Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Luka talks title run, Kevin Durant & the Suns miss the playoffs, Anthony Edwards answers the challenge.

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the best hoops stories of the week, including Luka saying the Lakers have the team to make a title run, Devin Booker, Kevin Durant & the Suns missing the playoffs, Anthony Edwards being crowned NBA three-point leader for the season, & much more!04:45 - Anthony Edwards answered the challenge13:30 - Luka says Lakers have the team to make a title run21:00 - Luka trade compared to Babe Ruth trade29:00 - Devin Booker, Kevin Durant & Suns miss playoffs45:00 - Unc and Ocho answer your NBA questions(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Before the Jazz game against the Wolves, Malik Beasley tweeted, Ant, you need seven threes to beat me. Ant became the youngest player to lead the league in three points

made. He got it. He said, you need that. Ed said, okay. Say no more, fam. And he went and got it all set up. Yep.

Beat him by one. Mm. Junity. It's so funny. When you think about it, when you think about hitting seven threes, it sounds so easy until you're in a structured environment

actually playing a game and don't understand how difficult it is. Yeah. He was seven of 18, three, 15 of 31 from the field in 40 minutes.

He was plus 20. Rudy Gobert had 19 and 18 rebounds. Drew Randall had 10 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists. They got great production off the bench from Niaz Reed. Gave him 11 points. Dante DiVincenzo gave him 16 points. And Nakia

Alexander gave him 9 points. So 25, 36. They got 36 bench points. The Jazz, Oscar Toshibi, Claywell gave them break points off the bench. I don't know what the Jazz is really going to do.

But the Timberwolves, that's the Lakers' next opponent. They got a guy that can protect the rim, Rudy Gobert. But the thing is, he ain't got no big. He's not a guy you run plays for. You just got to keep him off the glass. Jackson Hayes, just keep him off the glass. Don't go no plump phase.

Don't do any of that. Just keep him off the glass. The problem is that in the fourth quarter, he becomes a liability because everybody's going to put him in the pick and roll and they're going to make him guard. If you go back and watch the game last year, what did Luka do? Put him in the pick and roll. Come on.

As Mark Jackson used to say, shall I have this dance? Yes, you may. And so that's what you got to do to the big guys that punish them. He's out there. Look, as a defensive player, and he's won, what, four defensive players of the year now, Ash? Yes. He's really a help defender.

He's not like an on-ball defender. Elijah was an on-ball defender. You know, Jordan and guys like that were on-ball. He's a help defender because those guys get him out there in no man's land because it's hard. He's 7 foot tall. He's probably the size 19, 20 shoot. Bro, you're not finna slide. You might

get him on the first one, but are you gonna be there that second move? Are you gonna be that third move? Four, yeah. So he tied Ben Wallace because Ben Wallace has four also. And Matumbo K. So it's going to be a very interesting matchup. But Malik,

you told Ed he needs three to beat you. And he's going to get enough shots up. He shot 18 threes. They shot 43. Ed had 18 of the 43. He had seven of the 43 he had 7 of the 13 mates but

now they got what they wanted they're the 6 seed they get the Lakers when does the series start you know when the series start Saturday Sunday 8 so they're playing so they're not

starting before Monday. I mean, Sunday. They don't have the schedule. They don't have the schedule out. Because it's contingent on the playing teams. You don't want to give them a fair. So probably the four or five matchups on both sides and the three, six matchups, they'll probably go off first

because those guys will have forgotten all the rest. They done playing somebody from the, you know, the seven, eight and the nine tens. Right. So that's probably how it's going to go.

That's, that's a good, that's a good thing that we don't know when they played that gives us enough time for Fred to hit us back and give us a number on what it's going to look like for you. You know, I'm serious, man.

That, that, I think that'd be good. Not just for us to watch the game. Oh, no, you just bought a $700,000 car, bro. Come out the money and break bread. Hold on. Let me talk to you real quick.

