going to do anything about that but hey hey look at hey how many times you ever saw the official come to the sideline and talk to any other player like the official went to the sideline and talked to

Josh Allen I ain't never seen it I have never line and talk to any other player like the official went to the sideline and talked to Josh Allen. I have never seen an official come to the sideline and talk to a player. Say, look, because he could have thrown a flag all that yelling. They threw a flag on Tom Brady one time, but Tom was probably MFing him.

Normally, they throw a flag on you. You keep yelling. I've seen it a few times. I've seen you keep yelling. I've seen it a few times. I've seen it with Brady. Stop yelling. I've seen it with Josh Allen. And in basketball, I saw it with Michael Jordan. Yeah.

So that's the thing. Ocho, the Texans are the first team in NFL postseason history to outgain an opponent by 100 yards, have zero turnovers, and lose. Prior to today, teams were 49-0 in such games. And boys special, man. And boys special. They just know how to win. And there's an expectation when you've been in this situation,

you got to beat them. How many times? It's normally not a – you got to beat – you had to beat Tom. Convincingly, yeah. You had to beat them. How many times is normally not a you had to beat Tom. Convincingly, yeah. You had to beat him. The only thing you don't want to have happen you didn't want Tom to have the ball with a chance to beat your ass

late in the ball game. You want to be taking a knee. Because it's the same thing with Mahomes. You don't want him to have the ball late with the ball in his hand. And I will say this about the Chiefs, Ocho.

You get the ball to start your offense on the 13-yard line and you kick a field goal, next week you're going home. You do that again. You do that again with Buffalo or Baltimore. You're going home. You're going home. They got the ball again, and they settle for another field goal. Now, I don't know what the Texans are going to do with their kicker.

Yeah. But there's a good chance they're going to probably be on the market for another one. Listen, you heard what I said. I don't know what they're going to do with it, Mocho. If they need a kicker, I'm right here. I mean, that first kick wasn't even close.

I mean, why? Like, what are we doing? Yes. In a game, in a game like that, we're.

And then he missed the extra point, Ocho. Do you know how deflating that is, Ocho? Now we about to tie the game up

and I look, yeah, yeah, yeah, bro. Hey, nice run. Hey,

nice run, Joe. That's a mix. mix hey want to put him in the blender mix blah blah blah and then you're like oh yeah about to tie this thing up take the win right out your sales man damn the win right out your sales yeah man I mean you try to put you try to put a problem that's okay that's okay we good no bro, we up behind. If they don't do anything else and we don't do anything else, we lose. Oh, man.

Bojo, there's been a lot said about the refs favoring the Chiefs. The Texans spoke about it after the game. Let's take a listen to what CJ had to say first. Yeah, you know, those things are tough.

You know, I'm not going to go back and forth on what I thought was a call, what I thought wasn't a call, you know, and, you know those things are tough you know i'm i'm not gonna go back and forth on what i thought was a call what i thought wasn't a call you know and um you know it's one of those things you kind of know what's up before you even walk in the arena and um we got to be better just being um accountable and sound and you know some things you know i think we we had a couple calls and we're called that i'm begging for but at the same same time, it is what it is. You know, like, I can't argue with the ref, and at the same time, play football, I got to go and do my job.

So, yeah, I would say, you know, it's definitely some things that I would question, but at the same time, I mean, they're the professionals. They're getting paid to be refs, and, you know, they did ultimately their best. And, yeah, but, you know, that's the kind of thing, you know, it's us against the world, you know,

when you're playing in these type of environments. I got a question. I got a question. If everybody keeps saying the same thing every year, every regular season, every postseason,

when it comes to the Chiefs, questionable calls, calls that are always convenient and it seems they always side for the Chiefs. At what point are the people right and there's not an excuse made every single time if someone's always saying the same thing all the

time you know if if there's smoke there's fire if there's smoke there's fire somewhere everybody can't be wrong about it the coaches say it the fans it. Sometimes the people in the chat might say it. The people that don't agree are the people that are actually Chiefs fans. But I'm just saying, I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just saying I see questionable things that happen at times that favor the Chiefs. Did you see questionable calls with Kobe? Yes, sir. Did you see questionable calls with Kobe? Yes, sir.

