Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: How Jayson Tatum can become the face of the NBA & why JuJu Watkins is better than Caitlin Clark

Episode Date: March 28, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Gilbert Arenas discuss the pressure on Jayson Tatum heading into his postseason, why JuJu Watkins has a higher ceiling than Caitlin Clark & much more! 0:00 Gil’s 5 players that have the most to gain this NBA postseason18:30 Did Luka mean to say he was Robin and Kyrie was Batman?21:30 Jason Williams says Tracy McGrady would’ve been the greatest if he had Kobe’s work ethic26:30 Juju Watkins leads USC to Sweet 1631:30 Q and Ayyyyy #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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who's number one on your list? The most to gain this postseason, who's number one on your list? The most to gain? Yes. I'll say is this just winning or just playing? He has the most to gain this postseason. So if he...

Obviously, a championship helps everybody, but who do you think would gain the most? Gain the most? I'll say somebody who needs it, probably Shea, Zion, Ant-Man, Tatum, right? Tatum would be first on my list because he's the guy that's been to the NBA finals

and he didn't play well. He's been to the conference finals a couple of times. So now if he gets there, Gil, at his age, what's he, 25, 26? Now he gets the exhale. But he has to, see the problem with tatum is the reason i didn't rank him number one is because he's been there he's been there lost he went to the championship he went to the eastern conference finals he scored he's we done seen him do it all besides yes so

if he gets to the first and second round and he averaged 50 the whole time, we don't care. No, because we go say, yeah, we for the very reason that you just say it. We just saw him go to the NBA finals. We see him go to the Eastern Conference finals. So him getting to the first round of averaging 50. We don't care when you go when you go add 18 to the to the box to sell. I said he has nothing that he he don, he can't be number one in gaining something because the only way he gains is if he wins it.

Zion doesn't have to win. See, Zion has scored 44 rounds and he's back. Right. Shea with 22, if he wins the first round, Shea is boom. Same thing with Emmitt. See, everybody else, if they get out of the first round or have a great first round, Shea is boom. Same thing with Emmitt. See, everybody else, if they get out of the first round or have a great first round,

their stock rises. Yes, but just imagine if Tatum, what it would say. I think Kevin Durant has a lot to prove. A game by a championship. Because guess what, Gil? Y'all said I ain't won nothing outside of Golden State.

Y'all make it seem like I wasn't Kevin. He's like, I'm Kevin Durant. Y'all know who I am, Gil? Y'all said I ain't won nothing outside of Golden State. Y'all make it seem like I wasn't Kevin. He's like, I'm Kevin Durant. Y'all know who I am, right? You know I'm KD. So just imagine him winning outside of Golden State. I think he has to have a lot to gain this postseason because it hadn't gone well for him since he's been out of Golden State. That's what I said.

For him to get any recognition or go into the next level, he actually has to win a championship. Yes, yes, yes. That's why I believe he has the most to gain because if he wins, nobody else, even if the guy you mentioned, if Shea wins a championship, it won't be as big as Kevin Durant because Kevin Durant has to. He doesn't have to,

but they're not going to let him forget. Bro, you ain't won nothing outside of Golden State. As a matter of fact, you ain't even been back. You ain't even been back to a finals since Golden State. You remember that playoff series with, see, this can happen for Shea, Zion, or Ant-Man,

or mostly Zion. You remember when Rose went up against Boston? Yeah. And Rose was the triple-double. Him and Rondo was going back and forth. Both those names elevated, and they didn't do much after the first round. Right. Because how they played,

it put them into another level. That's what I'm saying. He has the highest, he can gain a lot because he can become the face of the NBA. That. The championship. So wouldn't that be the most to gain?

Because if he don't, but that's what I'm saying, it's either championship or none. Even everybody says, if he don't, but that's what I'm saying. It's either a championship or none. Even everybody says, if you don't win a championship, it's a bust. So that's where he is now. That's where he is now in his career. That's where Kevin, I mean, there are certain guys like Jason Tatum, KD, LeBron, Steph Curry. It's championship or bust.

What good is it going a couple of rounds? It don't do anything, especially Steph, LeBron, and KD, because they've all won championships. They've all won titles. So winning the first round or winning a couple of rounds, it doesn't do anything for them. Now, I mean, for Shea Gilgis, yeah, he wins a round. Hey, nobody really expected him to be where they are.

Ant-Man, nobody expected him to be where they are. So that's really, really good. But Jason Tatum, he can gain not only a championship, but now he gets to stake a claim. Hey, when Steph and LeBron leave, your boy got first dibs on facing the league. But now look at this. Now let's say Ant-Man goes to the second round,

and that first round he averaged 35, and that second round he averaged 35, and they lost. Going into next season, he going to be the face coming in. He don't got to win a championship. If Jason Tatum wins, Jason Tatum going to be wins a championship, yeah. But Tatum don't, but you see what I mean? Ant-Man don't need a championship.

No. Tatum has so much success. Not full success, but had enough success so early that we are demanding results like he's the age of Kevin Durant, LeBron James,

and he's only 26 years old. I tell you another guy that got something to gain. I gained a whole lot. Dame Dollar. Yes. Dame Dollar. Yes. Dame Dollar. Yes. He has a lot. A championship

would go a long way because he got Giannis. He's the best player he's ever played with. I would put him, yes. Because he's never been far in the playoffs, and if he gets to the Eastern Conference Finals or just ball out, get to the second round or the championship, he goes into another dimension too.