Let me talk to you. I think it would be cool, right? It's one thing we do to show, right? But we don't really get a chance to really spend time together. Now, we have great chemistry on camera. Now, let's continue that in person, sitting courtside and doing what the fellas do. We could be like life. Remember Martin?

Remember Martin and Eddie Murphy? Yes. Claude and Ray, yes. Yeah, Claude and Ray. Like, no cameras, just two fellas kicking back, watching the game, you know, enjoying it, talking basketball. You can teach me a thing or two. Chad, Chad, y'all help me out. Tell me what I'm

missing here, Chad. Ocho bought, he got a new crib, $21,000 in just a handful of furniture. Y'all saw the man spend all this money on chrome hard jeans, and he just spent $700,000 on a car,

and he want me to pay for courtside seats. Whoa, whoa. Listen, you ain't got to pay for them. We can split it. No, you should pay for it. Okay. All right. I got you.

I got you. So I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. Take that $5,200 table the table And I'll get us A courtside ticket Yeah That's how I'm feeling That's how

I'm feeling like that How you gonna pay How you gonna pay Some of my money Chad You just said Oh now come on now You gotta make up your mind now

Now either we gonna Sit courtside together You know and have Some type of chemistry And enjoy the game Or you want your $5,200 We can't do You can't have it both ways.

Hey, man, I bought you a gift. I bought you a gift with your money. You being selfish, now. Don't be selfish. I'm trying to do something out of the goodness of my heart. You talk about what I owe you, but I'm paying for course side tickets that quadruple what I owe you. But I'm paying for cross-eyed tickets that quadruple what I owe you.

It's the thought that counts. So you're going to buy me... Sharing is sharing. You're going to buy me a ticket with my money. Nah, I'm not going to use your money. I'm going to use the money

I already got. The money I owe you is set aside. Well, set it aside in my pocket. Let it sit beside me. I want it to be beside me. Chad, this man spent $700,000 on a Lambo.

He just got furniture. He got a 7-inch TV with surround sounds. Y'all saw him sitting on a Ferrari. Y'all saw the sitting on a Ferrari. Y'all saw the man in the chrome hard jeans. Hold on. Hold on. That Ferrari old, huh?

That's old. Them chrome hard jeans ain't old. I got a booster in Miami to get everything for me, huh? I ain't even got to pay full price for that. Who made that shirt you got on? I know what it is. I just wanted you shirt you got on? I know what it is. I just wanted you to say it. And I know what it cost. Oh, yeah.

Because I got the lookbook. It's just a little change. Oh, you got this? No, I didn't get that. But I got the lookbook that it came out of. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, I was in the lookbook. And let me treat myself.

It's 2025. I told you, man. I'm shutting down. Treat myself. I got something in mind for $5,200. What you got in mind? Tell me. Tell us what you got in mind.

I better have one of them old Ronis I want to take out. For $5,200? Oh, absolutely not. You ain't spend no $5,200 on no... No. Oh, no. You ain't spending no 5200 on no No I ain't gonna tell me what I can spend my money on Hey you ain't spending Listen

Let me tell you something I love you like a brother And you always talk to me When it comes to doing things I shouldn't be doing You ain't spending 5200 on Nathaniel Nathaniel Because she ain't been in your life long enough Because I don't even know who she is The fact that I don't know who she is That Because she ain't been in your life long enough because I don't even know who she is.

The fact that I don't know who she is, that means she ain't worth $5,200. Now, if she was that special, I wouldn't know about her. I told you, I need $5,200 for the dog. What dog? I told you, I'm getting a dog. Okay, I'll tell you what.

You sent the lady in Europe, right? The dog in Europe. You sent her the first $500, and when she get in with the dog, I see the other $52. right? The dog in Europe. You send her the first 500 and when she get hit with the dog, I see the other 52. I already sent her the money. I already sent her half. Okay.

Okay, when the dog get hit, I pay for the dog. Okay. There you go. Luca says the Lakers have the team to make a title run. Ocho, do you believe it?

