Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: How Michael Jordan ruined the Dunk Contest, Pippen's No Bull Tour, & why SGA is the MVP

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas explain why Michael Jordan ruined the dunk contest and discuss if they are interested in what Scottie Pippen has to say on his "No Bull" tour critizing how he was por...trayed in "The Last Dance" 0:00 Thoughts on Dunk contest12:00 Vince Carter says NBA offered 1 mil for guys to commit to dunk contest15:45 Blazer viewership has went down 60% this season - How important is star power?20:15 Former Bulls going on tour to discuss Last Dance26:00 What made MJ so special31:00 Unc on impact of Katt interview despite doing plenty of others1:00:00 - Much more Nightcap #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:27 So what are your thoughts? I mean, I've heard everything from a three-on-three tournament to a one-on-one. You get three dribbles max. What can the league do to fix the All-Star game? Forget the dunk contest. Because the guys, the name guys, Gil, when you and I was growing up, I mean, the top guys, Dr. J, Michael Jordan, Dominique Wilkins, you know, you had Kenny Skywalker.
Starting point is 00:02:48 You had the guys, Larry Nance, they actually participated. Darryl Griffith, they called him Dr. Duncanstein. So guys, I mean, with the exception of Matt McClung and Jalen Brown, Jalen Brown is the biggest name guy that we've had in the game in a long time. But for the most part, I don't know these guys. Listen, I said it. I said, what happened was
Starting point is 00:03:13 this. When the NBA was introducing the dunk contest, they used their stars to introduce it to the world. Right? And I said, what happened was Stephen A wanted to say
Starting point is 00:03:30 LeBron messed it up. I want to say Michael Jordan and Dominique messed it up. They messed it up in this aspect. Who they were when they entered that contest. They were mega stars.
Starting point is 00:03:48 Jordan was a mega brand when he was entering the dunk contest. So, you know what I mean? Three times, he averaged 35, he averaged 37. He leading the league in scoring three. He was already a big entity. So him coming into that with that name, you'd already called him Air Jordan. He'd already gotten a nickname. entity. So him coming into that with that name, ooh. You'd already called him, you know, Jordan. He'd already gotten
Starting point is 00:04:07 a nickname. So once he left, and you said, all right, everybody, let's enter, you started looking around like, yeah, they're coming in, they're hot flies, but they don't have, no. They don't have the name that's coming into that. When Kobe
Starting point is 00:04:23 came in, average six, he, average seven points a game. He's a rookie, right? When Kobe was Kobe being Bryant, he didn't enter the dunk contest. When Vince Sanity became Vince Sanity in 2002, 2003, that wasn't 2000 Vince, right? So when we did have the dunkers they didn't have that that jordan brand behind it so jordan gave us dominique wilkins you're talking they were they were creatures they were nba elites when they entered we that we got privileged to that and that's why we can that's why we say the same names every year when we we think about the dunk contest, we go all the way back
Starting point is 00:05:06 90 down because those were star players in that dunk contest. Now it's one, two year players. But the thing is, Gil, what I think is, is that when they started having these no-name and guys started missing 15 dunks before they got
Starting point is 00:05:22 one. And people are like, God, how many chances is he going to get? I mean, look, you get two chances. You don't get in the hoop the first two times? Okay, now your time up. Gil, guys were taking six. I mean, I'm being unrealistic when I say 15. But guys were taking five, six opportunities.
Starting point is 00:05:43 You can't hold people's interest that long. Yeah. And so when you look at Gordon and Levine. That was amazing. I can make the case those were the best dunk contest ever. Better than Jordan and Dominique. Because what they were doing with the creativity and the elevation that they were getting.
Starting point is 00:06:08 So clearly the dunk contest was alive and well. And guess what? LeBron James was still playing. You see, here's the problem that I have because LeBron James has always been in an unattainable situation. Well, he got 23 because of Michael Jordan. Well, he did the pot of toss
Starting point is 00:06:23 because of Michael Jordan. Well, he doesn't do the dunk contest. Why didn't he do it? He did everything he had like Michael Jordan. Well, he did the pot of toss because of Michael Jordan. Well, he doesn't do the dunk contest. Why didn't he do it? He did everything he had like Michael Jordan. You see, he's an unwin. I don't look at LeBron as, I look at LeBron as an in-game power dunker. LeBron doesn't have the creativity of a Mack McClung or Aaron Gordon
Starting point is 00:06:40 or Zach Levine or Jason Richardson. That's not a Vince Carter. That's not a biz card. That's not what he is. And that is the problem with us as fans. And that's why I said Michael Jordan ruined it. He ruined it because he was the perfect person. You're talking about the dude with the 48-inch vertical. he was the perfect person, right? You're talking about the dude with the 48-inch vertical,
Starting point is 00:07:12 the dude that was a star, he was a score, he was creative in the air, right? So you had the 10 out of 10 guy enter the dunk contest, right? There's only been a few of those in this game. Right. In this game. And Vince was the next one who had all the tools. He was the guy that was supposed to be in there three, four times. It going and everybody's trying to beat him. Right. We didn't have it. We had it one and done. Right. LeBron James. What he clicked was the high, the power, the creativity.
Starting point is 00:07:48 No, I can tell you the three dunks that he only had, right? He was going to pull it back real hard, not from the free throw line, right? Which Jordan going to have him on that, but he's going to pull it to the side, right? Other than that, he was going to go in, do the rock. Rock the baby. Rock the baby.
Starting point is 00:08:02 And then he was going to do the old one hand up, Statue of Liberty, swing it, bring it back. That was it. Unless you wanted him to dunk on somebody. All right, Shaq, you're going to come out there and you're going to try to block my shit for real. And I'm going to try to dunk on you. Other than that,
Starting point is 00:08:20 there's some guys who are creative dunkers and there's some guys who dunk. Jalen Brown are some guys who dunk. Jalen Brown, you're just a dunk on somebody. Yes, yes. You're not a creative dunker. Because he's trying to do the deep brown, but you can't do the deep brown once you land. You know, deep brown covered his eyes.
Starting point is 00:08:37 He was in the air. And you can't put—hold on. So I'm like, hold on. I'm like, wait. I'm looking at this. I said, hold on. Aaron Gordon dunked over Taco Fall. Mack McClellan dunked over Shaq.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Hell, Blake Griffin dunked over Kia. He dunked over, one guy dunked over a KIA. The other guy dunked over a KAI. I'm like, what the hell? I mean, man, look. And then, you know, we had Kyle the other night. He's been unbelievable. But anybody that's ever seen Kyle in person, you and I both know he's not 5'9".
Starting point is 00:09:11 Okay? He's not 5'9", and then you put him in a chair. He even said himself, I thought he was going to stand me up in the chair. So you get a guy that's vertically challenged and you put him in a chair so if you put him in a chair he's half the height that he was when he was standing so what i'm like what the hell is this that was the point huh because you can tell he didn't prep for this he was just out there having fun right he was out there having fun but he? He was out there having fun, but he could have just dunked over Tatum's son.
Starting point is 00:09:48 At that point. Just dunk over Deuce. At this point, brother, what you've been doing, it ain't it yet. He could have dribbled the ball. He could have jumped over Kai. Hell, I jumped over two guys back in 87 and they're sitting in chairs. That wasn't nothing spectacular about the dunk
Starting point is 00:10:03 that he did, and they gave him great scores for that. I'm like, no, so you should have punished him for that to let him know, bro, you can't dunk over a guy his size in a chair and have us reward you for a quality dunk because that's not what it was. Look, Matt McClung deserved to be a two-time, but the fact of the matter is we got to go get a guy from the G League.
Starting point is 00:10:26 And he earned it. Gil, he earned it again. He earned it. I mean, the guy cleared Shaq. You can say what you want to say. He cleared Shaq. My thing is this, man. the dunk contest today's kids can do things that we can't believe can be done, right? When J.O. Smith came into the dunk contest, right,
Starting point is 00:10:55 and he wrapped it around the back of his body and dunked it, everybody's like, what the hell was that? These young kids got that. Now, the question is, why wasn't the Thompson twins in it? Why wasn't Jalen Green in it? Right. Why wasn't like you got these young first year kids that got these 45 six inch verticals that do sit at home thinking of this stuff. Right. right the days of the days of the 90s is gone right if you want your impact of your dunk contest you need to spit out the money that's going to impact it because right now most of these got what we what they did to gordon everybody watches yeah right ah yeah? I don't want to be a part of something like that, right? So you need to start with the refs. I mean, the judges.
