Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 2: Draymond Green RECRUITING PITCH to LeBron + Heat EYEING Russell Westbrook + Tim Hardaway Sr. TAKES ISSUE With Players Podcasts + Stefon Diggs CLAIMS He’s BEST WR #2

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Draymond Green pitching LeBron to join Warriors, Heat looking to sign Russell Westbrook, Tim Hardaway Sr. takes issue with current player podcasts and Stefon Diggs Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Draymond Green on his recruiting pitch to LeBron on their golfing trip22:20 - the Heat are an option to sign Russell Westbrook31:55 - Tim Hardaway Sr has an issue with players podcasting during the season40:49 - Hardaway also came at Tyler Herro for not being “all the way Heat”57:49 - Stefon Diggs says he’s the best WR2 in the NFL (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Draymond Green spoke about recruiting pitch for LeBron James on their golfing trip. Let's take a listen to what Dre and his recruiting pitch was. And us being brothers, I'd be remissed if I don't take the opportunity to throw my pitch in there. You know, I'd be crazy if we're together for X amount of days. And at no point in my mind, like, y'all, we need to chop it up. Like, what the hell is going on? What's what are we doing? And so there's that.

Of course I did that. And of course, the pitch was crazy. I think I'm pretty decent at it. Does it change anything? Does it make anything happen? I don't know. I hope so. With the things that I shared in it, I believe it definitely is going to make the brain work a little bit.

you know, if I don't think there's a decision that's been made, but say if there was, it'll make you think twice about it, you know. And so that's that. Multiple, and today, according to front office sports, multiple Western Congress executive expect LeBron James will sign with the Warriors over the Cavaliers. Wow. Joe, who's saying that, Joe?

Hey. Yeah. I think I heard you utter that or something. You may have said something like that. All things being equal, Joe. All things being equal, the Warriors make more sense than anybody. Because what the, when LeBron Jays won championships, what did was he surrounded by?

Shooters. Yeah. Batier, Rio, Mike Miller. Mike Miller, Kyle Corver. Yeah. J.R. Smith. Yeah.

Guys that. Danny Green, Carlwell Pope, guys that can knock down open shots. Who can knock down better open shots than one,

Stefan, Wardell, excuse me, Wardell or Stephen Curry. That just one person. But let me tell you, Tom, let me tell you something

about the heat. Oh, here he go. You got Wiggins, right? Yeah, yeah. You know he's 40% from three, huh? Yeah. Yeah.

Would you rather take, Another take Wiggins 40% from three. Let me finish. Okay. We got Tim Hardaway Jr. Yeah. Another shooter.

Yeah. Yeah. And we got Young Bull. We got Young Bull. Huh? Dave Yon Mitchell? Well, no, he's the point, ain't he? Yeah, he can shoot, though.

I mean, he's okay. He ain't great. We got somebody else coming, though. Oh, you got Clay Thompson coming, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Joe, you all listen to me now when I'm talking, man. You know, people be he-he and ha-ha and thinking I'm lying,

and I've been right all year long. We've got about Ray Allen, Ocho, I mean Joe, or Joe and Ocho. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, in Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, shooters. That's when he thrives at his best.

He won't shooters around him because he knows the double team's going to come. And guess what? The double team doesn't come because they're attached to those shooters. Now he can get downhill more freely. Kevin Love revamped his game to become what? A shooter.

People don't realize Kevin Love was 24 and 12. Every night. I don't think people. people realize just how great Kevin Love was. He was on a Hall of Fame trajectory with no championships in Minnesota, but he was 24 and 12. Every night. Kevin Love was getting 30 points and 20 rebounds.

Every night. Kevin Love was him. He revamped this game because he realized that was what's best for the team. Very, very, very unselfish. Yeah. Hey, you got a great point on when he's surrounded by those shooters. it makes everybody stay home. Yeah.

And it opens up the floor for them to be able to operate, navigate, and score, make plays, post up. And that's how you control the game, especially in the postseason when the game starts to slow down a little bit, Uncle Ocho, and you're like, look, boom, we got to get something good. We didn't have two, three possessions, dead possessions, to where we hadn't got anything. Shit, chat.

You mean telling me, boy, you put him in that boy, what the hell on the same team, huh? Huh? Hey y'all saw it you saw it the olympics y'all saw it hey hey hey hey hey you see it i ain't i ain't my word for the tommy baker you say you see it okay hey oh joe what's i ain't i ain't gonna leave y'all out because it's still a few teams i like the scenarios i've been here yeah him him obviously going to miami i just think it's kind of plug and play he'll look good south beach great weather year round i mean damn you can't be

that for real for real you know what I mean but I did the rumblings I've been hearing about trading for Kyrie him going back to Cleveland with Kyrie hang on a lot kind of like that I like that oh but yeah come back that's a whole different all that's the whole different argument because obviously him and Kyrie works better than him and James Hardin yeah that's what I'm saying I just I like it I like it sound good to me man I want to see it but how how what's the probability what's the likelihood of that Well, I mean, right now it's rumblings, but hell, it's got to come from somewhere.

Yeah. I'm rumbling too. My stomach growling, because I'm hungry. That's a rumbling out here. Hey, you have all these rumblings. You have all these situations that people are speculating that can happen when nobody really knows. Nobody really knows outside of LeBron, Rich Paul, you know, their immediate circle where they know. Yes, for sure.

And me. I already know how they're thinking. I know how LeBron is. He's methodical. He's strategic. He's always two and three steps ahead and everybody else. He has everybody waiting. How many more opportunities in life as a basketball player

isn't going to have these moments where he has the power? He has the ability. He got one to two years. Huh? He got one to two years to play. He's not playing more than two years. Maybe this is his last year. You know, look, he doesn't have very many opportunities.

42 and 43-year-old as a second. the first, second, the third best player on the team. You don't normally win championship with those. Has anybody ever looked, look, Kareem was this old when he played because you got to realize Kareem back then, you didn't come out early. You played. Freshman didn't get an opportunity to play. So Kareem came out of school.

He was already 21, 22. So by the time he plays 20 years, he's 42 years of age. That's the difference. LeBron comes out of high, straight out of high school. He's 18. He turns 19 in December, but he's 18. So that's why he plays 24 at 42. who Kareem played 20 years at 42.

But the likelihood of those guys playing that length of time is not very likely. And Kareem was finals MVP in 1985. Like I said, Kareem doesn't get enough credit. Y'all need to go look at Kareem numbers in the 80 championship. Magic won finals MVP.

But look at Kareem numbers. Go look at Kareem numbers. I don't, I need y'all to see Kareem. Nubb. Y'all like, hold on. And you're probably saying, Imagine one finals of MVP? Yeah, because of that 42, 15, and seven game that had in game six

where he played all five positions, he jumped center. Go back and look at Kareem numbers. Chat, do me a favor. Go look at Kareem numbers in the finals in 1980 against the Sixers. And you tell me the guy that puts up those numbers right now that wouldn't be finals MVP. Go look at 85 because they lost the first game. They got blown out.

