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Episode Date: January 6, 2026

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I believe in that solely. So listen to good luck with that on IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Joe, according to Shams, four-time NBA All-Star, Tray Young, and his agent are working with the team on a trade. Young's rep and the Hawks general manager, Ansi Salah, have reportedly begun

positive and collaborative talks over the past week on finding a resolution. The Hawks and Young agents have maintained dialogue over the future of his future over the past several months. Since the franchise elected not to offer the contract extension to a 27-year-old guard, Young has this season and next at $95 million total on the deal with a player option in the offseason. Young has been the face of the franchise since he was drafted in 2018

and since as the team's all-time leader in three-points, three-pointers and assists. He has led and led to the postseason three times in his eight years, including a run in the Eastern Conference finals in 2021. But the Hawks appear poised to turn the page to a new era with the emergence of Jalen Johnson, who's averaging 24 points a game, 10.2 rebounds and 8.5 assists, and free agent acquisition to kill Alexander Walker,

who's averaging a career high 20 points. Joe, what is the best trade scenario for the Hawks and trade at this point? I've been Okay, Ocho, I've been hearing a lot I'm honestly, honestly, I don't know what's the best trade scenario, but due to, you know,

Nikiel Alexander, you know, he's stepped up, he's been playing, I mean, he's having a career season. You get guys like Vic come off the bench, the Daniels kid who's been playing. Dyson Daniels. Dyson Daniels, but I think we run into kind of a similar situation

that Dallas ran into. They didn't want to pay Luca no $300 million. And I think this is kind of similar. I don't think that the Hawks don't want, Trey. I just don't think they want to make that at their max dollar number. You know what I mean? So instead of probably letting them just walk, they're going to have to trade them. They're going to have to trade them and get some of value for him.

I'm with the players where I want guys to get their money. And at the end of the day, I know Trey want to get paid. So, you know, I'm sure they're going to figure out a situation to put him in to where he can, you know, still thrive, do his thing and get paid at the end of the day. The problem that they're going to run into, Joe and Ocho, is that teams are going to be unwilling to give up young pieces for you to get back because he wants to go to a situation where he can win. It'll be like if you're not careful, you're like Carmelo. Carmelo left the Nuggets to go to the Knicks, but the Nix had to give up all the pieces to get him. And so we got there, there was nothing. This is not a situation where, you know, like a KD,

KD walked into the Golden State. They still had clay, they still had Steph, and they still had Draymond. Yeah. They still had to get into, they still had pieces around. And when you trade All-Star, I mean, normally you have to, you got to strip it down.

And who wants to be stripped down and go into that situation? Man, I've been. I mean, I can only go off the things I've been seeing in here. But I've seen him going to the Wizards for C.J. McCullum just because the contracts work out. And CJ will be on the expiring contract. So the Hawks will probably take it. But you never know. I'm telling you, it's going to be some big moves made around here, man, come February in the NBA.

It's going to be some big names. It's going to be moved. And at the end of the day, bro, just. Trey got to keep, he got to stay strong in faith, bro, keep his head right. But I know he want to get paid. Out of anything, I know he want to get paid. Because he's looking at it like, man, I've been to four, I've been to four All-Star games.

I've been an all-N-B-A selection. I've led the league and assists. I've been a 2010 guy. Numerance of time. Yeah, I've had a career high. I think I've averaged 27, 28 points a game while averaging double-digit assist. And I see guys getting $250, $300 million. I want my slice of it.

And I can't say that I blame him. Yeah, I don't either. But who is going to, where can he get, where can he get that? Because I don't, I mean, you, I mean, for you to win with a small guard as your lead guy, it ain't happened very often. It's not, it doesn't happen very often. I mean, if you go back, you look at stealth. You look at Isaiah Thomas, Iverson. I mean, when you look at, I mean,

Iverson lost the shack and ain't no shame in losing the shack in Kobe when you're a one-man show. But for the most part, small guards, you're not winning with them, Joe. You're not six, six foot. I mean, if Trey's lucky to be six, six foot guards in today's game? Yeah.

Yeah, today's game is a little different. You're playing positionless basketball. all, okay, Ojo. These dudes, it's not necessarily, it's not a handful of teams who really have a center on their team. The rest of them playing with like-sized guys who are very interchangeable

and can play multiple positions. Right. You know what I mean? So, and the Hawks kind of have that. And they've been pretty successful, you know, in playing those big lineups. So, I mean, it's unfortunate, bro, but I'm sure they're probably going to end up trading.

I just hope he goes to a situation that's suitable for him, but for a winning situation, Arcan Ocho? I don't know many teams. Go ahead. He can go ahead, Ocho. I was going to ask,

no, I'm getting my basketball knowledge on, so I've been watching a little bit seeing what's going on with the NBA, understanding the landscape, and when I look at it, even though he's short and what he does, I know he's a liability on defense, but what about what he brings for you offensively?

His offensive production is much, much higher than most at his position, even though he is short, wouldn't that be advantageous for a team to be able to trade for him? Based on what he can do offensively, even though he's the liability on defense? I think offensively, Ocho, I don't have no problem with him offensively because he makes guys around him better. You know what I mean? He's a guy who can go out there and get you 30. He can go out and get you 15, 17 assists with it.

You know what I mean? So he can make guys around him better. I think it's more so the defensive end that the team. going to have to kind of make up, you know what I mean? But I think he's a hell of a player, bro. And I've been watching for quite some time. And like I said, these guys have made quantitative leaps and bounds, meaning the Atlanta Hawks.

But I just feel like with Trey out there, bro, I thought that he would bring an element to him that they all would still thrive. And I've been watching the games when he's been playing, and they just hadn't been resulting in the wins. But they've been putting up monster numbers, bro. I got a question. I got a question, too.

Now, you got Jamborant, right? Yeah. You got Trey Young. My Young, New York Knicks, Boy Guard. Brunson. Brunson. Now, if I'm not mistaken,

is Brunson like this elite, elite defender? But he's a score. In John Morant, an elite defender? No, but what they did is his score. Elite defenders around him. You look at it.

at you look at what Josh Hart, you look at OG, you look at Mitchell Robinson, McKell Bridges, you see what they surrounded with, elite defenders. You look at, you look what they had in Memphis. They had Dylan Brooks. They had Jackson, the third. You had a Stephen Adams and now you got Edie. So yeah, but see the thing is, it's hard,

it's hard to win when you got three for defenders on there, unless you got guys like, uh, uh, uh, okay. But those guys can score and defend. And the thing is that they understand this is Shay's team. J. Dub is number two. Chet's number three. Everybody understands the pecking order.

