Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Mahomes ankle injury, Purdy wants top dollar, Josh Allen MVP

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 15 of the NFL season including an NFL Exec naming Atlanta Falcons TE Kyle Pitts the “biggest disappointment,” the Detroit Lions revoke a fans tickets after an altercation with Green Bay Packers HC Matt LaFleur, Derrick Henry ditches the dreds for braids and much more!03:10 - A look at Kyle Pitts’ career08:05 - Lions revoke season tickets from a fan due to altercation16:32 - You gotta understand your role on your team20:00 - Derrick Henry changes his hair21:28 - Does Ocho need to retire from Madden?22:43 - NFL Storytime with Shannon(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Seems to go through the motions almost disinterested. Definitely a bust based on expectations and what they passed up. He broke on the scene. He was one of the, I think he was the second tight end in NFL history to go over 1,000 yards receiving in his rookie season. Mike Ditka was the first one. Yeah. Based on that, and I thought he was sensational at Florida.

Guy could run. He could move like a receiver. Big, yeah, tremendous hands oh he had he had it all flies speed catch a great hand can catch the ball in traffic high point the ball great run up the knee injury the acl i think that that slowed it down a little bit that's all that's all man listen kyle pitts is phenomenal and even now with a little limp and a little little injury he's still a mismatched nightmare I just think they don't know how to use him the right way where he is you can't have someone that played listen on the line with his hand in the

dirt he can he can go he can play in the slot he can play a receiver he can play he can play all he can do all these different things and all of a sudden now he gets to Atlanta and, you know, you have him playing a traditional tight end type role when there's so many other ways that you can use them offensively, you know? I mean, they're just not using them to the best of his abilities. Now I could be wrong. I just know that injury, that injury has affected him a lot. Now. Uh-huh,

I will concede this, uh-huh, Desmond Ritter, Tyler Heineke, hell, I don't know, me, Gronk, Kellen Winslow II, Travis Kelsey, could put up numbers with those guys.

So let's not pretend like he was with, you know, Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow, uh, some of these other elite quarterbacks. He's not, but the one thing that you can do is that, like I said, I hadn't looked at it,

but he said that they look like he's going through the motion. Excuse me. It doesn't seem like he's given max effort. Now I get it. If you're probably, if you're frustrated Ocho you're not getting one game he can have 100 and then hell

he can go 2-3 games he might get like 2-3 cards the creativity and allowing team to dictate whether you can get the ball or not and I hate offenses that are run like that mm-hmm I hate offenses that are run like that. It's like I said, plus. When he was with Arthur Smith, I thought that was the perfect situation.

Arthur Smith loves to tidy it. And I think I think like his like I I said his rookie year he was sensational and we haven't seen that since I might have to call and get some footage I think there is some truth to it

but going through the motions I mean nobody is actually going through the motions because it's actually on film you're not going through the motions because it's actually on film. You're not going through the motions. Maybe this exec, whoever this exec may be, is finding a reason to hate. I hate execs that don't reveal who they are. Hey. Yeah?

Bro, you see what he got shams when he attached when he attached the uh agent's name to it bro you can't do that right okay that's why they tell you off the record you didn't hear from me right okay put it put phrase it however you want to but just make sure it doesn't come back to me it ain't that complicated my sources yeah don't worry about it

these sources it's 2020 and 2025 these sources need to stand ten toes and let it be known forget the source it's coming from me I'm the horse and I'm the mouth bro I want to get that check It's coming from me. I'm the horse and I'm the mouth. Bro, I want to get that check. Right. Hold on. Just to appease a player or a fan base,

you think I'm going to give up a $10 million job? Just to appease y'all? You're out your damn mind. You're not going to do that either. Man, you're crazy. Hell no. No chance. They always come from somewhere. man you're crazy no chance they always come from somewhere it always comes from inside the house it always comes from inside the house

every time the Lions revoked season tickets of a fan who had a pregame verbal altercation with Matt LaFleur at Ford Fields last week a TV camera caught the end of the heated exchange between LaFleur and Fahad Yusuf. LaFleur could be yelling at the fan but said his actions were provoked. I've never been a part of something like that, LaFleur said.