They said, it's over for Kareem. He's slow. He owe Boston 148-14 is known as the Memorial Day Massacre. Kareemina, with finals MVP. Hey, you can say what you want. I know we talked to Rich yesterday, and he said that they were in uncharted waters, meaning, you know, he was saying how it's still a blessing

and LeBron still has a chance to kind of pick and choose where he can and can't go or where he can't go. So, man, listen, I think LeBron is going to be, be fueled by this Uncle Ocho, considering the fact that he's going to go somewhere where he at least has a damn chance to win a title. Yes. You know what I mean?

And I'm not saying if he don't win a title, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a free agent. There are a lot of teams that said no, Ocho. People don't realize that, but there are a lot of teams that said no. So at that question and they say, well, you know, nobody wants LeBron. The Thunder don't want him. So why didn't, why didn't, why didn't, uh, um, why didn't, uh, Kansas City? Why didn't, why didn't, why didn't, why didn't Buffalo? Why didn't the other team with top five quarterback? So you said, okay, C don't want him. Look what okay. C got. You say in San Antonio don't

want him. You said, you say all these teams, but Tom Brady went through the exact same thing. Yeah. Tom Brady strategically. He went to a team that what did they have, Ocho? They had two guys that had just come out to Pro Bowl. Defense and a hell of a defense. They had an outstanding defense and two wide receivers that just came out to Pro Bowl that were starting to get into their prime.

They had one piece missing too. The quarterback. Before that season, with the James 30 and 30, if I'm not mistaken. 30 and 30. James threw for 5,000 yards. All he had to do was not turn the ball over. They knew if they got somebody, that could take care of the football,

they had a team that could get to and win the Super Bowl. And that's what Tom Brady brought him. Besides the credibility factor, he brought the ability to take care of the football. It's hard to win a championship when you turn the football over. I don't give a damn how good you are offensively or how good you are defensively. You turn that ball over, you will get your ass beat.

Every time. It's the same thing. Joe, San Antonio. What cost them games? Turnovers late in games. That's what cost them. The costly turnover, you got the ball, you're up one, and all of a sudden you pass the ball and what you call them,

and Castle's not looking. They get the ball you file a Brunson. You turn the ball over. You can't do that. But the mere fact, it's hard for me to look, do I believe there's some teams that would take LeBron just to sell tickets? Yes. But he knows that's the only reason.

You don't want to, at this point, you'll get, at this point, LeBron James has been playing for championships probably since about year five. Yeah. So now, here I am going to, so for the last 19 years, for the last 18 years,

I've been playing for a championship. Now you want this to be my last year or one of my last year, and you say, you know what, don't worry about a championship. Make it make sense. You think Tom Brady was going to go somewhere that didn't give him a chance to championship?

The same thing with Peyton Manning. There are a lot of teams that didn't want Peyton. Make out the hell of him, bro. You coming out of this serious injury, you missed the last year. Payton couldn't throw them all 10 yards. We didn't want to go to all 10 yards.

Asked me, tell you. But guess what he went to Denver? Guess what Denver had, Ocho? An outstanding defense and some young one receivers. Crazy. Demarius Thomas, rest your soul. Julius Thomas tied in. They had Eric Decker wide receiver.

They had Brandon Stokely, Sloply. machine. They had no Sean Marino running back. They get Vasquez. They had an office of time. They have Ryan Clay did office tackle. One of the best tackles. He's coming out of an injury. One of the best tackles in the game. And then you have a young Vaughn Miller. And then John just started putting pieces. Now he goes out and get a key. They drafted Bradley Roeby. They get TJ. You know what? A Dallas say, man, we don't need you no more to Marcus. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Johnson. We need you. Come on over here. Now you got DeMarcus on one side.

You got Vaughn on the other. Other side. You drive Malik Jackson. You drive DeWolf. You got Trayton and Marshall. Okay. Oh, boy. Oh, Nellet.

You got to get a quarterback. We don't need much. Yeah. We don't need much. Look, there is no guarantee. Look, you see guys late in their career. You look at, I mean, Peyton came one year. He led the league in touchdown pass.

The next year league and touchdown passes was an MVP. Tom goes, first year there, win the Super Bowl out in the box. Throws for 5,000, one of the three or four best passing game, fourth or fifth most passing yards, and NFL history. Ain't no guarantee. Everybody wants to go out on top.

Man, it ain't no guarantee. Ain't no guarantee. Everybody wants a Michael Strayhand. Everybody wants a John Elway. Everybody wants a Peyton Manning. Everybody wants to Jerome Bellas. Jerome Betters, last game was in Detroit. Where is Jerome Bettis from?

Detroit. They parked the bus. They parked the bus in the garage. Okay, you're home now, son. Get off. It don't work like that. But every story that you got a stray hand or L.A. or a Peyton or Jerome Betters,

a lot of times. Look, that's Hollywood. See, Hollywood, you can control it because you can write a script that has a for happy ever after. It'll be in. not in pro sports not in pro sports but I do think

I think Brian he'll definitely get to go out on his own terms or okay even though you know he's playing up in his 40s he won't be a guy who'll be sitting around you know trying to see if he's going to be able to play his last some odd year he probably going to play another

he probably going to play two more years I give him two more years on you give him 24 25 yeah I give him to 25 Well, he ain't got no choice but to play for minimum. I mean, I just can't. I know he's valuable, but I can't play a 42 year. I just can't, Joe.

I can't pay a 42-year-old, 40 million, 50 million. And that's what's going to drive him to greatness again. You know what I mean? Because he knows and understands he's against all odds. He knows everybody has counting him out. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like this, he's still, I think that's probably one of the most interesting things

about him because they stay is motivated throughout this whole entire career, bro. He's over, he's over exceeded expectations and he's still, this man got all the points in the damn world, and he's still out here, you know, just adding to it. Like for me, for a guy to continue to go that long,

bro, you have to love and enjoy what you do. You have to love the game. And you love... Look at Tom. He's still... He never forgot. I'm a sixth-round draft pick. all these quarterbacks, the Spurgeon wins

and all these guys that they took before me. Bro, how could y'all do that? So I'm going to make y'all pay. He still felt, even after the Super Bowls, he still felt that he didn't get the credit and the respect that he deserved. So guess what?

I'm going to keep playing. I'm going to keep playing. I'm going to keep playing. And I'm going to beat you. LeBron came in, hyped. I think it's harder for what LeBron did. Look, and, But I'm saying I'm not saying when.

I'm just saying the career. Because when you come in as a six-round draft pick, Ocho, there ain't no expectations. Right. You're basically you a camp body. You there, so the starting quarterbacks, the first and second street quarterback, Ocho, don't throw out their arms.

