Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Lamar secures MVP, Unc clowns Trey Lance, rookie hazing

Episode Date: January 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson debate if Lamar has done everything he needed to secure NFL MVP. Later, Unc CLOWNS Trey Lance as the NFL’s worst dual-threat QB, Unc and O...cho discuss rookie hazing and what they had to go through as young players in the league and much more!03:13 - Lamar Jackson07:42 - Michael Pierce11:00 - Myles Garrett Trade Coming?15:13 - Get rid of one qb16:00 - Chiefs iced in 25:40 - Saquan in sleep ad29:54 - Lance will start37:10 - Seahawks fake dinner bill43:37 - St. Brown rule change 47:30 - Husband brought gifts for ex’s kids with current wife’s credit card1:04:34 - Q&Ayyyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:12 But he's the favorite about his 230. So that means he's the favorite. See what I mean? As Lamar is a plus 185. Is this after the game or before the game? After. See what I mean? See, that's why I say the vote must already be in.
Starting point is 00:04:27 Somebody knows something. Well, no. Here's the thing. Your vote don't have to be in until... Normally, I think our vote had to be in by Monday, by noon. Right. Because, you know, you got to vote for all the awards. You got to vote for all pro.
Starting point is 00:04:43 Because you get a vote, you vote for all the the all pro team, offense, defense, kicker, coach of the year, rookie of the year, you know, offensive rookie of the year, defensive rookie of the year, MVP, comeback player of the year, so forth and so on. So all that. So you obviously, and it might be after the game, after the last game. But I'm thinking,'m thinking okay i'm thinking it was noon monday okay like i said it's been so long ago hell i hadn't worked at the uh uh cbs
Starting point is 00:05:11 and man and so long i mean i think last year was like the broncos winning the super bowl so that was 2013 so it's been like it's been 12 years so uh that was a long, long time ago. But for me, I'm just saying, and I think Josh Ellis had a phenomenal season, but 41 touchdowns with less than five interceptions. That's impressive. Because Aaron Rodgers, and we know how gifted Aaron Rodgers is at the floor of the football.
Starting point is 00:05:43 I mean, you think about all the great quarterbacks. Only two have ever done this. Aaron Rodgers is at the floor of the football. I mean, you think about all the great quarterbacks. Only two have ever done this. Aaron Rodgers and Lamar Jackson. 900 rush yards with 4,000 passing yards. No quarterback has ever done that. He did it. The second highest quarterback rating in NFL history.
Starting point is 00:06:03 He got it. That's crazy. He got a lot of firsts or seconds. He got it. That's crazy. He got a lot of firsts or seconds. He's had a lot, like I said. I'm glad I ain't a voter now. I'm glad I'm not a voter now. I'm glad I'm not a voter now. I'm not.
Starting point is 00:06:23 However, on the week that he was named the Pro Bowl, Zay Flowers, he's the first Ravens wide receiver to ever be named to the Pro Bowl. What? Drafted. What you call him, but he was the first drafted Ravens wide receiver to the Pro Bowl. Because I think, what's the guy that was at Tennessee?
Starting point is 00:06:46 Derrick Mason. Derrick Mason. I think Derrick Mason went to the Pro Bowl. Because I think, what's the guy that was at Tennessee? Derrick Mason. Derrick Mason. I think Derrick Mason went to the Pro Bowl. I would be insane. You know what it's like? Kansas City. Patrick Mahomes
Starting point is 00:06:55 was the first Chiefs quarterback drafted to win a playoff game. Okay. They've had other guys win playoff games, but they weren't drafted. Zay Flowers was drafted. So you go back they weren't drafted. Safe Flyers were drafted.
Starting point is 00:07:06 So you go back and you look at all the players that were drafted. It's the first one that ever made the Pro Bowl that actually wasn't. Yeah, because Thriller, Michael Jackson, he was from the Browns. He came over, rested, so he got
Starting point is 00:07:24 killed in a motorcycle, a traffic accident on a motorcycle. But, man, I hope Zay is okay. Injured right knee early in the second quarter and did not return. So hopefully they were able to get him some treatment. Yeah, I'm biased. I want Lamar to win. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Yeah, okay. I mean, wow, sue me. Hello. yeah I'm biased I want Lamar to win yeah okay yeah okay I mean wow sue me hello hello you finna show him that helmet huh that was me
Starting point is 00:07:56 uh the Super Bowl helmet is at the house so yeah I'm biased I don't know what you want me to tell you. Okay, sue me. I don't think that's going to fit now. I might get low.
Starting point is 00:08:15 And then y'all might have to cut it off my head. But I hope he's okay. Hopefully they're able to. Yeah, okay. Hopefully they're able to, yeah, okay, yeah. So what? Man, Ocho. Yo. DT Michael Pierce
Starting point is 00:08:33 spoke about his interception. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. That was so funny, boy. I want to try for six. So there's a long history of turning big guy interceptions and fumbles
Starting point is 00:08:44 and all that stuff into memes. So at the risk of ruining a career play like that for myself, it's time to go home. So bless with all the gas. You're good. Hey. Ocho, he had a blocker.
Starting point is 00:08:56 He could have got it. He would have made it, Ocho. You think so? Yeah, because the guy had already – and listen, wasn't nobody back there. So now all of a sudden he had a blocker that had already, listen, wasn't nobody back there. So now all of a sudden, he had a blocker that had already picked up the quarterback. Now, he got a head start on the offensive lineman.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Hey, you know how funny that would have been? If he had... 355. Listen, 355, he had a convoy of people. You know how funny he would have been?
Starting point is 00:09:18 Three what? That 355, that's the weight that he weighed in at training camp. He was probably about 370 there. Hey, I think he... Hey, you know, it's the weight that he weighed in at training camp. He was probably about 370 there. Hey, you know, it's hard to sweat on someone to get cold and bald. You know, it's hard to sweat.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Hey, he should have took that, man. He should have took that. I remember Vince Wilfork had one one time. Yeah, he tried. It was so funny, man. Those don't come often. No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, you dropped him past coverage
Starting point is 00:09:48 and got a... And he picked it. Ocho, he didn't bobble it. Ocho, he didn't bobble it. Right in the belly. He got it. Man, listen, it won't happen again. You got to take that, man. You'll never get that opportunity again, Ocho. You'll never. Now, Ocho,
Starting point is 00:10:04 he might get one that get popped up in there and he catch it but they're gonna be on him but to get one clean like that and you got it on the dead run yeah he took a knee
Starting point is 00:10:13 and say ah hey he did that thing like that's the end of the game Ocho like like I preserved the big hey
Starting point is 00:10:23 if you notice Ocho he didn't take his ass to the end zone either he went to the sideline hey you were tired you were tired I don't believe it hey congratulations big guy that was also bad
Starting point is 00:10:41 Michael Pierce with the interception he might have been the heaviest guy. Hold on. Maybe that Tennessee Titan. He picked off one. Jeffrey Simmons? No. The guy from Texas. Didn't he pick off an interception and take it to the house? I think he had to recognize the heaviest guy
Starting point is 00:11:01 to ever return an interception. I think he was like 340. That got to be a dope feeling man that's it for the big boys what's the guy
Starting point is 00:11:20 what's the guy they drafted from Texas the big D lineman I think he got a pick six What's the guy that they drafted from Texas? The big D lineman. I think he got a pick six. Leonard Williams got a pick six.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Remember, Leonard Williams picked Aaron Rodgers when he was 80. Because I think he was the heaviest with the longest. Yeah, sweat. Did he get a pick six? Yeah. I thought he got a pick six? Yeah. I thought he got a pick six against somebody. Ocho, the Browns have not guaranteed themselves the NFL top three draft pick. Miles Garrett said after the game, there will be something coming.
Starting point is 00:12:03 Is a Miles Garrett trade imminent? Yeah, probably. I think, you know miles garrett has done everything he can for the browns organization he's been a standout player and in the community i think it would be do them do them their due just and do right by him and allow him to go to a contender and uh and contribute somewhere else i'm i'm assuming maybe draft day, he gets traded somewhere, and it'll pay dividends as far as draft picks are concerned for the Browns.
Starting point is 00:12:31 They'll be compensated very well for somebody like Myles Garrett, and he will go somewhere where he can attend, you know, for Lombardi. Yeah. Hey, because it might be a little chump
Starting point is 00:12:45 i believe the browns are more than one player away yeah you might as well like try to build this thing back up yes sir get to get them first round draft picks that miles garrett will bring you probably two ones and a two maybe two ones a two a two and a four. So I get, hey, we'll swap draft positions this year. As a matter of fact, no, I'm going to get your first round pick this year. And I'm going to get him next year. But I'm also going to get your two this year along with your three or your four next year. Ocho, I think they're just so much away as far as building this thing up.
