Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Kevin Durant on the trade block? + Lakers keep losing

Episode Date: March 16, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NBA stories of the week including NBA teams expecting to pursue Phoenix Suns star Kevin Durant this offseason the Los Angeles Lakers falling to the Brooklyn Nets, and more!04:20 - Cavs beat the Bucks 112-10021:25 - Mark Cuban on Luka trade23:48 - Which teams are pursuing Kevin Durant?28:36 - What makes Jalen Brunson similar to James Harden38:43 - Nets beat Lakers 111-108(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let's talk about the NBA leading Cleveland Cavaliers who won their 14th consecutive game on the road tonight. They beat the Milwaukee Bucks 112 to 100. The Cavs just became the second team to win 14 straight games while scoring at least 110 points in each of those games. The only time that's ever happened, 1986, the Boston Celtics won the title. Max Struess had 17 points to lead a ballot scoring attack. They had their five starters. We're in double figures. Excuse me. They got

38 points from their bench, nine of their 19 made threes from their bench, and they pull away late, and they defeat the Milwaukee Bucks 112-100. And it just goes to show you just how good this team is because we know Donovan Mitchell can go off.

We've seen him score 70. We've seen him have 50. But when you have a team, Evan Mobley, Jared Allen, Darius Garland, Struess, you got Ty Jerome, Hunter, Merrill. They really have a really deep team. This is going to be – look, I still believe it's going to come down to them and the Boston Celtics. The Boston Celtics, they beat the Lakers last night.

They look really good because you have a guy in Jason Tatum who's going to be first team All-NBA again this year. You have JB, Jalen Brown, who's going to be probably second or third team All-NBA this year. Al Horford played really good last night. You got guys that can make shots, Derek White. You got really good perimeter defenders and Holiday and Derek

White. And then you got a bench. Man, Peyton Pritchard is unbelievable off the bench. He should be in the running for sixth man of the year. But tonight was all about the Cavaliers. They moved to a record of 54 and 10. The Bucs dropped to 36 and 27.

The Cavs, Ocho, what do you like about the Cavs? I mean, listen, what they can do in their totality as a team. You just said it. I thought, obviously, when it's coming into the season, who would be the biggest threat for the Celtics coming off the NBA championship? To me, I thought it would be the Bucs. I thought it would be the Bucs and Damon

and Giannis and that combination of what they had, similar to how Luke and LeBron, I mean, Luke and LeBron teamed up, but before Luke even got there, I say, you know what? The biggest threat for the Celtics would be, would be the buff. But watching the way the Cavs play as a team, you know, obviously led by, by Garland and Donovan Mitchell, the supporting cast, the bench, everyone is scoring. Look how many,

look how many players were in double figures at night. When you have all five starters, when everybody's playing that complete, The supporting cast, the bench, everyone is scoring. Look how many players were in double figures tonight. Yeah, all five starters. Yeah, all five starters. When everybody's playing that complete and nobody is off, it makes it that much more difficult for them to be beat. And I wouldn't be surprised. Hell, a lot of people shouldn't be surprised. I mean, most people would call me a casual, you know.

Those that are actual NBA fans won't be surprised if they do unseat the celtics as nba champions this year yeah i think it's going i think it'll be a deep series it's going six or at least seven i thought the knicks would be there also because the addition of carl anthony towns i like that addition better with the knicks more so than i like that i like julius randall what's up time out the next song you really put them in that running? No, I said I thought coming into the season with the addition of Carl Anthony Towns with Jalen Brunson. Look at what they did last year. They're only a two headed monster, though.

And we talk about score, score that's able to actually score and put the ball on the floor and just score at will. It's only Jalen Brunson and Carl Anthony Towns. Let's see. But look, look at what they got. They Jalen Brunson and Carly DeFoe. Let's see. Look at what they got. They got Ananobi. They got Mikael Bridges. They got Josh Hart. Mitchell Robinson hurt him going out because now Cat's

spending a lot of time at the five and he likes playing at the four. So you'd have Mitchell Robinson and Cat. Sometimes you got Precious Achua. They got a deep team. They do. And I thought considering they're going to be healthy because you got a guy in Cat that can dominate.