Did you see questionable calls with Michael Jordan? Oh, so, okay. So you know what it is. I just want to make sure we're on the same page. It's going to happen. Okay. Yeah, it's going to happen. Let's take a listen to what Joe Mixon had to say.

Everybody know how it is playing up here. You can't, you can never leave, you can never leave it into the ref's hands. But I mean, the whole world see, man, like what it is,

bro. But it is what it is. You know, like I said, when it come down, so you can never leave it into the ref's hands, man, and things like that.

But it's all good though. Big Lombardi. I know big, he writes out of Delhi. He said, yeah, and things like that. But it's all good, though. Big Lombardi, I know Vic, he writes out of Denver. He said, yeah, I'm done. See? Mahomes can't get separate rules. Vic. Okay, okay.

He's from Denver. Everybody can't be blind to the fact now. Not everybody. The players see it. The coaches see it. People from the outside that are prominent figures, like I said earlier,

in the NFL that have been watching the game for a very long time, and they can see it, the coaches see it, people from the outside that are prominent figures, like I said earlier, in the NFL that have been watching the game for a very long time and they can see it. Now, I see it sometimes as a former player, occasionally, not often,

but most of the time when they do get calls, the calls are warranted when I see it in slow motion. Okay, you know what? The fans might say that's some bull jive, but as a fan,

actually as a player and a fan of the game now, okay, that was warranted. That's really a call. Yeah. I feel, but I told you, but we see, you and I, we discuss it every week. Bro, I mean, the guy laying on the quarterback, personal foul. Bro, I'm like, so what you want me to do? You want me to lay this mofo down?

Hold on. Now, you know, sometimes when we lie and do tackles. They not only do they tackle you when they take you to the ground, you know, they putting all their weight on you too now. But Ocho, I see guys trying to like kick. Right. Yeah, so like I ain't trying to drop my weight on him, and they still throw the flag.

Every time. They're going to protect the quarterback. Chad, I get it. And I get frustrated, too, because sometimes I see it. I'm like, bro, that's not a penalty. I mean, you got to let the guys play at some point in time. But they have been told, if there's any doubt in your mind, and it's on that guy, throw the flag.

You know what's funny? Throw the flag. Even without the goddamn calls in favor of the Chiefs they would still be winning these games i recall they would still be winning the game because when it matters most and 15 has the ball in his hands he's going to make it happen in 99.9 percent of the time made for this mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma and silence the negative voices that have kept them small through raw conversations,

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and former Cowboy Greg going at it on Twitter. Dan's tweeted, First, what Dan Quinn is doing Dan tweeted, first, Dan Quinn what Dan Quinn is doing in Washington. Jerry, everybody needs to go, including Zim. I knew Washington was going to be successful because of DQ. Daz,

why you keep saying Jerry? Jerry had an opportunity to hire Dan Quinn, and he kept Mike McCarthy. So when are you going to... I understand you have a great... I understand your relationship with Jerry, but when are you going to... I understand you have a great... I understand your relationship with Jerry, but when are you going to put this at Jerry's feet? Because that guy didn't take the job

because he thought he was going to get the job. And then once it became abundantly clear, Jerry was going to drag his feet, he took another job. What you want that man to do? I ain't fit to be no damn coach and waiting for the rest of my life. Keep passing over opportunity after

opportunity while Jared swings his feet. Hell nah. From now on, I'll speak truth about my cowards, good or bad. Jared has built a great brand. That's all he's done. Brand. And now it's time for the team to start winning. It's time for a real culture shift. I'm fed up with all this nepotism. Get someone in there

who can win games. Hold on, wait a minute. Hold on, talk about what you mean. That's what they are, Brian. That's what this is. What you mean to start winning? Culture. You can't have culture dance, Brian,

when your owner doing what he does. You know where culture starts at, huh? You know where culture starts at. That starts from the top. Culture don't start from the coach. Culture starts from the top. Culture don't start from the coach. Culture starts from the top. Hold on, Ocho.

