Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 2: Falcons HIRE Kevin Stefnaski as their new Head Coach + Packers KEEP Matt LeFleur as head coach + The RIP Red Carpet BTS

Episode Date: January 18, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Atlanta Falcons hiring Kevin Stefanski as their new head coach, Unc and Ocho talk about behind the scenes of the premiere of the Ri...p on Netflix with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Falcons sign Kevin Stefanski as head coach 5:00 - Matt LaFleur, Packers agree to multiyear contract extension14:15 - Nightcap in NYC: The Rip23:48 - Play or Fade with PrizePicks26:56 - Q & Aaayyy (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:40 The two-time NFL coach of the year flew to Atlanta today. And now they're still under the head coaching job. Now, I read that he invited him over to his home for dinner and he was going to have, you know, a steak and potato bar. But it's been reported that Mr. Blank cooked a real. by himself. He said, reiterated Matt Ryan will be leading interviews
Starting point is 00:02:03 for the team's head coach and general managers open. Both Matt Ryan and Kevin Stefansky have Philly ties. Ryan grew up in the Philly suburb and attended William Penn Charter before starting at Boston College. Stafansky is a Philly native
Starting point is 00:02:15 who played at St. Joseph Prep and stayed home for college at Penn. Question. Obviously, you drafted a quarterback two years ago, with the number eighth over pick Michael Penix Jr. And you have first cousins, Kirk Cousins, still in the roster,
Starting point is 00:02:35 although that he might be transitioning to get that Matt Ryan role at CVS as an analyst at the desk. Do you believe Kevin Stafaski is the right guy? Because at the end of the day, anybody could coach this team, but for Michael Pierce Jr. Because I think that is the key. Yes.
Starting point is 00:02:56 Hey, that's tough. That's tough. I'm not sure based on what I've seen. I know at one point, Kevin Spanskiy was two-time coach in the year. I think if the quarterback position is solidified and he can do something with Michael Pettings Jr. If he feels Michael Pettig Jr. is the future,
Starting point is 00:03:17 which he has to be being a draft, you know. So if he come back healthy, but I know he's going to want some security, he's going to need a security blanket because Michael Pitting Jr. is injury prone. So I'm not sure what that looks like. I don't think they're going to allow Kirk Cuddin's to leave because he will at some point if things don't go the way they should.
Starting point is 00:03:39 He will be that backup in that security bank of first to Fasdowski. Because if you don't have a quarterback, if you don't have a quarterback, he's going to be right back in the same situation he was back in Cleveland. I agree. Now, he does have a much better supporting cast offensively. He has a much better supporting cast defensively. So I think they will.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Well, no, not much better. Let me take that back. Defensively in Cleveland, he had a much better defense. But offensively, he has so many weapons at his disposal to work with. I think he's going to, I think he's going to be okay. Do we anticipate Stafaski calling plays? Because remember, he gave up the play calling at mid-season and turned those duties over to someone else.
Starting point is 00:04:21 I'm assuming that he's going to call the plays. I think that probably was probably one of the contingents, the plans of why he got the job is that you call the plays. He's an offense in mind. They need to get that offense. I don't know who they're going to hire his defense. I'm sure there are some great coordinators out there. You can find a great coordinator,
Starting point is 00:04:48 but head coach is a little bit more difficult, especially if your expertise is going to be an offensive. well head coach is a little more difficult because you have more things to worry about you got to worry about the totality of the team as a coordinator all I'm worried about is the defense I ain't got to worry about special teams I ain't worried about no offensive line I'm as a matter of fact I got position coach to have everything I'm just going to die I'm just going to call a this is what we're doing right we're going to teach him best for you go ahead do you think he wants to take on that role why not just be the overseer of defense offense special teams as well and have an offensive coordinator that is also an offensive mind and allow him to do everything so you can just be the head coach and oversee everything. You probably told Matt Ryan and Mr.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Blank that you were going to call plays. That's one of the reasons you probably got the job. Right. And, oh, I can fix it. I can get him up his feed, blah, blah. You see what I did with Baker Mayfield, you saw that, hey, Joe Flacko, we were in a playout with Joe Flackle.
Starting point is 00:05:54 Yeah. So Atlanta, so two jobs have been filled. The New York Giants hire John Harbaugh, the Atlanta Falcons, hire Kevin Stapaski. Well, you know, Harbaugh hadn't signed his deal yet. They're still working on something. Or he finally signed it? He basically gets a situation where he deal directly with ownership and the general manager deals directly with ownership.
Starting point is 00:06:21 Because the hiccup was that he wanted to hire his own, and you remember he wanted to hire his own general manager. and he used to report it directly to ownership. Right. So they kept that in place. Also, the Greenback Packer was keeping Matt LaFleur as their head coach. LaFleur had one year left on his contract extension. He signed in 22.
Starting point is 00:06:42 Well, he signed a multi-year contract extension that ESPN said is not a proven deal, but a real commitment. The two sides met early in the week to discuss the future direction of the organization. It was the first major decision by New York. team president and policy who took over in July for Mark Murphy. It was Murphy who hired LaFleur in 2019
Starting point is 00:07:03 to replace Super Bowl winning coach Mike McCarthy. You like this? Also, they were reported that they were working on extension for LaFleur and Brian Gutakins who was the general manager. So, look,
Starting point is 00:07:21 that would be, they got, look, you got the quarterback. Michael, let's see how soon Michael can get back. You got a boatload of receivers. Yeah, good receivers. I think they need a corner, though. The corner of the just so-so.
Starting point is 00:07:36 Is it mixing or Nixon? One of them, all he does, get penalties. Nixon, Valentine. I can't think of the rest of the names. I like McKinney, safety. Oh, I love him. McKinney, nice. but.
Starting point is 00:07:54 McKinney and I, he just led the NFL interceptions, what? A couple of years ago. Not too long. Byard led it this year. And I don't know what happened to,
Starting point is 00:08:05 we had him on the show, Ocho. Yeah. Or Sean Gary. The man went like 10 left weeks without a sack. Yeah, I don't know what happened. But, hey, it's hard to get them sacks,
Starting point is 00:08:23 boy. And they made them sacks hard to come by now. They shouldn't be. But look, I like this for LaFleur. They shouldn't have lost this game. They should have put them away when they had an opportunity. And that didn't happen. And that's why they're, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:45 they've got to keep love because he gets Nick at some point in time every year, be a concussion, be a hand, be it something. They got to keep Malik Willis. That's who they got to keep. Because when Malik came in, when Joe and Love had to go out, they didn't have to keep him. Somebody's going to pay him start money. Maybe it's Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Well, I like the way you think, man. I like the way you think. I like that. I believe somebody's going to play him start his money. I like the way you think. When you say start of money, when you say start of money, We'll be talking about. I mean, that Sam Donald Baker-Mayfield, $33 million.