Starting point is 00:13:26 Because look, you got Lamar. Lamar is 26. Joe Burrow is 27, 20. So you got to deal with those guys for the next decade. Yeah. The next decade. Now, we don't know what Pittsburgh is going to do. Maybe they bring Russ back.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Maybe they go. They don't strike me as a team that'll be invested in a Sam Darnold to spend that kind of money on a show. They don't really like to spend heavily in free agency. They like to invest in their own. Right. You know, if you notice them, they don't spend a whole lot of money in free agency.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Their mom and pop shop, everybody knows what they are. But Miles Garrett will fetch a pretty penny. Oh, yeah. And if I'm the Browns, I'm listening. Yeah. I'm going to try to get him out of, I'm going to try
Starting point is 00:14:15 to get him out of the AFC, Ocho. But if somebody in the AFC offered me the best package, well, he going to the AFC. Yeah. Because I want the best package. Yeah, you ain't got no choice.
Starting point is 00:14:26 Now, I'm not trading him in the division. So Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, don't even call. I'm not trading him in the division now. I ain't going to be that damn fool. Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:14:36 Can you imagine Miles Garrett and TJ Wildman? Hell no. Man, please. No, I can't. But don't have to worry about it because it ain't going to happen it's not going to happen but the Baltimore
Starting point is 00:14:52 Ravens look good Lamar 16-32 2-17 two touchdowns Derrick Henry 20 for buck 38 two touchdowns the Ravens 35 rushing tips, 220 yards. That's what they do. 437 total yards on the day.
Starting point is 00:15:12 Bateman had five catches, 76 yards on the touchdown. Mark Andrews, four catches, 54 yards on the touchdown. Likely was three of 38. Derrick Henry even chipped in. He had two catches, 23 yards. But the Ravens look good. What, one sack, two sacks, three sacks. I think they had like three sacks
Starting point is 00:15:32 and a pick six. Well, they had two sacks and a pick six, so you have to be pleased with that. Like I said, Cleveland just they need a major overhaul. They got a ways to go. Listen, they got a ways to go on the offensive side of the ball.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Yeah. Well, you're going to need to have a ways to go because Miles Gary's going to put a, you know, you're about to lose 14 sacks. Yeah. Uh, Ocho, post went viral on Twitter
Starting point is 00:16:03 showing Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, or Burrow. Which one you getting rid of? Ooh. Ooh-wee. That's a good one, boy. Mahomes ain't going nowhere. So I want y'all to debate between Lamar, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow. Listen, I like all them boys, obviously.
Starting point is 00:16:22 You got to get rid of one, Ocho. I'm keeping Burrow, Mahomes, and Lamar. And I love Josh Allen. I love Josh Allen. Great quarterback. But if there's one that's got to go, it's going to be Josh. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:42 I like that. Lamar definitely ain't going nowhere. You know, Mahomes is that boy. That's my quarterback. Yeah, rightfully so. Ocho, the Chiefs were iced in today. Trouble getting on the tarmac tonight before the Bronco game.
Starting point is 00:16:58 The plane got stuck on the tarmac for four hours. Will this disrupt them? Were you ever stranded on the tarmac absolutely not but i don't mind that i don't care if you got to have me on the tarmac for 10 hours de-ice my plane please de-ice my plane because you know what happens if you don't de-ice the plane and you take off anyway man i don't know i don't know none of them problems De-ice my plane so everything is working how it should be in flight. I don't care how long I'm on the tarmac.
Starting point is 00:17:29 You don't play like that. There's a reason that they had those de-ice machines to begin with. They got that for a reason, man. Man. I remember in 97, Ocho, we got, we had that, if y'all look it up,
Starting point is 00:17:44 we had that snowstorm that hit Denver that day, that night, and bled into that day. And I think we probably got about five to six feet of snow. Right. Over the course of about 24 to 36 hours. And we got stuck. And we were going to Buffalo. And, man, I don't know what time.
Starting point is 00:18:03 I don't think we even ended up getting out until like maybe 6 o'clock. So it's already 8 o'clock at night. Yeah. We didn't get in until probably about 1, 2? We had to go there. We put something on them though. We didn't put the, now TD ran wild. TD ran wild. TD had
Starting point is 00:18:22 like 205. We just ran the ball because it was was first of all you know if you go to Buffalo in December it's gonna be effed up weather I don't think you know what Ocho now that I think about it
Starting point is 00:18:33 Ocho I've never gone to Buffalo and it had to be nice weather it's like it's like snow yeah it's like rain it's like sleet
Starting point is 00:18:41 it's something maybe in 94 it was decent. It was windy, but it wasn't precipitation. But you go to Buffalo in late November, December, you kiss the baby. Oh, yeah. You kiss the baby. It's so close to Canada, you're going to get what, hey.
Starting point is 00:19:00 Just we talk. But look, for the most part, the the guys a lot of the guys like my home it's not disrupting him because he's not playing no kelsey a lot of the key contributors though they're not gonna play tomorrow right but a lot of these guys that don't be playing they just happen to get an opportunity to play they get an opportunity to start yeah hey the play can hey as a matter of fact they can leave tomorrow morning. Yeah. I don't think this doesn't affect players one bit.
Starting point is 00:19:33 I mean, some people might say it doesn't throw off anything. The game is still going to be played. This is, I call it, your downtime. This is your unwind time to get yourself focused and locked in. The extra time that you are on there, I'm sure everybody has their iPads you do your homework do your homework man we gambling yeah we playing talk we playing we playing in between man that's hey first of all you know that's time that's time mocho hey anytime hey and that's the way we pass time i I'll give y'all a little insight. Anytime there's some downtime, oh, we're going to get that gambling on. Everything is for money.
Starting point is 00:20:11 There's nothing. It ain't no for fun. You playing for money. Yeah. So that's because that's our competitive nature. We're just competitive like that. For fun? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:25 But I can't remember the last time I did something for fun right college played football that's the last thing i did for fun anything now hey man i played for hey let's just shoot some hoop right put something what you want to put there bro i just want to nah bro put the ball down there if you ain't. If you ain't playing for no money, just put the ball down. Vrabel watch. Vrabel changes profile pick to him playing for Pats. What does that mean? I don't know. It's very subliminal,
Starting point is 00:20:57 especially with some of the reports coming out that Kraft might be trying to bring Vabrel in after only one year of having Gerard Mayo there. I'm not sure if Kraft would actually make a change that fast without giving Gerard Mayo the opportune time to change that franchise around and probably try to get them to prominence where they once were with Bill and Tom Brady. Drake May has played well in spurts, similar to that of Aaron Rodgers, but he showed flashes. He showed flashes of what he can do. And I think another year or maybe two under the helm
Starting point is 00:21:30 of Gerard Mayo, I think the Patriots are going to be okay. I'm not sure how far away they are from competing in the AFC East and dominating that division once again, but they're not that far off, as bad as they were this year. They have some... Who's not that far off. As bad as they were this year, they have some...
Starting point is 00:21:45 Who's not that far off, Ocho? Oh, the Patriots. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not that far off. I think they'll be all right, but I think it's too early. It's too early.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Now, you can give Gerard Mayo a chance. Just give him a chance. One year is not enough time. It's not, but they also know that if they don't hire Brable, they're not going to get
Starting point is 00:22:04 an opportunity to because he's going to get hired in this cycle yeah yeah and so and that's and that's that's the thing the old show that's so tough uh and i like mr craft i got like like of all the owners i probably know him the best uh well yeah i know him the best i was gonna say uh prior to mr bowling passing and him being around it was mr b right B. But I probably know him or been around him the most. Him and Mr. Blank, Arthur Blank. They've always been great to me. Always.
Starting point is 00:22:33 And I like him. And he strikes me as a very, very fair guy. Because Coach Belichick, I think, was 5-11 in his first year. And he gave him a second year and he would have a losing record until that fateful hit Mo Lewis put on Drew Bledsoe.
Starting point is 00:22:49 Yeah. And it changed the fate of the entire NFL. It changed the fate of an organization, how we viewed that organization, how we viewed Coach Belichick, and Mr. Kraft, one of the better owners in all of pro sports. Yeah. That's a tough decision. It is.
Starting point is 00:23:07 Yeah. Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling what message Bray will send him. You know, especially doing that. You don't really see anything like that from a head coach or from a coach in general. You know, you see stuff like that from players.
Starting point is 00:23:26 You're right. But I think the thing is, hey, maybe he knows something that we don't. Yeah. I think the thing is he's in a very tough spot because Mr. Kraft hand-selected Gerard Mayo. Yes, sir. He's been under Coach Belichick tutelage. He played for Coach Belichick. He's been under Coach Belichick tutelage. He played for Coach Belichick.
Starting point is 00:23:45 He coached under Coach Belichick. And obviously, he had things that Mr. Craft liked. Right. Or he wouldn't have made him his head coach. But I do think that he has a very fond liking to Mike Rabel. Mike is proving himself. He's taken to the Titans to the playoffs a couple of times, went to the AFC Championship game.
