Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Lamar locking down MVP, Ja’Marr & Tee, Penix first win

Episode Date: December 28, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 16 of the NFL season including Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry and the Baltimore Ravens clinching a playoff spot wi...th a victory over Russell Wilson and the Pittsburgh Steelers, Cincinnati bengals WR Ja’marr Chase tells Tee Higgins they are “stuck together and locked in for life,” Michael Penix Jr. gets the win in his first start for the Atlanta Falcons against the New York Giants 24-7 and much more!03:10 - Sam Darnold was a big surprise12:30 - Ravens vs. Steelers19:10 - Myles Garrett gives the Browns an ultimatum24:00 - Bengals business with Ja’Marr Chase and Tee Higgins28:30 - Are the Falcons gonna cut Kirk Cousins?36:26 - They’re not looking at the Madden ratings38:10 - Atlanta has a new starting quarterback: Michael Penix Jr.43:00 - Fans panic over Tyreek Hill social media post(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:26 Sam Dahl has been phenomenal the entirety of the season. Listen, that wasn't on my bingo card. I'm just going to be honest with you. I'm going to be honest with you. That was not on my bingo card. Is he eligible for comeback? Is Sam Darnold eligible for comeback? Who else did they give it to?
Starting point is 00:03:43 Who else did they give it to? You have to because you're not expecting it. You've seen him be a starter in New York. You've seen him be a starter. He's ineligible. Because he didn't come back from Illidan. Because after they gave it to Joe Flacco, people got upset. They're like, hold on.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Joe didn't come back from nothing. He just came back off the damn couch. Come on, man. I understand. But listen, I understand. You got to move the goalpost a little bit when it comes to the... What's the word I'm looking for?
Starting point is 00:04:14 To the... Damn, what's the word? Anyway, hey, chat. Sam Donald deserves comeback player of the year. Whether he's coming back from an injury, whether he's coming back From playing bad We've seen what he looked like When he was in Carolina
Starting point is 00:04:27 We saw what he looked like When he was with the New York Jets Yeah The way he played The way he played this year, man He's deserving of that award I don't care What the pre-recorded
Starting point is 00:04:37 May be To win it Man, forget that He deserves Nah, Ocho You can't come back From playing bad You're just some sauce You gotta come Ocho. You can't come back from playing bad. You just some sauce.
Starting point is 00:04:46 You got to come back from an illness. You got to come back from a major injury. Like Adrian Peterson. Like Teddy Bruschi. Like Tom Brady. You know, you got to come back. Well, nobody's in contention to win that award because nobody's playing that damn well that's coming off any type of injury or illness. So this year, we need to just give the award to goddamn sam don now i don't know who i
Starting point is 00:05:09 need to talk to i don't know who's soapbox i need to stand on and who i need to send a letter of recommendation to for sam don but i will do so i'm trying to think who's even eligible that I can think of off the top of my head a quarterback or a running back the fact that you have to think lets you know who needs to win it it is right there I got to pee pee real quick uh hell if that's the case what you call him gonna win it
Starting point is 00:05:40 Joe Burrow Joe Burrow had torn ligaments in his wrist. So, I mean, if I had to vote, that's who I'm voting for because he is coming back off of something. Coming back because you
Starting point is 00:05:55 lack of a better term suck, that ain't overcoming something. That's overcoming your own bad play. That's not an injury. That's not an illness. I thinke burrow would would will will probably win that award considering he missed what five six games last year and he's coming back and he's leading the league in touchdown passing uh passes he's leading the league and and and and uh passing yardage uh yeah it's for me that's who i think would win it I would definitely give it to him
Starting point is 00:06:25 okay yeah J.K. Dobbins hell he out again so he might be L.A. before next year he might be L.A. before next year but I get why they doing it this way because Joe Burrow got it and all he did was come off his couch he didn't come off an injury or anything like that and it's like
Starting point is 00:06:42 that's not what coming back from because that's the case. There are a lot of guys that suck one year and play really well the next year. But that's not what the award was intended for. Joe Burrow's going to win this award. You know that, right? Joe.