Absolutely. Absolutely? Absolutely. Absolutely. He's supposed to say that, huh? Listen, you said Luka, right? Let me make sure I get my bearings right. Listen, Luka said it for a reason. He already did it with Dallas. He already did it with Dallas,

and then he has the greatest player of all time playing alongside of him. If you get everybody else to contribute and the bench shows up when they need to show up, there's a possibility it can be done. Now, I think one of the issues that we're going to run into, look, I'm talking about we. Listen, I'm a Heat fan. I'm just saying we for continuity based on talking about the Lakers and what Luka had to say. If the bench shows up, I think the only issue we will have is the fact that they don't have a big, huh?

And depending on who they play, styles and matchups are very important in the seven-game series. Very important. They don't have a big. Minnesota doesn't have a big that you can like. Rudy Gobert is not going to hurt you because they don't have to run plays. Now, you're going to have to keep him off the glass because he can rebound

and give you second chance opportunities. There it is. That might be a problem because we don't have nobody. Who do we? Why do I keep saying we? God damn it. Who do we have that can do that?

Jackson Hayes should be able to keep him. To prevent them from having second chance, second shot chances. Jackson Hayes. That's my dude. And you know that's Coach Hayes' son, huh? Who are Coach Hayes. That's my dude. You know that's Coach Hayes' son, huh? Who are Coach Hayes? My tight end coach for the Baylor.

Oh, is he? That is his son. Yes, that's his son. If I'm not mistaken, I think he was at Kansas City when I was in the league. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I think he was at Kansas City when I was in the league. I didn't know that.

Matter of fact, I got the picture with LaHaze, right? He was yay high. I'm talking about short. I didn't know that, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah.

Matter of fact, I only knew because the same night when the Lakers played Philly when um when uh god damn Pat Bentley was there Pat Bell was coming over to talk to me and Jackson Hayes came up first and it pissed Pat off so Pat walked off and I

look I'm like wait a minute why would you you and I didn't know he was in the NBA he's like yeah I asked him how Pops was doing. Pops was doing good. I was like, man, crazy. He's not coaching Cincinnati, is he? No, no, no. He's not in Cincinnati.

You know, Zach Taylor, that's a completely different staff. Completely different. Top to bottom. Yeah. But I think it's going to be great. I think it's, look, Luka, LeBron, and AR, that should be plenty of offense. Guys just got to play their role. You need –

That's it. Finney Smith, you need Vando. When they come in, they need to do a job. Hey, Ant-Man going to get his points, but you just got to make it difficult. You got to make him exert himself as much as you possibly can. On the defensive end. So that's going to be on Luka. That's going to be on AR.

You got to make him work. You got to make him exhaust himself on one end of the court. You can't let him rest. He's not going to play LeBron. LeBron's too big. So somebody's got to guard Luka. And so if I'm looking at the – pull back up.

Oh, let me see here. Pull this up right quick. Suka, they possibly put on Luka. Oh, Mark's score. Trying to figure who they're going to put on Luke. Nah, not that. They don't want that game. Oh, here it is right here.

See what they can put on Luka. Jade McDaniels? Well, he can only guard one. Julius Randle will probably take LeBron. Jade McDaniels is going to have to guard Luka. Luka. Or he's going to have to guard AR. And that means, what do you call it? Ant-Man is going to have to guard AR. And that means, what's it called?

Ant-Man is going to have to guard the other one. I'm excited, man. I'm excited. Listen, just sitting here talking about it, man, with you back and forth, man, you got to want to actually be there in person, man. Because I think the chat would enjoy that. The chat would enjoy it. Just you

and I at the game. Oh, man, I'm excited. I got chills talking about it, man. I can't wait. Oh, it's going to be a great one. It's going to be a great series. I'm hoping for a great series. Hopefully everybody stays healthy and gets the job done.

But I don't think you can really. I think this is a great matchup. You got LeBron, Luka, and you got Ant-Man. Yes, sir. You can't ask for anything more than that. Then you got a young star. You got LeBron. We know what he is in the playoffs.

