Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Lakers Blame Game Begins + Ryan Garcia loses to Rolly Romero

Episode Date: May 3, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson and NBA Legend Robert Horry react to Los Angeles Lakers head coach JJ Redick criticizing the team's conditioning after their NBA Playoff elimination, LeBron Ja...mes and Luka Doncic's contract situation, Ryan Garcia being upset by Rolando "Rolly" Romero in a welterweight face off, and much more!01:47 - Lakers injuries released after being bounced from playoffs09:50 - JJ says Lakers gotta get in championship shape27:48 - Lakers could offer Luka extension30:46 - Lebron says its not his job to worry about Luka’s future w/Lakers32:27 - Ppl close to LeBron dont rule out him closing his career elsewhere38:30 - SGA on Clippers trade45:18 - Ryan Garcia Upset47:30 - Q and Ayyyyee(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:48 In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. After the Lakers were bounced in five by the Wolves,
Starting point is 00:02:37 injury news has been creeping out. First, an MRI revealed that LeBron James suffered a grade 2 MCL sprain in his left knee in the fourth quarter of game five. The injury entails a three to five week recommended recovery timeline. Then it was reported that Austin Reeves was dealing with a left big toe sprain during the playoffs, was considered a two to four week injury, but he gutted it out. Reeves was reportedly not walking on it on days off to try to get through the playoffs. You know, the Internet is reacting because it seems like every time LeBron lose,
Starting point is 00:03:06 they say, see, this is why he lost. Rob, you close to this situation. I told Locho when they did it, I said, they need a big. I said, they only going to go so far. I said, because if Jackson Hayes don't give you quality minutes, now you're going to put him out
Starting point is 00:03:20 and you ain't got nobody else to put in there as a big. You got LeBron or Rui playing the four and the five. That's too small. Way, way too small. That's why you have to give Jackson Hayes a chance in that series. And it was weird when LeBron hit that guy. I know everybody always wants to say LeBron had antics. I watched his knee bend, and that's how I strained my MCL and was out just six weeks.
Starting point is 00:03:44 And, you know, LeBron is he's a alien when it comes to that. He doesn't get hurt. And so people want to talk about that, but that team is just too small. You think about all the teams you could have played, you got a hold of the wrong one.
Starting point is 00:03:59 And Minnesota, you think about it, they're just long, they're athletic, they're tough, and then they pissed off. They pissed off at Luka because he bounced them last year. And Minnesota, you think about it, they're just long, they're athletic, they're tough, and then they pissed off. They pissed off at Luka because he bounced them last year. And so, you know, one thing that coaches do, they learn. If you watch how the Minnesota Timberwolves coached Luka, they was like, no, don't switch. We did that mistake last year, put Gobert on the hits of three.
Starting point is 00:04:21 So we didn't switch this season. And that's one of the things that, you know, they learned that from Boston, too, because that's how Boston was able to, you know, beat the Dallas Marriott. Because, you know, we're not switching. We came out best defender. And I talked about that earlier,
Starting point is 00:04:34 how lazy guys are now. Man, it's not even a damn screen. They tried to fly it over the screen. Now they just pass it off. It's like, why? It's like, you're a better defender. And I look at JJ, I'm like, in game four, I'm like, Ant-Man out there cooking you.
Starting point is 00:04:51 And your best defender is on the freaking bench in Vando. Give him a chance. At least he got four fouls, six fouls. You're going to go to the hole. You're going to get up off the floor. And so that's why I'm looking at JJ like, dude, what are you doing? I'm not even mad at JJ. I'm mad at Nate and i'm looking at jason like dude what are you doing i'm not even mad at jj i'm mad at nate and i'm mad at scotty because you two head coaches are sat right over there and
Starting point is 00:05:11 let him do this dumb stuff because you can think it's a reason that that's the first time it was ever done in the playoff yeah they played yeah but i don't have any trouble you you can't i mean you're asking him and i don't care how great you are. And Ocho and I, we debated this. And Ocho was like, man, you got to get it done. I said, yeah, the mind is willing, but the body just ain't able. The man had just played 41 minutes a couple of nights before. Now you're running back 46 on 40-year-old legs? And then you put 44 minutes on him in game five.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Yeah. And what people forget is he's played more playoff games than everybody. So that's equivalent to like, I think, four seasons? So you got to add four seasons onto the 20 seasons
Starting point is 00:05:55 that he's played. The 22 seasons, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, so you got to think about it. So that's why you got to find a way. You got Gabe Vinson over there who's got NBA finals experience. Give him some burn. You know, I think the biggest mistake that the Lakers made all season
Starting point is 00:06:12 was not trying to figure out how to implement Dalton Connect into the system. Yeah. You know, you think about him. That's a flamethrower over there. You got to give him a chance. You know, you think about it. You talk about scoring, but then you put Vando in there. Who know, you got, you think about it, you got, you talk about scoring, but then you put Vando in there.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Who's the better shooter, Dalton Connect? Vando ain't looking, Vando ain't even looking at the rim unless it's a layup or a wide open dunk. But I think the thing is what J.J. Gato said about Dalton Connect
Starting point is 00:06:35 because he don't, he, his defensive assignment, he out there like a blind dog in a meat house. Do I show? Do I hit? Isn't Luka and isn't AR? But that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:06:45 See, that's the problem with the Lakers. You get Luka getting beat off the first dribble 90% of the time. AR getting beat off the second dribble. LeBron can't sit in the chair at 40 anymore. So now you got three guys that are really – I mean, LeBron will try to body you. I mean, yeah, he's going to chase it down. He's going to make some great defensive plays.
Starting point is 00:07:03 But when you got Luka and AR, and you don't have no – I mean, when you had AD, you had some help. Now you don't have AD. So now – Yep. And Jackson Hayes, I mean, sometimes, hey, he's a good lob thread. He'll get it off the rim, you know, get a rebound and put it back. But for the most part, you're not counting on him to get you much anyway.
