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Episode Date: March 21, 2026

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Starting point is 00:02:33 I wouldn't go that far. But I'm John Green. Co-host of the podcast The Away End with my old friend Daniel. On our podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football. all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important.
Starting point is 00:02:50 Listen to the away end with Daniel Auerkone and John Green on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Iowa took a 12-4 lead and never gave it up, marking the first time of this season that Clemson hadn't led at any point. The Hawkeyes' Edge came on the boards without rebounding the Tigers, 40 to 27.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Manwa, Mani... Yawie became the third player in the last 60 years to have 10 rebounds without attempting a shot from the field in the NCAA tournament. So he had a specific job, Ocho, you know, you said you have a specific skill? He had a specific job. Get the rebound. There you go. That's it.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Hey, hey, we all got a role to play. I'm going to play mine to the tee. I ain't going to take a jump shot. I'm going to grab me 10 boys. I'm going to play hard all my minutes. They ain't played between three minutes. Yeah. So he basically getting the rebound every other minute.
Starting point is 00:03:49 Man, listen. I ain't really see the game. I was, man. I thought I had picked Iowa. I picked Clemson. I'm cheering for hour. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Let me look at my bracket right quick.
Starting point is 00:04:07 I was like, I've been damn. All right. I think I picked Clemson. Yeah. Yeah. Who there? Brother Johnson had 11 points. He had one point. That's impressive, man.
Starting point is 00:04:43 10 rebounds, one of six, one turnover. To not take not one shot. That's Dennis Robbins. Dennis Robbins would have 20 rebounds with no points. Yeah. Zero. I'm talking about not one attempt, though. Not one.
Starting point is 00:05:01 I was hung in there as long as they could. Sturts, hey, I mean, I won, but Clemson. But I thought Clemson, I thought Clemson made a run. They was down like 14, Joe, and then they cut it. But they just couldn't get it. They just couldn't get it with a hump. And then they forced Iowa into a run the shot clock down. Because that's what I will play.
Starting point is 00:05:31 Our play is running the shot clock down. We know we don't have the level of talent. to get up and down with you horses. So we're gonna run the shot clock down, dig it deep. Cause if you think about it, most of their damn shots came at five seconds, four, three, two.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Yeah. They shot Iowa, ran the clock down, shot it, and then Clemson couldn't get the rebound. And- Yeah, because this is a low-scoring game. Yeah, but you gotta know what you're dealing with. It's the same thing. Oh, you remember that first Super Bowl with, Philly and playing Kansas City.
Starting point is 00:05:59 They snap in the ball with four seconds on there because we try to take as much time as we can, this clock because we know patch long doesn't need much time. We damn sure ain't trying to give them a whole lot of it. And every time it, and it, hey, it almost, they almost nipped them. But this was a good game. Clemson, you know, but I was just,
Starting point is 00:06:22 that methodical office, that like Princeton, used to run the shock clock down, they backdoor cut you and do all that other stuff. And then you find yourself like, damn, how we down to these guys? How are we down to these guys? And that's the one, that's the one thing you guys.
Starting point is 00:06:36 You gotta be patient when you're playing against teams like this because they're gonna eat the shot clock up. They're gonna make you work defensively. If you come down there taking them quick shots, but you're gonna be in trouble. And they say you know you'd be down double figures. This is the first time, this is for the first time since 2019.
Starting point is 00:06:53 All four number eight seeds have gone winless. I was 67-61 victory over Clemson, Clitch, four-no first round effort for the nine seeds on Friday. Earlier in the day, Utah State defeated Villanova. God dang it, Villanova. On Thursday, TCU kicked the first roundoff, 6664, win over Ohio State, and the Billikins, St. Louis, crushed Georgia 102 to 77.
Starting point is 00:07:20 What Georgia doing, man? I mean, I don't really know nobody but Dominique, son, but I like, you know, St. Louis is going to get them. Man. You know, the Billikers used to have a pretty good program. I don't know, you know, I don't really follow them that much now, but they used to be really good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:37 Yeah. But now, Georgia, SEC, powerhouse, man. It used to be. And you think, you know, any powerhouse on that football field, that's about it. They didn't have some decent teams. They ain't had, I'm talking about basketball. They, they be decent. Yeah, they don't have enough talent.
