Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Davante Adams Jets, Maxx Crosby trade interest, Troy Aikman criticism

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from week 7 of the NFL season including Davante Adams eyeing a long-term deal with the New York Jets, Las Vegas Raiders DE Maxx Cr...osby could be on the move, Troy Aikman’s harsh criticism of the Dallas Cowboys wide receivers and much more!03:18 - Broncos vs. Saints10:12 - Davante Adams eyeing long-term partnership with the Jets22:25 - List of receivers that could be traded by the deadline24:00 - Is Maxx Crosby on the move soon?25:37 - Unc ain’t fooled by Jerry Jones27:00 - Odds makers looking at how Cooper has contributed to the Bills29:40 - Troy Aikman airs it all out37:42 - Jerry Jones explains his reaction44:55 - When will the Broncos retire the No. 84 jersey?(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:10 John Payton won in his return to New Orleans in a blowout, in blowout fashion, Ocho. The Broncos blew out the injury-depleted Saints 33-10 on Thursday night football. Bo Nix, hold on, let me get the box score. Bo Nix played really, really well tonight. He was 16 of 26, 164 yards. A clean game. Offensive line did a great job of protecting the mojo.
Starting point is 00:04:30 No sacks, no turnovers. They ran the ball 35 times for 225 yards. Javante Williams had 14 rushes, 88 yards and two touchdowns. As they completely take apart the New Orleans Saints. I mentioned they are injury depleted. Spencer Rattler was 23-35, 172. No touchdowns, no interception, but he was sacked. He was sacked six times, but he was harassed all night long.
Starting point is 00:04:56 Ocho, I mean, I'm trying to figure out how he got to. You know what? The Saints have been bad. What happened was, listen, let me say this. Okay. We watched them take apart the Dallas Cowboys. And so we overestimated how good they were. But when you look at what has transpired, they won their first two games
Starting point is 00:05:17 and haven't really come close with the exception of Atlanta winning a game since. Ocho, and I don't know with the injuries starting to pile up. Listen, I don't think it's going to get any better anytime soon. Listen, there's too many injuries. Your best two receivers are out. Derek Carr is out.
Starting point is 00:05:36 The first two games of the season, you put up 45 points in both of those games. You're going 0-5 since then. It's not going to get any better anytime soon I feel bad Yep Mark Latimer left his game Latimer left his game
Starting point is 00:05:54 he missed week 2 because of his hamstring injury now he's re-injured it so some of the key quality players that you do need they even compete at the highest level because I know they always say it's next man up but they're they're the next man for a reason they're the next next man for a reason the saints have only put up 50 points yeah you you got you only got so many saints only put up 15 points the past five games after scoring 45 in the first two. And that's simply due to, obviously, you said it, and I think that's, I'm not saying the Broncos won
Starting point is 00:06:28 because of the Saints' injuries, but it played a big part. The Saints are not at full strength. Therefore, listen, the scoreline looked the way it did. Bo Nix, Bo Nix is good. That goddamn Javante Williams, well, he can tote that pill, boy. He can tote that pill. I would like to see if the Broncos are playing a better
Starting point is 00:06:47 team, I would like to see them get the passing game going a little bit more. Courtland Sutton, they got to get him involved. They got to get him involved. He's making too much money to be out there getting cardio in. He's making too much money to be out there
Starting point is 00:07:03 getting cardio in. That's all it was the night before. That's what he got tonight. Yeah. Yeah, that shouldn't happen. He didn't have a catch. That shouldn't happen. I'm sure he's frustrated. I know they won the game.
Starting point is 00:07:12 But one of the things they do, they'll use it against you. If you don't have the production and you make a lot of money like he's doing, they'll use that against you in the offseason. But other than that, the Broncos look good. I mean, wait, they got a tough game next, don't they? Right? I could have swore. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think they got a tough one coming up.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Oh, well, listen, that's another win. They got the Panthers. That's another win. know i like i like bo nicks too i like bo nicks bo nicks got moxie i don't even know what moxie mean i just heard male copper use it during the goddamn draft he real he real feisty like remember how baker mayfield was oklahoma for some reason i don't know whyix just gives me that. He just gives me that firecracker type, like a firecracker. I don't know how to explain it. I don't know how to put it in the right words.