Starting point is 00:24:12 They ended up losing to Kansas City. But that's a tough one, Ocho. That's a really tough call. It's hard to pull the plug after one season, but I know Mr. Craft doesn't want to lose on this opportunity that he believed that
Starting point is 00:24:27 Mike Brable is a very good coach and he would hate to lose on the opportunity but sometimes you gotta you gotta lose in order to win
Starting point is 00:24:37 oh yeah we've all lost like man we didn't see it at the time Ocho we made decisions like man I hate to do this but I I'm going to do it.
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Starting point is 00:30:15 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho, St. Juan Brock controls the Giants in a new sleep ad. The Giants running back trolls John Maher in a sleep aid commercial. Referenced to his viral moment, hard knocks when he said he'd have a tough time sleeping if Saquon joined the Eagles. Man, forget that. I don't want to get nothing by no ad. I don't want to get nothing about no ad i don't get nothing about no commercial you want to troll the giants you want to get the giants back for what they did to you for basically telling you you know we don't value you we don't think you are worth the money that you deserve
Starting point is 00:30:59 it's him going out there telling goddamn sirianni, you know what? I want to play. I want to play. I want to go out here and give it to the Giants and break this record, and then you can take me out of the game. Then I'll sit down. That would be the best ad. That would be the best commercial. That would be the best way to stick it to John Maher and whoever else made that goddamn decision to let him go to the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:31:27 How do you pronounce the guy's name? Joe Sean? Joe Sean? Sean? Joe Shine. Showing. Oh.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Yeah, him. Close enough. John's GM. Oh. But here's the thing. The problem that I got, Ocho, is that they played in the man face you knew you were gonna sign the man back you know we'd love to have you we would i we what we think we
Starting point is 00:31:50 owe you the opportunity to go out there and let you test the market one thing about it where you can't believe nothing they say listen owners and gm general managers, ain't no different than politicians. Oh, they're going to sell you a dream now. They're going to tell you what you want to hear. But when it comes time to fulfill those promises, man, stop. Man, man, stop. That's the thing, though, Joe. and um in the process of you shopping they telling you thing that new team hey it's almost like hey that new person in your ear telling you i'm gonna cook and babe i'm gonna take you hey we're going to jamaica we're going to cancun i'm huh Ocho that thing is not clouded clay hey
Starting point is 00:32:45 that new yeah oh real it sounds good we love and see Philly we love that
Starting point is 00:32:53 see the thing is Ocho when somebody wants you yes sir and they go and they show you Philly showed Saquon
Starting point is 00:33:01 that they wanted him see the Giants we want you but we want you because you see how they did it they wanted him. See, the Giants, we want you, but we want you, because you see how they did it. They put him on a franchise tag and all that old foolishness. Now, think about it. You lost your quarterback that couldn't play dead on the Western, and
Starting point is 00:33:18 you lost your running back because you was being cheap. Hold on. Daniel Jones, he couldn't play dead in a what? A Western. So now look at you. Hey, that's a good one. I like that one.
Starting point is 00:33:33 That's a good one. Ocho, I mean, and then, first of all, normally, like, when you're doing stuff like that, Ocho, you don't put that on tape. You don't put that on camera.
Starting point is 00:33:42 Right. Because you make yourself look bad. Yeah. Everybody saw that y'all played in that man face. Yeah.'t put that on camera. Right. Because you make yourself look bad. Yeah. Everybody saw that y'all played in that man face. Yeah. Everybody saw that what y'all was doing. Mm-hmm. And then you try to, and then you try to like,
Starting point is 00:33:52 oh, you know, we just, you know, we just, we owe it to you because you've been so good. Well, if I've been that good, go on and break bread.
Starting point is 00:34:01 Yeah. Break bread then. If that's what you feel that way about me and break bread. Yeah. Break bread then. If that's what you feel that way about me, break bread. Y'all play it. Unfortunately. I agree with you, Ocho. We talked about it, Ocho, last week. Yeah. I want him to get that record bad.
Starting point is 00:34:21 And he would have got it. It wouldn't have took that long. It wouldn't have took that long. It wouldn't have took that long. I don't know how long it would have took, but I'd have been in the damn game until I got it. Yeah. He would have got it before halftime.
Starting point is 00:34:38 He would have got it before halftime. The Cowboys will start Trey Lance versus the Commanders. Lance will try to showcase for the NFL that he's worth taking a chance on in the offseason. Could this be the final dance for Trey Lance? I think, yeah, I wouldn't call it the final dance. He's a young quarterback. If anything, he can still be a backup anywhere.
Starting point is 00:34:57 Right now, he can't play dead in a horror movie. Hey, Ocho, all you got to do is do this. That's all you got to do. They're going to put some little ketchup on you, Ocho. That's it. Oh, I'll get him at a chance, man. Listen, there are far off worst
Starting point is 00:35:18 quarterbacks that have backup roles and sometimes third string roles in the NFL. Trey Lance is a good quarterback if in the right situation. But what I think he can do, what I think he can do is he can put up a good performance where he signs back with the Cowboys. He can be the number two behind Dak Prescott. Jerry really likes Cooper Rush.
Starting point is 00:35:42 What else does Jerry, you know what? We're going to have to get Jerry's eye checked. We're going to have to get Jerry's eye checked we're going to have to get Jerry's eye checked maybe is there a problem is there a problem with having two black quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:35:53 is that the issue because the better quarterback out of the two out of Cooper Rush and Trey Lance to me I would lean towards Trey Lance
Starting point is 00:36:00 if anything and that's no disrespect to Cooper Rush I'm just understanding what Trey Lance could do I'm not that's no disrespect to Cooper Rush. I'm just understanding what Trey Lance could do. I'm not saying he's Dak Prescott, but, you know, there are similarities. You know, I think he's a better runner, better dual threat. He can throw the ball.
Starting point is 00:36:15 He's efficient. You know, put him in the right circumstance. Right now, Ocho, he is a dual threat. He's terrible and awful. That's the dual threat he was talking about right there. I don't know if you noticed it, Ocho, but think about it. Mr. Irrelevant beat him out for the job.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Yeah. Yeah. The last player selected in the draft, Ocho, beat hit the number three, the team that he saved. Yeah. Rockford, he saved Kyle and Lynch. Yeah. The job, yeah. Yeah. Job.
Starting point is 00:36:45 Yeah, he did. He did. It was almost like, but it should have gave you should have give you something because if you think
Starting point is 00:36:50 about it, think about what happened in Washington. They drafted RG three to trade up, get RG three. And they also took Kirk Cousins.
Starting point is 00:36:58 Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. Mike wanted Mike like Cousins from the jump. junk yeah thought that let's just stand pat when first of all with salary cap hell we just got docked because we dumped all that money in the uncapped year they took they took money from us right so let's stay because if you take if we salary cap hell for two years we got no draft pick for two years how do we get, if we in salary cap held for two years, we got no draft pick for two years,
Starting point is 00:37:25 how do we get better if we can't sign pre-agency? We can't draft at the top of the draft. How do we get better, Ocho? See, you can't. But Dan Snyder, you know, the guy that, hey, the guy that named at the bottom of the check, he's, hey, I want this guy. And the Rams just kept
Starting point is 00:37:43 jacking the price up. And they got it. They got it. Yeah. But I hope Trey Lance can come out there and show him something. Yeah. You're right. He's probably what?
Starting point is 00:37:56 How old is Trey Lance? 25? Young. If he's that. Might be 24. Yeah, he's young. That's why I say he's going to be around. He's 24. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:03 See, he's going to be around for a while. He's going to be around for a while. Be around what? Coaching? Nah, NFL. Come on, don't do him like that. Nah, he's 20, he's 24. Ocho, they ain't going to give you that many more opportunities, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Dude, how many more opportunities has Nathan Peterman got? Now, if Peter, hey, hey, hey. First of all, Peterman is a noun. I mean, he a bird. Oh, you out there, Peterman is a noun I mean he a bird oh you out there Peterman that mean you playing terrible is he in the league I don't know if he in the league he's a backup somewhere
Starting point is 00:38:32 he's a backup somewhere Nathan Peterman yeah ah man that joke poor to Peterman I don't know what you're saying hey man that joke poor to Peterman today
Starting point is 00:38:42 hey listen if he can continue to be a backup and have a role and have a job in this NFL, Trey Lance can as well. And I think he will have a good – Oh, Ocho, he with the Falcons. See what I mean? Lord have mercy.
Starting point is 00:38:54 See what I mean? He get an opportunity. There's no reason why Trey Lance won't be on the roster. There's no reason why he can't go out here and have a good last game and put on a good showing where Jerry Jones He on the practice squad, Ocho. He on the practice squad. I know what you mean. Oh, that, listen, but he's there. That's a check.
Starting point is 00:39:11 That's a check. Yeah. It ain't much. It ain't much, you know, compared to other NFL players, but it's a check. Yeah, he in the NFL. I mean, hey, when they ask you what you do, I'm in the NFL. Okay. Yeah, I'm with the Falcons. I don't got to go in there.
Starting point is 00:39:26 I don't got to say all what I do. I'm with the Falcons, damn it. That's it. That's all that matters. I don't got to tell you I'm on the practice squad. I'm on the team. Hey, when you were in college, you said, hey, yeah, I play. What position you play?
