Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Isiah Thomas unloads on Jordan & why NBA rivalries don't exist anymore

Episode Date: March 14, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Gilbert Arenas discuss Isiah Thomas' explosive comments on "The Draymond Green Podcast", why NFL rivalries are more intense than ones in the NBA, and much more! 0:00 Isiah Thomas tells Draymond says Durant saved the Warriors dynasty10:40 Isiah Thomas says relationship with MJ isn’t salvageable18:00 Devin Booker says rivalries don’t exist anymore37:30 Jaylen Brown likes post saying he’d be MVP if he was no. 1 option39:30 Doc Rivers thinks Clippers should retire jerseys of CP3, Griffin and DeAndre Jordan40:30 Shaq doesn’t think Rudy Gobert is a great defender against best big men48:15 Steph Curry says he’s considering career in politics after career52:30 Q and Ayyyyy1:00:00 Much More Nightcap! #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair.

The things that happened were so bizarre and insane I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran-Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Gail, it's time for our next segment. It's called News Cap, and we're going to be sticking with the Warriors. Take a listen to the sound. We're going to be sticking with the Warriors. Isaiah Thomas was on the Draymond Green podcast, and this is what he had to say that Kevin Durant did for the Warriors legacy. Let's take a listen to it. Let me make a bold statement here. Yes, sir. And I hope this don't upset you. Before Kevin Durant arrived in Golden State, y'all were on the verge of being remembered as the team that went 73-9 and lost to the Cleveland Cavalier team in the finals.

You were up 3-1 and probably one of the biggest collapse in NBA finals history. Kevin Durant comes that summer and really saves y'all basketball legacy. You win two championships after that. The Golden State Warriors dynasty that you're going to go into the Hall of Fame on and everything else, it is cemented because Because if Durant don't come that summer, and you guys are remembered as the 73-9 team, all of your legacies are different. Eli! No, nothing, nothing. But the part that he left out, it also saved KD's legacy.

If he don't got no championships, we're not looking at him the same, Gil. No. Hold on. Gil, we got to speak to what we know. We can't speak to what we don't. Because I can't say, man, if Gil was 6'9 and had healthy knees for 15, man, Gil be going to the hall. He might have him a couple of weeks. We got to deal with what we know.

Mm-hmm. And what we know is Draymond said it. They wouldn't have won. They wouldn't have beat Cavs. They would never beat the Cavs again. If KD didn't come, right? That came out of Draymond Green's mouth before.

We didn't need Draymond to tell us that. We knew that. You can chase down 3-1, Gil. You ain't beating that team again. Now, this is the problem here, though. Okay, tell me. One player legacy was sacrificed for three other players' legacy.

See, Kevin Durant going there, yeah, it gave him two championships, two finals MVPs, but no one respected him in the media world. While that same move cemented three players in the Hall of Fame, one as probably the best point guard that ever played, that's going to get a statue, right? Top 75. His sacrifice gave them that, right?

And that is the reality of it because without those two championships, we don't know what happens to Golden State because they was laughed at. They were there for sure that summer. And when Katie went there, that stopped all laughs. Nobody remembered what just happened. Nobody even started talking.

Nobody talked about the Cavs as the defending champs. Right. Soon as Katie said, I'm going there. The championship was Golden States and all they had to do was deliver but the problem was his legacy was tainted forever because of it

yes and Steph Curry's plays elevated elevated and that's the only problem I have is like damn you sacrifice one to build up three. Yep. But he did it.

He felt that's what he needed to do. But the media can't be mad at these players because y'all put so much, they put so much emphasis on rings. So guys feel like, okay, I give me a ring. KD said, okay, I'll go grab me a ring or two. And then what y'all going to say? Y'all might not like the manner in which I got him, but I got him. Y'all can't say I'm not a champion. Yeah.

So I don't begrudge a player because this is what you force those guys to do. Because you don't evaluate the player on what you see. You're like, well, if he don't want to, bro, do you understand that it takes a team to win title? See, but I think what fans get mad about and they don't get mad if teams put them together. Look at those Lakers team. The Lakers had Kareem and Magic and got the number one pick worthy. The year that Magic got drafted, that same year, Kareem won the MVP.

So you tell me, you think that's, so what's the likelihood of the team that wins the MVP, the team that wins the championship, the player that they draft, somebody from that is going to turn out to be Magic, won the finals MVP. You're never going to see that again you're never going to see a rookie win the finals MVP Gil I hope you enjoyed it

I'm old enough to remember when it happened but had Kareem not missed that game people don't realize how good Kareem was in that series Kareem was averaging 33 and 13 go look it up Kareem was averaging 33 and 13 it look it up Kareem was averaging 33 and 13 I'd imagine get this

when Kareem was being so dominant averaging 5 blocks for that series the only team that can actually do some damage like that is OKC since they have two damn near lottery first round picks they can somehow sneak and get two good players with the team they have two damn near lottery first round picks, they can somehow sneak

and get two good players with the team they have. But he ain't going to be, but he's not going to be MVP over Shea. But what I'm saying is that don't even exist anymore of what's going on back then in the 80s and 70s. Right. Because if you look at, look at those Celtics teams. They had Bird, top

75. Parrish, top 75. McHale, top 75. All of them together. Okay, they had Tiny Archibald on one of those championship teams, top 75. They had Dennis Johnson on that team, who was a Finals MVP and a Defensive Player of the Year on that team. They had Bill Walton. Even though he wasn't the same, he was a Finals MVP and a League MVP

and Sixth Man of the year. Okay, we're going to go to the Lakers. The Lakers had Kareem. I don't need to say anything. They had Magic. I don't need to say anything. They had Bob McAdoo. They had Jamal Wills.

They had James Worthy. So let's not pretend they've always been super teams. The only difference is the general manager. They put those teams together. So I don't care if it's a super team as long as my home, if KD don't go join Golden State

or LeBron doesn't go join Miami or this one or that one, it can be a super team. But I just don't want the players meddling because they've always been super teams. Go look at those teams that fill it up your 76ers. You don't think Moses Malone and Dr. J?

And then got Charles Barkley? Yes! They had Bobby Jones. Even Boston, even when you're talking about Bill Russell back then, people don't realize Bill Russell's rookie year another he didn't win rookie of the year

Tom Hineson did yeah and was also on the team like so how good was the teams back then like these guys that's why I said like it's been super teams it's always going to be super teams but when when a player says, all right, because no one does this. No one pushes this narrative on the owners.