And it's like when we come in, if we want to get shots, we gotta defend at an elite level. Yeah. They defense, they defense create offensive opportunities. Yeah. She's taking the most shots. She's all, most of them. If they play 82 games, the game that Shea play,

he's going to take the most shots damn it every night. Right. No matter what. So you understand that, but it's just hard. You look at Luke is another one. And see, the problem is if it's a nip-tuck ball game, I'm putting Trey in the pick and roll every night. The whole night in the clutch time,

the last five minutes of the ball game, the game within five points, Trey Young ass is in Pick and Roll. could dodge's asses in pick and roll Oscar Reeves asses and pick and roll yeah it's almost damn to unfair that you these players that are

that give you such high volume and such high offensive output it's almost like they villainized for being able to do it because something has to give you can't be both on you can't be great on both ends of the floor yes you can't I mean Joe it's only so

many. I know. I know it's only so many, but Ocho, I think the effort, the energy and effort has to be. Like Joe says, it's effort. You got to want to play defense. Man, you got to play defense, bro. Like, you got to want to do that. You know what I mean? Like, that's got to be kind of in you. And it's hard to find, bro. It's hard to find guys who really want to defend. Everybody so caught up and scoring the basketball, making a sweet pass. But you ain't going to never find a lot of dudes who want to pick up full court and get down and dirty and play defense, bro. That's hard to find. Because those guys don't get max contracts to do that.

The shades get max contract. The Lucas, the Yokicists, the Yonnasies, those guys get the max contract. The Jason Tatum. Those are the guys that get the max contract. So, Ocho, it's just like, wide receivers. Who gets the max contract? Guys that catch the football, not blockers. They get the football, not the blocker.

Yeah, I got you. Hey, hey, look, you look at them teams that Irish and players. on that Philly team. It was all the defenders, he was the only offense. And he was the only one out there going, hey, why, he could shoot a shot he wanted to. You know what I mean? He didn't need somebody to take the ball out for it.

Somebody got to take the ball out, Ocho. DeKibbitt wasn't trying to get no shots. Tyrone Hill wasn't trying to get no shots. Eric Snow wasn't trying to get no shots. McKee wasn't trying to get no. Hey, no. Your job is to get the ball off the glass and pitch it back out to me if I miss.

Yeah. Hey, you laughing. Hey, Ocho, you laughing, but he had all blue collar workers, bro. Yeah. I'm talking about dudes doing all the dirty work, all the dirty work. Man, that's crazy. So you can't play like that now, eh? It's over with it.

Nah, that money. That money doesn't got, look, I think guys want to win, but I think guys want to get paid more. I want to get, I want to win, oh, Cho and Joe, but I want to win trying to get 25 and seven. Can I do that? I ain't really tried to win to get 10. And see, the thing is, it's going to be hard, Ocho, because it's just like anything.

How you ask a receiver to go from catching 100 balls, 90, 100, 110 balls, all of a sudden, we need you to catch 50. But you're going to win. Damn, damn, that. Right. Now, if you get him coming in, and that's what he's used to, he's cool with it.

Right. But you get him to start out. Trey Young's average 27 points and 10, 11 assists. You don't let him get to the All-Star game, being all the NBA selection, averaging 25, 27. And now all of a sudden you say, now, you know, we need you to average 18,

but we need to play a little. Oh, no. Yeah. But I think wherever he do go, I think he's going to thrive, though. He's going to get back to, he's going to get back to that 25, 27 points of game, let him assist wherever he go,

because he's probably going to have to go play with a bunch of young guys if I'm just keeping it 100. Yeah, he's going to be. pull up from anywhere. I just think the thing, Joe, it's going to be hard for him to be in a winning situation and play the style that he used to play in. Yeah. Yeah.

We'll see. It's hard, man. It's hard. A six one. Now, KD. Change teams. Okay, you know what KD is. KD is extremely efficient.

KD don't need, but somewhere between 12 and 17 shots to get you 30. Yonis, you know, Yonis is efficient because Yonis is Eurostepping and he dunked. Every once in a while he'll get hot and hit turnarounds. But you know what you get in. But you know what you get in with those guys. It's hard, man, it's just hard. And I feel bad because when you look at it

the way the landscape is around the league, I'm trying to look where he can go and be in a winning situation and still be himself. That place he can go and get those numbers. But I don't know if you're going to be able to challenge for a championship. I mean, he can go to a winning situation. situation, it may not be 25 and 10. Now, he may go.

About 20, 20, and 8, but I just feel like because, even though he's so great in handling the basketball and making plays for himself and others, I feel like he can play off the ball as well. Like, I've seen him play, I've seen multiple games this year to where he's had, you know, big scoring nights, you know, playing off Jalen Johnson versus Jalen Johnson playing off him as well. So it's kind of, it's like, it's just the games that they played, they haven't been. been winning.

You know what I mean? The worst thing to happen is that he got injured and they got a long, extensive look at Jalen Johnson. They got a long, extensive look at those other guys. Ocho, that's why starting quarterbacks

don't like to get no backups, no reps. Payton ain't let nobody get no reps. Tom wasn't letting nobody get no reps. Drew wasn't letting anybody get the damn reps because the last thing. I know how I got my black ass on the field. Oh, excuse me, my white ass on the field because somebody let me get a look.

I ain't tried to do that. So him being out hurt him, but it was a blessing for the Hawks because they're like, hold on. I don't know if Jalen Johnson would have been able to do this if Trey's healthy because Trey's going to dominate the ball, Joe, and he's going to have the ball in his hands. And I don't know if Jalen Johnson is going to have the ball in his hands. I don't know if these other guys are Walker. I don't know if they're going to be able to do what they do. I think

Walker's been the biggest surprise Uncle Ocho he averaged eight points last year a game in Minnesota that man averaging 20 points a game I'm talking about

yes and he came up a bitch if he's still coming up to pitch he's starting now Joe now he's starting now he's starting now he's balling

he's doing his thing man they got a multitude dudes that's really getting to it over here playing great probably having career years as well so I guess they're gonna kind of

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We created good luck with that because we want to share our experience of existing in the industry that wasn't always built for everyone. So listen to good luck with that on IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Damn. Joe, the New York Knicks owner James Dolan in a rare radio interview says the Knicks

can win the NBA finals as constructed. I'd say we want to get to the finals and we should win the finals. This is sports. Anything can happen. Getting to the finals, we absolutely have to do. Winning the finals, we should do.

Look, how far are we got with our group last year? And look at what's playing and who wasn't? We're going into the second half of the season. Josh Hart is still out. Landry Shannon is coming back. We got depth. We stay healthy. We'll get into the playoffs in a much better condition than last year.

Joe, do you believe the Knicks that is currently constructed can get to and win the NBA championship? I think they can get to the finals. in Ocho. You know, like the key word is that he said was staying healthy. You know, you got to stay healthy, man. The playoffs is a different atmosphere. It's a different pace and game.

Guys playing extra hard. So, you know, you got to say healthy. But at the same time, man, you got to look at the pistons, the Celtics, who we didn't even think was going to even be in the running. Jaylon Brunson. I mean, Jalen Brown. Woo, J.B. Brown.