That's why they got you there. That's what your job builds, Ocho, Joe. So the Stu started, the guy that you're going into the season with, they don't blow out their arms. So we need, that's why they bring five, six quarterbacks in there. So your quarterbacks don't throw out their arms. when you're the number one overall draft pick and you're on the cover of Sports Illustrator

as a 17 year old and they got chosen one it's like Gretzky when they called him the great one. Do you know how much pressure when they call you the great one? Hey, hey, and the ones who... When they say this man, Air. Now, he was the third rapper, but they don't start giving the man,

they're just like Air Jordan. Now all of a sudden you got one name. Kobe, Mike, Shaq, Braun, Steb. KD. He got Nishol. Manning, Brady. Bro.

Ocho. Did you get to that level? Huh? Ocho, yeah. Ocho. That what is Ocho? Not Ocho single, just Ocho? Yeah, the five, yeah, the five gone.

Your ladies call you Chad, don't they? You know, you know what's funny? Huh? Yeah, she said Chad. Every way I go, everybody say Ocho. They only do. say the five. I ain't heard Chad from nobody else in a very long time. I don't. Just your lady called you, just called it Chad. Chad. Hey, call me Ocho. And so even my kids, my kids, they say

Ocho. Your kids call you Ocho? Yeah, they either say dad or say Ocho. Hell now. My kids. Hold on. Hey, they say dad when they're for the ask for money. Oh, yeah, Daddy, Daddy. Daily. Regular conversation, they say Ocho. No, my two younger kids called me dad. My oldest called me daddy. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, yeah, yeah, they better not call me by my damn name.

That would disrespect when I were coming up. Oh, no. Well, you could, but I had some, I had some cousins that called their parents by their first name. Oh, no, sir. Man, my grandfather, but you, my grand, boy, I couldn't imagine calling my mama Mary. Oh, no. No. I couldn't imagine.

I couldn't imagine calling me. by bad please. No, my kid called me dad. Absolutely not. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, sir.

That's a whole different, but you couldn't be disrespectful to your parents in front of all the other older elderly people. Right. They would check you if your parents didn't. Yeah. But, I, we, hey, as y'all heard my brother talk, that would, Barty Porter wasn't going for that.

Yeah. Hey, hey, man, that dude would hurt somebody. For real. Hey, Ojo. Yo. I'm dad at all my kid because here,

they always want something. Hey, hey, my little foyo, he coming out here. Hey, Daddy, can you give me some more Roblox?

I need some. Oh, my goodness. George on the Roblox, too? Oh, Joe, he made me play it with him, too, bro. Hey, man,

a little French fry. A little French fry and the Roblox? Y'all, man. Boy, listen. Hey. She didn't make me play with her

because she got so, many sisters that can play. But a roadblocks, I don't, ain't no telling how much I'd have been on roadblocks. Man, okay, Ocho, my grown ass, I'll be playing roadblocks. I had my microphone on one day. You know, it ain't nothing but a little bit of kids, five, six, seven years old. Yeah. And they can hear me talking.

They was like, oh, a grown man is in here. I was like, oh, my mind. I forgot. I'm, yeah. Hey, hey, hey. Hey. Yeah, my little one boy, he's going to make me, because he's, he's, Say, dad, where's your iPad?

Come on, join me, join me, join me. God. Hey, if you want to make a lot of money, find something that kids like. Because guess what? If the kids like it, guess what the parents got to do? Take them or buy it for them.

And normally, like an animation. That's why animation does so well. So not long the kids go, what? The parents got to go with them. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because they got the damn, the new minions just came out, man. Yeah, we got to go see that.

Hey, it came out July 1st. Oh, man. Minions, a toy story. What the Rock movie, the Rock movie is out? Yeah. Oh, man, some good days, boy. Hey, I wouldn't change it for the one.

Moana, yes, the rock movie. Yeah. They got a new one? Yes. Yeah, we want to see. Hey, man, I love some animation. I used to be animation by myself. Yeah.

Hey, hey, me too. That's why I don't mind going. on hell I can't wait. Hey, I go sit there by my, I'll be in there by myself. I go like at two o'clock on a Wednesday. Yeah. All right, I tell you what. You got to be careful, you had a big grown-ass man sitting in the movie

with a bunch of kids, people think you're purred. Yeah. I go, I go with that little badass in school. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to be talking the whole time. Yeah. You got to watch the movie.

You got to watch the movie. Yeah. They're doing that damn movie. They're free. They're thinking about that damn movie. I'm thinking about that damn movie. Whenever Shrek come out, Joe. Yeah.

I'm talking about the first Shrek, the second and the third. I'm first winning line. Oh, yeah. First one in line. They need to do a donkey. They need to do a donkey. A pussy and boost was funny, boy.

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Yes. Lord Farquhar. Man, I thought Lord Farquhar was tall in hell. He hopped off that horse. According to Stefan Bondi, the heat are an option to sign Russell Westbrook, but only if LeBron doesn't come to Miami.

Ocho, how do you feel about Russ being your second option if you don't sign Bron Bron. I mean, listen, Russell Westbrook, as a spark, probably, I'm assuming coming off the bench will be great as energy. Obviously, it is infectious. It would be good for the heat culture. He exemplifies it just what that culture is all about, working hard, playing hard, putting your hard hat, putting your construction hat on and going at it every day and giving

to everything you have. He has that. that is someone that he's always been and he was fit well in that culture i i love westbrook's work ethic uncle ocho i just don't know honestly because if brine don't go there then you're going to get a whole heavy dose of yonis handling the basketball with bam yep and i just don't see i mean obviously i think westbrook could fit because he plays hard he takes the game series he's a Hall of Famer. I mean, he's a hell of a player. But playing off ball is the biggest thing that concerns me, man. I'll be honest with you. You know what I mean? I know he's going to play the

right way. He's going to be a high-siz guy. He's going to take care of the ball. But I don't think, I think, you know how it is like some guys playing with Bronn is tough for them to play with Bron. I think that's the same way with Yonis. I think it's going to, I think it's some challenges that they don't make the ball so damn much. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think it's some challenges that's going to come with playing with Yonnas, too. And it ain't going to be as easy and smooth transition if you ain't no good catching shoe guy. You know what I'm saying?

I know Westbrook can make a damn shot, but they ain't his forte. His forte is having that ball, getting down here, running pick and roll, making plays. And I don't know what that's going to look like. I agree, Joe.