No, he can't. He can't. Because he's been to the Western Conference Finals with less. He wanted to go to a team that gives him an opportunity to compete for a title. He went to the Milwaukee Bucks. Giannis is a top three player. No matter who you poll, Giannis is going to be one of the top three players. Okay.

That's where Dame is. So he has a guy that most of the time he had guys that were guards like him. CJ was a guard. Anthony Simons was a guard. Jeremy Grant was a two, but Simons was a guard. Jeremy Grant was a two, but he mainly played small forward. You got the total opposite of what

you are. You got a team that can compete for a title. He has to go all the way. Yeah, I mean, you know, just for him personally, but when you're talking about that next step, it's unfortunate that Tatum has had success as a young dude, but when you're talking about that next step, it's unfortunate that Tatum has had success as a young dude,

but it's weird to have a 26-year-old and you're saying bust or chip. Yeah. Because we've seen, at some point in time, Gil, man, you gotta stop teasing us, because you're still teasing us.

And I understand, and I think LeBron said something about this. He's like, look, Jordan was how old when he won. I was at a certain age when I won. Everybody's going to be like magic. Well, we ain't going to ever see a magic again. Ain't nobody coming out their rookie year

and winning finals MVP. That ain't happening. And the likelihood of you getting with Kobe and winning finals MVP. That ain't happening. And the likelihood of you getting with Kobe and winning at that age, because who else is going to go to a team that has a guy as dominant as Shaq was? Shaq was in his absolute prime. He was dominating.

Give Kobe a chance. Kobe could do what he was doing. Now, at the tail end, Kobe had caught up. He's like, okay, yeah, I'm the Kobe Bean Brian that I believe that I could always be. But what guy, Ant-Man, look, I like Cat,

but Cat and Rudy go better together, ain't Shaq. No, no, no. So, as great as Ant-Man is, he doesn't have what Kobe had, which is a prime Shaq. And nobody has a prime. There ain't going to ever be another Shaq.

Never. You're never going to see a guy that big, that athletic. And I know Joel Embiid, but people don't realize how athletic Shaq was. Shaq could run. Shaq was mobile. Shaq was agile. Yeah, he had skill. And we're not

going to see that. So, to be able to pair somebody like Ant-Man, like you said, he has skill. And we're not going to see that. So to be able to pair somebody like an Ant-Man, like you said, he's 22. Okay, well, you would have to put him with like a Joel Embiid because Joel Embiid can play on the block. Cat don't really try to play on the block. Cat tries to say

I'm the best shooting big man. I'm the best shooting big man ever. And Ant-Man said, get your big ass out of there and let me dump you the ball to the post but he said well Rudy hogging it up too though yeah

but if I had to rank I would say if he was healthy I would say Joel Embiid Joel Embiid he has a lot to prove Payne Jason Tatum

Luka I don't even know what and Kevin Durant I don't even know why they got Giannis on here why first of all why they got Nikola Jokic

on here why they gonna the man about to win his third MVP you know what I'm saying so guys like him Jokic right

and this is the sad part like he didn't have no pressure about to win his third MVP. So guys like him, Jokic, right? And this is the sad part. He didn't have no pressure when he won the one. Nobody put him in there. If you win, you win. He won one. There's no pressure on him winning it again. If he doesn't win, no one's going to say anything

about his legacy. Same thing with Giannis. He won one, so no one is really putting him in that category. It's like he gets to go unnoticed. No one really cares about Jimmy Butler winning or not. How'd they get Tobias Harris over here?

Luka? No one cares if Luka wins the championship because you know, he's going to be right there. But here's the thing, we've seen him. He got to the Western Conference Finals championship because, you know, it's, you know what I mean? But here's the thing, O'Gill, we've seen him. He got to the Western Conference Finals, what, a year and a half, not just last season, but the year before.

And we've seen him give the Clippers a much more dominant team, give them all they can stomach with just him by himself. So, and he's actually going to lead the league in scoring. At some point in time, he's going to have to turn that. It's kind of like Mike. Mike was averaging 32 and 33. Yeah, that's fun to watch, but

when we go hear some clinging, that's rings in your pocket. We don't hear that yet. Luka's going to get there. Because at some point in time, he's going to have to turn those stats into a title. That's what I said with these guys. When we're talking about it,

when you're talking about Tatum and Luka, these guys are so young. What is the pressure so high on these guys when everybody else was 29, 30, 31, 32 when he was winning. With Luka, Tatum,

I just think Tatum set the bar so high that he needs a chip to go into another atmosphere when the other younger guys, they just need to have great playoff games and they're going to get a lot of recognition. Let's say the Pelicans upset them and Zion's averaging 28 in it.

Zion is back. Yeah. They're going to be playing. He looks good. Zion's going to get all his momentum back going into the summer. Pelicans going to get TV games next year because Zion did his thing in the playoffs.

Right. But they put some guys on the list. They just put some guys on the list. They just put some guys on the list. Kawhi don't have no pressure. Jokic don't have no pressure. Giannis really don't have no pressure. But now, hey Gil, here's the thing.