Starting point is 00:11:50 The judges should be the Steph Curry, the Danes, the Lucas, guys who don't dunk. The reason for that is they are not jaded by their ability or what they did or what they've seen. They're judging in real time. Right.
Starting point is 00:12:07 So someone like Luca can sit there and say, well, shit, I can't do that. That's a 50. Right. You will have real fair judging because these guys can't do that. You guys have Dr. J in there. Dr. J is jaded by his jumping ability. He's not judging it. Dominique, every windmill he see,
Starting point is 00:12:28 yeah, he ain't bringing down like I did. I brought that thing. I really windmilled it. I ain't do no this right here. I brought that thing all the way down. I got a 49. God damn it, you're getting a 47. Right? So that's what ends up happening too. So you
Starting point is 00:12:43 have to clean that up. Then from there is when you go to when you get ready for the dunk contest, grab out that big old computer in the book and say, OK, this kid, 48. OK, he's in it. He's in it. Hey, hey, hey, hey, the guy that's sitting on the end of your bench spurs. You let him know he in the dunk contest and I don't care what kind of vacation he's going on. Right? Stephen A. Smith said something about a million dollars. You want to go out and give everybody a million
Starting point is 00:13:13 dollars, these outside. How about this? Give the NBA players a million dollars. I guarantee they'll jump over the goddamn backboard. Well, Vince said it was him, T-Mac, LeBron, and somebody else, but they pulled out. So the NBA had a million dollars.
Starting point is 00:13:30 Now, I don't know if it was a million dollars for everybody or a million dollars to the winner, but I think he said it might have been him. Chad, help me out. I think it was him. I think it was T-Mac, Vince Carter, Kobe, and LeBron were supposed to be in the dunk contest. They said that because I said that this
Starting point is 00:13:47 should have been a dunk contest. I think BC said it. So it should have been. This would have been about 2004, 2003, 4. But that is the case now, right? This is
Starting point is 00:14:03 not an image thing. you're like the 80s those guys was forced because of the image Jordan had a he had an interest he had a personal interest his shoes, his brand that was the number one thing that sold his shoes because once he took off from the line
Starting point is 00:14:17 he could fly now look Dr. J and Connie Hawkins they were the first guys David the Skywalker David Thompson was the first Skywalker. Then Kenny Walker and the lady got that name. But David Thompson was the first guy. They called him the Skywalker.
Starting point is 00:14:33 But when Michael Jordan took her from that free throw line and he held it out like this, it was over. It was over. Nobody looked for that shoe. So now, now, so he's entering for a force, for something that impact his life. Here, they don't have that. So you're going to have to entice them with something like it was for Jordan, right?
Starting point is 00:15:04 You're going to have to give these guys something. The money done got so great now, Gil. I'm surprised Jalen Brown didn't. Jalen Brown got a contract for $307 million. What the hell they can offer me? A million? You better, hey, Gil, the tag which you can offer me,
Starting point is 00:15:21 you better offer me with the baddest IG girl two weeks straight with the baddest IG girl two weeks straight with the baddest IG girl. That's all you got. You know what the All-Star Game winner gets? The game, it's how much? I played 50 grand. Second play, the losing team, 35 grand.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Man, that's great money. You know what we got, the winners for the Pro Bowl? 10 grand. You know what the losers got? Five grand. And we going to Hawaii. You take five people to Hawaii, put them up in a hotel room that's 250 a night and feed them for a week and see
Starting point is 00:15:53 how much that cost you. But y'all doing that at the end of the season. This is All-Star weekend when we don't want to be there. You telling me to play hard? Listen, if I make $100,000, $200,000 a game, you better jump your price up.
Starting point is 00:16:10 You better jump your price up. I made $200,000. Jump your price up. I got you, boss. Ben Carter said the NBA offered him LeBron, Kobe, Tracy McGrady, a million each to do the gun contest. BC said, and I quote,
Starting point is 00:16:25 I know for a fact a couple of years back that the NBA tried this tactic as far as upping the ante a little bit. A million dollars they threw around to some names like Braun, Colby, T-Mac. My name was thrown in there, of course, and a few other people for a million dollars. But you couldn't get a commitment
Starting point is 00:16:41 from everyone to do it. And even I was like, eh, I'll wait to see what the field does. There it goes. I want to see. See, and there is a competitiveness in it. If LeBron says yeah, Vince says yeah. If Kobe says yeah, Vince and Bron says yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Right? You want to see what the field does. Right? See, so when people say it's not competitive, when it comes to your individual, see, this is the thing that people don't understand. When it comes to the individual himself, that means I don't have nobody else with me.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Oh, let's party. We want to see who the best dunker in? Let's party. You want to see who the best three-point shooter is? Let's party. See, if I got to rely on nine other players and a coach to come out here and perform, there becomes an issue, right? But if you say,
Starting point is 00:17:32 let's dunk, let me see who's entering. All right, Jay Rinch entered, Kobe, I'm in. Let's put the jumping ability to the test. That's why I said, go one-on-one. One-on-one in the NBA, you can have them pay.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Say there's a million dollars for the winner, but you got to pay to enter. Watch how many players enter that damn thing. And guess what? And guess what? I want to make you have a million dollars.
Starting point is 00:17:56 You don't like the World Series of poker when they get to the final two? They bring the money and sit it on the table? There you go. That's what y'all playing for. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, Hey, you're going to have players who ain't even part of it sitting there doing this.
Starting point is 00:18:12 Yeah, baby. Baby. We're going to miss shit. You put the money out there. God damn. Everybody looking too. There's no everybody looking. Because this is a matter of your pride yourself.
Starting point is 00:18:26 That's what it is. Two on two, three on three. Like, I will do this. Let's say three on three, right? Everybody who makes the all-star, the 24 players who make the all-star, right? Three on three. Three on three. You got eight teams of threes, right?
Starting point is 00:18:43 Four on the west, four on the east. Four players on each side. You pick your team to compete. Then we have bracket play, right? Go to seven. The winner wins this. There's no joking around now. Right.
Starting point is 00:19:00 Because now, if I'm Bron, I'm sitting here like, all right, my first pick. Now I'm thinking about who's going to go home. All right, give me Book. Now you got players really building their rosters. Now we're playing. We're playing West against West. Then we go against the East. Now you're three on three.
Starting point is 00:19:23 You have different bracket plays. You have a more competitive game and you still get the same, the same 24 all-stars. I like it. I know three on three, you're talking about a whole different game because I'm not going,
Starting point is 00:19:36 you're not just going to sit there and shoot a half-court shot. We're going to seven, bro. Hell no. Every position matters. And you think about it now, let's say LeBron, LeBron, LeBron,
Starting point is 00:19:46 he got cat with him and cat shot two threes and then he sit there doing one of these again. Like, nah, man. Nah, bro. You got, you got Ant-Man guarding you.
Starting point is 00:19:55 Get your ass in the post. That's what it end up happening. More pride would be taken if they did it that way. The five on five, let it go. You ain't getting nothing out of it no more. The post-game era in Portland
Starting point is 00:20:08 is looking rough. The Blazers have lost 60% of their local viewership, indicating a significant drop in their fan base. The next biggest drop is Brooklyn, whose local viewership is down 38%. 60%. What does that say about
Starting point is 00:20:24 the importance of stars? They're everything. Everything. But we knew Portland was going to take a hit. The guy everybody came to see was Dame. We know you were going to lose
Starting point is 00:20:40 some fans because of the trade. You were going to lose some fans because of the record. One, you have to build the team back up. You have to to lose some fans because of the record. So, one, you have to build the team back up. You have to build the excitement back up. We get that. Brooklyn, you guys in New York, you will hope that just the city
Starting point is 00:20:55 itself would have retained its fans. Gil, you had KD, James Harden, and Kyrie. Now, all of those guys are gone what about they're going they reverted back to what the brooklyn nets used to be they reverted back to new jersey yes i mean i mean i i mean i'm not trying to be crass or anything but it's the fact. It's a star driven league and the superstars is
Starting point is 00:21:28 what get butts in the seat and get eyeballs on the tube. And Brooklyn doesn't have one. The Portland Trailblazers doesn't have one. The Portland Trailblazers had Bill Walton. Foot injuries, he left. They had Brandon Roy.
