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Nightcap - Hour 2: Jayson Tatum underwent surgery on ruptured achilles & the NFL week 1 schedule is leaked!

May 14, 20250 comments♥ 0
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00:48 In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. According to the Celtics, Jason Tatum underwent successful surgery
01:37 to repair his ruptured Achilles tendon. No timetable is currently available for his return, but he is expected to make a full recovery. So he's going to probably be non-weight-bearing for what, two months? Probably have that little scooter? Yeah. Because the last thing you want to do, Ocho, is re-tear it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:57 But you don't want no pressure on that, huh? No. So you want it elevated and you got to move around? See what the time is, what's average. I think six to eight weeks is non-weight bearing. And, you know, I saw an article today where they're saying guys that have had that injury and the timetable that took, like Kevin Garnett is probably the most famous person to have that. He was off for two years, basically.
02:22 Had it at 30 and then he came back at 32 and Kevin Durant didn't miss a beat. Dominique had it late in his career. If I'm not mistaken, I think Jason Tatum might be the youngest player that's had it. Alfonso Ellis had it. There have been several guys that have...
02:37 And then everybody heals differently too. Yes. Even though he's much younger than the... Yeah, he's... Like I said, I meant to screen... I meant to take a... Because I was reading on the...
02:50 I think I was on ESPN or somebody. Maybe Google. I was Googling it. And I was Googling it. I could do that. Maybe I should have... Maybe I should have
03:04 screenshotted and send it to Ashley like put this on the board but it maybe it was I don't think he's playing next year nah you don't think so yeah that's well I mean Achilles and ACL is completely different year? Nah. You don't think so?
03:27 Yeah, that's, well, I mean, Achilles at ACL is completely different and he's terrible. I see you at the start of 26. Yeah. When I say start of 26, so he's not going to play, like, the basketball season starts in October, goes into 26, now 26 leading to 27,
03:44 that's when I'm coming back. Yeah. I'm going to make sure that thing. I'm going to make sure that thing. Because Kevin Durant looked like he ain't miss a beat. Because remember Kevin Durant, he missed a bubble. Right. And then he came back the following year.
03:56 Season, yeah. The question is, Ocho, given that, are they going to break it up, the Celtics? Because you got JB on a max contract. You got Derrick White. You got Holiday. And you got Al Horford. I mean, speaking of breaking it up, do they have the patience to wait until he comes back to see if they can make another run?
04:18 They just sold the team for $6.1 billion. Yeah. Now, does new ownership have the patience with understanding everything is probably lopsided? You're probably not making any money right now anyway. And just think, Ocho, just think about this now. Just imagine if you paid
04:36 $3 million for a car. But it's going to cost you $400,000 a year to upkeep it. Mm. Because that's what that's what happened. You paid $6 billion
04:49 for the team, but you still got to pay $300 million to Jason or JB, $300 million to JT. You got $130 million,
04:57 $140 million, $100. Well, also, you know what you also got to understand? What? If you can pay $6 billion or whatever it may have been for a team, and you have to pay Jason Tatum $300, you got to pay Jalen Brown $300, you already got fuck you money anyway.
05:14 But you notice what people that got money? They like to spend money on what they want to spend money on. Yeah. They like to buy a yacht or they'll buy a private plane. They're going to save on whatever they can save. And where they normally save? Employees. Yeah. That's
05:31 where they save on you. Hold on. I'm trying to think. We saw the print. That joker had a custom 747. That jumbo jet. Remember when he was out? Oh, the Saudi Prince? Uh-huh. that uh the print that joker had a custom 747 that jumbo jet remember we's out oh the saudi saudi prince huh now he's on the rope we to which one it was a lax it was a lax you haven't got one 747 yeah that's the biggest
06:04 that's the biggest that that's what uh uh the president air force one is a 747 yeah that's the biggest that's the biggest that's what the the president Air Force One is a 747 um holds somewhere between 480 and 650 people
06:12 can you imagine how big that is yeah and it's a different kind of money over there yeah yeah yeah I don't wanna yeah we took
06:20 yeah we took yeah we took oh yeah that was in LA what yeah yeah that was in L.A.? What? Yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah.