Jalen Brunson, we know he can dominate. Bridges can give you quality points. They got great defense. Boji can defend. Josh Hart can defend. Mikael Bridges, he doesn't miss games. He can defend. Josh Hart can defend. Mikael Bridges, he doesn't miss games. He can defend.

So they had it all. I thought Cleveland would be there, but I didn't see 54-10. Now, did I think there would be a top three team? Absolutely. You probably thought Philly would be there also with Joel Embiid, Paul George, Tyrese Maxey. You probably thought those guys would be there. But injuries, maybe Miami. But Jimmy Butler,

he got nicked and he was unhappy and they moved him. Right now, looking at the East, it's a two-headed monster. It's the Cavaliers and the Celtics. It looks like the Cavs are going to have home court, but Boston have one of the better road records

in the NBA. So it's not going to be easy. Do I believe the Cavaliers can have this kind of balanced road records in the NBA. So it's not going to be easy. Do I believe the Cavaliers can have this kind of balance scoring and win? Nah. Somebody, one of those two guys, Garland or Mitchell, is going to probably need to be 25-30 and then everybody else chip in. But I don't think because with JB and JT teaming up for last night, they went for 70. And probably on average, they're going to go for anywhere between 50 and 60 on a given night.

You're going to probably need a little bit more from your big guns. But the Cavaliers look really good. And when you have a balanced team and your bench comes in, they give you 38 points on the road. They give you nine of the 19 threes that you made on the road. And they got great outside. Wade was three or three from the three-point line. Hunter did not shoot the ball particularly well last last night but he's in the running for six

man of the year uh ty jerome can shoot it merrill can shoot it uh they're gonna be a tough out ojo they're gonna be a tough out but the celtics man they deep they come in with that second unit and they a they pick right up uh it's kind of reminds you like what the calves that's excuse me what the warriors used to be. Remember, they bring their second unit in with Livingston and all those guys. And if it was like a three, four-point lead, by the time Klay and Steph and Draymond came back, it was a 10 or 11-point lead.

Or if they were behind, they came back, the game was tied. So I see a lot of this from the Cavaliers also. I like their bench. I like their depth. Their starters are really good. Evan Mobley is a defender who's gotten better offensively. You know what you're going to get from Jared Allen. You don't have to run plays for him, and he can rebound.

He can score the basketball. A lot of lobs. He's going to get a lot of his points off the glass, rebounding, rolling to the rim. But it's going to be led by that three-headed monster of Garland, Mitchell, and Mobley. And if they keep playing the way they're playing, I like them. I still believe it's going to come down to them

and the Celtics in the Eastern Conference Finals, but it's going to be a good matchup. That's probably what it's going to come down to. It ain't probably. That's probably what it's going to come down to as long as there are no injuries, which I doubt that's going to happen with not that much time, with not that much season left into the regular season.

So, listen, I'm excited. I mean, I'm excited. I'm excited for the Cavs, bro. I'm excited for the Cavs, especially what they've been through, especially once LeBron left and how far they've had to come to get to this point where they are now. Even without King James there, they legit have a shot.

What happened? It was a situation where Donald Mitchell wasn't happy and he has to be traded. That was the only way. You got to get a superstar. Yeah. If a superstar leaves, you have to replace him. Yeah, but that's

not the only answer. Not only do you have to have a superstar, but you have to replace him yeah but that's that's not only that's not the only answer not only do you have to have a superstar but you have to have that supporting cast hell yeah batman and you ain't gonna have no success unless you got your rock but here's what happened think about it they they uh uh lebron leaves and that means you lose and now you're drafting high you're getting a darius garland you're getting an evan mobley you're getting guys like that you make a trade for jared allen yeah now see now and all of a sudden like hey man i kind of like it over there donald mitchell said boom so now you got garland a draft pick you got evan mobley with a top five pick you got a jared allen who can rebound can defend the paint you don't have to to run plays for him, and he can get you a double-double.

And you got a bona fide superstar in Donovan Mitchell, who's an all-NBA, a perennial all-star. Now you got your team. Now let's build it out. Now let's get us some depth. We make the trade for DeAndre Hunter. We get, you know, we got Ty Jerome, and we got, you move

Struess into the starting line. Be good. I mean, sometimes you have to have a little luck. You have to have a little luck. You get lucky. You got draft compensation, Ocho, that you can ship some of the pieces out because you gave up Colin Sexton, who was a high draft pick. You give him up. You gave up a couple of draft picks, and you get Donovan Mitchell.