Let's just say for the sake of argument, Jokic wins his third MVP in a four-year span. He wins the finals MVP where you ranking it as in as in as for what overall totality

behind Tim Duncan oh yeah for sure you know what I mean so I mean is he a top 10 player? But he gonna be, hey, he inside the top 15?

Yeah, no, of course. Yeah. Hell yeah. He inside the top 15. Yeah. I mean, three MVPs, regular season, two finals MVPs,

and he 28. Yeah, I mean, yeah. You mess around to get a fourth MVP, Gil, you gotta put him in the top 10. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. He was ready to get a fourth MVP. Uh, uh, Gil, you got to put him in the top 10. I'm sorry.

You know what I mean? Like, like Larry Bird got three MVPs back to back to back. And he, you can't convince everybody. He's a top 10 player. I don't know why they leave it. I'm out.

Yeah. So, you know what I mean? It's Hey, but I, but here's the thing. Now, if we give him prepared people credit for? Hey, but here's the thing. Now, if we give people credit for three people championships,

he's the last man to do it. And he did it in the era with Michael, with Kareem, with Moses Malone, with Magic Johnson. Look at Karl Malone. Who? Bird. When he got those finals, yes. Yes.

Dr. J. Yep. And all those guys, with the exception of, I wouldn't say Doc was in his prime. Kareem really wasn't in his prime. He wasn't in his prime, yeah. No. But everybody else was. You can't get a real nice 55% that he's top 10 player.

So that's, you know. And that lets you know how much they really do care about that, that the maculades in a sense. Yeah, because he got three. He got me three titles, three MVPs, two finals MVPs. Well, we just OK, check this out. Speaking of Luca, Luca held Kyrie as Batman of the Mavericks, while calling himself Robin of the team after their 138-96 win over Sacramento in Sacramento.

Luka said, he's Batman, I'm Robin. It's just amazing. Everything on our team is amazing. Outside of basketball, he's just a great person. We get along so well. The chemistry is really good right now. Both Kyrie and Luka put on the show on the road and back-to-back. Kyrie ended the game with 24 points, 8 assists. Luka had 28 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists, threw three quarters, didn't play in the fourth. Do you agree?

Or do you even think that he meant that Kyrie is Batman and he's Robin? Hell no. Because after he said it, I think his next word was... He didn't say on another note or, okay, seriously. And then he went there and said that. So you can see he was just, oh, yeah, he's Batman, I'm Robin. But anyway, and then he, you know, I think they're playing. They're figuring each other out right now.

I think they're playing very, very well. They're still adjusting to what each other can do. And the fact that both players are so dominant, both players are great finishers, which that is hard to have. You got two finishers who can hit shots at the end of the game.

That just benefits Dallas, right? Yes. Guys who can do the same thing when you're trying to... They shut Luka off, Kyrie gets the ball, hits you with a game winner. They shut Luka off, Kyrie gets the ball, hits you with a game winner. You shut double Kyrie,

Luka gets the ball, he'll hit you with a game winner. So the fact that they got those two, now it's building an offense or a team around the two guys. That's what a lot of teams aren't good at, right? A lot of teams aren't good of,

okay, I got these two guys, let's build the team around them. What do they need to be great? And most teams just get pieces. So the fact that your team is still undersized when your point guard is 6'9", 6'10", and you got another guard who can't play defense, you need taller guys on your team.

Right. Like if they had Porzingis, oh my God, that'd be perfect. But if they had Porzingis, Porzingis, like I'm tired of standing in the corner and Luka dribbling the ball. While he's sitting in the corner. Right. But what's amazing, Gil,

is that normally when we think of finishers, we think of guys that are above the rim, or we think of bigs. We think of LeBron. We think of Gianers, we think of guys that are above the rim, or we think of bigs. We think of LeBron. We think of Giannis. We think of big guys. Luka can barely dunk. Yep.

I think Kyrie got about five dunks in his career. Three came this year. And three of them came this year. Exactly right. Three of them came this year. But you talk about finishing at the rim with either hand. It's amazing what they can do. Yeah, these guys are very, very good at what they can do.

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jason Williams says Tracy McGrady would have been the greatest ever if he had Kobe Bryant's work ethic. Do you agree with him, Gil? McGrady was a seven-time All-Star who won back-to-back scoring titles in 2003 and 2004. And the 2002-03 season might have been his best. 2003 and four and the two 20, 2003, 2002,

Oh three season might've been his best. He averaged 32 points, six and a half rebounds, five and a half assists, one, one point seven steals and almost a block of game for the magic. Do you believe had he had Colby's work ethic, he would have been the greatest.

Now this, listen, this was a big, big, big argument back when they were playing. This was a big argument. Who was better? And I remember our

strength coach said this. See, this is when dog wasn't used how it's used today. Dog back then was considered lazy, right? Yeah, he dogged it. Right? And someone said, when it's all said and done, Kobe's going to be on another planet than T-Mac.

T-Mac. Right now, T-Mac is better, but he's like a dog player, right? He don't have that it of what Kobe has. So when time goes on, the laziness is gonna stop one while the work ethic is gonna go. This is when they were both, they were 21, one had a kid, the other had, and they were just, they were playing. And when he said it and you started looking at him over and over and like, damn, he was right. What did you see?

