Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Jayden Daniels ROTY, Rodgers vs. Saleh, Bryce Young turnaround season

Episode Date: February 2, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from the NFL season including, Washington Commanders rookie QB Jayden Daniels monster season, New York Jets QB Aaron Rodgers butts heads with Robert Saleh, Carolina Panthers QB Bryce Young turns his season around and much more!03:14 - Several teams interested in trading for Bryce Young10:00 - Jayden Daniels is HIM14:10 - Dolphins season taking a downturn20:15 - Derrick Henry and the Ravens are looking good23:33 - Aaron Rodgers and Head Coach Robert Saleh need to get along27:54 - Did Davante Adams just play his last snap with the Raiders?40:27 - Unc is running out of words about Deshaun Watson51:14 - Bryce Young takes first snap in a game since being benched(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance see dkng.com slash promos for deposit wagering and eligibility restrictions terms and responsible gaming resources according to adam shepard several teams have expressed interest in trading for Bryce Young. You're never going to get what you gave up to get it. Despite the fact Dave Canales said Carolina Panthers did not intend to trade the former number one overall pick. He said you weren't going to bench him either. According to Schefter, although the Panthers have said

they don't plan to trade Young at this time, sources around the league believe it's only a matter of time before Carolina actually does complete a deal. I like to see him. I like to see a change of scenery. I like to see a change of scenery. Where he goes is very important.

I'm not sure if he'll be a starter, but maybe due to injury, based on where he goes, if a starting quarterback goes down and he's able to get in there with an adequate offense, with a good supporting cast, then we can get to see the Bryce Young that we're used to seeing when he was at Alabama. And it's unfortunate that it came to this.

And I think the benching is so early and only a second year because of the impatience of Dave, of Mr. Temper. And Dave Kanellis knows that very well. You know, the fire Frank Wright, Frank Wright, 11 games in the season because things weren't going well. Mr. Kanellis knows that as well. He knows his leash is short if they

don't continue to win, and he just felt that they couldn't win Bryce Young at the time. And he's going to learn. He's going to learn. I don't think much is going to change with Andy Dalton at the helm, too. No, you already – again, Andy Dalton – if Andy Dalton is the answer, I need to know the question you're asking. Second of all, Mojo, do you realize how far you would have set

this organization back? Because if you miss that, you miss on that guy. Yeah. Now, you're probably not going to be in a position to draft another one. And if you do, then what? If you don't surround – if you draft another quarterback and you don't surround him with anything, the same thing is going to happen to that quarterback that happened to this one.

Right, the square one. And it's probably going to keep happening until they draft right. And I'm not going to look. The way he treated Steve Wilks after he turned that program around with Matt Rule and you didn't even give him a hand. I don't wish bad. I'm just like my grandma used to say, boy, I don't wish bad on nobody, but I sure don't wish good on either.

So I'm not saying I wish bad, but I don't wish prosperity either. I just think he's handled some situations very poorly. I think Steve Wilks deserves an opportunity to get that job, and hopefully another opportunity presents itself for Steve. But that was a very – I mean, he doesn't have patience. I don't know how he thought he was going to be a great owner without patience. Because you've got to have that, Ochoa. Because you got to have that, Ojo. You got to have it.

That's rule number one. That's rule number one in business in general. Forget owning a team. Be an entrepreneur. Running a business. And now we talk about the NFL. Like, you can't use money and buy your way into winning. It takes time.

It takes time. It takes time. And then, you know, they show the situation. I think his ex is dating Tyrese Max. I think that's on his mind. You see what I said, Ocho? You see? You think so? If you keep your stuff private, if you keep your stuff private, you can

break up in private. Yeah. If you date publicly, you're going to have to break up publicly. Everybody's going to start speculating. That's why he's playing bad. That may or may not be the case, but I see guys, they have no girlfriend to play like crap.

Guys be married and play terrible. We got to stop automatically assuming because somebody's playing bad, there's something going on in their lives. That's leading them to play bad. That's not always the case. Now that can be the case.

Have I seen it? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It can be a distraction. It can be a distraction. So, but I don't think that played a factor.

I'm assuming they probably been, uh, they haven't been together for a while, especially for her to be moving on like that in public. What you mean moving on? What am I supposed to do, wait? I mean, you know what I'm trying to say. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Yeah. It's been done.

We just catching wind up because she's just going in public now. She's not yours. It's just your turn. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, is there a time limit on Joe? You break up. You break up with somebody. You's just your turn. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, is there a time limit on Joe? You break up, you break up with somebody. Is there the time limit in which you can go public with another person? No, no, I don't think there's a time limit.

But I think. Nah, you need to know you hurt. Because if you right away, you ain't love me anyway. Oh, listen, forget about love. Forget about love. If she moves on right away, she was't love me anyway. Oh, listen. Forget about love. Forget about love. If she moves on right away, she was already talking to that individual, you know, planting that seed while y'all was still together.