No one goes back and say, hey, man, this owner sucks. This owner's not trying. They did it with Donald Sterling when they wanted to get rid of him yes but before that they're not like hey he's he's never he's never re-signing any players he just drafting them letting them go drafting them letting them go and all the other ones are like i like his model that's money so when players are sending these these teams they're like well he's just got pointless stats he ain't winning over there and you, well, he's just got pointless stats. He ain't winning over there. And you're like, well, he's not paying anybody.

Right. This man is not paying anybody, so let me leave. Oh, you can't. You ain't a winner. That was the ultimate super. The Celtics in the 60s was the ultimate super team. They had 10 Hall of Famers. Yes.

They had 12 players on the roster. John Havlicek came off the bench. How you going to get a guy to come off the bench? Dave Cowens, MVP. You had Sam Jones, Casey Jones, Koozie, Tom Heinsen, Don Nelson, Bill Russell. Yeah. Havlicek. Well, damn.

Bill Short. How many players you want? Yeah. Because they didn't have free agency. They didn't have free agency then either. You just trade. Yes. So what happened is, if I don't like you,

I'm going to trade my asset to the team that you don't like and you're beefing with. People, they did that back then. Yes. I'm going to trade you my players because I don't want to pay them and then you go on

and keep whooping his ass. Yeah. I mean, when they had, when the Lakers had, they had, they had Will, they had Jer West,

they had Elgin Baylor, they had Gale Good. I mean, look at all the top 25. Go look at the top 75 and see how many Celtics and Lakers. When you go back to the top, when you do top 50, right? The top 50. All Celtics are damn near Celtics and Lakers.

39 of 40 of them came from big city teams. When we top 10 players of all time, the only person that comes from a small city that broke through is duncan everybody else is a lego or self-ticket yep lego self-ticket you can throw in philly but other than that it's a big city that's that's what they go off of this wasn't all it is Thomas the big Isaiah told Dre Isaiah still wants an apology

from Michael Jordan I don't believe it's coming for being called an asshole in the 2020 docuseries The Last Dance

he explained to Dre why his relationship with Jordan isn't salvageable let's take a listen to what Isaiah had to say where is y'all

relationship at today and is that salvageable dude no not salvageable this No. Not salvageable. This dude got on national television, international television, and called me an asshole. Somebody who's been really good to him.

And until he apologizes on international television, we ain't no conversation. You can't apologize and have a private dinner when you didn't embarrass me publicly. If you didn't mean it, say it publicly. Now, if you meant it,

let it stand. I'm good with that. Isaiah, you know you my dog. You don't get that apology see here's the thing see Gil this is the great part about being as old as I am Isaiah and them didn't do this go back and look

what happened when Isaiah when the Detroit Pistons beat the Boston Celtics see how many Bird and McHale and them What happened when Isaiah, when the Detroit Pistons beat the Boston Celtics? See how many of Bird and McHale and them, see what they did when Isaiah and them beat them. They walked off the court. And ain't nobody say a damn word. No.

Not what? Go back and look it up, chat. And see what happened. Isaiah also said, he said, what normally would happen when the team would win the finals, the Eastern Conference, the Western Conference finals, they would all come into the locker room after a congratulation, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I don't know if that's the case, but that's what Zeke said used to happen. I just know, I just know when they beat them in, what was that, 88? Isaiah went to the finals three straight years. Well, they lost.

No, no, no. They won, okay. They won 89 and 90. They lost in 88. But I think, didn't, because I think the Lakers beat them twice in the final. Didn't Lakers beat...

Yeah, no, they didn't. They beat Philly twice. They beat Boston once. And they beat... They beat Boston twice. No, yeah, they beat Boston in 85 and 87. They beat the Pistons in 88, yeah.

That was the year. Go back and look it up. Go back and look it up. So I don't know what the protocol was. I just know what I saw. So Isaiah and them didn't start when you lose. Oh, just walk off the court and don't congratulate the winning team. Isaiah and them didn't start when you lose. Oh, just walk off the court and don't congratulate the winning team. Isaiah and them didn't start that.

No, this was never about team shit, to be honest. This was about personal relationships. Yeah. Right? This was a personal thing. Whenever a team got beat, football, basketball, you rarely see the losing team clapping hands with the winner because the winners are celebrating. The winners are running around jumping. Only friends are touching the other friend.

If I won or I lost and my boy just won a championship, our friendship is the reason I'm going to go say what's up. Congratulations, dog. That was the problem with them too. championship our friendship is a reason i'm gonna go say what's up like congratulations dog right that was the problem with them too jordan's friendship to isaiah when isaiah won was a handshake when isaiah lost jordan as a friend to isaiah was like i want the same respect and in fact and isaiah walked walked off, Jordan took it personal. Yes. It didn't have nothing to do with, oh, we shook y'all hands, y'all shook y'all. No, no, no.

I shook your hand. You're supposed to shake mine. I don't care. He didn't care about the rest of the team. It was the guy that he felt was a friend of his. Right. And that was the guy that he felt was a friend of his. Right. And that was the issue. Look, this goes back to the All-Star game.

When Jordan believed that Isaiah had something to do with them freezing him out. Mm-hmm. And then all this, we know they could deny it till the cows come home. Isaiah should have been on that dream team. All this notion where he didn't blend and he didn't fit. You say Isaiah was the second best point guard behind Magic Johnson. He was better than John Stockton. I don't care what y'all say.

Yeah. And they know it. And for all these players now to get up there years later, it's not about being liked nobody liked Isaiah y'all say y'all took the best players y'all make it seem like so now all this stuff about

y'all fighting tooth and nail so all y'all buddy-buddy huh because that's not what you're saying that's not what you get on TV and say now but now all of a sudden you're buddy-buddy. Isaiah should have been on that team. Isaiah should have been

on that team, and I don't care what any of the 11 to 12 guys that made the team, Isaiah should have been on that team. So they robbed him in 80 because the Olympics was boycotted because the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, and Carter didn't send the Olympic team.

So by that time, Isaiah was in 81, Isaiah got drafted and then he couldn't play in the Olympics until they started taking pros and the only reason they started taking pros because in 88 the Brazilian team led by Oscar Smith kicked the living

daylight out of the Americans. Go back and look it up. I think he dropped 48 of them. I mean, everything is personal. When it comes to certain things like that, it is personal. It's not like, it's not a team. The USA games we've been going to this whole time

is relationships. It has nothing to do with talent. Like, look at the lineups we've been going to this whole time is relationships. It has nothing to do with talent. Like, look at the lineups we have. Just say the most talented players in the league. Some of them, the last people team, four players didn't even start on the NBA team before the USA game. Like, ah, come on, man.