He was talking junk to our players, giving them a throat slash sign. You're trying to de-escalate it and then gets in my face and I thought it was pretty unsportsmanlike. Yusuf said he was devastated by the move after being contacted via email. The biggest punch in the gut, man, just waking up and seeing that email and not being able to talk to somebody in person, it was a terrible feeling. I don't have a chance to give my side of the story. You can't do that, man. You can't do that.

You just can't do that. You can't. Listen, the just can't do that. You can't. Listen, the NFL is not going to go forward. The team is not going to go forward because you're a representation of them. So if you as a fan of said team is chatting and talking trash to the opposing team's head coach, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think is going to happen? What do you think is going to happen? You have to remain a fan.

You have to remain in your position as a fan. What? I'm surprised. I'm surprised. There's no difference. There's no difference. Then playing in the NBA, you got fans heckling players on the sideline just because you're sitting courtside. You better enjoy the game.

There's no need to disrespect the opposing team's head coach. For what? You know what? It'd be interesting to see, to hear what was said. I don't think the throat-slashing gesture is enough.

Like I said, I don't know. Did he say the magic word? Did he say the N-word? Right. Did he say some of the other stuff? Did he call somebody a monkey? Yeah. I mean, what were some of the words, Ocho?

And then, like I said, I don't know. Now, you're talking to somebody that's been in a similar situation. Everybody knows my story. It's well-documented. I got into a verbal altercation with some of the Grizzlies players. Now, if the Lakers said, Shannon,

you can't come back. I'm dead ass wrong. Hey, the money that I paid for the tickets, I got to eat that. I got to eat that. Because my thing,

Ocho, you know how I am. I control Shannon's actions. I don't get to control the consequences that came from Shannon's actions. I don't get to control the consequences that came from Shannon's actions. And I get what he's saying. He's like, man, I ain't even get a chance

to talk to nobody. I ain't get a chance to explain my side of the story. I get I was wrong, but you know, hey. Right. Maybe I'm a little bit more sympathetic and understanding because sometimes ocho man you look look i i ain't gonna lie hell i forgot i was at the game and you were and you were hot you were hot i ocho bro it was like i'm like i'm thinking i'm on the corner i'm at the

barbershop yeah and i'm going i'm going back and forth oh you like this guy I like this guy it's like you know we having a conversation about Kobe LeBron or Kobe Jordan or Jordan uh uh uh uh Bron Kobe that's how it was I don't I honestly I don't remember anything until the security got me back and uh uh uh into the hallway

and uh they ask hey oh you okay and I'm and I'm And I'm like, why y'all keep asking me am I okay? What happened? They're like, oh, you okay? And I'm looking at a man, he looking at me like,

I'm like, yeah, I'm okay. And then it didn't really dawn on me. But at that point in time, I was like, oh, thank God Lord have mercy. I said, I don't know if my sister's going to see this, my brother's going to see this, the kids are going to see this. I said, I know Fon's going to see this.

Hell, everybody's going to see this. There were no consequences behind that, right? Nah, nah. There was a consequence of my image. Other than that, no, I didn't suffer any monetary damage. But like I said, if the Lakers had told me that I was not allowed to come back anymore,

they wouldn't do that to you. I mean, listen, that happens. Emotions rise, obviously, when it comes to players, when it comes to fans. Obviously, with you being a public figure and your passion for the game of basketball and the Lakers as well, they wouldn't do that. Now, the situation with the fan and talking to a head coach like that is

completely different. Completely different. Yeah, I don't... And the thing was, Ocho, like, the officials because... Zach... I forget the official name and i have seen i have i

had seen him at a game before uh but like i said i mean i was just you know it was just good old trash talking hey you know this and that and then it just escalated to you know, I'm like, whoa! Hold on now. Hey, don't y'all let the big sweater fool you now. Yeah. Nah, nah, nah. I ain't wanted to get out of hand like that. But, and look, and I'm older, but

the problem that I'm most disappointed in, my job as the adult in that situation is to lower the adult in that situation. Hey, hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on now. Hold on now. Sometimes, sometimes as an adult, you got to raise the temperature.