Yeah. Got a 50 p. He's doing the average of damn near 30. Yeah, ever since he got to, since she stopped putting their airport. Yeah, he let it go. Yeah, he's been getting to it. So, uh, I think, yeah, I think the Knicks got a chance, man.

They got, they definitely got a chance. They got, they got Molly Wapped in, in Detroit tonight, but I think they definitely got a chance, man. They got a chance. Yeah, I agree. Uh, I like the Sixers, but I just don't know if Joel and B will ever be what Joel and B once was. Because Tyreeze Max and Edgecom, they balling. They balling, man.

Who, Tyree's Maxie. I like that. Should be an all-star. Yeah, sure, he is. He's going to be a whole NBA. They may have him 30 a game. He's getting at it. Yeah.

Maxie. Yeah. It don't matter if MB play or not, though. He's getting to it, Ocho. I don't know if they can get to the championship without Embed. I don't know if they can contend because they need him. Yeah, they need him. They need him.

If he, if he can somehow, you know, stay healthy throughout the playoffs and just be, and be there to where, like, because even when he's been playing Uncle Ocho, Joe, he's still been giving them anywhere from 20, 25 a night. Yeah. And B has. Easy. Right now, the Pistons, 27 and 9. The Celtics are 23 and 12.

They're in second place. The Knicks are 23 and 13. The Raptors, 22 and 15. The Sixers are 19 and 15. Orlando Magic is 20 and 16. The Heat 20 and 16. The Cavaliers are 20 and 17. I don't know what happens to the Cavaliers this year.

What happened, Joe? Man, I don't need, you know, because it's, uh, I look at Mowgli. I think Mowgli has to, he, he got to go up another level or two for me, Anka-Ocho, to help, to help Donovan. I know there's Garland been hurt, and I think he, you know, he stubbed that big toe the other night. So I think that's always, the, the injuries going to always linger with him. But Donovan need help, man. He needs something, but he, he's going to need another guy who can come along and help tote this wagon.

Yeah. I don't know. Cleveland, it might be over with that. It might be over with for that, man. And Donovan still, that is signed Donovan to a long-term deal, have it? I think he's still on it. I think he's still in that Utah deal. Is it?

I think Donovan probably want to go somewhere else anyway. Do you want to go to the Knicks? Yeah, that's where he want to go. You said Miami? Nah. Hold on. How are you going to go to the Knicks and Brunson there? What are you going to run to?

He need the ball in his hands. They don't fit. Well, he can't go to the Knicks. He's trying to extension last summer. What did he get? Aside three year 150. Oh, yeah. That was last year?

No, he ain't Brunson because he needs the ball. Yeah. Brunson needs the ball. The Knicks got a chance. They do. They do. They got a chance. They got dealt.

I know you got guys that can defend. You got Mikel Bridges, you got OG. You got Josh. who can defend. You get guys Miles McBride off the bench. You got Jordan Clarkson off the bench that can score one in a bunch. You got Mitchell Robinson that can defend the paint. And Kat.

Cat. Cat, you know, cat on a given night can go get your 40. I just wish sometimes he stops shooting threes and get his big butt down on block itself, but hey. Hey, and you know they still hung over from the end season tournament that they won too. so I know they're feeling good about that. Hold on. Y'all mentioned about the players that,

the actual starters that can get your points and what they could do. What about the bench? What the bench is going to do? They got Miles McBride, Jordan Clark, Mitchell Robinson. They got guys that can come up to bench. Defender paint.

You know, McKell Bridge is going to play down there 45 minutes. Well, hopefully Mike Brown don't play them like Philb's there because you play them guys 42 minutes in the regular season. Yeah, no. He got it. Mike Brown got it down. He ain't having that over there. I forgot, I forgot Jordan Clarkson was over there in New York. Yeah, he's a dog.

So he's a guy that can come off and give you instant offense off the bench. Miles McBride is instant offense off the bench. Mitchell Robinson, now, he's a defender, but he'll get your double-digit rebounds. He might have six points 15 rebounds. But that's what you need. You need somebody to protect the paint. That's what, that's all you need. Cat is going to be cat.

Now, he's in a much better headspace now. Look, he got engaged recently. So normally that normally, a guys normally go to a new level when they get, when they get to and they get that someone solid in their life. Now, they've been together for a minute and remember talking to him, I mean, he was like, you know, this is my best friend. When I went through my worst time, you know, the passing of his mother, she was there.

She held me down, and he said the same thing. And I think her father, her, her, uh, have passed in the family. And he was there for her. So, yeah, I'm happy for cat. I like cat. wish you stopped shooting so many threes. Other than that, I got no issue with cat. He ain't going to do that.

He said he's the best shooting big man that ever lived. Why is Dirk had to this? Dirk. Naviski. What did you mean where he is? He and down. I'm saying, did he not exist?

He said, he said, Dirk can't shoot the three better than him. Oh, Lord. I understand you what the man said. I don't know. It's hard for me to take somebody over Dirk when I saw Dirk in his prime. I played against him in his prime. I ain't talking about the last three years of Dirk.

I'm talking about Dirk a year. I'm talking about it. I'm talking about when you're getting it at money. Yeah. I'm talking about you. The only thing you can do is hold your hand up and hope he missed. Yeah, that was it. And we ain't even mention Yoke yet, but we're going to let that slide.

Despite recently celebrating his 44th, 31st birthday, and his 23rd NBA season. LeBron James thinks his game is still as strong as it's ever been. Speaking to reporters after Sunday's 121-14 win over the Grizzly, LeBron said, I don't have any holes in my game. That has allowed him to help the Lakers be successful this season. That statement came after LeBron moved in the second place in the NBA All-Times assist list when you combined the regular season

and playoff games surpassing banana boat partner Chris Paul. But you have to, look, when LeBron didn't have an outside game when he got to the lead. In order for you to play a long time, when the game has evolved, you have to evolve and adapt with it. He's been able to do that with Joe. Yeah.

He was made a downhill guy. He went to Keem. He went to Houston. He got that turnaround. He got better at the three. Now his three is a little off this year. He's shooting 30% when he's a career, I think 35% shooter. I think last year was like 37%.

So this year, His free throws are down. His free throws under 70% when I think he's shot 78% last year. But you got to realize you're asking him to do something that he really hadn't done his whole career. And that's playoff the ball. LeBron normally has the ball in his hands.

The majority of the time, Luca, or AR will have the ball in their hands. So he's having to reinvent himself in year 23 at the right page of 41. Does he have the athleticism that he had in his 20s? No. Does he have the athleticism he had this early in the mid-30s? No.

But he still got some. He still could get down hill when he wants to. He just can't get down as consistently as he once could. He still hit that turnaround jump. And if the turnaround jump is falling, you had his mercy. But the thing is, Ocho, he playing from the shoulders up. Yes. Why the rest of the dude playing from the shoulders down.