This is our relationship. So, hey, Isaiah, we understand. We get it. But I can tell you this. I don't know if you watched The Last Dance. I don't know if you've been watching his relationships. Right? Good luck.

He ain't talked to Oakley in 10 years. He ain't no coming back. Pippin gone. That shit. I don't even know if he talked to a bull besides Oakley. That's it. That's it.

That's it. That's it. So y'all, I hope, I hope I said, like I said, I know Z. And I,

but I said, don't, don't, don't, don't you wait for that apology. Yeah, dog. Jordan standing up. I know Zeke. And I, but I said, don't, don't, don't, don't you wait for that apology. Yeah. Oh,

dog. Jordan standing on business. Jordan standing on business. He ain't messing with none of y'all. No, no, he, he,

he absolutely not. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content,

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It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.

Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Devin Booker explains the death of the NBA rivalry. Book went on JJ Reddick's podcast and had this to say about it. Let's take a listen to the sound. I'd say there's no real rivalries because, you know, I say grassroots basketball. Like, a lot of these guys, we've known for a really long time. And I think people just realize that, you know, it's not that deep half the time.

I've been saying that. There was no AAU. It's not that deep half the time. I've been saying that. There was no AAU. I mean, these guys play, they on the same AAU team. Or they've been seeing each other, Gil, since they were 13. A lot of them say, where you going to school at, man? You going to Kentucky? Me too.

You going to do? Yeah, me too. You going to Kansas? Me too. Yep. So there is no bitterness because now I grew up playing against you. Probably had known you since you were 12. How do I build up a resentment

against somebody that I've known since I was 12? Played against them, played with them, trained with them. Now you got to remember people like Grover back in the day. There's 20 NBA players in that facility working out, right? Playing pick-up games with each other.

Same thing in Vegas. Same thing here. These guys are training with each other. So if there is beef, they might have the same trainer, and that trainer is going to, you know, hey, we're going to work out together, and you put them all there together. So this beef that everyone is taking from way back in the day, that don't exist. Punches don't cost $25 no more. Exactly. Right?

They don't. It costs $500. It costs $250,000. That elbow LeBron gave young fella, that little elbow, boom. Yeah. He missed one game. $390,000 that elbow cost him. Not a punch, not a fight.

Just it looked like you almost hit him on purpose. Yeah. $390,000. Man, listen, I don't hate nobody for that price. Nah, hell nah. For $25,000, I. Man, listen. I don't hate nobody for that price. Nah, hell nah. For $25? I can sock somebody or two. For $25?

I can swing on somebody for $25. I mean, think about it. If you yank somebody out the air, like Mikael yanked Ram beside. How many games you think they're going to miss, Gia? Now? Yeah. You yanking somebody. Ooh, they're going to miss, Gil? Now? Yeah. You ain't going to get something.

They're going to give you three to five for your first time offense. And that's depending on who you are. That can be a million and a half. Yeah. That's that. And you better rather let it be a star player you yank out there. You might get fired a team game. Listen.

Stewart. Him chasing LeBron. you might get fired a team game. Listen. Stewart, him chasing LeBron, that cost him $30,000. Yeah. You can see why his ass acting him up. He only lose about $30,000. He don't care about that little money. See, that's little money.

Yeah. But when it cost you $390,500,000. $500,000, yeah, yeah, a million. Listen, I don't got any, brother. I don't got that type of energy. Yeah. Hey, hold me back. Are we good?

We're good. But I've been saying this. I say it's different now. I say, you know, it ain't just seeing the guy at the McDonald's All-American game or you see the guy show up at one All-Star game. These guys literally grew up playing against each other. For seven years from the time they was like 10 or 11,

and then they played one year of college ball against each other, and then they come to the NBA. Yep. And now you want me to dislike this guy that I done sat down. His mom know my mom. My mom know his mom. My dad know his dad. We done ate at the same – we done ate in the same cafeteria.

And so now you want me to – because he played for the Celtics and I played for the Lakers, you want me to dislike him. Yeah, the rivalry days is over unless it's something that personally happened off the court that nobody knows about. Other than that, you'll have somebody like Patrick Beverly, right? He's a rarity, which means this.

He loves the game so much that his respect level is, I'm going to push you for your greatness, and I want you to push my defense to its greatness. Right? I'm going to challenge you every step of the way, and when it's over with, you gave me 40. Let's shake hands.

I'm going to watch film. I'm going to see your next game. Right. Right? Those are the guys we have now. The old rah-rah punch you and clothesline you for no reason. The NBA, them

fines cost too much now for that. Even if I don't like you, I'm not going to express that on the basketball court. It costs too much. Right. And you remember this. You remember when Kent Benson punched Kareem

and then Kareem turned around and socked him and broke his hand and he missed the first 20 games? Yep. Can you imagine somebody just actually doing that? Just turn around and punching somebody in the face? Listen, one, that's going to be 50

something games, right? That's one. Two, you remember the kid in Timberwolves that got so angry he punched the wall, broke his hand? Yeah. Yeah. He looked dumb. Like, as a team, as teammates, dog, what's your problem?

Yeah. Like, what's your problem, dog? We over here trying to win games. You got to remember where they're going. You remember when Kermit Washington, well, you don't remember. Kermit Washington hit Rudy T. Oh, he ain't never playing no more. You hear somebody like that, you ain't never playing.

You done. Not today. Like, it's, listen, everyone likes the idea. I love when the older players said, we will do this, we will do that. No, you wouldn't. Them check fines will stop you from doing it. When you wake up and you get that slip and it says minus 400,000, you're going to be like, oh, man, I can't tell the white people about this.

Yeah, I know. That the white people about this. Yeah, no. That stops all behavior right there, them checks. Well, see, it's a little different at Football Guild because we don't really have a whole lot of traveling football teams. So, like, the Raiders, the Ravens, and the Steelers, yeah, you're trying to maim somebody. The Raiders and the Steelers. Yeah. You trying to name somebody, the Raiders and the Broncos. Yeah.

Cause we had Rick see like basketball because y'all play so many games. We had a rate. We had in Denver, we had Raider week, but it's ready. Everybody would get black forces. What? Nah,

ain't no black forces deal. But Al used to have a saying, said a quarterback must go down and he must go down hard. The Raiders must go down and they must go down hard. Oh, we sent a message. They said they tried to send a message. We trying to send a message.