Starting point is 00:08:11 But I like Bo Nix. I like him. I like him. Yeah, he's got some athleticism. He can run. Yeah. Need to work on his accuracy. But you can do a lot of things with him, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:08:28 They got the Panthers next, and then they got Ravens and Chiefs. They probably going to win this one. And that momentum, that momentum, hopefully, you know, they have a great defense. I'm assuming maybe Pat Sertain will be back by then, and now the concussion protocol. But, listen, if they can win this then and now the concussion protocol but listen if they can win this next one against the Panthers
Starting point is 00:08:47 but they probably will I'm curious to see how Bo Nix plays against now we talk about two defenses that are much better that are much better and you're going to need yeah and offense is also much better oh yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:09:02 so we're going to see if you're playing from ahead or if you have to play from behind. Either way it goes, it's going to be a good one. And it's going to be a good test for both, too. It's going to be a real good test for both.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, considering how poorly they played Sunday against the Chargers, they didn't play particularly well considering they had won three straight. And they were playing really well.
Starting point is 00:09:28 So I was surprised that they didn't play as well as I thought they would on Sunday against the Chargers. And the Chargers had been struggling. That is a division game. So, you know, you kind of toss a lot out of the window when you play a division opponent because you're very familiar, even though they have a new coaching staff. That's still someone in your division.
Starting point is 00:09:44 A lot of the key players are still there, especially offensive. We talk about Justin Herbert and a couple of the receivers, although Keenan Allen is gone, Mike Williams is gone. They still have some guys that played a lot of snaps last year for them, especially at the skill position. Offensive line is pretty much intact. They signed Alt. They drafted Alt.
Starting point is 00:10:04 I don't know if he's playing. I think he got dinged. But defensively, they still got some players. They got some players over there on the defensive side of football. That's what's most surprising when you talk about the charges is that they're not better considered the defensive talent that they have on that side of the football. But the Broncos go
Starting point is 00:10:20 on the road on a very short week. It's never easy playing on the road, but when you cut the days down by three, so instead of playing on a Sunday afternoon, you're playing on a Thursday night, and you just played Sunday afternoon, ain't a whole lot of time, Mojo. Ain't a whole lot of on-field practice.
Starting point is 00:10:39 It's a lot of film study. It's a lot of walkthroughs. A lot of basic stuff. Hey, let's try to get, let's try to put this thing together and get out of here with minimal injuries because you know you're sore. Unless you're like in your first or second year, anybody that's
Starting point is 00:10:55 five years of a young, oh, you hurt. You are definitely feeling it. Oh, you hurt. After being acquired by the New York Jets from the Las Vegas Raiders earlier this week, Devontae Adams is eyeing a long-term partnership with the new team. When asked if he'd like a multi-year relationship with the Jets, I hope so.
Starting point is 00:11:12 That's the plan. I never go somewhere in hopes of having to find a new home. While Rodgers has been effective throwing the ball to Gary Wilson and Alan Lazard over the last couple of games, the outside spots have been a huge problem. Rodgers and Mike Williams have not been over the last couple of games. The outside spots, which has been a huge problem. Rodgers and Mike Williams have not been on the same page in 2024. The Jets' offense have suffered. They averaged 304 yards per game, 18.8 points,
Starting point is 00:11:34 but a little less than 19 points a game. Both ranked 22nd. Ocho, are you expecting old magic from Rodgers and Adams? Goddamn right I'm expecting old magic because there's something you can't teach. There's something you can't teach that Aaron Rodgers and Devontae Adams have. That's almost seven or eight years worth of work. 76-something, I think maybe 67-something, maybe 76 TDs, 8,000 yards together, 117 games together, and the chemistry that they have.