Because if somebody slap you on the Bible, they say turn the other cheek. Are you going to turn the other cheek? Oh, see, there we go. There we go. There we go. Nobody slapping nobody. Yeah. But all the words,

but in a situation like that, the words, I could have just like, you know what, bro? Hey, just sit down, enjoy the game, blah, blah, blah. But the thing was,

when people tried to spin it, oh man, he about to fight, he about to crash out by LeBron. LeBron didn't have nothing to do with this. LeBron didn't have anything to do with this. LeBron ain't had anything to do with this. Me and Brooks were having a very healthy conversation. We going back and forth.

I like that. We going back and forth. He said what he said. I'm saying what he said. And then it got a little, it went to a, I thought it went to a spot that it didn't need to go. And then John came in. I'm like, oh, oh. Yeah, that's his teammate.

That's his teammate. Yes, it did. That's his teammate. Yes. And then his dad. And boy, now see, that's what really got me. Of all the things, Ocho, I was focused on them. And if you notice immediately, Ocho, I hear somebody say, he won't do nothing, but I will. Man, please.

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Drake Greenlaw was the starting linebacker, Ocho. Now, he was placed, remember Drake Greenlaw, was the starting linebacker beside, in the Super Bowl. He just got activated. So, I guess what that meant is that Devondre Campbell, either he didn't start or his playing time was cut. This is what was said. Devondre Campbell told the team he didn't want to play anymore and he left the game in the third quarter of tonight's game, per Kyle Shanahan.

Tredavious Ward spoke about Campbell leaving a team middle of the game. Yeah. Can I ask you something? Can I tell you something? Do you understand his frustration, though? Yes. Do you understand? No.

I don't agree with it. I don't agree with it. Listen, as a teammate, as a player on a team, you got to understand your role. You got to understand why you're in the role and the position you're in. Because he got hurt. Because he got hurt.

But then I'm thinking about also being able to empathize with him. But damn, I've been putting in all this work all this time. I've been playing all this time. And all of a sudden, he comes back, and I got to take a back seat? Well, obviously, you want to start from the get-go. So, hello? You got to take a back seat. Well, obviously, you want to start from the get-go. So, hello? You got to remember that. But I think

I'm seeing him from his perspective, well, damn, I've been putting all this work, meetings, practice, playing, doing everything I can, and all of a sudden he comes back from injury, and now I'm on the, what? You got to understand your role, young boy.

You got to understand your role you got to understand your role come on man bro first of all had he not got hurt you wouldn't have been there you got to realize you got released from the Packers so they threw you a lifeline he was coming back

okay I'm going to play my role whatever they need hey i only signed a one-year deal anyway right my season about to be over in the next four or five weeks hey and he had the nerve to walk off walk off the field yeah hey um you got listen you know yeah hold on for one you got to be that boy to pull some like that off you ain't i'm saying no you know you know what i mean you got to be you got to be fred to pull some s*** like that off. You ain't, I'm saying, you know what I mean? You got to be, you got to be Fred Warner

or somebody like that. Okay, we know you're upset. You know, come on back. We'll work things out. Boy, if you're in a one-year deal, are you acting like that? Exactly. Exactly.

But no great player would ever do something like that. Also, no great player would be in that position where they would have to do something like that. So you have to understand. Exactly. But no great player would ever do something like that. Also, no great player would be in that position when they would have to do something like that. So you have to understand. Correct.

You do, I think there's a situation, Davis, the DB. Oh, oh. Remember the DB? Bonte, yeah. In Buffalo? Hey, I heard the story. Bonte had to have like,

man, I can't do this no more, man. I can't do this no more. Yeah. Yeah, Bonte, rest in peace, man, I can't do this no more, man. I can't do this no more. Yeah. Yeah, Bronte, rest in peace, man. It's, uh, yes, yes. But, yeah, I've never, man, these guys do, I've never been a part of something like this. In my 14-year career, I can honestly say

I've never seen someone that refused to go into the game. Somebody actually did that not too long ago. Deontay Johnson, he refused to go to the game in the third quarter. Yeah, and now we have... Yes, yes. It got suspended. Oh, A.B. did it. In Tampa, yeah. You remember A.B.

did it at the Jets and took his fans off it. Derrick Henry dropped the dreads for Braves. Twitter said he was like Omar on the wire fans are saying he lost all his fora we gonna see if he lost his fora come Sunday we are gonna see

I was just gonna say we gonna find out I highly doubt it because I don't think him running the ball and being as good as he is has anything to do with them dreads it might be a good as he is has anything to do with them dreads. It might be a good thing.