Starting point is 00:39:39 I play such and such. Don't ask me if I play. I'm on the team, damn it. So you ask it to you. So you get personal. You know what I'm saying? I say I play for the Tigers. I play I'm on the team damn it so you ask it to you so you get personal you know what I'm saying I say I play for the Tigers I play running back hold on
Starting point is 00:39:54 you know what I'm saying go ahead we gotta drink too much water um yeah that's a well this is Trey Lance's opportunity to show that if he can, that he has something, um, because look, obviously he showed something and the draft process.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Um, I know it was only one year. Uh, he got really hurt by that, uh, that COVID season. Um, he played at, uh, uh, football subdivision, which is a lower which is a lower uh the level right below division or 1a and then he only had one year starting and then kobe came and then he sat out that year and so he really didn't that's that's that's not a whole lot of of play time especially uh not playing at a at a very high level and so i think that hurt him a lot but he had to show enough to that were team i mean the 49ers weren hurt him a lot, but he had to show enough to that team. I mean, the 49ers weren't the
Starting point is 00:40:47 only team that thought he had a high draft grade on it. So I hope he goes out there and shows something. Damn. Because there ain't but so many more opportunities that you can get before they're like, you know what? The man just ain't got it
Starting point is 00:41:07 and then but this is his opportunity there are a lot of other guys that gonna be out there playing he playing for a job but he not the only one on the roster that's playing for a job this is your opportunity to show
Starting point is 00:41:24 hey this tape goes out. Everybody that's playing, they're going to be back with the Cowboys. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to show, hey, I'm trying to show somebody I can play. But he played, you know, he played at the same university
Starting point is 00:41:38 that Carson Wentz went to. But I think Wentz was like a two or three year starter. What? Good luck, Trey. Andy, your bid is whack. Ocho. Seahawks rookie DT, Byron Murphy II,
Starting point is 00:41:57 took his teammates out for dinner and was pranked with a fake dinner bill of $155,000. Oh, funny, boy. His reaction was priceless. His actual dinner bill wasn $155,000. Oh, funny, boy. His reaction was priceless. His actual dinner bill wasn't much better. It was $38,000. Hey, that's good.
Starting point is 00:42:12 Ocho, did y'all ever prank the rooks? Listen, I had, I mean, when I was a veteran, I didn't make the rookies do rookie night. I didn't. Now, when I was a rookie I'll never forget Peter Ward
Starting point is 00:42:26 Darnay Scott, Ron Dugans Danny Farmer was there at the time TJ now I had to pay for rookie dinner that night, I can't remember what the price was, but it was it was a little hefty but $38,000, thinking about that
Starting point is 00:42:42 that ain't much, that ain't much. When you look at some of the linemen, when the linemen go out, man, I've seen some of those receipts when them boys go out. Boy, it be expensive. Well, you start ordering that King
Starting point is 00:42:59 Louis, you order that King Louis at $500, $1,000 a shot. They do it on purpose. You get like 15 shots of that. And then they're going to order that big one. They're going to order a bottle of wine that end up costing like 10 grand. Yes. You get the big one.
Starting point is 00:43:11 You get the lobster. You know, they bring the lobster around on the wagon. The lobster this big. I know y'all have seen it. They bring the lobster around in the wagon. Right. He think he's going for a ride. Little do you know.
Starting point is 00:43:23 He buy. the wagon. Right. He think he going for a ride. Little do you know. Hey, they don't be playing, boy. They don't be playing. Look, Portis and Ashley Lee, their rookie night out, we hit them for about $22,000. See, that ain't bad. You know, me, I had to have a, I had a limo, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:49 cause I ain't want nobody cause they going to go other places. I had a relationship. Y'all not finna get me broken up in the middle of the season. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't buy libertations. I know my I know my limitations. I ain't fooling with y'all. Same thing I tell my
Starting point is 00:44:11 homeboys when they come. You know, hey, Sean, come on, let's go. No, bro.
Starting point is 00:44:14 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're not going to
Starting point is 00:44:16 mess with my home and leave. Right, right. No, absolutely not. I give some of my tea.
Starting point is 00:44:21 Hey, hey, bro, you going out? Yeah, man. Hey, my homeboys in town. Man, Sean, you know we got him. Hey, bro, you going out? Yeah, man. Hey, my homeboys in town.
Starting point is 00:44:25 Man, Sharp, you know we got them. Hey. There you go. You good. Yeah. But other than that, Ocho. Yeah. Now, listen, if you're a rookie and you're not only a rookie and you're a first round pick, man, listen.
Starting point is 00:44:39 Oh, we're Ricky Carson girls. Oh, they coming to get you. Because I got a limo. I got a limo because I got a limo by myself. They had to send a limo for me because I wasn't going out with them. Ocho, I wasn't going out with them afterwards. So I needed a limo
Starting point is 00:44:52 that was going to take me back. Right. No, no, no, no. I'm going home. Right. But you know, back there, I think you had to get a limo for like five, six hours, seven hours. It was probably like $100 an hour. It wasn't no sweat like that. But the only thing I made sure of, six hours, seven hours. It was probably like $100 an hour. It wasn't no sweat like that. But the only thing I made sure about you,
Starting point is 00:45:08 I wouldn't let you get stuff to take home. I don't care if you're mom. I don't care if you're dad. I don't care if anything. You're not getting stuff. No, no, no. I'm not going to. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:45:19 We're not going to do that. Freaking us. Us. Us. Us. Us. So that was like that was uh like 22 000 i mean you know we you know the guys order king lloyd they order you know like a 15th uh uh patroos bottle of you know uh wine or rough
Starting point is 00:45:37 child whatever it was they get a couple of bottles that i said bro y'all but you know they gotta get they to get the most expensive steak. They got to get the lobster. They got to get everything. So it didn't cost them. I mean, $22,000 wasn't that much. But, oh, yeah, you're going to pay. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:59 If somebody said, oh, I wouldn't pay. Oh, yeah, you would. Because we're going to take it out your check. You're going to pay. You're going to pay. Oh, it's coming. We're not going to allow you a tradition that's been handed
Starting point is 00:46:08 down the first round draft pick. A lot of times, we let them y'all pull together. A lot of times, the first round, they had to pay dinner for themselves. I remember they hit my brother. I think they hit my brother for like 12, 13 grand. But the thing
Starting point is 00:46:24 is, is that you got to do that. If you're a rookie, you got to bring donuts. You got to bring breakfast sandwiches. You got to bring food to the plane. I did it. You don't know how many times I'm hustling and bustling. I'm dressed like Jethro Bodine, tie hanging all up. Man, about to fall off my ass.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Man, don't laugh on Joe cause I gotta go man he want Kentucky fried chicken he want Popeyes he want this I gotta go all the prided place man yeah hell nah that's why I was like I gotta make the team yeah all this they got me doing I'm gonna have me somebody do this
Starting point is 00:47:02 issue oh man hell nah but uh we did all that uh you know rookie singing oh joe i went big i went big into the hazing we make rookies saying uh you know we might steal their car and drive that off or something like that but all that i ain't cutting nobody here uh because ain't nobody cutting my hair because it really been a bit of a problem. You cut my hair, it's going to be a problem. So we're not going to do that. So we didn't cut anybody hair.
Starting point is 00:47:32 You know, at Baltimore, we take the rookies to the goal posts. That was a hard knock. Put them in the cold tub. Put them in the cold tub. Yeah, we tape them up and put them in the cold tub. Stuff like that, Ocho. But mainly, we make them sing, not your album, but I don't want to hear about your fight song. I don't want to hear
Starting point is 00:47:48 about your album model. You got to sing some Luther Vandross, Barry White, I don't care. Whenever you know the words to. Other than your damn fight song. So, but yeah, but that was, yeah, that was
Starting point is 00:48:04 back in the day. That was back in, yeah, we used to, that was, yeah, that was back in the day. That was back in, yeah, we used to steal people's cars and stuff like that. It's funny because the past, the time is like grown men, but we behave like eight, seven and eight year old. Yeah. Look, he is. Yeah. Oh, there was some good.
Starting point is 00:48:22 I'm on Ross. Say Brown. Thanks. The NFL should make a rule change let's take a listen to the change he recommends the rule should be changed obviously if you're in a division
Starting point is 00:48:32 you should obviously make a playoff spot but having a 14 win team having to go on the road is kind of crazy but I guess I don't make the rule so no we're not going to change the rules because y'all might lose the game and be a 14-win team and go on the road. That ain't how we do it.
Starting point is 00:48:50 Right. It's been like that, Ocho. So, well, listen, they're going to Minnesota, right? They play Minnesota tomorrow. No, Minnesota comes to them. Oh, Minnesota comes to them? Yes. They already beat Minnesota on the walk.