06:38 I just tell you, man, he was having an unbelievable. He's about to be named to his fourth consecutive NBA All team, all NBA. He was having a night last night and just like that. Fluke. Fluke. When he went down, you're like, and then I saw him spinning around and he grabbed
07:00 that. Yeah, grab the angle. I knew what it was. Yeah, I was hoping for the angle. I knew what it was. Yeah. I just, I, I was, I was hoping for the best. Because he had heard Ochoa Williams say,
07:11 Hey man, it's fine. Like you got, it feel like you got kicked. Yeah. Like man, who kicked me? Who tripped me?
07:18 Ah, just thinking about it. Man. So if you're the Celtics, cause next year, he's not playing next year. Yeah. So, if you're the Celtics, because next year, he's not playing next year. Yeah. Do you break it up?
07:33 That's a great question. Who's ahead of the snake now? JB? JB. Yeah. I think Jason Tatum is the guy that the boss is not
07:47 getting up off of question is would you trade JB and some draft picks let me see for who yeah that's it
08:02 that's it. That's it. I don't know what, I forgot. Yeah. You trade, you trade JB. I'm trying to think,
08:18 who could you? You think the Celtics be interested in Kevin Garnett? I mean, Kevin Durant? Kevin Durant? I mean, damn, that's a good one. Okay.
08:36 What do you think? I think some people will say, hell no, maybe based on age. Right. Maybe you can still get 20, 20, 25, 28 a night. I mean, hell, why not? They might say no, though. It'll be interesting to see what they do. I think maybe a conversation that they wasn't going to have had the Boston Celtics did what we thought they were capable of doing,
09:02 which was repeating. I think it's no question that you try to let them repeat. But all bets are off the table now, Ocho. All bets are off the table. Yeah. They, for whatever, they underachieved. I'm not so sure even if Jason Tatum had stayed healthy, they were going to beat the Knicks.
09:20 Because that would mean they would have to beat the Knicks three times. In a row. Yep. We'll never know, Ochoa. We'll never know. Stay tuned. Trey Hendrickson met with the media today
09:31 for 22 minutes. He said he will not play this season on a current contract. His arrival today at voluntary OTAs as a result of things becoming personal
09:39 after being informed by Zach Taylor on Monday, he would be fined for missing mandatory minicamp. Let's take a listen to what Trey told Marsha Kamaski of WCPO. At this point, do you want to be a Cincinnati Bengal? Wow, that's a tough question, too, because you try not to let the business become personal.
10:00 I think over the last week or so it's become personal, unfortunately. You know, and when there's a lack of communication in any relationship, if it's business or a personal relationship, lack of communication leads to animosity. And that leaves my narrative only to me with no clear direction. I'm a Floridian. So there's unprovoked shark attacks and there's provoked shark attacks. Ocho, the last two seasons with Trey Hendrickson off the field, 294 dropbacks. They were dead last in success, dead last in completion rate, dead last in passing rating, dead last in pressure rate. Bengals ranked dead last in every
10:46 statistical category, passing-wise, when Trey Hendricks is off the field. And 909 dropbacks when he's on the field. Eight in success rate, 11th in completion rate, 8th in passing rating, and 12th in pressure rate.
11:02 Let's just say he's very important. Yeah. Very, very important for that defense. But, you know, one thing I do hate, boy, is the business side of things, especially like this. They paid Joe. You paid T. Higgins.
11:16 You paid Jamar Chase. I'm not sure if there's enough money to go around to give him. Well, let him go. Wait, let me give him what he's worth. Give him what he's worth. To give him what he's worth. Let somebody else do it. Yeah, if they were going to let him go, I would have thought it would have been done...
11:32 Excuse me, I thought it would have been done maybe before the draft or maybe during the draft. I'm not sure what the issue is going on with that. I hope they rectify the situation. They ain't rectifying it. You played in that organization for a decade. You know they ain't rectifying it. Hey, I know. Butify the situation. They ain't rectifying it. You played in that organization for a decade. You know they ain't rectifying it.
11:47 I know, but listen. You been trying so hard. You're trying so hard to be political. I'm just saying, I want to see both sides happy. You know, let Trey get his money, get what he deserves. If you don't want to pay him, you know, what he deserves. Let him go. Yeah, let him go.
