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Yeah.
Jalen Brown says one of the hardest parts of becoming successful is how he can change, how it can change the people closest to you.
Let's take a listen to what J.B. had to say.
think about a lot of different situations and conversations.
I think that's the hardest part for a young man and a young woman.
But that's been the hardest part for me to navigate, you know, because it puts you on an island, isolates you.
Conversations become, you know, invoices.
Like, it just gets, it gets, the lines get blurred, you know, and it gets tough.
And as a young man puts you.
away from and disconnected to certain things
where it feels like if you have,
if you need something or you want to go somewhere,
you can't even go there.
But as you mature, you get used to it
and you learn to find whatever solace that you need.
But if you're talking about the emotion of money,
that's the, I think one of the most important conversations
is that shift, that dynamic shifts
and how that affects the mental health of yourself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
man he said some truth though yeah it affects the people around you more than it affects you
bro you know because at the end of the day uncle ocho they want to live the same lifestyle you
live they want the same type of stuff that you got yeah you can't do that bro if i help you i help
you hell if i don't i don't you know what i mean but not obligated yeah i ain't obligated but when you you know
some people had you feeling somewhat entitled bro and you got to get rid of them i'm just
keep in one hundred which you got to get rid of them can't be around them don't bring them around you
let them stay where they be bro i don't get a damn who it is family or not yeah that's one of the
worst feelings that's one of the worst feelings that they actually happen to have and to have people
that were not there from day one i'm talking about to have people joe that that were not there from
day one that come in while you where you've already made it where you're already successful we ain't
talk about to about tomorrow hey but oh cho hell even some that is even some that
even some that was there day one hell you can't take care of that yeah yeah no no
you have you have to learn to say no I'm very good at that my circle and I don't
we talked about this a long time ago in the earlier shows about my circle still
being the same my circle is still the same and my small Nick group in Cincinnati
I got my small knit group here in in Miami and it hasn't changed regardless of
what have I achieved what I've achieved what what what I've achieved
through life. When I was at the bottom, they still here. When I made it to the top, they still here.
When I fell back to, well, I ain't fall all the way to the bottom. When I fell a little bit,
they were still here. Now I'm back up. It's still the same people. Nothing has changed. And I learn
how to say no, Joe. I learned how to say no. Because saying no, what it does is it weeds out
all the ones who really ain't there for you anyway. It's easy. The word no. It's powerful because
to show, it forces people to show their true colors.
I always listen.
I always listen to everything people say to me,
especially when they say it in joking form.
Because it's got some truth in it.
Especially when they say it in joking form.
That's what I tell people.
When people talk about, oh, he was just joking.
Hey, there's truth in jokes.
Yes.
Every time.
And sometimes people try to camouflage their truth
by trying to make it funny.
Yeah.
Because the job of the meeting is take real events
and make them funny.
Yeah.
Come on, nah.
That's how they ain't even.
Sunday, but go ahead.
So it ain't even Sunday.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
That's, he was just joking.
Oh, he don't know how to take a joke.
Nah, he tried to frame it as a joke.
Joke.
Yeah.
But he meant what he said or she meant what he said.
You gotta keep them people from Ryan.
Oh, oh, so hold on.
You don't do taxes, why?
Because you're not a CPA.
You're not a tax accountant.
So why you try to tell jokes?
Why you try to be funny?
You're not a comedian.
Yeah.
I had a dude tell me, so man,
you know, I ain't never ask you.
for anything. I was like why you were supposed to. Right. Now I'm going to hit you with
Ocho. Ocho, you know I ain't never asked you for anything. You know what's about to come next.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Man, you know whatever, whatever, uh, whatever you can spare. I can't spare
anything. I mean, I'm just keeping it real with you. Hey, thank, hey. Hey, that's a good one.
I like that one.
I like that one.
I can't spare.
Hey, hey, hey, I, I show hate to come at you like this, man.
I show hate to come to you with this, but, man, you want.
Nah, hell, nah, I ain't your only option here.
And I hold, I show hate to send you away just like you came.
Yep, they're handed.
But that's the thing, though, Joe, I think the thing is that it's not enough for people to live
vicariously through you.
They want to live as you.
Yep.
Yep.
Exactly.
I'm like, bro, I, I, I ain't, bro, I can't.
That's that entitlement.
I got a huge, I got a huge responsibility.
I got to make sure, as I promised my grandmother, my mom, my sister, my brother,
and I got kids my damn self.
What about this?
So I give you, and what about them?
They ain't studying them.
They ain't studying them.
They ain't stunning that they taking, they're taking out your kids mouth.
bro they're not studying that they're thinking about them at this point I'm telling you
man I've been there bro I know exactly what you're talking about I'm like man it's
tough it's tough to tell people know because some of these people you've known 20
30 years Joe yeah your whole life some you have to you have to set up a
foundation you have to set up boundaries and only give somebody money that you know
you're not gonna get back I don't lend money
Joe, I give people money
and I only give what I know I'm not
going to miss and I'm not going to be wanting to fight
you every time I see you because you
hadn't paid it back.
There's got to be one stipulation though
when I give you this money.
Don't bring your ass back. Don't bring your ass back
no damn two months later.
After you didn't ran out, I'm saying about some man, I know
last time you hooked me up but
I need another. Nah, hell no.
Ain't no more hookups.
Ain't no more hookups.
Hey, they don't care. They don't care.
They don't care about your own personal responsibilities.
They don't care about your family you got to take care of.
But anytime they ask, you're supposed to just fork it over.
Every time.
Because especially when you're out of me, don't.
And don't, hold on, hold on.
What happened if we have, they ain't never hit you with, well, you only send me this amount.
But you ain't said you only send me this.
Wait, what?
What?
Huh?
I'm not even obligated to see you all that money you got.
What do you talk about?
Hey, I stop talking somebody.
They say that to me.
I don't care who it is.
I'm talking about I would literally stop talking to you, man.
Yeah.
You, man,
I,
look,
it's never enough.