Starting point is 00:07:57 You know, for every ant man that you get and neat that you had. I think they went to the, I think they might have went to the, nah, they went to the final four, the year out. after Dominique left with Vern Fleming. Hugh Duhlin with the head coach. They didn't go when Dominique was there. They went the year after. I think that might have been 83.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Look at see when that was, because I think Dominique came out in 82. Hey, because I'd be wondering. Georgia, NC State, Houston. I'm almost certain. I'm saying with all the talent that's here in Georgia, I don't never feel like any of the Georgia school is supposed to be suffering from talent.
Starting point is 00:08:41 It's too much. talent here, man. 83? I'm almost certain. Georgetown, Georgia, Houston, NC State. What was the finals that year? Hey, hey, hey, eh,
Starting point is 00:09:17 why I'd be hating on me, Ocho? Where have me? I just ask her, what was the final for that year? I did know. I did know, you realized that was 40 years ago. Damn. That was 40 years ago. But no, but I remember that Dominique, and I was like, damn,
Starting point is 00:09:40 how did they go to the final four the year after Dominique leave? But 83 was the year the miracle, Levinzo Charles, dunked the ball home on Houston with Five Slamma Jamba. Oh, you remember Five Slamma Jammer Joe? Were you big enough to remember Five Slamma Jammer Joe? I heard them, yeah. They had Akeem, Elytheon. They had a Clyde Drexler.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Uh, yeah, I think Larry Mishaw was on that team. They had a, they had a squad, but. Yeah, Jimmy V. Hey. I think that was an Albuquerque. Hey, how you say their name again? Five slamma jammer. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:22 Hey, when you, as soon as you said that the first thing that, that, that went in my head was school days for some reason. What did you know about school days, Ojo? I mean, I mean, you know, school days are good movies. That's a classic joke. Yeah. Fast-Lamma-Jama. That's the first thing I thought about was school days.
Starting point is 00:10:42 Wasn't that in New Mexico? Wasn't that championship in New Mexico? Because I think it was a... I didn't realize Louisville went to an 83. I'm trying to think who was on Louisville squad. Wow, I didn't know Louisville went, man. Ash, I just... George, I can't even ask a question.
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Starting point is 00:15:09 Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Kansas beat California Baptist 6860 for about 35 minutes to look pretty easy for Kansas, which was up by 26 points on Cal Baptist before allowing the lead to shrink to six points with a minute left. The Jayhawks buckled down and escaped with a 6860 victory, but it was not without unnecessary drama and questionable decisions down to stretch. Darren Peterson led all scores with 28 points, but vanished in the final minutes. Now, Kansas would go face off against Big East Tournament Champion, St. Jobs on Sunday.
Starting point is 00:15:52 That's right. Good dream. Bill Self, Rick Patino matchup is happening. Uh-oh. That's going to be a good one, fella. I got St. John's. Hey. I got John.
Starting point is 00:16:04 What? You got St. John? On your bracket? Did I put that? I don't know what I put it. You got St. John to be Kansas? Yeah, your bracket definitely. You might be throw that in the trash now.
Starting point is 00:16:21 I don't think St. John should have been a fortune. I think they should have been hired in that. But they get a chance to prove me wrong on Sunday. Hey, listen. When I was watching Kansas tonight, I know Devin Peterson got off to a slow start. Yeah. Because, you know, they've been saying he's going to be the number one pick, him and AJ. It's been flip-flopping pretty much all year.
Starting point is 00:16:46 Yeah. I like to see guys when they get off the rough start, how they can contain their composure and stay in it. And look, and don't be gunshot. Still be aggressive. Still getting to the bucket, still taking your normal shots. Because if I'm a scout, if I'm an NBA scout or, you know, You know, you plan on playing on the next level. That's what I want to see.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Like, your last shot, it can't affect the next shot. You feel what I'm saying? Like, you may have got off to a one to six shooting start, one to seven shooting start. Hey, man, I want you to continue to be aggressive, continue to be the player who you are. Because confidence goes a long way. I thought he played great, honestly.
Starting point is 00:17:24 He didn't shoot great from the field, but I'm speaking from a mentality standpoint. Like, knowing that, you know, I'm him. I'm better than y'all out here. Right. You know what I mean? And my off night is a pretty good night. He was the only one to make threes.
Starting point is 00:17:37 I mean, they were four for 19, and he made all four of his. He was 411, though. Like you said, Joe, he didn't shoot the ball particularly well. He was 11 or 24 from the floor. But hey, look, he's going to get the majority of the shots. He's their best player. And, like you said, and that's what you have to do.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Because if you think you're going to, every night, you're going to get off to a hot start, it ain't happening. It ain't happening. Nah, no. I thought those guys rallied around them, though, because I, you know, I've seen Kansas play a couple times this year, and they've had guys have big numbers outside of Dan Peterson. But tonight, nobody really showed up, bro.