12:02 You know, that's all. No disrespect. No. And he says. You know, that's all. No disrespect. No. And he says, you know, you try to keep, and that's why me, I hired an agent
12:11 because I don't want to, because y'all going to tell me something that I don't want to hear and I'm going to be pissed. Hey, listen, one thing about it is a good thing you do have agents
12:19 and there's certain things that agents keep from you because if you was in those, in those rooms with your agents when it's time to negotiate. Yeah, man. this is how you really feel about me yeah oh that's how you okay bet well you'll be pissed off you would no yep but i i agree with you i think there might be a situation where trey henderson hold out for half the season and then come in to get accredited for that year
12:45 and bounce. Yeah. I don't know their cap situation. They still got to sign their rookies. And like you said, you gave Joe money a year ago. You just gave T. You just gave
13:01 Chase his paper. And the linebacker, remember, the linebacker say he want more bread yeah jermaine jermaine pratt pratt yeah yeah yeah he don't get no bread and we in shambles right now on the defensive side of the ball man and that's where y'all need the most help at yeah because i the question is do you believe you'd have to say you believe chase is going to have another triple crown year uh joe is going to lead the league with 43 40 plus touchdowns again higgins going to have the type of year yeah he's gonna joke in order for you to get back now what if your defense without trey henderson y'all pass rush is
13:40 yeah and i know y'all took a D lineman, but it's hard for me to see a scenario he gonna give you 17 and a half sacks like, what you call him, D? Right. I hope he does. For y'all's sake,
13:54 y'all gonna need it. Because you saw as well as your offense played last year, you lost some games, 41-38. You lost some games, 38-35.
14:03 Yeah, it was tough. It was tough, especially in the beginning of the season. Yeah. That offense got off to a slow start. We always start and we get ourselves in the hole at the beginning of the season. If we could just start fast, we wouldn't have to rely on teams at the end of the season and hoping they win certain games or lose certain games so we can get in the playoffs. Exactly. Exactly.
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18:12 And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. Ocho, somebody leaked the week one schedule. The season opens up. The Cowboys at the Eagles.
19:13 Okay, I like that. I know Fox ain't happy about this because normally, you don't normally put a game that's going to do box office regardless, which the Cowboys are going to do. Right. And then you got a Friday set. I'm trying to figure out how they get this game in September considering is that when they pass this regulation
19:30 that the NFL was not going to play any Friday game as long as the college season was in full swing. NFL said, F y'all. We playing NFL football. And then you got Cleveland at the Jets, Saints at Tennessee, Broncos at the Texans the Bucks at Carolina the Dolphins at the Steelers the Niners are at Indy the Vikings are at the Lions the Falcons at the Patriots the Giants at the Raiders Jags are at Cardinals. The Bears are at Washington.
20:08 Seattle are at the Rams. And then your Bills, Sunday night at Buffalo. And then the Monday night game, the Ravens are at Green Bay. Oh, that's a good game. Hold on, who the Bills play week one? They play y'all at home Sunday night. You know who's going to win that. You know who's going to win that.
20:33 Man, Josh Allen started his back-to-back MVP campaigns on y'all. Come again? Press play? Back-to-back MVP seasons. You don't want to put me in. How y'all going to sack him? How y'all going to stop Jamar and T? All they got to do is stop y'all one time.
20:53 We know y'all can't stop anybody. You know, we might surprise you defensively now. Okay, I hope so. Listen, we might surprise people. Y'all surprised me last year with how bad y'all were. So this year surprised me with how good you guys are going to be. I can't wait the football season, man. What game are you most excited to see? Is it the Cowboys-Eagles, Chiefs-Chargers,
21:21 Bengals-Buffalo, or the Ravens-Green Bay? Honestly, to be honest, I got three games I really want to see. I want to see the Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and the Bills. And you might laugh at me, but I want to see Travis Hunter versus the Cardinals. Okay, I can say that. I can get down with that. I want to see how they're going to use Travis week one in general. It's just to see and get a test and get a feel where he's at. That's what I want to see how they're going to use Travis week one in general. It is just to see and get a test and get a feel where he's at.
