Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Dickerson vs. Saquon, Watson contract restructure, Kings fire Mike Brown

Episode Date: December 29, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Eric Dickerson rooting against Philadelphia Eagles RB Saquon Barkley to break his single-season rushing record. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss The Cleveland Browns and Deshaun Watson agreeing to terms on a contract restructure, easing the salary cap burden for years to come, The Sacramento Kings fire HC Mike Brown amidst mid-season woes and much more!03:13 - Browns and Watson come to terms07:12 - ED not rooting for Saquon to break his record13:00 - Sacramento Kings fire Mike Brown18:35 - Tyler Perry24:28 - Q and Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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easing the salary cap burden for years to come. The reworked deal also signals that Watson is expected to be with the Browns next season. This is about cap space after the deal is up. The Browns mentioned they will bring a quarterback in for competition. Who would they bring in? Somebody. I like the fact that they are bringing him back. God damn, I wanted this to work for him so bad.

I did too. It just hasn't panned out the way it should be. I'm hoping and wishing and wanting to see that same Deshaun Watson that we got to see when he was in Houston, when he didn't have the weapons that he has at his disposal right now in Cleveland, and it just hasn't panned out to be just that. He gets another shot at it. He gets another opportunity at it. He gets another opportunity at it.

Another off-season training, another mini-camp, another training camp. So I'm hoping he gets Achilles. Achilles, right? Yeah, he ruptures his Achilles. Yeah, I mean... It's just hard for me to see Ocho after being

so far removed from when we saw you at your best. Right. Now the injuries, an Achilles injury, he had shoulder surgery. The shoulder surgery is easy to overcome,

but that Achilles. Different, that's a different ballgame. It's just hard, Ocho. You just don't see guys do what he's done and then all of a sudden ascend back up. It's like a plane

boy it's hard to get hey now you get one of those little little crop dustings it's easy to pull them out of a nosedive but when you got it you got a jumbo jet oh yeah oh it's difficult i mean yes even if we don't get the old the deshaun watson old, can we get the Deshaun Watson that we can count on? A Deshaun Watson that can not turn the ball over, make all the throws, you know, be able to hand it off to Chubb. I don't even recognize this guy. Yeah, I mean, this- I don't recognize him, Ocho.

What we saw in Houston, and even if we even- And I'm just saying, okay, let's just say we don't get 100% of what we saw in Houston. Let's get 90. Can we get 85-90? Ocho, Ocho, I don't know if we've gotten 40% of what he was in Houston. It's not even that close. Yeah.

It seems like everybody looks better in that offense than him. Yeah. Blacko threw the ball better in that offense than him. Yeah. Flacco threw the ball better in that offense than him. Jameis throws the ball better. Now, look, granted, Jameis is a turnover machine, but at least Jameis is throwing for 300, 400 yards.

I don't know if Deshaun has had a 300-yard game in that offense. And when you can run the ball with Chubb, because he's had some years where Chubb was healthy. Now, this year, Chubb started and he wasn't healthy. Last year, he got nicked. But, man, I just don't know.

I hope, I want to see, because nobody want to see the guy. I mean, the guy got traded at 26. Yeah. And it's prime. We don't see guys, we don't see quarterbacks. That's not, no. Unless they have injury. We saw Brady left, we don't see quarterbacks. That's not, no. Unless they have injury. We saw Brady left, but Brady was in year 20.

Manning left, but he had a serious injury. We saw Drew Brees, but Drew Brees wasn't the Drew Brees that we, but he still had an injury. But he wasn't the Drew Brees with the Chargers that he became with their Saints. So it's an anomaly that we see guys quarterbacks. Yeah, Rodgers left, but you look at what year was it with Rodgers? Like 18, 19? Same thing with Favre. Like what, 16, 17?

Normally we don't see 26-year-old quarterbacks that are uninjured leave. Right. So hopefully he can get this thing figured out. Ocho. I'm the only one that's not surprised by this. But, doggy, E.D. isn't rooting for Saquon to break his record. Hall of Famer E.D., Eric Dickerson, was honest about how he feels. I don't think

he'll break it do I want him to break it absolutely not E.D. was also quick to point out I think why if he does he'll do it in 17

regular season games one more to E.D. E.D. you do realize that you broke O.J.'s record in 16 games and O.J.'s

went 2014 what are we talking about? That's why I'm saying, Ocho, remember we had that conversation? You said, should we add an asterisk? And I said, no. Because at one point in time, the records were in a 12 game schedule. And then it went to a 14 game. And then it went to a 16

game. And eventually it's going to go to an 18 game. So maybe if you get a receiver and he plays a good 12, 13, 14 years, he could challenge Jerry's record. Because if he plays that length of time, that's an extra season. A season and a half.

