Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Lakers Blame Game Begins + Ryan Garcia loses to Rolly Romero
Episode Date: May 3, 2025Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson and NBA Legend Robert Horry react to Los Angeles Lakers head coach JJ Redick criticizing the team's conditioning after their NBA Playoff elimination, LeBron Ja...mes and Luka Doncic's contract situation, Ryan Garcia being upset by Rolando "Rolly" Romero in a welterweight face off, and much more!01:47 - Lakers injuries released after being bounced from playoffs09:50 - JJ says Lakers gotta get in championship shape27:48 - Lakers could offer Luka extension30:46 - Lebron says its not his job to worry about Luka’s future w/Lakers32:27 - Ppl close to LeBron dont rule out him closing his career elsewhere38:30 - SGA on Clippers trade45:18 - Ryan Garcia Upset47:30 - Q and Ayyyyee(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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injury news has been creeping out.
First, an MRI revealed that LeBron James suffered a grade 2 MCL sprain
in his left knee in the fourth quarter of game five.
The injury entails a three to five week recommended recovery timeline.
Then it was reported that Austin Reeves was dealing with a left big toe sprain during the playoffs,
was considered a two to four week injury, but he gutted it out.
Reeves was reportedly not walking on it on days off to try to get through the playoffs.
You know, the Internet is reacting because it seems like every time LeBron lose,
they say, see, this is why he lost.
Rob, you close to this situation.
I told Locho when they did it,
I said, they need a big.
I said, they only going to go so far.
I said, because if Jackson Hayes
don't give you quality minutes,
now you're going to put him out
and you ain't got nobody else to put in there as a big.
You got LeBron or Rui playing the four and the five.
That's too small.
Way, way too small.
That's why you have to give Jackson Hayes a chance in that series.
And it was weird when LeBron hit that guy.
I know everybody always wants to say LeBron had antics.
I watched his knee bend, and that's how I strained my MCL and was out just six weeks.
And, you know, LeBron is
he's a
alien when it comes to that. He doesn't get
hurt. And so people want to talk about
that, but that team
is just too small. You think about
all the teams you could have played, you
got a hold of the wrong one.
And Minnesota,
you think about it, they're just long, they're
athletic, they're tough, and then they pissed off. They pissed off at Luka because he bounced them last year. And Minnesota, you think about it, they're just long, they're athletic, they're tough, and then they pissed off.
They pissed off at Luka because he bounced them last year.
And so, you know, one thing that coaches do, they learn.
If you watch how the Minnesota Timberwolves coached Luka,
they was like, no, don't switch.
We did that mistake last year, put Gobert on the hits of three.
So we didn't switch this season.
And that's one of the things that, you know,
they learned that from Boston, too,
because that's how Boston was able to, you know,
beat the Dallas Marriott.
Because, you know, we're not switching.
We came out best defender.
And I talked about that earlier,
how lazy guys are now.
Man, it's not even a damn screen.
They tried to fly it over the screen.
Now they just pass it off.
It's like, why?
It's like, you're a better defender.
And I look at JJ, I'm like, in game four,
I'm like, Ant-Man out there cooking you.
And your best defender is on the freaking bench in Vando.
Give him a chance.
At least he got four fouls, six fouls.
You're going to go to the hole.
You're going to get up off the floor.
And so that's why I'm looking at JJ like, dude, what are you doing?
I'm not even mad at JJ. I'm mad at Nate and i'm looking at jason like dude what are you doing i'm not even mad at
jj i'm mad at nate and i'm mad at scotty because you two head coaches are sat right over there and
let him do this dumb stuff because you can think it's a reason that that's the first time it was
ever done in the playoff yeah they played yeah but i don't have any trouble you you can't i mean
you're asking him and i don't care how great you are. And Ocho and I, we debated this.
And Ocho was like, man, you got to get it done.
I said, yeah, the mind is willing, but the body just ain't able.
The man had just played 41 minutes a couple of nights before.
Now you're running back 46 on 40-year-old legs?
And then you put 44 minutes on him in game five.
Yeah.
And what people forget is
he's played more playoff games
than everybody.
So that's equivalent to like,
I think, four seasons?
So you got to add four seasons
onto the 20 seasons
that he's played.
The 22 seasons, you mean?
Yeah.
Yeah, so you got to think about it.
So that's why you got to find a way.
You got Gabe Vinson over there who's got NBA finals experience.
Give him some burn.
You know, I think the biggest mistake that the Lakers made all season
was not trying to figure out how to implement Dalton Connect into the system.
Yeah.
You know, you think about him.
That's a flamethrower over there.
You got to give him a chance.
You know, you think about it.
You talk about scoring, but then you put Vando in there. Who know, you got, you think about it, you got, you talk about scoring,
but then you put Vando in there.
Who's the better shooter,
Dalton Connect?
Vando ain't looking, Vando ain't even looking
at the rim unless it's a layup
or a wide open dunk.
But I think the thing is
what J.J. Gato said
about Dalton Connect
because he don't,
he, his defensive assignment,
he out there like a blind dog
in a meat house.
Do I show?
Do I hit?
Isn't Luka and isn't AR?
But that's the thing.
See, that's the problem with the Lakers.
You get Luka getting beat off the first dribble 90% of the time.
AR getting beat off the second dribble.
LeBron can't sit in the chair at 40 anymore.
So now you got three guys that are really –
I mean, LeBron will try to body you.
I mean, yeah, he's going to chase it down.
He's going to make some great defensive plays.
But when you got Luka and AR, and you don't have no –
I mean, when you had AD, you had some help.
Now you don't have AD.
So now –
Yep.
And Jackson Hayes, I mean, sometimes, hey, he's a good lob thread.