You could give somebody 50,000.
It's gonna be gone.
Man,
what's 50,000 to somebody like you?
There you go.
When they feel,
hey,
when they feel like they know you got it,
shh.
Where they count in pockets,
quick, boy.
Counting in pockets quick.
And people always, I would do this.
See, because when I said, look, my daughter, my kids get married, my daughter's
getting married, I said, I got 30,000 for you.
But 30,000, y'all trying to impress people.
Yeah.
I know my kids, my kids, my daughter, they're not going to want that anyway.
They would rather take the money.
They'd rather take money.
They'd rather take money.
They'd say, Daddy, give me a down payment on the house.
Buy me a house.
While we having a wedding, people are already going to critique and judge the wedding.
Oh, I thought they'd have a bigger wedding than that.
They didn't need to have no wedding like that.
Why they had to get that reception?
Why she'd get a ring that big.
They're all going to talk about this anyway.
So I'd rather, hey, have a nice look, intimate.
Hey, she already said, look, I get married, Daddy.
Ain't going to be about five people on my side.
I don't know how many he's going to have,
but they're going to be about five on my side.
I don't know why people are so obsessed with other people's money.
Yeah.
You got to pay for your own wedding.
Your parents can't even give you no money.
But because y'all feel like, well,
Ocho, Joe, you got me all that money y'all that made.
Y'all's daughter, they want a $500,000 wedding.
A $500, who?
For what?
Hey, listen, Joe, no.
The bigger the wedding, the more expensive the wedding, the faster the divorce.
Tudda.
Because they're not worried about marriage.
They worry about aesthetics.
Impressing people.
Impressing people.
They're not at work.
I'm worried about a marriage.
You know, a marriage, that, that's long.
You know, that's ups and downs.
You know, that's for better or for worse,
till death do us part.
No, they want a wedding.
They want an event.
They don't want a marriage.
There's a difference.
You got to be able to understand a difference between the two, Joe.
Most of the marriage that lasts the longest on, Cho,
your grand, our grandparents got married.
They got married at the courthouse.
Yeah.
Courthouse.
Well, I would just get ready to say that.
Courthouse.
All the people, they got them big lavish weddings.
They got 500, they got a 2,000, 3,000.
thousand people to each of
if that's what you want
I'm not telling anybody
but y'all stop telling people how much
what they should and shouldn't do for their kids
where y'all don't do nothing for yours
if I had it
everybody can say if
if you were six nine you probably be a six nine
a uh uh uh a personal trainer
not an NBA
everybody it's easy to say if
I remember I was the same way,
Oh shoot, I know you said the same thing.
Man, ain't no way in hell I spent $10,000 for a watch.
Ain't no way I'm gonna spend $500 for a pair of shoes.
Everybody said that until they got it.
Yep.
You think growing up how I grew up in a thousand square foot,
I thought I would spend the kind of money I spent for a house considering?
Yeah.
What?
Yeah.
The kind of cars that we drove,
you think I would spend that kind of money
them for a car.
And we never,
you never was able to take a car to the
Ford dealership or the Chevy dealership.
Man, you better go see Junebug, that shade
tree mechanic and let it work up under the tank up
under that thing. And boy, he's going to, hey.
Wait, who? Junebug.
Who are? Red and soul, Junebug.
Hey, Junebug probably
charged your arm in the league, too, boy.
Nah, June, hey, nah,
June, Junebug was good.
You don't, a six pack of beer,
about $20.
Oh, now that thing ain't working.
Now, everybody not only rubble,
for two weeks, but it's gonna run now.
That's what I'm talking about here.
You're gonna have to take it right back to Junebug.
I had a mechanic back home in Lurrock.
You laugh at, oh, Joe, hey,
anybody from Gliville?
Do y'all know, hey, y'all know by Junebug?
Hey.
That's the day for real.
Hey, I don't know what it's real day, boy.
Joe, Unks say that, hey,
Anks say we're gonna work for two weeks
and you got to take it back to school.
Ocho, I know what he's talking about,
boy, I had an old school.
I had a mechanic back home
and Lurrock who will helping me keeping it running.
Hell, they stay in his shop every damn week.
I'm like, damn, man, I thought you fixed it.
Hell, I'm spending more money than I'd pay you for the damn car.
Man, you don't have a screwdriver, a flat-held screwdriver in the carburetor.
The carburetor, the carburetor.
The carburetor ain't on there.
He just got the screwdriver in there and closed the hood down to my.
This should work now.
I said, man, come on, man.
But I'm telling you, man.
Man, them shade, hey, them shade tree mechanic,
but he ain't had no training.
He just no, I got a first cousin just like that.
He ain't got no training, but he always,
a lawnmour, a motor, he could pull it apart
and put it back together.
And put it back together.
He always had that ability.
No training whatsoever.
His go-car, his little motorcycles,
he could, hey, he ain't never,
he ain't never sent it to the shop.
He'll pull it apart.
He takes the whole damn thing apart
and just be looking at it
and just be looking at it.
It needs this.
You go to the store,
we go to a Westonado or something,
go to spark plug,
get this, get that,
fire it right up.
Yeah.
I can't do it.
God gave me one ability
to be able to,
he gave me two ability.
He said,
son, you can talk
and you can play sports.
That's it.
I ain't going to let you be able to sing.
I ain't going to let you be able to work with your hands.
That's it.
You don't start.
how some people can play instruments.
Oh, Joe, Joe, you know, they can play by four, five instruments.
I'm like, God, you can let me, let me play the piano.
Let me play the drums.
Let me play the saxophone or the trumpet.
Some.
Hey, did y'all try to play any instruments when y'all was in, like, high school and college?
Man, my grandma ain't played that, Joe.
When I was there from junior high, elementary, elementary junior high,
and it wasn't until my freshman year and college,
I mean, freshman in high school where I was able to get out of making a choice
where I don't want to play piano and saxophone.
I played alto saxophone, I played piano.
I never forget, never ever forget.