Yeah. So now the record, now all of a sudden, the sack total, you might have somebody Ocho catch 160 balls. You might have some. Yes! You're going to get a 2,000-yard receiver. Because they're playing

more games, but it is what it is. But I'm not surprised. I don't pull no punches on that, but I'm not whining about it. He has 17 games to do it. Saquon is 268 yards away from ED's record that he set, 2105,

during the 84th season. Remember, in that season, Dan Marino was the MVP. E.D. was the offensive rookie of the year. That was the year Dan went 48 touchdowns, which broke Dan Fowler's record, but he also went 5,000, which many thought was impossible. 5,000 in 16 games in that era? That's like 6,000 yards in today's era. But I digress. The Eagles have

two more games on their remaining schedule. He's 1,838 yards. He has to average 133.5. Now he's playing the Giants and the Cowboys, both who are terrible against the rush. Now it's going to be a little different

because there's no threat of Jalen Hurts. Kenny Pickett is going to get the start tomorrow. Also, Jalen is already out. He's already out. You know who they're going to put a team on

Saquon Beckner? Yeah. A team on Saquon Beckner. When. Put a team on Saquon back. When they have to throw, when they have to throw, they will. I think A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith, hey, listen, you already understand the landscape of the game, understand the game plan going in. I don't think you're going to get the balls you might want. It's not going to be the same.

No. They call in changes significantly when the number two quarterback is in the game. It ain't going to be the same. So it's going to be some mad faces on that sideline now. All I know, Ocho, if I'm the Cowboys or the Giants, you ain't getting no record against me. You ain't finna have me in the record books. I don't know how they're going gonna stop it. They ain't stopping

nobody. Easy. I don't care. I don't care if Kenny Pickett throw for 5,000 yards. He ain't getting it. And the Giants, I don't care if AJ and Devontae go for 250 apiece. He not breaking no record. Ocho. Yeah.

You see that sack record? They keep short it, right? 22 and 5, yeah. Yeah. And see that sack record? They keep shorting, right? Me 2-5, yeah. Yeah. And Michael Strahan and the Packers, right there, yeah. The touchdown mark. The yardage mark. You know you said, oh no, oh no, you ain't getting no record on me.

Right. I ain't finna be in your highlights. Not gonna happen. Nope. Nope. No can do. Saquon has topped that number in six of his 15 games. With Jalen Hurts being out with a concussion, the Eagles made more. And guess what? Now he's going to get an opportunity.

Because they're not going to just drop back and throw the ball. Yeah. And the Cowboys are weak against the rush. The Eagles offensive line is very, very good. They're physical. You're going to have to match their physicality. Oh, yeah. But I'm not surprised.

I know ED. We worked their thoughts together, but I've known ED for a number of years. We make no secret about it. People are like, ED's never made any secrets about it. He don't want anybody to break that record. Well, definitely. I mean, listen, records are meant to be broken.

Some people hold them more. I broke somebody's record, Ocho. Yeah. I did. It didn't mean a thing when Tony got my record and eventually Kittle or Kelsey going to have more 150-yard games than I got. Okay, and?

Ocho, all I could do was the best I could do. eventually Kittle or Kelsey going to have more 150 yard games than I got. And right. Okay. And I did. Oh, so all I could do was the best I could do. I can't measure. If somebody breaks my record, I'm not measuring myself against them. I did the best I could do. I got everything I could out of my ability.

Oh, Joe. So what somebody else did that doesn't diminish what I did. Right. And I think sometimes people look at it like that. Sometimes if somebody, I had a record, they broke it. Now, no, there ain't no comparison. I don't think anybody's going to compare Saquon to you, bro.

Bro, you a top 100 running back. You a top 100 player in the history of the NFL. Your place is secure. Yeah, different. And when I see you, I would say, man, you need to let that itch go and put up a sign saying break that record. Saquon. The Sacramento Kings fired Mike Brown on Friday. He was just 31 games into his third

season as head coach and just got two years removed from being coach of the year after ending Sacramento's 16-season playoff drought as the number three seed, no less. The Kings, after adding DeMar DeRozan this summer, has gotten off to a rough start

starting the season in 31 games, 13-18, and have lost five straight. Brown did a presser and the full practice was fired. He was informed on a phone call as he was on his way to the airport to leave to play the Lakers. Mike Malone, this is what Mike Malone had to say. He went scorched earth on his former employee, fine Mike. At first, I was really shocked and surprised.