I like what you just said. The key word you just said there, obviously drafting right, but also luck as well, because you already had high draft picks. You had picks that came in that were high drafting that you had to let go. And you got others that were able to fill those spots and fill those voids. But the team they have now, and the players they've acquired, all play well collectively. And I think that's the hard thing to do, because you look at some of the top three, I call them the big three, some of the top three, I call them the big three,

some of the big three faces that we thought would be in the playoffs or playing well, a la Paul George, Maxie, Embiid and Maxie. Embiid, even just those three together, forget the injuries part,

they still don't, they still haven't lived up to what we thought they would be. Well, that's because Joel Embiid, I mean, started the season banged up. Paul George started the season banged up, and he hasn't been able to find his rhythm. Tyrese Maxey's playing extremely well. He's averaging 25, 26, 20, maybe even 27 points a game.

So he's doing what you thought he would do and what you would hope he would do. It was you missing Joel Embi b somewhere between 28 and 32 points you missing paul george somewhere between 19 and 22 points so you factor that in now you're getting 80 points now can we get the bitch to give us 35 i leave man so when in a situation like that i mean probably something we for sure uh foreseen considering Joel Embiid limped out of the season. He's going to limp in. And as soon as the season was over, two months later, he was on the Olympic team, the U.S. National Men's team. Didn't take the rest.

Didn't get what – he didn't get fixed probably what he needed to get fixed. So guess what? He limped into the season. And guess what he's doing now, Ocho? Limping out of the season. Yeah. Hey, I have a question. Yes. Be honest. Be honest. Even if you had the injury,

if you were Joel Embiid, with the opportunity to represent your country at the Olympics, knowing that it comes around every four years, what would you have done? My obligation is to the 76ers. 76ers got five years of $240 million on the table. How much you make?

I get it. And I get it because America, he's from Cameroon, and America has given him everything and more he could have asked for. Now, a lot of that has to do, like, he came here, this is the land of opportunity. Joel Embiid had a talent. God blessed him. He hit the genetic lottery.

He's seven foot tall. He's extremely skilled. And boom, he parlayed that but oh joe yes sir your obligation philly yeah it made you gave you generational wealth not to the united states national men's team not the and the gold medal don't get me wrong you're representing your country right but bro you were injured you lived out of the season right shut it down healthy right and then say you know what hey 28 boom your boy here no i know absolutely not i i need i for me oh the most important thing that's why a lot of times man when i was in a contract year but i ain't

trying to go to no pro bowl i ain't trying to get up out there ojo not doing that's right yeah man please right right right and like i said i get look uh maybe it was the swan song wanted to get opportunity because lebron is not going to be there in 28 step probably not going to be there in 28 katie say look if I'm still hooping to the level and I'm able, hey, I'd like to play 20 and I'd like to go for five gold medals. He asked the most, he asked four. But KD says, hey, yeah, I would like to go.

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At the end of the day, he did what he wanted to do. He did what was in the best interest of them. And look, they was looking at France and Wemby and Diabasule and you got Giannis and you got Yolk. So you knew probably you're gonna run in you're gonna run into those guys and you needed somebody to deal with yoke you needed somebody to be able to you know to handle the bigs and for other countries even though it would i get all that i honestly do

i really do i don't want people to think i'm not empathetic and understanding, but a team invested five years at 240 million. They just gave him a three-year, Ocho, they gave him a three-year extension for $193 million. Yeah. I understand. But, you know, honestly, if you ask people,

especially that would be in his position, what they would do, if you ask 100 people, especially that would be in his position, what they would do. If you ask 100 people, you get 100 different answers. That's why I was curious to what you would say. And I'm curious to the chat. I mean, obviously putting yourself in his shoes and his situation with the opportunity to represent, you know, obviously the USA. It's just everybody's answer would be different. But I understand, you know, where you're coming from.