He'll get it off the rim, you know, get a rebound and put it back.
But for the most part, you're not counting on him to get you much anyway.
If we can steal 15, 20 minutes
from him, Rob, we good.
That's all we wanted.
You know, you think about
that's all you need
because people don't realize
that the reason the Mavericks
was so good last year
is because those two bigs they had.
They was erasing
all of Luka's mistakes. They was erasing all of Luka's mistakes.
They was erasing everybody.
Yeah, it's like, you go to
the rack, okay, you got them guys
blocking shots. And you know,
people forget how important
certain bigs are to the team
because they can erase, like what AD did.
AD saved them so many times.
And I think about when they played Denver
last year, you expect AD to do everything
like dude
he can't guard some guys
on the perimeter
you know
and so you think about Murray
Murray's like okay
I'm a really good shooter
I'm going to separate from AD
and yeah
let AD keep the defender on him
let AD erase the mistake
when he gets to the hole
right
and so
it's so many little things like that
and the reason that I would never want
to coach or be an assistant coach because
I'm like, dude, I'm looking at
my arrogance and be like, look, I don't
play with three of the best centers in the world.
I don't want seven championships. You're going to freaking
tell me. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
So I
don't be in every situation. There's a reason
that I won seven championships. There's a reason
that Dream respects me.
Shaq respects me.
Tim respects me.
Because I wasn't afraid to yell at them and tell them what to do and put them in the right place in the right frame of mind.
And when you got guys that are like that, you're going to be good, man.
That's what I like about the Celtics.
And that's what I like about the Cavs this year.
That's who I got winning all, the Cavs.
I know y'all didn't ask for that, but I just threw that out there.
Hold on. You got the Cavs to come out of the East? I got the Cavs this year. That's who I got winning all, the Cavs. I know y'all didn't ask for that, but I just threw that out there. Hold on.
You got the Cavs
to come out of the East?
I got the Cavs.
I got the Cavs winning
it all, man.
I don't know about that, Rob.
Yeah.
They ain't beating
none of the top teams.
They lost to Boston.
I think they beat Boston once,
but I think they lost...
They beat Boston once.
They lost to OKC,
I think, both times.
Yep.
But I'm not worried about it.
You know why?
Why?
Because playoffs is a different thing.
They got to be able to focus on the team.
And in the playoffs, you think about the OKC.
OKC gets a lot of their points high when Shea Gilders gets to the free throw line.
You don't get those free throws because you get the best refs.
They don't give you that BS that you get called to go to the free throw line and shoot 12, those free throws because you get the best refs and they don't give you that bs that you got called to go to the free throw line shoot 12 15 feet those so i think i think cleveland
this year because of the way they were playing and those two bigs back there alan and yeah
they ain't different yeah but if you look at it boston can play two big with prasingeth and al
harper you look at okc you mentioned it they can play two bigs with Przingis and Al Harper. You look at OKC, you mentioned it. They can play two bigs with Hardenstein and Chet Holmgren.
And tonight we learned Houston can play two bigs with Shingun and Adams.
Who knew?
Who knew that was possible?
Yeah.
But I just say, I think, though, you know,
when you look at the totality of the thing and the way fucking Spiders playing
else, Spiders really realizes that I need my
teammates and he doesn't try
to just do it all on his own like
an MJ, like a Kobe did
at times. So he's relying on
his team. I just think it's just... And I really
like the way Moby's playing right now. He's killing
it, man. J.J. Redick said
the Lakers have to get in championship
shape. There are individuals that
were in phenomenal shape. There are certainly ones that could have been in better shape. We've got to get in championship shape. There are individuals that were in phenomenal shape.
There are certainly ones that could have been in better shape.
We've got to get in championship shape.
Rob, are you a fan of J.J. publicly taking shots?
Because we know who he's talking about.
Hey, first of all, what does J.J. know about championship shape?
Has he ever won a championship?
He ain't won no title.
I just want to know what is championship shape.
That's all I'm asking.
You know, do you know what championship shape is?
Because for me, when you talk about championship shape,
that means you've been there, done that.
When you talk about championship shape,
that shit starts in the summertime,
then it goes into training camp,
and then that goes through in the season. If you want someone in championship shape, you don't in the summertime, then it goes in the training camp, and then that goes during the season.
If you want someone in championship shape,
you don't take the last three games off because you say, okay, I'm going to get some rest.
You use those games to get in shape.
And so for me, I don't
know why he said that,
because you already think about, look
already in a point where he's all
mentally all screwed up because of the way Dallas got rid of him.
And he got a sign of extension. He might take that as a shot as him he out so you don't know
what he why he said that you know it's just the weirdest thing to me I think the thing but but I
it seems to me now you you like I said Rob you know basketball bodies and you know you you you
you've been there but it seems to me every year Luka wears down and he's
limping more and more in the playoffs. We saw
that this year. We saw that last year
against some of the teams that was wondering
if Luka gonna play and we saw him
in Boston. It seems like every
year his body wears
down once he gets to the playoffs.
Yeah, but you know what
when you think about when Luka first
got to the Lakers, how they were humming. And you know what the know when you think about when luca first got to the lakers
how they were humming and you know what the difference was what's that luca wasn't handling
the ball as much you know if you think about the last let's talk about the series here he wanted
the ball every time to bring it up and you when you got tough defenders like Minnesota, that's going to wear you
down. Yeah. And so
you got A.R., you got
LeBron, you even got Gabe
Vince to bring up. Go stand your ass in the
corner. And so take a break.
And for me, I look at
where he didn't know the plays and he was trying to get familiar.
They look so damn good because A.R.
come down. LeBron will come down. He'll come
down. And they were moving the basketball.