Starting point is 00:09:31 Okay, okay. Okay, that's team friendly right down there. Very, very. So that's what I think is going to happen with that situation. But Green Bay got pieces, you know, they can run the football. The receivers, just keep Christian Wiles and healthy. The other, the guy they got from Texas, what the guy from Texas? Golden, Matthew Golden.
Starting point is 00:09:56 y'all got to give him some chances man y'all got to give him opportunities and stop that gadget with him now let that man get down the field um now you're probably going to lose i mean you're going to lose some of them i mean you can't keep everybody you got read you got roboe dobbs got wicks yeah you're going to probably lose a couple of those guys but christin watson if you can just stay healthy uh i do believe matthew golden will get better in the second year than he wasn't first year, they got to make them something special. Remember, they lost craft. They're tied in with New Year's.
Starting point is 00:10:33 He'll come back. He's a very lot, reliable receiver, one of the better tied up than the league. So I like Green Bay. But it's puzzling to me that Rishon Gary with Michael Parsons on the other side. I mean, he got up to that great start, oh, he had like seven sacks. And I think seven, seven, a half. He ended the season with seven, seven and a half. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:56 That tells you, that shows you just how difficult it is to get those sacks, even with Mike on the other side, and even with Michael, Mike in his absence on how difficult it is. No, because like a deal, I was talking to DeMarco's Ware, and he's like, look,
Starting point is 00:11:16 if I play 60 plays, I can suck 59 of them. All I do is get one sack. If I get one sack, every game, that's 17 sacks. Name a season that I'm not going to make the pro bowl with 17 sacks.
Starting point is 00:11:32 Name a season that I'm probably not going to be a first or second team all pro. So that's the thing, Ocho. I can suck. He's like to suck 59 plays. I just need to be successful. Because I asked him, Gary Zimmerman, he was the officer of tagging for five, 93, 9, 4, that's it, five years.
Starting point is 00:11:52 All decades, two decades, different decades, 80s and the 90s. I was like, man, and he was just like, he would just be beside himself if he gave up a sack. He like Sharper, you know, he'd say, he says, I don't even want the guy to touch the quarterback. I don't even want the quarterback. I don't even want my guy to pressure the quarterback.
Starting point is 00:12:08 He said because that joke would suck. He can suck all day long. And if he gets one sack, he'll hero. Yeah. And I don't want to be a hero on my watch. You know, you know, it's funny when you explain the way the market is where explained it. Suck in 59 plays.
Starting point is 00:12:26 just getting a sack once. If I do it was 17 games, just one time, that's 17. That's 17 sacks, don't you? You see how us saying it like that? The way he said it,
Starting point is 00:12:37 how it sounds easy, but how difficult it is to actually achieve and attain something that sounds so easy. Because if it was that easy, everybody had 17. You know? But, man.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Just like pass catching is an art form, rushing the past is an art form. Yeah, because, I mean, you're doing thing, but I'm doing thing, but I'm saving something. Because I know I'm going to get you out, okay. You think I'm just going to speed rush you all the time. Now, okay, do I bull you now?
Starting point is 00:13:06 Do I hit you with the Frini? Do I put you in the spin cycle like Dwight Frini? Mm-hmm. Do I post you? So, but it was, it was, I think Green Bay, look, I think Green Bay had to get this. I mean, of all the coaches out there, like, now it's being reported that Mike Tomlin,
Starting point is 00:13:27 it's going to, you know, be out of coaching in 26. Well, if you go back and think about Ocho, the coaches that left Pittsburgh, they never coached again. Chuck Null, never coached again. Coach Cowher, everybody had these speculations by Coach Charles was coming back. He never came back. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:44 Mm-hmm. I don't think he wants to coach anymore. I don't think he wants to come back. I mean, he walked away from $16, 17 million a year. Hey. It's a lot of responsibility. I mean, if the player think about what you got, but just think about what you got,
Starting point is 00:14:00 because I got a word about you, 53, knuckleheads. And really, no, I only got to worry about like three or four of y'all. For the most part, the guys are going to do the right thing. Yeah. It's one or two that I got can't sleep with my phone on silent. I can't, oh, y'all, I can't. You laugh at it. I can't.
Starting point is 00:14:22 Man, that's every team is always, I mean, four is a bit much. I think maybe two or three. You got one or two, three maybe. Maybe. And the one or two probably cool with each other. Yeah. So now we've got the giant
Starting point is 00:14:42 job field. We got the Falcons job field. We still got Tennessee that's open. Still got Arizona that's open. You got Pittsburgh that's open. Yeah. Somebody else is open, too. Arizona, Tennessee, Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:15:01 We got Giantsfield. Raiders. Raiders are still open. Yeah. And you got to think those teams also, man, those teams you go to, you understand the issues that they're having right now. You got to go in there with a plan.
Starting point is 00:15:20 Oh, yeah, for sure. You got to go in there with a plan because if you don't have a plan, but at least it's going to be short. Yeah, you got to go in that thing. It's Bob the Builder. Man. Because you know, you know, owners have expectations.
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Starting point is 00:18:20 We're going to collab with Netflix. We got an opportunity to walk the red carpet. We've got an opportunity to meet Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. But we haven't had an opportunity to talk about the movie. The movie is based on a true event. they added a twist on it so we don't want to give you too much away but right
Starting point is 00:18:38 and I think it was 2018 in Miami Lakes they got a CI gave a call about potentially money being some of cash being in the home they get a warrant and they go in and in that home there were actually $24 million in cash
Starting point is 00:18:59 in the movie it was $20 million but Matt Damon, they're all on the police force. So that's the question that we were asking everybody, you go into a home, it's $20 million in cash, what's your play here? You take it all, you take some, you take none.
Starting point is 00:19:20 It's reported that they turned everything in. In actuality, so you said that they turned 24 million in, it was probably like 35, 40 in the house up. Easily. Easily. You got to understand, especially in a situation like this, when you get a tip like that, when you get a tip like that, you know it's inside.
Starting point is 00:19:41 You know it's the inside job. It's inside. We're going to give you this. You know, I'm not going to put too much on it. But you have to have people that you trust when you're going there. It can't be like in the movie American Gangster when they found that $1 in that trunk and he may do turn all of it in. and you had the whole task force looking at him like you were crazy.
Starting point is 00:20:04 That's life-changing money. That's life-altering money. And I know you're supposed to be honest. Yeah, you've got to be integrity. Protect and integrity and morals and all this. Man, the hell with that shit. If I don't cost $20 million, listen, we're going to think of a plan and we're keeping it. Oh, Joe.