You know what I think it is, Ocho? It's my mentality that I play football and my money isn't guaranteed. See, he did that because he knows his money is guaranteed. So it doesn't matter. It changes everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of like a salaried worker. They take PTO. Well, if you're not a salaried worker and you only get paid if you show your black ass up to work, that changes things. Trust me. I had manual jobs that I only got show your black ass up to work. That changes things. Trust me. I had manual jobs that I only got paid if I showed up to work. It's a whole different ballgame if you salaried.

You know what I'm saying? When you salary, you know, in a situation where you salary, hell, I take CTO choice time off. I'm choosing not to come in today because I'm going to get my check. Well, when you work in manual jobs or you work in an hourly job, NBA, that's guaranteed money. MLB, that's guaranteed money. NHL, that's guaranteed money.

NFL, that's not guaranteed money. So maybe that's what's clouding my judgment, Ocho. Now, don't get me wrong. I think a gold medal is very important. I mean, hey, representing your country and for maybe an event, maybe a week, maybe two weeks, we're one.

It's us against them. I don't care if it's a European country. I don't care if it's an African country. It doesn't matter. We're USA. We're the Stars and Stripes. We're the red, white, and blue. And we're against everybody else.

Yeah. Okay. But like I said, I think it's my, you know, being in the NFL, like, man, I ain't feeling the best about my buddy. Right, right. Mark Cuban breaks his silence on the Luka trade. Let's take a listen to his comments on the Luka trade Ojo was your son upset about the trade yeah I mean were you

yeah of course yeah yeah of course um and I've said this before um if you you know if the Mavs are going to trade Luka that's one thing just get a better deal you know no disrespect to Anthony Davis but you know get three if I still firmly believe if we had gotten four unprotected number ones and Anthony Davis and Max Christie, this would be a different conversation.

I agree. Get more. Yeah, I agree. But what more can you do? What more can you do Ocho Ocho think about this the Timberwolves gave up four unprotected picks and pick swaps for Rudy Gobert would you rather have Rudy Gobert or Luka Doncic you're right

in comparison to that I feel like they just wanted to get him gone. That's why I don't understand. Based on what you get on the court, how was whatever was going on off the court, that got them that bad?

That bad? Beer, hookah, lazy, the way you interact, antisocial. What are we talking about here? You paid me to do one thing. Be productive. You took me to the NBA championship last year. Western Conference Finals last year. What are we talking about?

Yeah. Man, please. Right? Right, baby? Say right. Say what? I know what you call it, but look. i think do i think uh mark cuban's never making that trade oh absolutely not mark mark cuban is never ever making that trade he's made it abundantly clear uh he had he had his replacement for dirt he had dirt 20 seasons he was gonna have luca as long as he could have it. He wasn't getting rid of him. And that's

what happens, Ocho, when you sell your company and you keep the minority shares, where they do things, they don't need your input now. Would you trade Luka, baby? Yeah. You say, yeah, I got to get him up out of there.

The Lakers, Mavericks, Spurs, and Heat are expected to pursue Kevin Durant in the offseason. Ocho, where do you want to see Kevin Durant land? Wait, say those teams again. Lakers, Mavericks, Spurs, Heat. You know what? KD is on, I don't want to say backing up his career because he Did that mean you were

in the field? Oh, Joe. I'm not sure. Can you hear me? Yeah, you faded in and out. Yeah. Yeah, man. I think me personally.

It's Wi-Fi and DR. Yeah. If you look at Ocho, the heat, I don't think Kevin Durant had a chance to go to the Heat many years ago. He didn't go. Hearing the stories about taking cookies from LeBron, hearing stories about how he treated Jimmy, Kevin Durant don't strike me as a guy that wanted to be in that situation. So now the Spurs.

Nah. I think it's a two-horse race. I think it's the Mavs and the Lakers. And the question is, what does the Mavs have to give up? They got that first-round pick. They probably got their own first-round pick. I'm trying to think about the other players.