See, his IQ for the game. is so high, you know, he's so intelligent as a player that he's always going to be effective. He knows how to affect the game. You know, he lets the game kind of come to him now. Sometimes he's a little bit more aggressive, but for the most part, he kind of feels the game out, and he kind of brings what he feels the game, what he feel is needed in order for them to get over the hump. It's still impressive to watch and play, man. He still looks like he's in great shape.

And for me, that's probably the biggest key, Arkansas and Ocho, because once you get up in age, It's hard to keep that weight off you. It is. Hey, who are you telling? Look. I think, it is, Joe. It's also hard.

As you get older, the biggest thing that I noticed when I got older, I just couldn't do it with the same frequency as I once could. I could have a big game. But I'm going to put them things

that I wasn't going to be stringing them together. LeBron used to go 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 40, 40, 30, 25, 28. Now, is 17, it's 8, 26, 28, 15, it's just as you get older, you just can't, your body just, and you still got the same mind. Yeah, he don't, but you know what it is,

he don't, he don't be pressing out there. No, you know, he, he looks for those other guys to get those other guys involved to where the game can become easier for him. You know what I mean? So I think it's just as impressive to watch him nowadays And it was when he was younger Because when he was younger, he was all athleticism. He was using that to the tee.

Now he's just outsmarting these guys now, man. And that's what happens. You have to evolve and you have to play the game with your mind Because you lose athleticism. And when you're so reliant on that, when that goes, what can you do? That's why it's so hard. Right.

For speed guys to play, I mean, that's why I take, work on your technique. because you're not going to be as fast, you're not going to be as strong, you're not going to be able to jump as high. But that technique, being able to get in and out of them breaks, Ocho?

Oh, yeah. Gotta keep in the league or another year through. Oh, yeah. Man, Joe, I didn't, hey, Ocho, I didn't know this. Joe, let me know if this true. If you play three years in the league,

you get, what, medical. You play four years in the league, your family get it. You play five years in the league. Everybody get it. for life. It's something like that. It's something like that.

I don't know about the three, four years, but I know. Because I saw Yala Selly. He had the Knicks. He was saying that's why he's going to play in the NBA. Oh, for the medical. Yes. Hey, look, the medical benefits have been good. If that's what you all want to know, they've been good.

I ain't going to lie to you, boy. Damn. They don't get down. They don't hook y'all up in football like that. You get five years, Joe. The first five years when you got. No, the three years you get your pension. Four years is medical.

And five years, the family get medical forever. I'm talking about all you saying? Yes, yes, in the NBA. Y'all got, no, we don't get that. No matter how long you play, you get it for five years. That's it. You get it while you're playing and five years after you play. You get to take it any five years you want to.

Hey, there, it's a cold game, what? Hey. But, look, it's been impressive to watch. A lot of people are going to have to come up with some new podcasts because they're going to be no more hating on LeBron because what are they going to say to you? Yeah. And they're going to, hey, let me tell you something. They're going to miss that man when he's gone, bro.

Like, I know people talk a lot of trash. He got a lot of people who love him and love him, but he also got people who hate him as well. But boy, I'm telling you, they're going to miss that boy when he's gone. They're going to miss him. But look, that's what we are right now. Look, I mean, he's 41. He ain't getting no younger. He wants to stay in the game.

You have to evolve your game. You have to evolve. And I can't believe people expecting the man 41 years old until he don't play no defense. What 41? Let me ask you a question. When Ben Wallace was 35, was he playing defense like he was when he was 25, 26? Did Kimbey Mutumbo?

Was he playing defense like he was? What about Rodman? So you mean to tell him you expect somebody in their 40 to play defense like they did in the 20s and the early 30s? Come on, chat. Well, you know, they hold, you know they hold LeBron to a different standard. And the real fact that y'all got those kind of expectations let you know just how great he was. Yeah. Because let's be real.

Y'all didn't have the same level of expectation of Kobe, you're 16, you're 17, you're 18, you're 19, you're 20. George, what y'all tell you? Man, that was just ceremony. Oh, but I said, well, if he didn't want a championship, would have been a ceremonial ring? No. But, LeBron, he's just got a different level of expectation. That's when you know you great.

When people still see you like you were when you was 20. When you're your 20s and early 30s, Ocho, and they still hold you to that standard. That's when you know you great. Yeah. When they feel like it ain't never supposed to be no difference, Yep, nothing. And we've no seen it.

Tom Brady, Manning, they had the same expectation. When Tom was in year, what, 23, 21, 22, 23. Man, Tom should go to, Marty, you do realize the man 43, 44. And you still expect him to be out of it? Yep.

Man, the man, they gave Peyton Manning a 10% chance to ever be able to have the full feeling in his right arm. Well, he paid Manning. Damn. I ain't give him no grace. Nope. When you're great, they expect you to be great forever.

You think they don't give a, they don't give a Ronaldo or Cristiano Ronaldo any great. Leeway, do the Ocho. They expect you to be great. Leo de Messie. No leeway. They're expecting, yeah, the expectations are high for them. With the amount of money,

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So listen to good luck with that on IHeart Radio Act, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Bleacher Report released their rankings of the most overrated players in the NBA. Number five was Michael Porter, Jr. Number four with Jonathan Cominga. Number three with Jerry McLean, the 76ers. Number two, Pollo Ben Carroll. That's a blue job.

Number one, lamello ball. Ocho? Joe, let me go to you first. Hold on. They get right, Ocho, or Joe, what did they get wrong? They say Michael Porter, Jr. overrated. That man averaged almost 26 a game, man. Man, that man over there ball.

He told you all what he's going to do. He said he was going to average about 25. He ever after about 26 a game. He just gave the Nuggets to business last night. I don't think they write on that one. They got that one that one that wrong. What about Cominga? Say he's overrated.

I don't think Caminga overrated. I think he needs to be in a situation where, you know, he can play, actually. I mean, Kerr just ain't messing with it. I don't know. Now, they're trying. Why just let not let him go? Why are you bringing back, y'all do all this hullabal loo and bring it back to just sit and park his ass on the bench?

Because it's like that, it's like that ex-girl when y'all broke up. You don't want nobody else to happen. You don't want them, but you don't want nobody else to happen. You, y'all don't bro. Hey, oh, Joe, y'all don't broke up so you ain't seen it in a little while so when you see it again, you're like, oh, okay, we might make this work. You kidding me. They just ain't playing them.

What you do with? They call you, you ain't heard from somebody in three months. What you doing? Not talking to you. Not you. You know you missed me big head. right you know they thought they big they're big in there well you know kind of

then they got paulo back caro and then was number two and lamello ball was number one but i don't know about paolo man paulo balling and he be bawling i don't think his numbers ain't been what they were what they were last year when he was an all-star huh yeah they ain't they ain't been there and i think because Lamello ain't never won being in Charlotte. Everybody got him overrated.