That's why the transition and moving on was so easy. Because, see, for one, she was already mentally checked out anyway. And she moves on and moves on fast. That person was already in play anyway. And if he's smart, you have a better understanding anyway. If he's smart, you have a better understanding

anyway. If she's willing to deal with you while you're with me, at some point as time goes on, then you're going to get the same treatment too. It's a cycle. The cycle never ends. My grandpa used to say, boy, if they cheat with you, they'll cheat on you. Don't let that

go over your head, Chad. Listen. Oh, Joe. Listen. Oh, Cho. Oh, Cho. Listen, I've said it before myself. I've said it before myself. Whatever they're willing to do with you when they're

not yours, they will do to you when they belong to you. And the cycle will continue to repeat itself over and over and over and over, no matter what. Hey, you say they do what they do for you, and you know they knew. Because you say all of a sudden, woman start working out. Red Bull say, boy, you get ready for somebody else to see her naked.

Hey, that's when you just in what we call life and one thing about human nature one thing about human nature human nature is undefeated it is undefeated undefeated you can post as many quotes as you want

you can say anything they be killing me with that Ocho and don't live by they quit God God in my life God child what don't live by a damn bit of it

they got a hand on the Bible beating her back in. But she God child. Okay. Yeah, okay. Jaden Daniels is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

He's the gospel. He's him. H period I period M. He's him. Yeah, he is. He is. 21. Period. Him. He's him. Yeah, he is. He was 21 of 23. 254 yards. Two touchdowns. Zero turnovers.

91% completion percentage. He goes on the road in a hostile environment against the Bengals. We know the Bengals, the crowd is going to be raucous. They're 0-2. They don't want to go down 0-3. It's very, very hard to make the playoffs going down 0-3.

Because guess what? In order for you to get back to 500, you got to win your next three games. That gets you back at 500. You have a slip-up, you could easily be 1-5 or 2-4. Matter of fact, not to make matters worse, huh? Ask, ask. I'm not even going to say it. Ask, ask who we play next.

Watch this. Ask, ask who the Bengals play next. Don't y'all got Baltimore? No, Baltimore. Who they got next? Oh, y'all got the Panthers. That's a win for the Panthers. I got the Panthers.

That's easy. That's easy to do. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa got the Panthers. That's a win for the Panthers. I got the Panthers. That's easy. That's easy to do. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't. Who you got? Panther circle. Y'all on the schedule. Listen, I'm going to that game. Back to this game.

Listen, Jaden Daniels was phenomenal. Jaden Daniels at the quarterback position played phenomenal tonight. Listen, the franchise, the commander franchise, they got them one. They got them a 10, 12-year franchise quarterback. And we got a small sample size of it at LSU. I didn't expect them to come in this early as a rookie. And this is the question I'm going to ask you. As a rookie and look this good this early as a rookie? And this is the question I'm going to ask you. As a rookie and look this

good this early? And my question to you, Unc, is what you might have a better way of answering. Why is it that some rookies can come in their rookie year and look the par to look like they've been before? The C.J. Strouds, the

Jaden Daniels. And then you have other rookies that don't look the part. They struggle. They don't do well. That's with any position. Some wide receivers come in and you get a Randy Moss. Or you get a Puka Nakua. Or you get a Justin Jefferson.

And then sometimes, guys, it takes a little longer. Everybody doesn't mature. Some people reach maturity at 18. Some people, it takes them 21. Some people, it takes them 25. Some people never't mature. Some people reach maturity at 18. Some people, it takes them 21. Some people, it takes them 25. Some people never damn mature. But you do. It all depends on, look, the one thing we know about Cliff Kingsbury,

he can coach some quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah. He and Lincoln Riley can coach quarterbacks. Now, you can say what you want to say about them as head coaches, but when it comes to running an offense, when it comes to putting a quarterback and taking what he does really well and accentuating that and putting him in the most positive position so he can have success, it's hard to say somebody is better than those two.

Now, Sarkeesian might have something to say about that because we know what he's done with quarterbacks in his tenure as an OC and a head coach. But that's the one thing Cliff Kingsbury, Lincoln Riley can do. They can coach the quarterback position. And he has a quarterback, processes information very well. He sees the field very well. He had Terry McLaurin earlier on a seven route,

and he threw it out of bounds. 100% of the balls that land out of bounds, they're incomplete. But you say what he did on out of bounds. 100% of the balls that land out of bounds, they're incomplete. But you say what he did on that next one, he put it up under duress, gave McLaurin an opportunity. Keep him in bounds. In the bread bag. And McLaurin did a great job of holding on to it. Ultra, this young man, I mean, the moment is not too big.