Obviously, you pair Kyrie, AD, and KD. You got the potential to have something special. You got all three guys that can score. You got AD can protect the back end. You probably need another

perimeter defender because that's the problem that the Suns have. That's the problem that Brooklyn had. They had guys that can score, but who could stop somebody from scoring? Phoenix, they got guys that can score. Who can stop somebody from scoring? So you don't like

him to the Lakers then? I like him to the Lakers. I just don't know if the Lakers have enough assets, enough to satisfy the Suns, considering what the Suns gave up to get him. They gave up their young nucleus

to get him so now they're going to want those four first round unprotected pigs back I don't know I don't know uh Jordan

uh I just don't I don't see the heat because like I said he had an opportunity to go to the heat long time ago and he didn't go and I'm sure the stories that's coming out about Pat that's what Pat did you don't understand bro people not going to let you just

and first of all, they weren't your damn cookies. But I wish I wish Coach Jim take something from me that I brought and tell my why please?

I'm gone. Don't first of all, I don't know how they do it at most people's jobs, but you know how we do. Boy, you don't play with nobody, fool. No. Not nobody that look like us. Never that.

Boy, I don't know where your hands been. And you ain't buy a damn thing in that bag. What? You know what? Take somebody. You know what? When it comes to black folk, there's three things you don't play with.

Black folk family, money and their kids. Money and their food. Actually, their food. I meant to say their food. Oh, yeah. I don't play by that, don't you? No. Don't do that. Nah, man. Don't do that.

But like I said, I think it's the Lakers and the Mavericks, but at the end of the day, obviously, he wants to go to a contender.ender obviously the Lakers with Luka and LeBron are contenders, the Mavs if they get AD comes back healthy Kyrie, Kyrie probably not going to come back to the beginning of the year 26

but we'll see how that goes Spurs you got Wimby you got D. Fox,urs, you got Wimby. You got D. Fox, Darren Fox. You got Stephon Castle. You got Vassell. You got Kelton Johnson.

I mean, you got a nice little core over there, but I don't see Kevin Durant. I don't see KD in. I don't see him in San Antonio, Ocho. I don't. So with that being said, Mavericks, I like the Mavericks. I like the Lakers but hey

at the end of the day Suns got to get the best package they can they ain't finna do no lucre but the Lakers the Lakers played extremely well they played they got off to a great start

then they had that little in the second they had a little little in third they got it close Brunson had it going and the thing is what makes him

he got that herky-jerky style and he's left-handed. And he's crafted that James Harden, how to make you follow him, make it look like you follow him, even if you didn't follow him. Because he'll flail his body, but he's tremendous at getting to the basket. And he got that handsy, he got the step back. And so you got to honor that because you can shoot the three. He got the mid-range.

He can put the ball on the floor and get all the way to the rim. Even though he doesn't play above the rim, he can get to the rim. And he can get you to foul him. So he played really well. Cat struggled today. Cat did not have a good game. He rebounded the ball. But he didn't score well.

OG took up a lot of the slack for him. OG Ananobi had a really good game, especially shooting the three. Now, he missed some late that he wished he had had, like could have saved some of those that he made earlier and saved these for later. But it doesn't really work like that. But I think you really have to be impressed with the Lakers. Who saw this?

Nobody saw this trade. It's the biggest trade in NBA history. No player, Luka Doncic's age, have ever been traded that didn't want to be traded. Kareem wanted to leave. Shaq left on his own volition. You don't trade 25-year-olds, five-time All-NBA selections, a team that he just led his team to the finals.

He was in the Western Conference Finals just two years prior to that. Those guys don't get moved without them wanting to get moved. That would have been the equivalent. You're trading a Bird. You're trading a Magic. You're trading a Michael Jordan because that's what Luka is. He doesn't have the championship like a Bird and Magic had.

Jordan didn't win until later in his career. I think year seven of what he won. 91, so he came in at 85. 70 year, 70 year, eight. Bird and Magic got started right away. Magic won his rookie year Bird won his second year but you're talking about a guy that was a 5 time all NBA selection a rookie of the year

finished a couple times in the top 3 in MVP votes and that guy got moved yeah that's a story if Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow got moved you don't think we gonna talk about that old Joe Lamrow got moved, you don't think we're going to talk about that old Joe? Lamar Jackson gets moved. You don't think we're going to talk about that old Joe? Now you can get a better understanding and better context

for those that are Dallas fans on why they're so upset. On why they're so pissed off at Nico Harris. Not only that, the trade happened. And those that you have in place, you trade for AD. You still got Kyrie Irving. Kyrie Irving is still a box office. So you're hoping, you know, AD can come in and kind of offset and counter, you know, the trade by being productive and doing some of the things that Luka was doing. Obviously, maybe not to that extent because they're completely two different type of players in general.