Starting point is 00:12:04 A look. I can look at you and i know where you're going to be at i know everything you're going to do aaron rogers could be blindfolded and whatever the route is he can throw it to a spot and know davante adams is going to be there every time he's familiar with the system that they're running so all he's doing is just it's just he's going to a new team he's with the jets and you just plug him in and you just go i mean i know it sounds simple the way i'm saying but when you have a quarterback that He's going to a new team. He's with the Jets. And you just plug him in and you just go. I mean, I know it sounds simple the way I'm saying, but when you have a quarterback that you've played with for so long
Starting point is 00:12:31 and you still, as a receiver, are very adequate at doing what you do, as far as getting open and running routes, he's still one of the best, despite the lack of production because of the inconsistent play at quarterback. There's nothing wrong with him. I guarantee you they both pick up where they left off at. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that they're very familiar with each other. It always helps. Same thing, yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:12:58 This is the system that he ran in Green Bay. And the plays are familiar. Roger's voice in his ear is familiar. So, yeah, I think they should pick up where they kind of left off years ago. At least I hope so, for his sake. Because, you know, look, they have started to say Devontae wasn't the same receiver last year. Not factoring in that he lost Derek Carr
Starting point is 00:13:26 Aiden O'Connell and whomever the other quarterbacks were that's not Derek that's not Derek Carr and so no matter what you think yeah Derek Carr is not uh um right right he's not Joe Burrow he's not Patrick Mahomes he's not one of these top right quarterbacks, but he's better than Aiden Okama. In his first year with Devontae, Devontae had 1,500 yards and was the first team all pro. There's something to be said for that. There's one thing that I hate that the pundits do, the analysts, those that should know the game,
Starting point is 00:13:58 and they always talk about certain players losing a step or they don't have it anymore. When you don't factor in that for one one the inconsistent player quarterback affects that the opportunities that you normally get when they're putting up those those numbers those good numbers there's a reason why you're not doing so and they never factor it in the first thing they say is oh the player's losing a step when you know that's not the case instead of saying exactly what it is well i'm glad you brought it up because we know there's nothing wrong with him.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Now, you know, when a player loses a step by watching him. I'm curious to see how teams are going to play the Jets now. They play the Steelers. So it's going to be a very, very interesting matchup. Joey Porter Jr. Is he going to take Garrett Wilson or they will put the number one on on on Devante Adams? So I'm not sure that's going to play out. So for his first game back with Aaron Rodgers, this is a good game, a good test for them because they're playing a very good defense and a stealer. So I'm excited.
Starting point is 00:14:52 I'm excited. I think they're going to pick up right where they left off at. And there's a certain chemistry when you play with somebody so long that you just can't replicate. And I know, I just know they're going to take some of the things they did in Green Bay, add it to that offense, and they're just going to go to work. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:15 Let's be real. Aaron Rodgers hasn't played well this year, don't you? I understand what he was in Green Bay, but we haven't seen that yet with the Jets. And it's going to be very interesting to see if he can get back. Now, do I expect him to be what he was in those MVP seasons?
Starting point is 00:15:37 I don't know, Joe. I don't. I mean, he's – no. I mean, he's coming up in the K-League. Yeah, but also when you have a weapon like that, you can count on every goddamn time. If you look, if you've been watching the Jets games, I've been watching the Jets games.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Like, maybe you got a young bull like 17, man, that can actually get open like that. I really think even post-pre-Achilles injury, he could always count on them boys to be open. That's the reason he was able to win that MVP. He was able to get the ball to them. He was able to facilitate and they were always open. He knew
Starting point is 00:16:12 where everybody was going to be. They were always in the right spot. There would be no mistakes like you saw the other night where he threw the ball to Mike Williams and Mike Williams wasn't on the red line. Which part? I don't like that. Oh, the quarterback. You got to eat that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:27 You got to eat that one. Yeah. What you say is there's a little miscommunication. Right. Now we get behind closed doors. Yeah, he released inside, but he never got back out. If they plan to and you got the goal ball, if you're going to release outside, get back out there to the red line so the quarterback got somewhere
Starting point is 00:16:46 to go with it. Eat it. I mean, how many times do you think during the course of a game a receiver runs the wrong route, quarterback has the wrong read, and we don't know about it because they don't discuss it. And then once we get behind closed doors, that's what we do. That's why Carson's like, hey, oh, Troy, show me up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:08 John was the same. Right. John was the same way. Troy was the same way. Peyton Manning, you heard Peyton Manning. Right. Quarterbacks are, hey, you understand. Hey, they control the food on the table.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Now, they'll control whether you get to eat a lot or a little. Now, how much you want to eat? You better be careful. Oh, I'm okay. Better be careful. Matter of fact, I'm glad you just said that. You absolutely better be careful. Let me tell you how I want chat, chat those of you to look at my stats when you get the chance.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Look at my stats. I don't remember what year this was, but I was kind of disgruntled. I was kind of disgruntled. And I don't think I asked for a trade. It might have been Drew. It just, I kind of got sick of the media blaming me for the reason we were losing. So they were putting everything on me because obviously I was the one doing all, having all the fun and whatever.