Starting point is 00:49:02 They kicked the field goal. I remember. Yeah. But what is he complaining about then because they might lose be 14-0 and they have to start the season on the road I know yeah listen that's nothing you should even worry about
Starting point is 00:49:13 especially that goddamn high powered offense there should be nothing you worry about whether you're playing home whether you're playing home or away I understand the advantage that players that teams have playing at home but listen the way y'all rocking offensively right now, I wouldn't care if we was playing in the Sahara Desert. As long as Dan Campbell is my coach and he got that wheelbarrow with him,
Starting point is 00:49:34 he carrying him every time he's coaching, I'm not tripping. I am not tripping. Yeah, he, uh, so I don't agree. I think you and I both, I don't agree um I think you and I both we don't agree because the rules are the rules we're not going to change the rules
Starting point is 00:49:50 because we have an anomaly right how many times the 14 win team has had to start on the road mm-hmm so so one time it happened
Starting point is 00:49:58 in the in the 100 plus year history right now we're going to make a rule so what nah we're not finna do that
Starting point is 00:50:05 it was a great suggestion yeah but but the team you know and how y'all are playing on the road and at home it really don't matter
Starting point is 00:50:15 it don't matter so no what he's saying though Ocho is that if we have a better record than a division winner we should be at home and they should have to go on the road okay i see what you say they want a division that's the reward you get for winning
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Starting point is 00:56:16 kid using his current wife's credit card. You gotta listen to this, Ocho. Check and listen to this. Take a look at this. Let me get this correct. You're not to listen to this, Ocho. Check and listen to this. Take a look at this. Let me get this correct. You're not obligated to buy another woman who you used to date her children's toys. You're not obligated to do that.
Starting point is 00:56:35 What makes you feel like you have a right to do that and take my credit card? I have nothing to do with that. Tina, it's our credit card. Just because it's your credit card, we are married. So Tina, it's our credit card. Just because it's your credit card, we are married. So that means it's our credit card. So you're going to be disrespectful like that and spend my money, our money, on some other kids? They ain't on some other kids, Tina.
Starting point is 00:56:55 They once was in my life. Once upon a time, that was my ex and her children. They don't know their father. Their father is locked up in the car. So I bought them kids. Well, I know one thing. I know one thing. You better run me back my money. You better put that money.
Starting point is 00:57:07 You better cut out. You don't even sound right. I don't want to hear no more of this. Talk about this. No, no, no, no. You better put my money. Don't walk away from me when I'm trying to have a conversation with you. Make sure you put my money back on my car. Okay. I like the situation. I understand.
Starting point is 00:57:24 I understand where he's coming from. It's an ex I used to date. The kids, situation, been around him for a very long time, understanding the circumstance that they're in. Mom might not be in a position to be able to get the kids the gifts. It's the holidays.
Starting point is 00:57:40 You know what? I'm going to take it upon myself to get gifts for the kids because I know they might not be able to get them because there's nobody in your life to do so because their child, I mean, their father is incarcerated. Now, as the woman, I understand where she's coming from as well. Man, what you doing? You ain't dating her no more. Now, he didn't get anything for the woman. He got it for the kids. Now that, you know, when it comes to kids, I don't play about the kids. So I have a good understanding of why he did it. And I also see her side where it for the kids. Now that, when it comes to kids, I don't play about the kids. So I have a good understanding
Starting point is 00:58:06 of why he did it. And I also see her side, where it's coming from. They have a joint account. I think what he should have done is, he should have let her know first. I say, baby, listen. There you go.
Starting point is 00:58:16 Why did he let her know? A ton of people say she should have let her know. Why did he let her know? He didn't let her know because he know if he told her, she was going to say, uh-uh,
Starting point is 00:58:26 you ain't doing that because you're not with that, you're not with the lady no more and those kids aren't your responsibility. But the woman also not understanding the,
Starting point is 00:58:36 I hate, not the word chemistry, the relationship I had having those kids in my life. You care so much about them, why don't you stay?
Starting point is 00:58:43 Huh? Why don't you stay in those kids' lives? If the daddy's not there, they don't know that dad, you care about them much about them, why don't you stay? Huh? Why don't you stay in those kids' lives? If the daddy's not there, they don't know that dad, you care about them kids so much, why don't you stay? Ooh,
Starting point is 00:58:50 ooh, you ain't had to say it like that with me and the mama. We ain't work out. We ain't work out. But them kids wasn't enough to keep you there? I thought you stayed for the kids.
Starting point is 00:58:59 Mm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm talking about that specific situation. Hey, listen, I understand where she's coming from. But listen, you know how you're getting that conversation? That he didn't even argue back.
Starting point is 00:59:12 I'm just saying if I was in his shoes, baby, listen, I know I spend the money. I know you don't like it. What I'm going to do, I'm going to put the money back on your car. Matter of fact, I'm going to double what I spent and put it back on the car. Yeah, that's a conversation you have spent and put it back on the car. Yeah. That's a conversation you have before. That's a conversation you have. If you're in a marriage
Starting point is 00:59:29 and you know, first of all, you know, that's going to cause money out of us, money out of sight, cause a fight. Because now she don't know
Starting point is 00:59:37 where that money went. Now you told her, babe, what about $500? What about $500 went? Well, you know, my ex,
Starting point is 00:59:43 I don't really know a whole lot of people that's going to be okay. Now they're married or they're in a relationship with their partner, be it man or woman buying gifts for the ex's kid. Whoa, I could be wrong. Then it might be some, huh?
Starting point is 00:59:58 Were they his, they weren't his kids though. They weren't his kids. Yeah. See, okay. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:02 No, no, no, not his kids. I say some women would be understanding if the kids were yours yeah oh you ain't got no choice but to be a damn understanding they're my kids i'm buying gifts right it's to understand with that one now but i do understand right a man or female i don't want people to say well if if she'd have done it it would have been
Starting point is 01:00:21 it'd have been a problem too right Right. Because I would have understood the husband being upset that you buying your ex's kids gift. I get that. Right. But in that situation, when it's something like that, when you know it could tear the fabric, the trust, the foundation of your relationship, you got to run that. Hey, you got to run that buyer. And you know what's funny? He understood it's all about knowing your woman. It's all about knowing who you're dating. it's all about knowing who you're married to
Starting point is 01:00:48 he already understood he already knew the assignment and knowing that this is something that i actually can't even tell her because i know she's not going to agree with it which is why he did it without letting her know oh joe but when you put it on the credit card and she see the bill like what the hell who who buying who buying stuff at torres r us who buying who buying so what you saying i i told i told you what you got to do though huh it's it's very easy i don't know don't worry about it don't you you mute it You mute, Ota Okay, can you hear me now? Yes
Starting point is 01:01:30 Okay, listen All you gotta do is Baby, listen I apologize, I'm sorry I didn't let you know ahead of time Because I knew it wouldn't sit right with you But what I'm gonna do for you is And not only am I gonna put the money back on what I spent
Starting point is 01:01:41 I'm gonna give you a little bit more So you can go treat yourself to something nice. Boom. Everything's solved. Matter of fact, did you eat today yet? Come on, ride with me real quick. Let's go grab a little bite to eat. Boom. No. She ain't try to hear that. Hey, listen.
Starting point is 01:01:58 That's all I got. I think the thing is with her, they're like, okay, you still feel this way about the kid. You probably still feel something about her. Oh, come on now. You could be able to, you could separate the two now. Come on now.
Starting point is 01:02:11 I didn't marry you. I didn't marry you. You already know. Listen, the kid, they was in my life. I feel some type of way about them, not knowing they're not going to have anything for Christmas. Come on now. She probably said, how is that my problem?
Starting point is 01:02:27 Oh, well, women, women, women, men, men, men, men, men. Ocho, you married. Yeah. Your wife take money from your account and buy her ex kids. Boy, you're going to be hard, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:02:44 I already know you. You can't look at... Hold on. Let me tell you something about men. Especially men that's in our position. Right. We're very territorial. We're very possessive.
Starting point is 01:02:54 And the mere fact that somebody might be fishing in our pond leaves me feeling some type of way. Well, I'm going to stop you right there. I'm going to tell you
Starting point is 01:03:03 one thing about my pawn. My pawn and just me. So now we got to understand they had. I said you were married. Oh, okay. Okay. But let's say you see what you just said now,
Starting point is 01:03:16 right? In this situation, they had joint, joint bank accounts. I ain't, I ain't having joint Nathaniel with nobody. Now that Now that account married, divorced,
Starting point is 01:03:28 ex-girlfriend, none of that. We not having nothing. I think you should have a joint but you also have an individual account. But here's the thing though, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:03:37 Here's where you're going to run into a problem again. You're going to lose a trust because you're doing stuff and you didn't tell her. So now she's going to have to question, what else haven't you told me about? So you know what you got? You have to build that back up.