Starting point is 00:21:43 Injuries, He gone away. LaMarcus Aldridge, the next player. He goes to San Antonio. And now, dang, the last guy they have, they're all, we got a guy that injuries and then he doesn't want to leave. We got a guy. And he's like, no, I'm gone. So Portland's like, well, damn.
Starting point is 00:22:02 The stars that we've had either were forced to retire early or left. Yep. And like you said, build back up. That's a lot easier said than done because you know what Brooklyn was before they got Kevin Durant. Do you know what Portland was? Yeah, they won a few games because LaMarcus Arden was a very good player. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:29 But once they got Dame, and then it seemed like he, I mean, I think they could have been really good if he'd have stayed with Dame. But he wanted to go, you know, they sold him a dream, this is going to be your team, yada, yada, yada. He goes to san antonio and it would work i mean because kawai kawai was great but kawai hurt that foot against golden state and then the next year he had that that quad injury they didn't believe he was injured as much as he said he was and it is just go yeah When you're in a small market,
Starting point is 00:23:05 you're going to have to have a really big name or really good solid team. Yes. You know, just, there's just some teams that can't sustain down sizes like this. Like that is surprising. And, you know,
Starting point is 00:23:17 Portland and Brooklyn have to really look at themselves and look at what they're doing because you have a team in Detroit that lost 29 straight games and they in front of you. Oh, yeah, that's bad. You know what I mean? They're in front of you because Detroit supports their team, right? When they were playing Toronto that day, that was a sold-out crowd and they on 29-game losing streak, right? Importantly, you don't have anything but basketball.
Starting point is 00:23:48 You ain't got no hockey team. You ain't got no baseball team. I know Seattle is up there, but that's not important. So what the problem is, they should be in there. Lower your tickets, goddamn it. Hey, hey, right now you got WNBA prices. How about that? Hey, hey, it's a promise of a prayer. Hey, you got Nike headquarters up there. Hey, promise of a got WNBA prices. How about that? Hey, you got Nike headquarters.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Hey, promise me a pair of Nikes. Everybody that comes by to get to the game, you get a pair of Nikes. Air Force Ones or some Air Maxes or something. Hey, treat it like Wendy's. Hey, tonight is a 4-for-4 special. Come and get your 4-for-4. 4 tickets. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:25 For real. 4 tickets. 4 and get your 4 for 4. 4 tickets. Yeah. For real. 4 tickets, 4 hot dogs, 4 sodas, and nachos for $40. For $40. Come on.
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Starting point is 00:26:38 Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafak, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra,
Starting point is 00:27:21 you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Take this out, Gil. Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, Luke Longley go on a tour addressing The Last Dance.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Pippen and Grant have been vocal about their portrayal in the ESPN docuseries. Horace Grant was quick to call Jordan a liar for claiming he leaked information to Sam Smith to Jordan Rules, while Scotty went on to say how upset he was at his portrayal and even released a memoir titled Unguarded, where he shares stories about dealing with Michael Jordan. The tour is set to begin February 23rd in Tasmania and will be making stops in Melbourne and Sydney. Grant said, well, as you
Starting point is 00:28:32 know, I speak my mind and it's going to be no BS tour. Believe me, I'll tell you this, the X Factor in the first three and the second three, I would have kicked Dennis Robbins. You know what? Come out, get the tickets.
Starting point is 00:28:47 You'll hear a lot. Now, when the last dance aired, Horace Grant reached out to me. We're both from Georgia. He's from middle Georgia. I'm from south Georgia. And he reached out to me because he wanted to clear some things up. And he said, there's some other stuff.
Starting point is 00:29:04 And I said, well, I said, you know, I called up and said, ho, I don't really feel like sharing this. But we was in a pandemic at that time, Gil. I said, no, I don't feel comfortable sharing this. But once we get out of the pandemic, I would love to have
Starting point is 00:29:20 you on to share this, what you're telling me. But I don't feel comfortable because people will say, well, Sheldon, you hate it. You hate Jordan. And he probably didn't even say that. So they're going to need to hear that come out your mouth. And so I'm interested to hear what's going to come out of his mouth. Is it going to be similar to what he shared with me? Because that's what I'm interested to see. And so that's why I like and I was like, I like, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:45 but once, you know, last dance kind of went away, you know, we kind of moved on and like, okay, let's just let it go. Blah, blah, blah. But I'm going to listen to what they got to say
Starting point is 00:29:55 because look, in a lot of people's eyes, Michael Jordan can do no wrong. He's gone. And I tell people all the time, the first time I met him, I felt like I was meeting and I hate to be blasphemous or sacrilegious but he seemed like he was elevating he seemed like he
Starting point is 00:30:10 had a a a a light a shining light behind him and he was sitting on clouds that's I mean and you hear a lot of people say the exact same thing when they meet Michael Jordan for the very first time. And they're NBA players, great NBA players, and they feel like this. But obviously he had final say on whatever was going to be in the docuseries. And so, but I knew early on, but I found out, like I said, you didn't know. I thought he and Scottie were closer. And then come to find out, they're not close at all. They far apart
Starting point is 00:30:52 like Sydney and San Francisco. That's how they far apart, they argue. To be honest, I don't want to hear none of this shit. You don't want to hear none? I don't want to hear none of it shit. You don't want to hear none? I don't want to hear none of it. The reason is, and I'm going to speak for the new school.
Starting point is 00:31:10 I'm going to speak for the Kevin Durant and all of them. I don't want to hear this shit about no champion complaining about being a champion. You still hold up on championships and do whatever it takes to win a championship. Six-time champ. Three-time champ. Three-time champ. Don't give two shits about what Michael Jordan did to help you motherfuckers become a champion. Because when people come at you, you do this right here.
Starting point is 00:31:42 Whatever it took, stand on it. I don't want you complaining about how brutal he did. He told me this. You're a champion, right? I thought that's all I needed. He got me portrayed like a B-I-T-C-H. He got people thinking I'm a garden tool. I can't
Starting point is 00:31:58 have that. I can't have that. I can't have it. I got to clear my name. You're a six-time garden tool, God damn it. I want my rest it. I got to clear my name. You a sick time garden too, goddammit. I want my restitution. Listen, that's the problem. It's a conflict. It kind of makes it look bad. You done told us championships or not.
Starting point is 00:32:18 You're laughing at Charles Barkley. You're laughing at Patrick. You win. And then you tell us that you didn't like it he was a bad guy, he was a bad boss, what no, no you don't like to, y'all don't like being champions
Starting point is 00:32:34 say it ain't so when I said hey I'd rather take 300 million than seven rings y'all over here like you're crazy hey they're going around talking about no bull, their rings million, there's seven rings. Y'all over here like, you're crazy. Hey, they're going around talking about no bull. Their rings,
Starting point is 00:32:50 they got them rings and they don't seem too happy now. Yeah, I mean, look, everybody wasn't going to be Michael Jordan. And even if you had a great career, Magic doesn't have to take a backseat. Magic is a three-time MVP. He got five rings,
Starting point is 00:33:05 finals MVP three times. But everybody wasn't going to take a backseat. Magic is a three-time MVP. He got five rings. Finals MVP three times. But everybody wasn't going to be Jordan. There's only one Michael Jordan. I don't care who, how great. Somebody might score 100,000 points in their career. They are never going to be Michael Jordan because of that shoe. That shoe. Yeah, he was great.
Starting point is 00:33:22 And I don't know. Well, shout out to all the reasons. No. Understand what I'm saying. Prior to that, people wasn't wearing sneakers. Yeah, with tuxedos. People wasn't wearing sneakers with suits. People wasn't wearing sneakers to formal events.
Starting point is 00:33:41 He made it a style. It was a fashion. The sneaker became a fashion statement The sneaker became a fashion statement. His shoe became a fashion statement. And now you have everybody else adding the shoe. You get the Louis Vuitton. You get the Gucci. You get the Prada. You get the G-Bone shit. You get all of those.
Starting point is 00:33:57 But that guy did that. You know what Michael Jordan is? Everybody understanding now, especially everybody on Nightcap and Club Shade J. Michael Jordan is to basketball what Cat Williams did on your channel. Yes. Right? He did it in a style, clever, charisma, funny, gave you the drama.