And Lamello, hey, Joe, a lamello or baller, man. Yeah. Yeah, he'll hear who, he's a, he's a, listen, he's the, when you talk about Hoopers, he's that. Every essence of it, you know, maybe a little flashy for some coaches,

but, hey, listen, he's a joy to watch. He's a player that have put butts in the seats because if you're going to watch the goddamn hornets play, you're going to watch motherfucker LeMello. Yeah. He's going to give you some highlights. But shit being stuck in Charlotte.

Ooh, all right. Yo, we don't get your basketball talk. Now we're going back to football. Oh, pro football talk reported. Russell Wilson has a parting gear for the Giants in the form of the inevitable NFL investigation regarding two, oh, excuse me, regarding an undisclosed grade two hamstring tear. He says he suffered on the last play of practice week two game again.

against Dallas. Russ responded to the report saying, not the Giants fault. They did not know because I didn't want to tell anyone because of the circumstances. I had to play through and try to go out there and ball that day. But we were going to win that wild crazy game.

Wow. Ocho, what you making this, Ocho? I mean, listen, it happens all the time, huh? Most of the time, players get hurt. Especially with concussion. Yeah, yeah. That too. Hey, Joe, they want to play.

Joe, I mean, Uncle, you know, too. You don't want to let not just yourself down. You don't want to let your teammates down. You don't. And you don't want to allow someone else to take your spot. And you drafted the quarterback in the first round on, Joe? And that's exactly why he got his ass out there on that goddamn feel. What injury he suffered in practice.

I'm not letting, I'm not letting my spot up. If I'm going to lose it, I'm not going to lose it on the bench. Right. Uh-uh. That ain't happening. Ain't happening. Hey, I'm with you on that. Hey, that little hamstring, you're going to have to take this thing up,

but you think I'm going to squander this opportunity and sit over here because I got a hurt hamstring? No. And listen, and Malesse is already short. Melisse is already short anyway because he drafted him. So I know at some point I got to go anyway, but I'm going to go on my terms. Hold on who he do this against? I think it was the last pay of practice before the Dallas game. The man threw for almost five.

He threw for $4.50, didn't he? They lost an overtime, if I'm not mistaken. He got bent. He got binsed that. He got bins to the next week after that game. He had a hell of a game, Joe. Yeah, I was watching. I couldn't believe it.

He was out there cooking, boy. That's the one Malik neighbors went crazy towards the end, huh? What did he end up with? Shit, you man threw a career high against her. That ain't saying much, though, Joe. Everybody threw a career. how it gets y'all. I'm just saying,

got the starting job for the rest of the year against y'all. You ain't lying. You ain't lying. You ain't lying. I only think they won another game after that,

Ocho. I'm with you, will you right? And my blood pressure of watching the Cowboys, man. He got, no, he got benched after the Chiefs game.

Yeah, he threw 4-50 that game against the Cowboys. Yeah. I think the thing is, look, the last two years, you know who had the biggest cap number on the Broncos, don't you? Uh, he gone on that, ain't he? Oh, yeah, okay.

Russ carried the biggest cap number against for the Broncos the last two years. He was the highest paid player and wasn't on the team. Man, he wouldn't get him. Y'all, nothing in Denver, man. What happened? I don't wait. Boy, your guess is good as mine.

Damn. You probably should be. a little leery if a team wanting to get off a quarterback because they're so hard to come by, Ocho. They are so hard to come by Joe. And for a team to be willing to trade you, you couldn't offer.

You couldn't offer. I mean, and not to say Russ was a top five quarterback, but Russ was in the MVP running for a couple of years and then he would, you know, falter down the stretch. But Russ, you could make a case that Russ was a top ten quarterback in Seattle those last couple years, Ocho.

Absolutely. That would be a great argument. That would be a great debate because he actually was. So and then I know he wanted the contract and there's like, nah, we see slippage and you know he wanted out. They found Denver. And then Sean Payton got there and all hell broke loose. Sean old school.

I don't know if you ever been around Sean, but Sean. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know Mr. Payton well. Yeah. Oh, so I know how he is. He don't play none of that. He don't play none of that.

Uh-uh. He's Parcells. You know Parcells don't play none of that. So those guys, you know, come up like that. That's how they coach. He's like that. He's like, nah, this here, no, we're not having this. And, but you gotta be strong to play for Sean.

You gotta be strong. Yeah, yeah, cause he's gonna be, he talked crazy, he talked reckless. Yeah. You remember when Bo Nick snapped on him, snapped back on him last year? You remember how he was yelling, the offensive lineman jump.

You remember in Detroit, Ocho, we talked about it. The offensive lineman jump, Russ could have sat, to the sideline. that he undressed Russ. I'm like, that's a little for Joe. Man, if you don't get out my face, how are you mad at me because he jumped?

Ain't nothing like them old school coaches, boy. Yeah. But these new guys ain't used to that. They ain't used to coaching like that, Joe, Joe. No, they can't, they can't take that. It's very fragile now. Yeah. It's very.

You got to be everybody friend. You got to tell everybody how great. they are. Hey, they shut down quick, boy. Ocho, they gone. Tua is open to a fresh start after he was benching the team's final three games of the season. When he spoke about after McDaniel's decision on December 17th, Tua declined to comment

on whether he had played his final game for the guppies. Well, his tone shifted during the team's locker room clean out today would ask if he'd like a fresh start at the events this season. That would be dope, he said. I would be good with it. Yeah, I mean, listen, listen, he's probably fed up at this point. He's given that organization, that franchise, everything they can. He's gotten hurt multiple times.

He's had concussions. And I think for him, a change of scenery would be fascinating. I think he'd welcome that. I think he'd enjoy it. He deserves that. Now, I'm not sure we can go. We can still have a fair shot. I'm not sure we can go to still have a fair shot to be a starting quarterback.

But a change of scenery would be. be good for him. I mean, you, bro. I would love, I would love from the star somewhere, but we're, we're going to start. You're a sports car in Wyoming. What you're going to do with it? You need a pickup truck.

Where are you going to go? That was a good one. That was a good one. You're a sports car in a while. I got to write that down. Hold on. I'm going to put that in my notes. I'm trying, I'm trying, I just,

I don't know. I mean, when you look around, I mean, are teams going to be willing to give compensation? He got two years still guaranteed on that contract, Ocho. Yeah. What they own? What, probably about 80 million? Oh, 90.

So he gets that regardless of the way to go, though, right? But the other team, whoever you go to, they got to pay, right? Yes. But you have dead cap money on your cap. Mm-hmm. Oh, Tua. Uh-huh. I wonder if they go on with...

He got a $56 million cap hit. If they cut him before June 1st, it's basically $100 million dead cap. Woo! No, I don't see it. I don't see a team taking on the salary. I don't. You're going to be right there with the guppas.

So what you think? Where are you going to be at? They'll probably release him, let him go pick on somebody else. Somebody else will let me look. Ocho, if I know your house about to go and floor closure, I'm just going to let, hey, unless you drop the price, I ain't going to get out of foreclosure. I know you're going to try.