Ocho, before you go any farther, Michael Farson responded, stuff that irritates me, Daz, because you had enough. You had enough. He put a T in front of it, but I know what he meant. You had enough talent and was probably one of the greatest in your time. You could have changed the culture, brother.

You could have changed the culture. Wait a minute now. Now, Michael. Michael Parsons, what does the front office have to do with players' actions and players be responsible for their actions? Dan shot back. I had to double back because you really said I could have changed the culture. Emphasize that.

And if you don't know, I was never on a yes man, political ass, kicking, kissing ish. I sacrificed myself so a lot of you could do what you do. I'm on some ish way deeper than football. You really too young to understand. You realize that soon you need to do more people like don't give a f for the better up or the athletes the way i talked to jerry was what the way versus the way you talk to jerry is totally different now let it sink in

oh now we can get now we can get all the players even the active Now when you say you say you like that. Hey, I told me you like that. I like that. See Now we can get now we can get all the players even the active players to start talking their truth But there's always been there since day one that there they never change there They never conform there's was never PC. So what you hear from here now is nothing new. That's always been him. I don't believe, I don't believe you can have a culture as long as Jerry's the owner. Because what happens is

you need one voice. That voice needs to emanate from the coach. If I can circumvent anything that the coach, any authority that the coach have by going to his superior, how does the coach lay a foundation to establish said culture? The thing that they know in New England, ain't nobody going to Bob Craft, Mr. Craft, and circumvent anything Coach Belichick.

I had a great relationship with Mr. Boland. Man, I wish I would have took my happy black ass upstairs and said, Mr. B, let me tell you what Mike talking about. He gonna look at me like, Sharpie, what you want me to do? Nothing. Don't tell him I came up here to your office to tell you. Let's start with that. Let's keep this between us

the thing was is that when you have one voice now that takes a lot where is this coming from who is this coming from see you heard the thing

Ocho the problem they have in Cowboys they know when Mike McCarthy is standing in front of them that Jerry's talking he's moving his mouth but Jerry you know he's your pedal yeah standing in front of them, that's Jerry's talking.

He's moving his mouth, but Jerry, he's your peddle. The difference is when Mike Shanahan stood up there and talked, that was Mike. But also he gave us, remember, nah, bro, we're not going to do that. What's your weight?

Okay, bring your ass in and be make weight hey i'm their guy hey go get on the bike it ain't but two pounds go get on the bike for 10 minutes hey you good you're gonna be able to drop that bro get in the hot tub hey yes yes yes bro That's our responsibility. Bro, clean up the, come on, bro. How you, here's the laundry basket right there. You gonna throw the towel on the floor, bro? Really, that's what you gonna do?

You can't get your, I mean, the towel right there by you. And you just leave the towel in front of your locker. You leave the towel, bro, come on now. Bro, clean. Mike gave us the authority to police the locker room. We had established a culture that I had adopted from the older guys, from the Dennis Smith and the Steve Atwater and the Max and the John. And hopefully my job was to try to pass that on.

That's what you got to have, Ocho. The guy that when you see Ray and the way you conduct yourself and he's watching the way Woody and how we do things, myself and Rod, hopefully he passed that along and the culture was established. And so now you get an Ed Reed and you got a Suggs and you got guys like that. That's what you

play like a Raven. They're never going to have that because Jerry won't allow it. Jerry won't allow it. I mean, a lot of things transpire. Hold on. There are a lot of things that happen once I leave Ochoa.

I just try to put the guys in the best situations I possibly could to be successful. But there's a lot of things going on, a lot of dealings that I wouldn't have tolerated. Listen, guys, we got to be professional and all that other stuff. That's the kind of stuff that'll tear the fabric from a locker room. You know that's somebody's people, and then you're trying to go behind their back

and you're trying to do, no, no, no, no. That ain't how we do stuff right here. I don't go for that. I'm just trying to figure out why you're trying to do no, no, no, no. That ain't how we do stuff right here. I don't go for that. I'm just trying to figure out why you're trying to do that. Why are you mad at him about trying to see some girl and you married?