That's why Kyle Corby had success. Mike Miller had success. Ray Allen had success. You look at Ray Allen is Ray Allen. Ray Allen is a Hall of Famer, whether he played with the Bronner or not. but at that point at that point of his career he was more of a shooter Ray used to handle the ball when he was in Milwaukee when he was in Seattle

y'all would go back and check Ray stats y'all look at him and talk about oh just what he did Ray played both ends of the court Ray Allen was like that hey hey Ray was in that classic 96 draft class where AI Stefan Marbury and cove and all those guys yeah he uh he is one of those guys I enjoy watching coming up as a youngster bro and then competing against him, Uncle Ocho. I'm talking about I competed against him when he was in Milwaukee, when he was cold-blooded. But when he got to Seattle and when I was in Phoenix

and we were the number one team that year, they were the number two team in the West day year. Ray was averaging 26, 27 a night. I'm talking about getting good money every night, Ocho. You knew what you were going to get from him. Right, right. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, Ray was that boy now.

Yeah. I think sometimes, Joe, sometimes a lot of people, see the tail end of somebody's career. And I think it's the same thing with Barclay. I think a lot of people's looking at Barclay, like, man, he's 14 points in leverage. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Y'all better go back and look at Barkley, Barclay career when he was in Philly, when he was in Phoenix. In Phoenix, yeah. Go back and look at the career. Now, Barclay's like 22 and 11. At 6'4, there'll never be another 6'4 guy

lead to league in rebounding, ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. And I don't like saying ever because that, but there'll never be another six four. Think about it. That's the,

he'd hide an ant man and he led the league and rebounding. When they had a king, they had, they had big bigs. You know what? Kareen, Shaq, not Kareem, I mean, Kareen, Patrick Ewan, Hakeem Elijah won.

They had big, you know back there in the 80s, Joe, everybody had bigs. Big, big, big. McHale, Parrish, everybody had those guys. Hey, but the difference is, it's not only the talent, but it was the way Barclay approached the game, Uncle Ocho, like he didn't give a damn, bro.

Like, that man were trying to, you know what I mean? Like, he just ain't got, he ain't had no love for you, you know, when you got out there, bro. Like, he wanted to, he was going to compete at the highest level, and he wanted to win, he wanted to dominate, and he wanted to do it in dramatic fashion, bro. You ain't gonna see that no more. The game has changed.

You can see no damn six four, six, five dude dominating up under the goal like that. Hell, Zion probably be the closest thing to that. Absolutely. How tall is Zion? Like Barkley height. They got Barkley listening to Six Sixth. Barclay no damn six six. Yeah. Zaya probably about, Zahen about six six though.

Yeah. He's six six. I'm talking about a dog. Yeah, but he was a, Barkler was, Barkler was an animal. And you got to think about, look at what he's competing against. He playing getting real big, boy.

Yes. Yeah. I'm talking about big, bigs. I mean, he's going up against C Webb. He going up against, I mean, real powerful, Kevin McHale, call him alone, 6, 8, 610. Big boys. Yeah, everybody, everybody played four to five back then, Ocho.

Everybody played the four to five. It wasn't no stretch there. and small, what, no lineup of death. Everybody had a big. And when you take one big out, you brought another one big in. Hello. You took his ass out, you brought another big in.

Hello. You just keep coming big, big, you play big with a bigger. Barkling was an animal. And I think, like I said, people that got used to, they see him talk because most people, more people saw him talk inside the NBA on TNT, now on ESPN.

And they're like, he'd do all this talking. He was, okay, he wasn't. that good. Hello. Oh, yes, he was. They tripping. Now, he was a monster. He was a dog. He was talking about a dog. He's the top 50 player. He's the top he's the top 75 player. He'll be a top 100 player. He'll be a top 125 player. What 50? He'll always be a top player. I don't give a damn who comes alone. You're talking about, hey, a y'all. Y'all talking about that football, the intimidator factor, the intimidation factor that you bring. You're trying to intimidate. You're trying to move a man. Yeah. That's that's how Barkley played, bro.

That he is. That intimidation factor. Yeah, that's how he played. Yeah. I was saying you were trying to yell out of somebody. Remember when him and Shaq got out of it? Uh-huh. Yeah.

And he hit Shaq in the head with the ball. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that was funny. Oh, dealing with Charles Oakley? Oh, yeah. Hey, you know, that was those.

Xavier McDaniel? Boy, they had some headhunters back then. Yeah. Hey, them ninjas fight at the drop of a hat. What? You filed me too hard then. They were just looking for a reason. But that was a regular file.

Ah, now you filed me too hard. You had to put your sense up back then, boy. Oh yeah, they knocked hell out you. Oh, yeah. They didn't do a whole, it wasn't a whole lot of talking. It wasn't no talking back then, man. It was a weird. I got to get a grip on this.

Yeah. And it was even worse than the 70s. And we were there. Maurice Lucas and Kerbett, Washington, they had real, real enforcers back then. And then it just picked up in the 80s where they had ex-man, they had Oak, Barclay was his own enforcer,

Carl Malone. Oh yeah, man, they had, Kevin McHale, hey, don't sleep on Danny Ains. Danny Aynne, we filed a hell of our people. Yeah, yeah. Man, you remember he threw the ball? Who he hit in the face with that basketball? Mario Ellen.

Joe, you remember he threw the ball and hit Mario Elling, part blank? Who is this? Danny Aange. When they, they play. against him in the playoffs? Yes, he took the ball out and threw, I'm talking about, he from me,

he was from me to this, this tell him, this monitor. Yeah. And hit him in the ball, hit him in the face with the ball. As hard as he could, I'm talking, he ran back like, chat, y'all remember that? Dennis Rodman. I mean, they had, boy, look at the bad boy, Pierce's with Rodman and Sal and Lambert and Rick Mahorn.

Man, you know, I played with Dan Marley, like his last two years in the NBA. Did you? Yeah, in Phoenix, in Phoenix, boy, they love my damn Phoenix. Yeah, but y'all better go look at that and they're talking about here they mean to do that. Boy, I'd still be with it on Danny and J.

J.N. Yeah, y'all pull that up, go look at that on, Joe, pull that up right quick. That man did that on purpose. I know, it was different back then, bro. Nah, it sure would have been different. Yeah, ha ha ha ha ha ha. Man, look here.

Tim Hardaway Senior, say he's he has an issue. issue with players podcasting during the NBA season. During the season like Draymond, I don't agree with. It's all right to them, but I feel like you're disrespecting these other teams. You're talking about these teams, you know, and Adam Silver, just let it go. David Stern would have said, hell no, we're not doing that. If you talked about a team in the media, like I say, their trade or something like that, you would have gotten fined by David Stern.

He would have fined you. You don't talk about anybody, nobody else's team. You talk about your team, your organization, that's it. Josh Hart trolled him to tell him, I agree. Joe, do you agree with Tim Hardaway Senior that they should not be, you know, having podcasts during the season? Man, I can't sit here and say whether you should or shouldn't. Oh, Joe, if you're a competitor, if you're competing,

if you're playing a professional sport. I guess it's all about how you handle it. You know what I mean? You know, I mean, you got some guys. See, here's the thing. It's like if you piding and you playing well, all everything, all fine and dandy. Correct.