It starts with the kickoff. Ooh. Oh, all I'm saying is hey look here we gonna angle the ball turn it back this way cause I'm trying to put my helmet in his ear hole

now I ain't trying to knock him out for the whole year Gil but I'm trying to get his ass out for that game y'all had too much anger in y'all hearts for the Raiders you know what we've always felt to get his ass out for that game. Y'all had too much anger in your hearts. For the Raiders? We've always felt some type of way about the Raiders.

But Mike told us a story. Mike used to be the head coach of the Raiders. Al fired him after 20 games. You know, if you're on a contract, you get fired, you get your money. Al wouldn't pay it. So Al said, sue me. It's going to cost

you more money through lawyer fees than I actually owe you. So Mike told us the story. Al owe me his money. You know, he won't pay me. So now we taking it personal. We talking, okay, Al. Like, Al owe us money.

So now we got to take it out on your players' ass. Somebody going to pay up. Y'all sound like Bloods and Crips, huh? Y'all don't even know why y'all, y'all don't even know why y'all beefing. Hey, feel once like it's a team. Uh-huh huh You do something Like I said

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you didn't tell that. You don't get your ass back. You don't get traded during the middle of the season, do y'all? Not really. I don't have to worry. See, that's the thing. Because y'all don't get traded, nor do if you don't, let's sayall don't get traded, nor do if you don't,

let's say you don't get traded to the Raiders, and if you're a free agent and you don't like the Raiders, you won't sign her as a free agent anyway. Guess what? When I was a free agent in Baltimore, I got released from Baltimore, so I was a free agent. I actually visited the Raiders.

I just couldn't do it. Yeah, see? I just couldn't do it. So you see? I just couldn't do it. So you guys can have real enemies and not worry about it. NBA, we can be beefing today and I can get traded to you tomorrow. It's got to be...

Really have a real beef because we don't know where we're going to be at next year. Yeah. Man, we was in... The old ESPN zone in Atlanta. Man, it was me, Ray. It Ray it was like me Ray and somebody else it was like four or five Steelers in there

we walked right by them mofos they ain't say a word it don't change we don't like y'all on the field off the field it didn't matter it is what it is y'all were some straight gang members.

Oh, it's different. That y'all don't even own, huh? Nah. Gil, you don't understand, Gil. The thing about football, what makes football so unique is that it's literally

in its purest form, it's about breaking a man's will. It's about intimidation. It's about moving a man against his will. Do you know what that's like, Gil, to move a man? A man says, I got my hand in the dirt and I ain't going nowhere. And I say, the hell you say, You getting up out of this plot of land? Mm-hmm. Do you understand what it takes for a man, that's a grown-ass man, he says, I'm standing on business. Well, you finna stand on business five yards behind the line.

That's what you gonna stand on. But you finna move off this plot of land. You finna get your ass up out of here. And we gonna keep coming. I see that. I think they call that show cops, right? They usually pull somebody over, and they be like, get out the car. And he be like, I ain't getting out the car.

And then, you know, next thing you know, he out that car. He out the car. He took a ass for me to get out that car, but he out. Because football is the only thing. I can do whatever. I can physically assault you and nothing happens. That sounds about the same show I'll be watching. Yeah.

Literally. Now, they done cleaned it up a lot where, you know, you can't take the cheap shots and all that other stuff. But, oh. Man, football gets you an animal. Yeah, that's a different animal. I'm even going to lie. Like I said, like a lot of that stuff,

how they be talking and stuff, like you couldn't talk like these guys, like y'all be talking like Gil, like y'all be talking about old boy girl that he done blew up. You got to fight somebody, Gil. You do that. I ain't going to lie, Gil.

She might be a certain type of way. But do that. I ain't going to lie, Gil. She might be a certain type of way. But once she get with a dude on the team, leave it alone, Gil. Leave it alone. Hey, I'm telling you. That's a different guy. Guys in football, they got a different mindset, man.

You got to have a different mindset to play that game. Yeah, you're right. And enjoy it. Y'all be in the club with your shirts off. In the club. We used to. We used to. We used to. We used to, Gil.

We used to. But that was the thing. Like, I got to come to work every day. Ain't no, hey, rookie. Nah, ain't work every day. Ain't no, hey, rookies. Nah, ain't no punk going. Ain't no punky going on. Look, I understood my responsibility as a rookie. I got to bring food to the plane.

I got to, you know, they wanted donuts and hot breakfast sandwiches on Friday. Okay, fine. As long as it wasn't demeaning, I got it. I got you you ain't cutting my hair I ain't taking your car to get it washed cause I ain't take I'll take my own car to get it washed but as far as bringing I had to bring

Popeyes I had to bring KFC I had to bring donuts I had to do all that yeah see yeah yeah we get yeah they gonna kick the ball in like the fifth row or or up in the bleachers. We got to go get that before the bus thing. And then, you know, I got tied up.

I got hog tied up. Let's just say Washington Wizards wasn't the first time I had to bring guns in the locker room, huh? My rookie, I mean, come back. I had to do that a couple times. God damn. You ain't want to just knuckle up? Huh? You ain't want to just knuckle up?

Look at me. I weighed 190 pounds. I'm sorry. It ain't got nothing to do with me, Gil. I ain't get the NBA weight. I wasn't eating weights yet. Look, I only got, I ain't get the NBA way. I wasn't eating waste yet. Look, I only got, look, I only got like mad, mad, animals get mad, humans get upset. I only got upset twice.

And I remember it was my rookie year and I was in the tight end room. I had just moved to the tight end room. And every day I come in there, you know, Clarence K would take, I would set my books up and Clarence would knock it on the floor. And I was like, man. So, you know, I, you know, hey, man, I ain't come here.

I ain't come here for all that. I just remember telling myself, I'm going home, driving home. I say, Lord, my granny didn't send me here for this. I said, but if he knocked my things on the floor tomorrow, it's going to be a problem. I remember I'm driving home and I've said it. I said, Lord, I went home and I prayed.

I said, please don't let this man. Yeah. He knocked on the floor and I think it caught him off guard because he wasn't expecting anything. I put my hand on his throat. I said, if you ever do I said if you ever do that if you ever

do that again you're gonna have to whip me or I'm gonna have to whip you I ain't have no more I ain't have no more problems with him he was 10 years I was like I was 22

CK probably like 30 but he knew I was for real because my eyes had done turned red at this cup. Oh, yeah.

And everybody talking about, man, man, Sharp, I ain't never seen you like that. I don't bother nobody. I ain't never did that to a rookie. And then me and Reggie Rivers. Man, it was cold, Gil. It was cold that day. And, you know, I was like, man, look here, Rich. I don't feel like playing today.

