Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Dak’s season-ending injury, Allen fighting for MVP, Ja’Marr Chase frustrated

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from the NFL season including, Dallas Cowboys QB Dak Prescott’s season-ending injury, Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen fighting for MVP, Ja’Marr Chase is frustrated with the Bengals and much more!03:48 - Who’s surprised by the Jets?11:47 - Bryce Young gets win over Giants14:49 - Dak Prescott’s season-ending surgery18:50 - Christian McCaffrey makes debut against the Bucs28:07 - Josh Allen has taken over as MVP front runner36:10 - Ja’Marr Chase is frustrated Bengals can’t close out games40:10 - A Look at the Kansas City Chiefs42:35 - Aaron Rodgers could leave the Jets soon55:20 - Daniel Jones officially waived by the Giants57:50 - Jets fire GM Joe Douglas(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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cause that's the one thing I love about football it's not like when you play one on one you play make it take it I make a basket I take it back out again now in football

I score a touchdown I kick it up you can score too but they they not gonna have they ain't gonna have nobody ain't nobody

nobody else to fire ain't nobody else to fire. Ain't nobody else to blame. You fired Salah. See, you got to be careful when you do things for the wrong reasons. See, a lot of this has to do with him being mad

at the Packers for drafting Jordan Love. So I'm going to go show you that I still got something left yeah if you're not Ocho you heard me say it a lot if you're not careful you'll become the very thing you despise the most in a person

the guy that preceded him what did he do he got mad because they took a quarterback and where did he go first when he left Green Bay? The same thing. Same thing. I mean,

Devontae Adams had 13 targets. He called six passes for 31 yards. Damn. He probably thinking I could have stayed where I was, did exactly this, and kept. I paid the state income tax in Jersey, New York, wherever it is, about 10%.

I paid nothing. 10%? The state income tax in New York, New Jersey, has got to be like 10%. 10 who? I catch you all at the end of my career. I'll pay you back later what's that?

Jersey is 10.75 almost 11 cause he stays in Jersey so we don't have to do New York but he stays in Jersey nobody stays in the city New York's 11 so he's playing

10.75%. That's crazy. Well, you know how that is? Yeah. How the giraffe hoo-ha. But here's the thing, Ocho. That's the thing. You just think, see, what Peyton,

because remember, when Peyton got to Denver, they went 13-3. They won like seven, eight games in a row. Had the number one seed. Baltimore did come in and knock them off in the divisional round. Peyton finished second in the MVP voting. The next year, they go to the Super Bowl. Peyton, they break all the records.

Peyton, over 5,400 passing yards, NFL record. 55 touchdowns, NFL record. 55 touchdowns, NFL record. Go to the Super Bowl. The following year, Peyton throws 39 touchdowns. We see what Tom does. His first year there. So we're like, hey,

they do it, ain't they? Those are two natural-born leaders. Natural people gravitate towards them. You don't see Aaron as a leader, huh? I mean, just your own personal opinion. Outside of the dumpster.

All I know is what I've read. What I've read with coaches. Oh, okay. I see what you mean. Not coaches, excuse me. What I've read with the reports about the CEO, Mark Murphy. Aaron, don't you be the problem. They don't consult with him.

They didn't consult with him when they hired. They didn't consult with him when they let somebody go. Damn. The mere fact of how he does things when Mike Williams, oh, I was expecting Mike Williams to do this and he redlined and he was supposed to redline.

Bro, why would you do that? You can't throw your play under the bus. Why would you do that? Name the time you've play under the bus. Why would you do that? Name the time you've ever heard Peyton Manning. Name the time you've ever heard Peyton or Tom Brady because this is the guy that he wants to be in the category with. When has Tom Brady ever thrown somebody under the bus? When has Peyton Manning ever thrown somebody under the bus?

They'll eat it. They'll eat it and then have the conversation with the guys like, look, you know I was expecting you to be on the red line, right? Not run the end cut. Yeah. Every chance he get, what does he do?

You saw him in Green Bay. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Hey, speaking of Mike being on the red line, you know they had that exact same play today. Mike, oh, Mike had just

had that exact same play today with the cover zero and the corner for sitting there squatting, waiting on the slam, waiting on the pass real quick. Bro! But Ocho, you can't stand that far inside. You can't give a receiver that kind of pre-release

to let him just run straight up the field. And he's standing inside, which made it even worse. And pushed him off the inside. Yeah, that was a good play. That was a good play by Mike. These guys here, Ocho, these guys are too good.

If you don't put hands on them... Oh, but remember it was coming zero, so he was off, huh? Remember? He would say, he would say, he would say no. Yeah. Yes. But Ocho, you can't be that far inside.

He was tripping. Because if he... Think about it, you're already two yards inside. If he stim you inside, now you're going to be three to four. You give that guy so much area to just throw the ball. And rough throws as good a deep ball as anybody. Like they call it a little moon ball. Right down in your pocket. You ain't got no chance to recover

I don't care how fast you is no you can't cover that and you get he give him a big target cause he got all this to drop it up he can't he ain't got to drop it down what we call trying to he don't have to drop it down to the chimney I got a big old radius that I can throw it

into I can throw it here I can throw it here I can let you catch it over here because I'm not worried about the DB is so far behind. And then if I throw it over his shoulder, I can use my body, Ocho. He got to come through me to break the play up.

Yeah. But I don't think it, I don't know. Maybe Jets fans are surprised, but I'm not. Hell, I'm surprised, honestly. I thought things would have been different. I was giving Aaron Rodgers his praise for what I felt he was going to be able to do on the field.

I didn't really care about the stuff he was doing off of it. You know, do whatever the hell you want to off of it. I'm expecting him to look like maybe not the Aaron Rodgers of old. Just give me 50% of that. Give me 50, 60% of the old Aaron Rodgers. And I thought, you know, the Jets, they're going to be on one. They're going to be fighting. Well, he talking about cayenne water and lemon.