Starting point is 00:18:18 It was terrible. They were terrible. The only thing that hurt California Baptist is that they were worse shooting the ball than Kansas. Because Kansas was 26 of 65 from the floor, and Cal Baptist was. 23 or 64. They were 4.17 from the three point line.
Starting point is 00:18:38 10 of 19 from the three. Yeah. Man, when I watch them, they be so held to skilter out there to start the game. Everybody be going so fast, okay, Ocho. Like, sometimes you just got to take a deep breath, relax. Like, calm down. Everybody playing at such just hyper-level, you know, trying to play as hard as they can.
Starting point is 00:18:57 But sometimes, man, you just got to relax a little bit and let the game come to you. And that's kind of what I've seen. tonight, especially from Kansas. I know Kyle got back in it, but for the most part. But those arenas, man, that depth perception, them guys, they used to play in the arenas like that, Joe. It's tough, bro.
Starting point is 00:19:16 It's tough. Them neutral sites, I'm telling you. Yeah. I'm telling you, it's tough. You can be close to home, but it's a whole different atmosphere. You know, they're playing, you know, because they try to get as many fans as they can in these buildings, so these are ginormous buildings.
Starting point is 00:19:30 Big, big buildings. Yeah, but Kansas moves on number four Kansas, takes down Cal Baptist. 6860, led by Darren Peterson with 28 points. All right. Joe, ISO is ranked 40 out of 379 entries with 260 points. Ocho is 219 with 240 points. And currently, I'm pulling up the rear, 33rd with 210 points. Hold on, you said I'm right, what?
Starting point is 00:20:04 40th. Out of 379 entries. Damn, I'm high. We ain't going to celebrate, y'all? What we celebrate, Joe? I'm right. I'm in front of you. I'm in front of you, Joe.
Starting point is 00:20:17 No, you not? No, I'm not. Man, wait. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. Man, you're so far back there in the review mirror. I can't even see you.
Starting point is 00:20:25 I have to adjust my mirror up pretty. Hey, you know, you know, you know what they say on the, on the mirror, right? What, I've been closer than there, yeah, exactly. Yeah. No, right now, Ocho, you're not that close. And I'm even further back than you. Don't worry about it. I'm a, I'm a catch up.
Starting point is 00:20:47 Oh, I definitely go catch you. Hey, hey, put. No, y'all might catch me because I got BYU going a little far, but. I mean, I mean, Joe, you're right. I mean, you did good today. What you did today today? I mean, you did it good today, Joe. You did real good today, huh?
Starting point is 00:21:02 Hey, it ain't gonna look like that tomorrow. You creep. Hey, hey, hey, hey, chill, chill, chill, don't look like that tomorrow. Hey, boy, I'm cutting up down there, uh, what we had down in the mid-west? Hey, eight, eight cuffed and play tomorrow at 9.30, on, Joe? Hey, what's up, Joe?
Starting point is 00:21:18 I'm just, I'm just asking how you feel. Don't be, don't be no janky brother, man. You know what I mean? I ain't be no janky, brother. I'm just asking you how you feel about your team, Joe. Yeah, I feel great. What's you mean? We locked in, right now.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Hey, hey, my boy. I'm locked in, man. Okay. I'm not being negative. I'm just asking how you feeling. You might be a little nervous. You might have butterflies in your stomach. That's all?
Starting point is 00:21:39 That's a good thing, though. I don't mind the butterflies. It let me know, you know. I'm ready for the moment. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, you know pressure bust pipes, huh?
Starting point is 00:21:49 It also make diamonds, homie. Yeah, it do. It do. Yeah. So which one are you? Who me? Yeah. Joe, I'm the one that talk all the shit,
Starting point is 00:21:58 so you know, pressure don't mean. Yeah. So when there's pressure. Joe, you do it's pressure. Joe, I mean, your bracket looking real good, Joe. I ain't going to hold you. Yeah, I appreciate it. I appreciate you.
Starting point is 00:22:08 Look, why it be so hard for guys to compliment other guys? Like, just say, man, you did a great guy. It's so hard. Why is that so hard for you or Ocho? Uh-huh. Joe, the tournament just started. Why am I compliment you in the tournament just started? These rounds count, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Yeah, they count, but it's about, hey, Joe, this ain't no sprint. It's a marathon. Okay, you're right. Well, we clap. We claping too early. The fat lady didn't even sing yet. Right. Hey, look, I like to keep my hopes up hotter.