Starting point is 00:20:24 We keep it. We keep it. I told, I'm not to, hey, man, listen, see? You see what I'm talking about? See, this is we have disagreement? and I'm going to have to off you. I'm going to have you. I'm going to have you.
Starting point is 00:20:34 I want no partner. But I don't want him as a partner. Okay, I might get a partner, but I don't want him as a partner. Hey, hey, uh, 20, million? You got to think we police officers. We own a police officer salary. You already do that.
Starting point is 00:20:50 We make $35,000 a year. And we run across $20 million. Hold on. We run across $20 million in a house with, if, if it is, If a house has 24 men in it, that means whoever's making that kind of money, they can,
Starting point is 00:21:06 they ain't missing that. They ain't missing that. Anybody that just had 24 men just stashing the wall? Oh, that ain't. Man, that's, a part of this. So, Matt Damon,
Starting point is 00:21:17 Ben Affleck characters, Tiana Taylor, Cajé, Stephen Young, Richard Chandler, Maria Sandino, Marino Kyle Chandler
Starting point is 00:21:36 Kyle Chandler What's a Sandino Moreno What's her first name? Sacha Cajer Catalina Now there's a lady
Starting point is 00:21:54 That's in the house She's there She probably calls But anyway She says it's her grandmother's house Or she's just there Grandmother and they blah blah blah So for the song
Starting point is 00:22:05 So they come in and they You know hey They brought the dog in there, the dog smells money. Like, you know, they have a dog that smell fentanyl, they smell cocaine, a weed, whatever the case may be.
Starting point is 00:22:16 But this dog is trained to sniff out money. Dog goes in the house, go crazy. Go crazy. And I start hammer it out the walls. And from the beginning, I'm like, okay,
Starting point is 00:22:39 are they good guys or they bad guys? they're going to keep this or what they're going to do? Hold on. You got to understand certain people that are good, good guys. That money turned your... It turned your different way, man. To see that kind of money, but we're going to check back in probably Wednesday because this will give you an opportunity.
Starting point is 00:23:03 If you haven't watched it Saturday, I mean, Friday when it came out, you haven't watched it Saturday, Sunday maybe. So hopefully by Wednesday, everybody, will have an opportunity to watch it. And so we won't give away too much. But we want you to go watch it and then we could all talk about it and you're like, okay,
Starting point is 00:23:21 because I don't think you're going to see the plot. I don't think you're going to see because what you think is going to happen probably is not going to happen in the way that you think it's going to happen. And so it's going to be very, very interesting because I didn't, a lot of the characters I didn't think
Starting point is 00:23:35 was going to be in play. So we'll see. But I thought, I thought, Tiana Taylor, I thought they did a great, I thought they did an unbelievable job. Ben Affleck and Matt Damon together, they're magic.
Starting point is 00:23:50 They're magic. From the time, I think the first time that they, you know, wrote something together, directed something together, was Goodwill hunting. Matt Damon and I think Robin Williams was on screen.
Starting point is 00:24:00 But, you know, I like Ben Affleck. I don't know if you got an opportunity to see the accountant. I think an accountant is unbelievable. He directed Argo. but you know Matt Damon in the Boren I did it and born supremacy. I like Matt Damon.
Starting point is 00:24:18 I like him. Yeah, one of my favorites, obviously my favorite Ben Affleck movie, he's done some good ones, but I don't think nothing is as good as the town. Oh, yeah, yeah, by Charles Town, Massachusetts, yeah. They're robbing him back, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Yeah, him and Jeremy Ritter. That's a classic, boy, that is a classic. So, yeah, I want you guys, you guys watch it. and then let's let's reconvene. And I will reconvene on Wednesday and then we can get more to detail because I want to give you a chance to because I don't want to spoil the ending.
Starting point is 00:24:51 But I know you're not going to see. I know you're not going to figure it out what's really going on until the very, very end. And still, I don't think you're going to be sure that what's going to happen because I'm sitting there, I'm thinking like, God, damn.
Starting point is 00:25:06 You got a nice, you got a nice plot twist to it. Oh, yeah, oh yeah. Very nice. Yeah. So go watch the rip. It's on Netflix. Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Tiana Taylor, Kyle Chandler,
Starting point is 00:25:23 Stephen Young. They got some. I know one thing. Sasha Carje. I'm just trying to recall. I'm just trying to recall after my head. Catalina. They could have changed that cat.
Starting point is 00:25:39 I hope I, ma'am, I hope I got your name right. I really do. I know I got the Catulina and the Sedino. So I hopefully They could have changed the cast members. They're on the Taylor, Stephen Young, Catalina Sandino Moreno, Sasha Kajey,
Starting point is 00:25:59 and Kyle Chandler. Catalina Sandino, Moeno. Moeno. Hey, you know, hey, if we was in there, boy, wouldn't have been no movie,
Starting point is 00:26:15 boy. Yeah, because I go in the house. I'll give me my four, five, I'm up out of there. I let somebody else. How much? 4-5 I don't need
Starting point is 00:26:27 I don't need about 4-5 of the Home Depot buckets They already got it marked out Like 150, 250, 250, 300 We got it all nice and packaged And everything Listen, you say you want to turn something in We're going to turn in a million
Starting point is 00:26:40 A million dollars, don't you? We're turning to a million That's all we found That's all we found We go to jail We keep a 19 We keep a 19 We can split
Starting point is 00:26:52 We can split it down. We can split it. Or have you, happy you want to do it. So you're going to bust it down three ways. Three ways. We're going to bust it down two ways. Ocho,
Starting point is 00:27:04 I don't know if I can trust you, Ocho. Trust who? I can't trust you. You don't want to turn my ears. Nah. No. Ocho. Why we just can't keep 15?
Starting point is 00:27:15 Why we can't keep 50? We got seven and a half a piece. I don't like that. Ocho, seven and a half? work a think about it we can work a couple of more years hey
Starting point is 00:27:29 get to where we can get our pension work who a couple of more years I'm getting on desk I'm getting on desk duty and I'm putting my two weeks notice man shit man I catch all man guys make sure you go
Starting point is 00:27:47 check out the rip on Netflix I promise you I promise you you won't regret it oh Cho it's time to play a face presented by prize picks. Drake May at least one passing touchdown. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Absolutely. Boy, that's gonna be a game there. Yep. Good game. I'm gonna say more. CJ Stride more than 0.5. Yeah, he'll have at least 5 yards passing. Point five yards.