Who's that? How'd that work out for him today? Cayenne. Yeah, cayenne water, cayenne pepper water and lemon oh it's the fountain of youth even had the kicker that drilled the field go oh yeah this thing is working bro that stuff don't work look

I understand all that cleanse and you go to these holistic places and they give you all that stuff I get it I ain't never heard no cayenne I know about the Porsche cayenne cayenne. I know about the Porsche cayenne. Cayenne pepper. They put cayenne pepper and they put water, lemon.

I mean, what was he had? And somebody said, I've discovered a fountain of you. Bro, clearly you don't watch yourself play. Because ain't nothing useful about you. Ain't nothing. I'm not breaking any new chat. Do y'all think there's anything useful about Aaron Rodgers play

does he cayenne pepper water does he move like he once did absolutely not Bryce Young got the job

during in Germany Ocho against the Giants Giants currently hold the number one pick in the NFL draft Ocho should the

Giants draft should do it yeah I tweeted that earlier I tweeted that earlier I tweeted that earlier today I ain't gonna let that happen you don't think so nope

have the Giants ever drafted a black quarterback before hell no hell no hell no hey the way you said it you know that was funny bryce young 15 to 25 126 a touchdown cuba hubba had an outstanding day 28 rushes a buck 53 and a touchdown they ran the ball 32 times for buck 88 daniel jones was 22 of 37 190 190, and two interceptions. But it was Tracy that fumbled in overtime that led to the game-winning

field goal by the Carolina Panthers. Yeah. Oh, yeah, boy. Oh, yeah. And they're talking about they're going to evaluate the quarterback position. Evaluate what? Who, huh? Yeah, they're talking about, you know, they're going to evaluate the quarterback position. Evaluate what? Who, huh? Yeah, they're talking about they're going to evaluate it.

They're open to making changes at the quarterback. It's too late now. Y'all might as well go and stick with Daniel Jones. You know he's saying that to save his job, huh? He can't save it. It's over. Wait, now. Wait, here, you might as well make a change.

Who's the backup Tyrod no Tyrod Tyrod wait I got the wrong New York team I'm tripping no Ocho

it's you might as well just you know what you got might as well put pulling might as well pulling hey you talking about you evaluating them

you want to give yourself a chance to win? A chance to do something. I mean, who's the backup in New York anyway? Who's the backup quarterback? It's somebody known, too. Drew Locke. Drew Locke.

Oh, yeah? Okay, okay. Yeah. Okay. Drew Locke Drew Locke yeah okay yeah okay yeah I mean look they gamble hey GM how that looking now

guys you can run the ball fairly well I mean Porter Jr. runs the ball really well Singletary he's just your quarterback no team that's good enough to overcome poor quarterback play Junior runs the ball really well. Singletary, he's just your quarterback.

No team is good enough to overcome poor quarterback play. Now, you might want to game or two because we saw tonight, Jerry Goff turned the ball over five times and his team came back. But you all, other teams don't have that kind of high power octane offense either. No. No, they don't have that kind of high power octane offense either. Nope. No, they don't. The Giants currently hold the number one pick. I stay in that position.

But they have a new coach. Dak Prescott is planning to undergo season-ending on a partially torn hamstring, pending an opinion of one final specialist. Schefter added that Dak will meet with a specialist in New York, but the Cowboys doctor already believed he needs surgery that would sideline him for four months.

The Cowboys did not place Dak on injury reserve today, trading away a fourth-round pick four days before it comes out that your quarterback, hold on, that does a fourth-round pick four days before it comes out that you're quarterback. Hold on. That does make it even more egregious because you knew Dak was injured and you traded for – but anyway, I don't care that Mingo has two years left on his deal, completely insane price, if you know the season is probably over. That's what Dave Hellman –

Hey, Jerry said he was going to get a receiver. He said – you said he was going to get a receiver. He said, you said he was going to get a receiver. He went and got one. He went and got one. Listen, we're going to see tomorrow. We're going to see tomorrow. I hope Dak has, I hope Dak,

he heals fast. I that he heals fast I hope he heals fast you know scrap it's over it's off the phone he ain't healing up I'm just saying

I hope he heals fast I'm definitely not yeah he can heal slow I'm not talking about the comeback I mean this season I mean just in general

we're on the hill fast so he can get back in yeah not get back out there on the field but just get back into. Yeah. Not get back out there on the field, but just get back into a groove of working yourself back into shape

and being able to throw the ball. That's one thing you don't play with. Soft tissue injuries. That groin, that groin, that hamstring. The kidneys area, your calves.

Calves. Boy, I don't, I don't miss that. You see what? Hamstring. Zion's gonna miss time with a hamstring. Kevin and Rand's gonna miss time with a calf.

They don't. Because you definitely, you play with your lower body. Where you going? If they grab it, I mean, man. Yep. Well, hopefully, like you said, he gets the final prognosis.

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Ocho, they got the Bucs at Tampa. They got Seattle at home, at Green Bay, at Buffalo, Chicago at home, Rams at home, at Miami, Detroit at home on a Monday night, and Blex gang, 2BD against Arizona Week 18. Do you think they go on the run? Absolutely. Absolutely. I think they would have went on the run even if CMC didn't come back. I think they would have went on a run even if CMC didn't come back.

I think they would have went on a run. But just adding him back to that offense and the dynamic that he brings in the passing game and running game is tremendous. It makes it that much more difficult for you to defend them defensively. I know Brent Ayuk is out. I think Jawan Jennings is coming back. I could be wrong

if I'm not mistaken. Debo's back. Killers are still there. And CMC, that makes them that much more dangerous. Mike Shanahan with CMC back. The book opens up even more exponentially. That's a big word for me. I can't spell it, but it's a big word for me. Saquon was drug tested after he was reversed.