Let that go, bro. And so I had the ball, Gil. It was real cold. So we had walked through. Man, the dude came and knocked the ball out of my hand. The ball hit me in my face. And so I just turned around and said, bro, didn't I tell you I didn't feel like playing? And then he walked and I turned around

and went back to the huddle it was a fake or he hit I hit him I turned and walked back to the huddle that was it mine was more scare tactics

you know what I mean but see if I gotta put my hand look That was it. Mine was more scare tactics, though. You know what I mean? No, I get... But see, if I got to put my hand... Look, I don't like to get like that because I already know how it is. Because it ain't going to... So one of us is going to have to go. We can't stay on...

We can't be teammates. Because I'm going to fight every day till I win. That sounds about right. Or you can just say, hey, you won. Hell nah. You ain't having to have no breath. I'm going to fight. We're going to fight every day till I win.

That's why I just, hey, that's why I came to work every day with a smile. They're like, damn, y'all, how you happy every day? Hey, bro, I got the best job in the world. I'm out of Glenville. My grandma ain't got to work. Ain't got to worry about nothing. My mom ain't got, ain't nobody

got to worry about nothing. Bro, what's to be bad about? I don't play like that. And that's what I tell people all the time. Everybody don't play like you play. I don't. I have a lady tell me one time a girl tell me she say, Shannon, what a joke to you is death to someone else. I never forgot that. But we got a different mindset than you guys do, Gil. All that kiki going on in the locker room. Now, I don't know how it is now, Gil. I've been retired 20 years. I've been retired 20 years.

But guys don't play by the women now. Oh, no, we do. She might have been a certain type of way. But once somebody done boo up... No, no, we keep... You by West State,

she got a 10-carat diamond on her hand. Don't play with that man about that. Oh, no, we gonna be in that mother laughing on catchin'. You can laugh. We better be laughing

up under your breath. You got to remember, depending on who she is, at least four of us have already hit it. So we're going to be kicking his head. Oh, Lord have mercy, Bill. I'm just saying. Check this out, Gil. Jalen Brown liked the wild tweet.

Somebody said if Jalen Brown was number one on the team, he would average third and be MVP. Cap. He liked the tweet, right? He liked it, and it's still there. Well, I mean, I'm sure. I mean, if someone said, you know, I'm the number one spokesperson in the world, I'm sure, I mean, if someone said, you know, I'm the number one

spokesperson in the world, I'm going to like it too. Don't you think it's true? Okay, I get it. Not realistic, but okay, I get it. But look, it probably, maybe he didn't mean to. No, that's, come on, it's a compliment.

I mean, they're just basically saying, you know, if he was the number one option, that he would be an MVP. Shit, I mean, he could feel that way. If he's on the team, Tate will have his city. I mean, that could be said. So I wouldn't take that as no disrespect. I just think that was a compliment, and he's just liking the compliment. Okay.

So we ain't going to make too much out of it. Doc Rivers believed that Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, CP3 should have their jerseys retired with the Clippers. You agree with Doc? Blake Griffin, CP3, and DJ, DeAndre Jordan. I mean, at this moment in time, they are considered the best Clippers ever because the organization itself was basically a farm team. They never really kept anybody past three years.

So, you know, Blake Griffinin when he got about 10 000 points there so i mean that's not that's not rafters numbers but for the clippers i would think so deandre jordan too he got a defensive player of the year three-time all nba one-time all-star which is weird right one-time all-star, which is weird, right? One-time all-star, but he was top 15. I wouldn't... For the legacy of the Clippers, I would say, okay, I wouldn't be mad

at it. It wouldn't be one of those jerseys. I'm like, well, how'd he get his jersey retired? There's no legacy there. So, you know, you got to feel for somebody, so she might as well so uh obviously that the Clippers hadn't had a whole lot of great players probably the greatest player probably would be uh Bob McAdoo because the Clippers the Buffalo Braves became the Clippers they actually they were in San Diego first that's how they got the name Clippers and then they moved to LA. So, who would you say is the greatest Clipper?

I would probably say Blake Griffin at this point. Blake, between him or CP3. Okay. But they're both about what, five-time All-Stars,

five-time All-NBA and I think most of all of CP3's defensive player awards came there so between them two flip a coin can't be mad at it shack on rudy gobert i never thought he was a great defensive player shack has never hesitated to criticize rudy gobert and this week shack claimed that he feels gobert three-time defensive player of the year and current runaway favorite to win his fourth is is overrated defender.

I never thought he was a great defender either. See what it is? There's not a lot of centers that are making him play defense. Like, he's not doing that ish against Yoke, Nikola Jokic, because he has to engage. But when he's going against another guy, he's 7'6", of course. If you lay it up, he's going to block it. Any truth to what Shaq's saying about Gobert for sure facts here I had to ask uh someone who votes how do they rate defense

and that's what they said they said steals blocks defensive rebounding team defense efficiency, opponent field goal position with player as whoever the players are closest to them, plus minus when they're on and off the floor. Now, what the hell does any of that mean? Because of this, Rudy Gobert is a five man. Now, him guarding five men, let's look at these stats. Jokic, he's only played Jokic one time this year. Jokic had 25 and 10. Of course, he played Wimby all four times

because he's a rookie. 29 and 9, 12 and 10, 17 and 13, 23 and 10 is what Wimby gave him. He played in beat one time. NB gave him 51-10. He's played AD two times, 31-8, 33-17. And then last game, he was a no-show.

The guys who can score are busting his ass, which means he's not a great on-ball defender, meaning when his guy has the ball and he's in the scoring position, he can't stop him. Now, what happens on screening roles and they switch,

and he's switching off of his man, right? Let's say there's a switch and then yokish get the ball and scores on the guard that doesn't count towards rudy oh okay right so there's a bunch of you're getting credit for things that has nothing to do with you personally right you're getting defensive stops, but you're not stopping the guy who's scoring on you. Right? We side blocks and this and that and whoever the closest is to the guy who

misses it, it just makes no sense. And I can see why Shaq is saying this. And I always understood it. People are like, you didn't play great defense. Woo-hoo. I was great so i helped great great help side defensive guy i took charges i was great on the ball down screens and shit yeah you got me on that but i wasn't very good i didn't want to be hit like that but my man wasn't taking

me off the dribble and stuff like that so it's weird how they are rating these guys. Steals, blocks, defensive rebounding. But he can't stop it. His individual man one-on-one. But he's leading in the category of defense. You have Ant-Man as a defensive player who literally stops his guy. He's a lockdown defender. We know he's a lockdown defender. We know he's a lockdown defender, but how

do you get credit as a defender and him? Who gets credit for this stop? The stats doesn't show that he's a great defensive player like Ben Wallace. Right? Wallace wasn't very good That doesn't show that he's a great defensive player. Like Ben Wallace, right?