Starting point is 00:18:00 So they started to turn on me a little bit. Our own media in Cincinnati. And I said, you know what? Well, hey, I want to trade. I want out. Something like that. And I remember the Reds, excuse me, the commanders at that time and Dan Snyder, they offered the Bengals a one for one. And Mike Brown said, no. Mike Brown said, no, we're not going to set a precedent that a player can come in and say, okay, he's not happy and say, oh, you know what? I want a drink. Nah, it ain't happening. So they turned that down, right? I'm just coming off a really good season.
Starting point is 00:18:30 Despite me being disgruntled, I don't know what they did offensively or how they weren't able to get me the ball that particular year. All of a sudden, I had about 500 yards the whole season. I swear to God.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Isn't that it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Was that your last year? Was that the last year with Gio? Maybe a 1,213-yard season. And then, you know, I was getting the media was on my ass about us losing. There was nothing. I was healthy.
Starting point is 00:18:58 I was completely healthy. I swear for God. If you look at my stats, you look at it, it's thousands, thousands, thousands, thousands, thousands, thousands. And all of a sudden, it's a 500-yard season. I don't know if they found a way, like, to work me out the offense. I really had 500 yards the whole season. And then the next season, I'm right back to 1,200. Like, in a sense, it was like, damn, are they that powerful where, you know what?
Starting point is 00:19:24 Oh, you want to play with us? Okay, we're going to play with you. The whole season. And I was scared to say anything because I already caused ruckus and made noise in the offseason. So I'm definitely not going to do it in season because I'm already on thin ice in a sense. And I'm like, well, damn, they're not even – like I'm not even part of the offense. That's what it felt like. And I was still that boy
Starting point is 00:19:45 I ain't know what the hell I ain't know what the hell was going on so I just had to throw that story out there based on what you were just talking about that's crazy well here's the problem that they have is that can they protect now you see Buffalo
Starting point is 00:20:00 had relentless pressures on Rodgers what do you think the Steelers are going to be able to do with T.J. White? They better chip. What are they going to do? They got to have a game plan because the brother Tyron Smith on the left side, hey, listen, no disrespect. No disrespect to him. But obviously I don't think he's going to have to go against T.J. White
Starting point is 00:20:22 because T.J. White is most of time, he's on the left side. So he'd be dealing with the right tackle. But that young boy, I don't know who it was he was struggling with. But he looked like his feet in semen out there. Hey. FNF. Man, listen. He's not what he once was when he was with the Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:20:40 Maybe the injury. I'm not sure what it is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think the Jets were expecting to get the old Tyron Smith. They just got an old Tyron Smith.
Starting point is 00:20:56 Because he doesn't move. He doesn't move. His feet, the kick, the slide, the punch. He can kick. The hands have gotten lazy. And it's hard. Right. He don't cover as much ground He can kick. He can kick for the footwork he once was. And it's hard. Right. He don't cover as much ground with the kick.
Starting point is 00:21:11 And he's gotten really lazy with his hands. And you see a lot of guys just wax on, wax off, and they're gone. They're buying. No, no. They never used to be tyrants. He was so strong at the point of attack. Once he put that hand up and get you in your chest, boy, you ain't going nowhere.
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Starting point is 00:27:14 You got DeAndre Hopkins with the Titans. You got Deontay Johnson of the Panthers. You got Mike Williams of the Jets. You got Cooper Cupp of the Rams. Hold on. Why the hell they got Jordan Addison name in there? There's no need to move Jordan. There's no need
Starting point is 00:27:28 to move Jordan. Okay, the Cooper Cup, I understand. Who can the cool is probably going to take over take over for Cooper Cup. Yeah, I mean, obviously salary.
Starting point is 00:27:37 That's a big salary. They put him on there. They didn't. You might not even know he might take a pay cut. He might take a pay cut to stay in that system. Give me give me one more. Deontay Johnson. You know what? You know, it'd be a pay cut. He might take a pay cut to stay in that system. Give me one
Starting point is 00:27:45 more. Deontay Johnson, you know it'd be a good fit for him to go back to? Yeah. Right back to Pittsburgh because there really no disrespect to any of the receivers on the Steelers team, but he's another good, viable option that can get the F open
Starting point is 00:28:02 on the other side of George Pickens. Why not? You think he don't want to? When he want to. That's why they let him go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was he doing? Remember the loafing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that.
Starting point is 00:28:17 But I'm sure you can come at it with a different attitude, a different perspective. Because as you look at it, when you go from team to team like that, alright, now the window's closing. The window's starting to close. Your eyes start to open up a little bit more. You know? You're not a young chicken. You ain't no spring chicken no more.