It was cut.
And they were just playing basketball.
They were playing instinctively.
But then I come down where he goes to that low thing.
He goes to the mid, go to the high post, and just back it down.
Dribble the clock out.
Yeah.
And it gets to a point where you think about all the energy LeBron had
because he wasn't bringing the ball up.
Yes.
So sometimes you have to get off the ball.
And I don't think Luka can do that because that's the only way he knows how to play.
And that's – you took the words right out of my mouth.
You see, it's easy because LeBron can play off the ball.
You put him in the dunker spot.
You put him in the high post.
You can throw it to him.
He can find somebody.
Luka needs the ball. Luka can't play.
Luka can't. His game hasn't evolved
yet to where he can play off the ball
like LeBron can. And I
think this is what's going to cause LeBron to play
another two more years, three more years
because he's off the ball
and he doesn't have that burden of bringing
it up, having to run the set, get everybody
else involved. Now he's like, hey,
y'all got Luka they are. Let me
shoot some spotter threes, put me
in that dunking spot so I can get the baseline
and lay it up a dunking.
Hey, you know what I like to see? I like to see him
just take him to the post because he
got so many post-up moves he can use
because it's about moving quick.
I even put him in an elbow situation.
We need to run some type of pinch post
and let him go to work. That's one, two dribbles to the hole.
You're dunking on people.
Right.
You know, it's efficiency of movement to me.
When you get to a certain age, do I need to take three steps, four steps, or five steps to be efficient?
No, I'm taking three because, I mean, I can save two from later on.
Yeah.
And for me, that's what he has to learn how to do.
Like, just go to the post.
You think about how long Tim Duncan played.
You know, he's a different type of player.
But LeBron has the ability to just take you to the post. You think about how long Tim Duncan played. You know he's a different type of player. But LeBron has the ability
to just take it to the post.
I'm going to jump hook you.
I'm going to do my little
fadeaway.
And that's all he has to do.
He's going to still average
about 24, 25 points like that
because he's that much better
than everybody else.
How many more years
do you think LeBron
is realistically going to play?
Because he said this every year
they get out of the playoffs.
He's like,
I don't know how much
longer I got.
And then he's like,
hey, he seems to be like a guy
he's gonna ride the train
till the wheel falls off
yeah
you know
the funny thing about LeBron
is he
he is such a big kid
and when you do young
and hard
and young and mild
like that
you can play a couple more years
I think when I hit
my 16th season
I feel like a whole fart
I didn't want to do it no more
mentally I was strong
I was done.
And so for him,
you think about how much,
when you watch him warm up,
I think every time I watch him warm up,
he's smiling, he's dancing,
every damn night.
And for me, I had nights where I'm like,
dude, I don't even want to be out here right now
because I'm hurting.
But he still has that love,
that joy, that energy.
And, you know,
I think he's probably going to play
like maybe three more years because he's going to wait to see. You think he'll be I think he's probably going to play like maybe three more years.
You think he's going to be 25?
He's going to wait to see what Bryce is going to do.
He was the first guy to play with 2-2,
his sons in the NBA.
So you're going to see what Bryce is going to do.
He's definitely going to look like he's going to set that record out there.
Ain't nobody going to break it.
Yeah.
You know, it's weird.
And nobody's going to break those records, man.
You know, the only person that can break a record like that
is someone who's coming straight out of high school, maybe scoring. You think, like, the way Lucas scores, but he ain's going to break those records, man. You know, the only person that can break a record like that is someone who's coming straight out
of high school, maybe scoring.
You think, like, the way Luka scores,
but he ain't going to make it that damn long.
Oh, no.
You think about who else could.
KD is not going to make it that much longer.
So nobody's ever going to.
These records are going to be,
they're going to be out of this world.
Ocho, you think JJ should have taken
a shot at Luka publicly?
I mean, I'm not sure if it was directed at Luka.
I think something like that should be kept in-house.
Who you talking about directed at?
But listen, especially something like that.
No, but me and Rob want to know who you think it was directed at.
It wasn't directed at Luka.
Yeah, I mean, you're right about that.
But listen, something like that, you keep in-house.
You hear me?
You hear me?
You and a few other Lakers and a head coach really taking a shot at you publicly.
I mean, you could have kept that in-house.
He could have talked about something else.
But I think he wanted to send a message.
He wanted to send a message, and that's the way he felt he wanted to send it.
Yeah, I think at this point in time, I mean, it's got to be.
You see what happened, and they were talking about that.
Nico, look, everybody fought Nico, but that was a Nico call.
That was an ownership call.
Yeah.
Because Nico, that ain't Nico's money.
$345, but not one penny was coming out of Nico's pocket.
They made that call.
And Nico obliged him and moved it and got, you know,
could they have gotten a bigger package?
Yeah, but they didn't want it to get out
because you start calling around teams
and that get out.
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
It's going to get back to Luka.
Listen, I tell you what.
Listen, if J.J. Redick and anyone else
in the Lakers organization,
you know, Ms. Buss, Brother Palenka,
and y'all got a problem with Luka not being in shape.
Now, listen, we got some good gems down in Miami.
We're getting together. We're getting together.
We're getting together in Miami.
Now, so think about that.
Luka, Giannis, and Ja Morant.
Nah, that ain't gonna work.
We could take all of them.
We got three ball-dominant guys.
That ain't working.
Hey, you know,
I'd trade Luka for a hero
and Bam,
give me number two.
I'd give you Luka.
Okay, okay, okay. Because now I got me a and Bam. Give me number two. I'll give you Luka. Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Because now I got me a big and I got me a shooter.
But you're going to keep AR?
It is.
AR and Hero basically the same guys.