Just, you know, Tracy was smooth. Tracy was chill. Tracy was like Kawhi Leonard style, right? If he had the mamba mentality, I mean, shit. I mean, he was taller, more athletic, shot the ball better. I mean, those were the debates. I mean, you know, and Kobe, I'm pretty sure there'd be record where Kobe said he probably wish he had, you know, T-Max attributes because to him. Yeah, he wish he was 6'9". Yeah, if I had his attributes.

Yeah. Why can't guys see what others see in real time? Because it's self-awareness, right? You know, Vince Carter, you know, heard he's mad and he's mad at me because I said he was lazy. But he has to understand that, you know, this is coming from a place of just,

I admired who he was or who he is. And I'm like, man, if you would have had this mind said oh my god you you there wouldn't be no conversation on who the goat is because there's no one that had the capabilities in the engine that you had you was the you was the carbon copy of what mj was you was the 2.0 that was supposed to be coming in. The game was so easy to you, but you was a nice guy. That was it.

He was a nice guy. You didn't have the selfish bone inside your body. Same thing. He didn't have that selfish bone that he needed that MJ has, that Kobe has. There's just certain players like, let me take this Kobe bone and this Michael Jordan bone and then put into certain players. If you take Jimmy Butler's mentality and put it in some of these players, they're all new players.

It just happens. When you're talking about sometimes we can see something like with Jonah B, when I was going at him and I said, man, you score so easy. If you got in shape, man, you average fucking 35. If you got in shape just a little bit, dog, you average 35 because how you're scoring and how much you're playing, no one can stop you. If you actually took the game serious and took care of your body, you average 35.

I said it about James Harden. seven dribbles, just take out seven dribbles every time you get ready to do your thing and get to like a two, three combo, you'll average 35, 36 the way you can put the ball in the basket. You know, sometimes I think they have to really step outside themselves

and then look. A lot of people don't want to step out of themselves when they have success. It's hard to tell a guy who won MVPvp who score had a scoring title that they can do more right it's like what have you done you ain't done nothing like no no but you but if you take my mentality and i give it to you trust me bro you

see what i'm seeing right juju walk- Watkins leads USC to his first Sweet 16 since 1994. Gil, what's the most impressive thing about most impressive thing about Juju game? That when you, she loves this game.

She loves the process. She loves the work ethic, right? I remember this was after after we won the state championship. And she wanted to go on vacation. She wanted to go to go to vacation for the first time. She had to do a spreadsheet. She had to do a spreadsheet on why she needed a vacation. She went back from

sixth grade to seventh grade. I've only missed four days in the last eight years of my life. And she did this whole thing to present to her parents that she needed a vacation because that's how dedicated she was to the sport. I mean, if you ever watch her workout, you wouldn't know she was a girl. She has no mannerisms. She works out with Kyrie, Kevin Durant, and Booker.

She can mimic all of them. When she's going for a layup, you think she can dunk because she's going with so much power, so much swag. I've seen this girl do some amazing things. Like during big games, she has the Kobe and Jordan gene. There's only a few people that I've seen with it, meaning Jimmy Butler.

When it's a big game and there's big moments, they never fail you. She's one of those. Kaitlyn Clark, too. Yes. You need Kaitlyn to do something special, she never fails. Right. And that's what I've seen Juju, watching Juju for two years. Anytime there was big moments, big games, and we needed her to perform,

she never failed. Her games kind of remind me of Maya Moore's. Yeah. Maya Moore was tremendous off the bounce. She could get to the rim. She could shoot the three. Had the mid-range game. She could pull up.

I mean, and that's why I think Kaitlyn Clark, you look at Paige Beckers, you look at Juju, all those young ladies can get their own shot. They don't need you. Give me the ball and I can get to my spot. Be it the mid-range, do I get to the lane, do I get all the way to the rim?

It's a joy watching them and because the talent is spread out, because normally UConn had all the talent. Stop it. Tennessee had all the talent. You know what I'm saying? And there were some girls here and there. Stanford had a time in the early

90s that they got, you know, Tara Vanderveer, I think it was Jennifer Azee. They won a couple titles in the early 90s and they had some titles. And then, you know, the Baylors came along. The Notre Dames came along. And now you see South Carolina. But for the most part,

UConn, Tennessee hoarded all the talent. Now, you get a Kaitlyn Clark who's the number one player in the country and she doesn't go to one of those three schools. She goes to Iowa. Juju, who's the number one player in the country, doesn't go to one of those schools. She goes to USC. Paige,

who's number one, she ended up going. You see what I'm saying? Now, they're kind of spread out. We got Cameron Brink, the young lady out of Stanford, but she's more of a post player. She's not really getting the ball like those other three ladies that I mentioned. Can shoot the three, can get to the mid-range,

can get to the paint, finish at the rim. So I just enjoy watching these young ladies play because I love seeing... Their game reminds me of a guy's game because the mid-range, the three, getting into the paint, finishing at the rim. You know what's funny?