Starting point is 00:06:55 You remember Joe Burrow hurt his wrist last year? Yeah. He missed six games? Okay. Now, you still think Sam Darnold's gonna get that shouldn't get that award don't try to put joe in this don't try to put joe in this conversation if there's a conversation you want to have and you want to use joe burrow's name it needs to be the mvp conversation not no comeback player of the year we used to see
Starting point is 00:07:18 play great where did joe did joe burrow overcoming it i know that did he finish the season last year it's a simple question it's a simple yes or simple no I understand. Did he finish the season last year? It's a simple question. It's a simple yes or a simple no. Did Joe Burrow finish the season for the Cincinnati Basics last year? So, therefore, he would have been a player that overcame injury or an illness. Now, what was the injury or the illness that Sam Donald overcame to make himself eligible for this award? The illness is having to pay for the Jets organization.
Starting point is 00:07:48 He wasn't with the Jets. He was with the 49ers. He was a backup. Okay, let's try again. The Panthers organization then. He wasn't on the Panthers. That was two years ago. He was on the 49ers on the backup role.
Starting point is 00:08:00 Again, let's try again. You know what the goddamn the the the the mental i'm trying to think of a word to use to help sam that sam out right here and i can't think of an argument i can't think of an argument that lets you know right there you got it there you go okay if there's an mip if you want to say most improved player but only that's the only ambassador right you don't have it right listen i'm trying to figure out an argument for him but i i can't right now i can't oh you're gonna figure out an argument
Starting point is 00:08:38 for sam donald oh with joe burn for comeback player yeah because i'm not i don't listen we're used to seeing joe play great in the regards. We're not saying, oh, all of a sudden he came back from injury. He's not the most improved because we're used to seeing him play like this. That's why. But there's not the most improved. It's comeback. Comeback, in the definition of the bylaws,
Starting point is 00:08:58 you must come back from an injury or an illness. You still haven't told me the injury or the illness that Sam Darnold overcame at the end of the study. Well the injury or the illness that Sam Donald overcame. The illness is having to be a backup for some horrendous teams. What, being a backup for the 49ers is a bad job? No, no, I didn't say that. I'm just saying the two before that,
Starting point is 00:09:16 the previous ones before that. You don't get all of it. Wait a minute. So you want to jump two years, three years. Listen. And says, okay, he's still overcoming. That stuff takes a mental toll on you.
Starting point is 00:09:31 That stuff takes a mental toll on you. Can you imagine the dysfunction you had to deal with back to back in two different places? Then all of a sudden you get the sunshine over in San Francisco where things are okay, but you don't get to see the field. You don't get to show them what you can do. Well, I'll give
Starting point is 00:09:48 it to Bryce Young then. How about that? Bryce Young won one game. He's looking good, though. He's looking good. We get that in a minute, but that's a good argument. I mean, you don't want to give it over to Bryce? Hold on. Check this out.
Starting point is 00:10:04 He won one game last year, and he got benched during the season this year. Damn. Hey, you know, there's a chance, you know, that – I don't know. There's a chance. I'm going to give it to Ricky. Ricky Pearsall got shot. Take Dale got shot.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Come on. Come on. You don't think that's over? Come on. Something. Somebody put some hot water in your eyes. Hey, come on. That got to be something.
Starting point is 00:10:44 No, man. That don be something man that don't count that don't count hey listen sam is playing so well i think he's played himself he's played himself into a a good contract with another team but i don't think i don't think the vikings let him go i don't think the vik Vikings let him go simply because of the uncertainty in J.J. McCarthy going to be healthy and ready to go when he gets back isn't there another situation where it could be like a Kirk Cousins and a Michael Pitting Jr. do we secure Sam Darnold and knowing what he gives you if McCarthy happens to go down again I mean you yeah you winning the best 100-plus million, guaranteed,
Starting point is 00:11:28 because you see what it is. And I tried to tell you, and you said no. Now, Cousins made $62 million this year. He's going to make another $38 million next year to get him at $100 million. Now, they're not going to pick up that roster bonus because they didn't pick up the roster bonus. They'd have had to insure the rest of it, which would have made $180 million. So now, he's going to
Starting point is 00:11:50 be in for the rust. You okay with that? And I tried it, and I said, Ocho, at best case scenario, Cousins gives you two years. That's the absolute best case. And you're paying them $100 million. But what happens if he gives you one?
Starting point is 00:12:08 And you're still looking for $100 million. It was one you're hoping. Your fingers are crossed. Your fingers are crossed. And it didn't work. It didn't work out how we thought it would. We didn't get the Kirk Cousins that we thought we were going to get. We saw him. Oh, we did. We got the first
Starting point is 00:12:23 half. But there's a five-game stretch when you got the Kirk Cousins that we know he could potentially be also. But when he was on, he was on. But when he's off, oh, he off. I'm talking about he off. Yeah, yeah. When he's off, yeah. Hide the women and children because, hey, he about to pull his pants down.