Starting point is 00:28:38 So he needs to just have one yard. More. Caleb Williams left in 220.5 pass yards. Man, that weather going to be something crazy. Yeah. That's what guys be concerned, Ochoa, it's the weather. Ideal's situation, yeah, he's going to pass for that. They do have the number one rushing attack in football.
Starting point is 00:29:05 They could always lean on that. That's something you can lean on in weather like that. lean on the running game and only throw when you have to throw. I would say less, less than 220. Matthew Stapper less than 262. So that means he got to have less than 263 pass a yard. You think it have more or less. Oh, I think more.
Starting point is 00:29:43 The 262 in those conditions? Yeah, because I just saw him play against Philly. Was that last year in the snow? Was that last year in snow? He was still letting that thing. thing rip in the snow. Ooh, we. I'm going to go Caleb Williams more.
Starting point is 00:30:30 I'm going to go Matt Ryan less. I mean, Stafford, Stafford. Matt Ryan. Dad would be best friend. I'll take Stafford to go less. I'm going to go Caleb Williamsmore, Matt Stafford less. That's the money play. $25 to win $137.50.
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Starting point is 00:33:27 Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free. Retrial at audible.com. All right, guys, we're going to get you here out of this. Going to get you out of here on this. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Hey, matter of fact, you know what happened before we get the Q&A tonight? Man, I had, man, I had a fight, man.
Starting point is 00:34:00 And, you know, we family chat. We family. I can tell y'all, man, a fight with some dude named Tony out here, man. I know they deployed it. I knew there's a catch to it. Huh? But I'll play a law. Tony who, Ocho?
Starting point is 00:34:15 No, he just said he don't like me saying his name backwards. No, I should. I ask him, why not? Why do you like you said, his name backwards, Ocho? I mean, Tony Backless is, why not? I have mercy chat. See what I go through. Kepra Norwood Jr.
Starting point is 00:34:43 Man, I thought Aunt was about to be like Florida Everett and Broncos Law. Damn, damn, damn. Man, I was going to be so upset, Kempra. I ain't even lie. Uh, Joe's in 1984. What's good? Um, you think about Matt signing that contract as a huge Packers fan.
Starting point is 00:35:00 I love it because he's good play caller. Your thoughts? Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, he's been in the playoffs for the most part since he's been there. Uh, you know, I think the only time I was disappointed in him is that when they got Tampa and they kicked the field goal and they didn't. let Aaron Rogers, you got an MVP, and you didn't let him try to make something to happen. But of that, yeah, I think he's a great play caller.
Starting point is 00:35:30 I absolutely do. Marcus Fragge donated $100 to give his wife a shout out. May I get a shout out and say, happy birthday to my beautiful wife, Morgan. She loves the channel, and we've been subscribers since episode one. Keep up the great work, fellas. And thank you, Marcus. Thank you for your support. You and your wife, Morgan.
Starting point is 00:35:51 Happy birthday. hopefully Marcus took you somewhere. Y'all went to a nice dinner, maybe movie. Do people do, what is it? Is it dinner at a movie or is it movie and dinner? Which is it? That's a good one. Can you do both in the same night?
Starting point is 00:36:08 I tried it. I was asleep because once I eat. That's too, yeah. I'm tired, boy. And I can't do no movie, no, five o'clock moving. They go to dinner, eight, no. Now, you got to pick one or the other, man. Pick one of the other.
Starting point is 00:36:20 Are we too old for that? Yeah, man. That we were young, we could do that. I mean, I used to have the patience with Job. I mean, I could use sitting there and move it and watch three. I mean, it was, it wasn't nothing for me to go like every Saturday to watch at least two movies. I mean, I've done three, I've done six in a day,
Starting point is 00:36:37 but I can't do it now. I ain't got the patience. I just don't. True infamous, Stephen A, and all darnal haters, owe that man an apology. And the Ninus fans can't say foot or bow. Bang, bang. Nine or bang.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Hey, Sam Donal has been playing this tail off. They've been playing this tail off. Hey, they might tell that contract up and, hey, come on, we're going to go and do right by you. I don't think they can do it right now because they got spoon they got to deal with. I don't know if you can keep both spoon and rolling. Nobody got to go.
Starting point is 00:37:15 I don't know. You can do that. And it'll have to do something with Ernest Jones. That's a good problem to have. It's a good problem to have. Because next year, you're going to have to do something with JSN. Boy, he fin of reset the market. You be absolutely right.
Starting point is 00:37:34 LeVar four, Ogunocho, do y'all think that was Sean's last game coaching the bills who's more favorable matchup for the Broncos, Houston's a Pat. There are no favorable matchups without your starting quarterback. There is no starting quarterback.
Starting point is 00:37:50 There is no backup quarterback that said, look, you're at home. but you're going to have to play a near flawless game and your defense is going to have to take the ball away on multiple occasions. I mean, I guess, I mean, I would say Houston, for the simple fact, CJ will give you an opportunity for a couple of bad plays. But New England, man, they're good. They fundamentally sound.
Starting point is 00:38:26 They can run the football. Stephad Diggs making plays, Bouté, those tight ends with Hooper and Hunter Henry. that running game that you got, Ocho. Very nice. Henderson and Stevenson. Henderson. Damn. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:38:46 Well, I'm going to go to the Super Bowl. Damn it, we go into the Super Bowl. Forget that. Do you hear me? Send a shout out to me. To me and my lady, we just got engaged, DJ and Fowler. And we have a baby boy on the way,
Starting point is 00:39:01 Jekir Amir Gilean. Okay, congratulations. Did you file you? Getting engaged and got a baby boy on the way. That's the way to do it. That's a way to do it. Congratulations. Hopefully everybody's okay.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Can't wait. Hey, let us know when the, uh, so we give your, uh, what did, what, what did you say? You can say congratulations on the marriage. What do you do? Is there something that you say? I mean, you've got to get married. So, I mean, you probably should know that. Who?
Starting point is 00:39:39 You. I'm going to get married. We're going to get married. I'm going to say I work out for you first. Oh, no. I told you, I'm trying to save money. I thought we were going to have a wedding at the same time. Oh.
Starting point is 00:39:54 Yeah, you know, in Vegas, you know you're in Vegas. You do a dual wedding. You can have all. We just go to a grocery store, get a cake. That's a couple of days old. We're dressing up. we'll frost it ourselves. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:16 Bearface 206. Thank you, Minnesota. Yeah. Yeah, thank you, Minnesota. Because you might have made Seattle a beast. Might have made Seattle a beast. Excuse me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:36 G. Hernandez Rams. No, my homie, Burrell, Lamar. That was Josh's golden opportunity, and he blew it. Teams are only getting better in the AFC, and he might not get a ring in his career. Yeah, you're right. I mean, you got to think about it. Danny went to the Super Bowl in his second year,
Starting point is 00:40:53 that great historic season of which he threw for 5,000 yards and had 48 touchdowns and he never got back. John had to deal with that for 14 years. He's really good. He's great, but Peyton had to deal with that for a number of years. He's good, but everybody doesn't have the career like Brady. Brady's first year as a starter, his second season in the league,
Starting point is 00:41:19 Super Bowl. Takes a lot of pressure off you. Mahomes. Second season of league, first season started, Super Bowl. Everybody does everybody does get to have that luxury, man.