But hell, if you pard and y'all getting y'all breaks blew out of your damn game, man, please. The folk are going to be looking at you crazy. Yes. And that's how I go. And then when you win, your podcast is weekly. All of a sudden you go on a loser street and they don't see your ass for a month straight.

Then what happened? Because people want consistency. Their favorite show came on what? Once a week. That's what you knew, you knew the Severnison, the Jefferson Good Time. You knew whatever your favorite show is, whether it's friends or everybody loves Raymond

or two and a half men, whatever the case may be. I'm just giving you an example. Your favorite sitcom, you knew it was coming on. That's what people like. Yeah. But when things are going good, you averaging this and you, y'all winning, you up there, yeah, yeah, y'all, whoop, and then all of a sudden, y'all go a cold spatch and all of a sudden, podcast, where the podcast?

Yeah. Hey, hey, consistency is the key. Me, I, I don't, I wouldn't, because I already know how I am. I don't be, I don't be a, I don't be able to say something that I probably shouldn't say. So, I was going to, I was going to catch you. I'm going to catch you at the game. because you know, you know, them wins and losses, Uncle Ocho, they hate you so damn emotional, bro.

Yes. You know, I'm saying from a win, you can be emotional and from a loss, you know, it can have you to wear here. You don't even want no damn body to be around you. I don't know about child, but I should be like that sometime, man. You already know how I am, Joe. Yeah. I ain't no secret.

I ain't an easy, mofo to get a long win when we win it. Right. I'm insufferable. I'm intolerable when we lose. Yeah. Oh, man. All that workout I'm put in, and we lose it? And you know, Ocho, I don't know how it was,

but you Joe, how it is in basketball. You know when you losing, Ocho, everything is the problem. Man, get off your helmet. I was sitting on my helmet when we won seven games in a row. That wasn't the reason we was winning when I was sitting on my helmet. Now that's the reason we losing.

Man, clean up this damn locker room. The locker room was dirty when we were winning. Everything, everything. Put your mild piece in. I don't even play one of a mile piece if you were talking about putting a mile piece. mile piece here oh yeah yeah everything everything is the reason why you lose it joe everything is magnified when you lose and hey tuck your damn shirt in when you're going in the game damn they were

hanging out last game yeah yeah i get it bro you know how it is and that's why you got a that's why you kind of got to you know you kind of got to walk there straight and narrow bro even when you win and lose and that's why i'm gonna be honest with y'all that's why i always kept an even kill because I never wanted to show my emotions. Even when I was pissed off, you know, I should have to restrain myself and control my emotions. I always was that kind of guy.

And even when I was at my peak, where I was playing well, we winning. Bro, I just, I always kept an even kid because I understood if it was going great, how bad it could be. Yeah. You know, I went from, I came from Phoenix. We had won 62, 63 games a year.

Coming to Atlanta, bro, we won 29 games. Okay, Ocho. We started off three in like 28. Like, bro, you are, look, if you start the season off like that, you were already out the damn playoff pitcher. Damn, what the hell we're playing for? But we still getting our damn check on the first and 15 here. Hey, Joe, ain't like you're about to go 29 and 3.

Come on, man, keep it 100. Damn, we ain't going to be in the postseason here. We know that before Thanksgiving got here here. Damn. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. Look, I was, I'm a cleanly person. I hate to see a locker room.

Ocho, how to do you right here? You write me from me to this monitor chat. And you throw your job, you throw your clothes. Man, put the thing in the bag, man. Damn. Why y'all, bro? And the dude will be right there. He right to his locker right next to the laundry hamper.

And he throws it on the floor. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, man. Come on. I know y'all. And then y'all, hey, Sean, you want to come over to? No, your house dirty.

I already know. If your locker dirty, your house dirty. I said, boy, I wouldn't eat at your house if I was a hostage. Starved me out. I don't know. Yeah. But I used to, man, it used to be baby. So I was like, hold on, bro.

How is the reason why we lose it? None of the things that we're doing was the reason why we winning. Right. These are the reason why it was because we're executing. Yeah. That's why you said, hey, look at this play right here. Look at the hustle play. All of a sudden, we're losing.

We don't have the same hustle. We don't have the same attention. the detail we're turning the ball over at a high clip than what we were when we were winning it ain't that complicated you really not yeah i'm insuperable i you know hey now when guys we started losing the guys ain't taking it serious they're dropping past they're not playing attention to the detail bro that ain't what you're supposed to be doing right what that card say now see when i come up here on tuesday and you got you a you a a shaw hey man i see you around you dabbing me up cutting your ass up out of here and you were talking about they did your own.

But you ain't doing what the car said. The car said you're supposed to be in the flat. The car said you're supposed to be in the hook. The car said you're supposed to carry up the scene, but you're doing your own thing. Okay. Now when I come up here to work out on Tuesday and you got your bag, you got your bag, that hefty bag on your throat across the shoulder. You don't be mad.

Don't be mad. Understand it. Hey, man, Shai, Sha'all, I see you around. No, you won't. No, you won't. Because what I tried to tell you, you ain't want to listen to me. Yeah.

I'm just trying to tell you keep, you try to keep, hey, as long as you can stay on the team, the better chances are you're going to get an opportunity to play, Ojo.

You can't play for a team if you're not on one. Yeah. Now, you can go back and tell your home boys and everybody that they screwed over you, but you're not going to really tell them. Because they ask, man,

what was like, hey, hey, here, hey, I got a little couple of clips, practice clips. Take a look at this. They tape don't lie. Hey, they tape don't lie. No.

I'm telling like Bill Davis, Bill Davis say, look, hey, I'm going to have to cut a lot of y'all. He said, I know what you're going to do. You're going to go home and tell your parents, Coach Eft over me. And when you come, they come in here, I'm going to pop the tape in. I will say, see, he effing over me. That ain't what he's supposed to be doing. But you know how.

Oh Cho, you got the homeboy and you go back and they ask you, hey, hey, Ocho, tell him what your boy good, Ocho. What your boy? What your boy like that, Ocho? Joe, tell him your boy. Tell me your boy could have went to college like you. Sure, he could have went to college like me. He could have been in the league just like me. Hey, ain't, ain't no sense of Ocho.

Ain't no sense to me. Yeah, you're right. Hey, man, he was good now. He was good. Some of them, yeah, they were good. Some of them, bro, stop. Bro, stop. Bro, you quit school in the third grade.

how the hell you go. I don't know what you could have been. Hey, everybody got a story. Hey, we come by on the bus and you're shooting marbles in the yard. How the hell you're going to go to high school? You're shooting marbles in the yard in the fourth grade. Yeah, yeah.

I'm on the bus. But you know what? Now we 30, 35 years of age, Joe. Let them have a moment. You're right. Yeah. You're right. Yeah.

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say that about him, that's not cool. Bam handled it the right way he thought was best for him. I was disappointed in Tyler, too. I didn't like what he said about Bam and how he said it. Joe, they had a thing that asked, who do you think on the Heat team would have your back? Tyler Hero said, bam.