Starting point is 00:12:44 It ain't pretty. It was bad. It was really, really bad. The Baltimore Ravens defeated the Pittsburgh Steelers by the score of 34-17. They clinched a playoff spot, moved one game. Now they win. Pittsburgh lose. They take over sole possession of the AFC South.
Starting point is 00:13:03 The two teams are tied atop the division at 10-5, heading into the final two weeks of the regular season. The Ravens stressed ball security all week, turning the ball over 19 times in the past nine games against the Steelers. Today, it was the Ravens that forced the takeaways. They forced a pick six. Marlon Humphrey picked Russell Wilson after Mika Fitzpatrick had picked Lamar Jackson. And then Russell Wilson, I don't know why he didn't slide because Russell normally slides.
Starting point is 00:13:33 But oh, yeah, got into a situation. He thought he could run the guy over and the guy walked in and the ball popped out because they're going in to score a touchdown. And now you don't even get any points out of that drive. Right. They take the ball and go back down the field the other way. Right. But the Ravens played really good today. Yeah, very, very.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Hey, Chad. Hold on. Did y'all notice anything today? Oh, I didn't notice anything today. How many? How many carries? How many? 24 carries.
Starting point is 00:14:01 About 62. Ooh. 24 carries. Now, guess how many throws Lamar Jackson had. How many? 23. 24 carries, above 62. 24 carries. Now, guess how many throws Lamar Jackson had? How many? 23. Hey, one.
Starting point is 00:14:14 You can tell Unc didn't watch the highlights. Unc ain't watching no games. Yeah. Unc has watched a thousand games. And Unc understands how the game goes. That guy in the backfield makes the game a lot easier for Lamar. Yeah. Because now he's shooting fish in a barrel.
Starting point is 00:14:29 You know why? Because when he sticks that ball in that number two, two belly and he pulls it out, all of a sudden them safeties running down here because it's very hard to stop six foot two, 245 pounds with a light box. Especially when it's going, I'm coming down here now. You,
Starting point is 00:14:44 you want, you want, you want somebody that big, you want them going east to west. And if they're going east to west, it's okay. You got a chance. But once he's coming downhill, man, listen, may God be with you. But you know what, Ocho? They did something different. They actually put him in the offset. And he did a lot of rolling back.
Starting point is 00:15:02 Uh-huh. The ball going one way, and he ran it back. But give that Ravens offensive line credit. They did an outstanding job today. Because you're talking about a team that gives up 94 yards a game rushing. And today, they ran the ball 38 times for 220 yards. Yeah, really well. Listen, I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:15:22 I might be wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong. Ash, if anybody that can hear me in the back, I think Lamar against the Steelers, he might have been one in three, maybe one in four. Yeah. Something like that against the Steelers. So this is one of his first times winning and winning in convincing fashion in somewhat of a playoff atmosphere. This is what it would be like. This would be like, obviously, I wouldn't say you would be playing the Steelers, but still, a game of this magnitude where everything needs to go right. Yeah. Everything needs to go right. Offensively, defensively, they play very, very well.
Starting point is 00:15:50 And for Lamar, obviously, kudos to him as well. I think he has 36, 37 touchdowns, passes. Yeah, I think he has 37 and another three rushing. So he has 40 touchdowns with four interceptions. He has a couple of fumbles. But he has fewer than eight turnovers with 40 interceptions. Now, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:16:08 Now everybody keeps saying with those numbers, y'all didn't say those numbers last year because Lamar Jackson had 23 touchdowns and eight interceptions. Y'all said it was the record. Look at his team. Now y'all want to flip it because y'all got the better numbers and y'all don't want to look at the record. So what are we doing?
Starting point is 00:16:24 Is it record? Because y'all make it seem like josh allen got 22 yards passing i just go by what y'all said because last year when lamar jackson had 23 passing touchdowns ocho and eight interceptions they said lamar was the mvp because look at the record shannon isn't it about winning or is it about stats? I just want to know. Buffalo's record, is it about winning or is it about stats? I'm just asking, Chad. Y'all enlighten me. Well, listen, it depends on who you ask.