As much as if this... If Juju was allowed to come out in a draft. Yeah. It'd be, you, Fever will be, they will regret that they took Kaitlyn Clark number one. These, Kaitlyn is great, right? But she's not Juju, right? If you go back and look at Kaitlyn as a freshman, what Juju does, they're not even on the same planet. If they match up in a

tournament, 1,000% Juju's going to pick her up full court. Juju's got a woman's body. You look at the way she's built and you look at the way Kaitlyn Clark is built,

she can take contact. She can play through contact. She has an through contact. She has an adult body. She's like an 18-year-old. That's what I'm saying. She's built like Booker. She played like her fast twitch muscles. She's super athletic.

She will pick her up full court. They're going to have to set a whole bunch of screens to get Juju off her. And if she ever tries to guard Juju it's lunch meat they don't have the same body no they don't even Beckers they're thin

and Juju like I said she feel like Maya more if you look she feel like Maya like that's what I'm saying she's going to come straight down here run right here like it's like and I'm sure Juju's like, just let me match up so I can show the world who is really that girl. Right. And I know that's one of those things.

Juju wants to see Caitlyn because she's going to pick her up full court. She's going to hound her full court and Caitlyn's not going to be able to get past her like that. She's going to pick her up full court. She's going to hound her full court, and Caitlyn's not going to be able to get past her like that. She's going to need a lot of picks. One's just faster, stronger, meaner. They're both going to compete, but Caitlyn's not going to be able to guard her whatsoever. So that's the real matchup you want to see, is you want to see those two,

and it's not going to end the way they would think. Now, Gil, it's time for our last segment of the night and it's called Q&A. Ryan asked, Gil, why was Steph actually crying after Draymond was ejected? Is Steph at his wits end with Dray?

And what do you think? What do you think about Dray did to Patty Mills last night? I think, you know, Steph, it's more of the frustration. Like, it's four minutes in a game. We trying to win this game, and you're getting yourself kicked out. That's more of just frustration as a player, right? It's like, you know, this is the dude we need you to do. Why are you even this amped up at the beginning of the game

to get yourself kicked out? That's one of those frustration things right there. Yeah. I know they were looking for that wrap around his neck, and they just didn't he didn't get the neck but he almost got it he could have been kicked out of that game too but they

called it a common foul so lucky for him man Dre be getting man Dre be getting away with all this stuff man I like Dre man I mean I've had a conversation with him a couple of times. I like him. But, man, I sure wish that sometimes I could have played basketball.

You know, that's the same thing he out there doing. He played football. He's like, yeah, I'm glad I played basketball. And you see, he went right on back to the basketball court. That's a whole different mindset, Gil, to play that. Now, Oakley could have played. Mason, I believe they could have played.

I think Oakley played in high school, but Oak has the mentality. Oak had the mentality. Actually, when I was early in my career, Oak used to work out with us Oak used to come to the track, run he would come to the gym and lift Oak was like, Oak's mentality is a football mentality

he really has a football mentality Kimber Norwood Jr. do you have a favorite shirt to wear and will the Lakers make it past the play-in tournament oh yeah, we can't pass the play-in do you have a favorite shirt to wear and will the Lakers make it past the play-in tournament? Oh, yeah. We can't pass the play-in. Do I have a favorite shirt? Nah, not really. Not no shirt.

Yeah, I ain't really got no favorite shirt. Hell nah. I just got a... Do I... Man, I'm just into the athleisure, man. I, you know, I dress, I mean, I dress up for when I do. I mean, think about it.

I wore a shirt and tie pretty much for seven straight years, 240 days a year. That's what you, you know, you saw me in a jacket, you know, kind of towards the tail end. I kind of stopped wearing the ties, wore a tie, handful of tie on the first take. Man, when I'm out and about, man,

I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be, and I know people don't think, man, that's, but I'm comfortable. Okay, you think, but I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable in my skin. I always have been. And you know, people like, man, man, Offset told you. I said, look. I said, I really

enjoyed the conversation with Offset because he a homie from the Creole. But unless Offset wear a thong or got some lace, I ain't listen to him. Offset ain't fine ass and feed no fucking shanna. Why am I listening to another guy talking about how I dress?

And I can be, hey, cool, but I dress for Shannon. There was once upon a time, Gil, I dressed to try to impress other people. Now I dress to impress me. Man, I'm 55.

Man, you can't lace up your Air Force 1s. Yeah, I can. I am. Yeah, I can. And I ain't got time to be worried about all that other stuff, man. People, if people worry about the right things, who cares how your shoes are laced up?

So, if they're going to put some money in my pocket and give my shoes being laced up right? No. I mean, I just, now, if somebody came and said, hey, Mr. Sharp, we want to outfit you. We want to put you in this. Okay. I got it. But as long as I'm buying these clothes, I'm going to buy

what I like. And just because y'all body messed up, y'all got them BMWs, body made wrong, y'all mad at me because my body tight. I go to restaurants with sandals on. I ain't no sandal guy. Yeah, I go to restaurants with sandals on. I ain't no sandal guy.

Yeah, I go to, hey, listen, I go to sandals with my feet. I need my feet to feel good. If I do have shoes on up, I'm taking my shoes off in the restaurant. If you see me in the restaurant up, my shoes is

off under the table. So, moving forward, if you ain't got no lace and you ain't got no thong underwear on, y'all better shut the hell up. Try to tell your uncle how bad your clothes type made up. Hey,

y'all preparing a meal? I need some financial statements and I need... So other than that, I ain some financial statements. And I need, hey. So other than that, I ain't listening to you. I'm aware of the hell I want to wear. Yep, yep. So I don't know what to tell you. But I appreciate any of you, though, Offset.