You saw what he did at LSU last year. He won the Heisman Trophy. He was sensational. Dual threat quarterback. But the thing that I love most about him, he's not relying on his legs. He will only run if it's absolutely necessary. This was supposed to be marquee year for the Dolphins. So far, it's turned into a night where, as it stands,

Tua will not be able to practice and play until week eight at the earliest. And even that might be a hopeful timeline. While the schedule is extremely favorable until that time, they get the Titans, Patriots, Colts, and Cardinals. It's tough to favor Miami in any of them based on their

quarterback situation. Brother Skyler Thompson is hurt. Tyler Huntley is stepping in. Tyler Huntley has played some good football when he was with the Ravens. Like, I think he can bring a little bit of excitement. It's a different type of offense,

though. That was a run-based offense. You know what I think, even from a passing standpoint? I think he'll be a little bit better than Skyler Thompson. And being able to get that goddamn ball to Waddle. Being able to get that ball to Cheeser. Being able to get that ball to...

Yeah, I think we're going to be alright in that. Got a nice little quarterback. He can pull it down and run with it when he needs to. It might not be as bad as you think. If he can get in the boys about maybe the 2-2. What?

It's bad. So you don't believe in Tyler Hunter? It's bad. Right. No, it's not as bad as you may think it is. I think it's worse. I'm not saying we bring in Lamar Jackson. I ain't calling him Lamar Jackson, but man, he can play some ball.

You know Huntley was a free agent at one time, right? A free agent, which means any other 32 other teams could have signed him. Oh, it's your stop. Not if you're a quarterback. They might do that to some other positions. Not that position because it's going to stop. Not if you're a quarterback. They might do that to some other positions, not that position, because it's too valuable. It's too valuable a plot of land. I'm going to say something, but I ain't going to say it.

I don't even feel like being controversial, but don't worry about it. I'm going to let that one go. I think the thing is that, look, Ryan Tannehill is available. Cam Newton is available. I don't know if Cam really wants to play or if he's in shape to play football. Desmond Ritter, who? Possible trade targets. Wait, to go where?

Russell Wilson, Carson Wentz. To Miami. Bryce Young and Tua on the same team? I wonder why they... I mean, what other quarterbacks are out there that are familiar with that offense? I like Tannehill. Tannehill would have been nice. Carson Wentz.

Carson Wentz ran a variance of it under Doug Peterson. Doug Peterson learned under Andy Reid. Andy Reid got a West Coast system from Coach Parcells, Mike Holmgren. So it's an offshoot of it. It's not like Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and Mike McDaniel, all those guys, really. Yeah. But it's an offshoot of it.

Or they could tank and get the number one pick. I mean, you know how difficult it is to talk about? And you might get Travis Hunter. Or you could miss your door. Wait, Jacksonville? Oh, my. No, Miami.

Oh, no. I'm thinking about the quarterback situation because I'm thinking about being a bust. I hate using that word. I hate using that word for that position. Especially when you go as high as number one. To Miami. Shador. Shador. Man, that's. No. especially when you go as high as number one to Miami should do her man that's

no that's impossible you just pay two that's impossible damn man I mean sometimes people build a new house and sell it sometimes people build a new house and sell it. No, not really. Sometimes people build a new house and sell it. Not really.

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but yeah you do joe push it down the field now he got an arm he ain't gonna to move now. The Statue of Liberty has moved more than Joe Flacco in the last 175 years. Yeah, I got you. Okay, one thing. But anyway, you get where I'm going. Derrick Henry, 209 total yards, a buck 99 on the ground. He caught a touchdown pass.

The Ravens look very, very good tonight. In all three phases of the game, offense, defense, special teams, the special team didn't really, the kicking game really didn't come into play because when they got the ball down there, they got the ball into the end zone. The Baltimore Ravens are starting to look like the Baltimore Ravens. We expected them to look like Lamar Jackson

again. Outstanding performance for, what was he, 13 of 18, 156, two touchdowns, no turnovers. Derrick Henryry 24 for 199 uh i wanted him to get that man he wanted that thing bad he wanted that two bills if i'm about to build somebody gotta get you the word like i have a staff man they tell like last last week just yesterday they came and told me hey travis needs 10 more yards to go for another 100 for his sixth consecutive game.

So we was getting ready to try to get him a quick slant or something to get him his 10 more yards because we're aware of that stuff, but the game, it played out differently and I didn't want to be insulting to throw him a ball when we're up by margin. So the staff tells you that they should have gotten that one more yard, man.