Then I caught myself. I said, why am I shocked and surprised? I'm not for two reasons. One, because an NBA head coach, ultimately you're going to get the blame. When the Kings win, the credit goes to Fox and Sabonis. When they lose, they blame, Going to go on Mike Brown. That's the way it works.

And for two, and who works and who he works for. So I'm not surprised that Mike got fired because I got fired by the same person. And really what pissed, okay, what peed me off about the fact that they lost the night in the field game in a row. I believe tough following the jump shooter. They had practice this morning. How he does the media. He's in his car believe, Tuff filing the jump shooter. They had practice this morning. He does the media. He's in his car heading to the airport, fly to L.A. They call him on the phone and tell him he's fired.

No class, no cojones. That's all I'll say about that. Mike, I think you've said a lot. I don't think you need to add anything to that. Why would they wait if you already know? Especially a decision like that has already been made. It's not like, you know, y'all want to fire him now. The man had been through practice and everything, you know, all week long.

And then you wait until he's here at the airport. They don't play the games. Yeah. You know what? When you come to the decision, we're no longer going to retain you or your contract. You're fired immediately can you imagine i would i would have cut with a custer on it man what you're gonna do okay you still fired don't you yeah but you could you couldn't tell me you couldn't have told me that at the facility

you couldn't have told me that before i put this goddamn suit on and headed to the goddamn airport yeah i think oh joe honestly this is what I think I mean it was tough because they had a lead and it was Fox that fouled a guy with a three point shot and now it's a

four point play and he was kind of critical and normally what happens you don't criticize your superstar star player

yeah but they just if I'm not mistaken, look this up. Didn't they just give him a contract extension in June? De'Aaron Fox? No, Mike Brown. Brown? Oh.

A lot is being made about the comments about De'Aaron Fox. Fox doesn't feel like the Kings roster feels guilt following the Wow. I wouldn't use roster feels guilt. Wow. I wouldn't use the word guilt. That's the nature of the job that we have. Obviously, him signing extension this summer, we thought we'd be together a whole lot longer.

But that's the decision that they made. But at the end of the day, too, he's still getting paid. Wow. A great part of being an NBA player and being an NBA coach, those things happen, but contracts are guaranteed. Wow. I don't think he's disappointed that Mike Brown got fired. No, probably not. And the fact that you mentioned money, anytime money comes into play

when mentioning someone being fired, well, you shouldn't feel that bad because you still get to get paid anyway. Listen, that's the nature of the business, especially when it comes to basketball for players and coaches. I feel bad. I feel bad Ocho has happened to me twice. Let me tell you why I feel bad. Because I feel bad because I feel if I had done my job,

the man still have his job. For you not to feel any guilt, for you not to feel any remorse, you don't feel that you could have done anything different to save this man's job? Nothing. The only thing they can do is win and play better. That's pretty much it. But he still has no guilt.

I mean, he's averaging 26 points. I mean, he's a phenomenal player. Yeah, he is. I mean, hey, all things being equal, the Lakers probably should have, wait, no, probably, knowing what we know now, should have taken him over Lonzo. But

Magic wanted a pass first point guard. Foxes more than a score. But now what do they need? Scoring. To go along with AD and LeBron. Now LeBron is out tonight. I think they're playing the Kings. They are playing the Kings. And AD and Austin Reeves and Rui

are having outstanding games right now. But that's just me. But, I mean, I'm reading his... And I don't, like, I just read it. He said, I wouldn't use the word guilt. That's the nature of the job that we have. Obviously, him signing his extension this summer, we thought we'd be together a whole lot longer.

But that's the decision that they made. But at the end of the day, he's still getting paid. Like, oh, he getting paid, so what? Yeah. Why am I feeling bad about it? Mm-hmm. Because had you had played better, maybe had you not filed that guy on that three-point shot and you won that game,

maybe he'd have his job for another day or another week. And then maybe you guys turn around, you go on a winning streak and he's still with the band. But that's not the here and there. We'll never know, Ocho. Ocho, check this out.

Billionaire Tyler Perry reveals that his son only gets books and Legos for Christmas and is only allowed to fly commercial until he understands that I work

and he does not. I think his son is what? 10? 12 years? 10 years old? It's not a bad thing, is it? It's not a bad thing. Books and Legos? Yeah. Read.