Starting point is 01:03:49 You have to build that back up. That's all. You got to build that back up. I think the thing is for me is that, look, I'm going to be, look, now when it comes to my kids and it comes to my family, I ain't telling you ish. I ain't putting a lie to you. Now, if it come to my
Starting point is 01:04:05 homeboy, hey, bucket need to get, hey, look, I'm going to take a few dollars, bucket down and look, bird need a little something, blah, blah, blah. Okay, boom. But when it come to my family, right,
Starting point is 01:04:20 ain't nothing to be discussed. Right ain't nothing and listen and if it's a problem they're gonna don't it it ain't gonna be no problem because i think the thing is with me um people that deal with me that anybody's ever dealt with me they already know how i am with my family right you hear how i speak about my brother you hear how I speak about my brother. You hear how I speak about my sister. Look, my kids know I'm last option, not first choice. But I got them if it's necessary, if it's a necessity. They understand that. I don't really do all that stuff because a lot of times people are like,
Starting point is 01:05:03 for me, Ocho, let me tell you something that I'm not going to do. I'm not going to try to buy my kids for the time that i missed i'm not gonna do that so no i made sure my kids left college with no debt i bought them a vehicle because i felt i owe my kids an education right i owe them that but but why to buy houses and buy cars and to buy this and that because I sacrificed that time? No, no, no, no, no. That shit ain't happening. That's not. Right.
Starting point is 01:05:34 I told my kids. We had this conversation. I'm not saying y'all think I get on here. Oh, no. I tell my kids. I can't buy lost time. It's the one thing that I cannot get back. That's the number one currency. It's time. It's the one thing that I cannot get back. That's the number one currency.
Starting point is 01:05:48 It's time. I'm your father. I'm your last option, not first choice, because I've equipped you, your mom and I have equipped you with the tools for you to go out and be the world and be successful. Now, understand that everything is not going to go out to be the world to be successful now understand that everything is not gonna go perfect right now if you talk to me dad here this is what i'm thinking okay okay why do
Starting point is 01:06:14 you think you need to do it like this have you thought about doing it any other way you come to me and says okay this is what i'm thinking it doesn't work out i got you but don't bring your ass to me after you don did it on your own. Try to be sneaky with it. Now you got to save it. Hell no. Mm-mm. Mm-mm.
Starting point is 01:06:35 Mm-mm. Mm-mm. No. But like I said, if I'm with somebody and her family, she's like, you know, my mom, X, Y, and Z. I got you. If we in this thing together,
Starting point is 01:06:51 we in this thing together. That's how I am. Everybody might be different. But if she needs something, I got it. But when it comes to my family, my brother, my sister,
Starting point is 01:07:03 because for the longest time, Mocho, that was all we had. That was all I had. brother, my sister, because for the longest time, Mocho, that was all we had. That was all I had. I know my sister got money from her boyfriend to give to me and my brother. He would run money by my... When I was at Savannah State,
Starting point is 01:07:14 he'd run by them $50 coming good. Yes, sir. Coming handy. Yeah. He made sure, damn near every Friday, he passed it through. Hey, Shaw,
Starting point is 01:07:22 somebody looking for you. I already know who it was. He'd be out there in the parking lot. Right. Hand me the $50. But, yeah,
Starting point is 01:07:31 I just think the thing is, Ocho, this could have been handled had he, look, babe, you know, I was with Cuida, right? I was with her for like
Starting point is 01:07:39 five or six years. Right. Kids, I just want to do something for them. The dad, it's going through, she's going through a hard time. I just want to get them a gift. The dad is going through a hard time. I just want to give them a gift.
Starting point is 01:07:48 Maybe you're my A. She was going to say no. She was going to say no. She was going to say no. That's why he didn't tell her. There's certain things you can't tell. It's all about understanding. Get it with.
Starting point is 01:08:03 Hold on. A black woman at that you think you finna are we in a joint account man man please man uh absolutely not uh no sir
Starting point is 01:08:18 but you know what I do I do have a soft spot for kids a soft spot for kids um you know but no i look at it look the big account what a big dollar oh there ain't nobody name on that but mine oh joe yeah you'll never you'll never have uh go to get some money
Starting point is 01:08:47 Mr. Sharp there's no money in this account it had me crash out the the funny thing about it is what
Starting point is 01:08:54 what well I mean I have to shoot I man I ain't gonna put my business out there
Starting point is 01:09:00 but but I think you and I have the conversation before it's probably not going to go well and then you know
Starting point is 01:09:09 hey you got to try to you know listen I tell you like my grandma used to say this tooth shall pass damn
Starting point is 01:09:24 but that's tough that's tough to have a uh i mean i don't know maybe that's common though joe maybe that's common i don't know i don't know no no no no no but i said maybe that's common that somebody was in somebody's life for that period of time my kid he's in the kid's life from the time they were like two or three to the time they were like 12 so forth and so um man or female male or female um i don't know it's just let's just say i've never been in that position right um and so i i was just like i think communication is the best thing, but you're probably right. She's probably going to say no. Yeah, probably. She's probably she's going to say no. You know, I've never been I've never been in that situation.
Starting point is 01:10:12 I never had. But just listening to it, I'm just giving a hypothetical on what I would do if the situation presented itself. You know, that's it. Especially if I if I've been with someone who's had kids and I understand the circumstance and the situation the kids are in and understand that the mom is not going to be able to, man, you know, like, you know, do something, man. You know, here go five, 10,000, you know, take care of the kids for Christmas, make sure they're good, you know, whatever it may be. Oh, yeah, you try to get them to divorce, you go up five to 10,000.
Starting point is 01:10:42 We talking about our circumstance. Oh, yeah, yeah. We ain't talking about their circumstance, you give up $5,000 to $10,000. Bad head. We talking about our circumstance. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, okay. We ain't talking about their circumstance, you know. You know, that's a little... I was thinking more along $500 to $500. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think $5,000 to $10,000 is
Starting point is 01:10:59 $100,000, you know, to... Never mind. How many kids is Ocho? They said it was only three. Oh, three. Yeah. You want my kid to get a good Christmas? I mean, you know, what's five, 10,000
Starting point is 01:11:13 to somebody like you, man? That ain't nothing. Oh. Ooh. Bad. Boy, you... bad boy bad yeah 5-10,000 a grubber
Starting point is 01:11:37 alright George you ain't gonna get paid this much George be like boy that got George be like empty kid that ain't got nothing to do with me
Starting point is 01:11:52 oh man I'm like boy I was thinking like maybe a thousand two thousand or two thousand five to ten. Damn.
Starting point is 01:12:06 That'd be real, that cribble. You get that cribble, keep the lights on. Keep the lights on. Keep them in the apartment another month or two. Like $500,000 for three kids what the hell you ain't gonna get
Starting point is 01:12:27 you ain't gonna get nothing you know I mean look you write Ocho uh uh five ten thousand dollars for somebody like
Starting point is 01:12:36 you myself and you you and I not a whole lot of money I mean so but he probably put out about a $500,000
Starting point is 01:12:42 I'm thinking $500,000 yeah yeah but listen I can understand her frustrations you know yeah but I tell you what I know a even now the situation oh she gonna feel some type of way 5 to 10 thousand
Starting point is 01:12:56 cause now she gonna be oh y'all were really connected y'all were really locked in I was just throwing the number out there but you throwing the number out there then she gonna think y'all were really connected. Y'all were really locked in. I was just throwing a number out there. I was just throwing a number. But you're throwing a number out there that she's going to think y'all are really locked in and you still might be locked in. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:14 You're not just... Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q&A. Let's go, Chief! Hey, Aaron Rogers, I know you're probably watching. Let's go cheat Hey Aaron Rodgers I know you probably watch him Let's go tomorrow baby Come on now
Starting point is 01:13:31 Lady Ray Hey guys thanks for having me achieve my New Year's resolution By letting me attend a live show in New Orleans Which one of you guys Are picking my vibes tomorrow And which one of y'all gonna be wrong? Who you taking, Ocho? Hey.
Starting point is 01:13:49 Thank you for that question, lady. Very glad to see you back. Bars must be closed. Listen, honestly, Detroit is playing so well offensively. I know Montgomery is out. Jermaine Giles will be able to show the load. But that goddamn Brian Flores
Starting point is 01:14:05 got that defense playing so well, man. Due to the injuries that the Lions have suffered, I'm edging. I'm edging out. It's going to be a shootout, though. I'm edging out the Vikings getting away with this one. I got them winning the game simply because
Starting point is 01:14:23 of the injuries defensively, you know, for the Lions. Even though, man, Brian Branch and Kirby Joseph, man, they had one hell of a year. You see Kirby, you see Joseph, they make the Pro Bowl.
Starting point is 01:14:37 We got Stubb, bro. Leading the NFL and intercepted with nine at the safety position. Hey, it happened. I remember one year with Simon Fletcher, he led the NFL in sacks and he didn't get selected the safety position. Hey, it happened. I remember one year with Simon Fletcher, he led the NFL in sacks and he didn't get selected. So it's happened before.
Starting point is 01:14:50 Yeah. That is great. Since Ocho taking the bikes, I can't pick with Ocho. He bad luck. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, lady. I'm taking the Lions.
Starting point is 01:15:05 Brandon Hall, new member. Love the show. Bro, thank you so much. I really, really appreciate that. Thank you for stopping by. Hopefully you love the content that Ocho and I put out four or five nights a week. But we appreciate your support. Thank you, Brandon.