Right. Ben Wallace wasn't very good guarding his man. When his man was backing him down trying to score, undersized, he was light, waist down, but he was a great help side defender. Right. He was a great help side defender. Right. Right? He was a great health side defender, blocked shots, weak side. Like, how does rebounding count as defense?

That's not a fucking factor. Man, Shaq, ain't nobody with no great defender on you, your big ass. Man, you gave everybody. You remember Dikembe was defensive player of the year, and Shaq gave 37-17. But that's... First of all, Bill Russell,

whoever was a defensive player of the year, David Robinson, it didn't matter. First of all, ain't no great defensive player going to stop a great offensive player. Be it the glove, be it Alvin Robertson, all them great defensive guards. They couldn't do anything with Jordan. They couldn't do anything with them scoring guys. David Robertson,

the year he won MVP, Elijah Wong cooked it. I'm talking about cooked it. Go look it up. No, no, you're right. So that's what I'm saying. So who are you getting your defensive rating off of? Right. Let's say if I if Jokic want to be a great defensive player and he plays against Rudy every day, obviously Rudy can't score.

Right. If Rudy can't score, Jokic becomes the best defensive player of the year because he's guarding a dude who don't shoot the ball. Right. So with all these switches and switching going on, we get to switch everything. How do you tell who's actually counting for defense? Defensive rebound, a guy who averaging 14 rebounds

and he's leading in defensive rating, that's a fucking rebound. That's a rebound. That has nothing to do with stopping somebody. I was third in steals, right? Credit me for no defense.

AI's on the defensive team. Larry Hughes' first team defense. Gilbert didn't get no defense points. I was third in steals. You know why? God damn it, that's all I wanted was the steal. I'm just trying to figure out how Tim Duncan

beat all defense 15 times and don't win defensive player of the year. That's what I said. You can't be a 15-time all-defensive player not one time in defensive player of the year. But that's what I'm saying.

It's like when you read what they're saying, steals block, defensive rebounds, right? Team defense efficiency. So now it's team defense. So that means you need more than one fucking player on the team to help you guard somebody. Right. Then you got opponent field goal percentage with player as the closest defender.

Yeah. So if I listen, listen, look, this is how this looks. Let's say you get beat defensively. Right. Yes. Your man blow by you and you miss the layup. I'm I'm the nearest dude near to play. Right.

You will get credit for it. I don't even have to be looking. I get the rating for it because I'm the closest to that missed shot. Wow. So I should, I just want to guard,

like I want to guard Ben Simmons then and say, Ben, just keep shooting, bro. I'm just staying right next to you, brother. I'm just staying right next to you, bro. I'm going to become Ben Simmons then and say, Ben, just keep shooting. I'm just staying right next to you, brother. I'm going to become the best defensive player of the year. We're defensive player of the year. I'll just stop

there. Steph Curry says he's considering a career in politics after retiring from the NBA. During an appearance on CBS Morning to promote his new children's book, I Am Extraordinary, Steph gave insight into his plans after ending his current

career. Maybe, Steph said, would ask if he would ever expect to see him make a run for the Oval Office. I have an interest in leveraging every part of my influence for good in the way that I can. So if that's the way that I can do it, then I'm not saying presidency, but politics, maybe.

I'm not mad at it. I maybe. I'm not mad at it. I ain't mad at him either. He's a good dude. He has a good heart. So, you know, if he is in politics, he's going to try to do right by the people. Yeah.

There's a difference between sports journalists and investigative to try to do right by the people. Yeah. There's a difference between sports journalists and investigative and news journalists. Mm-hmm. All I'm saying is make sure your house is in order. Now,

if the only thing that's going to come up is that you didn't want them to build a low-income housing next to your residency, you're going to be fine. They're going to find out everything. Ask Fannie Willis.

All you got to do is go down there and look at the DA that's in Atlanta. They brought these charges against President Trump. Nobody knew anything about what was going on down there until she did that. So all I'm saying is, Uh-huh. Nobody knew anything about what was going on down there until she did that. Mm-hmm. So all I'm saying is, hey, I believe in Steph. I believe he's a model citizen. But that's just what we see.

They're going to go hunting. They're going to go fishing. Yeah, that's the politics. It's a dirty game, man. Hell yeah. They trying to, game man they trying to listen they trying to discredit you with your pass

but and hey against us it's going to work yeah against them they get to keep it they don't even matter it don't matter about that because I know a situation they made President Obama disavow Reverend It don't matter about that. Because I know a situation. They made President Obama disavow Reverend Wright.

Couldn't go to the church no more. Couldn't be a mentor. Couldn't be anything. Now, we see what's going on now. David Duke, it don't even matter so understand our transgressions are like shackles their transgressions

are like cobwebs you brush cobwebs aside you brush them off you shackles you're held more accountable I wish Steph the best of luck. Get my vote. He's going to get my vote.

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Uncle Gil, my son, loves the show. This is his favorite night to watch. He's 12 years old and asked if you guys would shout him out. He's an honor roll student and he's going for all A's. All right. Hey, bro, thanks for watching. I appreciate hoping your dad cover your ears when we talk about some real, real, real stuff that a 12-year-old is not supposed to hear.

But congratulations, bro, on making the honor roll, get all these A's, and thanks for tuning in and watching Nightcap with Shannon and Gil. Kemper Norwood Jr. I don't know how his son is up at night at 11.30 being on the honor roll. Tell him to take his little ass to sleep. He's my best favorite.

So this is the late one. He might be homeschooled. Okay, because the mother was, you know, y'all come on about 730. Kimber Noe Wood Jr. asked, Gil, do you believe that Luka can help the Mavs get another title? Listen, it ain't about Luka. Luka's one piece. It's do you think the organization,

the new organization is going to put pieces around him to help him win, right? When Dirt first got there, Cuban put a bunch of pieces. When you look at some of them lineups and rosters that they were trying to build over there early in Dirt's career, they were trying, right? Right. That's all that matters as long as the organization is really trying to put pieces around them. So, you know, once Luka hits about 20, is he about 25 right now?

Yeah. Within the next two years, we can really see if they're trying to make moves to get a championship. What we got here, Jose De Jesusesus sup on gill you guys taking your leads your your squad prime russ or rookie d rose rose was what the athleticism this is what we i think we can feel come to saying this russ and d rose are the two most athletic point guards that we've ever seen. Now, Jha is coming into that mix, too. Jha.