Yeah. Read. So if somebody gave you for Christmas, you all know to get books and Legos. You know Tyler is exaggerating a little bit. We just read what he's saying. You know you're getting your child, you're getting your tenant,

however old a son or daughter may be, you're getting more than books and Legos. I know you're getting more than that. Well, that's a lie he told it. I also understand the lessons about playing commercial. I like that. He's setting a precedent. You're not going to be spoiled. When your time does come,

you need to understand the value of a dollar. That's what my grandma, that grandma is still letting me early now. Let me ask you a question. Have you seen Tyler Perry's home? Yeah. $100 million. How do you live in a $100 million home and you're not spoiled? You seen Tyler Perry's home? Yeah. $100 million. How you live in a $100 million home and you're not spoiled? You think Tyler getting up and cooking breakfast?

Or his mom's cooking breakfast? Who's cooking breakfast? A chef? So who you think? You think he has security? So when he goes someplace, you think they got security? Security? So how do you not be spoiled in that environment?

You know what? And when you're in that environment, and Tyler Perry understands what it took to get to that environment, to be able to get a $100 million house, the work you have to put into it, and you want to make sure you instill that in your child so your child doesn't become lazy and dependent on you. So when you're no longer around, they're able to function for themselves. Well, the kind of money Tyler got, when he's no longer around, they're able to function for themselves. Well, the kind of money Tyler got when he no longer around, he's going to be straight. You know, I know. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Yeah. When you growing up, did you have heated toilets? Hell no.

Exactly. I bet you he got them. What you want to bet? Probably so. I didn't have no garage when I grew up how many how many stall garage do you think Tyler Perry has home has 5, 6, 10

probably something like that how many rooms you think that house 100 million dollar room 100 million dollar house how many rooms you think and it got a private landing strip so he can land his jet right out there in the front yard. That's nice.

I get the gist of this, but Ocho, you can't instill that in a child. At the end of the day, a child is going to want to do it or he doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you know, I don't know how the saying goes but uh train the child up in the way i i said you know leave the child in the way you'd have him to go oh yeah you gotta do you gotta you gotta do what you do do the best you can you know once they turn 13

everything that's that's it ain't nothing no, he probably, you know, he don't understand hard work. Godparents, Oprah Winfrey, she ain't got no money. Cicely Tyson, who's recently passed away, I think she was 99 years of age. But okay. I do, but I get the gist of what he's trying to do. Trying to do, yeah, most definitely. But it's just hard. Yeah.

It's hard when, you know what, I want this, and the chef goes in there and flips it up. Right. You want fresh toast? You want eggs, Benedict? You want a waffle? Fresh made, I'll buy that. Not no box, not no Eggo.

Not that there's anything wrong with Eggo, but he probably eating fresh waffles. When they got the machine, they turn it upside down and make sure it's good on both sides, don't you? Yeah. Yeah, I understand what Tyler's doing, especially if you know Tyler's story, where he come from,

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Riley Moss got cooked this week. Who they? If your team lost this week, I don't want to hear you say foot or ball. Didn't you see the Ravens win on Wednesday? Did you not see that? Listen, hey, don't

do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do what? You are a Denver Bronco. You're a Denver Bronco. You spent most of your career as a Denver Bronco, so you cannot say foot or ball at what happened tonight. Or yesterday, matter of fact.

Let me ask you a question. Had you won that Super Bowl ring with the Patriots, what you gonna say? You ain't no Patriot? Yeah, because I didn't contribute to that ring at all. You did. You caught a touchdown that year? Yeah. And you caught a key first down.

I did too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Uh, X, X, O Sanity in Ocho's voice. I better not hear you say foot or ball. Better yet,

I better not hear the letters F or B come out of your mouth. I should have never said, boy, y'all won't care. I should have never said that. I should have left that alone and just saved that and just told you that in private. And now that's all that's on my timeline. Matter of fact, that's a new shirt right there. That's a new slogan for the shirt.

You better not say Foot or ball. Scooty Puff said, keep that same energy for Bo Nix. INT, late in the fourth quarter. It's the burl all season. See it with your chest out. Yeah, y'all saw me. No, you can't. That's what happens when you predetermine. He predetermined where he was going. He didn't read that.

Because if he had read it, he just saw Pratt and got up underneath it. He predetermined. I'm throwing this over ball to Sutton. No matter what. No matter what. He didn't read it. Pratt picked that thing right off. Yes. King Wynn said since 8 wins

since Wynn and lost to the QB stat let me ask you a question that's the only position that get credit for Wynn who's the all time winning quarterback Tom Brady

that's always been Ocho I tell you when is the last time you say a tight end or wide receiver has 20 come from behind Tom Brady. They've always been. That's always been. Ocho, I tell you what. When is the last time you say a tight end or wide receiver has 20 come from behind wins? Never. Who they give that stat to? The quarterback. They've always given it to the quarterback, y'all.