But he gets hurt. Yes. Now Kyrie goes out. Well, hell, now everything's really basically down the drain. So now you've done the trade and you see what Luke is doing. How do you think he's feeling? How do you think they're feeling over there?

Oh, that's terrible. Remember we said it couldn't get any worse? Remember we talked about that the other night? That was before Kyrie. We know the extent of Kyrie. We saw him go out and we like, well, damn, they make this trade. Everybody's upset.

The guy that they trade for him, he's playing great. In 27, 28 minutes, he's got 26 and 13. So he's playing unbelievable. He gets hurt. The guy that's supposed to keep them afloat

until AD returns, he gets hurt and is more serious than they previously thought because now he's gone for the season and he might not be back until after the new year in 26. So now you're looking at

and the Dallas fans are looking like, hold on, wait a minute. You traded for a guy, last year was really the only year that he's really, I mean, this year is really the only year that he's been hurt, Ocho. Y'all make it seem like the man been on Zion Williams' schedule.

He has not been on Zion Williamson's schedule. He hasn't missed 200 games. He hasn't missed 300 games. Yes, he's missed games this year. But I mean, just imagine Michael Jordan broke his foot in year two and the Bulls were like, you know what? We're going to

trade you. That's exactly what the Mavs fans are saying. What you're saying, that's exactly what they're thinking. That's crazy, though. That's crazy. I mean, just when you think about it. When you think about it. Oh, beer and hookah.

Oh, we feel you're lazy. Yeah, they call the man hookah donchage. Hookah Luca. Are you seeing what I'm seeing tonight? Are you saw what I saw? This buzz for you. Yeah, he's up. Bro.

What are we talking about? He can score at all three levels. Oh, Joe, you watched him tonight. He can score at all three levels. The difficult shots look routine. I mean, he is as bad a shot-taker, maker as we have. There are very few guys that can take, like, off-balance shots, falling out of bounds, off one leg.

And you're like, for most players, that's a bad shot. There's no bad shot for Luka. There's no bad shot for Luka. There's no bad shot for Steph because they make those shots look routine. And now he has somebody that he doesn't always have to facilitate because he can hand the ball off to LeBron and LeBron can run the offense and go get his shot.

Or if both of those guys get tired, they can pass the ball off to Austin Reeves. He can go facilitate, get everybody else involved, create his own shot. So they have three guys, and they're playing really good defense. They're doing a great job of swarming. They got really good perimeter players in Vanderbilt and Dorian Finney-Smith. Gabe Benson is a good on-ball defender. He's a little undersized, but he's scrappy.

But they got guys in Dalton Connect knocking down shots. He's coming back. He's like, hey hey it is what it is yeah they wanted to move on i felt some type of way but now i'm back let me go ahead and make the most and let them know i can be a valuable piece to this train and what we're trying to accomplish so give jj reddick a ton of crack because i know a lot of people i i was i was one of those people like damn i know you can talk the game, but can you coach it? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you play. I mean, you never know what coaches either. Even though you're playing the game, doesn't mean you can coach it. Even though you can talk it, doesn't mean you can coach it. You know, being able to get the players to obviously resonate with you and buy in is completely different than the latter. And he's done well.

And matter of fact, if they were losing this, fact, if they were losing, if things were shaky, what's the first thing you think they're going to say? They're going to blame him. Blame him. What's Coach's name from UConn that didn't want to come? Hi, UConn. Yeah, it was UConn. Mr. Hurley.

Yeah, UConn. Yeah. Hurley. Dan Hurley. Dan Hurley. He's giving us a shot or giving us a chance. I don't even think he actually wanted to come. I think he was just using that for leverage just to get him a contract. I think UConn. But anyway, listen, Lakers playing really well, man. I'm excited for them.

They still need a big ump. They still need a big. If you want to be. Man, y'all. they still need a big. If you want to be... If Jenny Buss and Mr. Plink are really serious about being in contention, especially going into next year, they got to give them a big. It's no different than Jerry

getting a number two receiver. If you're really serious, get your number two receiver, man. Stop playing. Yeah. And Chad, y'all need to stop tripping. Because if coaching didn't matter, why didn't Shaq and Kobe win before Phil Jackson?