So why he say that about him then? Hey, listen. Don't start, look, I don't start me lying, Joe. Two things can be true, huh? If asked that question, the one person you want had your back, obviously anybody planning for the heat, you would say bam. But then also, he can

also feel that way about bam when he said what he said in the DM. Yes. But you, hey, ain't no way if somebody, you think somebody going to have your back on your, you're going to talk about him like that now. Right. Because guess what? You said that before you, now had you said,

had you said, hey, X, Y, and Z, you probably wouldn't say, but here's the thing. He probably didn't think that nothing was going to come of it. I don't know why, Joe, I don't know why certain teams

favor certain players. That's just the way it is. Tyler, he wrote makes it seem like he don't know how sports work, Joe. Some teams favor some players over others. It's okay.

Some parents favor some kids over others. It's okay. They talk about I love all my kids. No, you don't. You don't love them all the same. You stop. You should love them all the same.

but you damn sure don't treat them all the same. Right. And kids, no. Hey, hey. It's really that simple. Yeah, yeah. I don't know anything about Tyler's hero. Senior is down there.

He probably knows he's probably have intimate knowledge, more intimate knowledge than what we have. So I got to take, I don't know. I don't know anything about it. I know obviously what the heat culture is. You play hard, you do what you're supposed to do. We play with the ball game. you play the right way.

So I get that. I just thought Pat Riley was just fed up because every year he hurt. At some point in time, during the season, Joe, he hurt. Yeah, he hurt, but I think he still had a little value too, Ocho. That's why they traded him to get done. Yeah, that's why you're able to get rid of them.

You know, they, hey, look, you talk about guys being traded, but you have to have somebody else who wants you for you to be traded. You know what I mean? So I think he had a little. of value to him but I did I'm I'm which I'm with you man I'm with I'm with I'm with Tim Hardaway senior bro I don't like I don't like when guys go to different team road then they start talking about the team the last guys on the other team man leave that long boy new chapter homie move on but let it go

let it go because look could you see you see what happened you start sending these shots hey you ain't hard to find partner Hey, you see what happened? Hey, Ocho, you see what happened when you throw a shot out there? Yeah. You vulnerable for what? A shot coming back.

Hello. Yes, sir. Literally. He threw a shot figuratively. Bam threw one literally. Look, over the last five or six years, when they talk about trading players, the one name that's never,

that's ever, that's untouchable, have been who? Bam. Bam, yeah. Bro, they had a chance to get James Harden, but they wouldn't give up Tyler Hero. Hell, I gave up Guitar Hero, Tyler Hero, Old Hero, any other hero to get James Hardin. They still might have a chance to get him, though.

They still might. But you have to understand, bro. Hey, six, nine guys that can play both ends of the court, they don't grow on trees. What? That's unselfish that plays the right way. they don't grow on trees can defend play both ends

of the courts yeah yeah absolutely right mind his own business Pat Riley and Mick Erison I think it's a son named Nick Ocho you would know better than me they ain't worried about Bam being in the blotter they ain't worried about bam being out of the club

they ain't about bam doing none of that hello hello so and I'm not saying so I don't want chat because y'all y'all are trying to twist it I'm not saying Tyler a hero was doing anything of that sort.

I'm just saying that when they put that, when Bam was in order to captain, he's to carry this. Because you've got to have somebody to carry. I think the problem was that they had in New England on the key culture. Even though Mayo was there, who could carry that? They say, you know what?

Let's bring a guy in that was a part of that, that was really, really entrenched. You see what they got back to, Mike Brable? You see how they play? You see how they do things? Even when Stefan Diggs had that situation on the boat, let me hollage you right quick, young buck. I'm a hollage the boy right quick.

Yeah. Hey, step into my office. He said, coach, I thought your office was upstairs. He said, nah, I moved it over here. Holly Berkeley. That is what we do here. Yeah. We play football here.

Now, that's not what you want to do. We can make that happen too. But when you hear, is football all the time. That's your life. So what are you? You a model? You're a fashion influencer?

Or you're a football player? Now, if we take football away, which one you think you're going to be? A lot of times, guys, people forget the main thing is the main thing. Hello. Hello. You can never forget.

Oh, I do podcast. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. How many people, if you weren't in the NBA, if you weren't in the NFL, how many people you think are going to be watching? You gotta keep the main thing, the main thing. Don't lose sight of that, guys. I understand you wanna have a life.

Some teams will allow you to have a life. New England ain't one of those places. Yeah, no, hey. You're here to play. Oh, Joe, you know first hand. Hey, absolutely. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, your ass here to play ball.

We ain't trying to- Yeah. Yeah. That's I was with Mike Shanahan. You know why you were there. And, hey, leave your ego at home. They said, but check your ego at the door. Nah, because guess what? When I turn and leave, you might go back and get the ego

if it's at the door. Nah, leave that thing at home. Hey, but that's kind of what the game coming down to, Okay, Ocho. You know, all these players, especially top guys, you know, the main guys, the star players, the megastars. Man, they all got a platform, bro. Yeah.

It's not a little different hell. It's a lot different, hell, just from 10 years ago. Joe, you make it $60,70 million and they say, you know what? Hey, I want you to just focus on this right here. I don't think it's that hard. That's me, that's just me personally. And maybe because I took the, you took the game a lot like I took the game, Ocho, Ocho will be Ocho.

You can't pay Ocho enough not to be Ocho. So you already know, he's going to Acapul. Hey, he gets in his own, you know, Ocho don't celebrate. Okay, you were, I ain't going to celebrate. And soon as he gets close to the E's on. They get him down into one y'all. Like, he think he's going, he's celebrating. So you already know, certain people,

certain people, like Ocho, it ain't about money to Ocho. Ocho, you gotta let him be him. If you don't let him be him, you're not gonna get the best of him. Yeah. So you let him be him, Ocho, as long as you're not hurting the team, take off. He can be Ocho.

He couldn't be Ocho in New England. because they suppressed who he was. Yeah. See, the thing what Ocho is, Ocho is an entertainer first. He's a football player second. He's already thinking about, man, I get into his and said,

I'll be, I got something booed up for y'all. I got some queued up. Y'all don't even know what I'm about to do now. Oh, yeah. But when you take that away from him and you say just focus on football, why can I do,

I've been focusing on football. Just because I'm having a good time doesn't mean I'm not focusing on football. Yeah. He was one of the few that if you let him be him outside of just the exes and nose, you're going to get the best version of him. Yeah. Yeah.

But everybody can't, everybody can't thrive in that system. You've got to buy in 1,000 percent. It's hard. It's hard when you've been a place and they've allowed you to be you for a decade. And then all of a sudden you go there and overnight, I can't be me. It is, bro. I know. It's like going,

I've been eating meat my whole life. Now all of a sudden, you're talking about being vegan. What? Yeah, I'll eat peas, but they better have some fat back in them. They better have some bacon. Yo, I would eat a salad,

but they better have some bacon. They better have some bacon. They better have something on top of meat, some type of meat. Chicken, fish, I need something. Beef, pork, I need something on top of these greens.