Starting point is 00:16:55 It depends on who you ask. Your answer's going to change. Depending on who you ask, the goal post is going to move too now. That's a gold line. I mean, I thought the field was 100 yards. Y'all used to 150 now. Damn, I wonder why it didn't score. Can I ask you a question? you know, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,
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Starting point is 00:17:09 it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, know how you grade it who is your mvp be be honest be honest with yourself and you know take the favoritism out even if it is your team yeah who you pee um
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Starting point is 00:22:24 but he doesn't want to be a part of the Browns if they're in a rebuild mode. Garrett said, I'm not trying to rebuild. I'm trying to win right now. And I want that to be apparent when the season is over and we have those discussions. I want them to be able to illuminate or illustrate that for me so that I can see something
Starting point is 00:22:40 I can see in the near future because that's all I want to do. I want to stay loyal to the team that showed loyalty to me and faith in me by drafting me. But we have to do at the end of the day what's best for us. Garrett, a five-time Pro Bowler, a three-time All-Pro, has played in just three postseason games. Two of them came in 2020 when the Browns earned their first playoff win since 1994. And again last season in a lopsided 45-14 loss to the Houston Texans. Hey, I like the ultimatums.
Starting point is 00:23:15 I like the ultimatum. Basically, that's all it is at this point. If we're in a rebuilding stage, if we don't find a resolution at the quarterback position, please do right by me so I can have a chance to compete at the playoffs and for a Lombardi trophy. Allow me to go to a team that's going to be in contention. Where would that be? I should have had my name on the back. Why I ain't get the name on the back of my shirt?
Starting point is 00:23:45 I need my name on the back of the thing? I need my name on the back of the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back of the thing. Absolutely. You get your name stitched on there. Yeah, I want to get my name on the back. They might not recognize who I am if I don't got my name on it. I understand
Starting point is 00:24:09 this frustration, but let me ask you a question, Ojo. How close do you think the Bengals, the Browns are to be a legitimate team that can ultimately reach the destination that Miles wants to get there? Can I be honest with you?
Starting point is 00:24:27 The Browns have a very good defense. Yeah. They have a very, very good defense. I know. Let me... You don't win with defense. You win, but you better be a quarterback away for what? The past 30, 40 years. They are
Starting point is 00:24:42 a quarterback away. I'm not just talking about any quarterback. I'm talking about a CJ Stroud. I'm talking about a Jayden Daniels, you know, a passion. Well, and you know, passion,
Starting point is 00:24:49 my home coming along. No time. Let me stop right there. But, uh, no, Burrow Lamar Jackson, a Josh Allen from competing,
Starting point is 00:24:58 you know, for, for a championship or at least contending year in and year out, uh, at, at, at a playoff spot. They're a quarterback away and have been for years.
Starting point is 00:25:08 And if you look at what the Browns have been through for however long it's been, when it's been trying to find a quarterback, it lets you know how important that position is. You can't start a franchise. You can't build a team in any way. You're going to have pieces and a great player. You know, you have your Miles Garris you have your Denzel Wars but you'll never be able to compete in the
Starting point is 00:25:29 AFC North or in the playoff even for a goddamn Lombardi trophy unless you have a goddamn quarterback what happened? What y'all laughing at? He made me a name late he made me a name late but that's and unfortunately
Starting point is 00:25:52 the Browns might have to make a very difficult decision and trade their best player in order to rebuild and get what they need trade Miles Garrett and get to the quarterback of your future which I'm not sure how it would be because the quarterback of your future would probably be in the draft. Well, that means what you do is that you give up drafts.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Somebody might have to give up the first rounder and the third rounder. And how old is Miles Garrett? 26, 27? He's a youngin but you get listen you gotta you gotta keep shooting you gotta keep keep you gotta keep shooting shooting for that quarterback you gotta keep shooting because until you get one somebody talked about miles gary to the raven then kirk Garrett to the Ravens and Kirk Cousins to the Browns oh hell nah I can tell you right now they ain't doing that deal they'll never
Starting point is 00:26:52 the Ravens couldn't give up three first rounders to get Miles Garrett he definitely ain't going into the division hell nah no forget that for the Steelers, the Ravens, the Bengals? Oh, no. Absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Jamar Chase, the Tee Higgins, I just told him we're stuck together for life now. We're locked in for life. I hope Ocho should the Bengals do everything they possibly can to re-sign Tee Higgins with the defense. Yeah, I don't understand. I love the idea, though. I love Joe Burrow. Joe, I love you.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Chase, I love you. Tee, boy, you know how I feel about you, boy. You know how I feel about you. But to get what you deserve, stay with me now. Listen to me, Tee. I know you're going to see this. To get what you deserve, like, it's going to be hard. It's going to be hard.