Starting point is 00:41:34 So, yeah. And until until he gets there and gets it done, it's the same thing. We're going to have these conversations, not just with Josh. We're going to have that with Lamar. We're going to have that with Joe Burrow
Starting point is 00:41:47 until they get there and win it. That's just the way it goes. You got to get that monkey out of your back. You got to. T.S. Carwatch, Detail, Service. Josh never going to win a ring. Burrell was going to get one before him. Now Bears versus Seattle, Pat's versus Broncos. Heard it here
Starting point is 00:42:05 first. Philly talked that with PA. Number one, Russia, top O line, best tight-in room, defense, keep him in the game. Keep that same energy for Allen y'all have for Hertz and Lamar. Allen had as many turnovers today as Hertz had in his whole playoff career. Did you listen tonight? No.
Starting point is 00:42:34 You just, are you just going to join? Guys. Oh. Guys that have won the MVP, we judge them harsher because you have an MVP. Lamar gets put in the cat. Think about it. There hasn't only been there. There are less than 10 quarterbacks that have multiple MVP's.
Starting point is 00:42:53 And you want us to judge Lamar like he's a normal game. It's impossible. We didn't judge LeBron like a normal guy when he had those MVP's in no rings. We didn't judge Jordan like a normal guy. We didn't judge Jordan like a normal guy. When you get MVP's, you get to another level of expectations that comes along with it. Right now, Josh, Lamar, Josh, and Joe has underperformed based on the talent that they have.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Lamar, because he has two MVP. There are a lot of guys that have one MVP at the quarterback position. There are very few players that have multiple MVP's. Lamar is the only quarterback with multiple MVP's and no Super Bowl appearances.
Starting point is 00:43:54 Now, he's still in only year eight or nine, so he has another five to ten years to get there. But until then, come on, guys, don't make it that much complicated. y'all know how they did Steve Young and he was in the shadow of Joe y'all remember when he beat San Diego and Gary Plummer took
Starting point is 00:44:12 he said get this off my back and Gary Plummer took the monkey off his back come on what are we doing here? I just don't know I just don't know what you're I don't I don't Eric Black 80, go home time is tight in Seattle for next
Starting point is 00:44:40 visitor yeah I mean The Broncos play the early game. They play at, I think, three Eastern, right? Five o'clock. Five o'clock. The Broncos play at five? At three.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Yeah. Yeah, you're right. At three. So, yeah, yeah, but yeah. Because I land, I land, I landed four. So I'm going to be watching. I'm going to watch the first half on the plane. I think that's what time to play.
Starting point is 00:45:12 Let me see what time to play. Yeah, they probably, probably 3.30 because they say 5th, say 530, I looked at the schedule next week. At 3? It's at 3.m. 3 Eastern, which is one of, which is one of a lot. Next week. Which will be one, which will be, huh? Right, one mountain, right. Yeah. Brutal metalhead. Then why does the media keep saying the Texas have the number one defense?
Starting point is 00:45:59 We already saw that episode. because you do. But it's close. It's like 278 to 283. You do. I mean, Seattle and Houston have the two best defenses. Scoring defense, and I think Broncos are number three. So when you look at scoring defense, total yards defense,
Starting point is 00:46:26 you look at interceptions, you look at sacks. Clearly, the Broncos have, Broncos got like 71 sacks. in regular season and the postseason. Nobody's close to that, but you look at the points. Seattle gave up, what did Seattle give up? Nine? What did they give up? Six. You ever six points today?
Starting point is 00:46:52 What did the Patriots give up last? What did the Patriots give up last week? Who the Patriots played? Hell, I don't forget who the Patriots played. But if the, oh, yeah, the, Chargers. Yeah, what was the final score? 16 to 3.
Starting point is 00:47:12 So they gave up three. And then you look at the Texans. They gave up 6. So 6. 6. 3. And the Broncos gave up 30. But Buffalo has a better offense than all the teams that we mentioned.
Starting point is 00:47:37 Trial Brown, 309. Oh, Joe. The Broncos win at all, you got to double that 5,900. That'll be the most improbable run in NFL history. Without just starting quarterback, yeah. Devin 7606, Little Bo Peep had trouble throwing over his sheep. Truso Cat 67. Broncos need to sign Tom Brady as a QB.
Starting point is 00:48:11 I don't think he want to do that to his. team. I definitely don't think he want to go against his team. Reb Debo 73. Can we stop talking, Alan, than Mahomes. Talk now. Mahomes is better than Alan. The last two years, if we're just talking about play,
Starting point is 00:48:38 we know Mahomes, nobody that's currently played is more accomplished. But over the last two years, Patrick Mahomes has not been the Patrick Mahomes that we're used to see it. It's okay, guys. Yeah. Even if you say Josh Allen, even if you say X, Y, and Z, That doesn't diminish what Patrick Mahomes has already accomplished.
Starting point is 00:48:56 Sometimes I think when you say somebody is better, that means you're saying, well, all the awards that they won. No, this will update your league. The last two years, Patrick Mahomes has missed the Pro Bowl. Josh Allen has made the Pro Bowl. Josh Ellen was the first team all pro last year. Josh Ellen was the MVP. You don't get to keep saying because I have more Super Bowls than said player.
Starting point is 00:49:19 That player is better. Right. doesn't work like that. I mean, because if that's the argument, that means you're saying right now that LeBron and Steph Curry is better than Nicola Yokic. And he's better, he's better than,
Starting point is 00:49:40 than, than, than, she. That's what you're saying. If we're just going to use your analogy because somebody has more rings, you're saying right now that LeBron James and Steph Curry are better than Nicola Yokic and Shee Gildjus. Are you willing to say that?
Starting point is 00:49:57 Absolutely not. Kevin Boutonite, our Niners were resilient all year, but all the injuries took their toll tonight. We'll be back strong next year. Got to keep these guys healthy, man. You guys have been dealing with injuries, especially in the latter part of the season for the last couple of years. Nothing but the tide.