I appreciate you coming down, sitting down with your aunt. We had a great time. It's up right now. It's doing really, really well. We had a great conversation. But I love, hey, I love having conversation, but I ain't listening to a

damn thing Offense say. Kashawn Thomas said, what's up, Uncle Gil? Man, why people don't listen and follow rules like today at the bottle signing? Dude know he heard them say no merch is getting signed, but he still tried.

Anyways, thanks thankful the bottles for me and my wife got one bro i i don't know i mean people and people get mad oh you could have signed say bro it's not my event the store says okay he signed with the purchase of a bottle shannon will sign it No other merchandise gets signed. People come in and want to take pictures. People just bringing their hats, bringing their jersey. That's not what this was about. And then they get upset.

So what you want me to do? This is not my store. We try to use the guilt on your aunt. Listen, listen. I'm going to come with your rookie jersey, and I know you're supposed to sound like, and I'm going to throw it up right there. Oh, oh, oh, come on. That's exactly.

You be like, ah. I'm like, come on, bro. I say, bro, work with me. They're like, you can take a picture, but you can't go beside it because we got to keep the line moving. So what they do? No, ma'am. Sir, you can't.

I just give up. I just give up. It's no different than at the airport. We hear them yelling the same thing for the 10 minutes we in line. Have your ID out, right? minutes we in line. Have your ID out, right? Take your shoes off, take your laptops out.

We hear you, but we're not listening. When we get there, what we have on? We got our laptops still in our bag, shoes still on. No ID. The shit they got going on. Until they get up there.

Yeah. Glow the Strode. What's up? One of my uncles got caught in 4K on Freak Nick Doc. Gil, are you going? Hey, Calpain Magic. He said his uncle got caught. He was at Freak Nick and he got caught on camera. I saw somebody say, man, I just saw he was at Freak Neck and he got caught on camera

I saw somebody say man I just saw my past at Freak Neck man look like I said I was there I moved to Atlanta because of Freak Neck and me and my brother we went I think me and my brother went 92-93 I moved to Atlanta

in 94, and I participated in 94, 95, 96. But what they didn't tell you is how they closed the malls down. Lenox Mall, Phil's Plaza, they had to shut them down because they were running up in there, running out the people's store

with their ish in their hands. They had to close them down. Yes, they blocked off the exit. So once you got on the interstate, man, you had to go down near the Clayco to turn around. Oh, wow. Oh, man. Man, the traffic was so...

Man, the traffic was so bad, Piedmont Park, because that's where all the events were. They used to have some events at Lakewood. I don't know if people remember back in like 92, They used to have some events at Lakewood. I don't know if people remember back in like 92, 93, they had some events at Lakewood. Obviously, the AU Center where it kind of originated from. But yeah, that thing was...

If they should have put... You know what? Maybe I should have sought that one. I said, what y'all think about it? Because they had JD, they had Luke, they had Killer Mike, all those. But JD was probably real young. Hell, J.D. might not could have even got in at the beginning.

Because, you know, I was 20. I was 20. Hold on. So I was 24, 25, 26, 27, 28. At the heart of it. But then I'm like, okay, you know what? I say, you know what? I'm a little bit too old.

28-year-old. Most of them did college. They night somewhere between 18 and 21. Yeah. Man, dude, grandpa, dude, started coming out there with real socks on. Man, y'all don't get y'all little ass out here and leave these kids alone.

My last club, the last club I went to, I was 27. Yeah. I was 27 years old, the last club I went to. It was just one of those days this one, the sparklers started to really start hitting the scene.

Yeah. You know, we can sneak in the club and sneak out. When they start bringing the sparklers and start lighting up the section, I was like, yeah. It's time to go.

Time to go, man. Yeah, but that freaknick, man, they closed. That was the first time I had it, but I knew it was coming, Gil. I knew because it kept getting bigger and bigger. All of a sudden it was coming, Gil. I knew because it kept getting bigger and bigger. All of a sudden it was 50,000, then 75,000,

then 100,000, and then a quarter of a, I said, ain't no way. And then it started to get reckless. They started to taking the girls' tops off and started doing the songs and they started breaking into cars. I said, yeah, they're about to end this. And when they had the Olympics,

you know, Olympics came in 96. So now Atlanta is an international city because they got 100 plus countries that's going to be coming in and they say, you know, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. But you know what? Some things have

a shelf life. Some things are not meant to be, this is the 100th annual, like Alabama-Auburn or Michigan-Ohio State. Some things are not meant to have a 100-year run. Some things are meant to have the run in which they had, and

then they go away, and they hopefully, if you had a good enough time like your boy did, they're burnt in your memory. Freak Nick, anything that has to do with freaky right now should be off the table with all the stuff that's going on.

Lord of the Sky Night Ad, can Gil show us shoes in the back? The shoes that you got in there. Oh, I got pants on with sandals. I'm going to eat right after this.

Oh, this is right here, right? You know, NBA Live, NBA Live 2008. Uh-huh. Right, these are my second signature shoes. Okay. This one right here is me and Dame Dollar. Right? Right.