Starting point is 00:07:25 If we can steal 15, 20 minutes from him, Rob, we good. That's all we wanted. You know, you think about that's all you need because people don't realize that the reason the Mavericks was so good last year
Starting point is 00:07:41 is because those two bigs they had. They was erasing all of Luka's mistakes. They was erasing all of Luka's mistakes. They was erasing everybody. Yeah, it's like, you go to the rack, okay, you got them guys blocking shots. And you know, people forget how important
Starting point is 00:07:55 certain bigs are to the team because they can erase, like what AD did. AD saved them so many times. And I think about when they played Denver last year, you expect AD to do everything like dude he can't guard some guys on the perimeter
Starting point is 00:08:10 you know and so you think about Murray Murray's like okay I'm a really good shooter I'm going to separate from AD and yeah let AD keep the defender on him let AD erase the mistake
Starting point is 00:08:20 when he gets to the hole right and so it's so many little things like that and the reason that I would never want to coach or be an assistant coach because I'm like, dude, I'm looking at my arrogance and be like, look, I don't
Starting point is 00:08:32 play with three of the best centers in the world. I don't want seven championships. You're going to freaking tell me. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. So I don't be in every situation. There's a reason that I won seven championships. There's a reason that Dream respects me. Shaq respects me.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Tim respects me. Because I wasn't afraid to yell at them and tell them what to do and put them in the right place in the right frame of mind. And when you got guys that are like that, you're going to be good, man. That's what I like about the Celtics. And that's what I like about the Cavs this year. That's who I got winning all, the Cavs. I know y'all didn't ask for that, but I just threw that out there. Hold on. You got the Cavs to come out of the East? I got the Cavs this year. That's who I got winning all, the Cavs. I know y'all didn't ask for that, but I just threw that out there. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:09:06 You got the Cavs to come out of the East? I got the Cavs. I got the Cavs winning it all, man. I don't know about that, Rob. Yeah. They ain't beating
Starting point is 00:09:14 none of the top teams. They lost to Boston. I think they beat Boston once, but I think they lost... They beat Boston once. They lost to OKC, I think, both times. Yep.
Starting point is 00:09:25 But I'm not worried about it. You know why? Why? Because playoffs is a different thing. They got to be able to focus on the team. And in the playoffs, you think about the OKC. OKC gets a lot of their points high when Shea Gilders gets to the free throw line. You don't get those free throws because you get the best refs.
Starting point is 00:09:43 They don't give you that BS that you get called to go to the free throw line and shoot 12, those free throws because you get the best refs and they don't give you that bs that you got called to go to the free throw line shoot 12 15 feet those so i think i think cleveland this year because of the way they were playing and those two bigs back there alan and yeah they ain't different yeah but if you look at it boston can play two big with prasingeth and al harper you look at okc you mentioned it they can play two bigs with Przingis and Al Harper. You look at OKC, you mentioned it. They can play two bigs with Hardenstein and Chet Holmgren. And tonight we learned Houston can play two bigs with Shingun and Adams. Who knew? Who knew that was possible? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:17 But I just say, I think, though, you know, when you look at the totality of the thing and the way fucking Spiders playing else, Spiders really realizes that I need my teammates and he doesn't try to just do it all on his own like an MJ, like a Kobe did at times. So he's relying on his team. I just think it's just... And I really
Starting point is 00:10:35 like the way Moby's playing right now. He's killing it, man. J.J. Redick said the Lakers have to get in championship shape. There are individuals that were in phenomenal shape. There are certainly ones that could have been in better shape. We've got to get in championship shape. There are individuals that were in phenomenal shape. There are certainly ones that could have been in better shape. We've got to get in championship shape. Rob, are you a fan of J.J. publicly taking shots?
Starting point is 00:10:55 Because we know who he's talking about. Hey, first of all, what does J.J. know about championship shape? Has he ever won a championship? He ain't won no title. I just want to know what is championship shape. That's all I'm asking. You know, do you know what championship shape is? Because for me, when you talk about championship shape,
Starting point is 00:11:18 that means you've been there, done that. When you talk about championship shape, that shit starts in the summertime, then it goes into training camp, and then that goes through in the season. If you want someone in championship shape, you don't in the summertime, then it goes in the training camp, and then that goes during the season. If you want someone in championship shape, you don't take the last three games off because you say, okay, I'm going to get some rest. You use those games to get in shape.
Starting point is 00:11:34 And so for me, I don't know why he said that, because you already think about, look already in a point where he's all mentally all screwed up because of the way Dallas got rid of him. And he got a sign of extension. He might take that as a shot as him he out so you don't know what he why he said that you know it's just the weirdest thing to me I think the thing but but I it seems to me now you you like I said Rob you know basketball bodies and you know you you you
Starting point is 00:12:00 you've been there but it seems to me every year Luka wears down and he's limping more and more in the playoffs. We saw that this year. We saw that last year against some of the teams that was wondering if Luka gonna play and we saw him in Boston. It seems like every year his body wears down once he gets to the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Yeah, but you know what when you think about when Luka first got to the Lakers, how they were humming. And you know what the know when you think about when luca first got to the lakers how they were humming and you know what the difference was what's that luca wasn't handling the ball as much you know if you think about the last let's talk about the series here he wanted the ball every time to bring it up and you when you got tough defenders like Minnesota, that's going to wear you down. Yeah. And so you got A.R., you got
Starting point is 00:12:49 LeBron, you even got Gabe Vince to bring up. Go stand your ass in the corner. And so take a break. And for me, I look at where he didn't know the plays and he was trying to get familiar. They look so damn good because A.R. come down. LeBron will come down. He'll come down. And they were moving the basketball.
Starting point is 00:13:05 It was cut. And they were just playing basketball. They were playing instinctively. But then I come down where he goes to that low thing. He goes to the mid, go to the high post, and just back it down. Dribble the clock out. Yeah. And it gets to a point where you think about all the energy LeBron had
Starting point is 00:13:24 because he wasn't bringing the ball up. Yes. So sometimes you have to get off the ball. And I don't think Luka can do that because that's the only way he knows how to play. And that's – you took the words right out of my mouth. You see, it's easy because LeBron can play off the ball. You put him in the dunker spot. You put him in the high post.