Starting point is 00:27:42 Y'all need to understand the business aspect of things. You know, Tee, you work your ass off, Tee, to get where you at, to get going to be hard. It's going to be hard. Y'all need to understand the business aspect of things. You know, T, you work your ass off, T, to get where you at, to get to Clemson, to get to the NFL. All the hard work you put in, you deserve to be paid as the receiver that you are. You are a fucking number one receiver. You hear me? And we're one of the two teams, one of the few teams in the NFL that has been fortunate to have two number one receivers. Now it's time for you to be paid as such. I would love to see you stay with the Bengals.
Starting point is 00:28:10 I would love it, me, as a Bengal. But then I'm able to separate my love for the team and understanding what you deserve as the artwork you put in. This is me. I am. I'm Bengals everything. So I just, I love the idea though, man. I love Joe and what Joe would be willing to do. I'm not sure how they can work contractually,
Starting point is 00:28:33 where they can make it happen. Defensively, we need help. Defensively, we need help. We need pieces in certain places that will allow us to compete in that North division because everybody else is getting big. But you got, but God, man,
Starting point is 00:28:46 I understand you love the city. You love your boys, but I just, I'll me personally, I want what's best for you. And this is coming from, I'm I, if I cut myself right now,
Starting point is 00:28:57 I bleed black and orange, but I want you to get what you deserve, boy, because you don't put the work. You deserve it. Come again. Just black. Ain't Come again? Just black. Ain't nothing orange.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Just black. Ain't nothing orange. Talk to him, man. Oh, Joe. Chase. Joe. You see your offense. Even though y'all putting up these numbers, look at y'all losing.
Starting point is 00:29:34 You're not going to win. win look at go back and look um even the greatest show on turf in 2001 they got beat the broncos scored the most points in nfl history they got beat the uh uh uh the patriots they got beat the washington football team before they became that, you know, the Indian name, they got beat. If you cannot stop somebody, you can't score enough points to do it, to win. You just can't. The NFL history has shown that. I just gave you the four highest scoring teams in nfl history minnesota by think about minnesota vikings they got beat before they got to the soup bowl go back and
Starting point is 00:30:11 look at the 83 washington team they got beaten go back and look at the 2007 patriots they got beat go back and look at the 2013 broncos they got beat yeah hey i want everybody to get their money but i'm afraid teams gonna probably have I want everybody to get their money. But I'm afraid T's going to probably have to go somewhere to get that money. Because if the Bengals are serious, they got to upgrade their defense, don't you? It's really that simple. I hate it. I hate it for T.
Starting point is 00:30:34 I hate it for Joe. I hate it for Chase. I hate it for the fans of Cincinnati. I mean, everybody loves T. Hell, I love T. I like him. I love what he brings to that offense and what he's able to do yes uh him and chase are completely different to me i again like i see i view them as two number
Starting point is 00:30:50 one receivers both of them that get the job done in a different way listen it's multiple ways to skin a cat but at the at the at the at the at the end of the day you know they play that they play the receiver position and they do it very well in two totally different styles. Yeah, I just don't see how you can have two, a $40 million receiver and a $30 million receiver and a $55 million quarterback, and your defense is hemorrhaging. Damn, man. I would love to see it, though.
Starting point is 00:31:20 Listen, I don't know how to do numbers. I'm not good at that. That's not something that I do do and just trying to see is it even possible is it even feasible for them to do anything and just
Starting point is 00:31:30 you can't you can't now if this was Madden we can make it work nope we can work we can move some things around we can make it work
Starting point is 00:31:38 but in real life yeah no understanding and knowing what T deserves man and don't do don't do him a dog like that. Oh, Joe, the Falcons are expected to cut Kirk Cousins before the $10 million roster bonus due.