Well, that's true.
But the thing about AR is you can use him to get you something else.
You can put him out there for something else.
But what I love about A.R. is that how he's grown.
He's gotten better every single year.
And if I didn't tell you, if you didn't know,
you would never know he was an undrafted free agent.
That's so true.
You know, the thing I like about A.R. is he learns from his mistakes.
And the one thing that I think he's going to sit back and now that I know that his toe was hurt,
that he wasn't aggressive enough for me.
When A.R. is going downhill, he's such a good player.
But when he's trying to think he's shifty with the rock and gets caught up and lose it,
that's not the A.R. I want to see. I think when you think about how many times when he gets you,
he just makes a direct line to the basket, pump face,
he gets you there, he gets to end one.
I don't even think he went to the free throw line the last two games
because he wasn't trying to get to the rack.
I don't know if it's because it had a lot to do with Minnesota's defense
because they're big and they're strong.
You watch how Ant-Man was just bullying him up the top,
not letting him get to his
position. So, for me,
he's going to have to learn
how to just keep it simple. What I mean by that
is I'm just going to take one, two dribbles, pull up.
I ain't always got to get to the rack. You know, I got
to fake you, pump fake you, this and go this way.
And it's about, like I said,
he fishes on the moon because if you really think about
AR, he's crafty, but he's
not quick with it.
No.
He's kind of like Luca.
He's just kind of slow with it.
He can get off because the defense is moving faster than you are.
So that's how you have to get those fouls.
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and say what you do
at your age.
I would tell them,
I'd say, you know what,
I know they got Slovenian food
that's nutritious,
but see, the problem is
he ain't in Slovenia.
You know, you come to America
and you try to eat native food,
we done added something to it.
It gets you having
a lot of house over here.
Look at Luka
his first couple years
when he got to the NBA. And look how
skinny he is.
And look, a lot
of those European players,
they don't have the bodies like an American player.
They're not going to have the caps on their shoulders and the
definition. Look at Jokic.
Look at Luka. Look at
Manu. Look at
Rozingas.
That's not how they're built.
But if you go back and look at Jokic when he first got in the league and how he looked now, you can tell he put time in.
He said, man, I ain't fit to be no fast lob.
Y'all ain't fit to be talking about me.
And now three MVPs and two run-ups later,
the guy is one of the historically great players of all time.
And that's because he made a concerted effort to get his butt in the gym, to watch his nutrition, to work, and to become what he became.
But I just think Luka just wears down because last year he had that same problem.
You know, he was dealing with a knee.
And the year before that, he had some issues going on.
I just think, you know, and it's hard
because the guy's giving you 28-8-8.
But, bro, I need you 100% for the playoff too.
Or it's close to it.
And I don't think he's nearly close to that,
especially this series here
because he moves like an old man.
But the thing about it
is he did lose weight
compared to when we first
got on the lake.
So he lost about 10 pounds,
so 20 pounds.
So we got to be thankful
he's going in the right direction.
Yeah, we got to go
in the right direction.
I'm surprised given that
knowing a lot of people
saying Luka, you know,
hookah Luka,
and you know, he drank and beer and he partying and he doesn't take it serious.
It's hard for me to say that he doesn't take it serious,
but do I think his conditioning could be better?
Yes, absolutely.
But I think he takes the game serious.
You don't get to be this good by not taking the game serious.
But I do think his conditioning and his nutrition can be more on point.
Yeah. I think for me, when I watch Luka, you know, I think he should do a lot of agility work in the summertime.
Working on his footwork, working on his flexibility.
Because a lot of his injuries are coming from just, you know, not being, you can tell he's not a flexible guy.
No.
You know, he needs to do yoga, Pilates or something all summer.
And because when you watch him move sometimes,
he stays in front of people and he's so big-bodied that he bounces off of them.
He just doesn't do it all the time. If he works on his footwork, he works on his feet and agility,
he can become a decent defender because he can do it.
He just don't want to.
No.
And the thing is that he's so good on the other end, Bob.
That's the problem.
He's so great offensively.
They're like, oh, we let somebody else.
Hey, we'll do four on five.
Y'all have that.
Don't even worry about it, Luka.
Because we see he get the man gave you a 60-20 triple-double.
He can give you a 40-point triple-double or a 50-point triple-double.
Like nothing.
But, yeah, I was surprised.
But let me ask you this.
Do you think, Nico, do you think Dallas was right about Luka but was wrong for the trade?
You know what?
It's right about Luka.
One of those questions you have to deep dive into the franchise and get to know Luka and how his stuff, you know what it's right about Luke would be one of those questions you have to deep dive into the franchise and get to know Luke
and how his stuff
you know
I always said
when he came into the season
he always came in fluffy
yes
and he never came in shape
and
that's one of the things
that you can tell
like when your back
started hurting
you know
you can go a couple years
remember AD
started the season
I was back with him
because he was fluffy
he wasn't in shape
and then he got then he got in and he played whatever the number game.
It's about what you do in the offseason.
It's about what you do in condition-wise and being prepared for the grind of the regular season.
And I think with Nico, I agree when you said it wasn't his call.
Because I just think when Nico messed up, the one line he messed up, he said, I didn't know how important
the local was.
But other than that, you should have just said,
yo, man, I know you can't throw the owners
under the bus and be like, yo, I think I'm doing
what I'm told to do. I work for someone
just like a lot of you guys do.
But I understand
where he was coming from because if you
really look at that team
and you look at what they had
with the addition of AD
I thought they had a position
to do something scary
because Kyrie
you forget how good Kyrie is
PJ Washington
and then
Gabbert
you know you got
yeah
but it was just
it was just
you know bad time
but I also think
with me
you know I love AD is one of my favorite players of all time.