Starting point is 00:22:38 I ain't going to lie to you. I like to feel good. I like to feel good when I'm playing the game. I like, you know what I mean? I like to be out in front. I don't mind leading the charge. You know what I'm saying? Right.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Yeah. Yeah, I like to be out in front. And you know what happened when you run that goddamn 400 or that 800, huh? And you get out there too goddamn fast. You know what happened? What happened? What happened? That monkey jump on your back.
Starting point is 00:22:58 That's what happened. Yeah. Yeah. That monkey jump. with your back, boy. And that lactic acid build up, boy, hey. And all you hear, Joe, you hear the crowd say, woo, whoo, who, who, I'm coming.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Joe, you read track, Joe. Nah, all I did. That's all I did, Joe. That's all I did. I was around my homies when they played on the neighborhood baseball team. I used to go to the games, but I never played when they played football.
Starting point is 00:23:30 I played football. I ain't really go to the games, but I should always hear about them. I never, I just, I only hoop, bro. When basketball came around, okay, Ojo, yeah. Even when it wasn't around, I was so locked in, man.
Starting point is 00:23:43 That's all I wanted to do. Because if you didn't know. Joe, that means you had to work. That would work, so I'm trying to play every one I can. One fall into the other. So by the time, by the time track was over, we're in a half of the month of school left,
Starting point is 00:24:05 because I'm going straight to the field. And soon as, as soon as like June, third, fourth hit, in the field, we go in. So if you didn't plan no sports, oh, you got to do something. Yeah. Yeah. Let me let you sit around on, no, no, no, no grown, no boy.
Starting point is 00:24:23 Maybe the girls, they have to do nothing, but a boy. Yeah. You wouldn't have to sit right in a moment. I got to not do nothing. Just come home every day. Oh, hell no. No song
Starting point is 00:24:35 Whoopi Woopee Yeah see Joe I got it I got it I got it I got it Oh the Indiana Pacers
Starting point is 00:24:46 Would reportedly Consider drafting Camboozer No one overall Knowing in the NBA That I've consulted Project any sort of dramatic Either Peterson or boozer When it comes to Boozer
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Starting point is 00:27:46 IHart TikTok Radio. Plus TikTok's most influential. creators all in one place. Search for iHeart TikTok Radio, make it a preset, and stay connected all day. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars, and now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game, and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football.
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Starting point is 00:28:58 Among some rival teams that the Duke Star would be Indiana's preferred selection, even if the Pacers were to come away with the number one overall pick because of the potential fit alongside Pascal Seacum and newly required Ibiza Zubat. Joe? Hey, I think he would fit. I actually think Booze would fit great with Indiana. gonna lie to y'all. I just don't know if they're gonna get the number one pick. But I can see him, I can see him playing alongside Zubok, though. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:28 A good stretch, a good stretch four. Yeah. You know what I mean? He can shoot the three. I just don't post up a little bit. I just, look, I think he's phenomenal. And there's a great chance he's going to be player of the year. But I don't know if I can take him over AJ DeBonzer.
Starting point is 00:29:44 I just see too much upside, Joe. No, I agree. I agree. You don't see the upside with Booza, though? You don't see the upside with Booza? But this kid here. Different? Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Because he's going to have the ball. Six-N-N-N-N-N-a-ball. Yeah. Sheet with the ball. Luca with the ball. Kade with the ball. Ant-Man with the ball. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:07 See, it's different when you've got the ball. He's going to have the ball. I want to see these guys. Yeah. I want to see these guys get into a situation where they can really flourish, though. Yeah. You know, I want, you know, I want, because I think these guys could be special. Some of these, some of his talent coming into the NBA this year that's going to be in this year's draft.
Starting point is 00:30:27 It's a special talent, man. But I don't want to, I don't want to see them, honestly coming off the bench being this spark plug, man. Let them do it play, man. Yeah, I just think, I think, Utah, Utah praying. There are a lot of people praying in Utah right now that they get that number one pick and get the Bonza. They're taking AJ DeBonza. They're not taking Peel. Oh, no doubt about it.
Starting point is 00:30:52 They're not taking Cam. Yeah. They're not taking anybody. They're taking AJ DeBonza. No doubt about it. No doubt about it. I just feel like they're going to get it too. What's up?