Starting point is 00:50:17 Kenneth Walker ran through them boys like a knife through butter. Yeah, he did. And it seemed like every time they pull, they got the tackle on the DB. Every time. Chantelle Porter 674 Broncos will not beat Seattle or the Patriots
Starting point is 00:50:36 or the Patriots, excuse me. But I sure hate that about Bo Necks prayers to him also. Josh Allen is overrated. No, he's not. I do not believe Josh Allen is overrated. Alejandro Bernal the second.
Starting point is 00:50:57 Ocho, love the pod. What y'all been doing since day one. Love y'all growing up, striving. And could give my daughter Layla Happy birthday shout-out She turns eight at midnight And she wanted me to ask you guys much Yes, Leila, happy eighth birthday
Starting point is 00:51:14 Happy birthday Cheez Chucky Cheese That's what I heard That's what you do with You know, even your young girls And boys, they go to Chuckie Cheese I don't know, I don't think
Starting point is 00:51:25 I don't think long young girls Won't go to Davey Cheese That's old What did they go! Disney World Disneyland What if you ain't close to Disney? World of Disneyland. Get on the plane and you get close to it.
Starting point is 00:51:39 What if you ain't got, what if you got Chucky Cheese money? Ain't got Disneyland or Disney World money. Okay, that's a good. That's a good one. I like that. I see, I like that. Okay. Cali, one, two, three, four. No Mahomes, no Jackson, no Burrow
Starting point is 00:51:55 in his way. I'm afraid Josh will never win a Super Bowl. I don't like to say never, but I don't think it gets any easier because looking at it. I think Drake May is going to get better. I think Bo Nix is going to get better. I think they're going to get some, they're going to improve Lamar's offensive line.
Starting point is 00:52:11 They're going to get some help on the defensive side of the football. Yeah, I think, I think the charges will improve. Jacksonville's not going anywhere. The Houston, Texas aren't going anywhere. You're right. It doesn't get any either. It does not. It does not.
Starting point is 00:52:27 And when you have an opportunity, when the opportunity presented itself, you got to take full advantage of it because you don't know if and when those opportunities is going to present themselves again. Oh, that Cook's play with the same play the bills were rewarded against the past early this season. The same
Starting point is 00:52:41 Kobe and Shakur play, for example. I don't remember to play out the top of my head. I don't, but I take your word for it. Jim Miller, 4559. Oh, where's the smoke you have for Lamar? Josh Allen played worse than Lamar. Again, y'all just come to leave messages. Y'all didn't hear
Starting point is 00:53:14 when Ocho and I said that John Shalden played bad and this loss have to be pinned on him. But what you guys tried to do, y'all remember when Lamar Jackson won the MVP that year? And how many turnovers did he have
Starting point is 00:53:27 against Tennessee? There was the number one seed. How many turnovers did he have? Y'all remember when he was the number one seed in Kansas City came there? How many turnovers did Lamar have? See, what you do is that you try to excuse every time Lamar plays bad,
Starting point is 00:53:41 you blame somebody else. And then when when Josh Allen plays bad and somebody else, you're like, oh, it's all Josh, this is all Josh. I have never ever heard you or anybody say, this was on Lamar. You blame Zay Flyer with form of the ball. You blame Mark Andrews. But what about those turnovers Lamar had?
Starting point is 00:54:00 Ocho and I laid it out. Ocho say, hey, this on Josh. Four to five turnovers? Yes, I agree, Ocho. I agree. He had a golden opportunity. was the best quarterback remaining in the AFC. He's the only quarterback that was remaining
Starting point is 00:54:18 that had an MVP. And he gagged it. He did. We said that. But y'all don't want to hear because if we say something about Lamar, we step in and fetching. We cooned it. We tap dancing. Y'all don't want the truth.
Starting point is 00:54:41 Y'all don't. Y'all don't want it. Because go back and look at Tennessee. When he won the MVP, his first MVP, go look at that game. Y'all blamed everybody else. Y'all blamed the defense. Look at the defense, defense, defense. He turned the ball over three times. His defense, defense, defense.
Starting point is 00:55:00 The Buffalo game last week, Mark Andrews, catch the balls. What about those turnovers? They won't say anything about that, huh? Guys, in six games, Josh Allen had no turnovers. and they still lost. Yep. None. He had to leave with 13 seconds
Starting point is 00:55:26 and they got the ball on the 20th. He got the opposing team on the 20-yard line. And he loses. When it's like that, it's hard to put it on the quarterback. I left the field. I keep leaving the field. And when I lead the field,
Starting point is 00:55:44 Ocho, we got to lead. I come back on the field. We're down. I say, you know what? I'm a lead to field again. I lead the field with 13 seconds. I don't see the ball again. They changed the rules.
Starting point is 00:56:01 Ocho, you know, it used to be the first team to score an overtime win. They changed the rules and everybody's going to get a possession. Now, they don't need brain to measure and sticks out. They got a thing out of computer chip into football. They changed the rule for the time. So they've given them every opportunity to try to win, Ocho. They changed two rules. Most quarterbacks get one.
Starting point is 00:56:24 He's gotten two rules changes, and he still hasn't won. He trying to get him one now. He did not play. I mean, he played well, but I still can't overlook. I mean, it's hard for, it's hard for me to put that Brandon Cook's turn over on him because he put it in his chest, Ocho, and the guy had Brandon Cook let him take the ball out of his hands. But he's got to play better.
Starting point is 00:56:48 He's got to play better. I mean, I don't know how he plays better, especially against Kansas City, because, I mean, you score 36 points and you lose with no turnovers. But guys, this is not a comparison. Neither one of them have a championship. So what are we doing? This is not where we're comparing Mahomes and Brady or this guy or this guy or that guy. Neither have a championship.
Starting point is 00:57:19 If you want to compare Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, magic, bird, Kareem, have at it. But we're talking about neither one of the guys know a championship, so what are we doing here? What do we do? What do y'all want from Ocho or not?
Starting point is 00:57:39 Because we told you, Josh didn't play well enough for them to win, and he cost them the game with those turnovers. We said that earlier, but that's not what you wanted to hear. So what you want us to tell. Just, hey, just type in what you want me and Ocho to say next time, and that's what we'll say. but guess what
Starting point is 00:57:57 we don't have to talk about Lamar or Josh Allen until what next what September Ocho that season over old school 55 13th century Uncle Ocho what do you think the bills need to get to get them over the hump seeing Alan broke down
Starting point is 00:58:13 at the podium was hard to watch yeah he's invested it hurt the more you invest and it doesn't work out the more it hurts they're going to find him a number one receiver we're going to find him a number one receiver. I mean, they've got two really good tight ends. I like Kincaid coming out.
Starting point is 00:58:38 I like Dawson Knox. They can run the ball. James Cook led the league in Russia. They need a big guy. I mean, their best receiver is five. How tall is secure? Five to you? He looks shorter than that.