How that look? That's weird. That happen? Yeah, I'm confused. I'm like, bro. Yeah, I'm trying, just like I told you,

I said, bro, let me ask you a question. How are you mad at him? Talking about that's your girl. That's real? He's mad with three kids. That's a good story. Man, look here, bro.

That's a good story. Let me tell you. I kept the peace. My job, my job was not only to play. My job was to keep the peace and keep stuff like that. Because that would tear a locker room apart. And it got nothing to do with football. We're going to keep football football.

That's what we're going to do. Bro, your wife get rid of this right here because you know because at the end of the day, he's going to get mad at you. You're doing things to try to salt him up. He's going to tell your wife, now what? Now you're going to want to fight. Why are you fighting a man that's single about seeing somebody you married and you're trying to get at her?

Come on, bro. It don't work like that. You get one. You get one. You get your wife. You get your main one. You can't take three or four off the shelf and put them in the back you know like footlocker ocho you got a boy working there hey put a pair

of shoes in the back for me no you get one you get to put one on the shelf and everybody stay away from other than that it's fair game it's fair game so you not finna hide four or five pair of shoes. We're going to sell, we're selling them shoes, bro. I'm just kidding. I'm going to keep it one file with y'all. Yes,

sir. But see, that's the, that's the job of a leader is to keep the peace in the locker room because there are a lot of things that can eat at the fabric of a locker room that ain't got nothing to do with football. It ain't got nothing to do with money. Hey,

we'll keep money out of this. Look, all that gambling. Look like, like Mike said, like rookies, we didn't really let a whole lot of rookies gamble because, first of all, y'all ain't got that kind of money. And you're right. And we can't have Mike saying, look, I can't have y'all out there. Y'all owe $84,000, $20,000, and you're thinking about that. Oh, yeah.

So, look, no, no, come on, that. Oh yeah. So look, no, no, come on guys. But that, that, that culture thing is true. People don't realize it.

People don't realize how valuable culture is in a locker room until you don't have that veteran leadership in there. And you get guys running a month doing all kinds of things. And then you like, well, damn, I realized that sharp had more value he was valuable and i'm not talking about just on the field because what mike didn't realize until i left

a lot of things that i snuffed out right never made it to him he didn't know ish about it but that's what veterans do that's what leaders. You say, hey, bro, what's really going on? What's the problem? Okay, you got a problem at home? Okay, how can we help? What's going on? What does she think you're doing? Bro, you cannot.

You cannot go out and come in at 3, 4 in the morning. What homeboy you got? So what you telling her? You can't tell her I'm out. Hell, come on. I don't even go out with my own homeboys and come in at 3, 4 in the morning. I used to tell Bucket all the time. Nah, bro.

You're not finna mess with my home. Hey, my homeboy in town. Hey, yeah, sharp man. Hey, come on, Bucket. You're not finna mess up my home. Got me coming in because you want to come in at 3, 4 in the morning. Oh, hell nah. No, no bro you can't do that i'm not gonna tell you you grown-ass man but i'm i'm not gonna tell you what you can and what i'm gonna tell you what you shouldn't do i can't tell you what you

can't do because you're grown but i'm gonna tell you what you shouldn't do and if you want peace, if you want, because at some point in time, Mike going to wonder why your place slipping, why you seem distracted, why you keep busting assignments, why you're not where you're supposed to be. And then eventually, Hey, Mike Shanahan cut you.

I ain't telling you that. Oh, Mike, Michael eat $5 million, $6 million. He will cut your ass. So I just want to know how you want to play this thing. Man, Sharp, man, hey, I appreciate that. Bro, I appreciate you coming to me.

But I can't keep Micah off your ass if you keep making these kind of mistakes. Because I can only lie so much. The volume. The Made for This Mountain podcast exists to empower listeners to rise above their inner struggles and face the mountain in front of them. So during Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being, and then climb that mountain. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the struggle. Listen to Made for This Mountain on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and

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