Starting point is 00:28:35 You start paying attention to the way the league is moving the older folks out. So you come in on your best behavior when you get a second, sometimes a third chance. Is Max Crosby on the move soon also? He had some interesting comments today. I'm not here to rebuild. I'm here to win, whatever that means. But I'm here to win now.
Starting point is 00:28:57 Wherever I'm going to be, I'm going to be here to win. So if I'm Detroit, I offer a first and a third round pick for Max Crosby. I'm not bulljacking. Look, this is what I got on the table for you. I got a first and a third. Because you just left one of the premier
Starting point is 00:29:19 you just lost. Leading sack leader. Seven and a half sacks. I'm going to get Max Crosby. And imagine next year Max on one side and Aiden O'Connell on the other. I mean, let's talk about Aiden O'Connell. And Aiden Hutchinson on the other side.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Aiden Hutchinson. And they just signed I mean, they got DJ Reader that was at Cincinnati. I forget, they just DJ Reader. They got DJ Reader that was at Cincinnati. I forget. They just extended a big D tackle. I forget his name. They just gave a boatload of money, like $90-plus million.
Starting point is 00:29:54 Yeah. They got some good young talent. I mean, that GM has done a great job. But if I'm Max Crosby, I'm trying to go to Detroit. That's where I want to be. And he is a dream for Campbell.
Starting point is 00:30:13 That's the kind of guy Campbell wants to coach. You ain't got A. Just let him go play. You got to say much. See, a lot of people, I ain't one. much see a lot of people I Ain't one see a lot of people get fooled by you know, Jerry, you know Jerry's made a lot of black men millionaires Those men could do something for Jerry. Don't let Jerry fool you
Starting point is 00:30:39 Yeah, you don't fool Shannon. He showed you who he was Jerry showed you he told you a lot who he was in 2016 He showed you but y'all didn't want to listen to it y'all didn't believe what you heard y'all didn't believe what you heard now all of a sudden some of y'all shocked Neil who? Neil on what? yeah okay
Starting point is 00:31:00 you will be on the line your hair will be over your heart. Like I said, you can't fool me. When you get upset, and what you say, and how you treat people, that's how you are.
Starting point is 00:31:25 Says everything. Everything. Everything. So hopefully Mario, they build a relationship, get on the same page real, real quick. But we're going to talk about Jerry a little later. We ain't done with his ass yet. I know I'm not.
Starting point is 00:31:41 Clearly, the odds make us feel that Cooper is a bigger addition to Bills than Adams is to the Jets. Uh-huh. Because if Chiefs won, Ravens two, Texans and Bills tied for the third best odds, and then you have the Bengals and the Jets tied for the fourth best odds. I mean, the Bengals and the Jets, right? You know, based on those odds, I think the odds makers are looking at how the Bills are playing before Amari got there. They're looking at how Josh Allen was playing, not having superstar weapons at his disposal, and they were still doing okay. They were still doing well.
Starting point is 00:32:20 So with his addition, I mean, obviously, it just takes everything up a little bit more. I could be wrong. I don't know how they make these things. But again, it's an educated guess because you never know how things are going to turn out. That's crazy, huh? It's crazy. It's stuff like that where people think the game is rigged. They think it is, but it's impossible to get 53 people on the same page.
Starting point is 00:32:49 I know that. It's impossible to orchestrate 53 people or 11 on one side of the ball and the other 11 to follow a goddamn script. That's why I understand why people say that sometimes. Do you know how difficult that would be? Man, please. Ocho, we played the game. You tell the first person, you tell them something in the
Starting point is 00:33:12 air, and by the time we get all the way to the back, they ain't what even said. One little thing. So how you gonna get fit? Maybe, once upon a time, Ocho, it's too much money involved. You're talking about a guy that's making $60 million. You ready to tell me he's willing to risk his $60 million?
Starting point is 00:33:29 Not a chance. And be there for the league to do what? But Ocho. Right. I think they'd be playing. Maybe they'd be playing sometime. And there ain't nothing you could do. You think so? No, they'd be dead serious. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:52 OK, people are gullible. Why you why you think. Like you said, look at the Internet. People believe that that those are those people live, that they really be flying pirate jets. And they have them big homes. And they have all these cars and all that stuff. You see how the internet do that? And how somebody can say something on the internet. And it is totally not true. But then it gets retweeted. It gets shared.