Starting point is 00:31:03 Hey, Joe, y'all don't, y'all don't think, is DeBonza that much better than Peterson? I think it better than him. And I think he's, I think it's six, nine. He'll bucket. Everybody keep talking about Peters in the bucket. DeBonza bucket. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:22 And not only that, DeBoska, AJ, he just seems like he loved playing the game. Like he really, he thoroughly enjoys it. And that goes a long way with me, Ocho. You know what I mean? I like gym rats. I'm a gym rat. I like to be in the gym. Well, it's by myself working on my game.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Well, I like guys who like to stay in the gym. Right. Yeah. When dealing with that number one pick, Ocho, you know what it is. The least amount of red flags. I can't be worried. I can't, Ocho, because as a general manager of an owner,
Starting point is 00:31:55 I'm going to want to turn my phone off at night. I don't want the coaches to have to tell me that he's not going to play, he'll little nick. I just can't worry about stuff like that because in basketball, I mean, even in football now, at the quarterback spot, Ocho, you know in three years, you're going to have to make a big old contribution. You're going to have to make a big old financial commitment.
Starting point is 00:32:15 In basketball, you're going to have to make a big old financial. your commitment. I want to be able to make that commitment with the least amount of worries as I possibly can have. Yeah. That's just me. I think DeBonza, I think DeBonzo will be the better player.
Starting point is 00:32:31 I think he's the safer. And I hate it because safe like, oh, no, no, no. I'm saying he's safe and he's really good. Yeah. I'm going to tell you who's probably going to go high. There ain't nobody really thinking. I think, obviously, I think there is Akewkin. improve his draft stock. I think he can creep into like maybe a top three pick, Uncle Ocho.
Starting point is 00:32:53 I agree with you. But, but Caleb Wilson, who was at the University of North Carolina. He's 16. He's 16 now. We're in the 16 and 611. Uncle Ocho, he can do everything. Put it on the flow, shoot the three. He's going to defend. You know, he keep receipts because he told y'all throughout the season, he got receipts. And he was going at everybody who, you know, played with him. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. So I like that about him. He's going to compete. He got a lot of talent, bro. He got a lot of upside. That's why I say, if you got a top seven pick in this draft,
Starting point is 00:33:24 you can get a good player. Boy, it's the top eight. It's some talent in this draft, bro. But, you know, it's where you go, who you coach, yes. The veteran players in your locker room that help you. Yeah. Make a huge difference. And not be on some bulljohn because they're envious.
Starting point is 00:33:51 Yeah. So it goes a long way. Draymond Green said Kay Cunningham is not going to make the all-MBA team because the dumb-ass 65-game rule. Dre said it doesn't fix the issue. Like it does not fix the issue at all. And here's a guy that's done everything right. He has a collapsed lung and he's going to miss the all-NBA team
Starting point is 00:34:11 because this dumb-ass rule. The rule does not fix the issue. It's just ridiculous. So here we go again with these unintended consequences. Because if you think about it, Joe, making the all-NBA selection, that adds another $50, $75 million. Now, Cade Cunningham is going to miss out. Hey, look, now somebody else will step in. Somebody else going to get a big old contract, old Joe.
Starting point is 00:34:41 That's how it worked. Yeah. Yeah. It's, hey, it's unfortunate because you had these unforeseen injuries, bro. Yeah. Like, I've seen an injury and it's like, dang, a collapse long? Like, bro, this basketball, that don't happen. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:34:59 And it's like now he's going to have to miss out on all these other accolades because it is, it's unfortunate, bro. I ain't going to lie to you. Now, they put the rule in because they want the guys to stop all of the rest. Oh, that load management. You know, they wanted to cut it down. But it's going to hurt some guys who don't load manage. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:35:21 Like, Cade, unfortunately. Yeah, for sure. and you see those guys, you see what it does. It gives Shay was able to get that extra money because he's an all-N-B-A selection. Jay Dubb was an all-N-A selection. So you see these guys getting this
Starting point is 00:35:37 because they wanted to reward. It's a blessing and a curse. Prior to 19, but prior to 1980, the player selected the MVP in the All-N-B-A team. Yeah. But they're like, man, y'all be tripping. I don't like you, so I ain't vote for you. so they put it, they gave it to the writers.
Starting point is 00:35:57 But now the writers have so much control. They get to determine who's going to get these two, three, four hundred million dollar contracts for whether you like it or not. Yeah, that's crazy. Oh, Cho, it's been like that in football. They select the all pro teams. They select the all pro teams.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Damn. At least the pro bowl is kind of divided up. You got the fan vote. You got the players vote. and then you got, you know, you got the coaches, general manager, whatever the case may be.