And that was her way when football season ends
to keep him from being throughout the streets.
Because now when school out,
I can't just go rip and run with the fellas.
I got to go to piano practice.
Man, oh, man.
My brother tried to play,
my brother wanted to join the band.
So my grandson said, yeah, all right, boy,
you can go.
So he went, he got the instrument.
My brother going to play the Trump.
So you know you gotta practice.
Man, my brother,
boy, my brother pulled that trouble
out the case.
Without the poor trying to practice.
Man Papa said, oh hell no.
The noise, the noise.
You took it right back the next day.
Hey.
Bar the poor they play that.
Don't go down there to the branch and play.
But it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
But it's sad that.
You know what I wonder?
I wouldn't, and we can only speak to our race.
You think other races are like this?
What?
That family and family and friends and the loved one
would be hitting them up for money?
Oh, yeah, I do.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I know.
That's one, hey, and Joe, before you go,
that was always one of the conversations that we had.
That's locker room talk right there.
Yeah, this came up before in the locker room.
And it's not just you, you're thinking just you or just us,
but I remember talking with TJ about it.
And then Carson heard it.
And then Pete, the linemen that came off, the de-limin, everybody walking by,
everybody got the same problem.
Regards the background, regards to ethnicity.
I mean, think about Kobe situation.
Yeah.
That's an extreme situation, but yeah.
Hey.
So, you know, I mean, it's tough, man.
I know some cats.
I'm talking about some white men, some Jewish.
men who have kids, Uncun Ocho, who have been entitled and spoiled their whole lives,
whole lives, and it ain't good, bro.
We ain't the only one who had to deal with it.
You know what I mean?
Good.
I feel so much better.
I feel so much better now.
Oh, yeah.
They deal with it on a different surface, too, now.
I am so glad.
But I'm glad my kids, like, look, for the most part, they know.
I help, you know, sometimes I'm just like, okay, here.
They're like, Daddy, you put this?
Oh, you thought you got a bank fare
or something I don't know about?
Who put this in here?
You know who you know damn well.
You ain't put it in there.
Hey, Uncle, but they got,
Uncle and Ocho, they got to show some effort though.
You got to give me some effort.
If you ain't giving me no effort,
hell, I can't do nothing for you.
I'm sorry.
Oh, no, no, everybody got to go to work.
Everybody got to go work, Joe.
Yeah, yeah.
Hold on.
You think I'm about to be 58?
And y'all are y'all 30s?
And I'm working harder than y'all.
and I'm going to support y'all.
Hello.
First of all, y'all's supposed to be supporting me.
That's a good.
I'm going to use that line right there.
I got to use that.
To be talking, real talk, y'all are supposed to be supporting me.
Man.
But no, I will say this.
My kids, they're going to have a job.
Hey, I say, I don't care.
Hey, you don't like your job, but don't you quit until you get another one.
Hello.
Don't you quit until you get another one.
Yeah, got to get out here and do something.
You got to be proactive, trying to, you know,
chase whatever dream it is that you want to do,
but just sitting around not doing nothing.
Oh, no, no, looking at daddy.
Oh, hell no, no, no.
That ain't, that ain't happened.
Oh, no, I can't play that.
But please, when you look at J.B.,
and they know, see, they don't put J.B. numbers in the paper.
What?
So they know J.B.
You made it got $308 million coming.
He made it like $60-something million a year.
Man, $60 million a year?
Man, you could fall, you could fall 50, $100,000.
What's that to you?
Oh, Cho.
Man, my rookie year, you know, I bought my mom, my house, my rookie year,
but it took a while to move into it.
So we were still staying in the house that I grew up in as a kid.
So if my rookie deal was $8, $9 million,
man, we had people coming to the front door,
knocking on the door and everything, asking for all type of stuff.
Come on, man.
Damn joke like that.
I'm telling you, man.
You talk about family.
You talk about immediate family.
Hell no.
Yeah.
I'm talking about people who kind of just grew up in the neighborhood who knew me like,
you know, they ain't mind coming by stopping knocking on the door at.
I'm like, come on, man.
Yeah.
Man.
Who played the bad person?
I knew your mama told everybody.
Everybody knows.
Me and her.
Hell, there ain't one nobody but me and her.
We both had to be the bad person.
Oh, man, look here
That's tough
When we got getting ready to move
Now a lot of people
There's nobody know but family
Not even close friends
Nobody knew the situation was
They were to have indoor plumbing and things like that
We're getting ready to move
And so the word got out that we were in town
Because we lived in the country
Actually where we live was called Tyson, Georgia
Ain't got no traffic lights
Everybody lives like probably a half a mile
From each other
Ain't nobody really really
close to each other like that.
So once the word got out that, you know,
we're looking for a new place,
how about people talking about,
told my grandma that she don't need to move,
she just need to fix this place up.
Because now all of a sudden,
we're going to be living different.
Yeah, yeah.
It ain't costing you nothing.
Why do you care if we move?
Hello.
Oh, you know, that's going to be too much house.
You ain't got to clean it or pay for it.
Why people, boy, people, boy, look here.
They want to keep up.
You want to tell you what?
You want to know what people think about you?
Get some money.
No, hold on.
Not get some money.
Say no.
Say no.
They'll expose it.
They'll show their hand real quick.
See that's what you got to say no?
Because you got some money.
If you ain't got no money, it's easy to say no.
They don't even ask if you ain't got no money.
Ain't nobody has to borrow no money when we have no money.
Right.
But soon as they think you got some money, Joe.
And I just come to the real,
I'm only going to give you what I say, you know what?
Because I don't want to, because did you know money smell, Joe?
Did I know money smell?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It don't get, I didn't know it's mail until they say, oh, here, here,
here's a little 500 funky dollars back.
Oh, now they're funky now.
It's funky.
It wasn't, you didn't say, let me buy 500 funky dollars.
You ain't asked, you ain't say that.
Yeah.
Now you want, now I want it back.
You say it's funky.