Starting point is 00:13:42 You can throw it to him. He can find somebody. Luka needs the ball. Luka can't play. Luka can't. His game hasn't evolved yet to where he can play off the ball like LeBron can. And I think this is what's going to cause LeBron to play another two more years, three more years
Starting point is 00:13:56 because he's off the ball and he doesn't have that burden of bringing it up, having to run the set, get everybody else involved. Now he's like, hey, y'all got Luka they are. Let me shoot some spotter threes, put me in that dunking spot so I can get the baseline and lay it up a dunking.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Hey, you know what I like to see? I like to see him just take him to the post because he got so many post-up moves he can use because it's about moving quick. I even put him in an elbow situation. We need to run some type of pinch post and let him go to work. That's one, two dribbles to the hole. You're dunking on people.
Starting point is 00:14:26 Right. You know, it's efficiency of movement to me. When you get to a certain age, do I need to take three steps, four steps, or five steps to be efficient? No, I'm taking three because, I mean, I can save two from later on. Yeah. And for me, that's what he has to learn how to do. Like, just go to the post. You think about how long Tim Duncan played.
Starting point is 00:14:43 You know, he's a different type of player. But LeBron has the ability to just take you to the post. You think about how long Tim Duncan played. You know he's a different type of player. But LeBron has the ability to just take it to the post. I'm going to jump hook you. I'm going to do my little fadeaway. And that's all he has to do. He's going to still average
Starting point is 00:14:52 about 24, 25 points like that because he's that much better than everybody else. How many more years do you think LeBron is realistically going to play? Because he said this every year they get out of the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:15:01 He's like, I don't know how much longer I got. And then he's like, hey, he seems to be like a guy he's gonna ride the train till the wheel falls off yeah
Starting point is 00:15:09 you know the funny thing about LeBron is he he is such a big kid and when you do young and hard and young and mild like that
Starting point is 00:15:17 you can play a couple more years I think when I hit my 16th season I feel like a whole fart I didn't want to do it no more mentally I was strong I was done. And so for him,
Starting point is 00:15:26 you think about how much, when you watch him warm up, I think every time I watch him warm up, he's smiling, he's dancing, every damn night. And for me, I had nights where I'm like, dude, I don't even want to be out here right now because I'm hurting.
Starting point is 00:15:39 But he still has that love, that joy, that energy. And, you know, I think he's probably going to play like maybe three more years because he's going to wait to see. You think he'll be I think he's probably going to play like maybe three more years. You think he's going to be 25? He's going to wait to see what Bryce is going to do. He was the first guy to play with 2-2,
Starting point is 00:15:52 his sons in the NBA. So you're going to see what Bryce is going to do. He's definitely going to look like he's going to set that record out there. Ain't nobody going to break it. Yeah. You know, it's weird. And nobody's going to break those records, man. You know, the only person that can break a record like that
Starting point is 00:16:03 is someone who's coming straight out of high school, maybe scoring. You think, like, the way Lucas scores, but he ain's going to break those records, man. You know, the only person that can break a record like that is someone who's coming straight out of high school, maybe scoring. You think, like, the way Luka scores, but he ain't going to make it that damn long. Oh, no. You think about who else could. KD is not going to make it that much longer. So nobody's ever going to.
Starting point is 00:16:15 These records are going to be, they're going to be out of this world. Ocho, you think JJ should have taken a shot at Luka publicly? I mean, I'm not sure if it was directed at Luka. I think something like that should be kept in-house. Who you talking about directed at? But listen, especially something like that.
Starting point is 00:16:34 No, but me and Rob want to know who you think it was directed at. It wasn't directed at Luka. Yeah, I mean, you're right about that. But listen, something like that, you keep in-house. You hear me? You hear me? You and a few other Lakers and a head coach really taking a shot at you publicly. I mean, you could have kept that in-house.
Starting point is 00:16:50 He could have talked about something else. But I think he wanted to send a message. He wanted to send a message, and that's the way he felt he wanted to send it. Yeah, I think at this point in time, I mean, it's got to be. You see what happened, and they were talking about that. Nico, look, everybody fought Nico, but that was a Nico call. That was an ownership call. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:11 Because Nico, that ain't Nico's money. $345, but not one penny was coming out of Nico's pocket. They made that call. And Nico obliged him and moved it and got, you know, could they have gotten a bigger package? Yeah, but they didn't want it to get out because you start calling around teams and that get out.
Starting point is 00:17:29 Oh, boy. Yeah. It's going to get back to Luka. Listen, I tell you what. Listen, if J.J. Redick and anyone else in the Lakers organization, you know, Ms. Buss, Brother Palenka, and y'all got a problem with Luka not being in shape.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Now, listen, we got some good gems down in Miami. We're getting together. We're getting together. We're getting together in Miami. Now, so think about that. Luka, Giannis, and Ja Morant. Nah, that ain't gonna work. We could take all of them. We got three ball-dominant guys.
Starting point is 00:17:57 That ain't working. Hey, you know, I'd trade Luka for a hero and Bam, give me number two. I'd give you Luka. Okay, okay, okay. Because now I got me a and Bam. Give me number two. I'll give you Luka. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:06 Okay. Because now I got me a big and I got me a shooter. But you're going to keep AR? It is. AR and Hero basically the same guys. Well, that's true. But the thing about AR is you can use him to get you something else. You can put him out there for something else.
Starting point is 00:18:30 But what I love about A.R. is that how he's grown. He's gotten better every single year. And if I didn't tell you, if you didn't know, you would never know he was an undrafted free agent. That's so true. You know, the thing I like about A.R. is he learns from his mistakes. And the one thing that I think he's going to sit back and now that I know that his toe was hurt, that he wasn't aggressive enough for me.