Starting point is 01:15:19 We really appreciate that. Zachary Fields, it's my birthday, and I just wanted to wish, give vibes for Nightcap Fam in 2025. Also, who they? Who they? Who they think is going to beat them Bengals? Who they? Who they think is going to beat them Bengals?
Starting point is 01:15:35 Everybody was. Nobody. Who they? You see how y'all can't handle a little prosperity? Y'all can't handle no little prosperity. Y'all can't handle no little prosperity. Y'all won a few games. A few? We ain't lost in five weeks.
Starting point is 01:15:49 What you talking about a few? And there was a couple of times y'all hadn't won in five weeks. So by the time y'all average. Zachary, thank you, bro. I appreciate that, man. And happy birthday. Aaron Owens. Thank God the Bengals won
Starting point is 01:16:05 because Ocho was going to cry in the car. Yep, he sure was. I was going to make sure he cried on air too. Yeah. But he's going to cry
Starting point is 01:16:12 tomorrow night. Oh, no. I'm definitely not. I already told you how the game was going to go. Matter of fact, I want my money in ones because I'm going to go
Starting point is 01:16:19 to the strip club and I'm going to throw them. I'm going to throw them. I'm going to tell the dancer. New Orleans ain't got no strip clubs. Who? New Orleans.
Starting point is 01:16:27 Yeah, they do. They don't? I don't know. Don't start me to lie. I'm sure they do. They got some. Well, if they ain't got no strip club, we'll bring the strippers to us then.
Starting point is 01:16:36 No, we ain't. We ain't going to do nothing. Don't put me in your mess. No. You don't want to have a good time with your money? No. All right. All right.
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Starting point is 01:22:16 or wherever you get your podcasts. Isaiah Lancaster, who do you guys get bounced in the first round next week of the playoffs? And can you drop new merch with your quote, never accept anything in a win. You wouldn't have a loss. That's coming out there. Well,
Starting point is 01:22:42 who remember the five seniors? They're going to be, I got them beating the uh, the Texans. Now what happened if CJ Stroud and that offensive line decided to block and CJ Stroud have a day with Nico Collins? Uh, that's probably, he's going to probably go against the Chargers. Khalil Mack,
Starting point is 01:22:58 Bosa. Ugh. I don't even, I don't even like the thought of that so if I had to pick I think that would be and it could be a situation the four seed is the Rams so I can see a scenario
Starting point is 01:23:19 where both five seeds beat the four seeds the Lions or the Vikes play Minnesota, and obviously it'll be in LA, and the five seed I think will be the Chargers.
Starting point is 01:23:35 I can definitely see them beating Houston, Texas. Guatemalan dude, if any of your playoff teams don't nobody want to see Joey B make the playoffs that team is playing hot and Joey Burrow is making plays
Starting point is 01:23:54 thank you that's what I'm talking about somebody that can actually see it I appreciate that Guatemalan whatever your name is but I appreciate you because Unc can't see it but he gonna know he gonna know
Starting point is 01:24:08 he gonna understand tomorrow and he gonna understand next week when we make it into the first round and we demoralize we gotta play Axel Bravo Unc stop lying
Starting point is 01:24:19 you're terrified for the Broncos Denver and Miami got all the pressure on Sunday no one wants to face the Bengals in the playoffs yeah not gonna be in the playoffs yep You're terrified for the Broncos. Denver and Miami got all the pressure on Sunday. No one wants to face the Bengals in the playoffs. Yeah. You're not going to be in the playoffs. Yep.
Starting point is 01:24:34 Y'all not going to be in the playoffs. Okay. Okay. Listen, I can't convince you because I'm not on the field, but I let the game tomorrow. I let Carson Wentz and Aaron Rodgers do the talking. Y'all, bro, y'all scored 19 points. Stop pretending like y'all scored 40.
Starting point is 01:24:51 Hold on, hold on. We played a divisional opponent. A team with scores always low. Always. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. No. Hootie. Hootie. thank you thank you thank you no who they
Starting point is 01:25:09 who they okay who they Tim Lee Ray Charles can see that this offense Bengals are playing
Starting point is 01:25:15 bad the Bengals are playing bad offenses nobody watched the game and said oh we're scared to play the Bengals
Starting point is 01:25:21 you sound silly they're not going to the playoffs stop thank you Tim and not you can tell Tim probably got one eye we're scared to play the Bengals. You sound silly. They're not going to the playoffs. Stop. Thank you, Tim. And not. You can tell Tim probably got one eye. I guarantee you Tim got one eye
Starting point is 01:25:32 because I don't know what the hell he's been looking at. What you been watching the past four, five weeks? Man, stop playing. Stop playing. Angie Carr, 4,000 yards passing, 900 yards rushing rushing 40 touchdowns 4 INTs insane stats
Starting point is 01:25:50 Lamar is him Henry 1,900 yards first player in history with three 15 plus 100 rush season
Starting point is 01:25:58 rushing yard season 15 touchdowns Ocho what y'all put in the water in Florida shoot ain't nothing but a little you know, little mixture of Kool-Aid, you know, ice cream trucks, candy lady house, you know. Listen, when we drink water,
Starting point is 01:26:16 we drink the water from the water holes on the side of the house. That's how it all starts. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Ashley Moore Watters weapons for now for the MVP
Starting point is 01:26:27 but it didn't stop Mahomes when he had Hill and Kelsey when Brady had Moss when Aaron had Adams Montella had Rice but we draw the line with Lamar and Henry listen
Starting point is 01:26:39 I like that you just said that what you need to understand is is when it comes to certain individuals they will constantly move the goalpost to support whatever narrative they want to run with. And that is what they're going to do. You got to understand that. They will move the goalpost,
Starting point is 01:26:55 which is what they're going to do. I have a feeling. I can feel it. The fact that Josh Allen is still leading an MVP voting race with Drag Kings. I'm not sure what Vegas has the odds at. This is what they do.
Starting point is 01:27:09 They trying to give it to him. Matter of fact, if Lamar Jackson don't win MVP, we riot. Who are we? Me and you. No, I ain't.
Starting point is 01:27:24 I don't care that much. That MVP ain't put nothing in my pocket. No. Miguel Sosa. Green from Mexico. Go Falcons. Woo. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:38 Y'all about to go on vacation, Miguel. But thank you. Vivian Ekime. Uncle Ocho. What do you think the reason why Mahomes was not selected to the Pro Bowl? What do you mean? I think it's the third time. Did you watch Mahomes play all season? It's the third time since the Pro Bowl
Starting point is 01:27:56 has been selected that a quarterback that has won 14 games wasn't selected. Each time that has happened, the quarterback that wasn't selected won the Super Bowl. Tom Brady in 2003 wasn't selected. He won the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 01:28:11 Phil Simms in 1986, he won the Super Bowl. And now Patrick Mahomes. We'll see if history repeats itself. Yeah, but we know why. We know why he wasn't selected. If you watch Mahomes play the entire season outside the past,
Starting point is 01:28:24 what, maybe three or four weeks? He hasn't played well at all. They won the games they needed to win because of him playing extremely well. He's played well when he had to.
Starting point is 01:28:33 In moments, yeah. But overall, based on the Mahomes that we're used to seeing, this was a down year. Down year, yeah. I mean, a down year for Patrick Mahomes
Starting point is 01:28:42 is 28, 29 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, and almost 4,000 yards. That's a down year for Patrick Mahomes is 28, 29 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, and almost 4,000 yards. That's a down year. That just goes to show you how high the bar is that he set for himself. Big Mike said, you think Saquon will regret not pushing harder for that record 10 years from now, going to pay signing and not being the all-time uh leading rusher in a single season i think
Starting point is 01:29:12 opportunities like this don't come along often i mean you got to think about it only three minutes held that record since probably the 60s? 50s? Jim Brown, OJ Simpson, Eric Dickinson. So you got to go back 60, maybe even almost 70 years.
Starting point is 01:29:36 Yeah. I think Perry, I think Joe Perry had it first. Then Jim broke his record. And then obviously OJ and then ED. Matt, you know, I don't want to get myself hot. I don't even get upset about it.
Starting point is 01:29:58 Yeah, because they don't do it at me. Look, I don't think, ain't nothing we can do, Ocho. And it seems like we're more upset than Yeah. He says they said he's going to rest. He says he's okay with it. The bigger players,
Starting point is 01:30:21 they got a higher purpose, but I don't believe those are mutually exclusive. I don't believe because you get one, you lose out on the other. I believe you could have them both, but hey, that's not our decision, Ocho. I think we boys decide that we stand on, but hey. Diane West says,
Starting point is 01:30:37 I'm in the online store stocking on my nightcap gear. Can I make a few requests? What about socks, underwear, lady t-shirts, B-cut or low-cut? I want my t-shirt to match my panties when I watch the games
Starting point is 01:30:54 at home. Okay? I like that. Matter of fact, you know what we can have? Yeah. Like for the ladies, right? what you know what we can have oh yeah like for the ladies right for the ladies we can have nightcap underwear right it could say nightcap on the back and on the front it could say you could say onkonocho no no that's an old dude gonna come why you got onkonocho on the front of your drawers. That's the whole point.