He might be lighter. Yeah. He ain't got to worry about nobody tackling. Because you know guys tag you because it used to be devil's appeal if you tackled somebody. Now the NFL says it's a part of the uniform. You got them helmet. It's part of the uniform you got them helmet it's part of the uniform you can pull it

yeah I know that's painful you running one way if somebody pull you oh lord hey hey you jump up

hey Ocho you jump up want to fight what you want me to do bro I grab your jersey I was trying to grab your jersey but I don't know how them guys I mean some of that stuff Ocho they hair covering you want me to do, bro? I grabbed your jersey. I was trying to grab your jersey.

But I don't know how them guys, I mean, some of that stuff, Ocho, they hair covering his name. You know, most of the time, I think it's a larger percentage of players with dreads that's covering their name that play on the defensive side of the ball. Yes, is it? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I like it. Remember that? I think somebody talked before. oh yeah I like I like it remember that I remember that he got an interception he got an interception picked up a fumble or something

and he pulled his hair I remember that Red Hood said Ocho Ocho you and Vic gotta retire from Madden just cause y'all

don't make y'all good time out time out listen for one I'm the best player in Madden in the world the problem is is the fact that I haven't been able to play Madden the way I used to because I got 57,000 goddamn jobs.

So I haven't been able to be on Madden as much as I like to, which is why you saw me lose tonight to Sketch. That's it. That's it. That's it. We'll get your ass up there. I haven't had the time. I haven't had the adequate time to put the time in like I used to.

I used to win the Madden Bowls. I used to win the Madden Bowls. That's how great I was. But the fact that the past five, six years, like I've been stacking job after job and I ain't really had time

to focus on gaming the way I used to. Okay, well, stay off it because you've been stacking L after L. Right, right. Just like you stack jobs, you stack L's now.

And because of my job, that is also, it has also ruined my romantic interests as well. You see? I've had a thing, I prayed on stuff like this. I prayed on opportunities like this

and just everything seemed to be falling by the wayside because God has given me what I prayed for. We play a lot of two tight ends, and I'm always, I'm always, I'm Y in 21 personnel, two backs, one tight end, two receivers. I'm always Y. Anytime we go to 12 personnel, I'm always a Tiger tight end. So, no matter who, if House came in and 12 personnel, I'm going to Tiger.

If Chalk Eye Chamberlain came in, I'm going to, I'm going, I'm going to the, the Tiger, I'm going to the, the Fly,

the Fly tight end, which is what we call Tiger. So, I remember looking at the sign, I'm standing in the huddle and I see, I see Chalk Eye Chamberlain coming into

the ballgame. So I go, I'm staying in my spot. I'm moving over. I'm going to the Tiger position in the huddle. He's like, nah, he's like he's like 84, you the why?

Who told him to do that? I'm like huh they did they sent the play in so they call 2J Ystick looking

which is the tight end you can break it out the tiger he can come across the guy's hey, you can break it out. I mean, the Y, the tiger, he can come across the guy's face or he can break it out. In other words, the Y, which is what I'm playing now, he wouldn't address it. Hold on.