Starting point is 00:36:28 So it's the three-tier system. But all pro, it's all writers. The NBA, all NBA selection, all defensive selection, it is what it is. So there is no perfect answer.
Starting point is 00:36:46 Because if you don't think players are biased, you're fooling yourself because they're human. Right. Guys vote. For the Pro Bowl, guys vote for your bro.
Starting point is 00:37:00 I'm like, bro, how you, bro? Really? Really? That's why they took it out. I mean, look, I know, but I took it serious because I know, look, because I want guys to be rewarded for their work, Coacho. And it might just be this one year
Starting point is 00:37:19 that he had an out-of-body experience and he deserved to go to the Pro Bowl. But you want to put somebody in there that's going, he had already gone five, six times. But he did deserve it. Yeah, and nothing they can do about that rule, huh? It's too late. They voted on it.
Starting point is 00:37:39 Yeah. They voted on it. They said 65 games. That's messed up. I mean, listen, they're 65 games for those so they don't pull load management. There should be some type of, some type of grace period for those that are actually, that are actually getting injured. Right. Like, injured for real, where it doesn't affect them the same.
Starting point is 00:38:00 I mean, how did, I mean, collapse lungs? So what did he do? Was he in a car crash? No. Didn't he get knee, Joe? Didn't he get knee? Yeah, he got knee unking his side, like during the game, going for the ball. But he stayed in the game.
Starting point is 00:38:13 It wasn't like, it didn't look like nothing major. But you could see him. He kept reaching like this. Like, he was tired. He was saying something was wrong. And he went to the side. And they took him to the back. And he, you know, just a regular routine play, bro.
Starting point is 00:38:31 It takes a tremendous force to collapse. because that's why you got ribs there. Yeah, he need him. He'd need him right down there. Yeah. The Razor Banks back at work later today, baby. Woopee. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:04 Yeah, I got you. I got you, Joe. I got you. I got you. Yeah. Hopefully they don't have to put no run no tube down and inflate it. Maybe with some just rest, it'll inflate back on its own.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Hmm. Damn. But we've all had the aeronaut out of so. That's why you got to be so lucky, bro, to win, man, because it's like everything could be going great. You could be having a hell of a season. And something like this happened, Arcan Ocho, it seemed like it may be nagging, too.
Starting point is 00:39:41 I can't see how it wouldn't be a nagging, how it wouldn't linger. It says chest injuries, blunt force trauma like a car accident or sports collisions. Penetrating trauma, gunshot, stab wounds can break ribs or puncture the lung directly. small air blisters called bleaves can form on the top of the lungs and burst allowing air to escape the chest cavities this often happens without warning
Starting point is 00:40:07 particularly in a tall thin people so you guys are more susceptible because you're tall and thin you're saying hey you see that joe that come in see joe all this coming Oh, Joe, what's you over the door? Hey, he said thin. He's talking to you, Joe. He ain't talking to me. You ain't thin? Man, Joe, I'm every better to be 20 right now, Joe.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Hey, you see how I'm feeling out of this jacket, huh? Hey, you got to cheer. Oh, Joe, Joe, Cade missing time could potentially open the door for Jane Duren to make an all-N-D-A-T-T-Durton. making him eligible for the five-year $288.8 million. Ooh. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:41:00 So look, look, look, look. See, it helps somebody, help your teammate. Hey, Cade already got by what? He got by 260. I already, he designed for. What did Kaye signed for? But see, here's the thing, no, Joe. I'm trying to get me two more all-N-BA selection.
Starting point is 00:41:16 So guess what? When that contract come up again, pooh-boot, Super Max again? 300. 300. Well, that's out, that, I ain't going to say it's out of the picture, but you,
Starting point is 00:41:27 you didn't have your homeless. Yeah. Yeah. Five years 269. That's just, ugh. That's filthy. That's good work, yeah, boy.