All the records for the most part. Ten NBA Finals, four championships, four MVPs, first in point scores, second assist. 10 NBA Finals, 4 Championships, 4 MVPs 1st in points scores, 2nd in assists you know, up there at rebounds up there in block shots and all that so this is a great matchup

I can't wait to see it probably not going to get kicked off before Sunday of next week I guess it may be Saturday, maybe Saturday but I'm thinking Sunday huh? I don't know I can say maybe Saturday, maybe Saturday, but I'm thinking Sunday. Huh?

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, Joe, Jason Kidd says there are some are comparing the Babe Ruth Luca with A.D. They're comparing that trade to when Babe Ruth, the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees for $100,000 because the owner wanted to finance a movie, which is kind of cool in regards to the Luca trade. I mean, if the Yankees is pretty cool, not if you're the Red Sox, because it was 80 years and you was cursed. So I don't know the prism or the lens in which

J. Kidd is looking at this through, but he's on the wrong end of this trade currently. So for the Yankees, yes, it's very cool. Excuse me, for the Lakers, it's very cool, like it was for the Yankees because they got Babe Ruth. The team that traded Babe Ruth, there was an 80-year stretch where it wasn't cool.

It wasn't good. And I think the lens that he's looking at it from, he's looking at it on how great Babe Ruth was, not only when he left the Red Sox, but what he was able to do for the Yankees once he got there. And I think Jason King can also see long term the visual effects of having Luka and how consistent he's going to be with the Lakers. And it's almost a shot at his own organization, huh? Yeah. It's a shot at his own organization, because how could we do this where you're comparing the trade of Luka to the lakers to that of bay roof leaving the red socks that goes to the yankees yeah because

we know what he did for the yankees it catapulted them and put them in a stratosphere and they now as far in terms of baseball they're the number one baseball team and i mean hey the yankee pinstripes yeah nobody else nobody else has a a yankee pinstripe. Yeah. Nobody else has a Yankee pinstripe. Right. Or has a signature or Seville, Savile, Roll, whatever you want to call it, where they're named after something like, man, them Yankee pinstripes. Nobody else has that. Beirut, trade Boston and New York for cash.

University regarded as one of the worst sports trades in history. Yeah. The Yankees became the Yankees. The Red Sox suffered a curse of the Bambino by not winning the World Series for 86 years. I don't know if the Dallas fans are going to be happy if they don't win a championship for 86 years. Well, it's likely looking to going down that way

unless someone magical comes along and free agency. Someone magical comes along. That's a one and done in college, it ain't looking too pretty. Well, let's see what happens when Kyrie gets back. Hey, stop. When Kyrie gets back, AD, with the team they have, they have Gafford, they have Lively, they got three live active bodies that you can play ad at the four now when you really need him you can play him at the five late in the ball game which he likes to be which plays

his best when he's at the four but he can play the five last five minutes of the ball game right you got three active big with gaffer ad and lively likely it's likely lively lively lively there huh yeah lively the second so once you get him Kyrie Nick Marshall has played really well let's see Clay Clay has had some really good games he's been off obviously we know Clay is not what he once was but he can get hot he can catch fire yeah definitely so let's see. Right now is really not the time. I know everybody's looking at the trade of a vacuum because what the Lake sense, what Luke is doing for the Lakers and especially what he did

last night. Yeah. Let's give this trade a year or two. Then we can really assess it says, okay, because what happens if the Mavericks are in the finals? What happens if they turn this thing around? So, no, I think with Kyrie, I think with Kyrie Ocho, we know Kyrie is an all-star.

And he was an NBA and an all-star. So two of those guys with the team that they got, obviously they could possibly make some moves. Now we'll have to say they don't make a move and could possibly land KD. Now are you still upset? No, I'm not. AD, what to say they don't make a move and could possibly land KD? Now, are you still upset? No, I'm not. Kyrie and AD? Hold on.

We keep talking about Kyrie. Listen, I love Kyrie. I love everything that he does, right? Everything that he can do, especially being one of the greatest dribblers and great dribblers of the ball and being able to create his own shot. But, he's coming off an ACL tear. Do we know what Kyrie we're getting coming off of that?