21:48 That's what I want to see. Okay. Yeah. I mean, everybody else, I mean, it's cool games, but, you know, those three, that's where it's at for me. Okay. I can rock with that. Fox got the late game, late window.
22:04 They got some 425 they got the Bears Washington Seattle Rams man that Giants Giants Raiders what
22:17 snooze fest you don't like it I'm gonna like it I I'm going to like it. I'm going to learn to love it, Ocho. I'm going to learn to love it. Listen, now, do you know what? Every year, every year, the teams that we think might not be any good, a couple of teams pops their head up and become very good.
22:38 Yeah. Joe Buck and Troy Eggman made their Super Bowl picks on Good Morning America this morning. Buck, I'm going to say Buffalo finally win it. Aikman, Cowboys. Troy can't let go, huh? Now, Troy's normally really objective about the Cowboys. Now, I will give him that. He's had a very harsh critique when it's been warranted.
23:06 So he's not a homer. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Who you got? No. Who you got, little pink this year?
23:18 I'm putting all the money I got on everybody but the Cowboys. ABC. EBC, rather. Everybody the Cowboys. ABC. EBC, rather. Everybody but Cowboys. Look, I need to see some preseason games. It's hard to just put pick blind.
23:35 Because, man, I'm not trying to pick blind. You know the preseasons. Keep playing, get nicked. Now I'm done. They don't even play in the preseason, man. Right, they might not. Yeah, they don't even play in the preseason. I need to see they might not. Yeah, they don't even play in the preseason. I need to see a game.
23:47 The odds ain't going to change that much after a game. Right. I might, if I ever had it, I might put 5,200 down on somebody. Huh? I might put 5,200 down. Shoot, you'll be able to do that. Mother's season don on start of September? Oh, well, by September,
24:09 that thing, that $5,200, it's already like $5,900 by September. That thing might be seven. Hey, boy, I might have to put a tariff on that tax you talking about. Uh-uh, they suspended the tariffs. They suspended the tariffs. They suspended them. Travis Kelsey told reporters that he's lost around 25 pounds this offseason to be in better shape for what is believed to be his final season.
24:36 Will Kelsey be able to turn back the clock this season, Ocho? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you definitely can, obviously, by losing weight. Losing weight is one of those ways to get your quickness back, get you a little more fleet-footed, you know, getting some of that heavy weight up on you so you can be a little bit more smoother and do some of the things you used to do when you was not younger,
24:57 but just a little bit lighter. Yeah. I agree. I definitely think it's going to help. I think having Rasheed Rice to help lift some coverage up off him we saw Xavier Worthy
25:08 blossom I think that's going to only be better but they need to be able to run the ball a little better too Ocho hey
25:15 you don't like Pacheco no he's been hurt but they got to run the ball they got to run the ball better they got to protect Mahomes better I mean
25:24 they got to do a lot of things better defensively i think they're gonna be good i think spags will have them back good again defensively but uh i like the fact that kelsey you know i tried to lose like a pound a year as i got older uh went into my final season um like at 226 right and it's to finish the season at 223 um yeah i just as you get older you just can't move that you can't move that weight like you once could yeah can't i couldn't maybe some people can but i couldn't yeah and you know i think he'll be fine too because it is not like he's in there blocking he's not a block yeah yeah. Yeah, that's not – but he still needs to be able to have that wiggle. He needs to be able to shake. But I think with Worthy being – Worthy having that rookie year that he had,
26:16 he had an outstanding Super Bowl even though it was a losing effort. He became the number one receiver to get Rasheed Rice back. They re-signed Hollywood Brown, so I think hopefully he can stay healthy. Because he missed half the season, Ocho, with that shoulder injury. So hopefully he stays healthy. That'll be something they can lift, you know. They got a nice little core. Yeah, I think Kelsey got another good year then.
26:41 MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred removed Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson, and other deceased players from the MLB permanently ineligible list. Manford ruled Major League Baseball punishment of banned individuals ends upon their death. They are now presumably eligible for the Hall of Fame in
27:00 Cooperstown. I mean, I'm not even here to smell my flowers if you do put me in there, man. I mean, what the hell? Yeah. No disrespect. I mean, I'm not even here to smell my flowers. If you do put me in there, man, I mean, what the hell? Yeah. No disrespect.