Starting point is 00:34:27 He gave you such a big overall package that the field, they can't keep up. They're not going to keep up because one, him, who he is, how he moves is a whole different entity. So when you come here, you can give us the drama, but are you going to give us the charisma? Are you going to be clever? And that's who the Michael Jordan was to the world, how Cat is. So no matter who you got, everybody, we're going to be judging it off the same one man. And that's why I say sometimes there comes a force in this world that hasn't been seen before that does something that just says, oh, what is this? I remember when you said,
Starting point is 00:35:13 I think this is going to go 2.5. This is going to go to the, we're going to get by 2.5. And somebody said, yeah, you already got that right now. I had no idea. I don't think anybody thought. And I was talking to somebody at the All-Star. I say, when you saw Michael Jordan, you faced him in his rookie season. I was having a conversation with Dr. J. I said, did you know? He said, no, I thought he was good. I thought he was very good.
Starting point is 00:35:42 I thought he was going to be a great player. But nobody thought he was going to be a great player but nobody thought he was going to be that and you didn't and as great as Cat was and I was hoping for 10 to 15 million views that's what people and I tell people this I say do you understand
Starting point is 00:35:58 there's not a whole lot of there's not a whole lot of people sitting down having an interview a conversation that's doing that number yeah i had uh steve steve harvey ended up going over 11 million views i got a couple at 6 million views i say but do you understand what 10 15 million views is i say a sitcom they get 10 15 million views will be on for 20 years if they got those numbers once a week. You telling me that... No, I didn't know. No. The only person that knew that he could
Starting point is 00:36:29 generate this was Kat because he told me. He said, your life's going to change. You're going to be in a new realm, a new stratosphere, and people are going to want to come on your podcast because you offer a safe space for people to tell their truth. But he said, they're going to come for you.
Starting point is 00:36:47 And I was like, come on, Kat. I mean, I just, you know, I guess it's like somebody, I guess I'm harboring a fugitive. You know what I'm saying? Man, hey, he came to my house, but you held him up. You helped him. A vain cat. So they're looking at me because he and Monique
Starting point is 00:37:06 said what they said on my platform. They hold me culpable. Now, mind you, I've done Johnny Manziel is my 110th. He's up right now. Johnny Manziel is the 110th person. Different person because I haven't
Starting point is 00:37:22 had any repeats yet. The 110th person that I've sat down with, they judge me on two podcasts. Yep. Now, I had DC Youngfly, I had Sandy Entertainer,
Starting point is 00:37:38 I had Ricky Smiley, I had Michael Blackson, I had Steve Harvey, I had Country Wayne, I had Desi Banks, but it's two. I I had Steve Harvey, I had Country Wayne, I had Desi Banks, but it's two. I've had Magic Johnson, I've had Floyd Mayweather, I had my brother, I had DeMar DeRozan, I had
Starting point is 00:37:53 Lamar Odom, I had Steve Smith. It's two podcasts. Oh, I'm messing. So, one less than 2% of the podcast that I've sat down with people. That's how you judge me. It's funny because he knows he told you this was going to happen.
Starting point is 00:38:18 That lets you know how powerful he know what he was holding in. Right. He knew his greatness. He knew what he was holding in. Right? He knew his greatness. He knew what he was giving you. He knew it. That's why he can call it out. They're going to come for you. There's only a few people
Starting point is 00:38:33 that can beat that interview. And one is them telling on themselves. Yeah. Right? You got Diddy, right? Did he come out with a confessions one? Boom. Right?
Starting point is 00:38:43 And then you got the lady with the sexual island or whatever the hell that shit Right. And then you got the lady with a sexual island, whatever the hell that shit was. And she starts telling on the world. Yeah. Those are the only two entities, right. That can come out and do some damage like that.
Starting point is 00:38:56 But as the interviewer, when someone says, man, Shannon, I was like, Oh, cause he's supposed to know. Right.
Starting point is 00:39:04 He, he, he got his answers. I said, Shannon has his playbook. Yeah. Came in with his own fucking playbook. And my thing was, I was talking to my, I was talking to someone. I said, so let me ask you this.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Who that's in my space that do what I do would have told Cat Williams, nah, Cat, we're not going to, I don't want to. I don't want to interview Cat. I don't want to interview Monique. I don't want to hear whatever you say. We don't believe. And after he said, because at the end of the day, you might sit down with someone, but you don't have to hear it. And would have said on that. I just want to know, chat, how many people you think that do what I do from whomever, the Breakfast Club or whomever? Let's just say there are 500 people that's in the space that I'm currently in, how many of them would have cut Cat off and not
Starting point is 00:39:53 and even if they do the interview and he said exactly what he said on mine, not release it. How many people that's in the space, Monique has done 13 million views about what I thought she would get, I remember talking, I said, I believe she'll do somewhere between 10 and 15 million.
Starting point is 00:40:10 If you do the breakout clip, she's over 15 million. But I thought the entire episode would be somewhere between 10 and 15. So she's right there, smack dab, 13 million. Probably by the end of the year, she'd probably be at 15 million. So it'll do what I thought it would do. But when you look
Starting point is 00:40:27 at all the people that occupy the space that I occupy, I don't believe, I believe they're being disingenuous when they said, oh, I wouldn't let him do this, or I wouldn't have said that, or I wouldn't have even aired the clip. I don't believe it.
Starting point is 00:40:43 They're lying because the problem is when you're interviewing someone, if I interview a football player right now, I only have certain information on the guy. So he's telling you his truth. You don't know what's a truth, what's a lie for you to even call him out on anything. And that's why I said,
Starting point is 00:41:06 no matter who says something, zero people will not air that. Zero people is not going to air the Cat Williams, Hoda Moniz, because they don't know what... You're just listening to the guy talking, boom, boom, boom. You don't know what to edit.
Starting point is 00:41:21 You don't know, because it's their story. They're telling their story. We're listening, right? The only people that know that some of this stuff is a lie is the people that's involved. Now, the people that's involved, they got to come and tell their side, right? Now, when Cat does it and then they start telling their sides, now we're back. We're sitting here doing this. And you get to believe.
Starting point is 00:41:44 I don't try. And I didn't say, oh, okay. Well, try to go even further. He said what he said. I move on. She said what she said. I move on. Now, the viewing audience, the listening audience, you decide, oh, I think he lied.
Starting point is 00:41:58 That doesn't sound like something X, Y, Z would do. That doesn't sound like something X, Y, Z will say. Well, I don't believe that about knowing the person, the character that that person is. Okay. But that's not for me to decide. I had no idea when I sat down with Kent Williams. Unfortunately, guys, I don't follow the comedy circuit that close. I don't. I just don't because I'm not going to talk about it. I follow things that I know I'm going to talk about. I'm going to follow things that make me money. Basketball, football, social issues.
Starting point is 00:42:32 I follow stuff like that. I don't know about who likes who, who cool with who, who stole this, who stole that. I don't know. And I would be sitting here lying if I said I did. So when Cat came on, I knew who Cat Williams was. Hell, he used to live up in Gainesville. He and I having a conversation before, you know, he moved, he left,
Starting point is 00:42:53 he left the state of Georgia. He lives in a totally different state now. So I knew that, but all this stuff he's telling me, I didn't know because I don't follow it like that. That doesn't pay me money. Somebody want to tell me who my favorite, I can tell you who my favorite comedians are and who I listen to and who I would pay my money to go see. But all
Starting point is 00:43:14 this other stuff that he was talking about, I ain't know. I didn't. And I'm watching it from the standpoint of a host. And I'm saying, all right, what would I have cut out, right? And I'm sitting it from the standpoint of a host. And I'm saying, all right, what would I have cut out, right? And I'm sitting here like, nothing. What am I cutting out?
Starting point is 00:43:31 Right. Right? If, you know, Cedric the Entertainer said this and I allowed it, then I have to give him a chance to respond. Steve Harvey, a chance to respond. So these guys, I have to give him a chance to respond on the things that were said about him. So there's really nothing I can cut out without doing him any disjustice. Because the one thing you don't want to do is you don't want to erase something.