Starting point is 00:31:53 This will reportedly cancel the rest of the $180 million that included the $100 million guarantee. Huge. What you think? Huge error? But hold on. How much of the money is he still gonna have he don't he got hey listen wow so it canceled the last eight so he's still getting 100 million because
Starting point is 00:32:16 he's gonna make 38 next year you can't save face. And that was my Ocho. We had this conversation. I said, Ocho, it doesn't make sense. I said, at best case scenario, you're going to get one year out of Cousins. You better tell me he's not. There's only one quarterback that I'm paying $100 million, and that's Patrick Mahomes. If he ain't getting no $100 million, I damn sure he's going to hurt Cousins no $100 million. You understand the importance of having a quarterback at the position,
Starting point is 00:32:45 even though the quarterback, the said quarterback in question right now has only won one playoff game. You know what you get from him in the season. What's that? You cold? I like this. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:04 So you understand yeah I got I got mine don't worry about it you're gonna see me in mine every day from now on whenever it's time to travel yeah but you
Starting point is 00:33:14 you understand why you know teams pay for the quarterback position like that because in order for your team to function you gotta have a quarterback and you know what you
Starting point is 00:33:24 you know what you got. Yeah. Well, the Falcons are malfunctioning. It's the Michael Pinnock Jr. show from now on. I know that. Lucky the FD. What size is that? It look like a robe almost.
Starting point is 00:33:49 Double. Okay, okay, I see. Yeah, I can't wait till I get home to mine. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you know what? Hey, listen, people in the the chat you need to understand when you order when you order you know the cotton and you feel the material this ain't just any kind of cotton
Starting point is 00:34:12 this is a hundred thousand sheet egypt but it's the kind of cotton that the pharaoh slept on yeah yeah you hear me yeah i just know any cotton yeah tonight's the night we get in some air. Cover over the incognito. You look like Nino Brown. You know what I'm saying? With the one egg? Yeah. You know what time it is. You know what time it is.
Starting point is 00:34:41 What it do about it hey yeah yeah you better not be no up about to run down but don't you i i we talk also when we talked about this, I said, Ocho, let's just say for the best case scenario, you get two years. Worst case, you get one year. Ocho, you got to pay this man $100 million. For the casual fan not understanding, you understand how teams work. You understand how owners work and how bad they need a quarterback and sometimes sometimes sometimes sometimes you have to overpay
Starting point is 00:35:31 i was that's the one kind of mistake on me that's the one position what happened oh joe you joe you remember uh what guys used to get paid and they're like oh we made a mistake i like why can't nobody no team make a mistake on me like that? Yeah. Give me $12 million. Give me $14 million and send me on my damn way. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:35:55 Actually, and I said this on first date. I said, they got President Trump as Time Magazine Person of the Year. That's Kirk Cousin Agent. Kirk Cousin the year, Time magazine person of the year. That's Kirk Cousins agent. Yeah. Kirk Cousins agent should be Time magazine person of the year. Oh, yeah. He done made a grip. Do you know how many Cousins
Starting point is 00:36:11 has made? He done made a grip. For what? I'm thinking about getting him, but I love my team, so I'm just playing Josh and Margaret, but man. Listen, you got to understand he bet on himself twice. Lord have mercy. He bet on just playing Josh and Marvin. But man. Listen, you got to understand. He bet on himself twice.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Lord have mercy. He bet on himself twice. And then it's all about. Yeah. He got the franchise tag twice. And then he goes to Minnesota. Ocho. They fully guaranteed the contract for the first time in NFL history.
Starting point is 00:36:43 They fully guaranteed. And guess what they did? He played so well. You know, Kirk can light you up. You ain't gonna win nothing, but you gonna light you up. They fully guaranteed the next contract. So you think about this. Franchise tag, fully guaranteed. Franchise tag, fully
Starting point is 00:36:57 guaranteed. He got three years, fully guaranteed. He got another three years, fully guaranteed. For a cousin, got eight years of fully guaranteed money. One thing about Kirk, too, you know, he's a child of God, too, now. He's a child of God. And one thing about it, your cup will runneth over if you continue to put that man at the forefront. So, regardless of how his play has been, whether it's stellar or whether it's been bad,
Starting point is 00:37:23 the most high has always had his back. Boy, who you telling? Babe ain't fair. What you looking for, partner? He's bad.
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Starting point is 00:42:36 I'm, hey, listen, I'm not, I'm not trying, I'm not trying to flex. I'm not trying to flex, but I need you to understand.
Starting point is 00:42:42 I need the people in the chat to understand. Like, this is not a bad thing for Jerry Judy. This was a good thing. This was a good thing. I saved my brother Jerry Judy's career. Jerry Judy is one of the best, best, best receivers in today's game.