Starting point is 00:18:56 When A.R. is going downhill, he's such a good player. But when he's trying to think he's shifty with the rock and gets caught up and lose it, that's not the A.R. I want to see. I think when you think about how many times when he gets you, he just makes a direct line to the basket, pump face, he gets you there, he gets to end one. I don't even think he went to the free throw line the last two games because he wasn't trying to get to the rack. I don't know if it's because it had a lot to do with Minnesota's defense
Starting point is 00:19:19 because they're big and they're strong. You watch how Ant-Man was just bullying him up the top, not letting him get to his position. So, for me, he's going to have to learn how to just keep it simple. What I mean by that is I'm just going to take one, two dribbles, pull up. I ain't always got to get to the rack. You know, I got
Starting point is 00:19:36 to fake you, pump fake you, this and go this way. And it's about, like I said, he fishes on the moon because if you really think about AR, he's crafty, but he's not quick with it. No. He's kind of like Luca. He's just kind of slow with it.
Starting point is 00:19:51 He can get off because the defense is moving faster than you are. So that's how you have to get those fouls. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small. Through raw conversations, real stories, and actionable guidance, you can learn to face the mountain that is in front of you. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain.
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Starting point is 00:24:32 that's nutritious, but see, the problem is he ain't in Slovenia. You know, you come to America and you try to eat native food, we done added something to it. It gets you having a lot of house over here.
Starting point is 00:24:43 Look at Luka his first couple years when he got to the NBA. And look how skinny he is. And look, a lot of those European players, they don't have the bodies like an American player. They're not going to have the caps on their shoulders and the
Starting point is 00:24:57 definition. Look at Jokic. Look at Luka. Look at Manu. Look at Rozingas. That's not how they're built. But if you go back and look at Jokic when he first got in the league and how he looked now, you can tell he put time in. He said, man, I ain't fit to be no fast lob. Y'all ain't fit to be talking about me.
Starting point is 00:25:20 And now three MVPs and two run-ups later, the guy is one of the historically great players of all time. And that's because he made a concerted effort to get his butt in the gym, to watch his nutrition, to work, and to become what he became. But I just think Luka just wears down because last year he had that same problem. You know, he was dealing with a knee. And the year before that, he had some issues going on. I just think, you know, and it's hard because the guy's giving you 28-8-8.
Starting point is 00:25:51 But, bro, I need you 100% for the playoff too. Or it's close to it. And I don't think he's nearly close to that, especially this series here because he moves like an old man. But the thing about it is he did lose weight compared to when we first
Starting point is 00:26:08 got on the lake. So he lost about 10 pounds, so 20 pounds. So we got to be thankful he's going in the right direction. Yeah, we got to go in the right direction. I'm surprised given that
Starting point is 00:26:19 knowing a lot of people saying Luka, you know, hookah Luka, and you know, he drank and beer and he partying and he doesn't take it serious. It's hard for me to say that he doesn't take it serious, but do I think his conditioning could be better? Yes, absolutely. But I think he takes the game serious.
Starting point is 00:26:36 You don't get to be this good by not taking the game serious. But I do think his conditioning and his nutrition can be more on point. Yeah. I think for me, when I watch Luka, you know, I think he should do a lot of agility work in the summertime. Working on his footwork, working on his flexibility. Because a lot of his injuries are coming from just, you know, not being, you can tell he's not a flexible guy. No. You know, he needs to do yoga, Pilates or something all summer. And because when you watch him move sometimes,
Starting point is 00:27:11 he stays in front of people and he's so big-bodied that he bounces off of them. He just doesn't do it all the time. If he works on his footwork, he works on his feet and agility, he can become a decent defender because he can do it. He just don't want to. No. And the thing is that he's so good on the other end, Bob. That's the problem. He's so great offensively.
Starting point is 00:27:31 They're like, oh, we let somebody else. Hey, we'll do four on five. Y'all have that. Don't even worry about it, Luka. Because we see he get the man gave you a 60-20 triple-double. He can give you a 40-point triple-double or a 50-point triple-double. Like nothing. But, yeah, I was surprised.
Starting point is 00:27:51 But let me ask you this. Do you think, Nico, do you think Dallas was right about Luka but was wrong for the trade? You know what? It's right about Luka. One of those questions you have to deep dive into the franchise and get to know Luka and how his stuff, you know what it's right about Luke would be one of those questions you have to deep dive into the franchise and get to know Luke and how his stuff you know I always said
Starting point is 00:28:09 when he came into the season he always came in fluffy yes and he never came in shape and that's one of the things that you can tell like when your back
Starting point is 00:28:18 started hurting you know you can go a couple years remember AD started the season I was back with him because he was fluffy he wasn't in shape
Starting point is 00:28:24 and then he got then he got in and he played whatever the number game. It's about what you do in the offseason. It's about what you do in condition-wise and being prepared for the grind of the regular season. And I think with Nico, I agree when you said it wasn't his call. Because I just think when Nico messed up, the one line he messed up, he said, I didn't know how important the local was. But other than that, you should have just said, yo, man, I know you can't throw the owners
Starting point is 00:28:52 under the bus and be like, yo, I think I'm doing what I'm told to do. I work for someone just like a lot of you guys do. But I understand where he was coming from because if you really look at that team and you look at what they had with the addition of AD
Starting point is 00:29:07 I thought they had a position to do something scary because Kyrie you forget how good Kyrie is PJ Washington and then Gabbert you know you got
Starting point is 00:29:17 yeah but it was just it was just you know bad time but I also think with me you know I love AD is one of my favorite players of all time. But I think AD moving to the floor
Starting point is 00:29:29 and making him soft. And what I mean by that is, I'm not saying physically, because it's making him not be aggressive. You watch him in the last couple games and playing games, all he did was shoot threes. And you're so effective.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Think about when he was in New Orleans, they gave him the pinch post. He was doing spinning, dunking on people, shooting threes, setting you up. But once he said he wanted to be, I know he had
Starting point is 00:29:51 Boogie. Boogie with him. But it was like, he didn't play the same way. He didn't shoot a lot of threes. And so for me, it's making him soften in the sense that
Starting point is 00:30:00 I'm going to settle. When I say soften, it means settle instead of like going to the rack, trying to get to the feet of the line. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Yeah, look, because Luka is so great, because he was so beloved. I mean, they drafted a kid. He was 18 when he got there. Yeah. I don't know. It's hard for me to believe, Nico, you was a marketing guy for Nike. You understand who does what and who moves the needle. Ain't nobody had to tell you that.