I know you, I know you want him gone. I know he wants to be gone. Right. Why am I going to give you draft capital for? Okay, you take a fourth round of four? No,

let me take it. You take a fifth or six round of four? They're like, nobody's going to take on that salary. They don't want that. Yeah. Yeah. So hold on.

Let me understand this. Let's say if they do release it, right? He still gets. He still gets money. Yes. The same thing with Russ. Remember, the Broncos released him. And it's still.

still owed him $38 million. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think a change the senior would be good for him. I agree. Where? I'm not sure. Ocho Texas Tech, new quarterback won. Brandon Sorosby will be reportedly earned more in one season of NIL than the value of Shador's contract, Shador Sanders, entire four-year rookie contract.

Shadoor's four-year rookie contract is $4.6 million. Brandon Sorbsby will get an estimated $5 million from Texas Tech in one year. In 1987, SMU got the death penalty. They're the only team to receive the death penalty, which means they did away with the football program for paying players $61,000. In 2026, the Texas Tech team will pay the quarterback $5 million. I mean, listen, that's where the game is. is gone, huh? That's where it's gone.

You know, for premium passers, this is what they get. But you got to be premium. You got to be premium. Carson Beck, what, making, what, four and a half, four million this year? You know, so it's understandable, and I think that number might continue to climb, especially for that position, if you're really

good at it. We saw Levitt leave Arizona State. I think he went to Kentucky. Trinidad Chamblis is replying for a hardship. He's trying to get another year. I ain't trying to leave it right here. Them boy again,

hey, wow. Oh, GCU quarterback left from Indiana, Joe, and Ocho. Because you know, Mendoza's going. He's graded at the top quarterback

in the draft. He's about to get 45. He's fully guaranteed. His brother ain't that nice. Ain't his brother? Yep. And one of his brother. He's like,

I can beat you out. I mean, you can't have a parlorade or Chihuahua trying to get the chicken coop. Fox is going to come. Possers will go come eat the eggs. Fox is going to come eat the chicken. He is.

You better, you better have a bowl bowl or a carni corso. You better have something. Something. Damn. Damn. And, you know, players, they need to stop hitting this portal. They got 3,000 players.

Before you go to your, I think it's reported. 3,000 players in the portal, Joe. Yep, 3,500 and some change, you know, to be exact. And if you're hitting the portal, you know, for money reasons, I get it. But I hope you're not running from competition.

I hope most of these players, Joe and Unk, they're not running from school to school because they don't want to deal with competition because when you get to that next level, it ain't nowhere to run. Oh, Joe, nah. You got to compete, huh?

You're a free agent. Cincinnati got 20 million for you and the Denver Broncos got 45 what you doing exactly I hope you ain't running from competition oh cho they got that man five million dollars you're 20 years old what oh yeah oh you I know that's that's what I just said that's why I'm running to the money that's why I clarified yeah can you imagine oh cho you 20 years old and they got Oregon State say we got we got oh cho we got 500,000 But you dumb say, Ocho, we got two million.

Where are you going, Ocho? Hey, I'm going to see, I'm going to see you. I'm going to be watching. I'm going to be at the square catching a fish with that paper. Hey, the funny thing about it. At the market, yeah. Hey, hey, Joe and Uncle, this is a life lesson too. Because, you know, you see how them boys following the money, huh?

You know, this is the same way of working. like your hansjo you get a promotion you know hey come on that yeah you know the the big of the bag the bigger the attraction you're right hey i couldn't i couldn't imagine this when i was in school boy sure i could imagine it it just the numbers wasn't that big but hold up uncle ocho out of 3 000 kids in the portal all them dudes ain't trying to get no payday some of them are running running from the running from that from that. Yes. Yeah.

And you know, Joe, you think about the quarterback getting five million, 3,000 players in the portal ain't getting that kind of money. I still think there's a, that's running from competition. Listen, if you're that, if you're that boy, you're that boy no matter where you at.

You're going to be that boy no matter where you at. If you like that, like you may, like you may think you are, I ain't going no goddamn well. Nah. I think this was expected, though. Yeah.

You know, it's for guys who play in Lord D-1s who may have had a great season. Now they're going to one of these top pile five now. You see Chambers, he left Fair Estate, Ocho. He was a D-2 quarterback. Yeah, D-2 quarterback. I saw that story when they played. That was dope.

He trying to get that six years back. Because they pay good at Old Mists. You got them in the playoff this year? Can you imagine what that bag? He's going to get by three million, three, four men, Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that'll send me up.

Because I don't know how big ears, Joe. He don't look very tall, but he looked good. I mean, he threw the ball and he throw the hell out the ball on the move. Yeah, you do. And you know who I thought was small until I watched him play. God, then I thought Bryce Underwood was small. No, he's a big kid.

He's like three, six four. Man, man, you know, good one was big as hell, man. Yeah, Michigan. Yeah. Yeah. I ain't even know that. He liked Terrell Pryor. You remember Terrell Pryor?

Yeah, when he was three Raiders. And he was Cleveland too. He transitioned. He moved to wide receiver. He left the quarterback with the wide receiver at Cleveland. Got a thousand yards. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

And that boy Underwood getting a big band. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's nice now. All right. We're going to get you out of here on this one. It's time for our final segment.

Evening it's time for Q. And A. Huh? El Prade 98. The Holy Ghost Whispers done told me. Everything's going to be all right. Go Broncos. Ocho, the 1999 France World Cup was a great run of my favorite 2006 squad with Zeniting Zadon.

Was magic. What was your favorite World Cup? Oh, my favorite World Cup? Oh, that's a great question. That's a loaded question, too. Um, 1989. You know what?

The handball. Diego Maradona. With Madidona? No. Honestly, even though there have been some great World Cups, my favorite World Cup that I was actually able to be in presence for. We had to be in guitar,

France and Argentina. Oh, that was good. Oh, yeah, yeah, with a Messi and, uh, what you call him? Yes, and Boppe kept going back and forth.

I thought he had it. I thought he had it, Mottoe. I thought he had him. Yeah, yeah, he almost did. And there have been many, many World Cups that are better than that. But the fact that I was there sitting right there in the front and able to witness it, not watching it on TV is why I would make that one of my favorites. Yeah. I mean, probably 99 for me to women, the first year of the women.

You were Brandon Chastain hit that and took that. I mean, the old guard. Yeah. Meaham, Brandon Chastain. Brianna Scurry. I remember watching it. Like, what a moment.

Oh, yeah. Aaron Owens 513. I'm about to start a sports podcast. Got any advice for me on Kenocho? Yeah, you got to be really devoted. You got to spend a lot of time, bro. It ain't no, I don't feel like doing it today. even when you don't feel like you got to do it, bro.

You got to must up the energy. Every day, you see, we're about to hit, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, hey. You got to put the time in, bro. Everybody says they want to be successful, but I want to know what you're willing to sacrifice to achieve that success.