Yeah.
little funky $40 a bag.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I got me a little job.
Oh, you still working that little little piece of job?
Oh, it's a piece of job.
Oh, it's a little piece, okay.
Hey.
But now, this little piece of job got me going to where I'm going.
Hello.
I love it.
I love it when they expose himself, Uncle Joe.
I love it.
I love it.
I hate it, though.
I hate it, I hate it though.
It'll ruin a friendship, man.
It really will.
And it makes you.
Man, you know, Joe, Joe, you know,
I ain't never came to you before.
I ain't never asked you for nothing.
Yeah.
Like you're supposed to ask people for something.
Yeah, it makes it, it makes it hard to deal with people
and you become way more reserved
than what you normally be.
Like, look, man.
Yes.
Yeah, you know what?
Hell, a lot of stuff that I was doing,
I could do this by myself and have so much damn fun
without dealing with this damn drama.
You hear me?
Yeah.
But I just give and just keep it moving.
I just, I just give it and keep it moving.
I'm like, okay, now I know, go and put you on block.
Are they gonna find you?
They gonna be on block, they gonna find you.
They gonna find you.
They can't find me.
Find who?
They can't find me.
And guess what?
Hey, you got a new number?
Let me, no, I'm go.
Hey, I get you.
I find you.
Hey, hey, you talk about we, if you mess around,
trying to bump into them and you don't block them.
Man, you must have got a new number.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.
You know how it is, yeah.
Hey, it's like some people can't catch a hint, Kenny man.
Big can't?
Damn.
You've heard the chaos.
Now you can see it.
Hello.
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And you make it on, you make your own.
That's great.
I call him Terro Reed.
It's a good name.
They're all named after cast members of American Pie.
Yeah.
I call, I don't.
I never looked up if she was in this, but I call him Leachy Sobieski.
I don't think she was an American pie, but I still like that.
Haven't looked it up.
She was prominent around the same time.
Then Mary Steenberg.
Why are you guys talking to me?
I'm worried.
Why are you talking so down to me that you think I don't understand your little play game?
I just really trying to set you up for success here.
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The nine of the ten most expensive NBA games feature, guess what team you think to feature, Ocho?
If I had to give you a guess.
nine of the worst of the most expensive NBA games this season feature what team
Philly?
I mean, Philly number one.
The Knicks 76's open at night is $2,6005 average.
The Lake of 76's 830.
76 is Knicks, 539.
76 is Cavalieries, 478.
76's Celtics, 316.
76 is Trailblazers, 272.
76 of Pistons, 259.
Hornet, 76 is.
76ers. Paceous Seventy.
Philly had zero games in the top 10 last season.
But a guy that ain't no good, don't nobody care about him.
People show don't want to see him, how, Joe?
The old king, huh?
Everybody want to come see the old king.
What game we go catch you, man?
We got to catch him somewhere, guys.
Come on, y'all, y'all let me know.
We need to be booked.
Hey, we got to prepare for that now.
Why are you boojah?
Why are you bull-jabbing, Joe?
We definitely do.
You heard me, huh?
What was that?
Keenan Allen went to the coach.
Did he?
Yeah.
Oh, Kenan Allen, nice.
Was he with the Chargers last year?
Yeah, he was with the Bears.
Yeah, he went back to Chargers.
He just signed.
He just, yeah, he's just signed with the Colts.
Damn.
We got to find a game to go to.
Well, we definitely ain't going to the Nick 76th.
That was out.
Yeah, we ain't going.
You just said it's only 2,600.
Boy, that ain't for no court-sized seat.
The hell.
Oh. Oh, you got a hat and feet on the wood, huh?
Yeah.
Yeah, well, you just like me.
I know I'm a hat him feet on the wood for that Minnesota Timberwood's game.
He gained the first one.
You're going to have your feet on the wood?
Hey, that'll be the only game I go to you.
I owe your ass whooping from the time I try to put your feet on the wood here in Atlanta.
I owe your ass with my ass with me.
But, Joe, you know your boys go up.
If I tell you something,
Hey, you already know, Joe.
If I tell you, Joe, if I tell you,
if I tell you Graz going to turn to cheese,
what you're going to do?
Start hustling crackers.
Start hustling crackers.
You already know.
If I tell you, Grahs going to turn the cheese,
quit everything, sell everything you got.
Just hustle crackers.
Hey.
What's up, bro?
Hey.
Hey, don't forget, Joe, Joe stood us up.
You know what?
I'm going to forgive me for that.
I was in Atlanta.
I was in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago.
Old Joe had a joke with Joe.
Joe had us good old time.
Hey, you know that man tried to come in between us.
Boy, hey, hey, hey, Ocho.
You know what?
He did, didn't it?
Hey, I'm just reminding you.
He the same one stood us up on your birthday.
Now, I flew all the way to do.
So, you know, to celebrate with you.
Hey, oh.
Misery loves company now.
You know, misery loves company.
Kind of do, kind of do.
Yeah, hey, listen, misery love company, but ain't, you know,
I'm not miserable.
I'm just want to remind, you know, you know,
Don't let he pull the wool over, guys.
It's easy to have a good time
when he already in the city.
Huh?
See, I jumped on a plane.
You did you?
You definitely jumped on the plane.
You jumped on the plane.
You jumped on the jojo.
I can't deny.
But you know what?
We're going to get an opportunity
to make it all back up.
Yeah.
We got a combined.
We're going to go.
We're going to go to a game.
Okay.
And stop bringing up old stuff,
brus.
Staring up old stuff still staying.
Stop doing that.
For real.
Hey, you know what they say about old stuff, huh?
when it lay around long enough, huh?
What?
It's still, it's still a thing.
Yeah.
I got some,
hey,
I got a surprise for you, though.
Don't even worry about that.
When we got the live show in the H-Town,
I got something for you, boy.
We can't let that go yet, Joe.
Oh, okay.
My bad.
My bad.
My bad.
Hey,
hey, listen.