Starting point is 00:42:57 He's fifth right now in receiving yards. Can you imagine if he went to that abysmal organization right now? The Jets? So I think people need especially jerry i think you need to see the good side on on why i kept your rating as low as i did because the owners respect the decision making that i have no that i'm like he did oh wait who no woody johnson does yeah yeah all owners ain't looking at Nomad and Raiders. I know. I know what you say, but listen, I'm in those rooms. They talk to me. They ask me some of these questions, you know, and they base it. They're understanding that the rating is based on what you're doing in real life. Huh? Stay with me now. It is based on what you're doing in real life. So they take that into account. And the fact that I am the Maddings rating adjuster and one whose credit credibility.
Starting point is 00:43:50 Is of a high standard. Follow that. And I listen, I'm I'm happy to be in a position to do so and and and help careers. And then that's what I've done for jerry julie congratulations on a hell of a season so far let's finish these last three games off strong and next year's rating will start out at a 95 hell nah how you gonna go from 80 mid 80s to a 95 because he for he be from the crib he from the crib and i can go i can go in internally and change it on my own rookie michael pennix jr will take over the starting quarterbacking job from Kirk Cousins. The number eight pick in the NFL draft, Penix will make his debut as the NFL starter Sunday against the Giants in Atlanta. Raheem Moore said there was a football decision and we're fully focused on preparing the team for Sunday night game against the Giants.
Starting point is 00:44:41 Penix Jr. revealed he found out when he was getting the Falcons starting gig while shopping at Costco for a hot dog. Do you like the move? I love it. Even with them still having an opportunity, I think they think they need to make a change. They need to make a change, get that offensive spark, give that team a spark.
Starting point is 00:45:00 I think it was smart by the coach to make the decision. I'm excited to see what Pinnick can do. Obviously being somewhat of a dual threat quarterback, as opposed to Kirk Cousins, who was somewhat stationary and he has to play better. He knows he has to play better. The last, what, four, last two or three games, you can't, you can't play that kind of football. You just can't, you can't turn the ball over like that and put your team in harm's way and expect yourself to compete let alone even have a chance at winning the game playing the quarterback position that goddamn bad like that was bad that was very bad i thought i thought that
Starting point is 00:45:37 he would like keep the job ocho for the simple fact there's still a game behind but they're like look the giants coming in, it's just as good a time as any. Make that change. But think about it. Kirk Cousins is going to make $62 million this year. He's got another $38 million coming in next year. That's guaranteed.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Either way. Well, yeah, they're going to bring it back. They're going to bring it back. But can you imagine sitting on the bench next year behind Pennings Jr. Making. Oh, no, no, you can't have, you can't have no, you can't have no guy making 38 million. Who the hell are they going to be at?
Starting point is 00:46:14 What you going to think? They can't cut him? You got to try, you got to try to trade him. And you might have to take some of that salary on, but you can't. They'll have to pay most of the salary like the Broncos are doing with Russell Wilson and all. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:30 I mean, where else do you see him fitting in? Where else do you see where a quarterback is in dire need of a quarterback, especially with quarterbacks coming out of draft issues? The Giants, the Raiders, the Giants, the Raiders, there's two. Now, they're probably going to be in the market to select one. But what's to stop them from the Giants and the Raiders from doing what the Broncos, what the Alabama did? Bring in the AFC and draft the quarterback and then make it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:56 Okay. That means they would be bringing Kurt in on a one-year deal, if anything. Well, if you trade for him, you got the remaining deal. I mean, it was a four-year deal, like $100-and-something million, like $180 million. It was $45 million a year. Now, the question is, Ocho, I mean, Cleveland needs a quarterback. I'm trying to think.
Starting point is 00:47:17 Who else needs a quarterback? AFC South, AFC West, LCE South. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. When you talk about Cleveland needs a quarterback. When Deshaun Watson comes back from his injury, he will be the starter next year.
Starting point is 00:47:32 You know his dead cap money. That is guaranteed, boy. They'll eat it. If he ain't producing his dead cap money. Let's be real. We have real conversation here. If he's only going to give them the production that he's given them since he's been there. I got you.