But, man, D-Rose had bounce. They had the speed and that explosion. I'm always going with the bigger one, right? I'm always go with the six, four, six, five guy who can get out.

So I'm gonna go with Russ. Um, just cause his intangibles, right? Um, everything he brings, the energy he brings. Like I love me some D Rose.

I mean, you know what I mean? The way he played D Rose was special, man. It wasn't even prime D Rose. It was just young D Rose zero. Yeah. He went, he didn't get a what I mean? The way he played. Prime D-Rose was special, man. It wasn't even Prime D-Rose, it was just Young D-Rose. D-Rose, yeah. He didn't get a chance to get to Prime because he was injured. Yeah, it was Young D-Rose.

So I got to see where Russ, so I'm going to take the triple-double Russ over, you know, the MVP D-Rose, knowing that we don't know what D-Rose would have looked like a healthy 25, 26, 27. Where you going to put John that makes

John right now is I'll have him third, right? He's third. He hasn't had that, that, that D Rose MVP year, right? He hasn't had that D. Rose MVP here he hasn't got to that level but the things he has done is hard to say he's not right there he's knocking on the door

he's knocking on the door right now I never saw D. Rose play didn't see Russ play in his prime. But to watch Ja, if those guys were any more athletic than Ja, good God almighty. Yeah.

Because this dude here, the way he can contort his body. Now, D Rose can do that. Now, D Rose, Russ, that's not Russ. Russ just explosive straight ahead. But D Rose with the can do that. That's not Russ. Russ just explosive straight ahead. But D-Rose with the up and under and the dips he do. Man, Ja. Man, he's like he's just suspended in there.

Yeah, when he we really they gonna think it's Photoshop. About 10, 15 years. When he went to block that shot and all this was on the backboard. Yeah.

Or when he brought Torrey and Prince, when he brought, with the Lakers, with the replay of the Lakers, when he blocked that shot. Yeah, yeah. When they blow that up, if that ain't on his wall, he needs to go ahead and get that on his wall. That is a beautiful time capsule

shot right there would you ever coach an NBA team if the opportunity presents itself how do you motivate, watch to go to work I would love to coach a team if I have full control of who I can draft,

who I can put on my bench and all that. And my motivational speech will sound the same every goddamn day. Who in here want to be a max player? When they raise their hands, well, goddamn it, let's train like one. Okay. The max players train like max players. Don't tell me you want to be a max player, but you're training like a six man. Right?

I want you to train like Kobe Bryant, like Steph Curry. I want you to train like that. And if you do, as a coach, that's when I want to see how many max players I can push out. So when they hit the free agency, I'm the guy you're coming for max players. Right? Because you're not going to tell me you want to be a max player, but you're at the club every night. Right? Don't be, do not be working out three times a day.

You're running the beach. You're eating your salad in the summer to come to training camp and get ready for the season. And then come to the season, work out one time and be at the strip club all day because you're away from your wife. Don't give me the worst of you. See, that's what the NBA is. See, they at home with the family in the summer, so they can't do all the shit they're trying to do. Then come to the season, and that's when they want to consume the most alcohol. They want to stay up the latest. They want to party because they on the road. Now, we're going to flip this around. We're not going,

you're not going to do that on this watch. This is the job now. Right. You know, so that those are the talks I'm going to have. Like, do you really want to be one of the greats? If you just come in here,

get in the chair, because I'm going to treat you just like that. If you want to be a Kobe Bryant type, we're going to train like that. I'm a hold you to that standard. Right. If you just want to come get a check in that. I'm going to hold you to that standard. Right. If you just want to come get a check in, I'm going to treat you like that too. I'm not going to expect nothing from you.

Right. You come in, hey, if you hit your first two shots, I'm going to keep you in. If not, hey, go on down there where the rest of you drunk motherfuckers be. Have fun. I ain't going to be fine. Hey, you come in late, I'm not going to fine you. I'm not even going to do nothing. Hey, you chose your path.

You're going to get paid accordingly. But the guys who's trying to put that work and they're trying to get the max deals, I'm going to help them. Don't complain about the results you didn't get because the work you didn't put in. And that's what, man, I... Bro! Come on, now. Kemper Norwood Jr. said, my goal in life is to have a one-on-one conversation with you. What do you think that

conversation would be like? You are my role model. I love watching every Monday and Tuesday on First Take. It all depends on what you're trying to do, what you're trying to become in life. I can just I have a general good idea when I start to talk

to someone how serious they are about what they want to become. Because it becomes very apparent. Because when people say, well, chef, man, I want to get in chat. I want to train, but I got to eat my fries. You know, I got to have my man. Hey, Sean, man, come on, man. You know, I got to get my burgers. I got to get my pizza. I got to do it. Okay. Next question. I'm not going to, I don't,

cause I don't waste my time because you, you telling me all the things that you don't want to give up but you're telling me you want to be great there are no shortcuts to greatness there are only sacrifices to greatness that's it and so by telling me what you don't want to do

I need you to come in and say okay what do I need to do to be able to accomplish X, Y, and Z? Nobody wants to sacrifice. I think that's usually everyone's Achilles heel. They don't want to sacrifice

for what they want. That becomes like you really have to understand that to get to get to another place you got to do different things yes to get what you never have

you got to do what you've never done I mean I just don't get people that think that it's like this stuff is easy. Like people just roll out of bed and become great. No, there's a price. Because we make it seem easy.

Yes, that's a problem. We make it seem easy because they can't see everything we're doing. They just see the results and the results look easy. But see, that's what discipline is. It requires you to do your best when no one is watching. See, if all you see, all you see is what I do on the field.

But you didn't see what I did when you couldn't see. But I couldn't fool the man in the mirror. I know how many times I was on that track. I know how much weight I lifted. I know how I ate. So I couldn't get mad if things didn't go my way

because I didn't do the necessary work that was required to get to what I had done. So there's only one way to do it. You got to do what others can't or won't. And sometimes you got to do both. It's simple. Talk to them.

Lanny Ray says, this is 1130 p.m. Central. It's sadistic. And obviously, by the time you read this, I'll pre-ask you my questions. Would you consider to be a failure you experienced? And what did you learn from it? No, I just considered delayed success. I didn't do what I need to do in high school. But the best thing to happen was because I bull jived in high school and I went to Savannah State. I met a lifelong friend. I met instructors and professors and doctors that sincerely and genuinely cared about Shannon Sharp. And probably two of my favorite.