Yeah. This is not like all of a sudden we're changing the rule to say wins are quarterback stat. They've always done it. Always. That's why Tom Brady. Wait, you see. So when it's Patrick Mahomes getting the playoffs,

you will see most postseason playoff wins. And you're not going to see that for offensive lineman. You're not going to see that for a defensive tackle. You're not going to see that for a tight end or wide receiver. You're going to see that for an offensive lineman. You're not going to see that for a defensive tackle. You're not going to see that for a tight end or a wide receiver. You're going to see that for coaches and quarterbacks. It's not new, guys. It's really not. I get it.

Joe Burrow's having a phenomenal season. He is. But wins have always gone on the quarterback's resume. And the more you win, and they double come playoff time. We're not making this up. I don't know. That team's stat of eight straight weeks of 250 passes and three touchdowns, minimum elite territory.

Lamar is special. He's dragging the team. But seven losses, though. So what are we going to do? I mean, they don't give wins and losses to any other position other than the quarterback. They've always done that, guys. I don't know why. Look, and I get it.

Y'all like Joe. Joe, you're probably from Cincinnati, or you're LSU, or you're a Joe Burrow look, and I get it. Y'all like Joe. Joe, you're probably from Cincinnati or you're LSU or you're a Joe Burrow fan. And I get it. But they've always given wins and losses to quarterbacks. Oh, Joe, you know that. Most definitely. Yeah, I just don't like the fact that it comes up when a quarterback like Joe or whoever it might have been putting up the number he's putting up,

and the one thing that keeps him out of the conversation is the fact that you have the losses you do. Y'all remember those great seasons where Kobe was putting up those numbers, but they were losing, and he ain't getting no MVP? Y'all remember that? Yeah, that's what happens. Hell, I remember when Matthewthew stafford threw he went

leveled in five and he threw for 5 000 yards and he ain't get no mvp right y'all see what y'all trying to do is that y'all trying to make it seem like this is an isolated event that there's never been in the history of the game hell patrick mahomes had 38 and 6 and he went 13 and 3 and didn't win Aaron Rodgers won it guys this has happened before hell Dan Marino threw 44 touchdowns one year and didn't win MVP damn they gave it to LT

they didn't give it to him I'm just saying because I think Dan won I think Dan was 9 and 7 but we gotta stop this notion I think Dan was 9-7. But we got to stop this notion that, oh, since when did wins become a quarterback stat? Always. Most wins through the first five years of a start.

Most wins. That's what they do. Coaches, the wins and losses go on the coaches and quarterbacks resume right who has the most wins of the wide receiver who has the most wins of the tight end who has the most wins of the db you couldn't tell me but i bet y'all know who has the most wins all-time wins of the quarterback who has the most all-time wins of the coach who has the most all-time wins as a coach? Who has the most all-time wins as a general manager? Guys, this is not new. It's really not. Joe has had a phenomenal season, but I think

it's going to be extremely hard with seven losses considering how well Lamar is playing with five losses. Considering how well Josh Allen is playing with three losses. Jared Goff with two losses. I just, I think it's just going to be hard for him to get it.

That's. Damn. Jerry Rice has the most by wide receiver 194, which you've never heard. Jason Witten has the most career by a wide receiver, 194, which you've never heard. Jason Witten has the most career wins by a tight end, 150. Darrell Green has the most career wins by a DB, 162. You ever heard those stats before on show? Yes, sir. No, but Tom Brady.

How many Tom Brady's Tom Brady got? Two something. Most win by a coach, Don Shuler. Second most wins? Coach Belichick. And then you probably have to go like Tom Landry or something,

but it's always been that, guys. It's always I'm not making up any new news. I'm not making up anything, but wins and losses has always been bestowed because that's how we judge quarterbacks. Wins and losses. And especially

come playoff time. Quan said, can Josh Allen do what he's doing in the AFC North? He doesn't have to, guys. So now we got to transplant, guys. Oh, lord have mercy do you believe

I believe Joe is operating his system right you're not gonna go ask Joe to do what he's doing in Baltimore because that's a totally different system completely different completely different

you're not gonna ask Joe to go run Josh Allen's system because Josh runs a totally different system. They're not going to ask Joe Burrow to run no quarterback power. They're not asking Joe to run zone read like Lamar does. Guys, it is okay. Y'all make it seem like Joe is in the last year and he's retiring. He's going to have other years to potentially win the MVP.

Right. He's going to win one. Yes. How old is Joe? 27, 28? Because he stayed five years, right? So he probably was 23 when he came out. So he's older than Lamar.