Starting point is 00:34:20 And then it gets, man, that's all these hoes, such and such died. People are gullible. Ocho people are naive. Troy Eggman did not hold back when addressing the disappointment of the start of the Cowboys season. He took dead aim at C.D. Lamb and the other Dallas wide receivers for their performances through the first six
Starting point is 00:34:36 games. I think the routes are terrible. I think they run terrible routes. And I've always thought that beyond this year, I think C.D.'s got to improve in his route running. And as a quarterback, if you're not certain where the guys are going to be consistently, it's hard to play that position. I see guys lazy coming off the line of scrimmage.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Sometimes they run. Usually if they do, it's because they're anticipating they're going to get the football on that play. But if they're not, they don't. And it all ties together. So I'm not impressed with that part of the game. Troy also talked about CD missing minicamp. I'm an old school guy.
Starting point is 00:35:08 I just believe practice matters. So do I. I believe that having the team together matters. So do I. So if I knew I was going to be signed him anyway, I would have had to sign. So he'd be working out with my quarterback and doing things that they should be doing.
Starting point is 00:35:22 Oh, Joe, you see, this is what I like. Oh, Joe. I like when Troy see, this is what I like, Ocho. I like when Troy, see, I like when white quarterbacks say that
Starting point is 00:35:31 because they don't get labored as haters or jealous. See, when you and I say that, if I said the exact same thing, oh, you're a hater. You're jealous. You're bringing the black man down. Now, what y'all gonna say about Troy? I'm listening.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Jump in the comments. What y'all going to say about Troy? What y'all going to say about Troy? He jealous? He a hater? He envious? Because that's what y'all do. When blacks, when we try to offer critique of what we see having played the game, y'all
Starting point is 00:35:59 kill us. Y'all beat us up. Now, what y'all going to say about Troy? Go ahead, Ocho. But CD was never, Ocho, I never looked at CD as a rock runner. CD is a guy that's tremendous run after the catch. He's not a rock runner.
Starting point is 00:36:13 He's not technically sound like Jeddah. He's not technically sound like Devontae. He's not a rock runner. He's not like Torrey Holt. He's not like Makino Mercado. He's not like Jimmy Smith. He's not like you, Ocho. That's not what he is. And that's okay.
Starting point is 00:36:28 But what I do agree with, Troy, is that, bro, even when you not get the ball, you gotta bust your butt off the ball. You gotta come off. I don't like the fact of him singling out CD, him singling out that. I mean, I hear a lot of CD this,
Starting point is 00:36:44 CD that, CD, CD, but hell, the goddamn defense is atrocious. The defense is atrocious. Everything is magnified now. Everything is magnified now because you're losing. So now when you're losing, everything is magnified. So now they
Starting point is 00:37:02 nitpick at every little goddamn thing. But you know that going in. O Ocho what's going to happen you start to lose they say you lose because you're on your helmet you start to lose because your locker room dirty I told them we don't need them at practice you see
Starting point is 00:37:20 you see how dumb that sound now you know you're going to sign it or we're going to sign him, or we're going to get him. We knew we were going to sign him. Why would you? What do you mean he doesn't get anything at practice? Do you see the connection or the non-connection that he and Dak has had for the first six games? The Wi-Fi is off a little bit.
Starting point is 00:37:39 You get that. No matter what y'all did the previous year you have to get in the lab you got to get in the lab and rebuild that chemistry all up again you got to unplug your router plug it back in and restart every season you got to do it and you can't do it in the off season when you're just by yourself. In a structured environment, with people pulling and tugging and pushing on you, that's when you get it done. And if you knew you was going to sign him, why wait?
Starting point is 00:38:15 Why play the game? You did the same thing with goddamn Zeke. You did the same thing with Zeke. Thank you. Are you serious about winning that you need all your players together? You need them all together. When it counts and when it matters. Minicamp.
Starting point is 00:38:29 Training camp. All-season workouts. Come on, man. But here's the thing, though, Ocho, is that we know Troy. Troy got in Mike's ass. Right. He expected. He demanded excellence from Mike so this is not but I just believe you got the whole guy's account sir it is an absolute must now I'm not telling what somebody told you told me to say I'm telling you haven't been in situation
Starting point is 00:39:00 the standard is the standard and we don't change that standard because of who you are. We play to the standard. And whatever happens after that, we live with it. But we're not going to come here, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. When we hit that field yes sir we had an expectation i don't know how everybody else did it but when we hit that field in denver yeah y'all listen y'all was a well oil machine right y'all was a well oil machine well oil machine
Starting point is 00:39:41 there was an expectation don't you right there was an expectation, Ocho. Right. There was an expectation that we had. We played to a standard. We know what was expected. We knew what was expected of us from each and every one of us.