Right. Yeah, well, he needed six. No, he needed four because he had 196. He came in, he got two. He got upset because on the last possession, they tossed it to him, and he wanted a straight handoff. He wanted to hand it to

him. He didn't want to toss because he know the defense is going to be flowing because if you know you need that many yards, guess who else know you need that many yards? The defense. But all his big plays came from the toss sweeps though. That's probably why they did that. All his big runs

he broke came from the toss sweeps. But I didn't like it because what they did is they had the fullback in the offset. So I like him straight up in the eye. But when you watch this game, Ochocho what did you like about what you saw from the Ravens listen they look completely different than what they looked the previous what week week one being able to run the ball I kind of feel sorry for the receivers I feel sorry for Zay a little bit I feel sorry for Aguilar uh Mark Andrews and likely because they're not getting they're not

getting the touches I think they should because the running game is so efficient, especially tonight. The play action worked a little bit better because the running game was so efficient. Derrick Henry doing what Derrick Henry does. We saw the Derrick Henry of old that we saw when he was with Tennessee somewhat in his prime, obviously being able to hit his head off the goalpost. And I'm not sure how old Derrick Henry is, but what he went, 97, 95? They couldn't catch him. 87, being able to hit his head off the goal post, and I'm not sure how old Derrick Henry is, but what he went, 97, 95?

They couldn't catch him. They couldn't catch him. He had a great win. He had a great win. There you go. What? Don't you mean? I just said he had a great win. What was I saying?

Let's lose to the Broncos. Aaron Rodgers annoyed at Salah's comments on offensive cadence. That's not good. Quarterback all of you. I mean, head coach said one thing. Start playing, saying something different. That wasn't me because I'd be on the cross like this. Close up, boys.

Send the Barrabas. They'd be on the cross. Send the Barrabas. I'd be on the cross. That was me. You got to get on the same page. Hey. I'll be on the cross. That was me. They got to get on the same page. Hey, man. Lord have mercy.

They got to get on the same page. They need to be on the same page. When? Hold on, Ocho. When has Rodgers ever been on the same page? He marched to the beat of his own drum. You can't be calling that your head coach out there. You can't do your coach like that.

You can't throw your coach. He's always done that. He can do that. He's always done that. He's always done it. When has he not done it? See, that's what happens when you're great like that. You got MVPs. You won a Super Bowl.

Ain't nobody going to say anything. Hold on. Let's get this straight, big fella. Everybody on this thing was great. We ain't liking greatness on this call. No, no, but I'm saying, but you know, when it comes to the quarterbacks, the more hardware you have, the greater you are,

the greater people are willing to sweep what you say, what you do under the card. Wait, there's another one? No, no, no, no, no. Hold on, Hold on. Hold on. Now, you got to forget who's saying it. Now, you change the quarterback that makes a statement like that, they ain't sweeping nothing under the rug.

And Rod, get away from that. No, no, no. Stay with me now. That's my point. I'm going to leave you like that. That's my point. But when does it stop? Never? Never.

No, no, no. One thing about it, everybody in this game has a shot clock. Oh, yeah. Everybody in the game has a shot clock. Guess what happens? It happens to everybody. They'll tolerate you until they can replace you. That's right.

Did you not see what happened in Green Bay with the quarterback before Aaron Rodgers? Did you not see what happened to Aaron Rodgers? They will tolerate you. Go back and look. A.B.'s situation in Pittsburgh. They will tolerate you until they can replace you. And when they replace you, they done.

It happens. A.B., Shannon ain't talking about you because, you know, A.B. is shooting back, Shannon. I just want to say you. A.B. relentless on this talking about you because you know A.B. is shooting back, Shannon. I just want to say you. A.B. relentless on this one. That's my dog. I love your dog. That was Shannon. Shannon said he's sorry.

He ain't talking about you. Leave him alone. Ty, the one thing I've learned about you, what you told me is that, hey, block that noise out. You know who you are. That's right. Somebody's saying this about you or calling you this. You know that's know who you are that's right somebody somebody saying this about you or calling you this you know that's not who you are so why does somebody that you don't even have no

dealings with saying something about you bother you that's right it's the attraction it's the attraction most people are attracted to hate i'm attracted to love show me you love me i got you listen i'm attracted to love too but i need a i got you love you listen i'm attracted to love you but i need a little bit of hate huh prime i like a little i need i need a little bit of hate i need a little balance like on twitter see you you probably got ping pong paddles on your bed and you got no ping pong tape you probably want to be spanking all that but i got a whole i got a whole dungeon i got a whole special room yeah see that i don't want to hear that i'm just telling you about me you got you got it you got a swing set you want to see it i got a special moment. Yeah. See, I don't want to hear that. I'm just telling you about me.

You got a swing set. You want to see it? I got a swing set right here. No, I do not want to see it, though. You know what, Chet? For those of you, you saw the movie Fifty Shades of Grey? That was my script. They took the film.