Yeah, I believe so. I'm not sure how old Joe is. He just turned 28. And Lamar is 27. Yeah, he turned 28 on December 10th. I think Lamar is 27. Yeah, he turned 28 on December 10th. I think Lamar is just 27. Mahomes is 29. But you know, Joe was redshirt.

He transferred and he stayed. So he stayed in school a little longer. He was better. Had he come out after his junior year, he's probably third or fourth round pick. He goes back and have the greatest season ever for a college quarterback, and he goes number one overall.

That was a great season. That's a pretty good turnoff, Ocho. Spent an extra year in college and become the number one overall pick as opposed to leaving early and being a third or fourth or maybe in a fifth round pick because he did not have a good junior season. And he lived up to those expectations too.

He has? But he is living up to them. Yes. Lamar Robinson said, Hey, Uncle Nocho, depressed Giants fan here. Besides an exorcism, what do the Giants need to do better to do to be better as a team?

As a team, you got to start with getting the quarterback first. He said Giants. You got to get him. You got to get him. You're a Giants fan. Yeah. Once you get a quarterback,

everything becomes so much easier because all you do is you build and put pieces around that quarterback and you go from there. Until you get that, boy, it's going to be hell, boy. Yeah. I mean, you got a great piece.

I like Neighbors. He's phenomenal. Yeah, he's nice. You got to show up that offensive line. I mean, y'all a couple of years away because y'all more... A quarterback is a great start.

But y'all's in pieces. Y'all about five or six players away. You're about five or six players away. It's going to happen. It's going to be over time, though. Little Steelers Hurricane Youth Football said, where do you see Cam Ward going in the 2025 draft?

This is what we know. We know the Giants need a quarterback. We know the Raiders need a quarterback. We know the Saints need a quarterback. We know Tennessee need a quarterback. Saints don't really need a quarterback, but they might need to start looking. Because this is what we know, Ocho. Who? The Saints don't really need a quarterback, but they might need to start looking.

Because this is what we know, Ocho. Who? The Saints. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Derek Carr gets nicked every year. Mm-hmm. And he either missed time during the season or he misses a large part of the time that wipes the season out. Right.

But Tennessee, the Giants, the Raiders, they absolutely need a quarterback. The Jets need to think about a quarterback also. They got to do something. Every team we just named, they have to do something. If they're serious about the team and changing the coach. Cleveland. Cleveland needs to think about one also.

Yeah. Because Baltimore is straight. Cincinnati is straight. Pittsburgh, you think Pittsburgh because they got Russ, they got Justin. AFC West, Bo Nix is set. Herbert is set. Kansas City is set So Raiders

You need something AFC South India is set Houston is set Jags are set Tennessee You not set Right

Go to the NFC North Green Bay is set Set Detroit is set Set Seahawks Minnesota Well they double set they double set

Chicago set they got Caleb Williams okay let's go to the Ochoa State wants to go to the NFC West you got the Rams set Cardinals set who else the 49ers so you got 49ers in Seattle.

Rock getting ready to get paid now. Okay. Geno, I mean, Geno is like fifth in passing yards. They smack dab, they went to the playoff, they right dab on the hunt again this year. So I think they're set. So now you got the NFC South. Tampa

set., set. Carolina, set. They ain't drafting a quarterback. Atlanta just drafted one in the first round. Yep. And New Orleans. But only a few spots now. Yeah.

And so you got Miami. Miami don't need a quarterback. Who else in the ALCE? Buffalo doesn't need a quarterback so you got the Jets and the Patriots the Patriots just selected one so I think it's going

now just because a team maybe somebody zoom up the board and say hey we want to draft a quarterback for the future because we don't believe the quarterbacks coming out in the next two to three years are better than what's eligible right now. Ocho, never know. Hell, we didn't see Andy Reid zooming up. Hey, Alex Smith had just took him to the playoffs.

Andy Reid goes up 17 spots, 16 spots to get a quarterback. Yeah. So you never, never know. spots, 16 spots to get a quarterback. Yeah. So, you never, never, no. Fuzzy. Hmm. Dylan Gabriel is only a few touchdowns from re-breaking the record, which

will make Cam Ward look hella dumb. Look. Look. Ocho and I, we discussed this a little earlier. Yeah. Ocho and I we discussed this a little earlier Ocho and I we're in accordance we wouldn't have done what he did but this young man did what he did we don't know why he did it

I'm just going to trust his judgment that's not what I've done either I'm sitting out or I'm playing but I'm not going to start the game and then come out the second half that's not what I'm doing. It's just hard for me to believe, Ocho, that he's like, okay, I got the record knowing that Gabriel is

coming behind him, but who knows? It's not a good look, but he did it, Fuzzy. I don't know why he did it, but that's the decision that he made. That's the decision that he's going to have to live with. And your last college game, Ocho? Yeah, man. Nah, I ain't going out like that.