Starting point is 00:39:59 John had to play to... We had a standard here. Right. But John needed to play to his standard. 84 needed to play to his standard. So standard here. Right. But John needed to play to his standard. 84 needed to play to his standard. So did 30. So did 87 and 80. Everybody played to the standard. Right.
Starting point is 00:40:11 And then whatever happens after that, we live with it. But it wasn't, people think you get good in the game. Yeah. You win the games Monday through Friday. Everything is tied together. Anybody that tells you that it's not, don't play the game. And they've never played the game. That's when you win the game.
Starting point is 00:40:37 It's what you do in the meetings. How attentive are you? And practice. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Practice. Yeah. I need it.
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Starting point is 00:46:38 the volume connotation as yelling. Okay. But the facts are that if I'm going to be grilled by the tribunal, I don't going to be grilled by the tribunal, I don't need to be by the guys that I'm paying. Oh, so he can't fire him, huh?
Starting point is 00:46:55 If you pay somebody a salary, can you fire the mojo? So, let me repeat that, because a lot of times people are like, well, jake but the facts are that if i'm going to be grilled by the tribunal i don't need it to be by guys that i'm paying i can take it from the fans i can take it from other people i take a lot of pride in how fair
Starting point is 00:47:17 and how much i try to work with the media we're brothers and sisters but I was a little frustrated there that day. A little? Okay. We got in there as of accounting for decisions made in the offseason. Okay. That might be as well going back to the decision I made in 2010. My point is that that's from my perspective. There's no question.
Starting point is 00:47:40 I'm sure that they would have liked to have me grill like fans are thinking. What are you going to do about this? What are you going to do about this? What are you going to do about that? I get it. I get all of that. And I really go. I was really.
Starting point is 00:47:50 I really will go along with it. No, you wouldn't. Jerry. Jerry went on to explain how his frustration stemmed from the individual asking the questions, not necessarily the topic itself. The wrong ones were doing the questioning. Now those had been real fans sitting there. If they've been people that I knew, they would have been talking about football people. I might have a different
Starting point is 00:48:11 answer. I would have left. I would have left. Huh? Ocho, you need that job, man. And then they can get another radio job somewhere in Dallas. Trust me, he can. So, let me ask you a question.
Starting point is 00:48:32 So, you think you can walk out on a job that Jerry Jones, and you're going to go get another job? Now, before you answer that, I want you to think long and hard. I think just based on circumstance and other radio stations know what happened, man, they'll
Starting point is 00:48:46 hire that boy. Jerry wants some fucking yes men because he paying them. That's all it is. He wants some. Yeah, he won't. I won't. Yes. If I'm paying you make sure you don't ask me the tough questions and make sure you're on my side at all times. A bunch of yes men.
Starting point is 00:49:02 No, it's like dudes with an entourage. I want you to think about this. You know the dude, you know the golden goose who making the money. Yeah. You never want to tell him, you know what, that ain't a good idea, boy. You know what, you shouldn't be doing that. You know what, you was drinking.
Starting point is 00:49:14 Give me your keys, let me drive. But you don't want to say nothing because you don't want to get your check cut off. You don't want your order to get cut off. Come on, man. I don't think you... Jerry. Yeah. Ocho. want to get cut off. Come on, man. I don't think Jerry yet. Oh, Joe telling the high me in Dallas
Starting point is 00:49:27 in Dallas in Dallas. If Jerry Jones goes to any anything. Okay. I see. Don't hire him. That guy's not getting hired. The Cowboys the Cowboys are Dallas
Starting point is 00:49:45 Ocho the man tried to get Roger Goodell what the hell you think he gonna do to a guy making a hundred to between a hundred thousand and four hundred thousand dollars yeah power it reveals who a person truly power. It reveals who a person truly is.
Starting point is 00:50:08 It reveals who a person truly is. You got that kind of money, you're going to flex your power. You're going to flex your muscles. You want to be attached to the Cowboys, Ocho? You want to be attached. You want to be the flagship station.