So one side is me, one side is Dame. So this is, this came out this year. Right, so that's what these, Undercrown did these. Right, so this is back when Polo Waves wasn't allowed but I read I read the um

I read the rule book and the rule book in the NBA was you can't wear non team colors for a game oh okay yeah so I wore it for a quarter or I wore it. Yeah, so I wore it for a quarter or I wore it for a half so I couldn't get fined.

So what happened is I was breaking the color barriers and I ended up doing 20 different colorways one year. My second shoe, I did 20 colorways. Right now, people don't know that I'm number one and two for the most colorways for a shoot in that same year.

So this season, one, there's 16 colorways. And then the second one, this one, there's 20 colorways. So like a jordan right jordan keeps like dropping different colorways that's not yeah that shoe that comes out that year i did 20 colorways in one shoe and then i did 15 colorways in another wow made for this mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small. Through raw conversations, real stories, and actionable guidance,

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Thank you for watching Nightcap. Grits, anytime you want. Anytime you want, sugar and grits, with a little cheese, salt, and pepper, girl, I'm all yours. Hey, hey, I said, do you like that about your tight pants? Man, look, that man's entitled to his opinion.

Like I said, he said, oh, you got to. Like I said, look, I get it. You know, we had offset on back in 2020 at the Super Bowl. And he and I hit it off. You know, and he showed me great. Look, I don't. Look, I didn't get upset. I didn't get offended.

I thought I laughed. And I told him, no, I'm going to keep these here. I like these right here. I'm offended. I laughed. I told him, I said, no, I'm going to keep these here. I like these right here. I'm comfortable. I do. I'm 55. It don't stop me from doing nothing. You know what I mean.

Nothing. Lainey Ray asked, did either of you win class superlative, like best dress, most athletic, class clown? If not, what do you think you should have been? Yes, Laney, I won the most in my high school. Nobody's, I got four. The one that I know they got right, most likely to succeed. Ta-da!

But I got Mr. Senior. I got most athletic. I got, what Senior. I got most athletic. I got, uh, what else did I get? I got most athletic, Mr. Senior, most likely to succeed. Did I get, what else did I get? Damn, I don't forget now. But I got four.

Nobody's ever got that many sins, and ain't nobody gonna ever get it because we don't even have a high school no more. So I've got the most superlatives, and I defy defy somebody that said they got more superlatives their senior year than one Shannon Sharp. I know you did. I got not four.

I got class clown all three years. Sophomore, junior, I had to keep the rep up. I got class clown. All three years. Sophomore, junior, I had to keep the rep up. I got, I lost, was it most athletic? I lost that football player, Samoan dude. And then most likely to be on the Wheaties box. Didn't get that. You didn't?

Hell, have you seen me on the Wheaties box? I've been on the Wheaties box twice. I know. I was like, damn, that's the one I want. That's the one I needed. I'm trying to think of the... What did I get? I looked. Mr. Senior. Most athletic. Most likely to succeed.

God dang. I have that tomorrow cause my sister at the house she look at the yearbook I don't know if I got best dressed nah I don't I don't even know but I got four

I do know that I was one for three I think my brother got most athletic I think he got most athletic and missed I think he got most likely to succeed and most athletic

so they did it I was two for four they hit that devil in the head with most likely to succeed I was two for four. They hit that devil in the head with most likely to succeed, huh, Gil? Oh, yeah, yeah. I think I got that one. Listen, I was always the class clown. You know what?

I should bring my senior book. Every female that signed it. Shannon, when you're in the NFL, don't forget about me. Shannon, when you're rich and famous, come back, make sure you don't forget about me. Everybody, because I told them, when I was in high school,

I said, I'm going to the NFL. I said, I'm going to be a professional athlete. Dang. If you read my senior book, the girls that signed my books, they said that when you are rich and famous, when you're this famous NFL player, don't forget me.

Did you forget him? No, I mean, no, no, no. Cause I, I don't, I mean,

I haven't been back home. I don't think I've been back home since about two. I ain't been home in two decades. I mean, not two decades, a decade since my, my son graduated two decades. I mean, not two decades, a decade since my son graduated high school. I mean, college.

So I haven't been back home. But when I see him, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm always cool with just how I am, Gil. If I'm cool with you then, I'm cool with you now. I don't know how you thought I didn't rock with you then, but here we are 30, 40 years later, I rock with you then, I'm cool with you now. I don't know how you thought I didn't rock with you then, but

here we are 30, 40 years later, I rock with you. Listen, we had a Sadidi school. Oh, did you? Yeah, yeah. Girls thought, you know, the girls thought they was all that for the most part. You know what I mean? So, as soon as I made it to the NBA,

They tried to holler at you, huh? Had to double back on. Oh, man. Come on, Gil. Yeah, girl. You work at Key Coast? Pull up. What's happening? Yeah, you thought you was going to J. You at junior college. What's up? How you doing?

Gil, the junior college is 13th grade. Man, that ain't nothing. I went back and laid low. No, I couldn't. That's why I said I didn't forget none of them. Nope. If you didn't holler at your boy, if you didn't holler at your boy, uh, uh, uh, uh,

uh, in high school, I ain't rock with you. I'm done. I'm moved on. Nah, not me. I went back. All the girls, yes, sir. Yeah, y'all like money. I got that now, even though I not me. I went back. All the girls. Yes, sir. Yeah. Y'all like money. I got that now, even though I didn't.