That live show at H-time,
boy, I'm going to have a cowboys.
Oh, Joe,
we can't let that cat out of the bag just yet.
Oh, my bad.
Oh, my bad.
Oh, my bad.
My bad, my bad.
Hey, they're waiting, though.
Hey, honestly, hey, what, what arena?
My bad.
My bad.
I hate I even brought it up.
Damn.
My bad.
Hey, hey, what arena the Texas plan?
The Houston Texas.
I'm just throwing this idea.
Yeah, what's the name of the arena?
I don't know.
Alliant, reliant, reliant, I think.
I think, you know what?
As much as they love us down there, Houston,
I think we can sell out the whole stadium.
Reliant.
Yeah.
That's how I feel.
So what game can we catch?
That Christmas Day game is just out of the question.
I already know if I call my guy,
I know they're going to be wanting.
Jesus Christ.
They're going to probably want at least 45, 50, if not more.
Who, who, come again?
Who what?
For the Christmas Day game, Joe?
Yeah, yeah.
Probably about 2025.
Or by 2025?
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
me know my own mind coming out west now I come out with and I'm typing
nah no hey Ash can I have a life you do realize I got a life okay I know
contrary to what you think I ain't got no life and it seems really boring but I do
have a life outside of night kept in close shit okay I'm just saying you're gonna
tell about no you don't yes I do uh so Nick 76 is
Nick's Cavalier.
So who we want to see?
You know what?
I mean, I would love to see the next 76th's Trailblazers,
but I don't be wanting to go to Portland.
You don't want to go to Portland?
Hell, no.
But that's close for me.
I mean, the East Coast, to fly six, seven hours.
What about Minnesota, Philly and Minnesota?
That'll work.
That should be a hell of a game now.
Yeah, if I had a, what you call them?
What?
If I had a, if I was on the,
clutch payroll, that would be no problem, Joe.
I'd be able to give me some tickets to any game.
That should be a part of,
she'll be a part of the purse that I kid.
I show, so, hey, uh, what was that?
24, Joe, I bought season tickets.
I bought, well, me and the guy was split them.
So the 41 games, I got 23.
He took 18.
Um, cause me about,
about 350.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
3, 351.
$350 for 18 tickets.
And I ended up having to sell the tickets back to the guy come back.
I went to two games, Fooling with Ocho.
Well, y'all know.
Nightcap at the time and I got the tickets.
There was no nightcap.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I, why you say fooling with me?
I ain't had to do with that.
You did have something to do with that.
Could you, if you said, no, I wouldn't have had no partner for nightcap.
So.
Hey, you know, you know,
you know, the people buy them,
them, um,
floor seats Uncle Ocho as an investment.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
You know,
not everybody,
they don't come to all the games.
They just buy them
and they probably go to about
a few games after year.
But here, man,
you can probably open a night.
They want to go to Christmas.
Yeah.
And then all the rest of the tickets,
they sell to be able to buy the season tickets for next year.
Yep.
And then the playoff tickets,
who.
But you make, you make, you make,
you make, you make, you can make your money back real quick.
For sure. Yeah.
But we go into a game.
So just Pils some Liddoche.
Okay, shoot, let me, let me know.
Let me know ahead of time,
so I can start, you know, getting,
getting my ducks in the road now.
You ain't tell me, I gotta do the same thing.
You know.
Yes, sir.
You know, we, we're sitting on the old big bang Hank,
old big bang Hank over there,
you know he ain't worried about nothing.
Oh, pole hustler.
I'm just old slow pole hustler.
I'm just trying to make ends me.
I ain't, you know what I mean?
Hey, hey, you ain't telling me that I'm 30 cent away from a quota.
Well, hell, if that's a cable shit, I'm going to check to check, man.
Yeah, yeah.
The Brown's, Andrew, Brown, GM, Andrew Barry spoke to our very own D-Boy and Joe this morning
that made it clear to Sean Watson contract will have no advantage over to Dura Sanders.
Let's take a listen to what Andrew Barry had to say this morning.
And it's a lot of people.
I know if you heard, they said, you know what? They're paying Watson too much money to not starting.
How much pressure is on you to start Watson because of what you're paying?
It doesn't matter what they're paid when they're on the field.
What we want are wins and performance and production.
It's a performance-based, you know, decision.
The contract does not matter.
We're pleased with both guys.
You know, ultimately, it's a, it's performance and production.
That's going to drive the decision for Coach Mont.
From that last game, coach, how would you rate the performances, though, from the, from the quarterbacks?
I think we saw good things from both guys.
Obviously, look, it's preseason.
It's preseason.
You know, guys aren't going to be perfect.
You know, Deshaun, we were really pleased with how we operated the offense.
You know, he navigated the pocket well.
He was accurate.
When we had either miscues or a look that, you know, we weren't necessarily expecting down the field in coverage,
he did a really nice job.
You know, he didn't break off like a huge scramble, but he did a good job of turning a play
that really should have been a negative into a no game or a short game with his, you know, with his legs.
He's putting a lot of hard work over the past last year plus.
And then Shador, I think we continue to see major growth in Shador's game,
both in terms of his processing speed,
obviously don't like to see the turnover.
On the whole, a lot of good to take.
And then some good moments where we're going to be able to coach off of them
and then really improve as we go into the Buffalo week.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Oh, Joe, you believe what he said?
Um, come on, man.
I mean, what was a, listen, I respect Mr. Berry, huh?
You hear me?
I respect him.
I love him.
He has a very tough job to do.
But to sit there and say that what you're making does not have any significance,
whether you start or not when it comes to money,
come on, man.
I'm saying, Ocho, what else?
And Joe, in the history of this game has ever,
it's never happened where someone's making that kind of money
and someone else beats them out of their position.
It just, it just, it hasn't happened ever.
ever listen it's okay to you know when you ask this why like a politician you ask a politician
they answer the question without really answering it and if you know the game understand the game
you understand the menace when it comes to this game you know they lying yeah like come on man
you don't i understand it but he has to do that he has to come on and say that he can't tell the
truth but even a blind man can see how this business has always worked
when it comes to the person making the most of the money.