Starting point is 00:30:28 You know exactly. You know what Shea means to OKC. You know what Jason Tatum means to Boston. You know what Jalen Brunson means to the Knicks. And Jalen Brunson got traded to the Knicks. Shea got traded to OKC. So you talk about a homegrown. Kobe, homegrown.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Trey LeBron at 25. You're going to cross the hallway what Dirk meant to that team. So I agree with you. I agree with you, Bob. I don't know about that. I'll just say, yeah. Hey, guys, we're going to move it on.
Starting point is 00:31:02 I mean, Luka's not here anymore. We got Anthony Davis. We're going to add some more pieces. Kyairi got hurt that's what really made it look bad kairi got hurt so hey we get kairi they probably gonna try to make a run for kd because kd probably gonna be up out of phoenix and now we might be having a different story august the second the lakers can offer luca a four-year $229 million extension. Or Luka could opt to sign a three-year $165 million extension with a player option in 2028, which would then allow him to sign a max deal in 2028
Starting point is 00:31:36 that gave him 35% of the salary cap for the next five seasons. What you doing, Rob? You taking the four years at $229 million, three years at 165 with a player option, and then at 28? Let me go and get that 400. All right.
Starting point is 00:31:54 I'm taking the four years. You want that money? You want that guarantee? You want that guarantee, buddy? I want that guaranteed money now and deal with it then. You know, hey, but think about it.
Starting point is 00:32:03 So many guys, in this day and age, you take the four years. Hey, I want to reneg now and deal with it then. You know, hey, but think about it. So many guys, in this day and age, you take the four years. Hey, I want to renegotiate my contract. Oh, I want to be traded. You know, there's so many things you can do. So I'm taking the four years because I don't want to trust my body. When you think about how many injuries he's gotten, I have to go with the money now because you see IT, what happened to him.
Starting point is 00:32:24 You see what happened to so many guys who bet on themselves. Right. And they buy to fail on them. So I'm taking the money. What you doing on Joe? You taking the money or you going to play side three years? What to do with the option? And then go to the table and say, let me get that five.
Starting point is 00:32:40 Let me get that five for, you got five for uh 400 in there for me i mean well well i'm gonna take that three because i if i'm i'm betting on my body and i'm only betting on my body because i ain't never been hurt so probably i'm gonna play another three seasons not get hurt and go back to the table and hit him across the head that's just me but understanding luca and his injury history and um it seemed, I mean, no disrespect in any way, it seemed like his body continued to deteriorate, especially towards the end of the season. I'm expecting something like
Starting point is 00:33:11 that to continue to happen, because as you get older, it don't get better. No. It don't get better, so, you know, unless you're LeBron. Yeah, yeah, there you go. But listen, what Luka can do, what Luka can do is he can take that three if he adapts and does everything LeBron does
Starting point is 00:33:28 when it comes to taking care of your body. Right. Now, then you can take that three and bet on yourself. But what are the chances of him actually doing everything LeBron does when it comes to taking care of your body and preparing yourself in the offseason? But, you know, we always say that you need to get with LeBron. But, you know, we got to also think that, you know, LeBron got great genetics.
Starting point is 00:33:48 For sure. That too. You know, we can just say, oh, you're giving LeBron. It's like all of us can go in the gym and shoot a thousand jumpers. You know, we can do it for a whole week. Exactly. It's going to come out this shoot like Steph Curry. He can come and shoot 10 a day.
Starting point is 00:34:03 It's still going to be better than that. It's just, you know, sometimes, you know, the man above, God gives you talents. God gives you the genetics. And so you can tell Luka to do all that. But if the body don't act right, the body don't act right. LeBron says, it ain't my job to worry about Luka's future with the Lakers. LeBron told ESPN, nope, that ain't my job.
Starting point is 00:34:22 I don't think. I don't think. I know Luka knows how I feel about him, and ultimately the trade happened for the future. That's not for me. Luka has to decide what he has to do with his future. He's 26 years old. I'm 40, so he can't be basing on his career off me.
Starting point is 00:34:40 That's just real. But I hope, obviously, he stays long-term. Laker fans effing love him here. L.A. has accepted him. We love him as a teammate, as a brother. But ultimately, he's got to make a decision for him-ish. I ain't going around
Starting point is 00:34:56 being, I ain't going to be around much longer. Probably going to be out there another two, three years. Watch. Yep. Watch. And you think about this, LeBron at, you know, at 60%, even 30%
Starting point is 00:35:10 is probably better than half the league. That's how good he is. Yeah. And I think, you know, I think Luka, the things he's doing
Starting point is 00:35:16 around the city so far, you know, think about what just happened with the defacing of the Kobe Monroe and he donating the money. You know, I think he's trying to do exactly what he did in Dallas.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Let him know that he wants to be a part of the community and do as much that he can say, Hey, I know you guys are paying me a shit ton of money. I'm just going to be here for you guys and try to give back the best way I can. So I feel like Luca, unless,
Starting point is 00:35:41 you know, the Joker said, Hey, let's play together. He'll be, he'll be in a Laker uniform. I like it. I think the Joker's the only person that probably could
Starting point is 00:35:54 get him to say, come on, let's go play together. Per The Athletic, people close to LeBron aren't ruling out the possibility of him finishing his career elsewhere. Ron, back to the land. If the Cavaliers don't make it to the conference finals his career elsewhere. LeBron, back to the land. If the Cavaliers don't make the Eastern Conference Finals, could we see LeBron coming home one last time?