I was hot. Yeah, I bet this is on the back end of your carrito. See? You see how they play you? It is. It is. Yeah, this is my... What year was this? This was... This was

1999. 1999. I'll never forget it, Ocho. And they... Right. I know you were hot. I played a game. I'm Seabin. Uh-huh. I told Kool who was the offensive coordinator at the time

cause he and I got a great relationship I said Kool do they ever pinch hit for Barry Bonds come on now do they ever pinch hit for Ken Griffey Jr I said have y'all ever sent somebody else in to do that bull job

and listen you already know what they're doing. I'll tell you all this time. People in the chat, listen to this real quick. Think about all the great receivers. Think about all the great receivers, even from my era, right? It's one thing that they always do. They always say at some point a player is losing a step or they're getting slow,

but you never ever see the part where the opportunities decrease to make it look like there's something wrong with you. Or they work you out the offense. They always find a way to work you out the offense and put you in positions that they never used to before. It'll never really be nothing really wrong with you, but they find a way to work

you out, and it's always small things like what you just said. If you talk to Julio Jones, you talk to A.J. Green, to the Andre Johnson, the Randy Mosses, even the Jerry Rices. At some point, it always comes to a time if there's nothing wrong with you, they find ways to decrease your opportunities that make it seem as if there's something wrong with you to justify, well, you know what, man, you're just not putting up the numbers you're used to. We think you might need to take a pay cut. It's so funny

how it works. Yeah, and so now a guy that they thought was losing, I go to Baltimore, I lead the team in receiving and I'm going to get to a Super Bowl. And then come back and I finished second.

I finished second behind Ron both here and catches and yards. Had eight touchdowns my final year. Over 70 yards. That's the dirty part of the business

that people really don't understand or see. They never see that part. They just hear the media, oh, he's lost a step. Oh, there's something wrong with him. Oh, he's not the same

player he used to be. Well, hell, of course. Oh, he's not the same player he used to be. Well, hell, of course, if I'm not getting the same opportunities I used to get when I was putting up with the goddamn numbers. Of course, there's something wrong with me. But I would have never, I would have never not gone into the game because I had built up too much credibility with my teammates. And they expect me to be the voice of reason. Even there've been times that I've like got on guys and I know things

weren't going their way. I can see it. Hell, everybody can see. But I say for me, I've always felt I needed to remain, have a level of professionalism. Now.

Pro. Yes, sir. P R O and professional are two different things. A professional is your job occupation. A pro is how you handle situations. So I wanted to be a professional and a pro because I always wanted to handle things the right way.

There was a time and a place. I had the conversation with Kool-Aid. Bro, man, you go way, I think, Kool-Aid, you go way back, bro. You was my quarterback for two years you helped me become the player that I became you was the buffer that when me and Mike wasn't seeing eye to eye was butting head you was the guy

like hey boss we gotta get a ball at 84 come on now yeah give me that grace you gotta give me that grace you know what you gotta understand though absolutely Kuviak even in that situation you know what you gotta understand though Kuviaq even in that situation you know his hands is tied now you know that's coming from a higher

power now that's the way that work that's the way that business work me and Mike used to butt heads and the thing was is that Mike thought money would motivate but when he realized it wasn't money that I was playing for.

My situation, and this is why I can empathize with Tom, because the thing that I wanted from Mike was what Tom wanted from Bill. Yes, sir. For what I've been able to do for you for a very long time. Yes. That's it. That's it. Money wasn't it.

Money wasn't it. Ocho, I never got, Ocho, I ain't even get no million dollar signing bonus. Right. And I was cool with that because I know what I was capable of doing. And I just,

I used to tell him, I said, Mike, you can't find a tight end. There's not a tight end that's currently playing that can do what I do. I don't care if he's an all pro. First of all,

he's not going to be an all pro as long as I'm in the league. I know you're just about to grab my pen and paper because I know you're about to give me something good. I'm getting ready. I'm just saying, Ocho. I'm just trying to figure out how you figure there's going to be a tight end.

First of all, the Pro Bowl and the AFC goes through me. Now, there might be some guys, because you already know at the start of the year from 93 to 92 to 99 when it came to the Pro Bowl I sure hope I can get that backup spot

who? what? it wasn't me to go to the AFC and me and Ben had it on lock now if you was nice to me and called me I would pull out and let you go. I would pull out of the Pro Bowl because you know somebody goes to my,

oh, what you pulling out of that? But I would do that. Yes, sir. Because it's going to look good on your resume. You got a contract coming up. Hey, Pro Bowl look good. Right. You try to get whatever the case may be.

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