Starting point is 00:43:54 And then he calls you like, yo, why'd you take this out? Exactly. Because everybody say, well, he edited that out. That's not what he said. So most of the time, 98% of the time, 99% of the time, the interview is random in its entirety. Yep. Unless they say something that jeopardizes the interview itself. Yes, yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:44:15 I'm not going to like, like if he called, like I said, if he said something, like I said, I didn't think he said anything. But like if he makes some anti-Semitic statement or something that I think is going to not only damage him, but damage me also. I can't put that out. And there, you know, so for me, I like, bro, y'all actually y'all got too much time. Because Shannon got five jobs. And Shannon is like researching, trying to get ready for first take, trying to get ready for nightcap, trying to do the best deep dive I can, CJ and I, on guests on Club Shea Shea. But I don't follow it that close.
Starting point is 00:44:54 I don't know they got beat. That ain't got nothing to do with me. I'm talking about football and basketball on a daily basis. And occasionally there was a time, what, during the pandemic that we had the social issues and we had to call in Kaepernick. So, okay, now I've got to spend a lot of my time, okay, talking about that, dealing with that,
Starting point is 00:45:13 researching that, going back to history and understanding the flag and understanding the blacks and the flag and understanding what the flag represents and what I said and people got mad and said the flag doesn't represent everything to everybody. It might mean something to him, but something totally different to him.
Starting point is 00:45:30 And so because it means that to you, that doesn't mean that it has to mean that to me. And so I'm researching and understanding the history of that, but this cat thing is like, bro, I didn't expect it to get, I mean, it's about to hit 60 million views.
Starting point is 00:45:47 60. And what is it about? Are you at about 300 altogether, all the impressions and everything? Oh, 300, a million? No, 300 million. Oh, over. All the impressions and all, like, I know you're over. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Okay, okay, okay. That's like the all-star numbers, right? Some of the 60 million just for that, but overall is that. I mean, when you look at, hold on, let me see. I think he's done like 1.5 million likes or something, which is crazy. Let me see what Kat.
Starting point is 00:46:19 The biggest problem was, is Complex ranked you number one. And you stamped it goddamn it down. You see many, you put the goddamn Jordan 1s in everybody's face right after. So everybody know, goddamn it,
Starting point is 00:46:36 Shannon's number one next year too, goddamn it. And that's just the way it is. It's got 1.5 million likes, 202,000 comments, which is crazy. And I think the thing is, look, you lose your job in June. And in November, December, you're ranked number one sports personality.
Starting point is 00:46:58 And then you start to, but I told you, I said, I'm coming. I said, look, and I think the thing is that because I was talking to a good friend of mine tonight and I said, I think the thing is what happened is that when I was down and I bounced back, not only did I bounce back quick, I bounced up so high. he had to have sold his soul he had to have sold out his people even though nobody can tell you what I sold or who I sold out but I sold out my community and that's what and I was like man they mad they mad at me they upset at me
Starting point is 00:47:37 no they upset it's me that I got the cat in of you because I don't believe it with 60 million views and they know if you're I don't believe it with 60 million views and they know if you're in this space, they know what 60 million views does. They know the monetary because people
Starting point is 00:47:54 have done things trying to say, well, if he does this much CPMs and he gets this much RPMs and he gets this many downloads and he gets this many this and he gets many that, they're like, hold on. You are during COVID Amazon right now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:15 Right? You are Amazon right now for content, right? If anybody want to get something out and they know it's going to go boom they come into you if kevin hard wants to talk you got to come to you if you are you are that dude right and that what the problem is you got to remember for for the most part everyone's haters right no one knows how to compete and say hey i'm I'm trying to keep up with him. I'm following his drift. Right. Right. And so it's like I'm trying to we're trying to take each other off the road. And yeah. Right. And that's the same thing.
Starting point is 00:48:52 It's like, well, you know, Gil wants to put this on his channel and not as you. I said, I don't care. I said, I won't get to succeed. I read. Make sure you subscribe to Gil not only to his YouTube channel, subscribe to his personal page. I want to see Gil win because I saw in the pandemic, the U.S. government print money. So I know they got a lot of it. If they run out of it, they'll print more. So I'm not going to get in the way of Gil making money. If I can help Gil make money, I'm going to help Gil make money.
Starting point is 00:49:21 And if somebody comes along and they're better than me and they do a better job than me and they get more sponsors and advertisers and make more money, that's okay. Because at some point in time, I pass somebody up. And I know eventually somebody's going to pass me up. But that's not going to stop me from doing great content. I don't expect in my lifetime
Starting point is 00:49:41 to ever do another interview like this. And that's okay. This is my thriller. I got thriller. Bad was not a bad album. Off the Wall was, I believe, Off the Wall was his greatest album, even though it didn't have the commercial success as Thriller did.
Starting point is 00:49:58 I think I've done some great interviews. The Steve Harvey, I think for the most part, all the interviews that I've done have been very good. I mean, I got 24 interviews with at least 2 million. At least 2 million views. That's just the full episode.
Starting point is 00:50:14 Not counting the breakout clips. So to make it seem like all of a sudden I just burst on the scene, Club Shay Shay is about to be 4 years old in September. And I've been doing this. and I got 110 episodes I think the Johnny Mansell interview is going to be, is great
Starting point is 00:50:30 but if you don't think I can interview people go back and look at some of my work at CBS when that's what was required, that that was their platform and I got to go out and I got to like, okay you say this well I got to say, I got the stats to say that because that was
Starting point is 00:50:45 that was a different that was a different genre. That was a that was an interview. I'm having a conversation, bro. I ain't asking nobody where you from sitting down with Tony Romo or or Matthew Stafford or somebody like that. I ain't what I
Starting point is 00:51:02 sat down with Gates. Where you from? Come on. Like you't, when I sat down with Gates, where you from? Come on. Like, you see me, when I ring number seven, I'm happy. What? Right?
Starting point is 00:51:12 Because if you're a real competitor, right, you're looking at what makes people great. You're not sitting there saying, why them? Nope.
Starting point is 00:51:23 Right? Because asking the question of why them, you already lost. You said it, you got five jobs. You're like a Jamaican in this industry. That's why. He has five jobs. At some point, doing what he does, something's going to hit. I love the Country Wayne.
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Starting point is 00:55:41 And the thing is, they don't see, okay, I was in India last week. i couldn't fly back to la i flew back to atlanta because guess what i'm back in india again now i fly back to la but i got to turn around and come back to jersey now i can't go all the way back to la got to stop in atlanta because i got to go to dallas and then i fly to then i fly from dallas to la and then guess what a week later i got to be in colorado And then a week after that, I got to fly back to Georgia. So that's what you see.
Starting point is 00:56:11 You're judging me for where I am, but you don't know where I've been. And you don't know where I'm going. And I don't make... And my sister always says, Shannon, don't burn yourself out. Shannon, you're going at a breakneck speed. I said, Libby, I asked the man above to give me this.
Starting point is 00:56:27 I'm prepared for this. I'm prepared for this moment. I've always felt I could do it. But I just needed somebody to give me the opportunity. Okay? I created a space. I got people to come with me. Ash, the first two people I hired for my company,
Starting point is 00:56:43 Shaysha Media, was CJ Christian Deere and Ash Lame. I ain't got no job. Ash called me and said, Shannon, you got a job? No. She said, but I'm still going with you. CJ, hey, Shannon, what you gonna do? I said, CJ, I don't know what I'm gonna do,
Starting point is 00:57:00 but whatever it is, I want you to be a part of it. He said, Shannon, we created something special. I you to be a part of it. He said, Shannon, we created something special. I want to be a part of it moving forward. Just let me know what you're going to do. I'm paying them out of my pocket until I got, until, hey,
Starting point is 00:57:15 talking to different people, you know, talking to Colin Cowherd, talking to this group, talking to that group. But I know Colin a little bit, and I trust Jamie Horwitz because he hired me at the volume yep this is what i believe i can do we ain't got the nightcap yet start talking about nightcap jamie and i we sit around coming back who you want i said i think ocho cinco he's like huh he's not doing tv i said but i i i said i need somebody that was really good at football, but doesn't take himself too serious.
Starting point is 00:57:46 He can joke and he can take a joke. I said, that's what you need. That's what you need. I said, because we're not going to get a chance, a second chance to get people to tune in. We're not. So we got to grab them. Yep.