Pardon me, but I'm late. Ochoa, explain why the NFL does this to people at home when something spectacular, a guy has, you know, three touchdown catches or 200 yards or 180 yards rushing. A guy has three, four sacks. All of a sudden, randomly, he comes up on a drug test. Anytime you have a game like that, Jamar Chase. rushing a guy has three four sacks all of a sudden randomly he comes up on a drug test anytime you have a game like that uh jamar chase jamar chase please expect the drug test in your locker tomorrow

or monday morning whatever whatever day it is normally when you have a performance like that a performance that doesn't happen as frequent uh or as often uh they drug test you i'm not sure what they're what they're thinking they're going to catch. I think they just have an insight, well, this doesn't happen as often as it should. So the fact that it happened today and in this game, and you've had numbers that are kind of extraordinary, we're going to test you and see if you took something that resulted in helping you perform the way you did today. It's weird. I'll never forget. I got drug tested a few times.

One that I can remember clear as day was a performance after we played the San Diego Chargers. I'll never forget. We played the San Diego Chargers. I think I had a 260-yard day, 260-yard day, two touchdown, two touchdown game. Chase broke your record tonight? I think, yeah. I think he had, what did he have, 264 tonight?

He broke my record last year, his rookie year. Remember, yeah, he had 266. Oh, yeah. He had 266. He broke it last year. He had 264 tonight. And, I mean,

to be able to have multiple games like that, is unreal. Unreal. And you have to think today today's game is a lot different than it was when we were playing huh you know it was we were we were run first now they throw the goddamn ball all over the place you can't play defense you can't touch nobody so the game is the game is kind of kind of different now where it's almost damn near like 707 with helmets and pads on. But, but dude, that motherfucking Chase, man.

Shit. But that motherfucker special. We get it. That boy's special. Yeah. Mocho, one of the NFL players is an heir to a $500 million

potato empire. St. Center, Conor McGregor, is in his eighth NFL season and his family company is the biggest potato producer in america their main potato supplier of mcdonald's raisin canes wendy's and frito late chips and when con and mcgovern was drafted by the broncos in 2016 some of his teammates were curious why he

was playing football when he can make far more money back home farming his response i wanted to make a name for myself and show that my hard work earned myself something and I wasn't riding the coattails of everybody. But whenever his NFL career ends, the 31-year-old said he would go back to R.D. his family's

company back to research, I guess research and develop though he said he'll work his way up from the bottom, just like everybody else, and earn his way up, just like he did in his football career. So the next time you're snacking on McDonald's fries, remember those potatoes are likely coming from Conor McGovern's family farm.

That's dope. That's dope. And I like that. Most of the time when you have success or a kid is born into wealth, they don't have that same drive and that work that it takes to want to work and actually put the work in to earn and see what it's like to have the responsibilities and what it takes to earn that kind of money to be able to support yourself. So I'm not sure if his parents raised him that way, but the fact that he is the way he is is commendable and then not only for the business to already be successful but to have an nfl career and say i'm gonna make good money in nfl and then when i do retire i'm gonna start from the bottom of the business and work my way back up to the top

ain't too many people built like that huh yeah but he should because i'm sure he doesn't know the business because he was like playing football, college football, NFL football, like the people that's already there. Although a lot of times, yeah, you're right, Ocho, a lot of times family members, hey, my family coming, I want to start at a BP level as opposed to an entry level, learn the ropes and work your way up. That's why I've always been impressed by Peyton Manning. His dad made lots of money. Eli made lots of money.

And they're going to be number one draft picks overall and make careers for themselves. You have to commend that. When your dad is somebody, your mom, your family is somebody and you say, yeah, that's fine and good, but I want my own name. People used to tell me all the time, man, your brother got money. That's his money.

My brother don't want to be taking care of no grown ass man. He got a wife and kid. So I want to earn my own. I want to do my own thing. I appreciate everything that my brother gave me. He gave me just enough to make me desire

to get more, but on my own. I saw the thing that he had and he knew I wanted to be like him. Hey, bro, check this out. Look what I got. Damn. Inspiring, ain't it?

Man. And I got everything with the exception I don't know if you remember this, Ocho, but in the 80s, they came out with a BMW called the M3. It had a spoiler on the back and everything. With the exception of that, and he had a Typhoon. Every other car that my brother had, I got it.

You got your one? He got a Ferrari, I got a Ferrari. He got a Big Benz, I got a Big Benz. Whatever car he had, I got it. Because that's what I saw. That's what drove, that's what motivated me. And for Conor McGrath, a governed family, to be who they are. And he said, no, yeah, that's good.

Fine. But I want my own name. And no matter what happens, I've had an NFL career that's expanded eight years. Maybe it goes nine, ten, who knows. But when my career's over, yeah, I'm still young. Oh, Cho, think about it. He'll only be 30. Let's just say for the sake of argument,

his career goes another two years. He'll be 33 years of age. Yeah. I mean, he's made good money. He can retire if he want to. We can say, no, we're going to go into the family business and we're going to expand. So I bet I love that.

I love when kids come from wealthy families or well-off families and don't feel entitled. I love that. No matter what you want to say, because a lot of times they have access. Bronnie had access. LeBron made sure he had the best trainer. He had the best nutritionist. He had the best trainer. He had the best nutritionist. He had the best coaches.

He had the best of everything. But the kid said, I want to make it on my own. Now, he's never going to be able to outrun his dad's shadow. His dad is LeBron. It's just like Jordan. Kids, they're never going to be

able to outrun the door's dad's shadow. But just because that's my dad, I shouldn't walk for myself? So you mean to tell me I shouldn't walk for myself. So you need to tell me, I can't, I can't walk to accomplish something. Just my last name is supposed to get it. I,

so I commend the kid. I commend him. I love the opportunity. Look, he's supposed to, you're supposed to give them an opportunity. All this old nepotism. And nip your ass out my face.