Starting point is 00:47:53 I got you. Listen, I'm with you. You're right. Where's the value in that? Look, I'm going to say I'm surprised. But it just goes to show you that they're this close and they'll gain back. And if they beat Tampa, they,
Starting point is 00:48:10 they, if they beat Tampa, let's just say they beat Tampa, they sweep Tampa. They got the same record. That means they win the division for them to be this close. And they make this move. It lets you know,
Starting point is 00:48:20 just how bad cousins will play. Yeah. I mean, shit. Yeah. I got Dan Ray Charles. Cause he, how bad Kirk cousins is playing. You can't turn mean, shit, hell. Goddamn Roy Charles can see how bad Kirk Cousins is playing.
Starting point is 00:48:26 You can't turn the ball over like that and expect to win and compete. It's impossible. And the Titans need a quarterback to go to. The Titans. Oh, man. Hey, I feel sorry for Will Levis. Why? I feel sorry for the Titans fans.
Starting point is 00:48:44 I'm serious because when you when you when you look at when you look at young bull man and you look at his his makeup you look at his dna his stature and when the eye test in general know the arm strength and what he's able to do you know being able to run the ball as well he looks like a josh allen he doesn't play like one. He has all. Yeah, he looked like Josh Allen. He played like Woody Allen. Man, oh boy, good and terrible. Tyreek Hill's social media post Wednesday began a huge debate on what he meant.
Starting point is 00:49:17 It's time for me to go, Coach. Tyreek wrote without punctuation. Dolphins fans panicked, wondering if he was telling Mike McDaniel if it's time to leave Miami. Well, Tyreek said today, wondering if he was telling Mike McDaniel if it's time to leave Miami. Well, Tyreek said today what I meant was when he said it's time for me to go coach, meaning that he
Starting point is 00:49:31 wants to see you guys, Teddy Bridgewater. Meaning what? When we see guys like Teddy Bridgewater, you see guys like Michael Bick getting head coaching job, it's like, bro, I want to be a coach also when I'm done playing. You know what I'm saying? Oh, it's time for i want to be a coach also when i'm done playing uh you know what i'm saying oh it's time for me to go coach oh yeah okay okay i get it i get it i get it i get it
Starting point is 00:49:53 yeah that reek everybody ain't it ain't cut out to be coaching yeah hey listen i i i love i love I love Vic. I love Prime. Eddie George. I love them boys. But to play a game all my life, all my life, and understand what it took to get to where I did, and then retire, and then go right back into that, you have to have a love and and coaching and patience and understand understanding that no matter the amount of hours you put in sometimes it's just not enough and you don't get the results based on the work you put in right i can't i can't i couldn't i couldn't do it yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:50:46 I mean I can see how people were thinking like it's time to go coach and so he was saying it's time for me to go coach in the literal sense I need to go coach I need to go coach I see Vic I see Prime I see
Starting point is 00:51:01 others doing it I want to do that also people you know look Tyreek has not had the season that he had hoped for I see Vic. I see Prime. I see others doing it. I want to do that also. People, you know, look, Tyreek has not had the season that he had hoped for. Tua being out had impact on that. He's probably not going to make the pro, but I don't think – how close is he to 1,000 yards? I mean, it's going to be a long time. I mean, he's going to have to go off. I mean, he's going to have to go off. I mean, does he have 600, 700?
Starting point is 00:51:27 Does he have 700 yards receiving? I think he only has like maybe one or 200 receiving yard games. He has 805 on touchdown. So he needs 195 over the last three games. Yeah, he'll get that. And two or four or five games, huh. Yeah, he'll get that. In two or four or five games, huh? Yeah, he'll get that.
Starting point is 00:51:51 But the thing is, Ocho, I mean, when you look at pro bowlers, I mean, the only two I can think of in the AFC off the top of my head is Chase and Judy. Yeah. There's a third, though, right? There's a third. Well, you take four. But I'm trying to think. I mean, when we look at the AFC,
Starting point is 00:52:12 we take, what's Nico Collins? How many yards did Nico Collins have? I think he missed a game. Yeah, the hamstring. I think he missed about three or four. If you go AFC, he got 849. So, Nico Collins, because when he touched he got 849. I think so. Nico Collins. Cause when he touched down to the L six. Okay.
Starting point is 00:52:29 All, all them, all them going to get, they're going to read it, reach a thousand. They all be right. Chase. But the promo vote, I mean, the promo about to be announced. What next week? And, and, and reek reek still. Well, you know, at some point, based on name alone, he might still get that nod.
Starting point is 00:52:51 Yeah. He might. What about Zay Flowers? How's he doing? What's his numbers? They don't throw the ball enough in Baltimore, though. Huh? Zay Flowers has 916.
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