27:08 I think, I think, look, this is the greatest deterrent you can have. Yeah. Um, I know Pete Rose. I'm old enough to remember when Pete Rose played,
27:26 uh, remember he left the Big Red Machine? That great team with Tom Seaver and Morgan and Concepcion and Johnny Bench, one of the great catchers, and went to the Phillies and they won it. Read about Shoeless Joe Jackson,.356 batting average. Allegedly, he took $5,000 from a gambler to throw the game,
27:52 but he still hit.375 in the World Series, so I guess they expect him here to hit .500 because.375 in the World Series is pretty damn good. But, yeah. What do you think, Ocho? Somebody got older.
28:13 It's hard for a guy to have all those damn hits and he's not in the Braceball Hall of Fame. I understand. I understand. Also, I just, Pete Rose is passed on. Yeah. He's passed on. If at any point he was going to have an opportunity to get into the Hall of Fame, I mean, I would
28:32 love for it to be done where he could have been here to smell. He could enjoy it. He could enjoy it. So I guess Barry's going to be eligible for the Hall of Fame when he did. I don't understand. He got seven MVPs,
28:46 universal, one of, I mean, most modern players say he's the greatest player that they've ever seen. You go back and look at Chipper Jones,
28:54 Tom Blavin, John Smoltz, Greg Maddox, a lot of the current players, I mean, players that played say he's the greatest player they've ever seen.
29:05 And you hear paper tell stories, and it's true, because I watched it. He got one pitch here tonight, and he hit it hard somewhere. Yeah. He hit it hard somewhere. And he never tested
29:21 positive. It wasn't an issue when everybody was hooping and hollering, and the stadium was jam-packed. Mm-hmm. So. And it's crazy. But it's hard, I mean, to watch what he did is amazing. I don't think we'll ever,
29:40 it's kind of like, if you saw Tiger, you're never going to see it again. If you saw Barry, you're never going to see what he did again. And Shohei is unbelievable. I'm not taking anything away from Shohei Otani because Dave Roberts, who played with Barry, said Shohei is the closest thing to Barry. But you look at Barry's OPS and you look at his slugging percentage.
30:00 Yeah. And Walt, they will at least pitch to show hate they they walk barry with the bases loaded now you go on here third base you go you go home because i've been riding and i thought he's gonna be a grand slammer i give up one man listen barry barry's hand-eye coordination man being able to find being able to find that ball with that bat, man, was second to none. It is. Second to none. Ocho, the Green Bay Packers guard, Sean Ryan, came within two snaps shy of capping off his third NFL season with a $2 million bonus.
30:41 ESPN reported that Ryan was two snaps away from playing 35% of the Packers' play offensive snaps between 2022 and 2024. That mark is specified in the CBA, which would have earned him an additional bonus of $2,042,429. It was previously believed Ryan had hit the mark. Unofficial stats provided by Pro Football indicated that Ryan was 65 snaps short of reaching the bonus heading into the last had hit the mark. Unofficial stats provided by Pro Football indicated that Ryan was 65 snaps short
31:07 of reaching the bonus heading into the last game of the season. Ryan played exactly 65 snaps and a loss to the Bears. His agent said, we had him at 35% of the snaps exactly. However, the NFL and the NFLPA both had him just under. So per Packer, they're not giving him the escalator, and we're pretty disappointed about it for sure. Damn. NFLPA both had him just under. So per Packer, they're not giving him the escalator, and we're pretty disappointed about it for sure. Damn.
31:30 One thing about it, one thing about it, boy, they do not play with a cut of that money, boy. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, they stand you, boy, and I've heard you. Hey, I was five yards short, and they gave me my $100,000. They will play with you like that. They will play with you like that. Yeah. That is crazy. And obviously, I mean, the NFLPA has to do you like that. Yeah. That is crazy.
31:45 And obviously, I mean, the NFLPA has to do something about that. They got to do something about that. Because if he's played 65 snaps in the last game, I mean, he should be able to get that escalator or that incentive. There should be no reason why. I guess they miscounted. Well, I go back and watch every film and every snap every last one i need that that's why you have to be like see when you got stuff like that you don't really know about ocho and you coming out hey hey ryan such and such is up nah hell he ain't he must be gonna play left guard because I'm the right guard.