Can he come back and still have the same lateral movement, the same quickness, still be able to do the same things he did that made him special when he has a ball in his hands? We don't know that yet. I believe he will, considering with the way medicine is and the way these guys come back now. It used to be a death sentence when you had an ACL back in the 70s, maybe even the 80s.

But now with the way medicine is, Ocho, these guys coming back in seven, eight months. Now basketball players, they normally err on the side of caution. Yes, sir. So he probably won't be back until after the new year. So 26 possibly would be the earliest that you're going to see Kyrie. But I have no doubt in my mind that he's going to come back and be the same Kyrie. He's still going to be dynamic.

He's still going to be electric. And now you pair him with AD, and who knows what they're going to do there. I don't believe they're expanding Pat. Obviously, look, there's reports out there that the Suns are going to have to do something. Because the way they're constructed, even with KD, even with Book, even with Bradley Beal, they're going to miss the playoffs. They're not even in the play-in. So you can't keep this team the same.

Right. You're paying $300-plus million. You got $300-plus million tied up in three guys, and you missed the playoff in its entirety? Yeah. You got to blow it up. You got to blow it up. KD is leaving.

I know that. Yeah. KD is leaving. I know that. Yeah. KD, Bill, I mean, hey, you got to move on because it's not working. It hasn't worked. And a matter of fact, when they made the playoffs, if I'm not mistaken, I think they got swept. So you get swept. You miss the playoffs.

It's over. Yeah. It's over. So let's see what they do. But, yeah, J. Kid, I don't know. I mean, you look at this thing, I think you look at it upside down. Had you got Luka, you could say, yeah, we can compare this. But y'all shipped Luka out.

So I guarantee you the Red Sox weren't once Babe Ruth started knocking the ball over the fence and they started winning World Series. Yeah, I don't think they were this happy that they thought

they were going to be. Yeah, you got to look at it though. For Jason Kidd to say what he's saying as the head coach of the Dallas Mavericks it just tells you

how special Luka was. You're even using that in comparison to that trade that long ago. Again, it's a low blow and it's a shot at management. How could you do something like this? How could you have a trade of this magnitude? Because he's comparing it to that of Babe Ruth leading the Red Sox. Right. And plus the thing is, Luka's 26. He didn't ask to be traded. Babe Ruth didn the Red Sox. Right. And plus the thing is, Luke is 26.

He didn't ask to be traded. Babe Ruth didn't ask to be traded. You know, the owner wanted to finance a play and he needed money. And hey, it happened. And they traded, if I'm probably mistaken, because they're in the same division now. I don't know if they were back then.

But you traded him to a division rival. So it's crazy that it happened. But hey, I don't know if crazier things have happened, but we'll see. I think you're going to have to give this deal. I can't look at it this year. Kyrie got hurt. AD was hurt for a large part, a large stretch. I think he missed 20 plus games.

After he got there, played great the first three quarters of a game and was outstanding. And then he got injured and he missed some time. So let's see over the next two to three years how this trade play out because we might look at it, hey, might look at it totally different. Devin Booker spoke about the Suns missing the play-in. He said, it's been a slow bleed out. I've been feeling this way the majority of the season.

Does the Sun missing the playoffs change your view on KD's legacy? No, absolutely not. I don't think it changes his legacy. There's only so much KD can do. KD still, regardless, them missing the playoffs will be one of the greatest scores of all time. Nothing will change that. I think the

chase of having super teams, I think it's come to an end now. I think it's come to an end. KD's probably going to be move on somewhere else. Where he goes, I'm not sure. I think he will try to get another title or two. So wherever he chooses to go,

I'm sure management might not cooperate, but probably give him that grace in sending him somewhere where he wants to play and where he has a chance of winning a title. I don't think Devin Booker is going to be there as well. I think I'm not going to use it. I hate using the term you wore out your welcome. You don't want to stay too long,

similar to what stayed with the Blazers to stay too long, similar to what, stay with the Blazers a little too long because you wanted to be loyal. Oh, no, you talking about, you talking about KG with the Timberwolves. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. With the Trail Blazers.