Not me. Not me. I'm not going out like that, but hey. Evan Bursting. Since when has strength of a roster been a part of MVP evaluation? Look at Kurt Warner's roster. Look at Peyton Man of MVP evaluation? Look at Kurt Warner's roster. Look at Peyton Manning's roster. Look at Tom Brady's roster.

When he had Mahomes, had Reek in 87. So who are we looking at? I guess is this about Lamar? And I think we went through that the other day. We went through that. Edrin had 1,548 yards rushing, and you're right. He won an MVP with Reggie. He won an MVP with Marvin Harrison and Stokely as his wideout.

He won in Denver. He had, who did he have? He had DT, Demarius Thomas, rest his soul. He had Eric Decker. He had Julius Thomas. He had Wes Welker. He had NoSean Marino. Those boys were loaded, bro.

They were. And as he mentioned, you mentioned Kurt Warner. Kurt had Oz. He had Torrey Holt. He had Isaac Bruce. He had Reggie Ray. He had, excuse me, Marshall. Marshall was Offensive Player of the Year for like three years in a row,

and he won an MVP. So I get it. I get it. Trudy Lawrence said, hey, Shea and Ocho, have you seen 6888, a movie by Tyler Perry? What are your thoughts? I have not. I have not seen it either.

Is it good? Yeah. I mean, shoot. Listen, I've been a Tyler Perry fan since the stage plays. Oh, yeah. The stage plays was unbelievable. Yeah, I haven't had an opportunity to go watch anything. Speaking of stuff, watching stuff, you watch Squid Game, Tom?

No. No? I mean, I would like to watch a lot more things if they stop bringing bowl games and NFL football on TV. On TV, yeah. I mean, because now, as we see, like, I've been watching games. I watch games Monday, watch games Wednesday, watch games Thursday, watch games Saturday.

Got to guess what? Got games against Sunday, games against Monday. And then we got basketball. Then we got the bowl game. We're about to have, you know, the college football playoff about to crank back up.

Ash said it was great. Maybe we'll watch and do a nightcap movie review sometime. Hey, I like that. What? Come on. I ain't got no money. Well, I got your Netflix account, Ash.

It's on Netflix. You got it. You got it. Well, if you didn't watch the first one, I don't know if you're going to be lost watching the second one. But I guess. I was talking about the Tyler Perry play. Oh, see. A movie.

Okay. Yeah. I said, I got Ash's Netflix account. So. And she be watching trash movies too. Actually, it's called, it's called Six Triple Eight.

Oh, that's what the movie's called. Six Triple Eight. Okay. Shows what I know. And I try to watch a lot of different stuff, but you need to let me know there's something that we gonna talk about so I can watch a lot of different stuff, but you need to let me know

there's something that we're going to talk about so I can watch it. Other than that, what we're going to talk about over here, I'll watch. Apache Hawks and Uncannoture, I recently turned 29 on the 23rd of this month, and I was wondering if you two have any advice

for a man approaching his 30s wanting to start a career and a family. What you mean start a career? Start a career? Now, family I get. Bro, you're 29. What the hell you mean start a family?

So, I'm trying to figure out what you did from the time your early 20s till now. You was out there having fun, huh? You was out there having fun? Hey, you can have fun, but you have to understand what about a career?

You got to start. You got to start that. I mean, it ain't never too late to start, but you should. Yeah, but you don't know,

but you don't start thinking about a career at 29. Yeah. You might not start a career by me. Okay, let's just say, Ocho,

you were doing something, but that's not what you wanted to do. Right. And that's different. That's different. But you got to be able to separate the two, though. Yes. Do the career. Do the career.

Get your feet wet in the career. Then. Get the fam. Then get the fam. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of harder. get that career rolling a little bit, man. Get some consistency first.

Yeah. Then start a family. Yeah. I mean, look, I ain't going to tell you how to live your life. You can do it however you want to. But it's a lot easier if you got a career and to get a family than get a family and try to find a career. Yeah. Made for This Mountain is a podcast

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My bad. Yeah. We get the gist of what you were saying. She want to talk. And you don't want to. Hey, listen. And I tell you, if you bring me that phone and show me that phone, who is this?

Who? I just... Oh, because you don't have... Hey, you get amnesia. Who is this? You can't see. Hey, hold on. You start squealing.