Starting point is 01:31:28 How about we just have it on the rim, maybe a like nightcap or on the rim, Ocho? Okay, but then we have exclusive because we both have fans, right? We have nightcap on the back, right? And then you can either buy, you can buy panties
Starting point is 01:31:41 that say Ocho on the front or you can buy panties. No, I don't mind to say Ocho. Don't say Ocho. Hey, that's could buy panties. No, I don't mind to say Ocho. Don't say Ocho. No. Hey, that's a good idea, though. Like, we could have lingerie. No.
Starting point is 01:31:53 No? I like to, you know what? We have, we are thinking about socks, Diane, or Danny, the t-shirts. We'll talk to our designer and see how we can make that how we can make something that's yeah
Starting point is 01:32:09 but I think they want something you know how women be I like that I like that I like that lingerie hey guys. Oh, man. This jungle here. I like that. The lingerie. Brandon said, hey, guys, I'm 25. I have a crush on a 24-year-old co-worker. No, bro.
Starting point is 01:32:32 Don't stick your dick in your wallet. All the women out there in the world. And you find one woman at work. But let me finish what he said, Ochoa. I have a crush on a 24-year-old co-worker. I now suspect she's flirting or being too playful with a much younger co-worker of ours. I'm bothered because I bought her a necklace with her name on it for Christmas.
Starting point is 01:32:55 I'm hurt, y'all. Man, why are you leaving with money in the first place? Man, what are you doing? You don't leave with money. You don't do that never do that ever go get your chain back like T.I. did Nunu
Starting point is 01:33:12 I know you saw ATL go snatch your chain back the same way T.I. took Nunu chain back you don't do that you don't leave with money bro my grandfather told us something at a very young age I took Nunu chain back. You don't do that. You don't leave with money. Bro. My grandfather told me something at a very young age.
Starting point is 01:33:30 He said, boy, never put your dick in your wallet. Now, if y'all don't understand what I'm saying is that you at work, that's where you make your money. Now it's going to go bad. Now when it does,
Starting point is 01:33:42 then what? That's how, you know, you got to be careful with them gym romances. Because I look at the gym as my sanctuary. Now, it goes sideways, don't you? Which one of us is not going back to that gym? Because I'm not going to have you up in there acting a fool all up in my face. Because first of all, people don't really know you. They go, oh, man, I'm not going to have you up in there acting a fool all up in my face. Because the first thing,
Starting point is 01:34:05 because first of all, people don't really know you. They go, oh, man, I'm so shallow and sharp. He was arguing with some girl. We're having a heated discussion in the corner. You see? Bro. They don't know. Bro, I'm just saying, look,
Starting point is 01:34:20 I don't know where you work. Even if you work at Apple Google uh uh if you work on a campus that got a hundred thousand people bro
Starting point is 01:34:34 go outside bro don't mess your buddy up yeah don't eat with your shit oh lord Greg said can you give my daughter Gia birthday shout out with your shit. Oh, Lord. Greg said, can you give my daughter Gia birthday shout out?
Starting point is 01:34:49 She's 14 today. My mug and T-shirt came yesterday. Greg, absolutely. Happy birthday, Gia. Greg, thank you for watching the show.
Starting point is 01:34:57 Thank you for being so supportive with the purchase of the mug and the T-shirt. Hopefully you enjoyed what you ordered and it's a great quality.
Starting point is 01:35:04 We know it is, but we thank you. Appreciate your support, bro. King Don said, can y'all wish my son casting a happy third birthday? Casted happy third, bro.
Starting point is 01:35:16 You're too young to remember this, but one day you're going to grow up and say, you know what? Uncle don't you wish me a happy birthday. My dad got up and asked him to wish me a happy birthday And they did Casted happy third birthday And many more to come
Starting point is 01:35:30 Marquez, what's up Uncle Nocho Today is a special day It's my girl's, Ali's, birthday Can you please shout her out For the one time love of the show Happy New Year Yes sir Ali, happy birthday.
Starting point is 01:35:46 Your guy Marquez wanted to let you know how special you are and how fortunate he is to have you in his life. So happy birthday. Enjoy this day. Hopefully you guys did something very fun, very romantic, very special. Yeah. Enjoy this day and many more to come.
Starting point is 01:36:02 Happy birthday to... Dominique. Hey, I can note your love nightcap question for y'all. I placed an order for LaPorte maybe three months ago. Uh, when you did the limited edition, never got it.
Starting point is 01:36:16 I've reached out to service. Haven't got any help. Who do I reach out to? Uh, shoot. I should email a deep, a direct message. Cause i want to see so we can trace you we can track it because that's not like us uh to drop the ball and not just like totally send it out but uh if you could do that we would greatly greatly appreciate that and we'll get it taken
Starting point is 01:36:39 care of hey so you guys can wish my my sister Carrie a happy early birthday from her little brother. Carrie, happy early birthday from Ace. The Nightcap crew, Oak and Ocho and family want to wish you one. So hopefully you enjoy your birthday and do something fun.
Starting point is 01:36:59 Enrique Robles. Ocho, much love. My birthday is today. Would love a shout out. The big two six. If you were a past GM, would you trade that pick or take Travis? Thank you very much. Love. What pick they got?
Starting point is 01:37:13 Number one, I'm trading it. I'm trading it. I can get a lot. It all depends. Now, if I get T Higgins might think about keeping it yeah uh
Starting point is 01:37:30 hold on hold on now it all depends what else could I get now let's just say I get that pick
Starting point is 01:37:39 you give me Miles Garrett and your number one pick could that interest you you give me Miles Garrett and your number one pick. Woo-hoo. Could that interest you? It could. Because I get something to help Drake May. I get something to help my defense.
Starting point is 01:37:58 Go along, Gonzalez. But you know, well, that puts him right back in the same situation, though. What? I mean, Miles Garrett. I mean, he wants to go to a contender. Why would you do that puts him right back in the same situation though what i mean miles garrett i mean he wants to go to a contender why would you do that to oh yeah yeah for sure for sure hold on ojo listen i know you want to go to contender but i'm gonna send because contenders this is what we know Ocho contenders are not going to give you the best price
Starting point is 01:38:33 thank you for joining us. The Bengals keep their playoff hopes alive with a 1914 victory over the Steelers and the Baltimore Ravens win the division, the AFC North, with a 35-10 win over Cleveland. Baltimore secures the number three seed. They will play the winner of, if San Diego wins, they go to the six spot. Yeah. If the Chargers win, the Chargers win, Ocho, they're six.
Starting point is 01:39:24 No, if the Chargers win, they're five. The Steelers are six. If the Chargers lose, the Steelers are five and the Chargers are six. So the sixth seed will be either the Chargers or the Steelers, and they face the Ravens. The five seed will also be the Chargers or the Steelers, and they'll face the Texans. So that's the only thing that we know.
Starting point is 01:39:51 What we do know, somebody's going to Buffalo. Either it's going to be Cincinnati, either it's going to be Miami, or it's going to be the Broncos. Seven goes to two. Six goes to three. Five goes to four. six goes to three, five goes to four, one has to buy.
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Starting point is 01:41:31 The Bengals defeat the Steelers, excuse me, 19-17, not 1914, 1917. Keep their playoff hopes alive. Hopefully, they're hoping the Bengals lose and the Dolphins lose or tie. If those two scenarios happen, the Bengals are the seventh seed, and they'll go on the road to face the Buffalo Bills. The Baltimore Ravens. One, 35-10. Lamar Jackson, 217 yards, two passing touchdowns.
Starting point is 01:42:01 Derrick Henry, 138 rushing yards, two rushing touchdowns. He became, set a record, for the most rushing touchdowns in Ravens history. Also, he became the first player in NFL history to have two seasons in which he rushed for over 1,900 yards in a single season. He's also the first
Starting point is 01:42:19 back to have, what, four seasons in which he rushed for at least 1,500 yards rushed for at least 450 yards and had at least 15 touchdowns. Is it three or four? Three or four. For Derrick Henry, he was everything that the Ravens had hoped for when they brought him in.
Starting point is 01:42:50 He had three seasons. Derrick Henry has three seasons when he's run for at least 1,500 yards and had at least 15 rush touchdowns. Baltimore brought Derrick Henry in and believed that he was everything they could hope for. The Dallas Cowboys had no interest in Derrick Henry because they would believe he could offer them nothing.
Starting point is 01:43:08 He added no value to their team. Oh, one team is going to the playoff. The other team is going home. Thank you guys for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow night after Sunday night football game. Oh, and that's the,
Starting point is 01:43:23 the lions and the Packers. So we'll see you tomorrow. Lions and Vikings. I mean, Lions and Vikings. Excuse me, Lions and Vikings. We'll see you after the Lions-Vikings game. He's Ocho. See you tomorrow night.
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