Dame Dollar? Yeah, Dame, Dame, Dame. I don't want Devin Booker to do that. You know, I don't want you to wear out your welcome and try to be loyal to a franchise

that really, really isn't going anywhere. Give yourself a chance. Give yourself a chance to compete at a championship or at least make the playoffs and get past the first round. So I think both of them are probably going and the Suns are going to have to scrap everything and really start all over.

But this is where I would disagree with you. This notion that we put, drop Kevin Durant in and that team is automatically a championship contending team is just no longer true. We've seen him get dropped in at Brooklyn. He got swept and he got to the second round. He had a three, two lead and he lost two games,

the game seven on his court. We see him go to Phoenixoenix with devin booker and bradley beal yes sir while his legacy might not be altered it may or may not let's see once his career is done but this notion that you drop kevin durant in anywhere and they are a championship contending team is no longer true. It's no longer true. And I don't think I defy the person that can argue that point and say, Shannon, it is true.

We saw him with Kyrie. We saw him with James Harden. We saw him with Devin Booker. We saw him with Bradley Beal. Right. The only thing that we know is Steph Curry, Draymond, and Klay Thompson. That was a team that won 73 games the year before he got there and blew a 3-1 lead.

They beat a team. Kevin Durant was on the same, was on the team that blew the 3-1 lead to Golden State. Golden State turned around and blew a 3-1 lead to the Cleveland Cavaliers. So with that being said, I think it's going to be hard-pressed for any analysis, for any historian, for any player in the NBA, as great as Kevin Durant is, to say that you're just dropping men in their championship contending team is not true.

It's not true. Because we've seen it. Hold on. Even with him being able to score the way he can? So what happened? So could he not score in Brooklyn? Remember, everything went haywire in Brooklyn with Kyrie. And what happened in Phoenix?

You see, we keep saying, see, you keep coming up with excuses. Well, I'm just telling you, it's not excuses if it's documented on what happened. Kyrie, you know, I'm not sure what was wrong with Kyrie. James Harden, James Harden wanted out. I mean, it seemed like everything fell apart from what looked good, that even I thought, you know, as somewhat of a basketball fan, I'm like, oh, well, the Nets, they definitely going to have a shot. They definitely coming out east.

That's what I thought until, you know, Kyrie with the scrunnel. James Harden got upset. He wanted out. And KD was like, why? Why did James Harden want to get out? I have no idea. I don't know what type of internal issues they were having. Just from the outside looking in, I thought it was a good guy. Y'all stop this. See, every time we have a conversation,

they try to slide LeBron. That's not true because LeBron went to Miami. Okay. What were they doing before LeBron arrived in Miami? When LeBron left, how long before they got back to another NBA finals? When LeBron went to Cleveland, how long before they returned to the finals? They went all four years, they won one. Kyrie got hurt in the overtime of game one. Kevin Love never played in that series. He goes to the Lakers. And in the second year, they win a title.

So this notion that where LeBron James goes, the rings don't follow, is just not true. Because we've seen him move three times in all three locations. There's a trophy, and he's the finals MVP. So this notion that LeBron James doesn't move the needle is just not true. You might not like

him, you can call him all the names you want, but it's factual. It's factual. It's factual. Pure and simple. I get it. He's the most, I mean, he has a Ken doll now, the first athlete to be a Ken ambassador. Very unique.

Unbelievable. They got all the details right. But this notion, guys, come on now, let's be fair. See, y'all blame it. So he's in Phoenix. He got Devin Booker, who's an all-star. Bradley Beal was an all-star. They missed the playoffs with three all-stars.

They missed the playoffs. They got swept the first year. Come on, man. Cleveland seems to be doing fine without him. How long has LeBron... Hold on. How long has LeBron been in L.A.? Four? Has it been four years?