Starting point is 00:41:40 That's good work. That's filthy. It's filthy. Kevin Durand is 26 points away from passing Michael Jordan on the all-time scoring list. Obviously, James is number 1 at 43,029. Karim is next at 38,387,
Starting point is 00:41:59 followed by Carl Malone at 36,928. Kobe Bryant is number four at 33,643. Michael Jordan is currently in the number five spot at 32,092,000 2292, followed by Kevin Durant, Dirk Noviceky, Wilk Chamberlain, James Hardin, should be the next player that break into the 30,000 club. Shack rounds out the top 10 with 28,500, 596.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Hey, congrats to Katie, man. Oh, yeah. That's impressive. I mean, y'all know MJ, my idol, to be able to pass him, I'm sure that would be a hell of a defeat for Katie. I'm happy for him. He's one of the best scores ever played this game. Super elite, super efficient.
Starting point is 00:42:46 I enjoy watching them play. They beat my Hawks tonight. No, no, no, no. They blew the hawks out of Joe. They broke eyes straight. They got, they got at us. They got at them. They got it.
Starting point is 00:42:58 They were Reed Shepard block old boy, a boy dunk, Joe. It went down here in the herd from there. Hey, Reed Shepard, he can play. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, I like, I like he go out there. He compete, he compete.
Starting point is 00:43:12 He, he'll compete. He, he'll compete. I like it. Gillespie from Phoenix. Yes. Uh, hey. ballers they're getting at it
Starting point is 00:43:22 yeah them boys hooper yeah uh I mean that's a lot of points but you know in order to hit in order they reached those milestones
Starting point is 00:43:36 you got to be available too aunt yeah I agree Ocho he couldn't fly he probably he was so peed off about the two games
Starting point is 00:43:50 against the Lakers he had to take it out on the yeah because you can't fly normally they leave you they normally leave you overnight at the hospital because K took a car service
Starting point is 00:44:03 back to Detroit because when you fly you can't fly with a collapsed lung Yeah you can't you can't fly No no no no no But they normally leave you overnight and then you know But man
Starting point is 00:44:16 But KD doing this man Look the efficiency in which he does it It's crazy It is well It's a beauty to watch though But you got guys I mean you guys talking about what he did in this amount of time,
Starting point is 00:44:32 you got to realize, look at the amount of shots that he took. It's shots. You're talking about years. I'm talking about shots. Oh, Cho, if somebody, if a quarterback throws the ball, let's just say for the sake of argument, quarterback throws the ball 50 times a game.
Starting point is 00:44:49 He should have the most passing yards at the end of the year, right? Absolutely. Throwing 50th year game, yeah. Jordan was taking 25, 26 shots a game. So what are you talking about? That's not the diminishing. But I'm saying y'all try to diminish somebody because y'all said, well, he did it in this amount of time.
Starting point is 00:45:09 But even though the amount of times, look how many shots he's under the total. That's what y'all, when y'all say, like LeBron is playing this length of time, when he broke the record, look how few of shots that he had. KD's shooting 52, 53% from the floor. It doesn't take away any. Somebody passing an all-time grade. it doesn't take away from the great that they're passing. Because he did that. Jordan got,
Starting point is 00:45:37 you cannot take six titles. You can't take five MVP's. You can't take 10 scoring titles. You can't take the all NBA selections and you can't take the six final MVP's. But if you are an athlete and you pass somebody that's this story. Right. Bro, that's why you hear him say, bro. My name's going to be.
Starting point is 00:46:01 in this list. Yeah, yeah. They got to celebrate it. Yes. We got to celebrate them, especially when you hit a milestone like that. No matter how you feel about Katie, whether you don't like him personally, whether you don't like his game,
Starting point is 00:46:17 top five, whatever it may be. You got to celebrate, you know, someone doing something like that. And it's okay. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the cloth guys is that, whatever I do, it does not take away from what Ozzy did, what John Mackey,
Starting point is 00:46:37 what Dicker, what Big Kellan did. What Gronk is done, what Gates, what Neff Kelsey is done, a Witten. That don't take away from me. I did what I did. Congratulations to those guys. I don't feel like, man, do you feel, no.
Starting point is 00:46:55 I got everything out of my career I could get. That's what, that's what my numbers were intended to be. That. So them breaking pasting me And when I left, I was number one Hell, I don't know where I'm now Gelsies past me Witness past me
Starting point is 00:47:09 Gates has passed me Gonzo has passed me Hell somebody else's about to pass me Pretty soon That's okay I don't feel any less Because these guys are passing me About my career
Starting point is 00:47:22 And I don't think anybody should feel Man, man Them joke with them pass me, man What people are going to say? Huh? Yeah. Kareem, like, people didn't think nobody could get this record because only Biggs played that long.