But I think AD moving to the floor
and making him soft.
And what I mean by that is,
I'm not saying physically,
because it's making him not be aggressive.
You watch him in the last couple games
and playing games,
all he did was shoot threes.
And you're so effective.
Think about when he was in New Orleans,
they gave him the pinch post.
He was doing spinning,
dunking on people,
shooting threes,
setting you up.
But once he said he wanted to be,
I know he had
Boogie.
Boogie with him.
But it was like,
he didn't play the same way.
He didn't shoot a lot of threes.
And so for me,
it's making him soften
in the sense that
I'm going to settle.
When I say soften,
it means settle
instead of like
going to the rack,
trying to get to the feet of the line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, look, because Luka is so great, because he was so beloved.
I mean, they drafted a kid.
He was 18 when he got there.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's hard for me to believe, Nico, you was a marketing guy for Nike.
You understand who does what and who moves the needle.
Ain't nobody had to tell you that.
You know exactly.
You know what Shea means to OKC.
You know what Jason Tatum means to Boston.
You know what Jalen Brunson means to the Knicks.
And Jalen Brunson got traded to the Knicks.
Shea got traded to OKC.
So you talk about a homegrown.
Kobe, homegrown.
Trey LeBron at 25.
You're going to cross the hallway
what Dirk meant to that team.
So I agree with you.
I agree with you, Bob.
I don't know about that.
I'll just say, yeah.
Hey, guys, we're going to move it on.
I mean, Luka's not here anymore.
We got Anthony Davis.
We're going to add some more pieces. Kyairi got hurt that's what really made it look
bad kairi got hurt so hey we get kairi they probably gonna try to make a run for kd because
kd probably gonna be up out of phoenix and now we might be having a different story
august the second the lakers can offer luca a four-year $229 million extension. Or Luka could opt to sign a three-year $165 million extension
with a player option in 2028,
which would then allow him to sign a max deal in 2028
that gave him 35% of the salary cap for the next five seasons.
What you doing, Rob?
You taking the four years at $229 million,
three years at 165
with a player option,
and then at 28?
Let me go and get that 400.
All right.
I'm taking the four years.
You want that money?
You want that guarantee?
You want that guarantee, buddy?
I want that guaranteed money now
and deal with it then.
You know, hey,
but think about it.
So many guys,
in this day and age, you take the four years. Hey, I want to reneg now and deal with it then. You know, hey, but think about it. So many guys, in this day and age, you take the four years.
Hey, I want to renegotiate my contract.
Oh, I want to be traded.
You know, there's so many things you can do.
So I'm taking the four years because I don't want to trust my body.
When you think about how many injuries he's gotten,
I have to go with the money now because you see IT, what happened to him.
You see what happened to so many guys who bet on themselves.
Right.
And they buy to fail on them.
So I'm taking the money.
What you doing on Joe?
You taking the money or you going to play side three years?
What to do with the option?
And then go to the table and say, let me get that five.
Let me get that five for, you got five for uh 400 in there for me i mean well well
i'm gonna take that three because i if i'm i'm betting on my body and i'm only betting on my
body because i ain't never been hurt so probably i'm gonna play another three seasons not get hurt
and go back to the table and hit him across the head that's just me but understanding luca and
his injury history and um it seemed, I mean, no disrespect
in any way, it seemed like his body continued
to deteriorate, especially towards the end of the
season. I'm expecting something like
that to continue to happen, because as you get older,
it don't get better. No.
It don't get better, so, you know,
unless you're LeBron.
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
But listen, what Luka can do,
what Luka can do is he can take that three
if he adapts and does everything LeBron does
when it comes to taking care of your body.
Right.
Now, then you can take that three and bet on yourself.
But what are the chances of him actually doing everything LeBron does
when it comes to taking care of your body
and preparing yourself in the offseason?
But, you know, we always say that you need to get with LeBron.
But, you know, we got to also think that, you know, LeBron got great genetics.
For sure.
That too.
You know, we can just say, oh, you're giving LeBron.
It's like all of us can go in the gym and shoot a thousand jumpers.
You know, we can do it for a whole week.
Exactly.
It's going to come out this shoot like Steph Curry.
He can come and shoot 10 a day.
It's still going to be better than that.
It's just, you know, sometimes, you know, the man above,
God gives you talents.
God gives you the genetics.
And so you can tell Luka to do all that.
But if the body don't act right, the body don't act right.
LeBron says, it ain't my job to worry about Luka's future with the Lakers.
LeBron told ESPN, nope, that ain't my job.
I don't think.
I don't think.
I know Luka knows how I feel about him,
and ultimately the trade happened for the future.
That's not for me.
Luka has to decide what he has to do with his future.
He's 26 years old.
I'm 40, so he can't be basing on his career off me.
That's just real.
But I hope, obviously, he stays long-term.
Laker fans effing love him here.
L.A. has accepted him.
We love him as a teammate, as a brother.
But ultimately, he's got to make a decision
for him-ish.
I ain't going around
being, I ain't going to be around much longer.
Probably going to be out there
another two, three years. Watch.
Yep. Watch.
And you think about this,
LeBron at,
you know,
at 60%, even 30%
is probably better
than half the league.
That's how good he is.
Yeah.
And I think,
you know,
I think Luka,
the things he's doing
around the city so far,
you know,
think about what just happened
with the defacing
of the Kobe Monroe
and he donating the money.
You know,
I think he's trying to do exactly what he did in Dallas.
Let him know that he wants to be a part of the community and do as much
that he can say,
Hey,
I know you guys are paying me a shit ton of money.
I'm just going to be here for you guys and try to give back the best way I
can.