Starting point is 00:36:10 One time. One more time to finish his career. No. I don't see it. He loves everything about L.A. Savano loves everything about L.A. His daughter was in dance class here. She got everything going on that way. He, you know, he's really I think he's realizing the importance of you know, his kids and the His daughter was in dance class here. She got everything going on that way.
Starting point is 00:36:29 I think he's realizing the importance of his kids and the direction they're going and how much they're enjoying. He ain't going back to Cleveland. Now, he might go there and sign and say he retired. Yeah, that wasn't their contract. Yeah, but I don't believe he goes back. Go back and do what? You playing with Luka. You playing with Luka.
Starting point is 00:36:50 Go back and sit on it. He got to come off the bench. I'm like, because that's starting to follow. I'm going to be like, yo, man, we just won a chip. You ain't moving us out the way. Yeah, I agree with you. I don't see him going back. I mean, they keep saying that, but I think LeBron really loves the Lakers.
Starting point is 00:37:07 I really think he loves living in L.A. I think he loves all things L.A. The weather is nice year-round. He don't really have to have an overcoat. You know, you can have a top-down down there year-round. You got water. You got beaches. I mean, everything, his businesses are in L.A.
Starting point is 00:37:22 There's really nothing for him not to like about L.A. And he's making a lot of movies, right? Yeah. He's doing a lot of that stuff. Yeah, his production company, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's going on. So he's in the perfect place, you know.
Starting point is 00:37:37 And he played with the Lakers. Yeah. I mean, Shaq is really the only one I can remember that came here and left. Kareem didn't leave. Wilt didn't leave. Kobe didn. Kareem didn't leave. Wilt didn't leave. Kobe didn't leave. Magic didn't leave. Normally, when you get in.
Starting point is 00:37:51 Shaq didn't want to leave. He was just forced out. Who that? Shaq didn't want to leave. He was just forced out. Shaq wanted his money. Yeah. Hey, when I was in the Lakers, I didn't want to leave either,
Starting point is 00:38:01 but I was forced out. You don't want to leave the Lakers, man. Yeah, but I agree. I think, and don't want to leave the Lakers, man. Yeah, but, yeah, I agree. I think, and plus, you know, the kids are here. I mean, it's a short trek for him to go over to shoot over to Arizona to see Bryce, to go way back to Cleveland. Zuri, his youngest daughter, his only daughter, the youngest, is in school here to uproot her and leave her friends.
Starting point is 00:38:24 I think Savannah has, like, carved out her own niche here in L.A. Yeah, I just don't see it. I know it sounds good. I mean, hey, you know, those close to LeBron, Ocho, I just don't see it, though. Yeah. Yeah. He ain't going nowhere. What you think?
Starting point is 00:38:40 He'll be right here for a minute. I say he ain't going nowhere. Honestly, I know he kept his place in Ohio and he can always jet back, but I think California is going to be his home base. I think California is where he's going to reside. When it's all said and done, LeBron James will be a California. He's not a native, obviously. He grew up in Akron, Ohio.
Starting point is 00:39:00 He played a lot of years in Cleveland. But think about it. He's going to almost double up the amount of time that he played in Miami here in L.A. Yeah, most definitely. I think also it's too many moving parts. It's too many moving parts in L.A. for him to go back to Akron. Obviously, having a place there, being that that's where you grew up,
Starting point is 00:39:18 he will still always have ties there. But as far as from a business standpoint and everything he has going on, I'd assume it would make more sense obviously to stay here in LA yeah bigger market yeah I mean but you know he's the type of guy that he don't really he is the market true
Starting point is 00:39:34 there's a lot more connections out here than there is in Cleveland because there's nothing that you can't do in LA I mean hey pick up the phone I don't think he wants Because there's nothing that you can't do in L.A. I mean, hey, pick up the phone. I don't think he wants to go back to that cold. I don't think Savannah wants to go back to the cold.
Starting point is 00:39:57 I mean, once you get used to that warm weather, it's hard for you to go back. If you live in Florida, if you live in L.A., if you live in some warm weather and say, you know, yeah, I think I want to go live in New York. I want to live in Philly. I want to live in Massachusetts.. I want to live in Massachusetts. Once them old bones get used to that warm weather, I'm here for the long haul. Once you step out there and that cold just hits you in the face one time, it's like, nah, I'm good.
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Starting point is 00:44:01 In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. SGL only being traded by the Clippers will on his mind if LA advances and play the Thunder. They did motivate me a long time ago. I haven't thought about them in years, though. I can't hold, I guess you can say,
Starting point is 00:44:54 grudges forever in life. What you think, Rock? When you got traded, did you hold a grudge against anybody when you got traded? I know, because I knew it was just business. And I was mad at the Rocks when they traded him to terrible-ass Phoenix. But other than that, I was excited as hell when Phoenix traded me to the Lakers.
Starting point is 00:45:13 So, no, that was great for me. But I think when you look at it, I think getting traded to OKC was a better situation for him. Yes. Because he wasn't going to be the head of the snake. No. So he was never going to be able to flourish. Yeah, so he put him in the perfect position. He got those picks. He got
Starting point is 00:45:33 guys that came in that was like a similar attitude, similar the way he is. And he's been able to flourish because sometimes guys can be great players but they're getting held back by having to play behind this player or that player.
Starting point is 00:45:47 So that was perfect for him. And he was able to show everybody like, oh. And everybody's sitting back like, damn, Clips fucked up. But you got to think about it was for Paul George.
Starting point is 00:45:56 And Paul George at the time was the man. All the NBA players. Okay, okay, okay, okay. What you going to say, Ocho? I was going to say, I was going to say, even going to say, even if he was there with Kawhi, you're saying the SGA wouldn't be able to be who he was just because he's paired with Kawhi?