32:27 I'm playing all the way to the end. I'm taking victory formation. Hey, kneel down. That's a snap, Ocho. Hey, I'll call timeout. Hey, timeout. I need to get this kneel down. Hey, hell nah. Yeah, they give me about $100 for five yards.
32:43 So, you're right, Ocho. They don't play. I've heard many horror stories, man. Coaches, head coaches, people calling from upstairs, pull so-and-so out because if they hit a certain amount of yards, if they get a catch, if they get this amount of plays this game, we have to pay an incentive. And the team really don't want to pay it.
33:04 That's what I told you. And they will show you how dirty and grimy the business is by pulling you out so you can't get those incentives. I stopped putting incentives in my contract because I if you pay me X amount of dollars
33:19 I'm supposed to lead the team in receiving. I'm supposed to go to the Pro Bowl. I'm supposed to be all pro. So I don't want you jostling with that. So don't worry about it. Go ahead and give me my money up front. And then I'll do the rest from here. All right, Ocho, we're going to get out of here on this one. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time
33:35 for Q&A. Q&A. Tony S.G. said, it's hard being a Nuggets fan. What do the Nuggets need to do to give Joker more help? He got what he got now. Hey. He might have less help when he signed that three-year, $221 million contract. Do you think he'll sign it?
34:03 Hell yeah. Hold on. I mean, you think he will sign it yeah yeah hold on i mean you think he will sign it yeah why don't just pull a move like like jay like jaylen brunson did what take it so you can build around you because he's not young like jaylen brunson okay okay okay uh triple x cop sanity we can't say legas in five now we have to say paces in five the ball is shot caller 1999 hey uh you remember a u.s draft if you do which is the obvious it was really this draft of that draft that was the first year of the lottery uh prior to that you know teams tank the rockets gotets got the number one pick
34:45 two years in a row they got Ralph Sampson in 83 and they turned around and got Elijah Wan in 84 and then they put
34:52 they installed the lottery James Worthy was the first pick in the draft in 82 now mind you think about this James Worthy was the first pick
35:00 in the draft in 82 the Lakers won the championship and then they get James Worthy hmm uh the first pick in the draft in 82, the Lakers won the championship. And then they get James Worthy. Hmm. 81 was Mark Aguirre. 79 was Magic.
35:19 I don't know who the hell's 78. Was 78 Michael Thompson? I think 78 was Michael Thompson. Who the first pick in the draft at 80? 80 was Joe Bad Cow? Who's Joe Bad Cow? I thought so. I'm just bullshitting. I shouldn't even do that.
35:42 I hear you. You know it. Listen. I don't even want to do that, Ochoa. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I wasn't there back in them days. I was chilling.
35:52 I was on the par. Cooper Flagg is the perfect situation. He's coming in as a third option when Kyrie comes back and Jason Kidd can develop players. Yeah. I mean, people definitely believe this draft was rigged. They give up Luka
36:08 and they turn around and get Cooper Flag. Oh, so how convenient. Yes. Now they say, you know what? We're going to replace what you lost. Cooper Flag it is. Trash Talk Tito,
36:23 what's up, I don't know what your question. Is it harder is. Trash Talk Tito, what's up? I'm going to ask you a question. Is it harder to be a two-sports pro athlete or win back-to-back titles? I think there have been more back-to-back titles than two-sports. I can only think of
36:36 Bo and Dion. Dion? Well, I'm a two-sport athlete. What? Bo and Jive, and what other sports you play? I mean, obviously, I'm a two-sport athlete. What? Bull jiving and what other sports you play? I mean, obviously, I'm an NFL player. Okay. But did you do that simultaneous while you were playing in the NFL?
36:58 Yeah, I was a professional ping-pong player as well. Ugh. In the offseason. No. It's got to be in the season. Oh, nah. You got to leave one. So, were you on the circuit?