Starting point is 00:58:55 I wonder how tall he is. He's six foot, don't you? Damn he is. He's six foot 190. Which means he probably five, eleven. He looks small. like that, man. I would say that.
Starting point is 00:59:21 I would say, I mean, they got Oliver. They got Russo. They, they brought in Bosa and Vanessa. Shaq Thompson played really well for him. They got Milano. Poor he was out because of a hamstring.
Starting point is 00:59:46 The only thing I think they really need Ocho is a receiver. Is it? A bona fide number one. Team Miller 68. The crazy thing is, I think Stidham is a better path than next.
Starting point is 01:00:05 I think you've been drinking, and I think you need to put the bottle down. I can't got no faith in the Bronco over now. See, you see how you talking to see? Ocho, we won. And we're going to win next week. We had both. Oh, oh, oh.
Starting point is 01:00:23 Oh, now you're not going to win. All I know, you're up here crying and sling it's not. With Burrell was out. Hold on, hold on now, hold on. But listen, you're saying,
Starting point is 01:00:33 y'all don't have a chance. Oh, we got a chance. It's a game. Anything can happen. But I would, just like you wouldn't bet no money on Flaccoe and Brother Brownie? Okay.
Starting point is 01:00:44 Yeah. Okay, I see what you go with. Yeah, exactly. I see. Journey, call it. It's my 57th birthday. Can I get a shout out? Happy birthday,
Starting point is 01:00:51 Jardy. Happy birthday. Do you? You go to brunch with your girls. You're going to church tomorrow. I mean, what's going on? What you, what you do to celebrate 57? Another one dot, round the sun.
Starting point is 01:01:06 Some people didn't get an opportunity to see their birthday. But you got an opportunity to see yours. Hopefully, you did something special and thank the man above for waking you up to allow you to see another one. Yeah, matter. Oh, she did turn 57 too, aunt. Well, if you, if you single, you know, uh, you know, um, man, you know. Huh?
Starting point is 01:01:27 I'm just trying to play a little. a matchmaker? I got this. I got this under control. I got it under control. And Cabelot. Keep it real now. Bo Nix has ruled out
Starting point is 01:01:37 for the AMC championship game. Can still them get it done. Defense is going to have to stand on their head. Yeah. Because it's not like it's not like they got a running game. It's not like they got Chicago's running game or Seattle's running game
Starting point is 01:01:53 or New England's running game. That ain't what they got. Yeah. That's not what they have. I mean, what, they have 70 yards rushing today? If that, they got the work cut out for them. These are two really, really good defenses. I mean, they're going to face the Texas.
Starting point is 01:02:13 They're going to face the patch. A really, really good defense. The Patriots can run the football, play action pass. They got guys that can make plays. Excuse me. Can he get it done? Yes. But they're going to be underdogs in their own building.
Starting point is 01:02:31 And all the money is going to be going on the road team. Aaron Jones, Shannon always disrespecting his viewers. Flag football, really? Okay, see how the Broncos play next week. Keep that cognac on hand. What you, how about disrepresenting? No, I said, y'all didn't, you did, some,
Starting point is 01:02:51 some of the viewers didn't understand the rules. I explained the rules about what a catch is because your team lost, or you wanted to come on here and type, you can't say foot or ball, you said that was a catch. I told you it wasn't a catch, and I told you why it wasn't a catch. But y'all get mad at me.
Starting point is 01:03:09 Carl Chephyrs told you why it wasn't a catch. Get mad at him. Get mad at the people that wrote the rules. Don't get mad at the person that explained the rules to you. B.S. Taylor Levin. Cooks didn't fight to keep possession. The ball was straight stripped right when he went down. I mean, because he was going down,
Starting point is 01:03:41 It's one thing like when somebody coming, they're trying to pull the ball, tug the ball. But when you're in the air, it's hard to hold on to it because you're not staying. You're the feet are not on the ground. That's why it's easy to get the ball out
Starting point is 01:03:54 when you're up in there. Yeah. You see a lot of guys when they try to die, when they die, when they die, but what they do, somebody comes in there, pooh, punch the ball right out. The ball right out.
Starting point is 01:04:07 But it's like when you're in the air, all you're like, damn, you're not, your mind doesn't tell you, clutch the ball when you're in the air like that. It doesn't. Right. And then by the time it's bang, bang,
Starting point is 01:04:20 he got the ball. When it's bang, he got the ball ripped it out. Because think about it. It's natural, Ocho, because when you brace a look, the ball's going to come away from your body a little bit anyway. And that's all he needs.
Starting point is 01:04:33 So when you bounce, the ball comes away a little bit and he's already rolling over the top. He got it. All in one motion. Ocean. Cowboys fan 2254. Des actually caught the ball.
Starting point is 01:04:48 NFL rules official. Stay consistent, especially in the playoffs. Dad, what did they say? What did they say? Des did not catch it. Danz and I have argued with this on Twitter. If, Cowboy fan, if you go to the ground,
Starting point is 01:05:08 get up and hand the ball to the official. Leo, 51, 98, 58. Thanks for giving knowledge on the rules. Some fan only want to listen to your input when it matches their agenda. Learning, you're absolutely right. And I, you know,
Starting point is 01:05:24 oh yeah, you like my opinion if it coincides with what you think. But then when it doesn't, I just told you what the rule. I don't, I don't, hey, the rules are the rules. The rules don't know. Well, you know what?
Starting point is 01:05:40 I think we need a favorite Buffalo today. no, let's favor Seattle. The rules are the rules. And if we have to use the rules when they come into play, we have to use the rules when they come into play. And I remember we up in the booth
Starting point is 01:05:56 and it's like, man, he might have been down. I said, no, he got to maintain position throughout the catch. And pay was like, that's right, you're right, you're right, you're right. Yeah, that was no catch. If it, and if the ball had hit the ground, they're going to say incomplete,
Starting point is 01:06:11 which I'm glad he held on to it because I didn't want to give Josh Allen a little crack anyway. Yeah. Lotus Pott, the same thing happened last year in the AMC championship game and they gave it to Kansas City. Woo, Pig Sue E. Pline Bluff, Arkansas native here, ISO is a hog. Go, so after seeing ISO here for the first time,
Starting point is 01:06:37 ain't missed the Paz since. Bring on some MMA guests. Stay up. Appreciate it. Man, it's hard. Man, people be in the bed. Josh R. 2808. No one cut breaks down football like nightcap.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Uncle Nocho, the best never do it. Josh took a hard loss. How do y'all push through hard moments in a game when things don't go your way you want? Make you better. And see, that's why we say you celebrate the wins. But let me tell you something. Most people will tell you.