If coaching doesn't matter, if coaching doesn't matter, what about Steph and Clay and Draymond? Darvin Hamm had AD and LeBron. Frank Vogel won with him. He didn't win no championship. So I'm trying to figure. I mean, coaching, you know, it doesn't matter.

Look, I can understand you might not like somebody. And maybe you think Darvin Ham got a fair trade, but I mean, a fair, a raw deal. But if y'all don't think coaching matter, you're high. It absolutely matters. That's why they have coaches. If it didn't matter, they just send the team out there. Hey, you can save yourself somewhere between $5 and $20 million. If you don't need a coach.

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Listen to Ali and me now on Audible. The number two seeded Lakers without LeBron James lose to the 21 and 42 Nets. LA drops to 40 and 23 are now the third seed in the West. This is especially costly loss considering their upcoming schedule is three back-to-backs in eight days. They're a half game behind the Denver Nuggets for two and a half game ahead of Memphis for four. L.A. is in Milwaukee on Thursday. J.J. said there's a low-level communication game for the Lakers.

He said that being shorthanded isn't an excuse. We just wanted to take shortcuts, just shortcuts. You want to be a good team in the NBA? You want to win? You have to do the hard stuff. I agree, J.J. When J.J. says you have to do the hard stuff, what exactly is the hard stuff. I agree, JJ. When JJ says you have to do the hard stuff, what exactly is the hard

stuff he's speaking of? Because with LeBron being out... Everything. You've got to rebound. You've got to box out. You've got to get loose balls. You've got to make the extra pass. You can't take a shortcut like, oh, this seems to be easy. Turning the ball, careless turnover. Okay, I understand. I understand

that. But they've been playing well all season long. And, well, obviously, when Luka got there, all of a sudden, LeBron is out. Now everything is magnified, and they're taking shortcuts. Well, they weren't just taking shortcuts two nights ago or three nights ago or four nights ago before when they was winning. Yeah.

Look, Luka did not shoot the ball well again. of 26 3 of 10 5 turnovers austin reeves didn't shoot the ball well 3 of 14 alex lynn he got great cardio in 13 minutes zero points he was just saying he would do a he was just getting his cardio in so you know guys normally after the game they didn't play a lot they normally get on the bike to get their leg, get some cardio in. Alex Lynn got his in. He just happened to play 13 minutes and didn't give you nothing. Now, see what you just said right there?

You rattled off four players, right? That didn't play well, didn't shoot well, but JJ said it's about cutting corners and hard work. How about you just, I mean, it's clear as day what really happened. It's clear as day, but I'm assuming as as day but i'm assuming as a coach you really can't say that you can't be honored sometimes ocho sometimes even when you're not playing well you can overcome not playing well by playing hard that's what he's saying that's that's that's a good one i like that i like that

but i don't think without them having lebron and Luka playing is not, okay, not playing up the par. Even if you did play hard and didn't take any shortcuts, you wasn't winning that game tonight. Because it's not enough. It's not enough people to have production. They had a 12-point lead, don't you? And what happened to the 12-point lead, huh? What happened was you kept filing. You kept putting

the ass on the free throw line. They shot 30 free throws. You shot 19. You put you on the road and you let a team out shoot you by 11, you're probably going to lose.

I mean, they shot, I mean, the Lakers, I mean, they shot better from the floor. They shot better from the three. They shot better from the free throw line. It was close to rebound. I mean, no, they gave up mean, they shot better from the floor. They shot better from the three. They shot better from the free throw line. It was close to rebound.

I mean, no, they gave up 16 offensive rebounds, Ocho. You see? That's the hard stuff. Box out. You think the ball just going to bounce to you? No. This was a game that they really needed to win, Ocho. Because think about it.

They got Milwaukee. They still got the Nuggets. They got the Nuggets twice. And you're going to face these teams without LeBron. So you say they dropped third. They went from second to third in the East. And third. They're third.

They're half game back of second. They're half game in front of Memphis for fourth. Yeah. And you're going to be without LeBron. You basically, so I'm going to err on the side of caution. They say he's going to be out a week. I'm going to keep him out two weeks because I don't want him to re-injure it. We're about five weeks away from postseason.