Starting point is 00:57:59 And that's what we did. And so that's what I've done. And instead of, you know, but I get it. I didn't I didn't see it at first. But now after, you know, having something to say to Mike and having something to say to a few people. And I look at other people, they're creating content off of what I say. I say, well, I would just keep the content for myself and put it up on my own damn page and monetize it. Y'all monetize. Y'all ain't doing no work. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:58:27 I ain't doing no work. You know what you are right now? And this is why you got to step back too. They don't know your work ethic, but they're judging you from a lens that is not even close to them. Now you see why someone like Kevin Durant and them will be defending himself on burner accounts. Because if you call, if you say something about Kevin, right, Kevin's probably watching right now.
Starting point is 00:58:59 Sure. Because if he ain't watching, he's practicing. If he ain't practicing, he's watching. If he ain't practicing, he's watching. He's watching his phone. He's watching the tube. He's watching game tape. So when someone comes at you and you defend yourself, people are like, yo, why is Shannon defending himself?
Starting point is 00:59:17 He's not defending himself in the sense of his integrity. He's defending his work ethic. He's defending everything he's put into it. And you making it seem like it's easy. You making it seem like what he does is just, he wakes up and gets to do it. You just said your next damn three weeks. And I'm sitting here like,
Starting point is 00:59:39 shit, that's like seven flights, eight flights, hotel, hotel room. You're moving faster than the NBA team right now. And I still got to do the first take and I still got to do night camp
Starting point is 00:59:49 and I still got to... I'm home for two days and I got two sit-downs on Tuesday and Wednesday and then I'm out. Back to Jersey. But that's what they don't see. So when they throw the shots at you, you defending your work ethic, right?
Starting point is 01:00:03 Yeah, you can talk about the interview and talk about me personally. Don't try to pretend what I'm doing and I'm not putting that at work. You sitting behind your computer just taking jabs at me and I'm sitting here flying across the country doing my goddamn job.
Starting point is 01:00:17 And that's how some of the athletes feel when people come at it. It's more of like I had to, nobody wanted me. I had to build a studio. This studio right here was built to do interviews. When I was thinking about interviewing,
Starting point is 01:00:33 I was like, yeah, when I do interviews and somebody wants me in an interview, I want a set. I don't want to sit there and do my phone and do this. I want a set to make it look professional so they can take me seriously. I wake up today, 3.30, to look at the Wednesday, because we got
Starting point is 01:00:49 the anniversary of the year. I'm up 3.30 taking notes. I'll be on point. Let me go ahead, search this, search that, because I know what it takes, because I watch greatness do what greatness does.
Starting point is 01:01:06 I think that's what greatness does. Right. And, and, and I, I think that's what some people don't admire. They're like, yeah, man,
Starting point is 01:01:10 you throw shots at Stephen and you throw a shot. I said, that's just competitiveness. Yeah. That has not what, what the, the reason I pay attention to everything like ultra, when you said ultra single,
Starting point is 01:01:21 I was like the one person that, that should be sitting on social media all day is Ocho. He just has that personality. Back from 2010, 11, he was just funny as hell. And I was like, yo, he's a social media darling, right? Jamie didn't understand that. You did, right? Somebody else who's sitting there who can grab numbers is
Starting point is 01:01:45 Marshawn Lynch, right? I look at it from the standpoint the same way you look at it. Like, whose great combos is, you know, because sometimes everybody doesn't see it. You know, so, like, you and Ultra, I'd be sitting there dying laughing. It's like, these are, he makes you feel young.
Starting point is 01:02:02 And that's the thing. Like, he makes you smile. Like, even when I'm watching it, I just automatically just tease. And people think it's easy. I mean, if it's easy, everybody could do it.
Starting point is 01:02:12 People don't realize I worked on getting cat for over a year. A year. I started reaching out to cat back in 2022. Yeah, maybe I think,
Starting point is 01:02:23 yeah, I don't know. Probably. Yeah. We see. I don't like to really do. I don't like to do sit down. You heard him say it. I don't know probably yeah we see I don't like to really do I don't like to do sit down you heard him say it I don't do these stuff
Starting point is 01:02:28 and to get him to sit down and to get him to feel comfortable enough to open up uh Monique to get her to feel talk to Monique she's like she's like baby uh I'm gonna need to talk to you you're gonna hey put him on speakerphone I talked to her and her husband She's like, baby, I'm going to need to talk to you.
Starting point is 01:02:47 Hey, put me on speakerphone. I talked to her and her husband. Mo, I ain't going to put you in a bad spot. This is your opportunity. You come on here. You speak. I'm not going to interrupt you. You tell your truth. That's it.
Starting point is 01:03:00 You got a team. I brought a team out. First, hey, whatever you need, hey. She's like, I got to make up. I got this. You got a team. I brought a team out. First, hey, whatever you need. Hey, she's like, yeah, I got to make up. I got this. I got this. I'm going to need these people. No problem. Are these the people that normally travel with you? Boom, boom, boom. Got to take care of it. Do you need a place to stay? We got all that taken care of. She said, no, baby, I'm coming in. I'm going to do this and I'm going to get back on the floor. OK, whatever you
Starting point is 01:03:25 need do we have need to have anything do we need to have food catered no that's hey we could uh i'm very respectful i talked a lot of times i talked to the guests uh you know what are you are you pitching anything you have a movie you got a book you have something coming out something you want to promote, I believe everybody should benefit from coming on Club Shaysha. Not just Shannon. I believe you should benefit. If you got something you want to promote,
Starting point is 01:03:52 I got almost 3 million subs. It's going to be seen by a lot of different people. By the time I put it up on YouTube, by the time I put it up on IG, I put it up on Twitter, I put it on my Facebook, we chop it up, put it on TikTok, a lot of eyes gonna see this. I look at it, you come into my house
Starting point is 01:04:13 and I prepare the table and I want everybody to feast. And that's why everybody mad because you are giving out a one red carpet service and you force everybody to step their damn game up when they wasn't ready to. Right? You talking about you flying everybody out, you doing it. They can't do this.
Starting point is 01:04:38 They can't do it. So what ends up happening is, oh, we mad, and you done raised the price. You done got LeBron James. You done got all these people in your arena. Ticket prices go up, and that's what you did on people's podcasts, right? You put the price of red carpet event now, right? So if I want the Club Shay Shay experience, God damn it, I got to go to Club Shay Shay.
Starting point is 01:05:04 Yeah, for sure. I can tell you this, no Jill Gill ain't giving you none of that. And I don't, I'm not, you don't come on my, I don't judge.
Starting point is 01:05:12 People are like, well, you asked, you asked Brittany Renner. I said, I didn't ask Brittany Renner anything. She volunteered and said that. She and I had
Starting point is 01:05:20 a great conversation before. I talked to her. I said, Brittany, I'm not trying to put you in no bad spot. She's like, I'm an open book. She said, Shannon, I ain't got anything to hide.
Starting point is 01:05:28 I've done what I've done. And I'm who I am. Okay. Tell me what you need from me. She's like, I'm going to be out here. I'm going to be out here in L.A. at this certain time. I said, okay, this is the time that I normally shoot. I can move it up or back, you know, 30 minutes.
Starting point is 01:05:44 I'll give it to accommodate you. I can move it up or back, you know, 30 minutes. I will give it to accommodate you. I'm accommodating the guests. That's why I try to do my tapings, Gil, on Thursdays and Fridays because I'm working. I got Sunday night nightcap. I got first take. Then I got nightcap again. I got first take.
Starting point is 01:06:03 And so what I'm trying to do is like, okay, I don't really have anything. And then, you know, Wednesday, I got nightcap again. I got first tape. And so what I'm trying to do is like, okay, I don't really have anything. And then, you know, Wednesday, I got nightcap with you. We'll have Thursday again,
Starting point is 01:06:10 but okay, I can do, so I'm trying to do everything. Guess I can only shoot Monday. Okay. Chris Brown said, Hey, I love,
Starting point is 01:06:20 I want to sit down with you all man. He's, I appreciate the support that you're giving me, but I can only do it Friday at 8 o'clock at my house. I'm there. T.I. said, hey, Unc, hey, bro, you know I want to sit down with a Georgia homie, but I can only do Saturday at 4 o'clock in the afternoon.