But like I said I want I love when kids want to be something on their own you know what I'm saying I can't do anything I can't help who my parents are what I was born into but I

have a desire to be known by more than that I did that on my own. Yeah, that's my brother. But Sterling ain't catch no passes at Savannah State. He ain't catch no passes for the Broncos or the Ravens. So no matter what y'all know this, you know this, NFL want to know who can help.

Can you help me win games? That's all it come down to. Because Sterling ain't playing over here. He playing on the green bay. He helping green bay win games. That's all it come down to. Because Sterling ain't playing over here. He playing on the green bay. He helping green bay win games. So kudos to you, Connor McGovern. Josh Allen has officially overtaken Lamar as the MVP front runner. Josh Allen is now a plus 150.

Lamar Jackson is a plus 200. Jerry Goff is a plus 600. Jalen Hurts is fourth with plus 1,200. Patrick Mahomes is plus 1,300. And Kyler Murray is plus 1,500. In the regular season, Josh Allen has passed for 2,543 yards, which is seventh, 18 touchdowns, which is 6th, 5 interceptions. He's tied for 5th.

I mean, he's tied for 57th, which is a good thing. And his QBR of 72.6 puts him in 4th. Lamar, he's 2nd in passing yards, 2,876. He's 2nd in touchdowns, 25. He's tied for 47 with three interceptions. He's number two in QBR and 75.1. Hey, you know what's funny?

Everything, the way you just ran it down, with Goff probably, Goff and Josh Allen obviously being the back and forth, it's going to change because Lamar is not going to play another bad game like he did against the Steelers. He's going to come out and he's going to be the front runner again. And then go out and he's going to put on an unbelievable performance.

I'm not sure what their schedule is or who they're playing next. But the other teams aren't used to this. It's not a divisional game. It's not going to be a divisional game. They're not going to have the structured defense to be able to contain him the way the Steelers do. The Steelers are built to be able to stop a player like himself because they're used to seeing him and understanding that team's tendencies

offensively. So he's going to come out. He's going to have one hell of a day, do some crazy stuff on the ground, do some crazy stuff in the air, and he's going to be back at the number one spot to an MVP. I guarantee you. Guarantee. Yeah, I mean, look.

I mean, he has another game against the Steelers. Steelers have given him problems. One and four. He has some pretty tough games, though. One and four. Yeah. He has another game, but this game is at home against the Steelers. Who do they have? They got the Steelers. I think they got another game, but this game is at home against the Steelers. Who do they have?

They got the Steelers. I think they got another game against Cleveland. Yeah. At Chargers this week. He's at the Chargers this week. Eagles at home. At Giants. Home versus the Steelers.

At Texans. Home versus the Steelers, at Texans, home versus the Browns. So it ain't like he got some cupcakes on the schedule now. Again, every team you just named don't have the personnel like the Steelers do to be able to stop

what he's able to do and what he does well. What about the personnel going up against his defense? What about the Eagles offense against that defense? What about the Texans up against his defense? What about the Eagles offense against that defense? What about the Texans offense against that defense? Hey, can I tell you something?

See? You do know your Ravens team is dead last in the secondary when it comes against the pass. Hey? Hold on. I've been trying. Hold on. But see, when I tell people that, they say, well, you trying to,

you trying to. No. See, when people tell me, oh, now you could tell Shannon didn't watch the game. You watching it, but you don't know what the hell you're looking for. Right. You're like a blind dog in a meat house. You can't tell me fronts. You can't tell me coverages.

You can't tell me formations. You can't tell me anything. All you watching for is touchdowns and sacks. I'm watching to understand why they have success. So while you tell me I'm not watching it, you're watching it, but you don't know what the hell you're looking at. It's like you're watching a farm for them, and they got subtitles. Unless they give you subtitles, you don't

know what the hell you're looking at. I've been telling them, but they gave me an excuse. Wait till this guy comes back. Wait till that guy comes back. Well, I saw you guys in there when you had those guys, and your defense was still bad in past defense. It must have been a stop of the run. That second level.

At some point in time, fans will have to understand, everybody is not a hater. Sometimes people are just trying to give you information. Our job is sometimes to be entertaining, is to be informative, to be educational. Okay, yes. I say a lot of things in a joking manner, but I'm actually giving you factual information if you just listen to it. But you don't want to because you want to paint this narrative that, oh, Shannon is a hater.

But listen to what Shannon said. When it comes back, what did I tell you? Then you talk about, oh, oh, I could have capped an obvious. Well, you didn't say it. Yeah. But, but people don't just don't want to get no credit.

Boy, people don't want to get no credit. Ooh. Because if I didn't, if I didn't say it, why didn't you say that before? I said it. Well,

I knew that. No, you didn't. Cause I take it to the black. I'll take it to the board and say, well, drop me a cover six. Drop me cover seven. Draw me a cover seven.

Give me five zone. Okay, give me this formation. Give me this protection. I want you to redirect. What you mean by that? No, you know it. You're watching the game. You should know.

I don't think the casual fan can't do that. Hell no, they can't. But they just want to jump on your timeline and try to, well, he ain't watching the game. I am watching the game. I also know that

when you throw the ball more than you're running as a Raven, you lose. That's what I do. That's it right there. I'm the one that said, put Derrick Henry in the eye.

Ain't nobody else say that. I said it from the drunk. I said he's not his own readback because he's a long strider and he needs time to be able to redirect. When you put him that close to the line, he's such a long strider, he can't redirect his feet.

Barry Sanders, a short strider can do it. He's perfect. That's perfect for him. But Derrick Henry needs to be able to change direction. He needs to be able to check his feet and cut back, get back downhill. That's why you put his heels at eight. You toss it to him. You hand it to him.