I sent in footage. I was supposed to be Christian Grey. I was supposed to play that part. They took my script and in footage. I was supposed to be Christian Gray. I was supposed to play that part. They took my script and the footage. I sent in visual reference to show them what I had and what I could do and what I do at home in my little dungeon. And then when they made a movie out of it,

I sued and all. Sad thing about it, it's a little truth to what you're saying. See, that's the thing that they don't understand. To every good joke, it's a little truth to it. Truth to it. My last name and heart, and I don't tell no jokes. I'll lie for you before I lie to you.

Well, y'all, hey, I'm clean as they come. Ty, if you know me, I'm clean as they come, Ty. Ty. Coach O, Antonio Pierce head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders liked an IG post speculating that Devontae Adams might have played his last snap

with the Raiders Sports Illustrated wrote don't be surprised if Devontae Adams has already played his last snap with the Raiders Michael Fabinia? How do you say his last name? Michael Fabiano.

Like by Antonio Pierce. Tim, you have to understand, when you hear things like that, or when media has speculations like that, it comes from somewhere. It ain't coming out the air. It ain't coming out the air. So the fact that we're in the social media area, Antonio Pierce and many other coaches have social media as well.

And the fact that him liking it, what did Antonio Pierce say in his... He says, I have some guys out there making business decisions, and we will make business decisions moving forward if Devontae Adams happens to end up with the New York Jets I said it first if Devontae Adams happens to end up

there was one more team that was a needed receiver if Devontae Adams happens to end up in Kansas City I said it first if it ain't Devontae Adams in Kansas City it will be Amari Cooper. You can book that. Or what do you call him? I'm sure

what you call him. DeHart. Because I was surprised that they didn't get DeHart when he was available last year. They wasn't paying enough money, remember? I thought that would be a good thing they were cutting short on the cash throw me the bag you know what I can do

but here's the thing Ocho is that what you gave up to get Devontae nobody's going to give you two first rounds to get a wide receiver. Because guess what? I know you want to get rid of him. See, Tyreek got what he wanted because he caught everybody off guard.

It wasn't nothing. There was no speculation. As a matter of fact, they had just... Did they lose the Super Bowl? They had just lost the Super Bowl. I think they lost to Tampa. Yeah.

If I'm not mistaken. No, they... No, no, no, no. They lost to Cincinnati in the championship game. That was Tyreek's last game because remember they ended up picking a pass. He threw a deep pass, and it ended up getting picked off to Tyreek. Nobody knew that Tyreek wasn't available.

Drew wanted to do a deal. Tyreek wanted to be a highest paid. The one thing is, hey, they're not going to let you force their hand. And they says, okay, hey, you can go shop yourself. So,

it's like, hold on, we need to tell, we can get Tyreek knowing that there are some teams out there, Ocho, they really need a receiver.

You're talking about one of the top three, one of the top, he probably ain't going to get past three. So, you got one of the top three receivers available. Whatever you one. He probably ain't going to get past three. So you got one of the top three receivers available. Whatever you

want. What is it going to take to get it? Whatever you want. But listen, you got to understand that the Kansas City Chiefs are in dire need of a playmaker. I mean, I don't think it would be two first rounders at this point.

Okay. No, that's my point. You're not going to get in return. Ocho, you know how it is. You buy a car, the likelihood of you buying, you go buy a car right off the lot. Keep it for three weeks. Absolutely not.

I think the Chiefs understand that. I think the Raiders understand that. But why would you continuously keep a player that's not happy around? Let it be known that he's not happy and he wants to be a player that's not happy around? Let it be known that he's not happy and he wants to be out. He's not vocal about it. But look at his body language. Look at his mannerisms.

They're going to make it happen. I'm telling you, the project is... This is not what he signed up for. He thought that when he came there, he was going to play with his college teammate. That's what he thought up for. He thought that when he came there, he was going to play with his college teammate. That's what he thought. And after one year, his college teammate was

gone. And so now he played with Aiden O'Connor. He's like, bro, who's going to give me the ball? Because y'all got people out here thinking, I'm losing a step. I'm stepping off a cliff. And y'all not paying attention who's throwing me the ball.

I had Aaron Rodgers. I come, I get Derek Carr. And guess what? I still go for 1,500 and make first team all pro my first year with a new team. They trade quarterbacks. And we got these quarterbacks that's throwing me the ball. And y'all expect me to make, you know, wine out of what? At least if y'all gave me

water and grapes, I could make wine. Y'all give me vinegar. And say, go make wine with it, Devontae. It's only one person turn water into wine, man. Yeah, but Devontae said, well, that's what y'all want me to do. Just give me some grapes. I get the stomping,

a little water, sugar. I could make something happen out of that. But you giving me vinegar. It's going to be bitter. It's going to be alright. Listen, Antonio Pierce, they're going to make some business decisions. They're going to make it. I'm telling you, if you end up with the Jets, or

if you end up with the Chiefs, I say it first. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's 28, 29 million. Yeah. 20. Hello. Oh, let me ask you a question. And this is what I tell people all the time when they need to pay him.