37:17 Almost. I missed it. I missed it three times. Yeah, I mean, Brian Jordan did too. Brian Jordan was a safety. He also played safety I missed it three times. Yeah, I mean, I can only look. Brian Jordan did too. Brian Jordan was a safety. He also played safety, and he ended up going to the Cardinals.
37:33 He gave up football to play baseball full-time. Bo and Deion, those are the only ones I can think about. Now, I know other players that were drafted. I think Dave Winfield was drafted in three sports, baseball, football, and basketball. Tony Guerin was drafted in two sports. Basketball and baseball. But to actually physically do it. And many people say baseball is the hardest sport to play.
37:52 Mm-hmm. Hey, who was the receiver from Notre Dame, huh? He was a receiver from Notre Dame, but he went to baseball instead. He was a pitcher. You remember him? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot his last name. Yeah, he went to the Cubs. He was a pitcher. You remember him? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot his last name. Yeah, he went to the Cubs.
38:08 He still playing? He might be done. That was a long time ago, Ocho. Okay, okay, okay. I can't think of the guy's name, Ocho. I don't know why I just thought of that when we talked about hoops. Smarja. Jeff Smarja. yeah yeah Smarja
38:26 yeah he was a nice he was a smooth little smooth receiver man yeah we ain't spelling that one Smarja yeah I mean hey he had a 97 mile an hour fastball
38:37 mhm he's like you know what I can be a possession receiver and make minimum or I go get this big payday from the major leagues oh yeah but he he played what he go get this big payday from the major leagues. Oh, yeah.
38:46 But he played what? He played like seven, eight years in the major? He got called up? Made a good little chunk of change. Oh, yeah. So he had to play. He played like seven, eight years then with a record like that. Because ain't nobody really pitching no 30 games no more like back in the day.
39:04 Really? Damn. Really? Damn. When? He played 13 seasons, 08 to 2020. Ooh. All cardio, no skill. Hey, Uncle Nocho, huge fan question. Would you rather have a long, consistent career or a short, legendary run?
39:20 How short the legendary run? If I'm going to have a career like Gale Sayles or Sterling Sharp TD? I mean, I mean. But hold on. Let's see. Lynn Sanity, would that be a legendary run? No. Okay.
39:38 Not one year. That's it? Hey, not one year, boy. He was on fire, boy. Yeah, he, boy. He was on fire, boy. Yeah, he was sensational. He was on fire. Along consistent. That's a good question.
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44:02 I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm going to take the consistency. I'm going to take the consistency. Yeah. Because that bread come with that, huh? Yeah.
44:37 Most definitely. Yeah, I think I'm going to go. I think I have a long, consistent career. I take the consistency. Best again, Uncle Nocho, love the show. If you could bring back one retired player for one season, who is it? What's the sport? Baseball, Barry Bonds.
44:58 Basketball, I'll bring back Jordan. Football, I'll bring back my brother he healthy I'm selfish who you bringing back baseball oh my goodness baseball give me give me I'm more
45:23 entertainment Manny being Manny Manny Ramirez yeah give me give me I'm on entertainment Manny being Manny Manny Ramirez yeah give me some entertainment I'm gonna go football matter of fact we bring up
45:34 I'm bringing bringing T.O. back T.O. yeah T.O. still wanna play so I'm gonna bring T.O. back so he can live that out
45:42 one more time he does who else who else um what other sport we got you got uh baseball you have met you have a basketball who you bring it back i want i want my beloved kobe kobe i want my beloved kobe back man um let me see what else we got um Hockey. Gretzky. Gretzky, yeah. Yeah, Gretzky's a good one.
46:09 Tennis. Tennis. I want Serena to come back. And beat Margaret Court's record. That's a good one. Yeah. I love Fed. The Swiss maestro.
46:23 But Serena. Serena. Serena. I like that. I like it. I like it. Okay, I heard who that said. Question. Would you rather win five?
46:38 Would you rather win one ring as a star or five as a role player? Five. Five. Okay. five five okay am I the sixth or seventh man or I'm 11 to 12 because if I'm Robert Ori I'm taking Robert Ori right what happened to you you just happened to be on the team
47:03 nah hell nah it's a lot it's a lot of you know just what happened to you just happened to be on the team? Nah, hell nah. It's a lot, it's a lot of, you know, just sometimes people are fortunate just to be in the right, right place at the right time. True.