And boom. Now, whoever drew up that damn play, that they tossed that ball to Derrick Henry and they let T.J. Watt come in there and blow his ass up, they should have put him back there running back and let the same thing happen. Don't block T.J. Watt and let T.J. Watt knock his ass in the back. The right tackle should have known better. I'm not sure what the blocking assignment was, but why would you let T.J. Watt run Scott free with the pitch,

even though the pitch is going the opposite way? Still. Every time. He can get there every time. Yes. every time every time yes I'm just like I'm like who who thought that was a good idea

hey we gonna run this tall play week but we gonna unblock TJY okay and you see what happened damn that guy digging and I'm like that's why I stopped

playing running back cause I got tired my bad sharp well it ain't your bad I'm way down the damn field. I ain't got to worry about my bad. I ain't got to worry about my bad, though, Joe. I got tired of you.

Hey, my bad. That's me. That's on me. Bro. Right. You done got me looking at my ear hole, but you talking about your bad. What did I do? Hey, speaking of that, think about how bad it is for quarterbacks

when the O-line is playing bad, when they can't block and the quarterback continues to get sacked over and over and over. And you can't fuss with them. Then you have to keep your mannerisms and your ways to express has to be on point. You do. No matter how many times you get hit in the game. Imagine.

I want to ask you. Ocho, let me ask you a question. Right. When the Cowboys fell behind by 10, 13 points with no threat of the running game, what you think the Texans thinking? Yeah. They ain't playing for no draw.

They not playing for no run. They pinning their ears back. You, everybody in the stadium know you not going to run it. And now you made it very, it's very, I don't care who your offensive linemen are. You let them jokers know that every single down you're going to throw it. Make no sense.

Jamar Chase is angry with the team's inability to close that game. Ask how do you fix it? He said, ask Zach. Ask the coaches. Don't ask me. I just play football. I don't call play. Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa who said chase oh the situation where they had a first they had they ended up getting the first down right but joe missed jamar for a touchdown guys pressed the inside release and the guys collided

yeah yeah he went straight up the field and when he threw it he was jumping up and down joe didn't see it i tweeted it i saw it they didn't replay it but i saw it i saw it yeah i sometimes you know your quarterback won't always know everything he won't know what could happen and the fact that the guys collided that means the ball really won't come through anyway. Because you know, you know, you want to read.

And you know, hold on on that touchdown. Oh, Joe, just let my mind. Oh, Joe, which one?

Which one? The long touchdown to T Higgins. Yes. God in bracketing. Why? If the safety is inside, why is the corner trying to jump the sluggo? Stay on the upfield shoulder.

Oh, he's trying to get that pick, huh? He's trying to get that pick. I just stayed in there. He's trying to get that pick, huh? Oh, somebody said they replayed it. I didn't see it. But I tweeted immediately, and I know I was like, bro, y'all got to play off. You can't be that close when you're like that because what's going to happen

when he pushes up the field and one guy goes and, hey, y'all going to collide? And sure enough, but that's disfustration. He knows they're running out of games. And there are no two-win games on the schedule, which means what I mean when people say two-win game, a game in which you win and you get two victories for it. There aren't any of those on the schedule. So he knows this was a game.

This could have started something really, really, really, really good. Now, look, and the thing is, Ocho, you know, you don't want to go into the bye with a loss damn that hurt Ocho that ruined your whole bye I don't care what anybody's saying they lying if they say it does it's gonna sting it's gonna sting and then you know what it does too also it put that much pressure on you it put that much more pressure on you on the game coming up we got to steal it, right? Yeah, but y'all got a fire week this week.

And T. Higgins. T. Higgins was bust ready with the Bengals saying, we can't finish your effing game. Them boys hot, bro. Them boys hot. But what we need to do, it ain't even about finishing the game. We need to start that, mother. But they say, hey, we didn't start when we had the opportunity to finish it.

And we missed two field goals. I told you, missed back-to-back field goals. And the same way you hooked and left. Damn, bro! You didn't make no adjustments. Hey, listen. The most difficult, one of the most difficult positions on the field is kicker.

It is kicker. One slight adjustment, one slight mistake, a swing of the leg, you knocking your head down at the ball, you know, allowing your foot to sway a little further left than it should, it changes the trajectory of the ball. So as a kicker myself, I understand the difficulties that comes when it comes to kicking the ball. So, McPherson, all you got to do, you go back to your basics. Same thing with Justin Tucker.

You go back to your basics. Go back to your basic fundamentals when it comes to kicking the ball and start all the way over. Start all the way over and be yourself. Mike Brown will kick himself in the head. Because boy, Chase about to hit them over the head. Oh, yeah, big time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Uh-uh. And the thing is, he ain't, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Uh-uh. And the thing is, he ain't got no mask. Y'all know it's him. So when you hear something pitch in the back of the head, just tell the cops, Jamar Chase just robbed. The Chiefs escaped Carolina

with the last second win, tied in Noah Gray. Two touchdowns, which is the most yards of separation the Chiefs received in a touchdown in the past two seasons. He was wide open, needless to say. After weeks of carrying the offense,

Steve Spagnuolo's crew hit a November low for consecutive week KC defense allowed 325 plus yards. We knew it was going to happen, Ocho. Look, I've been a part of a historic defense. But there are games that if we didn't play our absolute best offensively, we would have lost. That's what Kansas City had to do today.

Turnovers, it probably would have cost, they probably would have lost the game. Mahomes was 27-37, 269, three touchdowns. Got sacked five times, though. Noah Gray, four catches, 66 66 yards two touchdowns Travis Kelsey like man y'all

over here doubling and tripling B and he eating every week he had two last he had one last I think he had like two last week he got about five or six touchdowns hey that's the Kelsey effect

he not letting you beat me Kelsey effect. I'm not letting you beat me. I'm not. I'm not. But the offensive line, man, it seems like, I don't know, maybe it's my television, but it seems like every time Mahomes drops back, he's running for his life. He is. I mean, no disrespect, but the tackle play is very bad.

The tackle play is very bad. I tell you what, if the 49ers let Dub go, Tricky Dub, Kansas City better back the Brink. You know they're going to back it up. Even at his age, he's still one of the best.