They've always been the starter.
If you play receiver, you're making the most of money.
Who's getting the most opportunities, Yonk?
You got to pay them, but they get paid the most.
Come on, man.
It's just hard for me to see a guy, Joe,
that's making that kind of money
that doesn't get the opportunity to start.
Now, I'm not saying he's going to start all 17 games,
but I just don't know how he's on your roster,
and he doesn't start day one.
I'm not saying he start day 50
I'm not saying he start day 30
day 45 day 85
all I'm saying it is just hard
when one guy is making 46 47 million
and the other guys making a million and a half
it's just hard for me to see you
yeah it's a
it's a tough situation but hell he can't come
he can't come on there and
and say that it does play a factor
you know I thought he you know he had to
answer the question politically correct
and the fact that
I think they definitely want to give Deshaun an opportunity.
You know what I mean?
You have to give him a chance, bro.
And like he said, they both show some great flashes,
obviously the turnovers, but for the most part,
it's still wide open.
And the fact that they're giving those guys a chance to compete for their job,
I mean, I think that's as a competitor as a player,
that's all I would ask for, bro.
But be honest with me.
Don't have me out here competing, Ocho,
knowing damn well,
I ain't got a chance to win the job.
Oh, bro.
But the thing is somebody saying in the chat
where they did it with Tom Brady,
Drew Bledso got hurt.
Yeah.
Now, the reason why
Drew got hurt,
Tom came in,
Coach Belichick felt
that Brady had was playing better
than Drew before Drew got hurt.
He had the hot hands.
So that's not,
but he did not start the opening week.
He did not.
Yeah.
So it's a totally different thing.
If Deshaun, if Deshaun playing,
hopefully doesn't get hurt, he gets benched.
But the question, but the thing was,
you said that Brady did it with Bledsoe.
That didn't happen.
Drew started the first five games.
Drew got hurt.
Tom came in.
Get the jets.
Coach Belichick felt that Tom was playing better than Drew
before Drew got hurt.
Yeah.
That's what Mike Shanahan told us.
Because, Ocho, you know the general rule of thumb,
you can't lose your job because of injury.
Mike Shanahan said that's bulljive.
He said if you get hurt, the guy comes in
and he's playing better than you
before you got hurt, that's his job.
Hello.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And think about this.
If you start your door to start,
I just think it's hard to sit Deshaun on the bench
making that type of money.
Y'all don't think they'll just try to get rid of them.
Maybe they'll eat their contract.
They probably won't be able to trade them.
But hell, if you do it, do one.
win the job, you can't have, you can't have Deshaun sitting over down, on a damn bench.
Yeah.
Same thing, Tony Romo, Dach Prescott.
Yeah.
You look at the way Dach, you look at the way Dach played in the regular season.
As a rookie.
Tony back was injured.
But they said, you know what?
The way this rookie playing, he's playing better than what Dach played last year.
Yeah, we got to stay with him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Tony been in the broadcast booth
ever since.
Yeah.
Dak and Zeke was a monster
they rookie year.
Yeah.
Them boy were cutting up.
Damn.
I get it.
It's so funny.
It's so funny.
Russell West,
there's a big difference
between 47 million
and a million five.
Big difference.
You know what's funny, too?
I like the fact that
Joe and Debo were able to get Mr. Barry
on the right.
But what I don't like,
like is how people eat it up, how people eat it up and don't see through the
political correct stuff.
They do, they see.
Because because they don't.
I think some people actually really believe.
I believe, they really believe.
Like you can't, you can't, you know what, I was, I was going to go into politics
and not, but I'm not going to go there because that's not.
In other words, you want to say, these people can't be that naive and believe.
Okay.
Right.
Right.
I'm not going to go there, but like, come on, come on, man.
Hmm.
Ah, I just.
I'm like, that was dope, though.
It's a close race.
It's not like either guy is that much ahead of the other, Joe.
It's not like Usain Boat and he racing the field from 2008, 2012,
when he was just, he was jogging and looking back side to side of people.
It ain't that.
It's close.
Or they were already named a starter.
Yeah.
You see what they did?
You see what they did in Minnesota?
Yeah.
They already named the starter, didn't it?
Yeah.
So if one guy, I believe, if one guy was so much better than the other,
they would have already named a starter.
The mere fact that they haven't named the starter
lets you know this thing is really, really close.
Hey, I do think they got a guy who they lean into it, though.
That could be the case, Joe.
I think they got a guy who they leaning to it.
And I don't think that they won't come out and say it.
But I do think they have a guy who they really want to lean to it.
But I did hear him say something very interesting.
He said, you know, didn't like the turnover from Shadour.
Yeah.
If I didn't know that, I could have swore Deshaun Fubber the ball.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Y'all did you hear that chat?
He made sure to know one guy turned them all over when both guys turned them all over.
Yeah.
That's one game, man.
You know.
See you say it's, Ocho, when you're an investigator or you're a psycho, when you're evaluating people,
you don't listen to what they say.
You listen to what they should have said.
Hmm.
He could have said, you know,
I thought we thought just trying to play well.
Obviously, we don't like to turn the ball over
the thing that we do with.
We'll stay on the field.
But he may note that you do it,
turn the ball over.
Yeah.
When he could have easily said both guys
turned the ball over.
I'm just, I just, you know,
sometimes I put my little psych hat on it.
Okay, I try to evaluate.
Okay, what did he say?
I like that.
What should he have said?
Yeah.
Why did he say that?
It's going to be easily just to say that.
It kind of got the same result.
Huh, interesting.
Look, there's no easy solution here.
There's not.
There's not.
Oh, it's easy.
It's easy.
You think so?
No, it's easy.
It's not complicating.
Everyone else is complicating it.
Everybody else is complicating the joke.
I told you from jump.
When we first had this discussion,
who job it is to lose.