I say, what are they finishing the division last? Well, they can finish that without it. I mean, oh, Joe, you can finish last in the division. I got 29, 30, 40, 50 million dollars. I mean, if I'm paying that kind of money, shouldn't I be first? I mean, on the cusp of being first? Now, they had a huge comfort behind win,

down 10 points again to Cleveland. They came back, beat Baltimore, down 10 points. So they have resiliency. They have resolve. Remember, in order to be efficient, offensive, you got to have some dogs, man. You got to have some dogs, man.

Yes! You think you're going to walk out there with a bunch of swan wiles? Go ahead. You're going to be able to dance with the rock wiles. That ain't going to happen. You got to have some dogs out there to be able to dance with the Rottweilers, that ain't going to happen.

You got to have some dogs out there to be able to compete. You do? I just think Devontae at this point would be happier elsewhere. He won't say it but I'll say it for him. It is.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's like, I'm worn out by welcome here. I can only do so much. I play a very dependent position, and the people that I'm depending on, I can't or I shouldn't be.

There ain't nothing worse than being, Ocho, you know how you like, you need a ride and need somebody to take you somewhere and you already know, hey, bro, I need to be here by X time and you are, the worst thing you need to do in anything

need a ride, be in a relationship where you're dependent on that person, you know, because you get dependent on a person, you know, because you get dependent on a person, they treat you like any kind of high. Think about it. Somebody making the money, they

expect you to take whatever they're dishing out. Where you gonna go? Who gonna treat you like me? Well, I can go anywhere and get treated just like this here. I might not have the means, but at the end of the day, you treat me a lot of folks in situations like that now you're preaching that it is it is uh but it's like my grandfather and I tell this all the time I remember my grandfather very vividly telling my aunts because they had had gotten grown, they were still at the house,

and they wanted to come in, you know, they wanted to come in one, two o'clock in the morning. My grandfather said, don't grumble and stay. Grumble and leave. He said, tell me what an SOB I am at your place. But you ain't going to tell me what I am at mine, because you're not coming in here at the time that you want to. Grown folks have their own place.

Whole bunch of grown folks don't stay with other grown folks and then tell them how to run their house. Sound like roommates, huh? That ain't happening at Marty Porter's house. So guess what happened? They got their stuff in there. Don't grumble and stay. Grumble and leave. Tell me where the mofo i am at your place right

man i can't stand that mofo he make me sick but you at your place saying that you're not finna say that here you know you know man look at barney hey oh man look here yeah you talk about hurricane paulie paula look here barney porter they play the drums You talk about Hurricane Paula. Look here. Barney Porter, they played the drums. Amen. He did not play with his kids or nobody's kids.

He was matter of... Right. Imagine what I am magnified times 10. When that joker say, I'm going to be at your house a certain amount of time, you better be sitting on that porch. When he, when he say,

I'm coming to pick them, I'm coming to pick them kids up to go to Bible study or go to Sunday school. And I'm going to be there X time. It wasn't no, hold on, Mr. Barney. You better be ready.

Oh, no. What? What do you think we got there from, Ocho? He did not play that. When that man say we leaving for church at this time. Lord have mercy. I should have had my brother tell you. Ask him. Yeah. That joke didn't play at all. Lord have mercy I should have had my brother tell you ask him

that joker didn't play at all he was quick to say look here all that joking and kiki he said hey grown man don't play like that all that kiki that's where I get that kiki from oh no but I tell you what, Chad,

if y'all see my brother asking, say, Sterling, man, I heard your brother talking about your grandfather. Tell us what he was like. See what he say. I ain't gonna ask about that. Y'all don't know what to say

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The Browns enter Week 5 with the worst third down offense in the NFL, and they failed. They failed to convert all 12 of their third down attempts today with Deshaun in the game. Hey, I got a question. Ocho, at some point in time,

Ocho. What? What's the issue? What's the issue? Is it mental? Is it the play calling? I mean, what do you think it is? And I'm confused. I've been watching football for a long time.

For a very long time. In the nosedive that I've seen from a personal standpoint of arguably maybe a top three quarterback when he was with the Texans to what the version of Deshaun Jackson, I'm sorry, the version of Deshaun Watson I'm seeing now. That's how in such a short amount of time. How? Barring an injury. The only time, the only time, Oh, Joe,

I can say I've seen this kind of drop off from any kind of player. Hold on. It's through injury, injury. If you have a significant injury, that would explain it. I could offer you, Ocho, man, you know the man he tore his patella tendon. Ocho, you know

the man tore his Achilles. He had back-to-back ACL surgery. Ocho, he almost had his shoulder ripped off the bone. So that would explain the cataclysmic drop in his play. But I don't see an injury that would

cause it. It's mental. It's mental, huh? Listen, do you know how hard that is to get back, especially at that position? At the quarterback position? If you messed up mentally here, and at the quarterback position, you got the ball

in your hands every time. So your judgment and your mind, it already got to be clear because if you judgment in your mind and you're not healthy as well on top of that, you'll never be able to play well. You'll never be able to excel with that position. Like, I was

thinking about it. I'm looking at, I'm thinking about it early today. Well, goddamn, I'm looking at, well, damn, the Browns, got Amari Cooper. You got Nick Chubb coming back soon. I think maybe two weeks. Maybe one more. And Joku.