Starting point is 01:07:16 Winning doesn't feel as good as losing hurts. I've never gotten the joy of winning, the high, that winning, like the hurt that lose to lose. Ain't nothing like that, bro. And I love winning. That's hurting, but I think. Oh, so I don't, you know, look,
Starting point is 01:07:43 I don't really remember there's some, like, I can damn near tell you every loss that really, I'm talking about all of them. But the really, I can tell you. And I can tell you definitely every loss I had from college to NFL, be it Denver, Baltimore, I can tell you. I mean, it's not a whole lot of losses that I've had in the last second. Normally I was on the other side.
Starting point is 01:08:08 You know, I had John, we were doing more coming from behind and snatching, you know, victory from the job of defeat. But, yeah. it definitely makes you hungry. It makes you want to get back out there. It makes you make you want to get right back in that situation. Yeah. Almighty James.
Starting point is 01:08:32 Ocho, how was Brazil? Awesome. Awesome. First time here. First time here, I've been all over the world. This is my first time being able to come to Brazil.
Starting point is 01:08:45 Great. I got to come again. I got to come again. The people, the atmosphere, the food was good. hospitality was awesome. Now, obviously, I got an opportunity to meet me two legends,
Starting point is 01:08:58 icons that I look up to. And in Brazilian Rinaldo and Namar, man, listen, words can't describe that experience, man, but just know it was worth that seven-hour flight. That are you to me. Quincy Chapman, can you wish me and my twin brother, Clinton, a happy 43rd birthday, them damn twins. Yes, Quentin, happy 43rd birthday.
Starting point is 01:09:22 Quincy, man, thank you guys. Thank you for supporting Nightcap. Thank you for watching. And Quentin, happy 43rd birthday. Hopefully you did something fun today. T.J. Mot 21. Can y'all wish my boy a happy 28th birthday? It was the 19th MLK.
Starting point is 01:09:39 Yep. Happy birthday. Boy. I mean, you give us a name. That would definitely help. But happy birthday. enjoy, do something fun, and go Broncos. Francisco Garcia, NFL film,
Starting point is 01:09:57 finally giving Ocho's flower. People don't remember the game against the Chargers and the two following games that he was a beast, that boy. Ocho, you put $200 on the Chargers? Or was that, oh, you went back-to-back Chargers and Saints? Or St. St. Chargers? I had 206 against the Chargers. Then the next game, I had 209.
Starting point is 01:10:18 and then after that 209 game I had 190 nothing. See, Ocho, you should have say, hey, man, they give me three, 200-yard game back-to-back-to-back-to-back-o? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I almost had 200.
Starting point is 01:10:33 Huh? Don't you wish you like, man, if I had known that, I said, uh-uh, throw me a hitch, throw me a smoke or something. I'm going to get a fight. I'm going to get that. Hey, I get 200 to lay down.
Starting point is 01:10:43 Hey, hey, man. Oh, do, hey, there was some days. The funny thing about it is, is you see how you take the game serious. I was out there just having fun. They don't tell me nothing. They don't tell me, I'll be out there just catching the ball, talking trash, and that's it.
Starting point is 01:11:00 I'm just playing like a little kid. I don't be paying a penit. I find out my stat line when the game over. You just found out of then. I got you at them 10 yards. Mike, Mike, what's up, Ocho? I saw the rip, and it's good. When are you and Ocho and Iso going to start a movie together?
Starting point is 01:11:15 Now, we started something together. You wait and you see what Ocho Ojo an idea. Oh yeah. You wait and you see. Well, Ocho ain't do much. Don't load a villain. Yo, uh,
Starting point is 01:11:28 I smiled a bit watching you share the tear with the Jags long. Go Duvall. Hey, oh, look. Was the Jags in the playoffs this year? Oh. Uh-oh. We beat the team that beat you all.
Starting point is 01:11:40 Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Eric Boy, just got engaged. Shout out engaged. Shout out to my wife, Chantelle, and our newborn daughter, Isabella. Yes, Eric, congratulations. Chantelle.
Starting point is 01:11:54 Grats. Hopefully you and baby are nice, are doing well, healthy. And Isabella, welcome to the world. Congrats. Snapback collector. I'm from Buffalo,
Starting point is 01:12:07 and I don't agree with this loser mentality. Try, trying to justify that Buffalo got robbed when four turnal was unacceptable. Actually, you had five, but we had one. So we just have to accept we got beat. You did. You turned the ball over.
Starting point is 01:12:21 You did something. Josh Allen did something that he had done in the previous six playoff game. And for the most part, Ocho, he's played well. I mean, yeah, he's lost. But it's hard to pin those losses when you throw him for 300 yards and, you know, you're doing what he's been able to do. and you don't turn the ball over.
Starting point is 01:12:42 Now we can't say that. We can't sit back and say, well, this is not on Josh. We have to sit back and say, oh, this is on Josh. He's carrying with the football. There's no reason for you to be carried a football like this in O. Dude, chopped down his hand. I was like, son, get down, get down. You're about to run the clock out.
Starting point is 01:13:05 Trying to make a play. Get it Johnson. If the Seahawks win the Sue Bowl, it's only Mike McDonnell. second year. What does that say about Kyle Schenahan with all those great teams that he's had? There's nothing.
Starting point is 01:13:15 Kyle's gotten there two times. He's gotten beat by Patrick Mahone. You can make a case that Patrick Mahon is one of the three greatest quarterbacks to ever play. And he's not even in year 10 yet. Yeah. That says Mike McDonald's done a great job and he has a really, really good team.
Starting point is 01:13:39 Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap as you watch the Seattle Seahawks take apart to San Francisco 49ers by the score of 41. and my Devere Broncos won an overtime 3330. Thank you guys. I'm your favorite. That's my partner and co-host all the way in Brazil, and he's joining us tonight.
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Starting point is 01:14:40 That link is pinned in the chat. The show will be Thursday night, February the 5th, at the Earth's Theater in San Francisco. So come on, babe. Show up for your up. and Ocho. Again, the Seattle Seahawks moved to the NFC championship game where the game will be home and they'll face the winner of the Rams Chicago thanks to a 41-6 demolition of the 49ers. And the Broncos
Starting point is 01:15:05 will take on the winner of the Patriots and the Houston Texans, thanks because they dispatch of the Buffalo Bills in overtime by the score of 33 to 30. But the win was bittersweet. They lose this quarterback, bow necks, to a broken ankle. I'm up, he's Ocho. We'll see you tomorrow after the Texas Patriots and Chicago Rams. Thank you guys for joining us. I'm up, he's Ocho.
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