I mean, I had a bunch. I mean, probably four or five was Haynes Walton and Norman Elmore. And I just remember them always telling me since. You're going to be our best representative of Savannah State. And I want you to understand that, but I want you to wear it like a badge of honor. And I never forgot that. And I remember when I went to the league and I came back. Dr.

Dr. Walton hugged me and told me how proud he was. Dr. Norman Elmore. I love going to that man's class. Man, Gil, I remember one morning it was cold. It was really, really cold. Now, it was raining. It was two instances.

One, it was raining. And, you know, you get a professor, you give him 10 minutes and he always have these stacks of books stacked up this high and they're sliding all over the place. And I just remember he said, you know what? I almost didn't come. It was like four or five of us stayed. Everybody else was gone.

He said, you know what? I almost didn't come today. He said, but I thought somebody would want to learn something. Man, I would hate a man. I love going to that man's class. I love going to Dr. Walton's class. I had a professor now, Gay Hewitt. She was amazing. Dr. McLemore, Dr. McLemore and Dr. Green were my remedial reading and English teacher. Cause when I got to Savannah state, I was in developmental studies. I don't know if anybody knows, but those were, they call them developmental studies, but it was reading

because I didn't meet the academic requirements. We know those mean, huh? Yeah. I was in there. All of them. I had English reading and math And graduated college in four years and two months. Had I not been in those classes, I would have graduated with no summer school. But I wasn't ashamed. A lot of my teammates were ashamed to go in there because they were trailers. And everybody knew what those classes were. Man, I go in there, hey, have my stars jeans on, my eyes on. I was blue.

On Friday, had me a briefcase, had a jacket on, because I was like, I'm going to be something. Y'all can't make me. I take sole responsibility for my failures, for putting myself in this situation. So y'all can't make me feel bad. I know I ain't done. Man, I walked right up in that thing.

Hey, Gil, I had me a brief iron I had my shirt ironed the night before on Thursday night ironed my shirt had a college shirt on get me a jacket get my half slacks go right up in there with a briefcase cause I know I was gonna be something

oh yeah okay yeah I didn't go to class I was training oh I'm going to class oh i'm going gil you know why i'm going to class what do you think them bangs were they went in their dorm they in class uh yeah see i i listen i i was i stayed in the gym i stayed in the gym i went went to one class my freshman year. I went to one. That was the first day to see what was in there.

And then I had my second year. Same thing, one class. That was it. I was at the front of the class. I'm still a freshman. God, Gil, you further from graduating than when you went to school. Oh, no, no. No, yeah.

I went there for basketball. That's it. The program, I seen them on TV. And this and this, I used the television to get drafted. People are like, yeah, you're going to go back to get your degree? For what? I got all the relationships I need. I don't need no diploma.

Somebody said, you had a briefcase, not a book, man. No, I had a briefcase in one hand and books in the other. I was like, hey, I was dealing with it. 4KT asked, is the altitude playing in Denver as bad as people? Yeah, you got to get used to it.

There's a reason why people train at altitude. Why do you think the Olympic training facility is in Colorado Springs? They wouldn't put it there if it didn't benefit you. Most people train at altitude. They go to Flagstaff. They go to Colorado Springs. I had the 10 in my house. Hyperbaric chamber, yes.

Absolutely. So it absolutely, it absolutely. Big Mike said, what's up, Uncle Gil? Question there. Which record would you think would be broken first? A Curry three-point record. He said LeBron's 40,000-point or Curry three-point record. Do you understand how long 40,000?

That record stood for almost 40 years. 40. Curry's three-point Curry's three point record because they shoot more of them they shoot more and he started off slow yes, ankle injury so there's there's space

to get that record because there are a lot of guys that are ahead of the pace yeah for what Curry of was. Boxers go to Big Bear up here in Northern California. So yeah, ever since basically since Mexico City

in 68, the Olympics, I mean the thin air up there, a lot of records fell. The Kenyan, they train in the Rift Valley. There's a reason. That's why they win all the damn time. It definitely

has something to do with it. John Marinelli said, Gil, if you could compare your game to anyone currently in the league, who would it be and why? It was early James Harden mixed with Dane. I was very good at, uh, I mean, like shifting guys and understanding human behavior. Uh, so getting to the free throw line,

getting, um, but I was more, I was more all around than James was right. I posted up, um, you know, I had one-on-one mid post. I shot without dribbling. I knew how to flare. I knew how to cut, play very well without the ball. And with Dame, I possessed knowing how to slow the game down

while it was moving fast. So, you know, hitting shots at the end of the game, that's mental training. We're being clutch, clutch is more of understanding why everything is going fast, you can slow it all down. And that's what I was very good at.

But for the most part, I was a mix between the two. But they over exceeded where I was. I mean, you know. But it was those two. Aaron Owen says, I remember when a fan asked Clay Thompson to autograph a toaster. What's the weirdest item

a fan requested to be signed and gilled? A baby's diaper while the baby still had it on. Damn. Yeah. In hindsight, it was a new diaper.

It was, you know, boom. And then I realized that, yeah, he gonna use the restroom at some point and I'm pretty sure y'all not gonna keep that. Yeah. Yeah, you probably right. Man, you know what? People be talking about take off a shoe, try to take off

a shoe and get me to sign. I'm like, for real? You really think I'm about to sign your shoe? Take it off. Yeah! Yeah! I don't feel comfortable signing my arm or something like that. Come on, man. Get a piece of paper or something.

A little kid. A little kid. Come on. That's a little kid thing, man. I'm never going to wash this arm again. No. I'm trying to think. What's the weirdest thing?

I think it's weird when people want you to. I'm trying to think, what's the weirdest thing I've... I think it's weird when people want you to, I'm a football player and want you to sign a baseball. What the... Who the hell? Do I look like Barry Barnes? I mean, would you want Barry Barnes to sign a football? That's all they have at the time.

Sometimes that's all they have and they just want the autograph because they're probably never going to see you again. You're probably right, Gil. You're probably right. Well, that's our time for tonight. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number zero

Arizona Wildcat legend. Yeah, y'all don't know about these right here, don't do you? Is it Andre Agassiz? No. Have mercy. Andre Agassiz. Man, you didn't get a man. You didn't get a dummy man.

They keep coming up, too. Sure do. I'm glad I got one to rock and one to stop. Those are 97s, right? Huh? No. Those are Airs, right? Huh? No. Those are earmags 97s? No.

No? Those look like the Andre Agassi's kind of had that same type of ... That little smiley in there. of......... ... Please make sure y'all... Thank you for joining

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