Starting point is 01:06:42 There is not a time that a guest can say shannon i can sit down in which i will not have that team ready so ain't no update if you work with club shea shea or you work with nightcap there is no day off because i call you on you on call like a doctor it's that cold hey you won't call i call it might be a thursday if Thursday. If I call this team and say, hey, we got an interview tomorrow at two, I guarantee you, that thing gonna be lined up. When that guest come in, he gonna get mic'd up, or he gonna get mic'd up, and we
Starting point is 01:07:14 ready to go. That's how we operate. If you don't want to operate on doctor's rules, doctor's code, on 24-hour notice, hey, Shea Shea Media ain't the place for you. It's really that simple. There's only one way we're going to do things. This is my way right here. And everybody knows that.
Starting point is 01:07:29 Hey, she's on calls all the time. She's hitting me up. Shannon, what do you think about this? Shannon, what do you think about that? A lot of stuff she does, he's not going to do that. He don't want to do any of that. No, he's going to be mad if y'all do this. But that's the way we operate, Grill. We are a well-oiled machine.
Starting point is 01:07:47 Well-oiled. And I said, look, this is what, look, my team, our media team, this is where we're going to take our vacation. Now, if you need to take a vacation before that, you're probably going to come back and ain't going to have a job. This is the way we're going to do it. Now, you want in? I'm going to pay you a great salary. A great salary. I'm talking about great. Jordan,
Starting point is 01:08:11 you're going to get a great salary. You're going to fly. You're going to stay at a great hotel. You're going to get everything comp, but I'm going to need you X, Y, and Z. You want to work out? He loves working out. Don't let work out get in the way of what we got to do now. If you got to take your ass at midnight and go work out,
Starting point is 01:08:30 go work out at midnight. But don't you miss nothing. Man, I damn near want a job. But I hope everybody is taking notes because you're asking the question, why is someone successful? And he's telling you exactly why. And I'm sitting here like, okay, so look, I need to get my shit together, right? Because, you know, there's levels.
Starting point is 01:09:02 There's steps to this, right? You know, and having a solid team you know is step one having one that really believes in the brand of step one and from there you know just putting heads together but you know i'm i'm always in awe of listening to you know why you're at the top right we can all sit here and guess and stuff, but there is a machine, and the machine is you. Oh, we work. There is a machine.
Starting point is 01:09:29 Oh, we work. It's you. Oh, okay. It ain't no ifs, ands, or buts about it. And people are like, you know, and I'm like, hey, well, yeah, we think this is a guy. I say, well, okay, what's his work ethic?
Starting point is 01:09:38 Nah, I say, well, it ain't gonna work. It's not gonna work. I mean, you come up with this thing, we working. We work. because people say people like i want this this and this but are you willing to work for it are you willing to pay the price that it takes to be successful i am i know what it takes to be successful i've been successful at damn near everything that i've done but there's a price to be paid for that there's a work ethic
Starting point is 01:10:04 needs to go in there's a study habit and i for that. There's a work ethic that needs to go in. There's a study habit. And I ain't got no problem with working because I've worked harder for less. And I've worked harder for other people. I said, so if I can work that hard and I'm getting a check,
Starting point is 01:10:19 now I like this marketplace because I can create, there ain't no salary cap on this. Right. I can make as much money as the content. If I produce great content and people like my content, there ain't no telling how much I can make, but I love that aspect of it.
Starting point is 01:10:40 Yes. I love putting it on me because I don't have the luxury of having somebody that's going to cut me a check. Okay. Okay. We're going to eat. We're going to eat, but we're going to work. You eat what you kill, though, Gil. That's the simple part.
Starting point is 01:10:55 You eat what you kill. Well, old lion's stomach is starting to rumble. He's like, damn, we ain't killed nothing today, Friday. What are we going to do? Well, we got to killed nothing today, Friday. What we gonna do? Well, we gotta get on that grind. We gotta get better at our tactics in which we can corner this animal. Well, we gotta
Starting point is 01:11:11 get better at our tactics in which we can create this content in which people want to consume. They want to see it. They want to hear it. That's how we do it, Gil. That's how we do it. And I've got great teammates that want to do this. And if they don't,
Starting point is 01:11:28 can't be here. Ooh, hey, hey. I tell everybody, the same thing my grandfather told my brother and I. He said, y'all ain't got to do nothing, but you just can't do it here. You ain't got to work hard. You just can't do it here.
Starting point is 01:11:44 You got to give, hey, I did everything. What you want? You want 401k? Boom. You want health and benefits? Boom. What were you making? Okay, I'm going to give you $35,000 more than what you was making. But I'm very demanding. You can
Starting point is 01:12:01 see my person. I am very demanding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's what they want. And that's what we get. We travel good. Yeah, let's get to your MVP picks. Nikola Jokic, 26, 12, and 9. Nuggets, 36 and 13.
Starting point is 01:12:16 Shea, 31, 5 and a half, 6 and a half, 37 and 17. Giannis Antetokounmpo, Greek freak, 31-11, 6.5. 35-21. Luka Doncic, 34 points, 9 rebounds, 9.5 assists, 32-23. And Jason Tatum, 27, 8.6, 5, 43-12. Who's your MVP right now? I'm going to go with Shea. Okay.
Starting point is 01:12:44 And the reason I'm going to go with Shea is Okay. And the reason I'm going to go with Shea is it's the youngest team in the NBA. No one had this team at two, at the all-star break. You have a young guy leading a young team and he's putting up the same numbers as guys
Starting point is 01:13:05 who have superstars with them. So it's hard for me to give a superstar the benefit of the doubt when he has another player with him and you have a guy who has not one proven soul following his lead.
Starting point is 01:13:22 He is Shannon Sharp in round two. I ain't got no job right now. I don't know what we're going to do, but I know I want you with me. And he's taking them to the promised land right now. So it's like, that's who I'm going with. That's the MVP.
Starting point is 01:13:36 You think he could do enough to finish out the season as the MVP? To be honest, man, if voters are voting on what an MVP is, if his team is top three, it'd be wild because Minnesota, you have
Starting point is 01:13:55 Ant-Man, you have Rudy, you have Cat, right? You know, the Clippers shit, you got damn near horrible. Why Paul George Harden? And Russell coming off the bench. Denver, you're the championsippers shit. You got damn near. Why Paul George Harden? And Russell Cronin. Denver, you're the champions, right? Denver, you are the defending champion.
Starting point is 01:14:10 So you should be number one. So the only person in here who does not have a resume or a team that has a resume is Shea. And he's putting up 30. So it's going to be hard to knock him off. Like you will have to be so biased and try to justify him not winning it because no one put him in his category here. Right.
Starting point is 01:14:38 Believe the Lakers can turn it around after the All-Star game. A Laker Warriors elimination game would give the standing, would give the standing, give us, a Lakers-Warriors elimination game would give the standing give us now. Lakers has considerable work remaining to move up to the eighth spot, but the Lakers have played much
Starting point is 01:14:51 better late and could play even better once Dinwiddie acclimates himself. I think the thing for me, Gil, what I love most about the Lakers is that the way they played when LeBron didn't play. That lets me know that when he comes back, what they're capable of. I saw D-Lo. D-Lo has been unbelievable.
Starting point is 01:15:10 Anthony Davis has been healthy. He's been a monster. He's going to be on the All-NBA team. Austin Reed just gets better, better, and better. And I love the Dinwiddie addition. I believe he's going to get even better. And Rui Hachimura. Rui been spectacular. How high do you believe they can go? Can they get to the five? Can they get
Starting point is 01:15:32 to the six? Are they relegated? Do you believe they're going to remain in the play-in? Because right now they're nine. The sixth spot is by the Pelicans at 33. So they're like three games back of the appeals. I actually think they can get to six.
Starting point is 01:15:52 It's all going to really depend on this. When they don't have LeBron, it seems like a student when the substitute teacher gets there, right? They themselves, right? They themselves act like that. Like, I need Rui and all of them. Be you when LeBron gets back.
Starting point is 01:16:18 Get out the fanboy tactic. Get out the, you know, LeBron. I need to worry about what LeBron's thinking. Fuck what he's thinking be you he wouldn't adjust to you what makes guys great they will adjust to you he is going to be looking at all right you guys are doing this all right i can i can take a couple days off right and then when you really need me to step up i can step step up. But they have to really go in and be aggressive. And if they if they get to come out and be aggressive while LeBron is on that floor, I think they can get six.