Starting point is 00:46:13 Yeah, he got to be the guy. You see what happened? You see what they did? They got him and then they built around him. They were looking to build around Kawhi. He needs the ball. Yeah. Because if you watch SGA,
Starting point is 00:46:29 he has a lot of guys on his team that love him and they know what the exact thing to do. And they sit back and let him work. You know, when you think about Kawhi, Kawhi is a guy, you know, even though
Starting point is 00:46:38 you got James Harden over there, you don't never know what you're going to get out of James because sometimes James wants to shoot, sometimes he doesn't. But at the end of the day, it's Kawhi. And I think also that's why Paul George
Starting point is 00:46:50 never really looked that good as a Clipper when he did when he was a Pacer because he was, you know, deferring to Kawhi. And, you know, we forget sometimes Kawhi is one of the best players in this game when he's healthy. And so it's hard not to defer to Kawhi. It is.
Starting point is 00:47:07 And, you know, Kawhi got there. And here's the thing. Kawhi said, if you don't trade for Paul George, I'm going to the Lakers. The last thing the Clippers could have, you can't have Anthony Davis, LeBron James, and Kawhi Leonard on one team in that building while you're in the basement. So they had no choice. So you do that, and then you watch him him and you're like, well, damn.
Starting point is 00:47:29 What could have been? But I don't know. I don't know if SGA would have developed into the player that he's become now. Had he been there? So he got an opportunity. Because the thing was that you remember Rob, Chris Paul was there. Yep. You remember Rob, Chris Paul was there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:50 So he got an opportunity to learn how to play the position from the point guard. Yeah. And he took off, and he had to look back. And now he's, you know, you can make a case he's top one, top best point guard in the league. He and Luka battle out him, Luka and Steph. But it's hard to say you're going to say there's another point guard that's league. He and Luca, he and Luca battle out him, Luca and Steph, but it's hard to say, you're going to say there's another point guard that's better than those three.
Starting point is 00:48:09 Whoever's won, it's out of that, it's out of those three. Yeah. Right. Unless you want, unless you consider Steph a point guard. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:48:16 Steph, Luca, and Shea. Yeah. I mean, I look at Steph more than the two, me personally, I look at Steph and James Harden
Starting point is 00:48:24 as two guards that, you know, that can pass. But I guess because you grew up with it. We grew up in there where the point guard was Magic Johnson. The point guard was Isaiah Thomas. So, you know, guys like that, they were true point guards. They weren't trying to go get 30, 40, or 50. These point guards today, they try to light you up for 40 or 50. It's like, no,
Starting point is 00:48:48 you play, I will give you the ball when I can't shoot and you just be ready for me to kick it to you. That's one thing. I only had a chance to play with Jason Kidd for two games
Starting point is 00:48:55 when I was in Phoenix. Damn! You ain't even had no coffee. I know. Hey, he had just got traded to us and the weird part is I look at my career high school
Starting point is 00:49:08 college I never played with a true point guard for that one moment you should have seen me man I was hitting the lanes getting left looking up the ball
Starting point is 00:49:19 was right where I wanted to catch it man I was like and it goes to show you if you got a point guard he's going to make you so if you've got a point guard, he's going to make you so much better.
Starting point is 00:49:27 And J.K. made, man, the two games, man, I probably could have been an all-star. Well, then, whatever. You should have behaved your damn self and kept that towel
Starting point is 00:49:34 around your neck. Hey, I'll be only having two rings instead of seven then. Hey, you knew it damn well how to get up out of Phoenix, didn't you? Oh, yeah. You know what the real part was?
Starting point is 00:49:48 You know, Danny Ainge became the coach. You know, Danny Ainge, I didn't like him from the moment I got there. Damn, Rob, you didn't get a man to change. No, you know, we had just finished a tough series against Phoenix. Okay. You remember the inbound play when he rears back and hits Mario in the face with the ball, point blank range? Yes, yes. You know, Mario, my boy,
Starting point is 00:50:07 me and Mario close. And then we walking down, we get the things, we walking in the hall and Danny Ains says to Sam Cassell and I, like, you know I hit Mario in the face with the ball
Starting point is 00:50:17 on purpose, right? He acted like it was a mistake. I'm like, man, fuck you. From that moment on, I never liked it. Okay. And he was just an assistant coach then.
Starting point is 00:50:23 And then when Cotton stepped down, he became the head coach. And from that moment on, he was like, he was like, he didn't start me when we went back to Houston. He didn't play me. And then we traded away Michael Philly and AC Green
Starting point is 00:50:37 and said, well, you're going to get more minutes. My minutes went down. And so I was hot, man. I was like, cause I was in,
Starting point is 00:50:43 we was in Boston. I just made it three, got a dunk, got a steal. And I look over, he subbed me in the first three minutes of the game. I was hot, man. I was like, because I was in Boston. I had just made a three, got a dunk, got a steal. And I look over, he subbed me in the first three minutes of the game. I was like, man, fuck you. I was hot, man.
Starting point is 00:50:52 So I was hot. So, hey, they were going to release me and I was going to go back to Houston. I'm like, okay, you're going to release me. I'm going back to playing Houston. But they cut,
Starting point is 00:51:00 they sent me to the Lakers and what better place to be? The rest is history. Let me ask you a question. Have you seen Danny Ainge? Have you had a conversation with Danny Ainge since that moment? No. Last conversation I had with Danny Ainge was after he said,
Starting point is 00:51:16 oh, we trading you to L.A. for Sergio Sabaz, and I probably just won you another championship. That's what he said to me. That's the last conversation I had with him. He did. Don't plan to talk to him. Don't want he said to me. That's the last conversation I had with him. He did. Don't plan to talk to him. Don't want to talk to him.