So I feel like Luca,
unless,
you know,
the Joker said,
Hey,
let's play together.
He'll be, he'll be in a Laker uniform.
I like it.
I think the
Joker's the only person that probably could
get him to say, come on, let's go play together.
Per The Athletic,
people close to LeBron aren't ruling out
the possibility of him finishing his career elsewhere.
Ron, back to the land.
If the Cavaliers don't make it to the conference finals his career elsewhere. LeBron, back to the land. If the Cavaliers
don't make the Eastern Conference Finals, could we see LeBron
coming home one last time?
One time. One more time to finish his
career. No. I don't see it.
He loves everything about L.A.
Savano loves
everything about L.A.
His daughter was in dance class
here. She got everything going on that way.
He, you know, he's really I think he's realizing the importance of you know, his kids and the His daughter was in dance class here. She got everything going on that way.
I think he's realizing the importance of his kids and the direction they're going and how much they're enjoying.
He ain't going back to Cleveland.
Now, he might go there and sign and say he retired.
Yeah, that wasn't their contract.
Yeah, but I don't believe he goes back.
Go back and do what?
You playing with Luka.
You playing with Luka.
Go back and sit on it.
He got to come off the bench.
I'm like, because that's starting to follow.
I'm going to be like, yo, man, we just won a chip.
You ain't moving us out the way.
Yeah, I agree with you.
I don't see him going back.
I mean, they keep saying that, but I think LeBron really loves the Lakers.
I really think he loves living in L.A.
I think he loves all things L.A.
The weather is nice year-round.
He don't really have to have an overcoat.
You know, you can have a top-down down there year-round.
You got water.
You got beaches.
I mean, everything, his businesses are in L.A.
There's really nothing for him not to like about L.A.
And he's making a lot of movies, right?
Yeah.
He's doing a lot of that stuff.
Yeah, his production company, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, that's going on.
So he's in the perfect place, you know.
And he played with the Lakers.
Yeah.
I mean, Shaq is really the only one I can remember that came here and left.
Kareem didn't leave.
Wilt didn't leave. Kobe didn. Kareem didn't leave. Wilt didn't leave.
Kobe didn't leave.
Magic didn't leave.
Normally, when you get in.
Shaq didn't want to leave.
He was just forced out.
Who that?
Shaq didn't want to leave.
He was just forced out.
Shaq wanted his money.
Yeah.
Hey, when I was in the Lakers, I didn't want to leave either,
but I was forced out.
You don't want to leave the Lakers, man.
Yeah, but I agree. I think, and don't want to leave the Lakers, man. Yeah, but, yeah, I agree.
I think, and plus, you know, the kids are here.
I mean, it's a short trek for him to go over to shoot over to Arizona to see Bryce,
to go way back to Cleveland.
Zuri, his youngest daughter, his only daughter, the youngest, is in school here
to uproot her and leave her friends.
I think Savannah has, like, carved out her own niche here in L.A.
Yeah, I just don't see it.
I know it sounds good.
I mean, hey, you know, those close to LeBron, Ocho, I just don't see it, though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He ain't going nowhere.
What you think?
He'll be right here for a minute.
I say he ain't going nowhere.
Honestly, I know he kept his place in Ohio and he can always jet back,
but I think California is going to be his home base.
I think California is where he's going to reside.
When it's all said and done, LeBron James will be a California.
He's not a native, obviously.
He grew up in Akron, Ohio.
He played a lot of years in Cleveland.
But think about it.
He's going to almost double up the amount of time that he played in Miami
here in L.A.
Yeah, most definitely.
I think also it's too many moving parts.
It's too many moving parts in L.A. for him to go back to Akron.
Obviously, having a place there, being that that's where you grew up,
he will still always have ties there.
But as far as from a business standpoint and everything he has going on,
I'd assume it would make more sense obviously to stay
here in LA yeah bigger market
yeah I mean but you know
he's the type of guy that he don't really
he is the market
true
there's a lot more connections out here than there is in
Cleveland
because there's nothing that
you can't do in LA
I mean hey pick up the phone I don't think he wants Because there's nothing that you can't do in L.A.
I mean, hey, pick up the phone.
I don't think he wants to go back to that cold.
I don't think Savannah wants to go back to the cold.
I mean, once you get used to that warm weather, it's hard for you to go back.
If you live in Florida, if you live in L.A., if you live in some warm weather and say, you know, yeah, I think I want to go live in New York.
I want to live in Philly.
I want to live in Massachusetts.. I want to live in Massachusetts.
Once them old bones get used to that warm weather,
I'm here for the long haul.
Once you step out there and that cold just hits you in the face one time,
it's like, nah, I'm good.
Yeah, I'm good.
Yeah, but I don't see him going back there either.
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SGL only being traded by the Clippers will on his mind if LA advances and play the Thunder. They did motivate
me a long time ago. I haven't thought about
them in years, though. I can't
hold, I guess you can say,
grudges forever in life.
What you think, Rock?
When you got traded, did you hold a
grudge against anybody when you got traded?
I know, because
I knew it was just business.
And I was mad at the Rocks when they traded him to terrible-ass Phoenix.
But other than that, I was excited as hell when Phoenix traded me to the Lakers.
So, no, that was great for me.
But I think when you look at it, I think getting traded to OKC was a better situation for him.
Yes.
Because he wasn't going to be the head of
the snake. No.
So he was never going to be able to flourish.
Yeah, so he put him in the
perfect position. He got those picks. He got
guys that came in that was like
a similar attitude,
similar the way he is.
And he's been able to flourish because sometimes
guys can be great players
but they're getting held back
by having to play behind
this player or that player.
So that was perfect for him.
And he was able to show
everybody like, oh.