Starting point is 01:16:57 Time for our last segment of the day where we answer y'all's super chat questions. It's called Q and A. Check this, Gil. Hey, man. All right. Him underscore 910 asks, do you think the NBA could somehow incorporate Ice Cube's big three during the All-Star weekend if the NBA and Cube could come to some kind of agreement? And now that I think about it, I'm kind of mad that I said that because I'm a fan if you tried to really incorporate the three-on-three into the All-Star game and really give back.
Starting point is 01:18:01 Not necessarily to Cube himself, but give back to your legacy because your legacy is in that. Dr. J is there. Brent Berry is there. The guys are there so you're not giving back to him. You're giving back to them. So to try to incorporate this three-on-three
Starting point is 01:18:20 and they could be the coaches of it, it'd be for a great story. It doesn't infringe on what the NBA is doing, having a three. Like your retired players who are retiring, they have a place to go. You should be part of that.
Starting point is 01:18:36 R. Stone said we need a dunk contest of champions. What you mean? And them guys old. Who dunk? What champions? And them guys old. Who dunked? What champion? Man, Michael Jordan. Mike, like 60.
Starting point is 01:18:53 Mike ain't been dunked no more, man. The only one probably, Vince. Vince, like 47. He can dunk still, though, but, you know. Yeah, he ain't getting up like he once could. I think they should do this. I think they should put a rule in anybody who enters the dunk contest, right?
Starting point is 01:19:13 You pay them and that contract is a three-year contract unless they are hurt. So now like somebody like a Jalen Green and you got these dunkers. So like, you know, somebody like Zach Levine and them, you have them for three years and you get to protect your integrity of the dunk contest for at least three years. And you just keep moving into these in, you know, John Morant, I get him for three years, right? The Zion, I can get him for three. it that way where you can lock them down to a three-year contract instead of going each year trying to figure out
Starting point is 01:19:46 who's going to participate this year. Stephanie Warfield asked, Gil, how do you feel about women's feet? As for what? Put them in your'm just are they clean man unless they got vinegar on them I ain't putting them in my mouth
Starting point is 01:20:13 they gotta be pig feet listen I'm what they call shallow I got my eye I got my eye on the ball. I don't care about your fingernails. Where I'm going, is it good? If it's good, I don't care about the grass.
Starting point is 01:20:35 So now we nightcap after dark. God dang it, Gil. I was trying to get out of here. And there you go, got this nightcap after dark. Lord have mercy. Listen, hey'all. Listen, hey, listen, when I walk in and there's roaches on the wall,
Starting point is 01:20:51 how's the food here? Is the food good? I get, hey, I don't like it. The roaches, huh? They should crush it, but it's good. I might need to let you and Ocho have a shoot. I'm going to kiss some corns, baby. There you go, baby. I'm going to kiss, hey, I'm going to kiss some, I'm going to kiss some corns, baby. One, there you go, baby.
Starting point is 01:21:07 I'm going to go to the, I'm going to go to the drawer and get a pair of my socks to put on your feet. Hey, socks on. Listen, if you got your t-shirt on because you, you care about your, your stretch marks. Oh, Lord. That's not what I'm here for. I'm not here to judge. Oh, Gil, man, Gil, say it ain't so, Gil. Come on, Gil.
Starting point is 01:21:27 I'm here to enjoy, not judge. I thought you, Gil, I thought you, you know. Oh, man, here. This man say he don't care about nothing. Hey, hey, hey, hey, you might have been the Hooper. You might have been the Hooper back in the day. You got black toes. I don't know, but I'm not going to judge.
Starting point is 01:21:46 Yeah, Ocho just called me and said Gil lied. He be on them toes heavy. Nah, Gil said he be on the toes heavy. Yeah, Gil said he ain't got the... Gil said, hey, look here. He ain't got no standards. Not no toes
Starting point is 01:22:03 or no hands. Give us an answer. Twos and fues, threes and fours. Hey, everybody look pretty when them lights go out. 180, 210, you know, 180, you ain't a lady. 210, count me in. 220, I had a minute. Hey, 220, you just can't get on top. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:22:24 I'm trying to breathe after. You know what I mean? That's it. Ocho say, uh, uh, uh. Ocho say, you eat cakes. What's the flavor on? What's the flavor on? I need some water. I had a joke over here. What's the flavor on? I need some water. I got a joke over here.
Starting point is 01:22:46 What's the flame? Man! Ocho, you and Gil need to do a segment. Alpha Dark. I'm going to do a first round and then you and Gil take over. Nah. A little whipped cream in there
Starting point is 01:23:05 Ocho said you his guy cause uh cause that's what he do too hey man uh Trey said hey guys love the show caught pneumonia could I get a prayer love been watching early undisputed letting the haters talk you going up
Starting point is 01:23:24 Trey bro I'm glad you're back with us, bro. I am sorry because I know that pneumonia gets you down, but it had me down. But I couldn't take no days off. I had to fight through it, Trey. But I'm glad, bro. I am glad you're better. I'm glad you're back on your feet.
Starting point is 01:23:38 Thanks for the support. And everybody in the chat is sending you love and prayers. Make sure you feel better. Stay better, bro. We really appreciate you. D-Roll asked, if we keep scoring for 30 days, you and RC, who
Starting point is 01:23:51 is the cleanest? Who wins? Man, I retired my crown as the best dress. Man, y'all know what I do. Man, y'all know what I do. I mean, I just, I didn't, I stopped, like,
Starting point is 01:24:07 going overboard with the dress, because I didn't want people to take the ball and go home. But they know me. They know what I bring to the table. They know I keep that thing. Was you like that when you played? Was you into dressing? No, I didn't.
Starting point is 01:24:24 The only time I wore a suit is when we we traveled I didn't wear a suit to the game like a lot of these guys do now but I dressed up uh you know I had turtlenecks and you know jeans and had uh Chelsea boots or you know different different stuff like that but I didn't I didn't come to the game with a t-shirt on like some of these guys and flip-flop but uh I was very presentable I always cared about how I looked. Even when I didn't really have any money,
Starting point is 01:24:49 I had Lee jeans and Izod and Fox shirts and Jabot and had all that stuff. So I was one of those guys that always, you know, cared about my appearance and made sure I was, you know, clean even though you can't tell now I got a shave in the morning. But no, no. RC, you know you can't tell now I got a shave in the morning but but no no RC RC you know you can't see me who it is now this man Ocho
Starting point is 01:25:15 he the best dressed with ease listen I can't compete I'm not even gonna lie I don't know. I'm not even going to lie. I don't know if I'm a 36 or a 38. You just grabbing it, throwing it on her. Look, I get dressed to pretend that my shit together. I got it. Listen, I got this
Starting point is 01:25:46 on with flip flops oh yeah you inside so you good as long as you don't leave your house like that you straight I went to the mall like this oh lord have mercy I was at the mall like this
Starting point is 01:26:03 I mean man I don't wear flip flops I was at the mall like this, huh? I mean, man, I don't wear flip-flops. I don't wear sandals no more. Like if I'm at the house, I wear Crocs in the house because, you know, she'll say I'm dirty, so I got to take my shoes off at the door, put the Crocs on. I got shoes that I take the dog out the back with or I walk the dog around the neighborhood. So now, but sometimes, sometimes, you know what?
Starting point is 01:26:37 I'm just I've run to the store, but it's early in the morning. It's like as soon as the supermarket open, it's over at seven. I'm there at 702. I'm normally the first guy in there. Grab what I grab and i'm up out of there so so i don't get too dressed but if i'm going and i think somebody might see me now the worst they're probably gonna see me with workout clothes because a lot of times sometimes i stop by after working out and i got workout clothes but i ain't i ain't shabby i ain't i ain't haggardly or anything like that but i i try to be as resentable as possible when I step out. Okay.
Starting point is 01:27:06 Okay. Okay. D love ask. Oh, do you have a clothing line? Nope. But I'm about to get one. We're working on it.
Starting point is 01:27:16 We're working on it. D love. We're working on it. We we're, we're working on it. We put some, um, we've been working on it for now for about three,
Starting point is 01:27:23 four months. And so I think we're going to have something here in the next month that I'm very, very excited about. Very, very, very, very,
Starting point is 01:27:31 very excited about. Ah, you got to send me a package. I got you. Please, please make sure y'all hit that subscribe button. Make sure you hit the like button. Please make sure y'all,
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