Right. It's mad at 2215, Unk and ISO. How did Joelle and B had Ocho X when he was rolling up those wires? What? When Ocho called the girls in the back, you and J. Crozier was my favorite ISO players of all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Hey, that were funny, boy.

Dang, Ocho, I feel bad. I was eight, eight, eight, eight, hey, hey, that was a classic night one. I was classic. I kept hearing people say, man, he, man, he had the girl in the Haitian hunker book. I say so now what the Haitian hunker book. Let's see, hey, hey, eh, uh,

it wasn't really, no, really no reason to feel bad for me because it was only two weeks. My home boys are warming, man. This ain't that, man. He pulled that much out of being your girl in two weeks? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, hey, listen, down here, we call him, she was, she was a goer.

Oh, okay. She was a goer. Didn't know it. You just didn't know it. No, they told me. Hey, Joe, I was young. That's why he got her so quick. Yeah, I was, I was young. But she was a baby, Joe said she was to come easy or something, right?

Yeah, that was a freshman, Joe. So I thought I, you know, I thought I was doing something. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know. Yeah. No, I was, I was playing way above my pay grain. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's how it be, you know. Joe said she was good. She was allotted, so she was nice and flexible. Oh, man. Come on, huh? Come on, man. I'm good, hey, I'm good, Nato. You know, hey, I see any signs of anything.

Okay, bet. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, let me tell you, let me tell you what that turned me into now, Joe. I already know. Hey, I don't even play. I see any signs of anything. Oh, so you want to be funny? All right, bitch, it's gonna be a comedy show now.

Come on, we, hey, we can both play. Yeah. Hey, Joe, hey, listen. Listen, hey, hey, listen. Oh, Joe. Doesn't that man pull out? I said, oh, my God. Oh, Joe.

Oh, Joe. I know it, oh, Joe, I know it turned you to a savage, bro. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, Joe, absolutely. As a fact, not, no, Joe, you know what? Obviously, not, get to take the truth. Not even a savage.

Because everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt. And you should be able to trust everybody. All it take is one thing. It's just heightened your awareness. That's all it did, don't Joe? That's it. Joe, it takes one thing, Joe. And then, and always, let me see how I say this the right way without being respectful.

Because I played number two for such a long time. Yeah. When I put myself in the number one position, all the bullshit don't work. Yeah. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. None of it works.

None of the game. None of the lad. None of the other. Oh, my, none of it. But the difference is, though, Joe, between a guy and a lady. See, a guy is fine being number two. He don't really care about being number one. A number one lady, she's trying to be number one.

The number two lady is trying to be number one. Yeah. I'll be back on. Hey, I'll be down here sitting there sitting there. I don't need to be lead single. I don't never want to need to get him the microphone. I just beat these drool. Absolutely not.

Joe, hey, Joe, number two was such a beautiful spot. I ain't got to deal with a headache. I ain't got to deal with the fussing. I ain't paying no bills. You're coming to me to vent, and I'm a shoulder to cry on. Yeah. Yeah. And also, and right.

Yeah, man. Yeah. Dead and Bob will go. Hey, yeah. Hey, I'm perfectly fine being Jerome. What I'm here at. Odie, oh, de, oh. Hey, I don't need to be bars.

Hey, I'm Jerome. I'm holding in there. Hey. I'm doing the bird. Have you heard? I don't tell you nothing about the bird. Hey, Joe, I grew up on that. Hey, there was a day, Joe, now I got me a nice little nice.

Oh, he got Cambodian. Yeah, I'm good. Now, Joe. Yeah, he locked in. He locked in. Hey, Joe ain't got no problem, Joe. But you go, hey, at first he was like a Gattaca. Y'all mean with that movie Gattaca?

With a, with a Halliberry, everybody was dressed like, because Ocho, you know, when they say he got a type. Yeah, he got a tight. What? Me? Do he? You think I got a, you think I got a type? Yeah.

Hey, let me tell you something. Hey, Joe, hey, Joe, when I get a bag of Skittles? Yeah. I eat every motherfucking color. I don't pick and choose. Oh, I don't pick and choose. That man had a party had on. Joe, oh, Joe, girl.

Jan, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that man did call your girl right there. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Joe! Joe!

Hey. He can't help himself. Oh, Joe. He can't. Hey. Come on. Hey, um, man. Oh, man.

Oh, Lord. He, he. Hey. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, this way back in 19. I think, hey, hey, hey, but, but you know that feeling though. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And seeing, oh, hey, oh, we didn't, hey, we didn't all been there.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't all, we didn't all been there. That's why I say, boy, it scarred you a little bit, but that's all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Matter of fact, it scarred me to the point where I have, I approach things with a better understanding. Yeah. Like, even if we, that doesn't belong to me.

That's not my property. Come on, um, what you? Hey, um, what this guy? Hey, what that is? Um, why you got, I got birthday stuff? You're throwing out tonight, Ocho? Hey, um, hey, unc off that lick of the night, boy.

Joe! He can't help himself. He can't help himself. I bet some of the people in the chat lost it. They might not know what the hell we're talking about. Shit, they know what he's talking about. They would have to be for that show. Ocho, you got some more stories?

Hey, I got about two more, but I ain't going to tell you this night. Oh, my goodness. Man. Ocho, I'm sorry, man. No, you're good, you good, you good, you good, you know. It's good to let you're laughing at my pain. It's all good. that, Ocho.

Nah, you know, you gotta thank this back in 92, so it don't really meet, it don't make me none no more. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Me and my home boy just have a little good. Oh, Joe, what's wrong? He's on that liquor tonight, boy. He's on that little port-eater.

He's going to have that little port-eater. Oh, Joe, I had no much of water tonight. I ain't had no liquor tonight. I ain't drinking that tonight. I'm saving that. Oh, so you? Oh, so you? Oh, you sober?

Okay. We got to get through this. We got to get through this. Come on, Chad. We got some more Q and A. Ocho already told you that Judy is the number one. What more do you need to see? Wait, I ain't hear that.

He said, Mike E. He said, oh, Cho already told you that Judy is a number one. What more do you need to see? Just a little consistency. That's all. Oh, Lord. You still crying? Bad.

Edjikar, do y'all think kickers, positions important, stressed in the league? How well would you, the 2000 Ravens fair with Lamar Jackson at the helm? Bro, you got to understand it was a different game back then. They could drop their body weight on Lamar. They could do all kinds of things. It's not like it is now. The quarterback is the most protected. The quarterback is like witness protection.

Did you see, did you see how Elway got hit? Did y'all watch those videos see his documentary? Yeah. Y'all better go look at that and see how them guys hit. It's a deal with a different game back then. Lamar is sensational. And that's not to say he couldn't play. But boy, all that running around,

they were going to be hunting, what? Man. Trey Newsom up. As a free man in 26, please listen to Ocho's advice. He's only looking out for your best interest. Ocho, that 98 France kit, clean man. Appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

26, we good. We good, Cud. We, uh. Hey, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, I put that, I put that, put that beat. I put that beat. I put that beat on it's old. Yeah.