And Joku. Elijah Moore. You bought him a young bull. Damn. Why am I going blank right now? You bought him a young bull, Jerry, why am I going blank right now? You brought him a young bull, Jerry Judy. I'm like, okay, we good.

I'm talking about we good. I'm just saying as a fan, as a fan of Deshaun Watson, as a fan of some of these young bulls over there, man, that I enjoy watching. I'm like, okay, they're going to compete. They're going to compete. They're going to have a chance in the AFC North. And it's just not what

I envision based on what I've seen in the past. And I really can't put my hands on it on why they look the way they do. He don't even move the same. Ocho, he don't even move the same. You don't look the same in the pocket.

And I think, you know, look, I'm not here to try to rehash and rethink anything, but I think that weighed a lot on his mind. I think it weighed a hell of a lot on his mind.

And he hasn't been the same. And I think everybody knows that. I'm not breaking... Ocho, you and I are not breaking news. Everybody knows. I saw the guy. His last year starting in Houston,

he led the NFL in passing yards. He did that. I'm not so sure. Deshaun, he's 28, 29, 30, 31st, 32nd. He's a bottom five quarterback currently. Look at Joe Flacco in Indy. Look at what Joe Flacco did in Cleveland.

Joe Flacco is, if I'm not mistaken, I think I read this, is eight days younger than Anthony Richardson-Mong. Joe Flacco is, if I'm not mistaken, I think I read this, is eight days younger than Anthony Richardson Monk. Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. Yes. Yes. It's because I think sometimes, Ocho, when you have. Yeah. An image. And. I think sometimes Ocho when you have yeah an image and

and then all of a sudden that image is not what was being portrayed and people start to like you start to think how do they look at me now how do they perceive me and that plays with you because you're out in the public how do they look at me now? How do they perceive me? And that plays with you.

Because you're out in the public. If somebody, I would have been, so I would have lost a lot of money, Ocho. If somebody would have said, Shannon, he's never going to be the same again. I said, man, you're out your mind. I said, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm like, hold on. Is he going to be the same again I said man you out your mind I said hold on hold on hold on hold on

is he going to have he's not going to have a career threatening injury he's not going to have anything I would have bet it with the quickness too I know what I've seen from him I know what I've seen and I've just never seen

a performance decline in such know what I've seen. And I've just never seen a performance decline in such a fast rate. Especially when you have a better supporting cast than what you had in Houston. And he's young. Also, it wasn't

like he's 30. Is he 30? He came because he came out He's 29 I got a better question for you He just turned 29, Ocho How do we get him back to the old Deshaun? How do we fix the problem?

How do we fix the issues? Let me ask you a question In professional sports When have you seen a guy have this kind of precipitous drop and bounce back up? Name the sport. Football, basketball, baseball? Ain't never happened, huh?

Yeah, man. It's hard, Ocho. because so much of sports is physical yes we've seen guys that had talent but if you're weak-minded mentally that's where you have to be the strongest what do they say the best athletes have what? The strongest mentality. You gotta be. Because that's everything. You have to have a self-belief that I'm the baddest mofo on this field, this court, this diamond, this whatever the case may be. Whatever your avenue,

this court, Serena, whatever your arena is, you have the mindset that I'm the baddest mofo here. Dang it. Because a lot... Bro, Tom Brady ain't the most talented quarterback.

Not even close. He might not be in the top one as far as talent. I'm talking about physical talent. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about ability to run, jump, I'm saying? I'm talking about the ability to run, jump, arm strength. That's where they beat you at.

That joke of mine. Drew Brees. That's where they beat you at, huh? They beat you upstairs. All that coach speak to Tom. Oh, man, that's a great... Tom, listen. And I tend to tell people, how do you know? I said, I'm telling you how they think. Let me tell you, we did a lot of this too.

They're going to tell you what a great team that is. And they're really, really tough. They're really disciplined. They're really well coached. But in that closed door behind that meeting, Belichick is telling me we're going to kick their ass. And Tom Brady is in that meeting telling them at practice, we're going to kick their ass. They don't deserve to be on the field. But we're going to keep hyping them And Tom Brady's in that meeting telling them at practice, we're going to kick their ass. They don't deserve to be on the field, but we're going to keep hyping them up.