Number fours.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I'm saying, no, I'm saying it's his job to lose.
But the mere fact that he hasn't been named,
it tells me that he's not running away with the competition.
Now, it might be a situation, no, Cho, that they, hey,
they already know they got their quarterback
and they just try to keep everybody to keep the natives from being restless.
Yeah.
You don't think the Browns organization is joined this,
the extra press, the extra media,
the constant conversations,
the eyes on them.
You don't think they're enjoying this?
They like this.
They don't want to name a start.
Well, they're getting talked about.
For what?
When is the last time that's happened?
I've never seen the Brown talked about
in this magnitude ever since 12 got there.
Somebody in the chat said,
the clip got cut short,
but he did mention that later,
later that both quarterbacks turned the ball over.
Okay.
But look, at the end of the day,
they're going to have to make a decision.
and somebody's going to be very unhappy with that decision.
Yep.
And when you make a decision,
anytime you make a decision,
somebody is upset with the decision that you made.
There's never been a decision where everybody is happy with a decision that's been made.
I defy you to find a time in history,
regardless of what the scale of the event was,
that everybody was happy with the decision that was made.
Because that's why you have to be careful when you take a stand against anything.
Because no matter what,
If I say, Ocho, I want to save the well.
They're going to say, what about the elephant?
What about the rhinoceros?
If I say, you know what?
I'm going to start a campaign and I want to rescue.
I want to save, I want dogs.
I don't want to put any dogs down.
Somebody going to find something.
Yeah.
I got cancer.
What about heart disease?
What about diabetes?
Joe, you can't.
make everybody happy.
You can't, bro.
You can't.
Man, I want to rescue children all across the world.
Man, you need to rescue these black people right here in America.
You keep on talking about, hey, you keep on talking about
save the wild officer and save the ninja.
Save the ninja.
That's what he needs saving.
We go in this state.
Oh, boy.
But that's the idea, so you got to just realize
that any time you say something,
somebody's going to be directly opposed to what you said.
And you got to be able to live with that.
You got to be able to stand on that
because everybody, I can say Tom Brady is great.
And they're going to say,
what about those great defenses that he had?
Yeah.
What about this?
What about that?
Well, Peyton Manning.
Man, look at all the games that he lost.
He lost his first five or six playoff game.
Everybody's going to be having what you say.
So you know what it is?
You just, you say what you feel.
You believe you.
You believe you correct.
And you just go with that.
Cause everybody ain't gonna be happy with you say.
You can't.
You can't make everybody happy.
It's gonna be a rebuttal.
If you're gonna make everybody happy,
one person I know that's gonna be very unhappy.
And that's yourself.
Yep.
So you had to bet any money,
any amount of money,
Ocho that meant something to you.
The guy that trots out there
with the first snap, opening day is who?
DeShan.
Joe.
And I bet anything.
Joe.
Ocho going with Deshaun because of the money that he's making.
I'm going, I need to see these last two games.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
I mean, because I think Shadur getting to start this game, too,
I think if he plays lights out,
and let's say Shon don't,
Deshaun don't have a great showing.
I think he can lean more towards Shadour.
I'm just going out,
Barry from what he was saying in this interview,
you know, there's no clear frontrunner.
So if Shadur takes that lead,
he plays great in this second season,
and he takes the, I think he'll be,
I think he'll be in the front runner
as far as who'll start, you know.
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I'm game one.
The Browns have rolled out a scale model of their new Huntington Bank field.
They're constructed in Brooks Park, Ohio.
Check out this rendering, guys.
Uh-oh.
Ooh.
Hold on, this is going to be a new arena.
That's the new state.
if they build it.
Man, come on y'all see what going on.
Stop playing.
Why are you on Ocho acting like that?
Y'all know what them folks trying to do, man.
Yeah, I know what they're trying to do.
It's going to be right now.
To see him win five games a year in that pretty stadium.
The hell.
And everybody want to put a dome.
Everybody want to put a dome on.
Man, don't nobody want to come out of the cold weather
has had a Super Bowl.
Everybody want to put a dome of Cho because not everybody
want to support.
Everybody want to have the damn draft at their facility.
at their facility.
Man, ain't nobody want to go in the damn cold
and be in no super bowl in no damn cold.
Minnesota was miserable.
New York was miserable.
Anybody that tell you that it wasn't,
they're lying.
Because it cold in February.
Do you know how cold it was in Minnesota?
You're a cold, boy.
I remember that.
Cold.
Look, get you like five or six.
Okay, rotate, you can rotate between Vegas,
LA, so five.
Miami, Atlanta, Houston, New Orleans, Houston,
Arizona.
Oh no, what, what about?
Arizona, Arizona, Arizona, too spaced out.
It is, because they got some
Arizona to space down.
Yeah.
You're right.
Scott Dale.
But the way, it's hot show at the end of the day,
you know the people, they've been working in the Northeast,
they won't nice weather.
They'll give a depth,
but the space down, they just want something nice.
They don't want to,
They don't want to put on no, they don't want to bring no overcoat me.
Right.
If I, if I had an order, if I had an order in which I would love Super Bowls to rotate, you know, by city,
New Orleans would be number one.
Why is that?
New Orleans, New Orleans, New Orleans.
Because everything is clueling.
They don't want everything, Joe.
Hey, everything is right there, Joe.
Everything is right there.
The city is awesome.
The people are awesome.
The food is awesome.
The jazz clubs.
I mean, everything is right there, Joe.
And it's perfect.
New Orleans is first.
Two, it's a tie with two between Houston and Atlanta.
Houston, Atlanta is a tie.
And then obviously my three,
Atlanta and Houston would be 2A and 2B,
and three would be Miami.
And what, hey, what, what?
I said L.A.
Hey.
Yeah, L.A., yeah.
That's why I have L.A. at four.
Hey, what about the small marketing is, though?
Damn.
Oh, no.
No, I didn't go to the soup.
Bro.
You do realize the Philly New England game was held in Minnesota, right?
Yeah.