J.J. Carver 80. If the Raiders need any defense look no further than Elgado, they be given Ocho hell. Family wealth builder should Brad Holmes. be fired due to the lines falling. Detroit fans are lighting torches and grabbing pitch force. What do you think? No, no, you had a down year.

Oh, hell not. But bro, look at your draft. Look at what you got. You drafted Amman Ross St. Brown. You drafted James and you got Jamies and Gibbs. You make the trade from Jerry Golf. You look at your defensive guys. You got Jack Cammer.

You got A.N. Hutchinson. You got, but a lot of those guys, the secondary was injured. No, you Penae So. No. No. Man, you guys right there. G.T. New. Shannon, why you got to keep calling my Dolphins guppies, man?

We've had a bad enough with the tuna turn of a lova at quarterback and not winning a playoff game in 26 years. Give Ocho a break. Hey, what do you call him? Tuna what? Turn the ball over. Turn the ball over. Turn the ball over.

Tuna. Lainty Ray, hey guys, Coacho, I got a dad joke for you. What do horse eat the day of a race? I don't know where to eat. Nothing. They fast. Good one, Lainty.

Marlon Wilson, why aren't people questioning Matt Nagy the way they question E.B., Eric B. Enemy for head coaching jobs. Well, we'll see. you hear reports that there's a possibility that EB might be going back to

KC, we'll see but I don't know why McNack is getting here for a job Andy Reid called the plays when he got the job in Chicago Andy Reid called a play They say they want somebody

that's called plays before Andrew Carr says Ocho out here looking like uncommon with the hat-old Ron, for me, Unk, what's the hold up with Mike Emp's interview? Also, it'll be dope if y'all had Prime on once a week. Put Memphis on your tour.

Tennessee. Rob, be patient. Be patient. Brian, 6198, Unk, Ocho, who's the best head coach for Jackson Dart in New York? Y'all better not agree. Oh, it needs to be a quarterback. It needs to be an offensive mind, Ocho. I'm trying to think who would be a great.

Hey, I can know. Clint Kubiak, Seattle's O.C. Mr. Gannon. Arizona Cardinals. Jonathan Gannon? He's a deep. Yeah. He a defense of mine?

Ain't he a defense of mine? Because I think Shane Stiking was the officer coordinator. And he went to, uh, he's in, uh, Indy. One Jonathan Gannon to D.C.? Yeah. In Philly. Stephansky, an officer guy. Yes.

But I do believe Brian Flores going to get a job this hiring cycle. Q-Mars says I'm a Hawks fan and sad to see Trey go. I hope he goes to the spurs of the books so we can see Trey to Wemby or Trey to Janus, best passer in the league, in my opinion. I don't see him going because they got Darren Fox, they got Stefan Castle, and they got Dillon Harper. They don't need Trey in San Antonio. Now, I can see a scenario,

Milwaukee, but I do believe he top two, three best passes in the league, by the way. He can pass, he can pass that ball, man. But yeah, I don't see him going to San Antonio neither. I don't even see San Antonio messing with nothing they got going on over there. Either to go, Ocho, Will I am Shakespeare. We need to end nightcap like that every night. Very insightful. Thoughts.

with the spoken word. The Sean underscore show. What's up, fellas? If the MVP goes to the most valuable player, then Drake May should win the award. The Rams are a good team without Stafford. No, they're not. And with two great receivers,

go past your thoughts. I just look, I don't know. I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Lamar was going to win it last year after 41 and 5. And his team had tremendous success. And then Josh Allen got it. And that's not to say,

Josh Allen didn't, didn't earn the right to be the MVP. But 46 and 8, led the league in passing, led the league and passing touchdowns, I don't know. For me, it's, for me, it's Matthew Stafford. I don't know what you think, Ocho and Joe, but I think Matthew Stafford is the MVP to me. Yeah, I mean, I was going with staff anyway. If anything, obviously after that week he had, we played bad last week. He redeemed itself this past, this past weekend. Some people say Drake May, Drake May deserves it.

based on what he was able to do after going four and 13 the previous year. So that's tough. That's tough. I mean, you're going to have two different, two different,

two different sides of the spectrum on people that think it should be Drake May and people that think it should be Matt Stafford. Man, if 46 and 8 don't get it, I don't know what you're going to do to get it. Kyle Marquis, dang, you wore a blue and orange in college,

and in the NFL, you really bleed it. Yep. And my high school colors were green and gold. So my brother got green and gold when he got with Green Bay, and I got blue and orange. Am. Ronnie M. What's up, Nightcap?

Who do you think should dominate the sports more in their prime? Shack, Curry shooting, or Prime Brady with Vicks. Woo! Man, if Shaq can shoot the ball like Steph Curry, That man average 100 points a night. That's too much. God can't get nobody.

God didn't give you all that now. Hell no. Absolutely not. Man, shot 7-1, can shoot the ball like stealth, and be dominant like he was. Oh, man, please. Man, please. He gets 100 a night.

He average 100 a night. He put a record out where nobody ever break it. Hey, bud, I'm going to tell you. some with when we can stay healthy he's going to be close to it man he got we got to put some i'm i'm saying from a defensive standpoint oh yeah yeah well he'll better defender he can average he can average four to five blocks a game if not more double figure rebounds obviously you know you're going to be at at least 20 points a game yeah he can he health will nine uh shout out keith burns he was my special teams coach at ts u and also uh also my time by all

favorite coach. Love you coach. I'm his favorite kid. He coached. That's my dog. I appreciate that. I just talked to him the other day. I talked to him Saturday. He ain't doing it. He had Howard now. Oh, thank you guys for joining us. We really, really appreciate your support tonight.

We had a nice lively chat, even though we didn't really have a sporting event to come on out there. That just goes to show you the level of support that you give a nightcap. And we can't thank you or no. No, y'all know who I am. I'm your favorite aunt. That is my partner and co-host, Liberty City's own, Bengals, Ring of Fame, Honorary Pro Bowl, and all-pro, that is Chad Ochosenko Johnson. And the third member of the Big Three that joins Nightcap normally on Wednesday,

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and so did the Tennessee Titans. So I think that's what, seven positions that are open? still might be a possibility of some more. We'll see, but Cleveland is going in a different direction. So are some of the other teams, the Arizona Cardinals, the New York Giants, the Tennessee Titans, and the Cleveland Browns and the Atlanta Falcons. Atlanta Falcons got a pretty good roster.

If they solidify that quarterback, I expect them to be a complete team next year. They've got some defensive guys, and they got some offensive weapons. I love Drake, London, Bejohn, Robinson, Kyle Pitts. if you get him re-signed, Ocho. They got some pieces down there in that land. So again, thank you guys for joining us.

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