Like seven years? 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. Six years. So six years. Now, I know after LeBron left, give me a pick. Darius Garland. What pick was Darius Garland? Because if you're doing well, you're not picking Darius Garland.

Darius Garland was the top five pick. Am I correct? He was the fifth pick in the draft. What about Sexton? What pick was he? Hold it. Hold it, Sexton. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What pick was Evan Mobley? So this notion y'all talk about Cleveland seem to be just fine. They should be. They got to talk. Evan Mobley was the third pick in the draft.

Darius Garland was the fifth pick in the draft. O'Connor was the fifth pick in the draft. Yeah. What pick was Sexton? Mobley was three. O'Connor was five. Garland was five. What about Sexton?

They ended up trading him to get Donovan Mitchell. He was a lottery pick. Yeah. He was five. Garland was five. What about Sexton? They ended up trading him to get Donovan Mitchell. He was a lottery pick. Yeah. He was eight. So I damn sure Hope's already doing just fine now. It took a while. You got a top. You got two top.

You got three. You got three. Top five picks. Three. Three. Come on now. Y'all don't want to argue this y'all really don't

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Ocho I don't see here's the problem that you have when you trade for KD because you're going to have to give up so much to get him because they gave up so much to get him think about what they gave up, what they traded. A Mikael Bridges, a Cam Johnson, four first-round picks.

So I need to replenish my cupboard, my pantry, for what I lost giving him up. Now, you're never going to get equal value back. There you go. So already knowing that, they can only ask for so much. Because there is no equal value out there in the NBA outside of players that are untouchable. Outside of players that are going to be untouchable. Right.

And so that's the thing, Ocho. But see, him going to Golden State, because let's just say Golden State had to trade for him. They would have probably had to give up Klay or Draymond. They would have had to give up a piece. But because he was a free agent, it made it easy. It made it easy. I ain't got to give up anything. And he took a

friendly deal. He could have got more. He took a little less money. He goes to Brooklyn. He's a free agent. They don't have to give up anything. Now you can trade those pieces. Kyrie was a free agent. They go together. James Harden comes. You had to give up some, So now you can trade those pieces. Kyrie was a free agent. They go together. James Harden comes. You had to give up some, but now you got Harden, you got Kyrie,

and you got KD. For whatever happened, James Harden sees where it's going. He's like, man, we can't win here. He wanted to trade. You trade for Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons was damaged in Philly. I knew from the time they lost that to Atlanta, I said it was done. Because once I heard Doc talk after the game, I heard Joel Embiid talk after the game.

Go back and look it up. I said, he's done there. It'll never be the same. It's done. Now, you get him, not Kyrie. You have the COVID situation. Kyrie doesn't take the COVID vaccination. He has the issue where he tweeted the link.

Okay, whatever happened, it happened. He moves. KD's like, bro, it is what it is. It's not going to work. Let me go somewhere. He wanted to go to Phoenix. He likes Book. Seemed like a great. But you got it. But see, when you trade

the same thing with Melo when he went to the Knicks, you have to give up so much to get him you looking at that team you're like well damn man i really like that they nice over there when you get there they've given up all the top two three of the top picks and draft picks well how do you how do you build a team, Ocho? You're 3-D. You have no depth. Yeah. See, the difference is Boston drafted, drafted. So we got our core.

Right. Now, the first mistake that they made, Milwaukee, they traded for Dane. They give up Holiday. Well, it seems to me when you give up Dane, Portland says, we're going young. Right. Boston says, we'll take Holiday. We'll take him off your hands. You get Derek White on a

deal early. You bring Big Al back. Yeah. You made him whole. So now I can build around because I'm piecing things together. I don't really have to give up a whole lot because Portland wanted to go young.

They weren't asking. They didn't ask for Jalen Brown. They didn't ask for, well, obviously Tatum, you're not getting him. And they swung the deal for Przingas. Przingas wanted out. He didn't want to play with Luka anymore.