And everybody's sitting back
like, damn,
Clips fucked up.
But you got to think about
it was for Paul George.
And Paul George at the time
was the man.
All the NBA players.
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
What you going to say, Ocho?
I was going to say, I was going to say, even going to say, even if he was there with Kawhi,
you're saying the SGA wouldn't be able to be who he was
just because he's paired with Kawhi?
Yeah, he got to be the guy.
You see what happened?
You see what they did?
They got him and then they built around him.
They were looking to build around Kawhi.
He needs the ball.
Yeah.
Because if you watch SGA,
he has a lot of guys on his team that love him
and they know what
the exact thing to do.
And they sit back
and let him work.
You know, when you think
about Kawhi, Kawhi is a guy,
you know, even though
you got James Harden over there,
you don't never know
what you're going to get out of James
because sometimes James
wants to shoot,
sometimes he doesn't.
But at the end of the day, it's Kawhi.
And I think also that's why Paul George
never really looked that good as a Clipper
when he did when he was a Pacer
because he was, you know, deferring to Kawhi.
And, you know, we forget sometimes
Kawhi is one of the best players in this game
when he's healthy.
And so it's hard not to defer to Kawhi.
It is.
And, you know, Kawhi got there.
And here's the thing.
Kawhi said, if you don't trade for Paul George, I'm going to the Lakers.
The last thing the Clippers could have, you can't have Anthony Davis,
LeBron James, and Kawhi Leonard on one team in that building
while you're in the basement.
So they had no choice.
So you do that, and then you watch him him and you're like, well, damn.
What could have been?
But I don't know.
I don't know if SGA would have developed into the player that he's become
now.
Had he been there?
So he got an opportunity.
Because the thing was that you remember Rob, Chris Paul was there.
Yep. You remember Rob, Chris Paul was there. Yeah.
So he got an opportunity to learn how to play the position from the point guard.
Yeah. And he took off, and he had to look back.
And now he's, you know, you can make a case he's top one,
top best point guard in the league.
He and Luka battle out him, Luka and Steph. But it's hard to say you're going to say there's another point guard that's league. He and Luca, he and Luca battle out him,
Luca and Steph,
but it's hard to say,
you're going to say there's another point guard that's better than those three.
Whoever's won,
it's out of that,
it's out of those three.
Yeah.
Right.
Unless you want,
unless you consider Steph a point guard.
Yeah,
Steph,
Luca,
and Shea.
Yeah.
I mean,
I look at Steph more than the two,
me personally,
I look at Steph and James Harden
as two guards that, you know, that can pass.
But I guess because you grew up with it.
We grew up in there where the point guard was Magic Johnson.
The point guard was Isaiah Thomas.
So, you know, guys like that, they were true point guards.
They weren't trying to go get 30, 40, or 50.
These point guards today, they try to light you up for 40 or 50.
It's like, no,
you play,
I will give you the ball when I can't shoot
and you just be ready
for me to kick it to you.
That's one thing.
I only had a chance
to play with Jason Kidd
for two games
when I was in Phoenix.
Damn!
You ain't even had no coffee.
I know.
Hey, he had just got traded to us
and the weird part is
I look at my career
high school
college
I never played
with a true point guard
for that one moment
you should have seen me
man I was hitting the lanes
getting left
looking up the ball
was right where I wanted
to catch it
man
I was like
and it goes to show you
if you got a point guard
he's going to make you so if you've got a point guard,
he's going to make you so much better.
And J.K. made, man,
the two games, man,
I probably could have been
an all-star.
Well, then, whatever.
You should have behaved
your damn self
and kept that towel
around your neck.
Hey, I'll be only having
two rings instead of seven then.
Hey, you knew it damn well
how to get up out of Phoenix,
didn't you?
Oh, yeah.
You know what the real part was?
You know, Danny Ainge became the coach.
You know, Danny Ainge, I didn't like him from the moment I got there.
Damn, Rob, you didn't get a man to change.
No, you know, we had just finished a tough series against Phoenix.
Okay.
You remember the inbound play when he rears back and hits Mario in the face with the ball, point blank range?
Yes, yes.
You know, Mario, my boy,
me and Mario close.
And then we walking down,
we get the things,
we walking in the hall
and Danny Ains says
to Sam Cassell and I,
like, you know I hit Mario
in the face with the ball
on purpose, right?
He acted like it was a mistake.
I'm like, man, fuck you.
From that moment on,
I never liked it.
Okay.
And he was just
an assistant coach then.
And then when Cotton stepped down,
he became the head coach.
And from that moment on,
he was like,
he was like,
he didn't start me when we went back to Houston.
He didn't play me.
And then we traded away Michael Philly and AC Green
and said,
well,
you're going to get more minutes.
My minutes went down.
And so I was hot,
man.
I was like,
cause I was in,
we was in Boston.
I just made it three, got a dunk, got a steal. And I look over, he subbed me in the first three minutes of the game. I was hot, man. I was like, because I was in Boston. I had just made a three,
got a dunk, got a steal.
And I look over,
he subbed me in the first
three minutes of the game.
I was like, man, fuck you.
I was hot, man.
So I was hot.
So, hey,
they were going to release me
and I was going to go back to Houston.
I'm like, okay,
you're going to release me.
I'm going back to playing Houston.
But they cut,
they sent me to the Lakers
and what better place to be?
The rest is history.
Let me ask you a question.
Have you seen Danny Ainge?
Have you had a conversation with Danny Ainge since that moment?
No.
Last conversation I had with Danny Ainge was after he said,
oh, we trading you to L.A. for Sergio Sabaz,
and I probably just won you another championship.
That's what he said to me.
That's the last conversation I had with him.