Who? Man, I don't know. I ain't never seen that before. Yeah, I don't know who that is. That ain't what you said. That ain't what you said that ain't what you said right here oh I don't man somebody

somebody done photoshopped my phone man hey I remember them days in high school and college why you go on my phone yeah I remember them days but as always we need to talk

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thank you so much bro appreciate that happy belated birthday never too late to get a birthday we normally here we normally go like three to five days after that it's too late we get to next time around. We ain't finna be no three months past your birthday. Man, my birthday was in March, and here we are in May. That's a little bit too late. But, Joe, happy birthday, man. Hopefully, I mean, bro, you had a lot going on.

Got Christmas, birthday. That's sad for you because, you know, you get one gift, and it's a Christmas present and a birthday gift. So, I feel sorry for people that got December birthdays, especially close around Christmas or Christmas

because, oh yeah, I got you a Christmas gift. That ain't no Christmas gift, that birthday because you got it in Christmas wrapping paper. Yep, and I want both. Dylan Mitchell said, can you give me a shout out? I'm a spinal cord injury survivor and intense recovery from Mississippi.

Dylan, keep your head up, bro. Chin up one step at a time, one day at a time, and believe that you are going to walk again, that you're going to be the old Dylan that you once were, that you didn't unforeseen incident happened. But guess what? Sunshine follows rain and Dylan, you're going to walk again. Got to believe that.

Praying for you. Oh, he got. Oh, he got. Oh, I thought he said. Oh, so he got MS. Multiple sclerosis. Oh, Dylan. I'm trying to think, do I know somebody that had that?

Is it curable, Ash? Dylan, we're praying for you, bro. Yes, sir. It's tough. It's tough to be something one day and then have to, and then your life is altered the next. And we at Nightcap, the family here at Nightcap, bro, our sincere thoughts and prayers go out to you, bro.

Because I can only imagine what you must be thinking, what you must be going through, what your family is thinking, what they're going through. So, I don't even know if I have the words and I'm pretty good with words and I don't even know if I have the words, but all I can say is that, bro, we're here. We're with you.

Stay strong in your spirits and in your thoughts and just continue to be the best Dylan and pray. And, uh, hopefully you find comfort, but,

uh, sorry, sorry to hear about your diagnosis, but we believe in you. And we believe that you're going to pull it through this clutch conversation. Podcast says, what advice do you have for small podcasters between love the show uh advice it's a lot of work bro and it all depends i because i don't really know when you

said i don't really know what type of podcasting that you do uh i don't know if you're sports involved if it's sports related because you know sports happen on holidays sports happens on the weekends basically sports said wow it's year-round no joke yeah it used to be you know football is it's year-round you know you got basketball so one thing bleeds into another now we don't really cover a whole lot of the other sports we're mainly focused on football and basketball uh now we've kind of gotten to the, you know, track and field because the Olympics and the world championships, which I really like that.

But I think the thing is that hard work, find your niche, whatever it is you're going to do and just become addicted to the grind. Get people that are also addicted as much as you are to the grind and just try to be the best, immerse yourself in what you're trying to do, what you're trying to accomplish. Read a lot, but I've surrounded myself with really good people. I am not the smartest person in the room. I think I'm like third and there are only three people in the room. So I feel good about that. I feel really good about that. But I think, I think, Clutch,

that's it, man. You got to start small. I mean, everybody started small. Everybody started. Nobody really started at the top of the food chain. But it's a gradual climb. It's the work in, work out, day by day.

One subscriber, 10 subscribers. But it's all about creating great content. Make people want to listen to what you have to say. Make people talk about what you're having to say. Hey man, did you hear that podcast, Clutch Conversation Podcast? Man, they had some interesting conversation.

They talked about this and so forth and so on. So that would be my advice that I would give you. Make people talk about you. Make people want to listen to you make people want to see you download what you have to say make people want to share what you're what the content that you're creating damn on here I was trying to be on here for like an hour hour. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Y'all know

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but he doesn't come out for the second half. I'm sure that's something that's going to be talked about over the next couple of days. The Browns and Deshaun Watson have agreed to a restructured contract. Eric Dickerson is not wanting Saquon to break his record.

Sacramento Kings fired Mike Brown over the phone as he was on his way to the flight to go head to LA for the Kings to face the Lakers. That's nightcap for you. Thank you guys for joining us.

Thank you for staying up late. We'll see you tomorrow after Sunday night football. I'm up. He's Ocho. We're out. I love you. The volume. The made for this mountain podcast exists to empower listeners to rise The Volume. ever be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain.

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