He might be the best left tackle. He premiered. He's still that boy. He's still him. I mean, because they tried to get him in free agency. And Kansas City, you know, he's familiar with Kyle. He played for Mike. So he's familiar with that situation.

But I think Ocho with an opportunity, he wants an opportunity. He wants to win. He wants to win that Super Bowl. And Kansas City, as long as you got that quarterback and you got that coach, I think they're better positioned than the 49ers. That's just me personally. I could be wrong. But can you imagine him at left tackle protecting that blind side?

The Jets could reportedly release Aaron Rodgers in season. Rodgers wants to play in 2025. But not with the Jets. Time out. Rodgers in season. Rodgers wants to play in 2025. But not with the Jets. Time out. Time out, man. Time out. Time out.

Hold on. Let me get my flag. Let me get my flag. There's a flag on the plate. Let me get the flag. All right. I got my flag. I know it's white, but we're going to pretend it's yellow. I just got my flag. I know it's white, but we're going to pretend it's yellow.

I just threw the flag. Okay. I just threw the flag. You're giving up. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. Where is she going?

What's the call to play? You know what's funny? When it comes to a quarterback like this, with a resume like this, even though the NFL is all about what have you done for me lately, when Aaron Rodgers said, you know what? As desperate as teams are to have a quarterback, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the opportunity after what he just said. If they do release him, if the Jets do release him and start over as far as searching for a quarterback, Aaron Rodgers will get a job simply because of what he's done in the past.

They're going to hold on to that. They're going to hold on to that. They're going to hold on to the, how many times MVP? Four? If I'm not right, four? Shit. Four. He's won a Super Bowl? Man, he's going to get another chance.

Diana Rossini. Diana Rossini. When she talks about the Jets, let's listen to what she has to say. I'm told Johnson has lost confidence in Rodgers' ability to lead the team to the playoffs for the first time in 14 years, a drought that now stands as the longest in major North American professional sports league. There are some on the team who believe everyone is simply tiptotorn around the fact Rodgers isn't the same player anymore. Some around the league say they won't be surprised if Rodgers is cut in the season. As far as Rodgers, his relationship with the owner has been strained for months.

That's not a secret in the building or the locker room. At this point, after conversation with sources, with the team, and around the league, my understanding is Rodgers' stand still wants to play in 2025. I like it. Just not with the Jets. I like it, but I don't like it. I like it, but I don't like it because I want to break down.

I want to break down the other 31 teams. There are many teams that don't even need a quarterback. What teams can Aaron Rodgers go to when you couldn't make a difference when you're in New York? They gave you the player you wanted.

They gave you everything you wanted. You wanted Al-Azhar. You got Brees Hall. I mean, come on now. What are we talking about? Remember, Ocho? Last year,

remember last year they got a, what you call it, a final call for it. And then, if he is to go to a team, it has to be a team where he doesn't have to do much because his supporting cast can hold him up. He can't go to a team that has less talent and make them better.

He needs somebody to uplift him. For the longest time he could uplift other players of his team he can no longer do that so there's nowhere for him to go there's nowhere for him to go if you think about it

there's nowhere for him to go where are you going tell me so we both know I think They say Aaron Aaron What?

But you better focus And lock in You better focus And lock in Because you're going to be On the outside Looking in in a minute Bro football

Ben stopped being important To Aaron Rodgers Y'all can see what y'all Want to say Aaron Rodgers Ben And football Football gave him the ability to have

the cachet to talk about all the other stuff that he cared to talk about. Y'all know this. Y'all see it. Y'all see the man's demeanor. Y'all see his behavior. Y'all saw the way he conducted himself. Football, Ben stopped being important to Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, he's one of the few.

You know, Aaron Rodgers has what most don't, what mostly all quarterbacks do. He has privilege. And he's one of the few. You know, Aaron Rodgers has what most don't, what mostly all quarterbacks do. He has privilege. And he's one of the few. Now that he has that privilege, he abuses that privilege and the power that he has because of what he's done in the NFL. He's one of the few that does it. You know?

Yeah. Nobody else would be able to get away with some of the things. Can you imagine you? No, forget you because you follow the rules. Let's say me, who bent the rules and always told the line. And never crossed it. Can you imagine if I said, you know what, I'm not going to minicab, I'm

going on a retreat because I already had something planned. What? Can you imagine? Yeah, I can imagine. They'd have fired you or cut you. What the hell are you talking about? That's what happened. Hey.

All I know is that Antonio Brown didn't go to a team meeting and they cut him. They had a meeting and they had a walkthrough in the ballroom. He didn't show up and they cut him. They don't play. They don't play. Certain people are extended.

See, y'all get upset with me when I tell the truth. See, my thing is, I don't know why anybody would question because y'all see, I call it right down the middle. It doesn't matter if you're Aaron Rodgers, you're Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Lamar Jackson,

or Patrick Mahomes. If I see it, I'm just going to be honest. I've been telling you guys for the longest, Aaron Rodgers is an arrogant, condescending, flippant. He blames everyone. He takes no responsibility for himself. He's been that. He's always been that. But he won MVPs, so everybody overlooked it. himself. He's been that. He's always been that. But that

he won MVP so everybody overlooked it. Now he can no longer be an MVP. Everybody said what I've been saying for years. Yeah, but when you had that kind of resume like Aaron Rodgers, when you had that kind of

success for so long, you know, when you're a franchise quarterback like that, when you had that kind of success for so long, you know, when you're a franchise quarterback like that, when you're a Super Bowl champion, you extended a different type of grace, especially at the quarterback position. For sure. Yes, absolutely.

Absolutely. Yes, sir. One of the things I would say, boy, if you're not careful, you will become the very thing you despise the most in a person. He despised the way Brett Favre treated him. Did he not turn around and become the very thing he despised the most? Yeah. He what?