Starting point is 00:47:40 Because they were the ones that didn't have, you know, hey, go back and look at Kareem. Hey, Kareem get rebound, kick that thing. Amble down the coat. Yeah. Give it to me magic. Yeah. Or the sky hook.
Starting point is 00:47:54 But for a guard, a guy that, like, LeBron, to have the ball that length of time and to play that long, that's why nobody thought, because what, thank you about what you have to do. LeBron had the average 25 points a game for 20 years. For 20. People don't understand how insane that is.
Starting point is 00:48:18 So when you look at Brady and look at the records, I mean, think about how long you would have to play just to break his passing record, his touchdowns record. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to be able to, it's going to be a, they're going to 17 games. and they're going to go eventually going to get to an 18 game. So, Ocho, so when you think about it, a guy played 15 years,
Starting point is 00:48:35 that's basically two seasons right there of games. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So when you look at a guy play, guy play 15, play, you know, 17 seasons, he's going to end up playing basically three more seasons.
Starting point is 00:48:54 So now the number is going to be skewed, but it don't take away anything, guys. It doesn't. No, no. Hey, but I think I think LeBron going to continue to play guys because he won't put this out of reach. He does. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:09 He may not never come out and see it, but I promise you he won't put this out of reach. I told somebody I think he's going to play 25 seasons. Do you really? You heard Kevin the Rand. Kevin the Rand says if he really wants to, that's up to him. But he can play another four or five years.
Starting point is 00:49:23 He can play until he's 45. Yeah. I think it's just more of the, the demanding on the body if you want to continue to have to go through them, you know, them tough workouts or continue to stay disciplined. And Joe, do you still want to put that time? It's easy to put that in when you're making $55 million. Do you want to put that same kind of time in when you're making a million five, $2 million,
Starting point is 00:49:45 $3 million, or the minimum minimum? Mid-level exception. Do you still want to do that dead, though, Joe? And if them endorsement is right, I'm sure he will. He got that on lock. That ain't going to way. That ain't going to way. You know, he got the Nike deal.
Starting point is 00:50:00 He has other stuff going on. So he's going to have money coming in. He got a lifetime contract with Nike. That's probably playing him $25, $30 billion a year for long as he's breathing. Hey, hey, and I've been seeing him in his golf bag, too, I see that up. Yeah. He picked that up. I guess he's like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:50:20 Hey, and when you hit the road, he picked up a little late. He probably should get on that thing like Steph. way, way early. But the thing is with golf is that you got to play it so much they really get good at it. It ain't something that you can nail it down and like, okay, I pick it back up in two weeks, three weeks. You got to be obsessed with it.
Starting point is 00:50:40 And it takes years, Joe, you know? It takes years of good at it, especially if it's not your respective craft. But, hey, hey, Joe. These dudes be, hey, my homies be at the golf course, bro, eight hours. Okay, old joke. Out of the day.
Starting point is 00:50:55 You got to. Eight hours, bro. You got to. And it takes guys, if you look at the guys that are good, it got guys that don't have this. You look at the guy, the quarterbacks, quarterbacks don't develop their shoulders. You look at the basketball players.
Starting point is 00:51:11 You look at the baseball player. You look at the guys that don't develop their shoulders because you've got to be fluid. I'm too tight. I only go to be able to go back so far. You got to be able to be loose through here, man. You need, you don't need no abs, you need a little good. Yeah, yeah, it's all in the head.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Yeah, you need, that's what you need. But man, this is amazing accounting, man, to see Kevin and Red. I bet you if you'd ask KD, you know, he's like his goal. I want to play in the NBA, blah, blah, blah. It's like, but when you retire, you're going to be in the top, you're going to be top five score. Man, what? And the history of the game?
Starting point is 00:51:57 Right. And you see those great names that's up. up there and you start from zero. Yeah. Man, because when you first started playing the game, Uncle Ocho, you just want to show you belong, bro. You ain't thinking about, oh man, I'm going to try to be a top ten score in the NBA. Right.
Starting point is 00:52:16 You just want to show you belong and then as the journey continues, you know, you start to receive all these different accolades and you're like, hold on. Now he ain't reached. He's going to pass MJ. Oh, man, come on. It's like some things like when you just say MJ or you in a conversation with man, you tie Wilk, Wilt, M.J. What?
Starting point is 00:52:38 That's greatness. It's like, if you're a quarterback and you did something, you up there with Brady, you up there with Manning. Like, damn. Okay. Yeah. When somebody said Mike Cabin's got 11 consecutive thousand-yard season, he tied Jerry Rice.
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