He actually believed that. And what great leaders can do, they can convince others around them to believe just like they are. They believe just what Tom was so great and so believable.

Guys, we're going to do this. We're going to do this. Man, you hear what Tom said? Man, we're down 14. Tom said we're coming back. Yeah, we're coming back. Yeah, we're coming back. That's how it works.

I don't think Deshaun, I don't think his, what happened. Same thing. Look at Ben Simmons. Oh. Look at Ben Simmons in basketball, Locho. All defensive, all star, all NBA, rookie of the year. Yeah, he got hurt. But his mentality was, is that what happened in Philly

y'all remember I said it I said he's never going to be the same his coach criticized him and the best player on the team criticized him but stuff like that shouldn't break you that's motivated right there that's motivated I ain't what I

you don't think oh okay bet let me ask you a question okay debate. I ain't what I understand. You don't think Oh, okay. Bet. Let me ask you a question. Okay. Yeah. It's the they call a play for you. Hold on. What down it is?

Okay. Okay. I'm lined up. It's fourth and five. Oh, we're in the huddle? No, they call the play. They say, Oh, let's say we're in the huddle? No, we're in the huddle. No, they call to play. They say, oh, oh. Let's say we're going to call 200 jet X land. That's you.

You the X. No, no. But this is what you do. You done lost your confidence so bad, you like Carson. Oh, hell nah. So TJ the ball. Hey, you got hell nah. You got me. What?

But fourth and five? And you know it's four down and they finna play man to man? Man, stop saying that. You remember that game when they played Atlanta? They passed Ben Simmons the ball.

Oh, hey, when he, when he had to lay up and he passed it off? I remember the play exactly. See that? I remember that. You see that? Now you see what I remember that you see now you see

what I'm talking about Dave Canales threw Bryce Young back in the game with 415 remaining and Bryce took his first snap in the game since being benched

after 0-2 oh so you mean to tell me the quarterback situation that don't change anything huh huh on the first play

he brought time and Scramlin found Miles Sanders open for a 27-yard game. Canales did a fantastic job and said Andy Dalton will remain the starter for next week against the Falcons. After the game, Bryce Young asked if the current situation lit a fire putter here.

Come on. What'd you think, Ocho? Politically correct. He's saying all the right things things but maybe that is just him though you can tell from his you know his mannerism the way the way the way he carries himself that's just him personality oh joe yeah i i see i can see his personality i can see cool dude real soft-spoken real soft-spoken it just you know i think i think he's gonna get his he's gonna get the opportunity again i just I just hope his confidence

is whenever that opportunity presents itself that he's ready mentally you know and I think it probably might be with the Panthers or if it's elsewhere I hope he's ready well

until they get some weapons they're like don't put me back in there because I ain't going to look no better because Andy Dalton look how Andy Dalton numbers with those weapons and everybody oh Andy Dalton look at Andy Dalton we got a large enough sample size to know what Andy Dalton is

large enough plenty large I don't care who the quarterback is. Ain't nobody. Look, you better be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady to make this beach receiver look good. They got some nice. I mean, they got some boys over there. Once they get Adam Thielen back, they got Xavier Leggett.

They got Mingo. You know, they got some boys. They got Deontay. Listen, they got Deontay they got Deontay Johnson they got some nice little pieces, they just got to put that shit together they got to put it together

and then when you have question marks at a quarterback position that means the receiver position and the tight ends have to be that much better than the quarterback it gotta be That means the receiver position and the tight ends have to be that much better than the quarterback. It got to be.

It got to be. And that's why he doesn't stand a chance. Because they're not. That's not nice, huh? They're not that much better. He ain't throwing to Kelsey and Laporta and Kittle and guys like that. He's not throwing to Justin Jefferson and Chase and guys like that. Even if you want to go, even if you take those top 10 guys out and go to the next 10, what,

what guy, if I give you, if I give you how many receivers you're going to go to before you take Deontay Johnson, you leg it. I get it. He's a rookie, but how many receivers and tight ends are you going to go through before

you pick one off the Carolina roster? A bunch. That's rude. It's the truth, though. Rookies, look at what CJ was throwing to. He had Nico, Tank Dale, Noah Brown as well. He had Dalton Schultz.

He had nice feet. Which one of those guys well. He had Dalton Schultz. He had nice people. Which one of those guys are better than any of the guys that I named? On the Panthers? Yeah. Which one of those guys is better than Nico Collins, better than Tank Dale, better than Dalton Schultz, better than, hell, Noahz. Better than hell. No,

Brown comparison is the thief of joy. Yeah. And they stealing all the joy from Bryce Young. Could they do it? Ish. I'm glad you, I'm glad you brought that up. The volume.

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