Oh, have mercy. So y'all don't want to listen to me. Oh, I'm talking. I'm talking like he was. See, I don't know what he's talking about. So y'all don't want to listen to me. Oh, Unc, talk a lot. Unc, talk like he... See, Unc know what he talking about. See, y'all say Unc talk a lot. Y'all don't really be saying I don't know what I'm talking about because when it come to fruition,

the first thing you say, oh, Captain Obvious. Well, why didn't you say it? If it was so obvious, you could have said it. Yeah. Look how he got out of there. He didn't want to come to minicamps. He wanted everything to be his way. Isn't that what Brett Favre,

isn't that why they got Brett Favre out of there? Now, where did Brett Favre go when he left Green Bay? Tell the people at home, Ocho. The New York Jets. Ocho, tell the people how long did Brett Favre

stay in New York? Hey, hold on, hold on. Where'd he go next? So are we saying that Aaron Rodgers is probably going to beat him in Minnesota? I don't know. They got J.J. McCarthy. No, know. They got J.J. McCarthy.

No, McCarthy. They got J.J. McCarthy. Yeah. No. And he's already missed a year. You're not going to send him back another year. No. And I'm drafting a quarterback.

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. What is Aaron Rodgers going to do? At most, he plays a year. And you think I'm going to pass on a quarterback for a year? Are we sure he can elevate

my team? The Jets thought he could. How'd that work out for them? They gave up draft capital, and they're worse off than they were when they had Zach Wilson, when they had Sam Darnold, when they had whomever else they had at quarterback. Mm-hmm. Bruh, you're not getting a Tom Brady ending.

Wait, what if he changed his mindset? What if he changed his approach to the game? Or it's too late? It's too late? Can't. Ocho, how you do something for 20 years and you won MVP and you won a Super Bowl, you change your mindset. Tom Brady couldn't change his mindset if he could because he still had that underdog mentality.

All he saw himself as accomplished as he was, was a sixth round draft pick that nobody wanted until the sixth round. That's all he ever saw himself. He always felt, I got to go in and prove that I got to make the team. Even though after one Super Bowl, two Super Bowls, three Super Bowls, MVP, MVP, MVP, Super Bowl, Super Bowl, Super Bowl, Super Bowl, I've got to prove it. Peyton Manning every year, prove it, prove it, prove it.

It's always been about him. Damn. He's always been condescending. He's always been flippant. He's always been arrogant. He's always been about him. Damn. He's always been condescending. He's always been flippant. He's always been arrogant. He's always been aloof. You overlooked it because he was winning MVPs. Now, he's the same player.

You don't change when you lose. You don't change. See, losing doesn't change who you are. It reveals who you are. It reveals who you are. That's what losing does. It reveals your character. It don't build character. It reveals it.

Just like anger. Just like anger and just like someone that drinks. You finally get to see some sellers when they're angry. They tell you how they really feel. And people are like, oh, he got money, he changed. No, money doesn't change you. It makes you more of what you already are. You don't get money and become generous.

You don't. That's always in you. You don't get That's always in you. You don't get money and become a jerk. You've always been a jerk, but you are a monitor because you didn't have the power and the money to be an asshole.

So that's what money will allow you to do. People that have money and that are nice and respectful they've always been that way i guarantee you you go look at anybody and they'll tell you i don't need to call no name but when they got money i say what they've been that way but if we're on the same level how can i be a real jerk when we're on the same level, how can I be a real jerk when we're on the same level? Yeah.

But let me get a little advantage over you. Hey, listen, money does some strange things to people. It does some strange things. It's hard to remain yourself. You know, you get it, but if you are able to control it and don't allow it to control you, it's a beautiful thing.

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Say that again? Wait, read that for me again. Read that for me again real slow. Read it for me again. What I'm going to do, I'm going to press rewind again. What I'm going to do, I'm going to press rewind and then I'm going to hit play. Daniel

Jones wants to go to a play... Daniel Jones wants to go to a playoff team. Hold on. Let me get this straight. So Daniel Jones wants to go to a playoff team. He wants to go to a playoff team where they already have a quarterback in place, but I'm assuming he wants to go to a playoff team so he knows the field likes to win and maybe be the backup.

I'm assuming that's what he means by saying that. I don't think he means to actually start or contend or compete to be the starting quarterback for a team that always has a starting quarterback. Right? According to Adam Schefter, Jones is expected to have multiple options, but likely will prefer to finish this season on a playoff contending team where he would be involved in big games rather than going to a Mandarin quarterback-needed team not remotely in playoff contention.

But if you go into a team, you're not – Yeah, I think that has to be what he means. That has to be what he means. But he's already been to the playoffs. Think about this real quick. I don't mean to break it down. I'm not sure how good you are with being able to name all the quarterbacks in the league, but think about all the teams that are in playoff contention

or even in the hunt. Even in the hunt, huh? I mean, how many teams actually need a quarterback? And the one that... No, that's just the playoff. That's the whole point. So I think he just wants to experience knowing what it feels like to win

and to be competing in the playoffs or being in contention in general. That has to be what he means. Go to the comments. But here's my thing, Ochoa. When I look at it, maybe he needs to go somewhere with a different culture because a lot because sometimes it is culture you get you get caught up um um the way they coach and the way they do things and maybe that's not conducive for you

you get into a new situation they practice different they meet different the coaches coach different they talk to you different i don't know i look it didn't when i heard it i did it i'm like oh you want to go to them i can see ocho you're a wide receiver you're running back you're a defensive player okay i get that because there's an opportunity but there's only one because all the other positions right you can have multiple positions on at same time on the field. But when you're a quarterback, you can only have one. And I'm looking, I'm like, well, so going to a team that's in playoff consideration or contention, what are you going to do?