47:15 True. Damn, he could have made it more compelling. He could have said two. Right. Or three. That man said one. Snacks at halftime.
47:28 Look at no joke. If you had to start, bench, cut, Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick. Come on, man. I'm starting Lamar. Ooh, damn. Man, come on. Man, who came up with that question. I'm starting Lamar.
47:51 Damn. Yeah, I'm going to pass on that one. You got to answer, Ocho. No, I don't. Yeah, you do. I'm starting all of them. Mm-mm, you can't. You can't start three quarterbacks.
48:07 That's if you the basketball, you have a good chance. You say, you know what? I'm gonna start three point guard. You can't start three quarterbacks. Man, I,
48:17 why did you should have did a fuck, marry, kill instead of the three quarterback one. That's the, that's the original. I don't, I don't original I gotta say I mean we gotta do this I think I would start Lamar I would bench Mike damn Cam
48:34 I'm sorry I'm sorry and I don't care if the only one that went to the Super Bowl Mike did but like I said I gotta't care if the only one that went to the Super Bowl miked it. But like I said, I got to bench Mike because the Michael Vick experience. He got, I can't get rid of it. I can't.
48:52 Can't. And L-Jack. Damn, I wish, a part of me wished when Lamar was a free agent and they franchised him, Atlanta would have got him. Can you imagine Lamar and Atlanta on that turf?
49:06 Man, listen, I'm still trying to figure out who was the idiot that said, what did the owner say? Was it the owner that said something crazy? Arthur Blank. Yeah. Somebody said something crazy about him being in Atlanta. I forgot what it was, man. Yeah, I know all that,
49:26 but who you starting, who you benching, who you cutting? Matter of fact, you know what? I'm going my old heads. I'm going my old heads. Since Cam has been to Super Bowl,
49:39 I'm starting Cam. Damn! Yeah, and I'm going to put Mike on the bench, and I'm holding this listen to me I'm putting
49:50 I'm cutting Lamar because Lamar still playing right now and this is just hypothetical so boom there it is I'm sticking with
49:57 the boys from my era alright good job Ocho six foot Aquarius said 86 Celtics win the title then they draft
50:07 Len Bias a big F yup cause Lenny was unbelievable hey in comparison to players in today's game
50:15 who would Len Bias be like oh my god he was six foot eight he could hammer the ball he could shoot it he could oh my god He was six foot eight. He could hammer the ball. He could shoot it. He could... Oh, my God.
50:30 He played above the rim. Oh, he was a jumper, too? Hell yeah. I'm trying to think who he remind you of. He was a bigger Ant-Man what? he played like that? he was special he was special
51:01 damn we got we got wrong He was special. Damn. Yeah, we got, we got, we got robbed of greatness. Yeah, you, yeah, you did. You did. Think about it. He's going to take some of that lifting off of Larry. So you had him, Larry, Mikael, Parrish, DJ. Lenny was special.
51:34 Josh Daniels said, how should a regular fan approach y'all in public for pictures, et cetera? Hey, man, how you doing? What's going on, man? Man, I love your show, man. I love you and Ocho together, man. Hey, man, how you doing? What's going on, man? Man, I love your show, man. I love you and Ocho together, man. Y'all be doing, hey, man, can I grab this picture? Hey, this is the way, don't do it. Hey, man, I got to get this picture. No. Hey, you like the show, you watch Unc andanocho, you love Nightcap, occasionally you catch a, I love, a Club Shay Shay.
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52:40 Congratulations, you've earned this. And guess what? Your parents don't have to pay for college, and you ain't got to get a job to pay for college. That's always the best. Do your best, bro. Congratulations. You've earned this. And guess what? Your parents don't have to pay for college. You ain't got to get a job to pay for college. That's always the best. Do your best, bro. Do your absolute best. That's all you could ask. That's all you can ask for yourself. Give it your absolute best. Yeah. Congratulations, man. And just remember one thing, no matter how hard you work, no matter what you do, you'll never be able to beat me running oh lord have mercy if our mercy said hey guys want to ask for a shout out from my wife ashley nunez
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