He did. Don't plan to talk to him. Don't want he said to me. That's the last conversation I had with him.
He did.
Don't plan to talk to him.
Don't want to talk to him.
Uh-oh.
Oh, Joe.
Tonight's blockbuster boxing card was supposed to be the end with an official announcement.
Ryan Garcia versus Devin Haney.
The rematch, October.
But Rolando Roley Romero ripped up that script.
Garcia lost in a stunner to Romero ripped up that script. Garcia lost
in a stunner to Romero after
an early knockdown. Romero claimed
the WBA welterweight title
with the unanimous decision upset
over Garcia at the iconic
Times Square in New York.
Ocho, what happened?
Man, listen. Ryan Garcia
was supposed to win the fight. He'd done a lot
of talking. talking obviously we saw
what he did to Devin Haney
last time they fought
he dominated Haney
in that fight
obviously
testing for
an illegal substance
whatever it may have been
I think if he wasn't
on the substance
I think he still
may have won that fight
based on the way he looked
but tonight
listen Ryan Garcia
if you're a betting man
Ryan Garcia
was your favorite
to win the fight tonight
against Roley but listen Ryan Garcia landed more punches but romero getting a knockdown
and obviously winning the fight um and getting the decision it was to me it was shocking it was
shocking to me because roley has somewhat of an awkward style of fighting and to me i think ryan
garcia is the better pure boxer.
And I thought he would probably win tonight,
especially with that dangerous left hook that he has.
But it didn't go that way.
It didn't go that way.
Roley had a good fight.
Now I think Roley now has a chance to actually fight Devin Haney.
Yeah.
And I think the rematch against Ryan Garcia is probably out the window because of this loss from Garcia.
So, I mean, I'm excited.
I'm excited.
And Devin Haney looked a little different tonight.
He looked very cautious after what happened to him when he fought Ryan Garcia.
He was very cautious.
He won the fight.
He was on his bicycle a lot, really counterpunching and throwing punches in spurts
and not being the fighter he should be at this point in his career.
He won the fight.
He didn't do it in the fashion we'd like to see, especially if you're a boxing fan like myself.
So I really look forward to Rody Romero and Demi Haney getting in the ring.
All right.
It's time for our last segment of the evening.
It's time for Q and A.
Paul,
the shot caller in 1999 says,
question is,
the real question is,
can Rob Palenka build a team around Luca?
Because he was good.
He was in a good situation in Dallas when he left.
And Rob has shown he can't build a team,
man.
I said it this once and I'll say it
again. If Lucas stayed in Dallas,
we would have been back in the finals.
We had a great squad this year.
You think that's true?
Nah.
I personally don't think it's true because
I think you
caught a lightning in the bottle last
year and sometimes you think you can do a repeat.
You think about the way everybody on that team was playing.
Kyrie, PJ, the bench was coming out playing exceptional.
I don't think they had the same amount of juice.
I think you think about if Minnesota doesn't switch, they go to the finals.
That's that one possession right there.
And for me, I just don't think they had enough.
Plus, you look at the West.
The West was too damn good.
You're going to find someone that's going to beat you.
What'd you think, Ocho?
Listen, Rob talked about it earlier.
Them getting to the finals because of those bigs.
Down there, any mistakes Luka had,
they were always there to counter that and to
make up for it. I think if the Lakers
in some kind of way, we talked about
it this season, them not having a big, hell,
get two bigs for that matter.
That can help out in some
way, form
or fashion. And I think the Lakers will be
alright this upcoming season.
Squirrelly Reseller said, Jokic says
he wants to play with Luka and LeBron.
Can't Rob and JJ make that happen? No.
Hey,
I don't know. If you watch
Joker on the bench,
and you know, Mike Malone got fired,
it's a lot of stuff going on. I know
they can't do it, but
I want to know.
So which one.
So.
So it's a.
LeBron would have to waive his no trade.
And then I don't think Rob is going to trade Luca to Denver.
Because Denver damn sure not letting Jokic go.
Because Jokic is lying to sign a three year,
two hundred twenty two million dollar deal.
Yeah.
He ain't going nowhere.
Huh?
If Joker say,
if Joker say I don't want to be here no say, I don't want to be here no more,
he don't want to be here no more.
Let me ask you a question.
If Joker say,
send me to LA,
I want to go to LA.
Three years, 220.
Who run the league?
Who run the league?
The players?
The players?
Okay, there it is.
Watch when he signed
that extension this year,
three years,
$221 million.
That'll tell you
that he's not going to LA.
And you also have to think about, if you're Denver,
what do you want off the Lakers team?
Yeah, LeBron's going to be, you got Jokic for at least another five years,
you ain't going to have LeBron like that.
Yeah.
And it's a difference if, you know, the Lakers are OKC
and they got about 50 first-round picks.
They got like, what, one?
If that? Right. So they got about 50 first round picks. They got like, what, one? If that?
Right.
So,
they got to come up
with something.
And I think,
it's kind of screwy
what the deal is now
is you can only,
like,
I don't know the technical
terms to it,
but when you
got to match the monies up now,
it's not just like
five players for one.
So,
it'd be kind of hard
to trade him.
J.W. Akron, Ocho, you say, y, you say you won't face a gorilla with 99 other men,
but you'll face a human silverback at the Octagon one-on-one.
He's going to do the same thing to you.
One punch.
I mean, the fact that you're comparing an actual human being
that puts his pants on one leg at a time like I do to a silverback
is the problem with society right now. That's the problem. You see somebody with size,
you see somebody with strength, you see somebody that scares you with the naked eye and you get
nervous. Come on, man. This is me. I'm going to beat the shit out of James Harrison, man. Stop.
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