Oh, my goodness. I mean, it has to make sense. The only thing that makes sense is based on what he's saying, he wants to be somewhere where maybe he's not going to be the starter we know he's not going to be a starter but i want to be somewhere where i can be on a team where i can be a backup if need be i can help but i would like to know what it feels like to be contending or be challenging for a playoff spot with that team that that that Hello, that got to be it, obviously. Yeah, so you want that thing

in press play again? That was a good one. The Jets are a certified disaster, and they got messier today. The day began with the team firing general manager Joe Douglas, which was not exactly a surprise. Douglas was 30-64 during the Jets' tenure and never snipped the playoffs.

The juicy of all was Woody Johnson wanted to bench Aaron Rodgers just four weeks into the season in favor of Tyrod Taylor. The coaches present in the meeting were stunned, according to our report, and rightfully so. Johnson backed off, but fired Robert

Sala a week later. Fired Robert Sala. Demoted Nathaniel Hackey. Right. Now, I ask you, who was next? See, Green Bay got smart. Green Bay said,

hell, y'all, you ain't finna get me up out of here. Matt LaFleur and Brian Gutekas and Mark Murphy. Rudy Johnson wanted to bench Aaron Rodgers in week four

for Tyrod Taylor, right? So the elephant in the room who always been the problem. So you're doing all this firing where you're not getting putting the right person in the room who always been the problem so you're doing all this firing where you're not getting putting the right person in the place

that needs to be but how you gonna you gonna bitch I ain't never seen nobody bench a quarterback that make that kind of money either he would've

yeah so now Joe Douglas gone so but you Woody you do realize they use your jet to go fly to Johnson, he would have. So now Joe Douglas gone. But you, Woody, you do realize they use your jet to go fly to see Aaron Rodgers. You do realize

you signed up on all this. So where's your coach? But also, they're expecting to get the Aaron Rodgers to bowl. They're expecting to get the Aaron Rodgers. They got an old Aaron Rodgers. Bro, everybody ain't going to be. So you thought they was going to turn right around

after Tom Brady did what he did. You thought so soon right after that, another guy was going to do that? What allowed Brady to play as long as he did and as well as he had no major injury after he suffered that ACL injury? That was in 2008. So up well as he he had no major injury after he suffered that acl injury that was in 2008 so up until that he had no injuries he had no hamstring he had no injuries yeah that really caused him to miss time aaron rogers was coming off one of the most serious

injury a player in sports can suffer right the achilles injuryilles injury. Plus, he's born. I don't think he takes the game as serious as Tom as well. He doesn't take the game as serious. No, of course not. He never has. Two totally different types of quarterbacks, especially when it comes to their approach to the game and the seriousness of it and the way they take it. So I could understand if you're coming off an, if you're coming off an injury like that

and you already don't take it serious, you do what you need to do to get back and good gracious and help the play, but your approach is still wrong

because everything you do talk about when you are on TV it has nothing to do with the game of football. Nothing. Oh, you're trying to steal out that moment.

Oh, I just don't understand. Every time he speaks it never has anything to do with damn football. There's always some shit I got to look up in the goddamn dictionary on the goddamn computer. He's talking about going into the dark, and he's talking about these trips,

and he's talking about this and talking about that. Nothing about building team camaraderie, building team chemistry. And when he could have been doing, he could have been doing that. He was in Egypt talking about a trip. Everybody know with that mandatory minicamp, you don't plan nothing around that, Ocho, because that's the one that you got to be at. Oh, let me tell you.

Everybody that understands what the word mandatory means has to be there. But what he failed to realize, what he did in Green Bay, ain't got nothing to do. They want to see what you're going to do for the Jets. You heard Tom, I said it when I went to Baltimore. Them Pro Bowls, those all pros, those Super Bowls, that ain't got, I've done nothing in Baltimore. I've got to come in, work my ass off to let them see how I became the player

I became while I was there Peyton said it Tom so eloquently laid it out he's like what I accomplished in New England got to do with Tampa Tom getting his teammates hey let's go to the park it's in COVID we ain't supposed to be

in the park we don't have to throw our ass out that shit was funny Peyton getting his guys together he grabbed up Julius and Decker

and Julius Thomas and no Sean hey let's go throw guys I think Stokely was there at the time or Welker let's go hey let's go throw let's build up some chemistry let's go throw, guys. I think Stokely was there at the time. Or Welker. Let's go, hey, let's go throw.

Let's build up some chemistry. Let's build up a bond. Let's get to know. Let me tell you where I want to throw the ball. You tell me where you want the ball, and let me tell you what I'm looking for on this route. Nah, let me go over to Egypt. I've already got this trip planned. So it is what it is.

If I'm the Jets, I need somebody to explain to me why would I want Aaron Rodgers back? Nick Beer. Yes. If Aaron Rodgers is not done, if he's not done, he signed two years, didn't he, y'all?

Oh, he has another year? He has another year. I'm sure he does. Right. But for what? Why do I want, tell me why do I want him, Mocho? What am I getting?

A 41-year-old that's a year older than what he is now? So what, he's going to gain speed? He's going to get faster? You know what? A better question is, if you don't want him next year, what's your next option? What's your next viable option where you can compete

and you can contend? Can I compete with Aaron Rodgers? You're telling me what I can't do without him. What can I do with him? They're 3-8. So tell me what can I do with him? Because I can be 3-8 without him and save $50 million.

Hell, you in last place in the division. If you finish last place in the division with him, I can't finish in last place in the division with him I can't finish in last place in the division without him but hey you understand you know how difficult that position is how difficult it is to find a quarterback for that position you know that

it takes a while yes have they found one they got one in the position think about that that's's even that's even better question he's been there two years he

yeah we gonna we gonna disregard that nah do they got a quarterback right now they thought take

take Rodgers off the back take Rodgers off the back of the jersey nah you bringing that guy back next year mm-mm and if he

if he does get the grace to come back next year it's because of does get the grace to come back next year, it's because of what he's done in the past. If he does get the grace to come back next year, it's based off what he's done in the past.

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