Starting point is 00:51:29 Uh-oh. Oh, Joe. Tonight's blockbuster boxing card was supposed to be the end with an official announcement. Ryan Garcia versus Devin Haney. The rematch, October. But Rolando Roley Romero ripped up that script. Garcia lost in a stunner to Romero ripped up that script. Garcia lost in a stunner to Romero after
Starting point is 00:51:48 an early knockdown. Romero claimed the WBA welterweight title with the unanimous decision upset over Garcia at the iconic Times Square in New York. Ocho, what happened? Man, listen. Ryan Garcia was supposed to win the fight. He'd done a lot
Starting point is 00:52:04 of talking. talking obviously we saw what he did to Devin Haney last time they fought he dominated Haney in that fight obviously testing for an illegal substance
Starting point is 00:52:13 whatever it may have been I think if he wasn't on the substance I think he still may have won that fight based on the way he looked but tonight listen Ryan Garcia
Starting point is 00:52:21 if you're a betting man Ryan Garcia was your favorite to win the fight tonight against Roley but listen Ryan Garcia landed more punches but romero getting a knockdown and obviously winning the fight um and getting the decision it was to me it was shocking it was shocking to me because roley has somewhat of an awkward style of fighting and to me i think ryan garcia is the better pure boxer.
Starting point is 00:52:47 And I thought he would probably win tonight, especially with that dangerous left hook that he has. But it didn't go that way. It didn't go that way. Roley had a good fight. Now I think Roley now has a chance to actually fight Devin Haney. Yeah. And I think the rematch against Ryan Garcia is probably out the window because of this loss from Garcia.
Starting point is 00:53:04 So, I mean, I'm excited. I'm excited. And Devin Haney looked a little different tonight. He looked very cautious after what happened to him when he fought Ryan Garcia. He was very cautious. He won the fight. He was on his bicycle a lot, really counterpunching and throwing punches in spurts and not being the fighter he should be at this point in his career.
Starting point is 00:53:27 He won the fight. He didn't do it in the fashion we'd like to see, especially if you're a boxing fan like myself. So I really look forward to Rody Romero and Demi Haney getting in the ring. All right. It's time for our last segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Paul, the shot caller in 1999 says,
Starting point is 00:53:53 question is, the real question is, can Rob Palenka build a team around Luca? Because he was good. He was in a good situation in Dallas when he left. And Rob has shown he can't build a team, man. I said it this once and I'll say it
Starting point is 00:54:06 again. If Lucas stayed in Dallas, we would have been back in the finals. We had a great squad this year. You think that's true? Nah. I personally don't think it's true because I think you caught a lightning in the bottle last
Starting point is 00:54:23 year and sometimes you think you can do a repeat. You think about the way everybody on that team was playing. Kyrie, PJ, the bench was coming out playing exceptional. I don't think they had the same amount of juice. I think you think about if Minnesota doesn't switch, they go to the finals. That's that one possession right there. And for me, I just don't think they had enough. Plus, you look at the West.
Starting point is 00:54:49 The West was too damn good. You're going to find someone that's going to beat you. What'd you think, Ocho? Listen, Rob talked about it earlier. Them getting to the finals because of those bigs. Down there, any mistakes Luka had, they were always there to counter that and to make up for it. I think if the Lakers
Starting point is 00:55:09 in some kind of way, we talked about it this season, them not having a big, hell, get two bigs for that matter. That can help out in some way, form or fashion. And I think the Lakers will be alright this upcoming season. Squirrelly Reseller said, Jokic says
Starting point is 00:55:25 he wants to play with Luka and LeBron. Can't Rob and JJ make that happen? No. Hey, I don't know. If you watch Joker on the bench, and you know, Mike Malone got fired, it's a lot of stuff going on. I know they can't do it, but
Starting point is 00:55:43 I want to know. So which one. So. So it's a. LeBron would have to waive his no trade. And then I don't think Rob is going to trade Luca to Denver. Because Denver damn sure not letting Jokic go. Because Jokic is lying to sign a three year,
Starting point is 00:55:59 two hundred twenty two million dollar deal. Yeah. He ain't going nowhere. Huh? If Joker say, if Joker say I don't want to be here no say, I don't want to be here no more, he don't want to be here no more. Let me ask you a question.
Starting point is 00:56:08 If Joker say, send me to LA, I want to go to LA. Three years, 220. Who run the league? Who run the league? The players? The players?
Starting point is 00:56:15 Okay, there it is. Watch when he signed that extension this year, three years, $221 million. That'll tell you that he's not going to LA. And you also have to think about, if you're Denver,
Starting point is 00:56:28 what do you want off the Lakers team? Yeah, LeBron's going to be, you got Jokic for at least another five years, you ain't going to have LeBron like that. Yeah. And it's a difference if, you know, the Lakers are OKC and they got about 50 first-round picks. They got like, what, one? If that? Right. So they got about 50 first round picks. They got like, what, one? If that?
Starting point is 00:56:46 Right. So, they got to come up with something. And I think, it's kind of screwy what the deal is now is you can only,
Starting point is 00:56:53 like, I don't know the technical terms to it, but when you got to match the monies up now, it's not just like five players for one. So,
Starting point is 00:57:01 it'd be kind of hard to trade him. J.W. Akron, Ocho, you say, y, you say you won't face a gorilla with 99 other men, but you'll face a human silverback at the Octagon one-on-one. He's going to do the same thing to you. One punch. I mean, the fact that you're comparing an actual human being that puts his pants on one leg at a time like I do to a silverback
Starting point is 00:57:24 is the problem with society right now. That's the problem. You see somebody with size, you see somebody with strength, you see somebody that scares you with the naked eye and you get nervous. Come on, man. This is me. I'm going to beat the shit out of James Harrison, man. Stop. Stop trying me. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Y'all know me. I'm your favorite Uncharted Sharp. My partner Shadowbox is up in the top right corner.
Starting point is 00:57:53 The Liberty City legend, the bingo ring of fame honoree, pro bowler, all pro, Chad Ochocinco Johnson. And the guy that joined us tonight to recap the Golden State Warriors lose to the Houston Rockets on their home court. 115-107. Thanks to a great effort by Shungun, Fred Van Fleet, and off the bench, got great minutes from Steven Adams. He was perfect from the field. He's 9-16 from the free throw line.
Starting point is 00:58:21 The most made free throw attempts in his career. 17 big points, 5 rebounds, 3 block shots, a steal. He did some of everything in 31 minutes tonight, and it helped the Rockets force a Game 7 on their home court. So Game 7, Sunday.
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