I got it. Hey, listen. My first two years. My first two years. You know how everybody talk about all these NBA ladies are going to be in the lobby? Yeah. Nah, nah, nah. I was a all of all the girls that didn't want to sleep with me

in high school because they was talking to older dudes went back to get them. Yeah. Come on, Gil. You can't do that. Yeah, they got regular jobs now. Life hit them early. Yeah. I don't even think... I'm trying to think. I don't even think I doubled back in college.

What? Nah, I didn't double back in. Nah, I didn't double back in college. Now, see, no, because when I got to the NBA, it was the girls from high school that graduated. They work at the mall now. They work at the mall, you know.

Gil, I wasn't going back like that anymore, and then like the mall, you know. But I couldn't, I didn't because, Gil, I wasn't going back like that anymore, and then like, man, you know, like, high school, I mean, the pretty girls in high school can't see the pretty girls in college, and the pretty girls in college can't see the girls that you see

like, when you go out into the real, like, you out into the real world. So... Yeah, I wasn't worried about none of that. Hey, come on now. A little bit of that escalator.

What's up? What's happening? How you doing? But see, Gil, I had a... My brother bought me, my sophomore year in college, my brother bought me a 300Z. And then my senior year, I had a big body Mercedes. Oh, y'all. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, college? Yeah, college. Oh, yeah. Out of HBCU. Oh, yeah, yeah. I went to the draft at 19. So, yeah, they were still, they were still. So, the girls are still right there. Oh, yeah, yeah were still, they were still. So, the girls are still right there.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. So, that's right there. That's right there. Your age. That's your age. My age still.

Yeah. Because a lot of the girls, by the time, you know, they started having kids. Hell, we was in high school. So, definitely by the time I got to college and I got up out of college, they done had one, two, or three. Nah, I was right there. I was the richest person they knew with $300,000. And here you, you'd have been the richest person they knew with $30,000.

Gil, cash in that receipt from K-Mark for not picking the Lakers tonight. Heard him today on Gil's Arena Live. Appreciate you on night camp Wednesday. One love. K-Mart win against the Lakers tonight? Of course. K-Mart is talking about they was going to lose

to the Memphis Grizzlies. Try to stand on it. Nah. You'll see him tomorrow. I said we're going to win. I had him. I said we're going to win. I had him. I said, we're going to go 8-2 in the last 10. Worst case scenario, 7-3.

I think those last two games, that's going to be difficult. They got difficult teams. I think those teams will be getting ready for the playoffs, giving those games up. Who did they play Friday? The Sixers? Yeah. Yeah.

Wait, this is the Sixers? Yeah, we playing the NB-less. Yeah, we got to get them. No, we play Pacers. Oh. Look, the Pacers just try... They ain't playing no defense all they try to do

make a miss they try to push the pace yeah we you know teams like that we're we're we just gonna

we just gonna give it to AD and LeBron gonna hit the rim you know make them play defense down there get a bunch that's it and they talking about oh man

look at all the free throws cause they don't play no defense they ain't got nobody one person that can play D and that's Miles Turner. He can't guard everybody. All you gotta do is put the ball on the floor. Put the ball

on the floor and get to the rack. They gonna foul you. Hope they don't call it because they trying to push the pace. Make or miss. Miss shot, they getting the ball. They pushing it. Made shot, they throwing it to the head. I watched it. Look, they're getting the ball to their A. They're pushing it. Made shot, they throw it in the air. I watched it. Look, they gave up 150.

I don't care what anybody say, Gil. You ain't playing no defense until you let somebody get 150. Zero. Yeah, that's what I said. We should be good money going into these last 10 games. Yeah, we should be real good. I'm hoping. We got the Nets. We got the

Wizards. You got a windowets we got the Wizards well you can see you got to win you got to win though you got those are the games that you got to win we got to win those so you know but they're all games that you know we should be able to pencil in

yeah yeah did uh maybe the uh hold on the Suns yeah boy I almost uh you almost did

a nightcap by yourself I almost went to watch that game and I don't oh man the Suns won they're winning with less than

30 seconds 104 to 95 104 95 okay yeah well it's 104 95 with 15 seconds They're winning with less than 30 seconds, 104 to 95. 104 to 95, okay. Yeah. Well, it's 104 to 95 with 15 seconds. KD had 30. Book had 17.

Grayson Allen had 13. Bradley Bill had 10. Eric Gordon had 10. Yeah. And Murray didn't play. He played well, you know. and Murray didn't play played well you know

yeah Yoke had 22 10 and 9 oh Murray didn't play Murray didn't play okay

Murray didn't play and they didn't shoot the three ball well 10 for 40 from the three so I was hoping the Nuggets could pull it off so we can gain a little bit and they didn't shoot the three ball well. 10 for 40 from the three. So, I was hoping the Nuggets could pull it off so we can gain a little bit on that.

We can gain on them boys. Yeah, we got to try to get to that six seed. We need that. Need that. Like a whole knee slap. Yep. So, thank you for joining us

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