Starting point is 00:50:26 You want to be able to talk to Jerry. At what cost? At what cost? At what cost? You can't even look yourself in the goddamn mirror and really be yourself. You really can't ask the questions you need to ask. You can't ask the questions
Starting point is 00:50:42 that the people that's listening to the radio station want you to ask because you got to pay in appease't ask the questions that the people that's listening to the radio station want you to ask. Because you got to pay and appease to the man paying you the money. Write in the check. Got me fucked up. Tell him I'm not me. I ask him the questions. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:58 No, you won't. Because we're just not starting to get you to do the right thing. I know you ain't with Jerry. I ask. I know you ain't effing with Jerry. I asked him. No, you're not. Then, see, you have to be careful.
Starting point is 00:51:13 That's why I say let me have this. You got to be careful. Oh. And it's going to run everything, bro. I got the main man on speed there. I'm good. Yeah. Just between you. I'm good. Yeah. Just between you and I? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:30 The most powerful man in the NFL? He lives in Dallas. Okay. I don't like the way he's trying to scare me because he don't want no... I ain't trying to scare you. But you know I will keep it factual with you.
Starting point is 00:51:46 That's him. Steven Johnson has to make sure he got something to say this week. When asked if he sees any significant coaching or personnel changes during the bye week, he said, no, I don't. We got the right kind of guys on the coaching staff, and I think we have the right kind of players. I feel like we got the right group here. I don't necessarily know that raising hell is the answer here.
Starting point is 00:52:07 Right. So ain't no changes. Shit, I don't see it. What changes they going to make right now anyway? Ain't really – where you going to go? I mean, if you're going to make changes, there has to be a direction in which you're going to go. And when you make the change, what coach are you going to go get?
Starting point is 00:52:26 What players can you go get? No, I don't think Jerry would make a coaching change in season because Zim is on the staff. Zim's defense is getting trounced. So how do you promote him? Brian Schottenheimer has never been a head coach his office is not like they're lighting it up so if I were to remove Mike McCarthy from his duties I got you where am I going with this Ochoa I got you so but you know look that's what power I mean, power has you moving and thinking.
Starting point is 00:53:06 Oh, you asked me that question? Oh, get him up off of there. He going to talk about, it was the guy. The guy has asked you millions of questions before. Yes, he was upset because he getting the doors. He getting, hey, they breaking it off up in him. They breaking it off up in the guy. Yeah. Ocho, they breaking it off up in the car. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:26 Ocho, they're breaking it up up in him, and ain't nothing he can do. Ocho, it's one thing if you lose about a field goal here or something. Ocho. They're getting trounced. They're getting blown out of the building. They're getting trounced. Their building. Kemper Knowwood Jr. said, my question is, is one of the Broncos going to retire your
Starting point is 00:53:43 84 so no one else can wear it? You know, Kemper, that's a good question. I don't know. You know what? I need to talk to the Walton family. I think if you went to go to the Hall of Fame, I think you should have your jersey retired. Especially, I did spend 12, about 14 years there.
Starting point is 00:54:01 Helped win two Super Bowls. Hell, I think me, Zim, Warner, me, Zim, Warner, TD, champ, hell, all of them. Jersey's left it well.
Starting point is 00:54:19 Oh, well. You can wear it. You going to the Hall of Fame? You can wear it you go into the Hall of Fame you can get it Nelson said who are your top five Broncos of all time well you got to start with seven is one I would go TD
Starting point is 00:54:38 Von Miller John TD Von John Miller, John, TD, Vaughn. Hell, I know he only played four years there, but hell, you can't leave Peyton out. And then I'm going to say there's a tie between me and Champ Bailey for five. I would take Peyton out and put Champ. I mean, it's kind of like, I mean, look, he played for the Broncos, man.
Starting point is 00:55:21 I mean, he won the MVP. He went to two Super Bowls. He was a two-time first-team All-Pro. He broke the record for touchdown passing in the game. I mean, a season. He broke the record for passing yards in a season. So, I mean, Vaughn basically single-handedly won a Super Bowl. So, I mean, he got, what, have been 100 sacks for the Broncos.
Starting point is 00:55:47 Man, I think he's the premier defensive player in Bronco history. And, you know, we've had some, you know, we had Tombstone Jackson. We had Randy Gratishaw. You had Mack. You had Dennis Smith. You had Atwater. We've had some pretty good defensive players, but I think Vaughn is the best one. The Volume.
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Starting point is 00:57:09 I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there.
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