Yeah. But you got to, but you got to know, hey, Mike, Mike never, Mike, like, hey,

84 talk all you want to, except the Super Bowl, the first Super Bowl. As long as you don't cost this a penalty, I said, Mike, I can,

hey, Mike, I can get a 15-yard penalty. Go ahead, get it 84. That's what I start by talking. They go grab my face, They're going to shove me.

See? Let me get that joy. No. See, I started talking on joy, Joe. Yeah. Yeah. Burp. Personal foul. Unsporeal, like conduct,

defense. See? See, dumb, dumb. You just caught you. See, dummy. I knew you weren't that smart. I knew you weren't that smart. Hey, you done your job. Huh? Hey, you know what?

If you had brains, you walk backwards. I knew it. I knew it. You know what I said? Joe? Now I got to really get him. Boy, if dynamite was brains, you couldn't even blow your nose. Man, help you, sharp.

Help you. Ah, no, bro, I'm just saying. Why would you do that? But don't worry about it. I show appreciate you to your 15 yards. Now y'all's not fin to get the ball back. Dumb dumb. Hey.

Oh, yeah. Tada. Now I go on off the field. jogging off the field. Don't worry about it. I see you. You can see me right now, right here in front of you. I hope you can see me. I don't know no blind NFL players. You might be the first one.

I know you might be the dumbest one. Because you know what I noticed, Ocho? It's not so much. You know what guys really get mad about? What's that? When you question their ability. Oh, you know you're really not that good, right? You know what I game plan was to go at you?

Because we knew you so. Hey, that'd piss him off, they are. That'd piss him off. Yeah, we knew you suck. Why you think we just run to your side? Oh yeah. You're not that bright, you're gonna get frustrated and you're gonna give us 15 yards.

Oh, yeah, that's gonna piss a guy off. Yeah. Big time. I say, bro, I don't know what's gonna happen, but I don't really see a scenario where you on this team next year. I don't know. I don't see how it's going to work out for you. As a matter of fact, you keep playing like this.

You might not make it the next week. Oh, Joe. That's time to talk you with Tuning them boy. I see, my talk was entertaining. Like, more of a fun way. Unk be going at people's head. I would never like that. Never.

No. I'm holding regular conversation, Joe. Leave me alone. I ain't mind to nobody, Joe. I didn't bother nobody. Maybe a few people I'm bothering, but hey. But then when you try to, you take it, make it personal, how are we gonna make it now?

Yeah. You know, I know a few things. Oh, she. I mean, be laid in the cut. You know, hey, I, I, I, God blessed me with the ability to play football. He bested me with the gift of gal. Oh, yeah.

He gave me those two things. Hey, he didn't give me the most intellect. I had to catch a, but I had to catch up with that. Yeah, yeah. told my brother, I called him, said, man, look here, you can't come back on no more. You give it our information. Ain't nobody asked you all that stuff about me.

Dry snitching ass. As a matter of fact, I'm going to tell Libby. You told some stories. I said from the sounds of it, Libby read the tan to you, what? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Shannon, you ain't got to tell everything. I said, Libby ain't told nothing.

I put it off on Spanke. Spakey put it off on me. But like you said, I was always the littlest one, so, you know, granted, he's just a little fella. It's okay, let me take it with you. My sister eight, my sister, think about it. My sister, 20 years old, why she wanted to take a 12 year old boy with her for?

My brother Dayton, my grandma said, well, you can't, hey, you don't want to take that boy, you ain't going. Guess who with the car with the truck crank up? Guess who's sitting in the passenger seat? You? You make me sick. Then you always want to go somewhere.

You ain't got nothing to do. Hey, bro. Hey, look here. Grady said you got to take me with her. Take it up with Granny. You want me to do it all this. Man, drive the car. Hey, Joe, that was so sick of me.

But you know, I had the powers. I had the powers of Barney and Mary Porter. Yeah. You heard what to say, make him cry if you want to. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The hell to pay. Yeah.

Yeah. And you know, hey, I can cry. around come at. Hey, what's wrong with that boy? Hey, nothing, nothing, Daddy, nothing, Papa. You're something wrong with him, he crying. And he probably had that deep voice too, did he man.

He have, hey. Like a baritone, huh? Yes, yes, deep voice. That's how he talked, hey. Come in the house, we be in the house, we be watching TV, hey, turn, turn the TV to the news. I go turn the TV because it wasn't a remote control

did. I go turn the TV to the news. All my aunts, they go into the other room. My sister go into the other room because we're watching something. He comes to my turn to the news. So we get up and we get up and everybody get up and leave. All right, all right, bring your ass back. Turn it back.

Man, you're able to come in here and do all that. Hey, hey, hey, what y'all had back then? Y'all had like the box. You remember the box, the cable, the actual cable. In the country, you couldn't get cable. Like I said, you got PBS, which was channel nine. You got channel three. You got channel 11 and you got channel 22, ABC, but you could barely get ABC.

But you got NBC, CBS, and there was no Fox back then. And you got channel nine so we could see Sesame Street and stuff like that. You had to work them antennas up there then. Oh, yeah, yeah. But we had the poll outside that you go turn. There is right there. Hold, hold, hold there, right there, right there, right here. You let the pole go, the TV go fuzzy again.

Oh, hold it right there. That's it, right here. Yeah, yeah. I must be like I'm fool for this whole this TV, hold this pole right here. Hell not. Excuse me. Nah, that ain't thing to happen. Yeah.

Free agent, Stefan Diggs, says he's the best wire receiver number two in the NFL and no one is better than him. Name your number two receiver right now, and is he better than me? Oh, Joe? If they're a number two receiver better than, they're a couple. I mean, yeah, it's a couple. Dallas got what?

Whoever you say is one, the other two is better to step on. Cincinnati, whoever you say is one is better than him. Minnesota. The Rams? The Rams. Hold on that.

What he said, have true to it now. Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm just saying that their number two is better than him. Right, right. As you go again, as you go a bit further, and you get a little deeper into some of some of the some of these other teams like he is he would be a bona fide their number two is not better in him and he's right even coming off a COO injury and having a thousand yards and i'm not sure how many touchdowns he has now if they're going to use them you you take their number two and you put him in that place you're still going to get the same production based on what he's able to do hell i think he'd be good in baltimore hell i'm not so sure what you call him is better than him what did i say what did i say he would go Go.

Bemo. Give it a 10. Either Baltimore or the commanders. I'm still standing on that too now. Hell, he'd be good in Cleveland. Hey, you know what? That's a good one. Might be even better.