I don't know if they remember that.
They talk about all the Super Bowl that, I guess,
the Washington was Washington beat Buffalo.
But there's a recent Super Bowl that was held in Minnesota at,
what's that, Bank of America Stadium?
What's the name of their stadium in Minnesota?
It was snowing in all that.
May that FAA was so damn cold, Joe?
Yeah, it was snow.
I'm talking about, bro.
Everybody knows it's cold in Minnesota.
There ain't no nothing.
Ain't nothing warm about Minnesota in February.
Hey, that Minnesota and that damn Chicago, what?
That's that bone chilling, that bone chilling cold.
I'm talking about I don't care what you got on.
It's coming through it.
Yeah.
Yeah, boy.
Mm-hmm.
I don't play this soldier field in December.
That thing ain't nothing.
That cold heavy.
It's a damn.
It's a damn.
It's like, that thing.
Man, that thing is like a wet.
cold.
I said, oh, no, this is.
Hey, it's different, boy.
Oh, yeah.
Ocho, what's the favorite state of the play in?
Yeah.
My favorite?
Oh, that's a good one.
Probably that Coliseum back in the day, man,
that black hole, boy.
Oh, you like playing?
Hold on.
Hold on, you like playing in L.A. or you like playing in Oakland?
Oakland.
Okay.
Yeah, that black hole.
I did it was crazy the fan was crazy I like that I like playing away hey Joe you like playing home better
it just depends uh I enjoy playing at home but like places I used to we used to go play uncle
Ocho throughout my career like Memphis Dallas that's close to Little Rock and that's when like
all my family will come bro so it hit a little different you know what I mean because because
outside of me playing in those cities a lot of cats who I went to high school college with
They live in Dallas.
They live in Memphis.
So when I came now, I always had at least over 20-something people coming to the games, bro.
Like people who I literally grew up with.
So, you know, I thought that was always cool.
I love, I love playing away, Joe.
I love playing away.
Listen, I love to have fun, obviously, for the home fans.
But boy, I love, you know, fans heckling and talking trash and making signs and
saying, Ocho, stink out.
Joe, that just drives me.
that I enjoy going back and forth with people in the stands, you know.
And the funny thing is, it's never malicious.
It was more than respecting.
Obviously, I'm playing for the opposing team.
Boy, I loved it.
Playing in Baltimore, love it.
No playing in Cleveland, loved it.
And it was always respecting.
As far as just atmosphere, it's like a stadium, like grass,
like Denver, Kansas City, Carolina, Arizona, Arizona.
I only played one time in Houston.
I only played one time of Arrowhead.
That went, matter of fact,
it was me and Pat Surtain going against each other.
Oh, was it?
Yeah, me and Pat.
He was in, uh, he was there at the time.
Hey, that's crazy, Joe.
Watching Pat, watching Pat Sertane Jr. now.
He played against his dad.
And playing against his dad.
Hey, was he was, I played against his dad.
The day, we played against him and T. Buck with it.
When he was in.
When he was in.
Sam Madison.
Yeah.
Oh, in Miami.
Yeah.
I played,
Hey,
was his dad just as good as him?
His dad was good.
Yeah.
Sam was good.
His dad wasn't technically sound like him,
but he was damn good.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah,
the dad was good.
That's where he get it from it.
That would have phone too far from the tree.
Oh,
no,
not,
not,
no.
Hey,
them boys.
Pat,
senior,
wasn't as big as two.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, he went through, Joe, he legit six three.
I'm talking about every bit of six three.
Yeah.
And he long, he's long, he's ranging.
Yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hey, hey.
I mean, when you look at it, when you watch him,
watch him get in the stance and look how long his arm
go below his knees.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And what, the technique is here, turn, here.
Here.
I mean, he got it like that.
Yeah, he flew flawless.
Like the old corner back when I first got the league
in like that late 80s and the early 90s,
yeah, them joke was all the way down like this here.
What's the one?
Hey, what's the one from the Raiders?
I got that that picture.
Yeah, Lester.
Yeah.
Leicester.
But them, them, them dolphins was hell,
but when they had Pat and Sam,
and T. Buck was there too.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, keep both of them.
And it had, what's the last?
Zach Thomas in the middle.
Jason Taylor.
Hey, they were, they were nice.
Oh, yeah.
Gardner, we beat hell out of them.
Which garden?
In the championship, in the playoff game, Ocho, we beat the brakes awful.
Yeah.
Because they were talking is.
We took TD out.
TD had, they took TD out in the third quarter.
TD had $25 for a buck 99.
Damn.
Yeah, it took about the third quarter.
Ain't that the man get 200?
Nah, we had to save him.
He averaged 142 a game in his postseason career.
Only one time he didn't have 100 yards rushing.
And then TD was serious, boy.
That's crazy.
Stop it.
I dare you to.
You couldn't stop it.
We don't made it put in our mind.
We can run the ball.
Tost.
hand off, toss week, handoff weak, handoff strong,
toss strong, you can't stop it.
Yeah.
Hey, that dolphin's defense was good.
How do you had that many yards?
Go back and look at the film and look at the holes
he's running through.
Boy, we blow him the juggles off the ball.
25 kick.
Yeah, Rock Mary, you're out there to his safety.
Hey, bro.
Rolled him up, Ocho.
Hey, Louis Oliver was on the team.
No, no, Lou, Lou, been gone.
He's been gone.
I'm tripping.
Hey, I read a slug on.
On a T-Buck, he had to grab it.
Oh, Joe.
I had, we do.
We're going to be six, huh?
Yeah, yeah, we go bite.
A, a buck was aggressive as hell,
but you pump him, he bite.
Hey, T-Buck, say, hey, you got more,
you got more slants and stop rouse
than you got nines in your playbook.
But I had, I had his ass too.
Boy, I, eh, huh?
Well, he was old.
Uh-uh.
I take that flag.
Yeah.
Because I would go, oh, boy, I'd go do something crazy.
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I don't know.
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