The last thing I want is LeBron living into the postseason because I know we got no chance. But you just got to do all the, you got to do the small stuff right, especially when you down one of your best players. I mean, I, like I said, I said this at the time of the signing.

I don't know why you signed Alex Lynn. Y'all should have, y'all should have said, Hey, Sacramento, we're going to keep chipping a couple of dollars. Cause we don't want him to come here. That's messed up.

Which, when has anybody said, you know what? Alex Lynn might be the missing piece. want him to come here. That's messed up, man. When has anybody said, you know what? Alex Lynn might be the missing piece. He might be a good role player. He might be a good backup. I mean, he's in the NBA for a reason, man. He's in the NBA. You say

it all the time. He tall. Sometimes, listen, sometimes that's all it takes. Now, if we can get him to play. Play what? The saxophone, the drums, the guitar? The piano?

Come on now. You're just out there wasting the roster spot. Yeah. Look like Tarzan. Play like Jane. No disrespect to young Bull. I'm just saying, Gabe Vinson gave it to you tonight. He's starting to shoot the ball really well. 8 or 12 from the floor, 6 or 9 from the three,

2 or 2 from the free throw line. He led the Lakers in scoring with 24. Luka played 41 minutes. He scored 22, but he took 26 shots. Now, you could never have fewer points than shot attempts. That's not good. Austin Reeves only had three more points than he had shot attempts. That's not good.

Don Connect had one more point than shot attempts. That's not good. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. And I say this again, in all sincerity, it's hard for me to see a scenario that Alex Lent is better than Dwight Howard, even at the age of 38 or 39.

I just don't see it. You know, they're not bringing anyone older. The game, the game, the game itself is a young man's game. So even though Dwight Howard is big that I'm sure they could use, they'd just rather not do it. And I think there might have been some rift, if I'm not mistaken, seeing it earlier with Dwight Howard had exchange of words with somebody

when he was on the Lakers, which is why he's not there now. He ain't had no exchange of no words. I ain't got to exchange of words. You want to go farther than the first round of the playoffs? That's the word. Not the word, but words.

Farther than the first round round if the lakers really knew what they needed you know what you know who they really could have bought in what do you mean what man you holding the ball like you're a 1950s basketball player man put that ball down for you don't worry about how i'm holding this ball it's about holding the ball like you a 1950s basketball player. Man, put that ball down before you hurt yourself. Hey, don't worry about how I'm holding this ball. It's about where the ball going to go once I get to the hoop. Listen, I can – Nowhere. One thing about it.

It ain't going to the basket. Listen, when I was in high school, I averaged a triple-double, man. That's what we not going to do. A triple-single? A triple-double. A triple-double. What you talking about, man? They say you had they say you had

quadruple double 6'8 class 6'8 Miami Beach senior high I averaged 42 points a night you talk about man I used to be out there man like a quadruple single

I was like a mixture of Jamal Murray 4 points 4 rebounds 2 assists 6 fouls I was a mixture of Jamal Murray and Kyrie Irving

that's what my package looked like yeah I got a yeah I got a I got a mixture of Jamal Murray and Kyrie Irving. That's what my package looked like. Yeah, I got a package now. Ask about me. Ask about me. A mix of X-Lax and Phenomenon. You was a bitch.

I'm telling you, I was built different, man. You would have thought I was born in New York. The kind of handles I had. Yeah, that's what you have to tell me. Boy, you sure you from Miami? you from Miami I said yeah but you play at one of them boys off of Rucker Park I say nah like I just I just no ain't nobody say that Ocho you did not play basketball in high school I played soccer I'm saying I'm talking about that ain't basketball listen to me my focal point was soccer but I'm just saying that's how good I was and athletic I was where I could translate. I used to skip class

and go to people's PE class and play basketball. Oh, Joe. You can't play basketball. Listen, man. There's one thing about me. I lied for you before I lied to you. You hear me? You're just lying.

I mean, you ain't really talking to nobody in particular. You just lying. I take pride in my craft. What, mac and cheese? That's the only craft I do. That's the only craft I do anything about that you would know about. All that other stuff you talk about, I don I know anything about that you would know about all that other stuff you talk about what you talking about the volume

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