That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah, I'm curious to hear what the chat has to say, especially outside of Dallas, you know, Dallas, Cincinnati, Minnesota. Rams. Rams. Well, we have,

In Philly, I mean, limited, he's not proven yet, but he will be the number two. I'm trying to think who else. I mean, there's truth to that. Yeah, but the thing is, Joe, Ocho, and we talked about this. Yes. Once you start bouncing around, it's hard for you. That's how people look at you now.

Yeah. They look at him as a journeyman receiver, Ojo. Yeah. Yeah. Joe, you know how it is. Once a player, all of a sudden, you start getting traded. You were involved in the trade And then you involved in the trade

And you involved in the trade You're adjourned me Hey but it's crazy though Because he was a thousand yard receiver last year And I thought he played great for the Patriots bro Yes Like he was reliable and all that How to hear?

Hey, I mean great team leader too Joe Yes I agree I agree with both of you guys But the thing is Is just how they view you now Joe you know hey Think about it He started in Minnesota

He went to Buffalo he goes to Houston. He goes to New England and now this will be his 15. Mm-hmm. How old is Steph now? What you say? 32?

How old is Steph Ash? I think he's probably 32, 33. It got to be. Yeah. You know, it doesn't make any better with all the all-field stuff. You're talking about Detroit Lions. So you try to say he,

oh, so whoever you say is one, so Armand-Rah is one, he better than J-mo? No, no, no, no, no, don't do that. Who said that? And that's my bad for leaving Detroit off that list. Don't do that. No, no.

Let me add them to the part too. Yeah, for sure. Come on, nah. Chicago good. Green Bay good. Hey, them young bulls over there. Yeah. I guess, I guess when you think about it,

he's 32-Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is he going to get picked up? Y'all think you're going to get picked up? Yeah, oh, yeah. Absolutely. I bet it's one of those two teams I just said, Joe Watts. But what, he made $20 million last year?

Those days probably over. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he won't make bet minimum long as they get him some respectable, give him some respectable based on what he's able to come in and do. Dorel Owens doesn't believe there will be any drop-off with A.J. Brown leaving the Eagles. I mean, they've got Devonte Smith. He's always been a number one guy, even when AJ was in.

here. He could have easily been receiver number one at any game. So again, he's going to show leadership. He's going to bring those guys alone. So I don't see any drop-off. Those guys are going to be fine. Ocho, how are you taking this? T.O.'s right. Tio understand these systems.

He understand the difference in the offensive schemes that Philly runs, the office scheme that the Patriots run. Hell, the Patriots throw the ball, what, 100 times more? I mean, obviously, I'm exaggerating with the number saying 100 times more, but they're there, They're throwing offense. You know, if you look at Philly having a running back like Saquan,

you can understand why even in the past and error that the NFL is now, they would be a run first team. You're one of the few teams that have a back that is elite in a tier one running back where the offense flows to run. The run opens up the paths. Over there in New England, they're throwing that thing. Yeah, they throwing it for sure. They let, they're letting it fly.

And he's going to have a much better season, and maybe even a better season than all those combined. Yeah, Philly. I can see that. I can see that. I just think the thing you look, I think some of the things that he did in New England,

I mean, in Philly, he ain't trying that with Brabel. Now, Brable knows him. He knows Brable from their time in Tennessee. So he knows how Brable is. Brable knows how he is, but I can assure you, they're not going to have some of the issues that he had in Philly.

They're not going to have that in New England. Hello. Right. You know, T.O. was very strong in the statement. You and I was talking, and people like, well, AJ was the best receiver. No, AJ won a ring. Congratulations. But even in Philly, he wasn't better than T.O.

No. No. What? He wasn't. And that's not a knock on him. It ain't nobody in Philly ever played but Philly. Hell, ain't nobody in the NFL history is better than T.O. Unless you go into the country.

conversation and want to bring up Randy Moss and Jerry Rice and Jerry Rice is in a class of his own. That's what I said. He's in the class of his own. The three best receivers and I've seen a lot of them. That's the him. For me, if Jerry's number one, a lot of people believe that two and three are the chain of it. Some people got Randy. Some people got T.

But for me, those are the top three. One is unmistakable. Right. 22,000 yards, 1500. catches, 193 receiving touchdowns, another eight on runs. What are we talking? What are we, what, what, what, we're not even having that discussion. Hey, Hey, Hey, uh, and Joe, you know how we talked about.

I forgot what we were talking about. You watch hockey up close. You watch tennis up close and how different, how different it is at, at the highest level. Joe, I had the opportunity. man, not only play with Tio, but to watch him up close when we had to play against him. He was with Dallas. Yeah. Well, young bull, he was something special, man.

He was like that. Man, man, Joe, man, listen, man. He was something special, man. I found myself on the sideline as a fan watching a friend of mine and got a better understanding on why he was as great as he was. He was a monster. Saw Randy in person up close, Joe. So did I.

Jesus Christ. Joe, I ain't never seen nothing like that. Yeah. I ain't never seen nothing like that. The DV playing seven yards off. The DV in his back pedal. Randy take three steps and throw his hand up. You ain't even broke the cushion yet.

Can you get, can you step on the toes first? Man, Randy come out of the ball, man. He hit by four, you know, by three steps. you know, Randy three steps, he damn there, eight, eight, eight, nine yards. Absolutely, absolutely. And he's going to hand up. And if the DB is still in his back pedal,

by the time he get gone, like that fourth or fifth step, and the DB says his back pedal trying to be pretty, man strike at the band. Mm. Better be in a full out sprint already running backwards before he closed that cushion. If you're not, man, it's old. And T.O., you throw heat or hitched route,

you're not getting him down. You better have the Calvary. coming. You're not getting him down. He ran angry, every plate. And he's shifty with it too. You notice how big Tio was.

He was a little shifty in the opening. Yeah. And look, he rubbed people the wrong way. And look, he rubbed people the wrong way, but I love this game. I never questioned Tio. Tio going to block.

Tio going to do what he's supposed to do. Yeah, I got to get all the antics and they try to make it team, you know, make it seem like it, When they won, he didn't have play a role, but when they lost, it was because of his antics. I ain't by none of that bull, giant. I ain't by none of it.

For me, until somebody else come along, the three greatest receivers that I've ever seen, and I've seen a bunch of them. Jerry, I mean, look, so we just start, forget one. Let's just start, go two on. Yeah. We can forget, we can forget number one. 1500 catches.

The man had a thousand yard receiving Joe at 40. you know who got the second most receiving yards as a 40 year old? Oh, Tom Brady. What? Tom Brady got the second most receiving yards for a 40 year old.

You know, it's hard, it's hard to play that long, Joe. Hey, the organization, they got to love you, boy. Damn. Jerry had 100 yard game at 42. Hear me. Yeah, you'll be, you're going to go, look at you. Yeah.

Hey. And they went throwing. of all you better go look at jerry numbers uh