He said, I'm tired of y'all blaming me for every damn thing. I'm going to get out. So that's the problem that you have. When you give up so much for KD, what do you have, Ocho? You could have two stars, but what about your bench? What about your depth? That's where the Celtics beat your ass. Yeah.

They come in with Pritchard. They come in with Hauser. They come in with Al Horford off the bench. You've got three perimeter defenders with Holiday, with Derek White, and Jalen Brown. Tatum can defend. Obviously, he's not like those guys, but he can defend. Yeah.

You got to have depth. OKC. Depth. Damn. I don't like that. That's why Cleveland made the trade to get DeAndre Hunter. They wanted to add strength to their bench

because if you can't have a bench, that's what Golden State used to kick your ass. If they had a lead, the second unit, the Shock Troops, would extend the lead. If the other team had the lead, they would cut into it or even the game up. Now you bring Chady, you bring Steph, you bring Draymond, you bring Clay back. They run away from you. Yeah. Well, the way you make it sound, it's away from you. Yeah. Well,

the way you make it sound, it's like, it's impossible. It's impossible for KD to go anywhere. So he might as well stay in Phoenix because there's nowhere they can get the value or the conversation for him. No.

The problem is, he knows they tried to, they wanted, they would have, if KD would have said, yeah, I want to go, they would have moved him. It was in the middle of the season.

It was in the middle of the season. So nothing could happen. Guess they would have moved him. It was in the middle of the season. It was in the middle of the season. So nothing could happen in the middle of the season. Guess what? If they want to move you in the middle of the season, what the hell do you think they'll do in the offseason? They're going to move me in the offseason. Yeah, they're going to do it. Hey, how do you think he arrived in Phoenix?

There was a middle of the season trade. Yeah. So it was not like he's new to this that's how he can ride the things I was there during the Super Bowl, it happened during the Super Bowl remember I told you at our hotel I walked in the hotel and I was like

damn that's a tall ass dude that's KD uh it's gonna be I stopped. I was KD. It's going to be... My thing is, it's just that you're going to have to give up so much to get it. They're going to want...

I mean, if he goes to Miami, who do you think they're going to want? Are you going to give up Hero? Are you going to give up Bam? Are you going to give up Hot... What? Hot Smith? Was it Hot Smith?

Hot Tower? Which one is it? Probably Tyler. you'll give up Hot Smith Hot Tower which one is it? probably probably probably Tyler no they ain't Pat Riley ain't giving up

Tyler Hero when they got scary Terry Rozier they gonna probably want to get up off him cause he's dealing with the stuff with the gambling

and all that he's been injured mmm that's tough Pat Dove said you better not let Stephen A slide at the next mess around and lose the third seed to the Pacers Celtics back to back

oh no he already know he already know I see his ass this week oh he better not and we go and we mess around I think we play we play Houston tomorrow right Houston tomorrow and then Portland on Sunday. All we got to do is win one game.

We got Thursday locked up. It's on for him. Oh, he ain't sliding back. Generation, Olympic, Olympic, Luka is prolific. Luka is fine. Sheldon Pope, KD is going to be looking for a team Ocho can see KD

in your city playing for the Heat what's the pitch Ocho you can sell KD to come to Miami and play and live

I mean it's Miami Miami it's Miami a place like here I think if we get we can get Pat Riley to take a backseat and not try to be

the enforcer and the the ruler of whole ways that he is. Oh, Joe. Yeah. The Miami Heat was in the midst of a 27-game winning streak. And to assert his power, he took cookies that he knew LeBron James was looking for. Does that strike you as a guy that's willing to cede anything? Yeah, you're right. You're right, Uncle. But if we

here, Heat Nation, want to get back to our winning ways, we need someone like Kevin Durant to come in here and just give us a chance. I'm not saying... You need Pat Riley to stop trying to assert his power. Well, we need... Mickey Harrison need to talk to him then.

Mickey need to say something. Turn it over. I mean, Pat has an ownership stake. Mickey and his son and his family are the majority owners. But Pat do have a percentage in there. That ain't happening. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming.

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